Georgia Tech is a public university with roughly 40,000 total students. It's not a private school, nor does that seem like a "small" school, either. I keep hearing people refer to Georgia Tech as a private school - and that's simply not true. It's operated by the University System of Georgia, which is a state government agency.
Georgia Tech absolutely fits the Big Ten profile - a research powerhouse and elite academics with a prime location in the Atlanta TV market as a huge plus.
It's not the AAU that will be holding them back. If they still had a football brand and weren't a small private school they would be in a better position.
Syracuse is a Nasty town...Everyone is leaving there...I just adore six months of Winter...Nothing like it...Tell that to a recruit...That has Florida or another place on his radar currently....I Rest my Case...
@@chrisdenoon1691 That is why the carrier dome was originally a big recruiting tool (even if it is now a rotten old thing that needs a serious facelift and air-con). It was one of the only places in the north you could play outside the bitter cold in november if you were a northern recruit... and there are still a lot of those. That said, it's a hard sell these days. The NIL game is below par, the facilities investment isn't good, the city, like most cities in New York is just a rust belt hell hole in an expensive state (in this day of NIL, telling a recruit he's looking at paying state income tax is also not helping matters). I think you'll see this play out in Texas and Florida schools dominating out of state recruiting increasingly. Tennessee as well. Nevada and Washington are states to keep an eye on for this too...
As a BC alum is saddens me to see how BC has become the ugly sister nobody cares for. I’ve been a 25 year ticket holder for football and every year it’s the same thing (minus the Matt Ryan years) but that program has been under performing for years, they can’t get more than 1-2 4Star recruits. They get the kids who’s parents want their kids to get a good education rather than focus on a hot shot chance et the NFL or NBA. I’ve always thought BC if they can’t get to the Big X then they should go independent and just play the big schools 8-9x a season. They have enough clout to play big schools but they can’t compete in the recruiting game. No Florida or southeast kid wants to play in Boston in November for a throw away game after thanksgiving. BC football and basketball is a joke for too long. Every year I just kick myself when I renew my tickets.
Georgia Tech is a public institution and its undergrad population is the same size as UVA's. If FSU gets the AAU status some are predicting, coupling them with GT makes sense for a move to the Big Ten. Same thing with UVA and UNC (and Duke if they want a similar profile to Northwestern).
Obviously a SEC cuck wrote that wishlist because they had all the profitable ACC schools going to the SEC and the bottom feeders going to the B1G. They are probably hoping to lower the B1G's TV revenue so the SEC can catch up.
a) WASH & OREGON are separate geo outliers and are in a declining market for college football b) BC & CUSE are likely not of B1G interest c) UVA is a prestigious flag in a growing state with better overall athletic programs than O/W d) DUKE has specials and provides synergies with other ACC targets
@@tarheel7406 c) lol, no one cares about being lacrosse champions 10 times or whatever, if you think Virginia is more attractive from an athletic standpoint than UO/UW… you’re insane.
@@blazzedbunny3243 I believe that UVA has actually passed on a B1G informal invite in the past while OR/WASH have both been recently rejected. A UVA/UNC package is far more attractive than an OREGON/WASH package for a number of reasons. I suspect that WASH understands all of the factors involved while OREGON remains puzzeled.
I think the most likely outcome is the B1G invites UVA, UNC, and GT. All huge research and AAU schools. It will make a play for FSU but I think the SEC wins in that pick. The B1G will then add Miami instead. The SEC likely grabs Clemson and FSU. Not sure if it goes to 20 but NCST and VT get it into VA and NC markets. Louisville and Pitt will get picked up by the Big 12. I see 20 schools as the cap for a super league which means the Big 12 might have lots of options from the PAC or ACC.
Why stop at 20 each? That would be so close to enough to separate for a closed playoff. Moreover, the revenue/power gap would then be so vast that the then BIG12 would rapidly decline in relevance anyway.
Miami has the largest tv market in Florida plus there are tons of northern transplants living in S. Fla and Miami is also an AAU school. UM will get the B1G invite, FSU will not.
Fun to figure out, but likely not realistic. First likely scenario is BIG: Va/Unc. SEC: NCst/VTech. Clemson is one coach away from being irrelevant. So wildcard is FSU. Watch Spearatics and signs point to FSU differentiating itself from UF so possibly BIG with Miami...but who really knows
You don’t have to be a aau to be in the big ten. They’ve already come out and said it’s a plus but not a requirement. Big ten would get two of Clemson, unc, Florida state, or Miami.
For the Big 12 to me Pitt, Virginia Tech, NC State & Louisville make the most sense. Syracuse maybe, but no for Wake or BC. Pitt, VT and Syracuse are rivals of West Virginia.
Like they mentioned if it implodes not everyone will have a seat at the table, you could end up with a new look Big East sort of thing with Syracuse, BC, Wake and Duke. Those four don’t move the needle enough to get another power invite including Big 12.
@@danielbeck8000 if the Big12 wants to be the basketball powerhouse I’d prefer UConn over Gonzaga.. I prefer all members to have football and basketball programs..
Big 10: Georgia Tech, Florida State (after they get AAU), North Carolina, Virginia SEC: Miami (FL), Clemson, Virginia Tech, N. C. State Big XII: Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, Wake Forest or Duke.. or Big 10: Florida State (after AAU), North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech SEC: Clemson, Miami (FL), Virginia, N.C.State Big XII: Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Virginia Tech
The B1G will help FSU and Miami get AAU certified with access to their academic resources and influence. They probably wouldn't have to wait because they would be working on it as soon as they joined.
@@roris5882 The B1G has already been credibly claimed to be unethically hostile to AAU membership for southern schools, and FSU does less research than the recently expelled IWSTATE. So FSU and MIAMI will jump ahead of (e.g.) NCSTATE, VATECH & GEORGIA?
@@roris5882 The AAU isn't the Big Ten's little fiefdom. There are many schools in the AAU who outnumber the Big Ten schools. They aren't going to just vote FSU in so they can be part of the cool kids club. VT, NC State, and Arizona State are all closer to AAU status than FSU. If FSU gets into the Big Ten, it will be because of football, TV ratings, fan base and geography.
Miami is located in the deep south but the administration and student body is largely from the northeast US. As a fan I would like to see Miami in the SEC but it didn't happen in the past and doesn't look likely today.
UNC, Pitt, Duke, UVa, & Georgia Tech are AAU members (FSU is possible future member). Still think Big 10 will add at least 2 more western schools. Question is would current members want to go to 20 or 24 members?
If Syracuse has no AAU membership the Big 12 might be where they end up in a Rutgers-like move to steal some NY thunder. I can see BYs Brooklyn ties helping this. The Big 10 will have no interest in adding them. BC has similar problems but gets nowhere with the Big 12.
Any video that starts off with the Big 10 adding BC and Syracuse is AUTOMATICALLY turned off. That's total nonsense. The Big 10 already made added a vampire sucking school in Rutgers. The last thing it wants to do is added two more with BC and Syracuse.
B1G: BC, the northeastern schools SEC: UNC, NC State, FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, the Florida schools, the Carolina schools Big 12: WF, the Virginia schools Pittsburgh to B1G or Big 12 OR Duke and Syracuse could join the Ivy League.
ESPN has far too much control over this. If the Big10 tried to poach Clemson/FSU/UNC/Miami - ESPN would quickly redo the media rights deal with the ACC. Also - for teams to go to new conferences, they have to increase the total compensation enough that the existing schools get more money otherwise they will vote against it. As conferences have gotten bigger, this will be more difficult.
The B1G doesn't need to poach any school because those schools already want to join the B1G to make the most money possible for their sports AND academics. ESPN can't stop them from leaving because they will never be able to pay them as much as they will be making in the B1G. Especially after they aquire ND and the players start getting paid their fair share of the TV revenue they generate from their labor and health.
@@roris5882 Again, conference affiliation has no real impact on academic revenue other than perhaps a culture change. Since the B1G already looks for AAU, we can assume no impact.
It's like when the Big12 thought their conference was going to collapse after Texas and Oklahoma's plans to join the SEC leaked to the public. Kansas fans desperately wanted their school to join the B1G so they thought they could speak it into existence. All Big12 sports media would speak about was how the B1G was going to announce Kansas as a new member any day now. Basketball is cool and all but those people need therapy.
Think only way North Carolina is added to the Big 10 is have package with Duke and maybe NC State. UNC-DUKE basketball is huge and they probably don't want to split that old blue blood rivalry. Also, think at least 1 or both are accredited AAU in academic. Nebraska was I think until they just dropped from that mark but that's exception. I'm sure SEC is probably thinking exact same thing and NC State is a big wildcard if want to keep that "Tobacco Road" triangle rivalry. If SEC steals that triangle, that'll help basketball for that conference. If BIG gets it before SEC, just help solidify power in terms of basketball aspects. Plus, UNC-Maryland and Duke-Maryland rivalries could be reunited after what Maryland did in leaving ACC (which I think was an original member from recollection).
@@matthewsmith2241 UNC would be packed with UVA (not NCSTATE) with DUKE being a coattail effort. NCSTATE would prefer splitting and landing in the SEC. UVA, UNC & DUKE are about as AAU as one can get.
I doubt the B1G takes two small private schools like BC AND Duke. They may take 1 (duke), but not both. They may even consider UConn (good academies, P5 athletics, ESPN darlings). Clemson, FSU, UNC, UVA will join the SEC & B1G. The remaining ACC schools are still on the table for the B12...I like Miami, Ga Tech, Syracuse, Wake Forest; Louisville & Pitt (for the sakes of WVU and Cincy).
All I can see of value for the Big 12 is Pitt, Louisville, and possibly VTU to go with Cincy and WVU. NC State may be on the outside but doubtful. The rest will get scalped by the Big 10 and SEC. Where the small private Tobacco Road universities go is anyone's guess.
Big-10 isn't after almost any of those teams. UVA maybe. I'd suggest they'd want Pitt before BC or Syracuse... and still that would be pretty down the list for them. SEC isn't getting UNC over the big-10 if Duke and UVA are in the big-10 for sure. If you're thinking geography, for the conference that just took USC and UCLA, you're really just lost.
Duke doesn't add anything to the B1G's TV deal because they neglected their football program for decades and are going to pay a price for it. They are a basketball school just like Kansas and they probably aren't getting into the B1G.
@@tarheel7406 I think the dude just thought he should be "fair" and do the right thing for all these teams and what makes geographic sense... But yeah, insane to think UNC would choose the SEC (and I believe they will have a choice) over a big-10 with UVA, Duke... not to mention Maryland... and the academics etc. But I honestly think almost any administration would choose the big-10 over the SEC if they have the choice. Sure, many fanbases would want the SEC over the big-10 and there are other factors/intangibles that would make it a hard choice for several teams but for the most part Big-10 will be the desire of college administrators (i.e. the guys that are going to be making the choice).
@@benjaminhawkes6693 To be clear, I consider the SEC the better long-term move, and there are B1G fans that are adamant about predicting no DUKE. I'd rather UNC go to the SEC relatively alone than the B1G, the latter being my biggest concern. +DUKE isn't a requirement, but would help sate the fans/donors.
@@tarheel7406 Interesting, Why? I mean... the BB in the big-10 is better (SEC may have looked good before the tourney but they've now all washed out, Kentucky to a team that just lost to 9th seed FAU)... UNC, if they ever decide to compete in football seriously (which isn't to knock the fact Mack Brown has had some decent stints there), has an easier path, the big-10 sponsors more sports and UNC plays quite a few... Research and academics? I'm trying to think what is in the favor of the SEC. Sure there are some cultural fits, but they are few... (flagship, land grant, southern). There are few universities that could be considered in a similar strata with UNC in those cultural areas as well as being academically decent (UT, UF, UGA). There's geography... and the SEC appears unlikely to ever lose that by taking some far flung outlier. But what else do you see?
Miami is not getting into the SEC (over Florida's dead body) but Miami has the grades for the Big 10. I think what's best for the Big 10 is UNC, Virginia, Duke and Miami, The SEC would take FSU and Clemson which may be all. That leaves the Big 12 with four of the rest, likely Pitt, Virginia Tech, NC State and Georgia Tech.. I think after the FSU and Clemson, the next two they might take are Oklahoma State and Baylor.
a) The SEC likely takes VATECH and NCSTATE for two populated states than OKSTATE & BAYLOR b) Why wouldn't any ACC remainders rebuild as a Tier 2 ACC like the BIG12 has?
Academic schools have a B1G10 shot. FSU and Clemson have an SEC golden ticket. The other schools are up sh!t's creek without a paddle. They'll be AAC maybe the BIG12 might be interested in some for an Eastern division. Or to further strengthen the basketball. Maybe.
@@tarheel7406 I think OK State appeals to the Big 12 because of their rivalry with Oklahoma, among others. Baylor or TCU could also be targets as well as Kansas State. Maybe we're being provincial, but I don't see Virginia Tech or N.C. State as moving the needle.
@@orangehoof OKSTATE and the rest of the new BIG12 have been available since before the TX/OK news and likely remain so. There is no evidence of any SEC, B1G or even ACC interest in any of them. VATECH & NCSTATE would put the SEC in new Southeastern states, and both are better academic schools than any new BIG12 school.
I’m just trying to figure out and have always tried to figure out what the B10 conference is good at athletically their literally the worse Power 5 conference when it comes to championships they need to drop athletics and focus on academics to save the world or something and do gods work like their founding member university of Chicago. Basketball B12 rn, Baseball SEC, Soccer PAC-12, Track SEC, Swimming SEC, Football SEC , Volleyball PAC-12, Softball B12, Gymnastics SEC, Golf PAC-12 I’m lost can someone help me? I will give them Hockey, and Wrestling 2 regional sports to help anything else?
Based on top level success during the 4-team playoff era, the B1G was #3 among the P5s. It has a number of regular D-Cup competitors, just added USC/UCLA, and OHSTATE is likely to finally win that competition this year. The B1G sponsors the highest number of sports among the P5s, 1 more than the ACC. The SEC is last on that measure. Per current D-Cup standings, the ACC leads all conferences.
The boss SEC move would be UVA, UNC, DUKE, FSU, which are the top 4 overall ACC athletic programs and blocks an effective B1G expansion south. Not a prediction though. The boss B1G move is UNC, UNC, DUKE, GATECH, FSU & ND.
@@elliottcrews4997 I think you're underestimating the appeal of DUKE. It's the closest overall P5 peer to STANFORD, helps secure UVA/UNC, and provides massive brand exposure outside of football.
I'm not sure other conferences would be interested in every school from the ACC. The ACC might need to look at poaching from the American or the Sun Belt.
Nothing stops Notre Dame from just going back to the big east except for the slight difficulty of making a full football schedule... but when you're Notre Dame that's not an impossibility in any case. The big 10 for them is a major swallowing of pride, not just for losing their independence but also for joining a conference that was hostile to their membership proposal twice in the old days. But being independent made them, giving it up would push them into obscurity like Nebraska. They would need to give up their academic restrictions on athletes or they would just be buried in the big-10 losing 4-5 games a year. I know the big-10 salivates at the idea of Notre Dame but they'll be doing everything they possibly can to avoid it, while every other team out there would kill to join (probably even a couple SEC teams if they had to be honest). Why would you fap after someone that doesn't want you?
Not necessarily. The B1G/SEC would have to consolidate enough to separate and have a closed playoff. If only 20 each, ND could just keep its ACC association.
I'll have fun and play along on the wild speculation of Conference Realignment... ( I'll guess 3 conferences of 20 and best of the rest APAC) B1G- Oregon, Washington, UVA, UNC SEC- FSU, Clemson, VT, NC State Big 12- Miami, Pitt, Louisville, Memphis, Colorado, Utah, AZ, AZ State APAC- rest of ACC & PAC... can add the likes of UConn, Tulane, SD State, SMU, UNLV, Georgetown, Gonzaga and others depending on how creative they want to be. Notre Dame- Independent w/ APAC tie in, or B1G if they want to join a conference.
@@tarheel7406 most of the leftover ACC teams would join up with leftover PAC teams and add some FCS teams(expand the footprint). Main ones joining Big 12 would be good fits and add back rivals... my updated uneducated guess would now have Miami and Notre Dame in B1G.
@@MrMac232003 a) An ACC/PAC merger only if the PAC doesn't scatter first, the logistics work, and all agree. No reason for the ultimate remainders to merge if there will be three Tier 2s. b) ND is unlikely to join a 20-team B1G.
@@tarheel7406 A) ACC/PAC conference would pretty much be a tier 4 conference but would have good value in massive footprint and could be a good basketball conference, it keeps teams from having to join an FCS conference... I guess the big question nowadays is how many teams do the main 3 Conference want 20, 22, 24?... and in 5 to 6 years how much will that change? 🤔 B) With B1G looking to eliminate non-conference P5 requirements, it's hard to see a scenario where Notre Dame can remain an independent and get a valuable schedule for what they want in a Media deal... why would the likes of USC, Ohio State, Michigan keep scheduling them for a non-con game, when they could be making more if it was a conference game.
@@MrMac232003 You don't get it. Look at your original post and scatter prediction. An ACC that "only" loses" 6 teams just adds UCONN +1. They don't join the last resort BIG12. It makes no sense to do so. a) There will eventually be no P3 only a P2 b) Some large national hodgepodge wouldn't have the gravity to not splinter. Why kill off the eastern Tier 2 just to recreate later. c) Unless the P2 consolidate enough to separate and close a playoff, ND will have playoff access d) ND doesn't need to play B1G teams for a good schedule There is no feasible path for the BIG12 to be the #3 in a P3 world. None.
Didn't GT leave the SEC? If so, why would they go back? I thought FL did not want FSU and/or Miami in the SEC? Also, SEC doesn't want schools in NFL cities, so no Miami. I could see VT and NC State to the SEC. BC is not an AAU school. Not sure they make the cut for the B1G. I could see GT, UNC to the B1G.
Florida would be able to block FSU about as well as South Carolina would be able to block Clemson; or as well as A&M blocked Texas. And I don't know if FSU wants anything to do with the SEC. They may prefer the B1G.
@@devilfrawg4953 But why would those ACC schools go to the SEC when they can make more money for sports AND academics in the B1G and pay off their buyout fee, if there is one, quicker while making more money quicker?
@@roris5882 Again, conference affiliation has no real impact on academic revenue other than perhaps a culture change. Since the B1G already looks for AAU, we can assume no impact.
GT left the SEC because of Bama. GT tried a few times to go back to the SEC. Ask many GT fans and they will tell you that leaving the SEC was a big mistake. Did you know that Bama and GT had a very heated rivalry? GT also had a big rivalry with Auburn. On the week that Auburn played GT, Auburn would have a Wreck Tech Parade. GT never had the numbers in their stadium as it had in the SEC. GT would love to be back in the SEC and FSU had their chance but Daddy Bowden did not want to play Auburn and Bama during the same season and he openly stated that the SEC was too competitive. He preferred the easier conference which was the ACC. The SEC last month came out and said that they would never take Miami because Miami didn't fit what they were looking for.
For the B1G, it would probably be : UNC, UVA, FSU, GT, Duke. No interest in Syracuse, BC, etc. The OP just wants to do it by region, which completely overlooks that these schools are simply undesirable & can not generate the revenue needed to join the B1G. More likely the B1G takes 1 of the Florida schools & SEC takes Louisville or NC State.
@@gagejernigan5277 At some point, there is no need to take multiple teams in the same state. It dilutes the brand & doesn't bring new eyeballs in, so the TV networks would pay them less.
The ACC would have to heavily deplete (7+ teams) and the remainders have no viable rebuild option before any go to the new BIG12. Instead of keeping any slots open for eastern expansion, the BIG12 should focus west and plan on losing its existing eastern members as part of a relatively amicable Tier 2 realignment.
B1G gets UNC, Duke, FSU, Pitt, and ND Deal SEC gets Clemson, Miami, and whoever else they want. I think UNC and Duke stay together and generally project as B1G schools more than SEC. I don't think FSU wants the SEC schedule, but I could see them being SEC just as easily, Pitt just makes sense with PSU, and ND has been linked to B1G forever.
I suspect that NCSTATE would prefer splitting from UNC in this manner. That's really the catch that UNC faces. It can go B1G which likely yields another nuke vote, but that also likely means that NCSTATE gets the better SEC football matchups and recruiting advantages. It can go SEC, but that likely requires successfully litigating the GOR and possibly political complications since NCSTATE would be left in a Tier 2.
UNC is the furthest thing from an SEC fit and I'm really confused about how little value you guys consider Duke to have. Obviously football is the big moneymaker but you can't just disregard the value that Duke basketball brings. Duke is the Notre Dame/New York Yankees/Los Angeles Lakers of college basketball. They will undoubtedly have an offer from the Big Ten (along with UNC) as soon as they have that opportunity. I think the SEC would have their pick of the litter and they would obviously go with Florida State and Clemson. If they expand two more schools, you're probably looking at Georgia Tech and Virginia Tech if they do decide to expand further (and I don't necessarily think that they will). I think that would open the Big 12 up to taking both of those, as well as Louisville and Potentially Pittsburgh. I don't think any of these schools do enough for the Big Ten or SEC, but they do raise the floor on the Big 12. I think Wake, Boston College and Syracuse may end up lost in the fold, although don't undersell the draw that Syracuse has. They may very well end up in the Big Ten as well. That really just leaves NC State and Miami who are middling fits just about everywhere. Maybe NC State gets a Big 12 Offer instead of Pittsburgh. Maybe Miami gets an SEC offer instead of Virginia Tech, although Miami doesn't seem like a great fit in the SEC. Hell, maybe Miami ends up in the Big Ten too. If they expand to 20+ institutions, you might see the SEC keep cruising to 20+ as well. Either way, I think every school finds an FBS home aside from maybe BC, Wake and Syracuse.
The Pac-12 the ACC join each other get a better TV deal that will help Florida State and Clemson in Oregon and Colorado that's the best option just imagine the TV ratings you would get Colorado versus Florida State Primetime in my coach Mike Norvell that's the best option and the TV deal would definitely get somewhere close to the SEC in the Big Ten
a) I keep reading PITT fans say B1G or bust, but no one will explain what "bust" means in context b) DUKE will be like CAL/STANFORD and will not go BIG12
B10 - UNC, Duke, VA, Ga Tech. If FSU gains AAU status then they go B10 also else SEC. ND goes B10 when ACC collapses. SEC - Va Tech, NC State, Miami, Clemson. B12 - Pitt, Louisville. Left out Syracuse, Wake Forest, Boston College.
Not happening the SEC will just let the B10 absorb 24 teams and fail then expand that big the SEC doesn’t even need to expand the B10 does cuz they never win any championships in any sports and if any SE or south teams joined the B10 their athletics programs would die due to the players in the region not wanting to play there and going to the closest SEC school to them
The ACC conference was formed by teams that were formally in the southern conference together with the SEC teams so a lot of the kids growing up there and family want to join the SEC for regional familiarity/rival purposes no kids in Florida wanna go up north for no reason
You have no clue what you’re talking about. Georgia Tech has 40k students they are not like Wake Forest at all. UNC has already had discussions with the SEC so they’re much more likely to join them because of location. No one in NC wants to play Illinois and Wisconsin every year.
Here's my take on how the B1G would look at the ACC schools. The B1G has a preference for AAU schools. In the case of the ACC that would be North Carolina, Virginia, Pitt, Georgia Tech, and Duke. Secondly, the deal has to be additive--each B1G school has to see an increase in their share of the revenue. If I were the B1G commissioner charged with taking the conference nationwide, I would be looking REALLY HARD at Florida, in particular FSU. The president of FSU was formerly the Vice Provost of Harvard. The guy didn't take the job because of the weather. The FSU AD is Kevin Warren's BFF. Something is happening in Tallahassee. I would also look at Miami, North Carolina, Virginia, and Georgia Tech. (Georgia Tech is in the nation's #5 media market.) I don't have the media market numbers. I don't know if it is possible for any of these schools to pass the "additive test." IMO, the ACC schools are going to be in play much sooner than 2036. It takes eight votes to dissolve the ACC and blowup that ugly Grant of Rights. Let's do a little math, B1G=2, SEC=2, Big 12, which has nationwide aspirations, equals 4. What do you get when you add up those numbers?
The B1G would take FSU, Miami, UNC, and ND or nobody else because they don't add any revenue to their TV deal. If the 4 schools that leave for the B1G and SEC pay the 4 other ACC leftovers to go to the Big12 then they can easily get to their 8 members to blow it up. It would only cost the 4 new B1G and SEC members $6M a year to cover the difference for the 4 leftovers. Plus the 4 leftovers would have the stability of the Big12 while the ACC no longer exists.
@@roris5882 You keep repeating "FSU, Miami, UNC, and ND or nobody else". There's a very good chance that the SEC counter with UVA, UNC, DUKE and FSU which has a very good chance of success. Since ND is unlikely to join a 20-team B1G since the playoffs are likely to remain open, that leaves you with just MIAMI +?
As a big ten fan all my life i DON'T WANT DUKE ive watched a handful of videos about this one claimed a big ten insider claimed theyre interested in VA & VT possibly moreso than OR & WA not sure how true that is its too early to tell gotta a long way to go it seems i saw a comment that said Louisville has joined the 7 other schools
I would love to see FSU in Big10.... Love to have Rivalry games against Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State... However i would love to see SEC.... Bama, Auburn, UGA, Texas, Oklahoma, and UF
Reports of the death of the ACC have been greatly exaggerated. Sure we might lose FSU and Clemson in 7 or 8 years. But that doesn't mean the ACC dies. They could easily hold tight and remain the 3rd conference behind the Power 2. I think it's more likely that the B12 folds than the ACC. And for the record Wake academics are extremely high as are GTs. But they are very different schools with different missions. One isn't academically better than the other.
Syracuse and BC don’t stand a chance in joining the B1G. 4 of these teams to the Big Ten, no one else: UNC, Virginia, Duke, FSU, GTech, or Miami. 1 team that will inevitably join the B1G: 🍀
This has been my position for over a year: Core: UVA, UNC & FSU (alternate MIAMI) Top Filler: GATECH and/or DUKE Optional: Other Florida school The larger the ACC bloc, the greater the synergies captured between themselves and with MD. The SEC and B1G may pause at 20 after an ACC scatter, but it's not really practical to stay there. The revenue/power gap with the then Tier 2 BIG12, ACC and/or PAC will be too wide. The then P2 will top off to ~24 each for separation and closed playoff that can maintain national interest and legitimacy. That's when ND will be forced into the B1G.
@@tarheel7406 That scenario is definitely possible. It’s no longer “if” Notre Dame will join the B1G, it’s “when.” By the way, I am pulling for UNC to the B1G. I think they would make a fantastic addition.
@@briggsofdisaster Well, the ACC ain't dead as a peer yet, so it's not yet "when". I've said since Day 1 that ND must join the ACC today or the B1G tomorrow, My biggest concern is that UNC will join the B1G without a sufficient ACC rival bloc. MD is a cautionary tale. I've encountered a number of B1G fans who hate me for saying it, but without that rival bloc, UNC's football ambitions would be killed over time.
BC would be good for the big10, small private school but the Boston market is large and loyal. Best football in the whole state likely since Harvard is FCS and UMass sucks eggs. Clemson for sure SEC, same with FSU, Miami, and VT. Virgins Tech does better ratings than Virginia and would be a natural fit with teams like Kentucky, Tennessee, etc. UNC, Duke, Virginia, and Pitt to the big10 all makes sense. Academics are all good, just depends on which ones they want. Syracuse is kinda dead in the water, only real option would be AAC or Big12, probably Big12 though if they can. WF, Louisville, and NC State all go to Big12 as well. Notre dame would probably join the big10 full time if the ACC goes the way of the typewriter. And GT either joins Big12 or goes independent. Most of what I said is based of ratings/ markets since those are the main factors in all of this realignment
I don't seriously see UND ending up in any conference, they have a nationwide fanbase and can sustain Independence. They have real problems with joining the Big 10. I doubt if the Big 12 gets very interested in Wake either. Pitt has a huge rivalry with West Virginia and I can see them in the Big 12, They used to have another huge rival in Penn State but since PSU went to the Big 10, that has cooled a bit. Pitt will do our academics some good. Louisville and Cincy are close together and are rivals. Syracuse might be a good bet.
a) The B1G took RUT over BC and PITT. Too many better options. b) Doubt any P2 takes both FSU and MIAMI. c) No ACC remainder goes to the BIG12 unless no other viable option.
Time to pivot..college basketball is Huge..how about: NC-Duke-Louisville to Big12 to join Kansas and make a Basketball Super conference...they'd rule the sport..and make tv negotiations on this basis..
B10 = Clemson, FSU, Miami. Also maybe UVA and UNC. They are the only teams that expands the blueprint and bring close to equal value to the table. SEC=Maybe UNC if no Big10 invite. B12= NCSU, Pitt, Syracuse, V Tech, GA Tech, Louisville and maybe BC. I can see Duke in the Big East and FB will be Independent. Wake goes to C-USA or AAC.
B1G might be interested in GTech AAU member and is in Atlanta...It's all about cable subscribers for the B1G. That's why Rutgers is in. Also, I'm not sure they would take both schools from Florida, but I wouldn't be opposed to that.
I really think FOX would be driving for Florida too. And Georgia as well. GT has a lot of value (more than Rutgers, and more success historically) and has the benefit of being a historic rival of Notre Dame. UNC also makes a lot of sense, the big-10 can grab the flagship of a state that really does take football seriously and is fast growing. Clemson gets you some football cred that the big-10 really needs. Miami grabs you a good market and the best, pound for pound, recruiting region in the country as well as pretty decent TV ratings. Duke and Pitt (another major ND rival) are massive research giants (as well as GT and UNC).
Who knows? Maybe Clemson will want to get AAU certified like FSU and Miami so they can make Billions from academics and research so they don't have to depend on the Millions they make from football to fund their school like many of the SEC teams do.
Hate to be the one to break it to you, but the SEC has reached the highest level of Research 1 status possible and is only one of four conferences to have such designation. PAC, B1G, Ivy League and the SEC. That’s the four conferences that have all their members in that designation. The SEC with its 14 members does over 5 billion in research per year. It hardly has to depend on its football to fund their schools. UGA did over 545 million in research in 2022. Oh, those two schools coming in, OU and UTx. They do over a billion between the two of them. I know the B1G homers expound on their academics and research dollars. Great for them but please don’t believe everything you see on these you tube posts. Their biased to whichever conference affiliation they belong to. The academics in the SEC are great and none of the Universities in the SEC depend on football to fund their schools. It’s really easy to do a little research for ourselves to see how well these universities do academically, financially and of course we get to watch their success or failure on the field every year. There aren’t any universities at the Power 5 or Group of 5 level that have to depend on football or athletics to fund their schools. Football does fund athletic departments but it’s completely separate from the university funding its academic and operational budgets.
UNC is undoubtedly Big X, just like Virginia. Syracuse, BC, and Duke are in an odd spot. They don't really fit with the Big X, but aren't SEC material either. The SEC could absolutely take Clemson and FSU, but the others aren't a natural fit at all. Would we really take THAT many ACC schools? Pitt and Louisville are natural Big XII fits. Wake, Miami, GT and maybe NC State. There really should be a Big East.
"UNC is undoubtedly Big X, just like Virginia." Likely, but not undoubtedly. DUKE fits the B1G as much as STANFORD would. "The SEC could absolutely take Clemson and FSU, but the others aren't a natural fit at all. " VATECH and NCSTATE are SEC type schools except not being flagships. Of course neither are CLEMSON and FSU. "Pitt and Louisville are natural Big XII fits. Wake, Miami, GT and maybe NC State." Only L'VILLE is a natural new BIG12 type due to geo and academic standing. The rest would likely not want the academic downgrade.
UVA, UNC, GT and Miami go B1G. FSU, Clemson, Duke, and Wake go to SEC. Duke and Wake get huge support from Kentucky, Tennessee, and Vandy wanting to prop up basketball 🏀. Louisville, Pitt, VT, NcState, Syracuse, and BC go to B12 fills in their East Division.
a) If DUKE isn't coattai;ed with UNC, the other P2 won't take and DUKE won't go BIG12 b) WAKE over NCSTATE for the SEC's desired North Carolina team? c) Why would the 6 ACC remainders join a hodgepodge Tier 2 BIG12 over rebuilding a regional new Tier 2 ACC?
Sorry Folks, if the SEC were to ever expand again, it would only be with UNC, Clemson, FSU and UVA. It would be a package deal or nothing. Otherwise the SEC just stays at 16 teams. They aren’t bringing in schools just to bring in schools. Listen to what the SEC has been saying the past 3 years.The current SEC team payouts will not shrink or be cut by adding otherwise they won’t expand. It’s fun to speculate and plug in all these teams as fans but there is no reason whatsoever other than the 4 schools that move the needle. The B1G can grow to be 50 strong if that’s their want. The SEC doesn’t follow along. It is quite happy with the 16 teams they currently have going forward. As a few SEC presidents and AD’s have said recently, why add? We have the best product. That’s straight talk and it’s their strength. Nothing against all these other schools. Fine institutions of learning and good athletic universities but the SEC is fixed in its positioning going forward. It’s 16 teams. If the block of four from the ACC come calling later on, the SEC will listen and ESPN will decide if they are willing to pay full share payouts to add them into the SEC media deal.
@@tarheel7406 The SEC can stay at 16 forever if they don't get the ones they desire. No big deal, they will always be better than the B1G in football, baseball and now probably at basketball also unless the B1G raids four from the ACC that are good at basketball.
@@craigkirsch6750 it's nonsense to say the SEC will "always" be better in football. These things are cyclical. Just because that may be how it is now, doesn't mean that's how it will be forever.
The general consensus is that the B1G has no interest in PITT, but I'll play along. UVA and UNC are likely packaged. and neither the B1G nor SEC takes DUKE sans UNC. So that leaves you with CUSE, BC & PITT. If the goal is 20 and ND doesn't join a 20 team B1G, what is the +!?
I actually wonder if the SEC would take Clemson or any other team in Florida. Historically whenever the SEC expanded they either took a state's flagship school like when they got Texas or they moved into a new state. They have never taken a new school in a state that they already have a team unless it is the State's flagship school. So if they follow Historical pattern, Clemson, FSU, Miami are all out. So the SEC would go after North Carolina (maybe Duke if North Carolina demanded wherever they went Duke goes as well they are rivals) and a Virginia school. Throw in that taking Clemson and FSU would upset South Carolina and Florida those teams may be left out in the cold or go to the Big10
It's who can help generate revenue by getting eyeballs on the screen. Those eyeballs also see commercials - advertisement bought from the network broadcasting the game. Clemson would bring those eyeballs.
UNC is a flagship school when the SEC has no presence. I think UNC would prefer to go B1G for money and prestige. If the SEC wants presence in North Carolina it's best option is NC State and not Duke. Duke is destined for the Big East or A10.
@@George-Kliavkoff4Big12 Duke is likely going to go where ever North Carolina goes, those two are tied to the hip rivals in Basketball and I could see North Carolina demanding whoever takes them takes Duke as well. If that happens it will be up to the Big10 or SEC to decide if having North Carolina is worth dealing with Duke as well. If North Carolina doesn't demand that Duke goes with them then yes they are likely heading to Big East or A10.
UNC already had discussions with the SEC. They are in the Southeast in a state the SEC will want to expand in. They have natural borders with several prominent SEC teams, and they will not join the Big 10 to have to travel that far north that often. They are a more traditional southern style university and that fits better in the SEC, plus the recruiting would be a lot better if they could market games with southern teams to their recruits, which would work better in the SEC
Teams getting left out: BC, Cuse, Wake, Duke. They are going to the island of misfit toys. All other schools will find destinations in the Big10, SEC, or Big12.
When I go over to the PAC boards, they have 4 PAC teams locked to the B1G in 2026. When I come to the ACC boards, they got 6 to 8 ACC teams locked to the B1G when the GOR is busted. I also see a lot of Kansas to the B1G and Notre Dame to the B1G. 14 teams to the B1G plus their 16 current number puts them just 2 shy of the NFL number of teams. Oh I forgot, A&M and Mizzou are leaving the SEC according to everyone outside of the SEC. That’s 32!!! Wow! Congrats!
All the most profitable SEC teams might as well just join the B1G or the D1 College Football League. They will probably even make the SEC Commissioner their new Commissioner.
@@roris5882that would be every team in the SEC. They are all very profitable. High endowments, high R-1 research universities with great academics and of course we already know they are all profitable in athletics.
Sorry TarHeel, no where in my statement did I mention or say that it was to some standard nor did I mention P-5 so you took it out of context. Just stating facts as it truly is. You can get a great degree from any of the SEC universities. If you say you can’t, you’re either a liar or an idiot, either way it’s on you. As far as endowments, the National Association of College and University Business Officers (NACUBO) reported that 1 billion plus endowments are high. If you want to refute their claim, don’t let me stand in your way. I don’t care either way. I never claimed the SEC is better at academics than anyone else nor have I ever claimed that the SEC has the highest endowments. I said they have great academics and high endowments, all of which is factual and true. For fun I googled the P-5 academic standard you mentioned. It took me to the Pre-school through 5th grade education curriculum standardized testing requirements. Couldn’t find a P-5 University academic standard anywhere on the net. Is that a thing? Source?
Nope... B1G invites UNC, FSU and Miami only. Other schools can't generate the level of money (same problem with Oregon and Washington). GT would make a good candidate but just not in this round. It's predicated on TV money and as what I understand ESPN (Disney) is firing a lot of people. SEC: Clemson and NC State (rabid fan base culturally fits the SEC). Maybe VT (VT only 200 miles away from Knoxville and 300 miles away from Lexington). State of Kentucky already has flagship school. Sorry, but Louisville isn't a Texas so UL is out Big 12: Pitt, Louisville, NC State (if available). But Yormark is an East Coast guy (New York), so I can see Big 12 going after Syracuse, then nab UConn for a nice little East Coast pod (UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, and WVU). Don't forget Aresco and the AAC: BC, WF, GT Independent: Duke. What I see is that these superconferences are can't get any larger than proposed. They won't be able support their own weight. Tread lightly bc TV rights money is drying up.
The ACC is facing a reckoning: either pay your top brands more or they may reach critical mass to break the grant of rights. Either way, lasting until the current expiration of the grant of rights is doubtful because they are locked too long while the media landscape is evolving much faster. I doubt BC would make it into the B1G - they would not bring in enough revenue. Boston likes their pro teams. Also, UNC with Duke is a better fit in the B1G than SEC. Georgia Tech more likely in the Big XII because SEC already has the Georgia market with the University of Georgia. Why have competing teams in the state? Thus, here is another possible scenario if the ACC goes belly up: B1G: Duke, UNC, Syracuse, and Virginia (all top academic brands) SEC: Clemson and FSU (Florida and FSU would likely not want Miami and UCF in their league) Big XII: Louisville, Pitt, Miami, and Georgia Tech Wake Forest, Boston College, Virginia Tech, and NC State may have lower revenue potential and thus would be the most at risk of not landing well. Sadly, if the ACC does collapse and these conferences add the teams, then we will enter the era of the Super Conferences that are driven by money and may contract with the NFL to supplement player development, NIL, and insurance expenses.
V-Tech and NC State are excellent schools with great fan support and the B12 would be VERY fortunate to have a shot having them join. Likely not available for B12 though.
@@peters822 They could always be incentivised to agree to vote to blow up the ACC to move to the Big12 if they are paid the difference of what they would lose making the move by the former ACC schools that go to Super 2 Conferences to make more. The ACC leftovers may not even lose money if the TV networks agree to pay the Big12 a little more for aquiring P-5 schools. But if they do have to get paid the difference to make the move it's only a couple Million a year for each school. So that would be a lot cheaper then buying themselves out of the ACC if the conference still exists. They need to get to their majority of 8 or more members to agree to blow it up. If 6 of them get Super 2 Conferences invites then they could all share the low buyout cost for 2 leftovers. They should just ask the Big12 which ACC schools they want the most. FSU, Miami, UNC, ND, Clemson, and maybe VT, UVA, Louisville, or NC St could probably get into the Super 2 now.
@@peters822 I think it would be great if these schools join the Big XII. Just hard to know how this would shape up with so much emphasis on TV audiences and revenue. I hope the ACC stays together but unlikely if the revenue divide keeps getting bigger between the Big 10 & SEC and then everyone else.
No, no, no. Complete phase 2 with the 4corners then proceed with phase 3 in raiding the ACC with the Big10 and the SEC. Take Virginia Tech, Miami, Syracuse, and Pitt. Game!
@@tarheel7406 FSU is close to AAU, maybe b1g helps them across the line. FSU is not going to big 12, Fla doesn’t want them in sec and fsu hates the sec for keeping them out before. very bad blood. Duke is elite academics even if not AAU with good research revenue. Plus they are good partner and rival with unc and both boost basketball do i think this is likely? no, but it was a dream sheet of what would happen if acc dies. the only way this happens is if 8 teams get a promised landing spot and vote away GoR b1g gets new footprint in 3 states with fsu bring prize sec gets 2 new states and stays geographically aligned and adds 2 name brands in current states (clemson and miami) big 12 gets best of rest and gives cincy and wvu travel help
Penn St and OSU would not allow it because that's invading their regional footprint. They want to expand their regional footprint 8nto other parts of the country like the South because that's where the best and most recruits come from which would benefit the conference greatly.
@@jesskelley4726 Maryland got in because they are in the DC TV market. The B1G already controls the PA market where Pitt is located because Penn St is the flagship school in PA.
B1G - Clemson, GT, FSU, & Miami Gets into the South. SEC - UNC, UVA, VTech, Pitt footprint in NC & VA. B12 - Louisville, NCSt., Cuse The rest end up with Big East football teams. BC, WF, Duke,
I see VT in Big 10. They have the style of play for Big 10. I could see Pitt, Syracuse, and or BC as well. SEC is on point with that list. FS, Clemson, and Miami. Maybe even UNC in SEC as well. Not so sure about the rest.
@Roris I don't see them fitting in the 10. Not at all. Well.. maybe ND. But, I see the rest as SEC, if anything. In my opinion, VT hired Brent Pry for that reason. They may go to the 10 if this realignment occurs. Plus, Penn State recruited and still recruits HEAVY from VA. especially in the Joe Pa days.
@@tarbarian1879 The B1G is a national conference now and they make more money then the SEC in sports AND academics. So if they are interested in making the most money possible while playing in a national conference on 3 major TV networks then they are a fit.
@Roris @Roris I look at it differently. I factor in weather and environment. Why would those schools you say fit the 10 go to a cold weather environment and risk losing games in those environments and conditions? Talking FSU nad Miami. Especially in away games which play into the hands of those that are used to such conditions. Look at Bama and such. Put them in the cold. I bet they'd struggle in a cold weather environment. It's like army and marines. The army handles ALL weather environments for the most part. Marines deal in warm to desert conditions as their mission set. Which is why they stay lean and look fit. SEC stays in the heat. Put them in the cold! Then....ill be impressed. And I'm not buying into that money and academic crap. Money can be made and lost. Academic standards can be adjusted.
Duke unc. Virginia aau members unc want duke. It a package deal like usc and ucla. Stanford California Oregon Washington Arizona Utah Colorado are aau. Members Arizona state Washington state Oregon state non aau members. Norte dame unc. Duke. Virginia. Oregon Washington Stanford California or Utah in big ten.
The ACC is locked into the worst Power5 football deal, and they're locked until 2036. No one is coming for them to buy anyone out, unless it's Clemson and Florida State. But the buyout fees would offset the value and break the deal.
Georgia Tech is a public university with roughly 40,000 total students. It's not a private school, nor does that seem like a "small" school, either. I keep hearing people refer to Georgia Tech as a private school - and that's simply not true. It's operated by the University System of Georgia, which is a state government agency.
Exactly this guy has no clue what he’s talking about
Georgia Tech absolutely fits the Big Ten profile - a research powerhouse and elite academics with a prime location in the Atlanta TV market as a huge plus.
Syracuse was kicked out of the AAU - no shot at the Big Ten. Boston College doesn't fit the Big Ten profile.
Technically Syracuse left the AAU but semantics.
It's not the AAU that will be holding them back. If they still had a football brand and weren't a small private school they would be in a better position.
Syracuse is a Nasty town...Everyone is leaving there...I just adore six months of Winter...Nothing like it...Tell that to a recruit...That has Florida or another place on his radar currently....I Rest my Case...
@@chrisdenoon1691 That is why the carrier dome was originally a big recruiting tool (even if it is now a rotten old thing that needs a serious facelift and air-con). It was one of the only places in the north you could play outside the bitter cold in november if you were a northern recruit... and there are still a lot of those. That said, it's a hard sell these days. The NIL game is below par, the facilities investment isn't good, the city, like most cities in New York is just a rust belt hell hole in an expensive state (in this day of NIL, telling a recruit he's looking at paying state income tax is also not helping matters). I think you'll see this play out in Texas and Florida schools dominating out of state recruiting increasingly. Tennessee as well. Nevada and Washington are states to keep an eye on for this too...
As a BC alum is saddens me to see how BC has become the ugly sister nobody cares for. I’ve been a 25 year ticket holder for football and every year it’s the same thing (minus the Matt Ryan years) but that program has been under performing for years, they can’t get more than 1-2 4Star recruits. They get the kids who’s parents want their kids to get a good education rather than focus on a hot shot chance et the NFL or NBA. I’ve always thought BC if they can’t get to the Big X then they should go independent and just play the big schools 8-9x a season. They have enough clout to play big schools but they can’t compete in the recruiting game. No Florida or southeast kid wants to play in Boston in November for a throw away game after thanksgiving. BC football and basketball is a joke for too long. Every year I just kick myself when I renew my tickets.
Georgia Tech is a public institution and its undergrad population is the same size as UVA's. If FSU gets the AAU status some are predicting, coupling them with GT makes sense for a move to the Big Ten. Same thing with UVA and UNC (and Duke if they want a similar profile to Northwestern).
Is the Big 10 just going to have 24+ teams? Who would even be left for the SEC?
Can't see FSU getting AAU status before the ACC situation gets resolved (if ever).
FSU wants the SEC not the bum big 10
All of these southeastern teams are not joining the Big 10 to have to play teams they’ve barely got a history with every single year.
@@gagejernigan5277 Hence the rival bloc.
I still think the BIG12 would be a great fit for Miami as a travel partner w/ UCF
It might, but no one is breaking the ACC GOR anytime soon.
Lmao I love it. To see Miami officially be second tier would be awesome and fitting.
Miami will go independent before joining the Big-12
BC & Wake = WSU & Oregon state
Syracuse too
Duke, Wake forest, and Boston College would fit good in the A10 or AAC.
I definitely think BC and Wake would be good AAC schools along with Vanderbilt
I don't know that the AAC would want these.... And Duke might consider doing what UCONN did.
Or some schools just might be stuck going down to the G5 or being independent
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Really depends on how many ACC teams go SEC/B1G. If enough remainders, the ACC is likely to rebuild as a Tier 2 just like the BIG12.
If Washington and Oregon don't bring enough revenue to add for the B1G, why would Syracuse, BC, Duke and Virginia bring enough?
This whole thing is a joke. The idea that the B1G would want BC and Syracuse? 😂😂😂
Obviously a SEC cuck wrote that wishlist because they had all the profitable ACC schools going to the SEC and the bottom feeders going to the B1G. They are probably hoping to lower the B1G's TV revenue so the SEC can catch up.
a) WASH & OREGON are separate geo outliers and are in a declining market for college football
b) BC & CUSE are likely not of B1G interest
c) UVA is a prestigious flag in a growing state with better overall athletic programs than O/W
d) DUKE has specials and provides synergies with other ACC targets
@@tarheel7406 c) lol, no one cares about being lacrosse champions 10 times or whatever, if you think Virginia is more attractive from an athletic standpoint than UO/UW… you’re insane.
@@blazzedbunny3243 I believe that UVA has actually passed on a B1G informal invite in the past while OR/WASH have both been recently rejected. A UVA/UNC package is far more attractive than an OREGON/WASH package for a number of reasons.
I suspect that WASH understands all of the factors involved while OREGON remains puzzeled.
I think the most likely outcome is the B1G invites UVA, UNC, and GT. All huge research and AAU schools. It will make a play for FSU but I think the SEC wins in that pick. The B1G will then add Miami instead. The SEC likely grabs Clemson and FSU. Not sure if it goes to 20 but NCST and VT get it into VA and NC markets. Louisville and Pitt will get picked up by the Big 12. I see 20 schools as the cap for a super league which means the Big 12 might have lots of options from the PAC or ACC.
Why stop at 20 each? That would be so close to enough to separate for a closed playoff. Moreover, the revenue/power gap would then be so vast that the then BIG12 would rapidly decline in relevance anyway.
Miami has the largest tv market in Florida plus there are tons of northern transplants living in S. Fla and Miami is also an AAU school. UM will get the B1G invite, FSU will not.
I agree. Unc is already aau. Its a no brainer for unc to big10.
UCONN to the Big 12!… get a piece of the NYC market/New England…Our football would dramatically improve with a better conference
From what I can gather, UCONN wants to land in the ACC as either a +1 or backfill but would likely accept a BIG12 invite if in full.
Fun to figure out, but likely not realistic. First likely scenario is BIG: Va/Unc. SEC: NCst/VTech. Clemson is one coach away from being irrelevant. So wildcard is FSU. Watch Spearatics and signs point to FSU differentiating itself from UF so possibly BIG with Miami...but who really knows
The SEC is not letting the Big 10 get UNC while getting NC State lol they will pay extra and Carolina has already had discussions with the SEC
You don’t have to be a aau to be in the big ten. They’ve already come out and said it’s a plus but not a requirement. Big ten would get two of Clemson, unc, Florida state, or Miami.
For the Big 12 to me Pitt, Virginia Tech, NC State & Louisville make the most sense. Syracuse maybe, but no for Wake or BC. Pitt, VT and Syracuse are rivals of West Virginia.
Like they mentioned if it implodes not everyone will have a seat at the table, you could end up with a new look Big East sort of thing with Syracuse, BC, Wake and Duke. Those four don’t move the needle enough to get another power invite including Big 12.
@@danielbeck8000 definitely not Wake and BC..
@@dacokc and like UConn the Big East would likely welcome them back
@@danielbeck8000 if the Big12 wants to be the basketball powerhouse I’d prefer UConn over Gonzaga.. I prefer all members to have football and basketball programs..
Big 10: Georgia Tech, Florida State (after they get AAU), North Carolina, Virginia
SEC: Miami (FL), Clemson, Virginia Tech, N. C. State
Big XII: Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt,
Wake Forest or Duke..
or
Big 10: Florida State (after AAU),
North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech
SEC: Clemson, Miami (FL), Virginia,
N.C.State
Big XII: Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville,
Virginia Tech
The B1G will help FSU and Miami get AAU certified with access to their academic resources and influence. They probably wouldn't have to wait because they would be working on it as soon as they joined.
@@roris5882 The B1G has already been credibly claimed to be unethically hostile to AAU membership for southern schools, and FSU does less research than the recently expelled IWSTATE. So FSU and MIAMI will jump ahead of (e.g.) NCSTATE, VATECH & GEORGIA?
Syracuse to big 12 is out of hand
FSU isn’t getting AAU and the SEC doesn’t want them
@@roris5882 The AAU isn't the Big Ten's little fiefdom. There are many schools in the AAU who outnumber the Big Ten schools. They aren't going to just vote FSU in so they can be part of the cool kids club. VT, NC State, and Arizona State are all closer to AAU status than FSU. If FSU gets into the Big Ten, it will be because of football, TV ratings, fan base and geography.
GT is not private
Miami is located in the deep south but the administration and student body is largely from the northeast US. As a fan I would like to see Miami in the SEC but it didn't happen in the past and doesn't look likely today.
UNC, Pitt, Duke, UVa, & Georgia Tech are AAU members (FSU is possible future member). Still think Big 10 will add at least 2 more western schools. Question is would current members want to go to 20 or 24 members?
I would like the B1G get Washington, Utah, Clemson, & FSU.
BC is going to be cast adrift, it doesn't add value to any conference. Syracuse is borderline.
If Syracuse has no AAU membership the Big 12 might be where they end up in a Rutgers-like move to steal some NY thunder. I can see BYs Brooklyn ties helping this. The Big 10 will have no interest in adding them. BC has similar problems but gets nowhere with the Big 12.
Syracuse to AAC. Travel partner for Temple.
Any video that starts off with the Big 10 adding BC and Syracuse is AUTOMATICALLY turned off. That's total nonsense. The Big 10 already made added a vampire sucking school in Rutgers. The last thing it wants to do is added two more with BC and Syracuse.
Georgia Tech isn't a private institution.
B1G: BC, the northeastern schools
SEC: UNC, NC State, FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, the Florida schools, the Carolina schools
Big 12: WF, the Virginia schools
Pittsburgh to B1G or Big 12
OR Duke and Syracuse could join the Ivy League.
This realignment story is now over 2 years old. Have you just started following?
Wake vs. Baylor in the Big 12 - the battle of the Baptists!
Which is why I say WF would be a good fit. Hell, let's bring in the Catholics and invite BC. Ha ha.
ESPN has far too much control over this. If the Big10 tried to poach Clemson/FSU/UNC/Miami - ESPN would quickly redo the media rights deal with the ACC. Also - for teams to go to new conferences, they have to increase the total compensation enough that the existing schools get more money otherwise they will vote against it. As conferences have gotten bigger, this will be more difficult.
The B1G doesn't need to poach any school because those schools already want to join the B1G to make the most money possible for their sports AND academics. ESPN can't stop them from leaving because they will never be able to pay them as much as they will be making in the B1G. Especially after they aquire ND and the players start getting paid their fair share of the TV revenue they generate from their labor and health.
@@roris5882 Again, conference affiliation has no real impact on academic revenue other than perhaps a culture change. Since the B1G already looks for AAU, we can assume no impact.
ESPN has no control over the Big Ten and ACC schools will be able to go to whatever conference they desire.
The B1G already makes the most money out of all the conferences from sports AND academics.
@@roris5882 The B1G also has likely reached its high-water mark as things stand
I’m creating a new rehab and 12 step program for conference realignment junkies.
Some of these people are delusional or they must have brain damage.
I don't have a problem. I can quit anytime I want.
It's like when the Big12 thought their conference was going to collapse after Texas and Oklahoma's plans to join the SEC leaked to the public. Kansas fans desperately wanted their school to join the B1G so they thought they could speak it into existence. All Big12 sports media would speak about was how the B1G was going to announce Kansas as a new member any day now. Basketball is cool and all but those people need therapy.
I see Miami in the big 12 before the sec.
If FSU goes to the B1G I definitely see Miami being in the Big 12. Miami is a Florida backup for the B1G.
Would require a heavy ACC depletion and a decent rebuild not being feasible.
SEC: Florida State, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech, UNC, NC State, Duke, Miami.
Big 12: Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech.
a) How can the SEC take MIAMI twice? Why would it take once?
b) Why would any ACC team go to the BIG12?
I believe the Big Ten would only be interested in 4 ACC schools: Florida State, Miami, North Carolina and Virginia.
Think only way North Carolina is added to the Big 10 is have package with Duke and maybe NC State. UNC-DUKE basketball is huge and they probably don't want to split that old blue blood rivalry. Also, think at least 1 or both are accredited AAU in academic. Nebraska was I think until they just dropped from that mark but that's exception. I'm sure SEC is probably thinking exact same thing and NC State is a big wildcard if want to keep that "Tobacco Road" triangle rivalry. If SEC steals that triangle, that'll help basketball for that conference. If BIG gets it before SEC, just help solidify power in terms of basketball aspects. Plus, UNC-Maryland and Duke-Maryland rivalries could be reunited after what Maryland did in leaving ACC (which I think was an original member from recollection).
...and GA Tech.
@@matthewsmith2241 UNC would be packed with UVA (not NCSTATE) with DUKE being a coattail effort. NCSTATE would prefer splitting and landing in the SEC.
UVA, UNC & DUKE are about as AAU as one can get.
I doubt the B1G takes two small private schools like BC AND Duke. They may take 1 (duke), but not both. They may even consider UConn (good academies, P5 athletics, ESPN darlings).
Clemson, FSU, UNC, UVA will join the SEC & B1G. The remaining ACC schools are still on the table for the B12...I like Miami, Ga Tech, Syracuse, Wake Forest; Louisville & Pitt (for the sakes of WVU and Cincy).
All I can see of value for the Big 12 is Pitt, Louisville, and possibly VTU to go with Cincy and WVU. NC State may be on the outside but doubtful. The rest will get scalped by the Big 10 and SEC. Where the small private Tobacco Road universities go is anyone's guess.
The BigLeftovers League can have the ACC leftovers.
@@roris5882 Your mother's a leftover.
If the ACC "only" lost your named 4, the ACC wouldn't even have to replace to be a stable and viable Tier 2 peer with the BIG12 and/or PAC.
There’s something that people don’t know is that FSU is supposed to have beef with SEC soooo
They will not join a northern conference to play teams they never play and their fans don’t care about
Big-10 isn't after almost any of those teams. UVA maybe. I'd suggest they'd want Pitt before BC or Syracuse... and still that would be pretty down the list for them. SEC isn't getting UNC over the big-10 if Duke and UVA are in the big-10 for sure. If you're thinking geography, for the conference that just took USC and UCLA, you're really just lost.
Duke doesn't add anything to the B1G's TV deal because they neglected their football program for decades and are going to pay a price for it. They are a basketball school just like Kansas and they probably aren't getting into the B1G.
A flashing "No Clue" neon sign is putting DUKE in a P2 sans UNC. A dimmer sign is separating UNC and UVA.
@@tarheel7406 I think the dude just thought he should be "fair" and do the right thing for all these teams and what makes geographic sense... But yeah, insane to think UNC would choose the SEC (and I believe they will have a choice) over a big-10 with UVA, Duke... not to mention Maryland... and the academics etc. But I honestly think almost any administration would choose the big-10 over the SEC if they have the choice. Sure, many fanbases would want the SEC over the big-10 and there are other factors/intangibles that would make it a hard choice for several teams but for the most part Big-10 will be the desire of college administrators (i.e. the guys that are going to be making the choice).
@@benjaminhawkes6693 To be clear, I consider the SEC the better long-term move, and there are B1G fans that are adamant about predicting no DUKE. I'd rather UNC go to the SEC relatively alone than the B1G, the latter being my biggest concern. +DUKE isn't a requirement, but would help sate the fans/donors.
@@tarheel7406 Interesting, Why? I mean... the BB in the big-10 is better (SEC may have looked good before the tourney but they've now all washed out, Kentucky to a team that just lost to 9th seed FAU)... UNC, if they ever decide to compete in football seriously (which isn't to knock the fact Mack Brown has had some decent stints there), has an easier path, the big-10 sponsors more sports and UNC plays quite a few... Research and academics?
I'm trying to think what is in the favor of the SEC. Sure there are some cultural fits, but they are few... (flagship, land grant, southern). There are few universities that could be considered in a similar strata with UNC in those cultural areas as well as being academically decent (UT, UF, UGA). There's geography... and the SEC appears unlikely to ever lose that by taking some far flung outlier. But what else do you see?
Some of these teams wouldn't get picked up at all, and that's bad.
Miami is not getting into the SEC (over Florida's dead body) but Miami has the grades for the Big 10. I think what's best for the Big 10 is UNC, Virginia, Duke and Miami, The SEC would take FSU and Clemson which may be all. That leaves the Big 12 with four of the rest, likely Pitt, Virginia Tech, NC State and Georgia Tech.. I think after the FSU and Clemson, the next two they might take are Oklahoma State and Baylor.
a) The SEC likely takes VATECH and NCSTATE for two populated states than OKSTATE & BAYLOR
b) Why wouldn't any ACC remainders rebuild as a Tier 2 ACC like the BIG12 has?
Academic schools have a B1G10 shot. FSU and Clemson have an SEC golden ticket. The other schools are up sh!t's creek without a paddle. They'll be AAC maybe the BIG12 might be interested in some for an Eastern division. Or to further strengthen the basketball. Maybe.
@@tarheel7406 I think OK State appeals to the Big 12 because of their rivalry with Oklahoma, among others. Baylor or TCU could also be targets as well as Kansas State. Maybe we're being provincial, but I don't see Virginia Tech or N.C. State as moving the needle.
@@mynumberoneguy FSU and Miami aren't getting AAU certified to join the SEC.
@@orangehoof OKSTATE and the rest of the new BIG12 have been available since before the TX/OK news and likely remain so. There is no evidence of any SEC, B1G or even ACC interest in any of them. VATECH & NCSTATE would put the SEC in new Southeastern states, and both are better academic schools than any new BIG12 school.
I wonder just how much say the Big Ten have in welcoming new members. I wonder if Fox Sports really decides who they want in.
I’m just trying to figure out and have always tried to figure out what the B10 conference is good at athletically their literally the worse Power 5 conference when it comes to championships they need to drop athletics and focus on academics to save the world or something and do gods work like their founding member university of Chicago. Basketball B12 rn, Baseball SEC, Soccer PAC-12, Track SEC, Swimming SEC, Football SEC , Volleyball PAC-12, Softball B12, Gymnastics SEC, Golf PAC-12 I’m lost can someone help me? I will give them Hockey, and Wrestling 2 regional sports to help anything else?
Based on top level success during the 4-team playoff era, the B1G was #3 among the P5s. It has a number of regular D-Cup competitors, just added USC/UCLA, and OHSTATE is likely to finally win that competition this year. The B1G sponsors the highest number of sports among the P5s, 1 more than the ACC. The SEC is last on that measure.
Per current D-Cup standings, the ACC leads all conferences.
The boss SEC move would be UVA, UNC, DUKE, FSU, which are the top 4 overall ACC athletic programs and blocks an effective B1G expansion south. Not a prediction though.
The boss B1G move is UNC, UNC, DUKE, GATECH, FSU & ND.
I think you're overestimating the appeal of Duke. They would not be able to compete in football at that level.
@@elliottcrews4997 I think you're underestimating the appeal of DUKE. It's the closest overall P5 peer to STANFORD, helps secure UVA/UNC, and provides massive brand exposure outside of football.
Then what is the delay in the B1G taking Stanford. If Duke is going to the B1G like you think Stanford should have been a done deal long ago.
@@tarheel7406 Could be.
The B1G has to move their national footprint into the South to compete against the SEC in recruiting.
FSU applied for AAU. Director Alford confirmed in an interview.
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Poor delusional Alford. God love him. Ain't happening.
@@michaelhart6318 If Alford lied about applying to the AAU, about what else is he lying? I guess he's just misinformed?
Left out the most important issue, for the B1G and the SEC, none of these schools are revenue neutral.
I'd be happy with this as long as Notre Dame ends up in the Big 10.
Should UConn, Notre Dame, Rutgers, and Temple join the ACC in the near future?
I'm not sure other conferences would be interested in every school from the ACC. The ACC might need to look at poaching from the American or the Sun Belt.
I can see ~6 ACC remainders adding UCONN, ARMY, NAVY +X.
SEC wants to go to 20 with basketball focus and new areas: UNC, Virginia, Duke and Kansas
If the ACC is broken and the grant of rights is toothless, ND is Big Ten bound.
Nothing stops Notre Dame from just going back to the big east except for the slight difficulty of making a full football schedule... but when you're Notre Dame that's not an impossibility in any case. The big 10 for them is a major swallowing of pride, not just for losing their independence but also for joining a conference that was hostile to their membership proposal twice in the old days. But being independent made them, giving it up would push them into obscurity like Nebraska. They would need to give up their academic restrictions on athletes or they would just be buried in the big-10 losing 4-5 games a year. I know the big-10 salivates at the idea of Notre Dame but they'll be doing everything they possibly can to avoid it, while every other team out there would kill to join (probably even a couple SEC teams if they had to be honest). Why would you fap after someone that doesn't want you?
@@benjaminhawkes6693 The Big East can't compete against the B1G financially or academicly.
Not necessarily. The B1G/SEC would have to consolidate enough to separate and have a closed playoff. If only 20 each, ND could just keep its ACC association.
Notre Dame doesn't need the Big10. They have their own football TV deal with NBC that's comparable already.
@@atgdcommish608 No, ND's accepts far less money to remain indy. This story is now ~21 months old.
The Big 12 is NOT taking Cuse, GaTech, or BC. Miami, Louisville, NCST, Pitt, maybe VaTech are the only possibilities for Big 12
Yay conference realignment
I'll have fun and play along on the wild speculation of Conference Realignment... ( I'll guess 3 conferences of 20 and best of the rest APAC)
B1G- Oregon, Washington, UVA, UNC
SEC- FSU, Clemson, VT, NC State
Big 12- Miami, Pitt, Louisville, Memphis, Colorado, Utah, AZ, AZ State
APAC- rest of ACC & PAC... can add the likes of UConn, Tulane, SD State, SMU, UNLV, Georgetown, Gonzaga and others depending on how creative they want to be.
Notre Dame- Independent w/ APAC tie in, or B1G if they want to join a conference.
Why would the ACC remainders join the BIG12 rather than rebuild?
@@tarheel7406 most of the leftover ACC teams would join up with leftover PAC teams and add some FCS teams(expand the footprint). Main ones joining Big 12 would be good fits and add back rivals... my updated uneducated guess would now have Miami and Notre Dame in B1G.
@@MrMac232003
a) An ACC/PAC merger only if the PAC doesn't scatter first, the logistics work, and all agree. No reason for the ultimate remainders to merge if there will be three Tier 2s.
b) ND is unlikely to join a 20-team B1G.
@@tarheel7406 A) ACC/PAC conference would pretty much be a tier 4 conference but would have good value in massive footprint and could be a good basketball conference, it keeps teams from having to join an FCS conference... I guess the big question nowadays is how many teams do the main 3 Conference want 20, 22, 24?... and in 5 to 6 years how much will that change? 🤔
B) With B1G looking to eliminate non-conference P5 requirements, it's hard to see a scenario where Notre Dame can remain an independent and get a valuable schedule for what they want in a Media deal... why would the likes of USC, Ohio State, Michigan keep scheduling them for a non-con game, when they could be making more if it was a conference game.
@@MrMac232003 You don't get it. Look at your original post and scatter prediction. An ACC that "only" loses" 6 teams just adds UCONN +1. They don't join the last resort BIG12. It makes no sense to do so.
a) There will eventually be no P3 only a P2
b) Some large national hodgepodge wouldn't have the gravity to not splinter. Why kill off the eastern Tier 2 just to recreate later.
c) Unless the P2 consolidate enough to separate and close a playoff, ND will have playoff access
d) ND doesn't need to play B1G teams for a good schedule
There is no feasible path for the BIG12 to be the #3 in a P3 world. None.
Texas and OU left together. Usc /ucla left together. Why would UNC / Duke do otherwise? Horrible what if in my opinion
Didn't GT leave the SEC? If so, why would they go back? I thought FL did not want FSU and/or Miami in the SEC? Also, SEC doesn't want schools in NFL cities, so no Miami. I could see VT and NC State to the SEC. BC is not an AAU school. Not sure they make the cut for the B1G. I could see GT, UNC to the B1G.
Florida would be able to block FSU about as well as South Carolina would be able to block Clemson; or as well as A&M blocked Texas.
And I don't know if FSU wants anything to do with the SEC. They may prefer the B1G.
@@devilfrawg4953 But why would those ACC schools go to the SEC when they can make more money for sports AND academics in the B1G and pay off their buyout fee, if there is one, quicker while making more money quicker?
@@roris5882 Again, conference affiliation has no real impact on academic revenue other than perhaps a culture change. Since the B1G already looks for AAU, we can assume no impact.
GT left the SEC because of Bama. GT tried a few times to go back to the SEC. Ask many GT fans and they will tell you that leaving the SEC was a big mistake. Did you know that Bama and GT had a very heated rivalry? GT also had a big rivalry with Auburn. On the week that Auburn played GT, Auburn would have a Wreck Tech Parade. GT never had the numbers in their stadium as it had in the SEC. GT would love to be back in the SEC and FSU had their chance but Daddy Bowden did not want to play Auburn and Bama during the same season and he openly stated that the SEC was too competitive. He preferred the easier conference which was the ACC. The SEC last month came out and said that they would never take Miami because Miami didn't fit what they were looking for.
For the B1G, it would probably be : UNC, UVA, FSU, GT, Duke. No interest in Syracuse, BC, etc. The OP just wants to do it by region, which completely overlooks that these schools are simply undesirable & can not generate the revenue needed to join the B1G. More likely the B1G takes 1 of the Florida schools & SEC takes Louisville or NC State.
Is there something wrong with you? Do you just think the SEC will sit there and let the Big 10 take all of those southeastern teams? No they won’t.
@@gagejernigan5277 At some point, there is no need to take multiple teams in the same state. It dilutes the brand & doesn't bring new eyeballs in, so the TV networks would pay them less.
I think the Big 12 should keep at least 2 spots open for eastern expansion. Keep WVU, Cinn, & UCF from being isolated. More regional rivalries.
USF is likely, and Memphis. ACC schools will cost too much to buy out.
@@atgdcommish608 usf?!!!! LOL
The ACC would have to heavily deplete (7+ teams) and the remainders have no viable rebuild option before any go to the new BIG12. Instead of keeping any slots open for eastern expansion, the BIG12 should focus west and plan on losing its existing eastern members as part of a relatively amicable Tier 2 realignment.
No way that this happens. Big Ten has zero interest in BC, Syracuse. Big Ten goes for UNC, Clemson, FSU, Virginia
B1G gets UNC, Duke, FSU, Pitt, and ND Deal
SEC gets Clemson, Miami, and whoever else they want.
I think UNC and Duke stay together and generally project as B1G schools more than SEC. I don't think FSU wants the SEC schedule, but I could see them being SEC just as easily, Pitt just makes sense with PSU, and ND has been linked to B1G forever.
If UNC went B1G NC St would go to the SEC The SEC would like to plant a flag in that state
I suspect that NCSTATE would prefer splitting from UNC in this manner. That's really the catch that UNC faces. It can go B1G which likely yields another nuke vote, but that also likely means that NCSTATE gets the better SEC football matchups and recruiting advantages. It can go SEC, but that likely requires successfully litigating the GOR and possibly political complications since NCSTATE would be left in a Tier 2.
UNC is the furthest thing from an SEC fit and I'm really confused about how little value you guys consider Duke to have. Obviously football is the big moneymaker but you can't just disregard the value that Duke basketball brings. Duke is the Notre Dame/New York Yankees/Los Angeles Lakers of college basketball. They will undoubtedly have an offer from the Big Ten (along with UNC) as soon as they have that opportunity.
I think the SEC would have their pick of the litter and they would obviously go with Florida State and Clemson. If they expand two more schools, you're probably looking at Georgia Tech and Virginia Tech if they do decide to expand further (and I don't necessarily think that they will).
I think that would open the Big 12 up to taking both of those, as well as Louisville and Potentially Pittsburgh. I don't think any of these schools do enough for the Big Ten or SEC, but they do raise the floor on the Big 12.
I think Wake, Boston College and Syracuse may end up lost in the fold, although don't undersell the draw that Syracuse has. They may very well end up in the Big Ten as well.
That really just leaves NC State and Miami who are middling fits just about everywhere. Maybe NC State gets a Big 12 Offer instead of Pittsburgh. Maybe Miami gets an SEC offer instead of Virginia Tech, although Miami doesn't seem like a great fit in the SEC. Hell, maybe Miami ends up in the Big Ten too. If they expand to 20+ institutions, you might see the SEC keep cruising to 20+ as well. Either way, I think every school finds an FBS home aside from maybe BC, Wake and Syracuse.
Besides maybe L'VILLE, no ACC remainder opts for the BIG12 if rebuilding is feasible.
The Pac-12 the ACC join each other get a better TV deal that will help Florida State and Clemson in Oregon and Colorado that's the best option just imagine the TV ratings you would get Colorado versus Florida State Primetime in my coach Mike Norvell that's the best option and the TV deal would definitely get somewhere close to the SEC in the Big Ten
Then they might be making half of what the B1G does.
Why this won't work has been explained ad nauseam.
If the B1G was interested in expanding south, NC is a 100% lock. GT would fit academically and FSU would be two and three.if not FSU then Miami.
UNC would not join the Big 10 to play all those northern teams every year that makes no sense
@@gagejernigan5277 money talks. UNC will play the Sisters of the Poori. Thumb wrestling if paid enough
@@George-Kliavkoff4Big12 UNC will have a choice. Money mean leaving; it doesn't mean SEC vs. B1G.
SEC: FSU, Clemson, Miami, Virginia Tech
Big Ten: NC, UVA, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame
Big 12: NC State, Louisville, Pitt, Duke
a) I keep reading PITT fans say B1G or bust, but no one will explain what "bust" means in context
b) DUKE will be like CAL/STANFORD and will not go BIG12
@@tarheel7406 good for Pitt fans. I don’t see the TEN talking them though. TEN likes expanding their footprint. PSU already owns the state.
@@dacokc Do you know what "bust" looks like? Eliminating the football program?
@@tarheel7406 wow! you think Pitt would really consider shutting down football? that would be wild.
@@dacokc I'm not thinking anything. I'm asking the question what does "bust" mean in this context?
B10 - UNC, Duke, VA, Ga Tech. If FSU gains AAU status then they go B10 also else SEC. ND goes B10 when ACC collapses. SEC - Va Tech, NC State, Miami, Clemson. B12 - Pitt, Louisville. Left out Syracuse, Wake Forest, Boston College.
Not happening the SEC will just let the B10 absorb 24 teams and fail then expand that big the SEC doesn’t even need to expand the B10 does cuz they never win any championships in any sports and if any SE or south teams joined the B10 their athletics programs would die due to the players in the region not wanting to play there and going to the closest SEC school to them
The ACC conference was formed by teams that were formally in the southern conference together with the SEC teams so a lot of the kids growing up there and family want to join the SEC for regional familiarity/rival purposes no kids in Florida wanna go up north for no reason
@@AaronCaldwell. If the SEC stands pat and allows the SEC to effectively expand south, the SEC will be forever #2.
You have no clue what you’re talking about. Georgia Tech has 40k students they are not like Wake Forest at all. UNC has already had discussions with the SEC so they’re much more likely to join them because of location. No one in NC wants to play Illinois and Wisconsin every year.
Here's my take on how the B1G would look at the ACC schools.
The B1G has a preference for AAU schools. In the case of the ACC that would be North Carolina, Virginia, Pitt, Georgia Tech, and Duke.
Secondly, the deal has to be additive--each B1G school has to see an increase in their share of the revenue.
If I were the B1G commissioner charged with taking the conference nationwide, I would be looking REALLY HARD at Florida, in particular FSU. The president of FSU was formerly the Vice Provost of Harvard. The guy didn't take the job because of the weather. The FSU AD is Kevin Warren's BFF. Something is happening in Tallahassee.
I would also look at Miami, North Carolina, Virginia, and Georgia Tech. (Georgia Tech is in the nation's #5 media market.) I don't have the media market numbers. I don't know if it is possible for any of these schools to pass the "additive test."
IMO, the ACC schools are going to be in play much sooner than 2036. It takes eight votes to dissolve the ACC and blowup that ugly Grant of Rights. Let's do a little math, B1G=2, SEC=2, Big 12, which has nationwide aspirations, equals 4. What do you get when you add up those numbers?
The B1G would take FSU, Miami, UNC, and ND or nobody else because they don't add any revenue to their TV deal. If the 4 schools that leave for the B1G and SEC pay the 4 other ACC leftovers to go to the Big12 then they can easily get to their 8 members to blow it up. It would only cost the 4 new B1G and SEC members $6M a year to cover the difference for the 4 leftovers. Plus the 4 leftovers would have the stability of the Big12 while the ACC no longer exists.
@@roris5882 You keep repeating "FSU, Miami, UNC, and ND or nobody else". There's a very good chance that the SEC counter with UVA, UNC, DUKE and FSU which has a very good chance of success.
Since ND is unlikely to join a 20-team B1G since the playoffs are likely to remain open, that leaves you with just MIAMI +?
As a big ten fan all my life i DON'T WANT DUKE ive watched a handful of videos about this one claimed a big ten insider claimed theyre interested in VA & VT possibly moreso than OR & WA not sure how true that is its too early to tell gotta a long way to go it seems i saw a comment that said Louisville has joined the 7 other schools
Y’all don’t want duke bc y’all know y’all’s basketball game is weak 😭
I would love to see FSU in Big10.... Love to have Rivalry games against Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State... However i would love to see SEC.... Bama, Auburn, UGA, Texas, Oklahoma, and UF
Reports of the death of the ACC have been greatly exaggerated. Sure we might lose FSU and Clemson in 7 or 8 years. But that doesn't mean the ACC dies. They could easily hold tight and remain the 3rd conference behind the Power 2. I think it's more likely that the B12 folds than the ACC. And for the record Wake academics are extremely high as are GTs. But they are very different schools with different missions. One isn't academically better than the other.
FSU + Miami, UNC + Virginia, Stanford + ND to B1G
Duke’s Basketball makes it a perfect fit for the Big 10
Syracuse and BC don’t stand a chance in joining the B1G.
4 of these teams to the Big Ten, no one else: UNC, Virginia, Duke, FSU, GTech, or Miami.
1 team that will inevitably join the B1G: 🍀
This has been my position for over a year:
Core: UVA, UNC & FSU (alternate MIAMI)
Top Filler: GATECH and/or DUKE
Optional: Other Florida school
The larger the ACC bloc, the greater the synergies captured between themselves and with MD.
The SEC and B1G may pause at 20 after an ACC scatter, but it's not really practical to stay there. The revenue/power gap with the then Tier 2 BIG12, ACC and/or PAC will be too wide. The then P2 will top off to ~24 each for separation and closed playoff that can maintain national interest and legitimacy. That's when ND will be forced into the B1G.
@@tarheel7406 That scenario is definitely possible. It’s no longer “if” Notre Dame will join the B1G, it’s “when.”
By the way, I am pulling for UNC to the B1G. I think they would make a fantastic addition.
@@briggsofdisaster Well, the ACC ain't dead as a peer yet, so it's not yet "when". I've said since Day 1 that ND must join the ACC today or the B1G tomorrow,
My biggest concern is that UNC will join the B1G without a sufficient ACC rival bloc. MD is a cautionary tale. I've encountered a number of B1G fans who hate me for saying it, but without that rival bloc, UNC's football ambitions would be killed over time.
@@tarheel7406 Understandable. Hopefully the B1G will solve that issue.
BC would be good for the big10, small private school but the Boston market is large and loyal. Best football in the whole state likely since Harvard is FCS and UMass sucks eggs.
Clemson for sure SEC, same with FSU, Miami, and VT. Virgins Tech does better ratings than Virginia and would be a natural fit with teams like Kentucky, Tennessee, etc.
UNC, Duke, Virginia, and Pitt to the big10 all makes sense. Academics are all good, just depends on which ones they want.
Syracuse is kinda dead in the water, only real option would be AAC or Big12, probably Big12 though if they can. WF, Louisville, and NC State all go to Big12 as well.
Notre dame would probably join the big10 full time if the ACC goes the way of the typewriter. And GT either joins Big12 or goes independent.
Most of what I said is based of ratings/ markets since those are the main factors in all of this realignment
I don't seriously see UND ending up in any conference, they have a nationwide fanbase and can sustain Independence. They have real problems with joining the Big 10. I doubt if the Big 12 gets very interested in Wake either. Pitt has a huge rivalry with West Virginia and I can see them in the Big 12, They used to have another huge rival in Penn State but since PSU went to the Big 10, that has cooled a bit. Pitt will do our academics some good. Louisville and Cincy are close together and are rivals. Syracuse might be a good bet.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 the hypothetical here is the dissolution of the ACC, in which ND won't have a CHOICE but to join a conference.
a) The B1G took RUT over BC and PITT. Too many better options.
b) Doubt any P2 takes both FSU and MIAMI.
c) No ACC remainder goes to the BIG12 unless no other viable option.
The graphic at 0:06 can't be serious.
Time to pivot..college basketball is Huge..how about: NC-Duke-Louisville to Big12 to join Kansas and make a Basketball Super conference...they'd rule the sport..and make tv negotiations on this basis..
B10 has been pretty big in basketball as well I think UNC and Duke are B1G bound.
B10 = Clemson, FSU, Miami. Also maybe UVA and UNC. They are the only teams that expands the blueprint and bring close to equal value to the table. SEC=Maybe UNC if no Big10 invite. B12= NCSU, Pitt, Syracuse, V Tech, GA Tech, Louisville and maybe BC. I can see Duke in the Big East and FB will be Independent. Wake goes to C-USA or AAC.
B1G might be interested in GTech AAU member and is in Atlanta...It's all about cable subscribers for the B1G. That's why Rutgers is in. Also, I'm not sure they would take both schools from Florida, but I wouldn't be opposed to that.
@@andidkleinmaybe for the B1G network but most of the B1G matchups will be on the free tv networks, Fox, CBS and NBC.
I really think FOX would be driving for Florida too. And Georgia as well. GT has a lot of value (more than Rutgers, and more success historically) and has the benefit of being a historic rival of Notre Dame. UNC also makes a lot of sense, the big-10 can grab the flagship of a state that really does take football seriously and is fast growing. Clemson gets you some football cred that the big-10 really needs. Miami grabs you a good market and the best, pound for pound, recruiting region in the country as well as pretty decent TV ratings.
Duke and Pitt (another major ND rival) are massive research giants (as well as GT and UNC).
Who knows? Maybe Clemson will want to get AAU certified like FSU and Miami so they can make Billions from academics and research so they don't have to depend on the Millions they make from football to fund their school like many of the SEC teams do.
Hate to be the one to break it to you, but the SEC has reached the highest level of Research 1 status possible and is only one of four conferences to have such designation. PAC, B1G, Ivy League and the SEC. That’s the four conferences that have all their members in that designation. The SEC with its 14 members does over 5 billion in research per year. It hardly has to depend on its football to fund their schools. UGA did over 545 million in research in 2022. Oh, those two schools coming in, OU and UTx. They do over a billion between the two of them. I know the B1G homers expound on their academics and research dollars. Great for them but please don’t believe everything you see on these you tube posts. Their biased to whichever conference affiliation they belong to. The academics in the SEC are great and none of the Universities in the SEC depend on football to fund their schools. It’s really easy to do a little research for ourselves to see how well these universities do academically, financially and of course we get to watch their success or failure on the field every year. There aren’t any universities at the Power 5 or Group of 5 level that have to depend on football or athletics to fund their schools. Football does fund athletic departments but it’s completely separate from the university funding its academic and operational budgets.
Florida state and Clemson to the big ten. Put money on it.
No recent AAU invite. Not reported as vetted. On what basis?
UNC is undoubtedly Big X, just like Virginia.
Syracuse, BC, and Duke are in an odd spot. They don't really fit with the Big X, but aren't SEC material either.
The SEC could absolutely take Clemson and FSU, but the others aren't a natural fit at all.
Would we really take THAT many ACC schools?
Pitt and Louisville are natural Big XII fits. Wake, Miami, GT and maybe NC State.
There really should be a Big East.
"UNC is undoubtedly Big X, just like Virginia."
Likely, but not undoubtedly.
DUKE fits the B1G as much as STANFORD would.
"The SEC could absolutely take Clemson and FSU, but the others aren't a natural fit at all. "
VATECH and NCSTATE are SEC type schools except not being flagships. Of course neither are CLEMSON and FSU.
"Pitt and Louisville are natural Big XII fits. Wake, Miami, GT and maybe NC State."
Only L'VILLE is a natural new BIG12 type due to geo and academic standing. The rest would likely not want the academic downgrade.
UVA, UNC, GT and Miami go B1G.
FSU, Clemson, Duke, and Wake go to SEC. Duke and Wake get huge support from Kentucky, Tennessee, and Vandy wanting to prop up basketball 🏀.
Louisville, Pitt, VT, NcState, Syracuse, and BC go to B12 fills in their East Division.
a) If DUKE isn't coattai;ed with UNC, the other P2 won't take and DUKE won't go BIG12
b) WAKE over NCSTATE for the SEC's desired North Carolina team?
c) Why would the 6 ACC remainders join a hodgepodge Tier 2 BIG12 over rebuilding a regional new Tier 2 ACC?
Wake is not going to the SEC
ACC is not going to fold anytime soon if ever!
The ACC is a zombie, they are dead but they haven't realized it yet.
@@roris5882 So dumb. If the ACC doesn't realize its peril, why all the noise? It's the BIG12 that doesn't realize its death as a "power" conference.
Sorry Folks, if the SEC were to ever expand again, it would only be with UNC, Clemson, FSU and UVA. It would be a package deal or nothing. Otherwise the SEC just stays at 16 teams. They aren’t bringing in schools just to bring in schools. Listen to what the SEC has been saying the past 3 years.The current SEC team payouts will not shrink or be cut by adding otherwise they won’t expand. It’s fun to speculate and plug in all these teams as fans but there is no reason whatsoever other than the 4 schools that move the needle. The B1G can grow to be 50 strong if that’s their want. The SEC doesn’t follow along. It is quite happy with the 16 teams they currently have going forward. As a few SEC presidents and AD’s have said recently, why add? We have the best product. That’s straight talk and it’s their strength. Nothing against all these other schools. Fine institutions of learning and good athletic universities but the SEC is fixed in its positioning going forward. It’s 16 teams. If the block of four from the ACC come calling later on, the SEC will listen and ESPN will decide if they are willing to pay full share payouts to add them into the SEC media deal.
Thank you, finally someone sees it like me. The SEC isn't expanding just to expand. The four you mentioned are the only ones the SEC would consider.
a) What if the end goal is a P2 separation?
b) What if the B1G counter invites UVA, UNC, DUKE & FSU?
@@tarheel7406 The SEC can stay at 16 forever if they don't get the ones they desire. No big deal, they will always be better than the B1G in football, baseball and now probably at basketball also unless the B1G raids four from the ACC that are good at basketball.
@@craigkirsch6750 If the B1G effectively expands south, there will be parity for some time, but the B1G would eventually clearly surpass.
@@craigkirsch6750 it's nonsense to say the SEC will "always" be better in football. These things are cyclical. Just because that may be how it is now, doesn't mean that's how it will be forever.
Switch Virginia for Pitt and I'd be all for it (as a Penn St fan)
The general consensus is that the B1G has no interest in PITT, but I'll play along. UVA and UNC are likely packaged. and neither the B1G nor SEC takes DUKE sans UNC. So that leaves you with CUSE, BC & PITT. If the goal is 20 and ND doesn't join a 20 team B1G, what is the +!?
I actually wonder if the SEC would take Clemson or any other team in Florida. Historically whenever the SEC expanded they either took a state's flagship school like when they got Texas or they moved into a new state. They have never taken a new school in a state that they already have a team unless it is the State's flagship school. So if they follow Historical pattern, Clemson, FSU, Miami are all out. So the SEC would go after North Carolina (maybe Duke if North Carolina demanded wherever they went Duke goes as well they are rivals) and a Virginia school. Throw in that taking Clemson and FSU would upset South Carolina and Florida those teams may be left out in the cold or go to the Big10
They took AM first
It's who can help generate revenue by getting eyeballs on the screen. Those eyeballs also see commercials - advertisement bought from the network broadcasting the game. Clemson would bring those eyeballs.
UNC is a flagship school when the SEC has no presence. I think UNC would prefer to go B1G for money and prestige. If the SEC wants presence in North Carolina it's best option is NC State and not Duke. Duke is destined for the Big East or A10.
@@George-Kliavkoff4Big12 Duke is likely going to go where ever North Carolina goes, those two are tied to the hip rivals in Basketball and I could see North Carolina demanding whoever takes them takes Duke as well. If that happens it will be up to the Big10 or SEC to decide if having North Carolina is worth dealing with Duke as well. If North Carolina doesn't demand that Duke goes with them then yes they are likely heading to Big East or A10.
UNC already had discussions with the SEC. They are in the Southeast in a state the SEC will want to expand in. They have natural borders with several prominent SEC teams, and they will not join the Big 10 to have to travel that far north that often. They are a more traditional southern style university and that fits better in the SEC, plus the recruiting would be a lot better if they could market games with southern teams to their recruits, which would work better in the SEC
No, the Big Ten would take UVA, UNC and Miami.
they need to tell ND either you join a confernce or dont lookto go to the playoffs
Teams getting left out: BC, Cuse, Wake, Duke. They are going to the island of misfit toys.
All other schools will find destinations in the Big10, SEC, or Big12.
a) DUKE could easily be coattailed if not just to secure the 2 flags
b) Doubtful any ACC teams go to the BIG12. Why would they?
When I go over to the PAC boards, they have 4 PAC teams locked to the B1G in 2026. When I come to the ACC boards, they got 6 to 8 ACC teams locked to the B1G when the GOR is busted. I also see a lot of Kansas to the B1G and Notre Dame to the B1G. 14 teams to the B1G plus their 16 current number puts them just 2 shy of the NFL number of teams. Oh I forgot, A&M and Mizzou are leaving the SEC according to everyone outside of the SEC. That’s 32!!! Wow! Congrats!
All the most profitable SEC teams might as well just join the B1G or the D1 College Football League. They will probably even make the SEC Commissioner their new Commissioner.
Every group has their GBD I suppose?
@@roris5882that would be every team in the SEC. They are all very profitable. High endowments, high R-1 research universities with great academics and of course we already know they are all profitable in athletics.
@@jansonroberts2616 SEC schools generally have relatively small endowments and don't have "great" academics by P5 standards.
Sorry TarHeel, no where in my statement did I mention or say that it was to some standard nor did I mention P-5 so you took it out of context. Just stating facts as it truly is. You can get a great degree from any of the SEC universities. If you say you can’t, you’re either a liar or an idiot, either way it’s on you. As far as endowments, the National Association of College and University Business Officers (NACUBO) reported that 1 billion plus endowments are high. If you want to refute their claim, don’t let me stand in your way. I don’t care either way. I never claimed the SEC is better at academics than anyone else nor have I ever claimed that the SEC has the highest endowments. I said they have great academics and high endowments, all of which is factual and true. For fun I googled the P-5 academic standard you mentioned. It took me to the Pre-school through 5th grade education curriculum standardized testing requirements. Couldn’t find a P-5 University academic standard anywhere on the net. Is that a thing? Source?
The 12 should try to get Miami Duke NCState and Louisville
Miami to the Big 12
Nope... B1G invites UNC, FSU and Miami only. Other schools can't generate the level of money (same problem with Oregon and Washington). GT would make a good candidate but just not in this round. It's predicated on TV money and as what I understand ESPN (Disney) is firing a lot of people.
SEC: Clemson and NC State (rabid fan base culturally fits the SEC). Maybe VT (VT only 200 miles away from Knoxville and 300 miles away from Lexington). State of Kentucky already has flagship school. Sorry, but Louisville isn't a Texas so UL is out
Big 12: Pitt, Louisville, NC State (if available). But Yormark is an East Coast guy (New York), so I can see Big 12 going after Syracuse, then nab UConn for a nice little East Coast pod (UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, and WVU).
Don't forget Aresco and the AAC: BC, WF, GT
Independent: Duke.
What I see is that these superconferences are can't get any larger than proposed. They won't be able support their own weight. Tread lightly bc TV rights money is drying up.
The ACC is facing a reckoning: either pay your top brands more or they may reach critical mass to break the grant of rights. Either way, lasting until the current expiration of the grant of rights is doubtful because they are locked too long while the media landscape is evolving much faster.
I doubt BC would make it into the B1G - they would not bring in enough revenue. Boston likes their pro teams. Also, UNC with Duke is a better fit in the B1G than SEC.
Georgia Tech more likely in the Big XII because SEC already has the Georgia market with the University of Georgia. Why have competing teams in the state? Thus, here is another possible scenario if the ACC goes belly up:
B1G: Duke, UNC, Syracuse, and Virginia (all top academic brands)
SEC: Clemson and FSU (Florida and FSU would likely not want Miami and UCF in their league)
Big XII: Louisville, Pitt, Miami, and Georgia Tech
Wake Forest, Boston College, Virginia Tech, and NC State may have lower revenue potential and thus would be the most at risk of not landing well.
Sadly, if the ACC does collapse and these conferences add the teams, then we will enter the era of the Super Conferences that are driven by money and may contract with the NFL to supplement player development, NIL, and insurance expenses.
The B1G would take FSU, Miami, UNC, and ND or nobody because the leftovers don't add anything to their TV deal.
V-Tech and NC State are excellent schools with great fan support and the B12 would be VERY fortunate to have a shot having them join. Likely not available for B12 though.
@@peters822 They could always be incentivised to agree to vote to blow up the ACC to move to the Big12 if they are paid the difference of what they would lose making the move by the former ACC schools that go to Super 2 Conferences to make more. The ACC leftovers may not even lose money if the TV networks agree to pay the Big12 a little more for aquiring P-5 schools. But if they do have to get paid the difference to make the move it's only a couple Million a year for each school. So that would be a lot cheaper then buying themselves out of the ACC if the conference still exists. They need to get to their majority of 8 or more members to agree to blow it up. If 6 of them get Super 2 Conferences invites then they could all share the low buyout cost for 2 leftovers. They should just ask the Big12 which ACC schools they want the most. FSU, Miami, UNC, ND, Clemson, and maybe VT, UVA, Louisville, or NC St could probably get into the Super 2 now.
@@peters822 I think it would be great if these schools join the Big XII. Just hard to know how this would shape up with so much emphasis on TV audiences and revenue. I hope the ACC stays together but unlikely if the revenue divide keeps getting bigger between the Big 10 & SEC and then everyone else.
@@peters822 yeah I would think VaTech and NC State would be great in the Big12, along with Pitt.
Syracuse and BC would rejoin the Big East and go independent for Football
No, no, no. Complete phase 2 with the 4corners then proceed with phase 3 in raiding the ACC with the Big10 and the SEC. Take Virginia Tech, Miami, Syracuse, and Pitt. Game!
For what purpose a national hodgepodge Tier 2 BIG12?
b1g: duke, unc, uva, fsu
sec: nc st, clemson, miami, va tech
big 12: louisville, pitt, Syracuse, Ga tech
left out. (aac) - BC, wake
Duke and FSU are not AAU..
@@dacokc DUKE is AAU
@@tarheel7406 FSU is close to AAU, maybe b1g helps them across the line. FSU is not going to big 12, Fla doesn’t want them in sec and fsu hates the sec for keeping them out before. very bad blood.
Duke is elite academics even if not AAU with good research revenue. Plus they are good partner and rival with unc and both boost basketball
do i think this is likely? no, but it was a dream sheet of what would happen if acc dies. the only way this happens is if 8 teams get a promised landing spot and vote away GoR
b1g gets new footprint in 3 states with fsu bring prize
sec gets 2 new states and stays geographically aligned and adds 2 name brands in current states (clemson and miami)
big 12 gets best of rest and gives cincy and wvu travel help
@@dacokc FSU is working on becoming AAU, they want to be in the B1G
@@blazzedbunny3243 FSU has little chance of getting an AAU invite before 2036.
Big ten makes the most money and can have anyone they want but will pick up the 4 worst teams in the acc 😂
Some schools will prefer the SEC. TEXAS did as an example.
Georgia Tech and Florida State to the B1G.
Just have fun with it, you don’t have to know everything lol it’s a hypothetical
I want Miami in the B1G
Fsu or Miami ends up in the Big
40,000 students
I would think maybe Pitt to the big ten
Penn St and OSU would not allow it because that's invading their regional footprint. They want to expand their regional footprint 8nto other parts of the country like the South because that's where the best and most recruits come from which would benefit the conference greatly.
@@roris5882 they might not have a choice Because Maryland got in and they are in Penn St footprint
@@jesskelley4726 Maryland got in because they are in the DC TV market. The B1G already controls the PA market where Pitt is located because Penn St is the flagship school in PA.
@@roris5882 I get what your sayin I just think Big ten might be interested in Pitt beacuse aau school
In favor other options? Where would PITT rank on a list of B1G preferences?
B1G - Clemson, GT, FSU, & Miami
Gets into the South.
SEC - UNC, UVA, VTech, Pitt footprint in NC & VA.
B12 - Louisville, NCSt., Cuse
The rest end up with Big East football teams. BC, WF, Duke,
I'll take a scatter that won't happen for $400 Alex.
Va Tech better match for SEC
I see VT in Big 10. They have the style of play for Big 10. I could see Pitt, Syracuse, and or BC as well. SEC is on point with that list. FS, Clemson, and Miami. Maybe even UNC in SEC as well. Not so sure about the rest.
The B1G would accept FSU, Miami, UNC, and ND or nobody.
@Roris I don't see them fitting in the 10. Not at all. Well.. maybe ND. But, I see the rest as SEC, if anything. In my opinion, VT hired Brent Pry for that reason. They may go to the 10 if this realignment occurs. Plus, Penn State recruited and still recruits HEAVY from VA. especially in the Joe Pa days.
@@tarbarian1879 The B1G is a national conference now and they make more money then the SEC in sports AND academics. So if they are interested in making the most money possible while playing in a national conference on 3 major TV networks then they are a fit.
@Roris @Roris I look at it differently. I factor in weather and environment. Why would those schools you say fit the 10 go to a cold weather environment and risk losing games in those environments and conditions? Talking FSU nad Miami. Especially in away games which play into the hands of those that are used to such conditions. Look at Bama and such. Put them in the cold. I bet they'd struggle in a cold weather environment. It's like army and marines. The army handles ALL weather environments for the most part. Marines deal in warm to desert conditions as their mission set. Which is why they stay lean and look fit. SEC stays in the heat. Put them in the cold! Then....ill be impressed. And I'm not buying into that money and academic crap. Money can be made and lost. Academic standards can be adjusted.
Story is now ~21 months old and this far off?
A guy got it wrong
Total Swag, no basis in what is really going on.
Duke unc. Virginia aau members unc want duke. It a package deal like usc and ucla. Stanford California Oregon Washington Arizona Utah Colorado are aau. Members Arizona state Washington state Oregon state non aau members. Norte dame unc. Duke. Virginia. Oregon Washington Stanford California or Utah in big ten.
UNC/UVA is the package. DUKE is a coattail effort.
The ACC is locked into the worst Power5 football deal, and they're locked until 2036. No one is coming for them to buy anyone out, unless it's Clemson and Florida State. But the buyout fees would offset the value and break the deal.
Virginia is not a state school
UVA is the state flagship