As former SF, you should know DEVGRU has its on training pipeline. BUDS is the basic course to become a SEAL, Green Team is where you try out for DEVGRU.
SEALS and DEVGRU are not SF they are Special Operators. Only Rangers and ODA aka Green Berets are considered Special Forces. Everyone else are Special Operations to whereas Rangers and ODA are both SF and Special Operations.
@@spamapam if I was young and full of c*m again, I wouldn't bother trying out for seals or st6. Every team I met as a security contractor was cocky, I liked working with retired 75th, and other SOF folks. They taught me a lot on the job, more then retired Seals.
Question.... Would it not be better to compare selection for Devgru and Delta? They are both tier one. Buds is selection for the "regular" seal teams. I think the regular seal teams are tier 2.
You would be correct ✅ BUDS is hard. After BUDS you’re not done you have to go into SQT.. DEVGRU is a whole different level above the seal teams and they have an even more grueling selection process and this is seal team guys who have been deployed and in combat already elite SOF guys and that attrition rate is very high as well The difference between CAG and DEVGRU is that CAG takes guys from all over and DEVGRU only takes guys already on seal teams. Both DEVGRU and CAG are tier 1 Delta is said to be the older more professional guys who don’t want any of the glory and do not want or care to go around and tell everyone about what they did/do and delta from what I’ve seen has way more pull and resources and overall funding. DEVGRU is up there as well and has good funding but I don’t think DEVGRU guys have the amount of resources at their disposal at any given time and by this I mean them needing it and them getting it without having to get cleared before doing something they can get away with more shit and can do a lot of things DEVGRU can’t do in the same time and without the prior approval.. If you want someone killed send DEVGRU If you need the enemy neutralized and rescue a hostage and can’t afford to take chances on the hostage possibly taking some slugs or dying in the operation then you send The Unit.
Had a friend of mine (former Marine) asked me to do a mini triathlon for the Make a Wish Foundation. At every interval there'd be someone saying "good job 👍 keep going!" Or people clapping (mostly) all along the way. (Felt good actually). The SECOND i noticed i was separated from the group with no one watching: I'd pause, stare out at the beautiful view thinking 🤔 "you should keep going to make better time.," Then: ""Whats the rush? Enjoy the view." (Ferris Bueler type quotes going through my mind). Id see someone around the bend and BAM: back in the racce. Not wanting anyone to see me taking a breather. Group activity seriously makes a huge difference in perspective and performance.
Because of social dynamics people often find beating others and competition as a better motivator than when you are alone and have to pull that motivation from inside of you.
@@45122 the friend (marine) I went with had his appendix burst a month out. And broke two ribs a week before the race. Couldn’t believe he still went through with it. Hats off to anyone with that mentality.
Sucked at the run in Boot Camp. Was a usual straggler. One day, our Yeoman said, "Mc... why don't you run up front with RPOC and I?". We did a 10:30 and Mile and a half. 🦾🦍🫡
Detailed Comparison and Analysis of Selection Processes for SEAL Team 6 (DEVGRU) and Delta Force (CAG) Introduction SEAL Team 6, officially known as the Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU), and Delta Force, officially the 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta (CAG), are two of the most elite units within the United States Special Operations Forces. Operating under the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), these Tier 1 units are tasked with critical missions, including counter-terrorism operations, hostage rescues, and clandestine warfare. While both units share similar operational objectives, their selection processes, candidate prerequisites, and training methods differ significantly. This analysis explores these distinctions and clarifies common misconceptions. Understanding the Tier System in U.S. Special Operations Tier 1 Units: - Definition: The most elite units tasked with high-priority missions under JSOC, often involving counter-terrorism and direct action missions. - Examples: Delta Force (CAG) and SEAL Team 6 (DEVGRU). Tier 2 Units: - Definition: Highly capable units that support Tier 1 missions and conduct specialized operations, managed under their service branches. - Examples: Regular SEAL Teams, Army Special Forces (Green Berets), and Army Rangers. The Tier system indicates operational roles, not necessarily the nature of selection and training processes. Selection Process and Training for SEAL Team 6 (DEVGRU) Candidate Requirements: - Experience and Evaluation: Candidates must be active-duty Navy SEALs with a minimum of five years of service, ensuring they have proven operational experience in combat. - Recommendations and Security Clearance: Candidates need endorsements from superiors and must pass thorough security checks due to the sensitive nature of DEVGRU's missions. Selection Process (Green Team): - Duration and Structure: The Green Team program lasts about six months, focusing on refining advanced skills. - Close Quarters Battle (CQB): Emphasizes operating effectively in confined environments. - Parachute Operations: Includes HAHO and HALO techniques for covert infiltrations. - Specialized Skills: Covers precision shooting, advanced reconnaissance, and underwater operations. - Attrition Rate: Around 50% of candidates fail, reflecting the high standards of DEVGRU. Selection Process and Training for Delta Force (CAG) Candidate Requirements: - Diverse Candidate Pool: Open to all branches of the U.S. Armed Forces, favoring those with special operations backgrounds but not requiring it. - Physical and Psychological Demands: Selection tests physical endurance and psychological resilience, critical for the following training phases. Selection Process: - Initial Selection: Lasts about 28 days and focuses on individual endurance, navigation, and survival skills, with an attrition rate exceeding 90%. - Operator Training Course (OTC): Lasts 6 to 18 months, covering CQB, marksmanship, demolitions, and other specialized tactics. Fewer candidates drop out during this stage. Key Differences Between the Selection Processes Candidate Backgrounds: - DEVGRU: Draws candidates exclusively from experienced Navy SEALs. - Delta Force: Open to a diverse military background, requiring the selection process to standardize varying skills. Duration and Structure of Training: - DEVGRU: The Green Team combines selection and advanced training into a six-month course. - Delta Force: Begins with a short, intense selection phase followed by a longer, advanced training course (OTC). Focus of Selection: - DEVGRU: Focuses on integrating advanced tactical skills early in the selection process. - Delta Force: Emphasizes physical and mental endurance first, followed by tactical training. Attrition Rates: - DEVGRU: About 50% of candidates fail during the Green Team program. - Delta Force: Over 90% drop out during the initial selection, with a lower attrition rate during OTC. Clarification and Correction of Dale Comstock’s Assertion Dale Comstock, a former Delta Force operator, argued that Delta Force selection is more demanding because it is individual-focused, while BUD/S is team-based. This claim overlooks key aspects: Collective Selection in BUD/S: - Individual Challenges: BUD/S includes individual tests like "Drown Proofing" and "Pool Competency" that assess endurance under extreme conditions. - Stress and Isolation: Candidates face sleep deprivation, cold exposure, and rigorous physical tasks that test individual resilience. Candidate Age and Experience: - BUD/S: Candidates are often younger, generally in their 20s, whereas Delta Force candidates tend to be older with more military experience. Both selections, however, focus on individual resilience and independent operation. Individual vs. Group Testing: - Delta Force emphasizes solo navigation and survival tasks. - BUD/S challenges candidates individually within team-oriented settings, aiming to develop versatile operators. Conclusion on the Assertion: - Both processes demand high individual performance. Comstock's claim underestimates the individual challenges in BUD/S. Further Analysis and Refutation of Incomparability Claims Considering Tier Designations Logical Error: Tier Status as Basis for Incomparability - The claim that Tier status makes comparisons invalid assumes that Tier designation solely dictates selection methods. However, Tier status relates to operational roles, not the nature of selection. Commonalities in Selection Objectives: - Both processes focus on identifying candidates with exceptional endurance, resilience, and the ability to operate under extreme stress. - Each program prepares candidates for advanced unit-specific training. - High attrition rates in both processes indicate the rigorous nature of their assessments. Differences Do Not Invalidate Comparisons: - Experience Levels: Delta Force tends to select more seasoned candidates, while BUD/S candidates are often younger. The methods for training these different groups can still be compared. - Training Focus: Delta Force emphasizes survival and navigation early, while BUD/S begins with team-oriented conditioning before testing individual skills. Both processes focus on individual capability at different stages. Tier Status and Selection Intensity: - Tier status does not inherently determine the difficulty of a selection process. - Many Tier 2 units have selection standards as demanding as those of Tier 1 units. - Understanding Tier 2 processes is critical as they often feed into Tier 1 selection pools, like SEALs moving to DEVGRU. Purpose of Comparison: - Identifying Best Practices: Comparing methods helps in refining assessment and training across elite units. - Operational Readiness: Both units aim to produce operators capable of complex missions, and comparing processes reveals how different methods achieve similar ends. Conclusion The selection processes for SEAL Team 6 (DEVGRU) and Delta Force (CAG) are tailored to produce elite operators capable of undertaking the most sensitive and dangerous missions. Differences include candidate backgrounds, training duration, and focus: - DEVGRU recruits experienced SEALs and integrates advanced training early. - Delta Force accepts a broader range of candidates, focusing on physical and mental endurance before specialized training. Both units maintain high standards and share an emphasis on resilience and capability. Misconceptions about the superiority of one process over the other ignore the shared challenges each unit faces. By analyzing both, we appreciate the varied approaches to creating top-tier special operators. The rigorous nature of both DEVGRU and Delta Force selections reflects their critical roles in national security, highlighting the dedication and excellence required for such elite service.
I believe you underestimate the nature of being on your own from the start. It’s easier for you to use someone else quitting as motivation to continue. It’s easier for you to peg someone as a quitter and watch them stay in it and use that as a motivation to continue. In a solo course you see individuals in the beginning you may see individuals in between RV points; however, you don’t know how many points they have collected, if they are lost, did they come from the point you are attempting to find. You have to stay focused on you and your efforts.
@@jimpowell2296 what is missing is from this discussion is DEV does not have an A & S. Their (DEV) idea is guys have already been through BUD/S therefore no need for an additional A & S. It is more of a reputation and capacity screening. Green Team is only comparable to OTC. That’s it. This is why Comstock is comparing A&S with BUD/S.
i was an anglico marine JTAC and FCT Chief attached to and fought alonside Green Berets from 5th and 7th group during 04/05 Central-South Iraq AO, i was also part of a an intial group of 4 anglico marines place into the Q course as students in Phase 4 summer 2003 as an attachement to the intial oporder, to see if we could seemlessly integrate with ODAs (which we did, and passed all instructor and student peer evals). Hands down i will choose SF/Delta any day of the week over SEALS.
Some of the reason's for the huge difference in training and selection is that Delta is more focused on looking for a specific type of individual. The physical aspect is almost just a side aspect in that they are more interested in the person's ability to function alone and the mental toughness. All the elite units have an aspect of this but the physical resilience is at the forefront. That factors in why Delta doesn't say , this is the standard, this is what you must do. You could pass in the physical challenges but not be what they are looking for in mental toughness or some other aspect. With all the differences, they are all good and each has their mission that is needed.
Hardest selection depends on individual. Some exceed in cold water where some exceed in rucking. Some exceed in individual exercises where some exceed in team exercises.
I believe its a processes that Delta uses that knows what a guy is made of, that is not totally physically based. They have a panel of Hannebel Lector level psychologist out there who look at these factors in Delta Selection. As everyone Delta interviewed who were once instructors claim no one knows these mystery requirements. I think we had it passed to us from the SAS's super secret psychologist.
I'm 43, I'm not SF material but being alone for Delta selection sounds appealing to me, and working by yourself also sounds cool. I live off grid and tried the mountain man lifestyle for a year. I still say SAPPER school and Delta selection sounds so intriguing to me. 😂 I enjoyed this commentary
But here is the thing, yes the selection is based on your own but they already expect you to play well with others and work well as a team. That should already be given. While other selections like army SF and regular seal selection will really focus and hammer teamwork makes the dream work on you. Yes there will be parts where you have to do on your own like land nav in pitch dark and ruck marching. When it comes to the tactical stuff they will drill team into it. You can be a stand alone stud and breeze thru delta selection and not make it. They literally have a draft pick selection if you make it and the guys in charge of a squadron makes the decision if you will be good fit for that team or not. So if you are that type to say “I can work on a team but I work better alone” delta will say thank you for trying out and send you on your way. Hell they might not even say thank you, they will just send you on a bus to go home without a word. So you saying you aren’t SF material Forsure means you are not Delta material as well. Army SF is more bias as they would prefer you come from a line infantry, ranger unit, or combat arms mos. Delta selection doesn’t care. You can be a cook or mechanic in the army and try out for delta.
Buds is just selection process for regular Seal. Their real training is after Buds which is SQT. For Devgru it’s Green Team. Any Tier 1 in the Army, Navy and Air Force must know this because they all work together under JSOC. This guy makes the whole Tier 1 look misinformed just to pad himself in the back.
I had a dream of going to SF when I was AD Army between 1997-2005, but they said I had to get my citizenship first, so that precluded me from dropping a packet. To add, ever since I was a little boy growing up in Jamaica, I always dreamed of becoming a mechanical design engineer, so I pursued that instead of SF after I got my citizenship in the early 2000s. This was after they made citizenship pretty much automatic if you were in the military due to all those green card holders getting killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, I have been a mechanical engineer for over 15 years thanks to using up all my G.I. Bill. I am also in the Air National Guard as a Captain, so life is good and I still get to serve and live the military life to an extent. To get my hardcore fix, I work out hard, study stoicism, do self defense, and go to the range.
To answer your question jay, The only thing that is team based in buds is Hell Week and prior. There are individual test gates prior to hell week too like runs, swims, knot tying, drown proofing and more. Everything after hell week, you travel together as a class everywhere and still get beat together when class gets in trouble but everything is individual based. Pool comp, Ocean dives (which is basically underwater land navigation in the dark), land navigation (individual), pistol qual, rifle qual (individual). All these events, if failed in 2 back to back classes will get you dropped.
People confuse Assessment and Selection with “the Pipeline.” They are TOTALLY DIFFERENT!!! A&S exists solely to weed out the quitters, the unprepared, the unmotivated and the immature; period. They want you to quit in A&S so you don’t quit after they’ve poured money and time into you. “The pipeline” is your entire training program.
SF and Delta adapted the Silent Treatment from the SAS. All others scream and yell the whole time. SF tried it pre-SFAS before 1990. A pre-ranger style selection called SFOT (aka Special Forms of Torture). They found many individuals who can deal with yelling and screaming did not do well in the SF Teams, SFAS was created. That inner voice is the biggest A-hole you have ever known. But I learned something contracting in Afghanistan. No one talks about the SDV SEALs, my buddy said they were the SEALs that other SEALs avoided! First they have to qualify on every task as every other SEAL, but as other SEALs go home after work. They have to stay and train extra and clean equipment 10x more on all their mini-sub bullshit. Their mission is super cold and wet, if not cramped into a submarine most of the time then its stuffed in a giant dildo. Their angry all the time because they don't get the sexy lifestyle and little time off. Their job sucks and their totally getting divorced. And he said there was a affect of being on pure Oxygen for long periods that effects them like 'Roid Rage'. So all they wont to do when they are off is drink and fight everyone, even other SEALs.
There's not much known or described in detail about green team because only seals can try out for it. Because delta recruits from all military branches, a lot is know about their selection.
@@deathfire096What Dale said makes sense. Clearly he isn't at all jealous. No one from delta joins the navy to be frogmen but frogmen definitely crossover to join delta.
BUD/S and SFAS do some things similar to CAG selection… but it’s kiddie pool by comparison. SFAS you run the Star Course and it’s a 10 hour land nav test.. CAG land nav test takes days… you have no idea how many points there will even be maybe there’s 4 maybe 6 or 10 no idea…. You have no idea how good or bad you’re doing until you’re either done or someone drives by in a truck and tells you to hop in…. And I bet there’s some mind games with that…. You may be doing just fine and they just pull up and say, “throw your stuff in the back and hop in just to see if you’ll do it….” Quitting without realizing you’re quitting….
My SFAS class we had guys who almost made Delta Selections so they came to SFAS sure to make it. The stuff they talked about was definitely strange, very PsyOp stuff. One guy kept track in SFAS and measured out to be on average 40 kilometers a day marching over flat NC. The Delta Selections guys said they marched 40 MILES a day! Over three states, mostly West Virginia!!! We said you would come out of SFAS limping or maybe on crutches. They said you were going to come out of Delta Selection on crutches if not in a wheelchair for a while!
Comparing BUDS with DELTA selection is a mischaracterization. BUDS is entry-level. DELTA selection is for an experienced operator already at the top of their game - Ranger, SF, Raider, etc. (yes, they draw from all services). DEVGRU (ST6) would be the appropriate comparison for DELTA selection.
Correction. Delta Force Selection is the longest and varies in time. Because at any point of time After being selected for Delta. The Black Van of Death can claim you. Because… You lost that loving feeling. Now it’s gone. Gone. Gone.
Paul Howe compared Ranger School, other special operations selections with Delta Selection. He said the main difference is that Delta Selection is largely individual. BUDS do diving and you navigate underwater. Navigating underwater is challenging especially murky water.
Juxtaposing BUDS to Delta selection helps Dale tell his personal journey because they are not equivalent courses. Would be interested to hear more about Team 6 selection to compare, but I bet they give away secrets.
We all know the saying very well: "loudest one in the room is the weakest one, the quietest one in the room is most dangerousone" To put this saying into this context: the loudest group in US military is SEAL TEAM (mouthing off their military services, through books, movies, and also spreading lies) While on the other hand, DELTA FORCE is the most quiet and secretive group in the military. Their operations/ stories are not told in the public domain. That being said: WE ALL CAN AGREE THAT DELTA FORCE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST, PROPELLED UP TO THE TOP AS THE ONLY TIP OF THE SPEAR.
The different approach to selection about Delta, Devgru, SaS & even SF is the fact there is no yelling, hazing, getting smoked,etc.They calmly tell you to do something...and watch🙄
Remember buds training is not pooling in elite solder... Delta is taking the best of the best and then weeding out the superstars looking for the Gods.
Jesus ! Can’t you read? You don’t compare Delta selection to BUDs but to Devgru, which is Green Team. You have to be an elite soldier for Delta selection and you have to be an elite Seal to be consider for Green Team. Why is so hard to comprehend? 😂
@@henrymoore748 tell that to the guy on the video. He was a Tier 1 from the Army under JSOC but doesn’t know the pipeline for the other Tier 1. If he thinks the training for Tier 1 in the Navy is Buds then what can We say? 😂
BUDS is a team event. But other people influencing you to not quit goes both ways. Having the class leader quit tends to cause a cascade of other people quitting per cadre.
Jay it is a group but I will tell you that you are on your own, because no one will stop you from quitting so it is solitude. But that on your own happens out at Luguna in the mountains. Maybe 15k a day land nav
There are 5 tier one units in the military. You can look these up. 1. ST6 (DEVGRU) 2. Delta Force (CAG) 3. 24th Special Tactics Squadron 4. Regimental Reconnaissance Company (RRC) 5.intelligence Support Activity (ISA). So, it would make sense to compare these tier one units. Since they are tier 1 units they are very, very good at what they do. As I understand it there are different parts of all these units.
ST-6, Delta and Two Four STS have Green Teams for training (re-training, I think its a year non-deployable probationary period) up to their standard. Yes some fail it but I would not call them a selection. The 160th SOAR has a Green Platoon (more of a training/selection). RRC is just the cream of the crop from the entire Ranger Regiment (Don't forget RMIB is Tier One and a serious competitor of ISA). ISA is a hybrid Aviation/Intel unit with shooters, 160th and Delta are hand selected to go there, for Delta guys its a vacation. See Movie Green Zone. Also CIA SAD (Special Activities Division) was a mix of Ground Branch guys also Tier One but are mostly all ex-Tier One guys. Example guy in movie Sicario. The FBI HRT Team is sort of Tier One, they hit targets downrange with SMUs, Tier One can joint as walk on designated shooters and not go to the Quantico FBI Academy. Too bad there used to be a DIA 'Defense HUMMIT Agency', or confusingly also called DHS. They went to the 'CIA Farm' training but were military enlisted, officer and civilians all on equal status. See Movie Extreme Prejudice. They worked under cover rank, identities and alias. I thought they were much better than CIA operatives but much less supported.
The hardest selection process for Tier 2 is BUDs for all branches. Now We can have a discussion which selection process for Tier 1 is harder. Green Team for Devgru or for Delta. I personally think both are equally hard and demanding.
@@TheIcup24 Wrong. They get weekend off in phase 1 and 2. The last phase 3 in San Clemente Island is 2 months of land warfare with no breaks. That’s were they have to do the 5 mile swim at night in the ocean with the sharks. Can you name any other tier 2 selection that long and harder?😊
@@TheIcup24explain in details. I’m reading that their selection process is 5 days at FT. Moore then Mata training which is 6 weeks. That’s 7 weeks together. Can you add what I’m missing? I’m not familiar.
Name 1. If you make it to DEVGRU, they are not going to let you transfer to Delta because you are under contract and it doesn't make any career sense going from Tier 1 to Tier 1. Delta can't go to Devgru because there is no path, is not allowed. So stop writing clueless posts and join the military already and stop being a cheerleader.
From what I’ve heard, knowing both entities, once seals get passed hell week, they begin training to be a seal. Until that point it’s about not quitting and pushing through and yes it continues after hell week but you are actually training to be a seal once passed hell week. From speaking to seals that, at the very beginning you are around a bunch of guys who don’t know a lot about combat. Green berets have to be selected after 21 days and if selected they then begin their training to become a green beret. In selection, you are required to know how to conduct specific tasks that are pass/fail events and you are graded essentially. Being the army, it’s more common to have people of all ranks and mos’s that relate more to combat jobs. Example being rangers going over to SF. Both serve a specific task so I think it’s pointless to say which is harder. SMU (special missions unit formally CAG/Delta) and Seal team 6 (DEVGRU) are more of a Department of Defense entity versus branch specific. Both belong to their respective departments but are utilized across the entire DOD mission sets. Love the videos. Keep it up.
Delta Force selection is orders of magnitude tougher than SEAL/SEAL TEAM 6 or any other group. As a start, Delta is much smaller than SEALS, simply being selected to go through Delta selection makes you a unique individual. Delta does not graduate schools or classes per se, they are looking for few individuals each year.
That's just a lowsy opinion, you haven't been through both of them so calm down. Alot of former devgru guys said their selection is a lot harder than BUD/S.
@@rickhunter7443 just delete this bro...u said his opinion was lousy bc he didnt do it then brought up DEVGRU vs BUDS. DEVGRU already been through BUDS so of course its gonna be harder. DELTA Force(Army) is harder than DEVGRU and BUDS(Navy)
@@piscesnocapkage96 I've watched plenty of Shawn Ryan podcasts. According to the guys, every devgru guys said green team is brutal or its buds times 100. You do a lot of cqb house runs and can't screw up or they'll drop you. Delta guys have said their selection is hard but when you get to OTC they’re likey to not let you go which is weird. Green team treats you like you’re an operator and hammer you to see if you do the job efficiently under stress but a delta said OTC they treat you like you’ve never shot a gun before and there's no hazing. I'm literally just repeating what I heard.
I feel like BUDs would be physically harder on the body than SFAS and Delta Force Selection. But it would be harder to get picked to become a Green Beret or Delta Force dude. Don't know, I'm just a Marine grunt
@@michaelmurray6351 That is your opinion, saying Delta is much tougher is I think foolish to say. In all the things I have read it seems BUDS is the toughest initial test of all.
I think they are regular SEALs, if they show maturity and pay attention in training, they're in! That's what fails most of them, they don't 're-Hell Week' them. Its a gentleman's course like OTC with super high standards you can't mess up. There is no BUDs screaming and yelling in the Green Teams or OTC, its all probation.
Delta is a tier 1 unit, BUD/s is basically Navy rangers, but for some reason people have an inferiority complex and go after SEALs because they feel like they need to put another group down because it makes them feel good about themselves. If you are comparing CAG to anything, compare it to DEVGRU
Don't know how the SEAL landnav evolution is run or evaluated, but the course is at Camp Billy Machen next to Slab City / Siphon 8 training area and it is an open desert with rocky mountain outcroppings making navigation more of a terrain association test than actual land nav or precision. East Coast land nav with lots of forest cover, micro terrain that is not on maps, shrubs and vegetation that mess up pace counts, and lots of creeks that reshape the terrain but are not caught on maps is much more challenging. I imagine that Delta selection is in similar terrain.
All the BUD/s swims are done individually obviously, and BUD/s is just Phase 1 of the selection process, there are two more phases which may result in you not getting selected as a SEAL and getting your Trident
What you should do is see if you can reach out to Kevin Holland who was a former DEVGRU SEAL and a former CAG Operator, he went through BUDS, GREEN TEAM Selection (DEVGRU SELECTION), got out of the Navy pre 911, then after the events of 911 kicking off he came back in did CAG (SELECTION) got put on a SABER TEAM the guy would probably be the best source if you wanted to find out what the no shit differences are. I know there is an overlap for operators who didn’t come from SF ODA’s they have to participate in courses with standard Tier 2 Green Berets to introduce them to Asymmetric warfare like the Exercise Robin Sage. I believe if there is any interview, you can do with anybody that will set these gentlemen up for success and paint a mental picture for the route they want to take that would be the guy to interview because he has done both. To my knowledge, he is the only operator to serve in two Tier 1 units.
Holland was DEVGRU pre-war so he didn't do combat deployments as he did with Delta. Apples and oranges. After 9/11, the military change and the funding. Best comparison is Devgru vs Delta after 9/11.
Each guy is like a mixed bag. More than half of Delta came from the ol'boy Ranger Battalions. Army LRS has a high success rate. The number of SF Medics, Commo and Demo guys fills to the highest the standard for those skills. But they do tend to send their other than SF guys to the SF Phase-2, 18-B Weapons Course a lot. Its a short way to take a break without the TDY pay to send them off Ft.Bragg. Them knowing to operate every weapon in the world and even some FDC is useful for indirect fire. In the three main portions of the Q-course, Delta Selection far exceeds SFAS, And their mission specific OTC checks the block on needing Robin Sage. I think they can actually get their Green Beret from it, but not sure about the language capability to get the SF Tab? Kevin Holland has a Green Beret and you know there is no other way he could have done it.
I disagree, BUDs is physically the hardest of them all. It can differ in difficulties between people's abilities. No one has long heavy marching as Ranger/SF/Delta congruently either. CCT/PJs are considered equals on SEAL teams but AFSOC/SF SCUBA is in Key West Florida. SEALs do everything in the cold ass Pacific and still have to go swim naked in Alaska for SQT Arctic training! Cold water suffering has to go to the SEALs every time, some can do it, some of the strongest guys you ever see can't do cold water. There are puggie guys in SF, their power is in their brains. Until a SF guy has been cumulatively; a Medic in a CIF Company, with HALO and SCUBA on his chest, not in the Slipstream with product of some of the other SOF Programs, but you got to love the old school SF guys. I heard it said; Pipeline guys are Jock Soldiers, SF/Ranger are Blue Collar commandos.
Is BUDS longer because they have to teach sailors how to be soldiers first? As in teaching them basic infantry tactics which many, if not most, SF/Ranger/Delta recruits already know?
Buds is their training too. Don’t mix up the additional year for Special Forces. Make the difference Buds is not longer than the total Delta course or Special Forces. Not sure why you didn’t make that obvious point.
After selection you still have OTC for delta as well. The whole process takes a good chunk of time. Another thing is delta selection is busting the balls of SF guys and Rangers for the most part. Not some fit 18-24 year olds fresh out of Navy boot. These two shouldn’t even be mentioned together.
BUDS is 6 months and Delta Force Selection is 28 days. He's comparing a tier 2 selection with a tier 1 selection (apples to oranges). Not your best upload, lends to misinformation for the less discerning audience...
I had a guy from my unit when I PCS'd to my duty station in Fort Irwin in 2000. He was pretty young and he passed Delta, then just as quick, he disappeared and nobody spoke of him again. Then in 2002, there was some orientation that came to base for male soldiers to consider trying out. I didn't get to go, because my unit was full of Blue Falcons. But being open like that, I don't believe it was the real deal. I did get a call at my CP. The initials of the outfit was CG or CO. Don't know how they got my info as I was just an average E-5. Well, they offered me to try out for something non-specific, but I declined, stating I was in the process of getting medically discharged for a back injury, stimming from when I tried out for SFAS.
@@warlord562 I went to SFAS, but injuring my back ended my career. By the time the guy called I was already out processing. As far as my unit went, they were dirty LARPers and guys who wanted to sunset their careers into retirement doing nothing. To make a long story short, these dudes were LARPers in uniform, but never wanted to go to war, so they would extend their stay each year to avoid going to the field like every other Infantryman in military. And I was the guy that reminded the young ones they can't do 20 years at a non-deployable base. G.W. Bush made them eat crow at the swipe of pen 2 years later, sending their butts to Iraq, where they lost a few men BSing. And since I was all about training, they kept trying to screw me over for 2.5 years.
Your opening statement tells me everything I needed to hear 🤣 I told you bro the entire field is TOXIC as fuck!!! Look at the comments on this video 😂 all toxic shit.
delta is the top. dont know much about 24th Special Tactics Squadron tho. also the russian special forces is freaking nuts, like really dangerous from what i have heard. and being canadian i also heard jtf2 is pretty ruff as well.
In the SF FOB in Afghanistan we had six forging SpecOps units with us in 2002. CanSOF TF-2 (Equivalent to their SEALs+Delta), German KSK (their Delta), Norwegian SF and SEALS, Danish SF and NZ SAS. All Tier One units of the world cross train together, Canada's JTF-2 being one of the newest SMUs in the world, took knowledge form the others equally without their individual cultures clouding it we have. They were so good, they were even writing SOPs that Delta adopted. It was my buddy Rocky a TF-2 Sniper who invented the school for the Tier One dogs you see everywhere now.
Buds is longer but u get nights and weekends off. Green team, apparently is just a cqb course beginning with crawl, walk, run style training. I suspect they also get nights and weekends off.
Dale has no idea about Green team for Devgru selection??? 🤣🤣🤣 That's hilarious he doenst know the difference between white side tier 3 seal teams and then the tier 1 seal team which is devgru.
Neither does the other guy. When you compare Delta selection to Buds, you shouldn't make any kind of videos about Tier 1. By the way, for Seal Team 6, it's Green Team. That is as hard or harder selection than Delta because they add the ocean.
Let’s start here. Why is that yes you’ll hear Team Guys talk about how hard their BUD/S class but yet they never say oh it’s better than SFAS. If anything 98% of the NAVY side praise the Green side. But yet every SF guy on TH-cam Minus (Jack Murphy) talk shit about SEALs and why you’re better. Honestly listen to them and they say my class sucked not you guys sucked. That’s what makes it sound like jealousy. Now BUD/S is six months and yes you get out in a boat crew but your boat crew doesn’t PT for you. Every week you have times runs timed swims gotta run the O Course and that’s timed. Pool comp you get tested on that in second phase(how many SF dudes fail CDQC?) there is Land Nav at island during third phase there is a 12 miler in third phase (mind you third phase is 40 days long on a island away from the training command so you get kicked in the dick all day long. DEVGRU and 1stSFOD are what you need to compare. And even still green team navy version is about a year that’s like OTC and it’s all individual. They are different pipelines and you sound like little kids talking shit. Yes I am in the NAVY and I’m at a certain command and yes I’m actually considering going AG for a chance to go to SFAS at 41 but I wouldn’t talk shit. Enough already.
BUDS mostly screens out people in Phase I and Phase II. But people can and do get evicted from BUDS or SQT all along the line. But like Ranger Regiment, the fact that you wake up as a member of the organization does not mean that you'll end the day as a member of the organization if your performance doesn't measure up.
They consider seal selection harder than army SF due to one part and it’s the swimming part. If you can’t swim ya u are more likely to freak out under water but that’s the only thing u can say is harder. If everyone knew how to swim then it’s about the same. Had I stayed in the army for 10 plus years, I would have definitely cross over to the unconventional side. My high speed just happened to have an expiration date and that was 4.5 years. Nowadays u have programs as a civilian to help you prepare yourself to succeed in SF selection. If they had that back in 06 I would have been highly motivated to go thru that process. To me that’s like a cheat sheet that I can take advantage of. Only thing they had back then was go find SF recruiter on base, get a form and have approval from your unit to do log PT in the mornings away from your unit. I don’t want to disrespect the SF community by saying I would have been SF but I would say i definitely would have love my chances of making it through selection had I have all the resources they have now for civilians coming off the streets. Dales point about drawing motivation from others is spot on. I’m an extrovert so I tend to feed off peoples energy or so I been told that. Hell I had to learn how to draw motivation from false motivation to get through times in the army. There was a time i tried to drop a selection packet and considered trying out but was told re enlist and I get my wishes. I would never ever want to think about delta selection, I already know I would never want to attempt that long walk. Pay me a million and I would attempt it but trying out just for a chance to be a full on assault unit to go kill bad guys for my country? No thank you.
OK, But Screw that! I did the Q-Course just fine, I can swim like a fish, It's the DAMN COLD Water! In the Alaskan Airborne we had do river crossings. All waters in Alaska are glacier feed, even in 80deg summer. That was bad enough, SEALs have to be cold and wet all the time!
@@patwxdaddy u gotta remember some people never was taught to swim so going into it they would freak out. Swimming is a life lesson that I believe every child should be taught. I learned how to swim when I was 7-8. The last lesson to pass was I had to jump in a 12 foot end pool with clothes on. Then had to take off my pants, tie each end to make a litttle floatation device. Had I not learned how to swim at an early age I would freak under water. But ya if everyone knew how to swim, buds and SF selection is both tough. One is not harder than the other. Both is made to get u to quit and if u have that can’t stop won’t stop mentality, your success rate is going to be higher than others. Were u a first time go for selection? What part was the most struggle for you?
Bro I hate to burst many ppl bubble but you can’t compare devgru to delta. Why because every seal has the capability to be part of devgru and depending on your stats you’ll get picked to be part of green team which is basically a glorified waiting list to get picked for devgru and even then you have to go on mission with devgru and audition the best example I can give is the show Seal Team which mostly get everything right about naval special operators. Then also add in the fact Delta has the capacity to recruit from any branch from all units but primarily pick from army rangers and SF green berets due to organizational differences which makes it an easier process for recruits vs having to re teach an individual(s) on how shit work in their organization of the armed forces
Starting to become a bit tangential. Two different pipelines to get to DevGru, the first is Buds to go to conventional, the second is Green Team to go to 6.
to add, it's BUDS and then SQT to go conventional SEALs. That's over a year to get your Trident. For Devgru is Green Team. On a note: To land at DEVGRU you have pass BUDS ,SQT and Green Team during the pipeline. You can't skip the first two to get to Green Team.
Devgru’s selection I heard is 6-9 months long, way harder than BUD/S. Its all about house runs, shooting and being an effective operator. You get yelled at and do tired drags and ladder climbs in full gear. Instructors mess with you basically. Delta OTC they treat it like you've never shot a gun before, there’s no hazing but the standards are still high. I hear that once you reach OTC they will likely not drop you. I watched a bunch of Shawn Ryan podcast, that's how I know this. Sounds to me that Devgru’s green team they hammer you and are constantly on you but delta OTC they don't haze, but they still have high standards.
@@Karoke77 sounds good paper but it makes sense to haze. In green team they want to know how you handle stress when there’s a bunch of guys watching you from up top, making you do tire drags for no reason or tell you to take a quarter inch step to the left. It makes sense to haze in these circumstances if you want someone to be able to operate proficient in combat under stress.
@@rickhunter7443 Delta selection from what i hear is a hell of a hammer, especially, because of the long walk at the end, if you even get that far. Its the ultimate mind and body stress.
I would rather be the sorriest Seal that has ever lived, than the best Delta Force operator in the world. This Delta Force guy just doesn't get it. That ocean is the test, that ocean is the standard. Forget the enemy, that ocean at 50 degrees fahrenheit will kill you. Frolicking around in the woods with a 40 pound rucksack on your back while extremely tuff gives you life saving options when you're in danger, if you break your leg, or have a severe cut. But that ocean will just swallow you up, as though you never existed. Because of this, the team is everything, the team is the difference between life and death. You break your back while frolicking around in the woods alone, you're in deep shit. You break your back in the ocean and your team is not with you, you're dead. That Trident is the standard of special ops, period, full stop.
A lot of Army people doesn't know much outside of the Army. I was the same thing when I served in the Navy. I didn't know much about the Army or AF because is not part of the job and they will not teach it. There is a saying in the military that says: on the need to know basis.
Most people dont know the difference betweeen DEVGRU and the rest of the SEALs. Just like most people don't know about ISA...this video is for the general audience. It's a distinction without meaning in this context. 😅😅😅
BUD/S has individual evolutions just like USASOC selection courses. Also the team evolutions allows for the students to self-select. It’s just another method to get rid of dudes.
Delta selection has no individually graded group events whatsoever. You are completely alone during your tasks in selection is the major distinction and no nights or weekends off.
@@Sciences0311That’s fine. As I said before, the team evolutions in BUD/s aren’t designed to pull people through as suggested in the vid. And the last month of BUD/s on the island is 7 days a week as well.
@@ACDCluva10 The fact is you can draw inspiration from group events or it can be the reason why u quit. Watching the strongest guy quit or not quit is an advantage u dont have in delta selection. 4 months of nights and weekends off must be nice vs 28 days of no nights or weekends off and being all alone for your tasks.
@@Sciences0311 On the flip side, not having to worry about your classmates getting rid of you is a luxury of Delta selection. There’s pros and cons to both. There’s hundreds of guys who have failed BUD/S who would gladly opt for a selection system that was more individualized. And I repeat, the last month of BUD/S which is more than 28 days is essentially a 24/7 schedule. I don’t care about trying to prove which training is more hardcore than the other. I’ve only been to one so that’s all I can tell you about. My original comment was to address the inaccurate interpretation about BUD/s in the video.
@@NomadSupreme911 and Shipley covets a fellow team guys spouse, then gets a former employee a black guy arrested and it turns out his former employee didn't steal the product. Real class act with other st6 guys being pu**ies with red wings operation.
An Admiral was in charge of the AO. So they used SEALS and your not military because you would know that the Bin Laden raid considered really easy as far as missions are concerned. Soft target.
@@yankbat8481 you sound ignorant. JSOC has Devgru, Delta and ST 24 (Air Force) as Tier 1. The mission wasn’t given to ST6 because of an Admiral at JSOC since all Tier 1 are used in Tier 1 missions and all work together in some missions. It was more to do about Afghanistan and rotation without raising the red flag to Pakistan. It wasn’t an easy mission. They were going to a country without permission and that is an act of war and easily be blown out of the sky by the Pakistani Air Force. To say that was easy to do that job undetected, do the mission and return alive is ignorant. Only a Tier 1 force could have done it.
ive heared from podcast so it must be real that atleast in delta trainees goes theas timed marches ect alone and instructors keep watch and even got pre trained answers to usual questions iven my training time as conscript it was 5 months when i was redy to be Vehicle combination + apc driving course top of that its not that cheap to train some random punks so littlebit commitment must be even for conscript
I really don’t under why all these DEVGRU haters out here try to compare BUDs to Selection and OTC course for CAG. All you’re doing is showing how ignorant you are. Everybody knows that DEVGRU has its own selection process very similar to CAGs. So if you want to be fair you would compare those two processes. But the CAG guys never want to. I wonder why….
SEAL Team 6 and SEALs are often confused; people look at the most elite SEALs and attribute that to all SEALs. Guys, SEAL Team 6 is SEALs chosen from among the SEALs; Delta takes everyone else (though I’ve heard that Delta operators sometimes leave to join the Air Force’s 24th STS; can anyone confirm?)
Simple, Devgru\ST6 are Tier 1 and Delta are Tier 1. One main difference is all Devgru are Combat Divers. Only 1 of 6 Army SF are. You will never see Delta in the Fleet or in a ship ( unless taking a ride to land) let alone locking from a submarine doing a mission.
He said they were times that one guy has made it other times no one has made it. The same is true with BUDS and like other commenters have said regular seals are not tier one. I think Delta probably is better but I just think this guy is tired of Navy SEALs getting a lot of the press and they are living in his head rent free for sure.
SFAS is just assessment and selection to go attend the actual Q course, & Buds shouldn't be compared to Delta anyway...Jay you know this... every comment will repeat this
Isn’t Buds just boot camp for seals? Don’t they do a follow on individual training course? Kind of like how army has OSUT after basic and the Marines have SOI after boot camp.
@@AlaskanHulk well duh it’s not boot camp but the first word in BUDs stands for Basic. Its just a beat down not a lot of skills learned besides the basics so in a way it is seal boot camp
You seem to be confusing the selection phases with the continuation training. The SEALS drop most people in hell week. The rest is considered continuation training. Delta drops most on the 4 week selection, but they too have months more of continuation training as well. So it’s not a 28 day Vs 6 month selection comparison. Also don’t forget that Delta recruits older and more experienced soldiers Vs SEALs mostly recruit teenagers right off the street into their pipeline.
He should be comparing seal team 6 to delta force not the regular seals. They have a very similar by yourself pipeline. Just without the long ruck marching
A Tier 1 under JSOC must know the selection process for the Army and Navy since they train and work together sometimes and for Devgru is not BUDs but Green Team and there is no path for Delta to switch. It’s mind boggling how a former Tier 1 be so wrong to make his side look better.
@@tomwilson1006 more wrong info. No path from Delta to Devgru. Only Seals Tier 2 that tryout for Delta are the ones that don’t make Devgru. It’s the Seals 2nd choice to make it to Tier 1.
I World love to hear from guys who have been to both selections. Matt pranks retired delta went to buds didn’t make it. Goggins retired seal went to unit selection didn’t make it. Kevin holland was Seal team 6 and delta.
Goggins wasn’t selected for Green Team so he tryout for Delta. Holland was ST6 before the war ( peacetime). Everything change after 9/11 from training to operating missions be said you are killing people and people are trying to kill you 24/7. DJ Shipley a former ST6 said that being in the military during peace time is not the same thing as being during war. If you ever served you would understand. In peace time they just train at a slower pace with nothing on the line. During war is a different ballgame.
What's not being taken into consideration is that Delta canvas all branches of the American military for the best of the best. To be selected is an honor. Sorry Jay, there are too many fan boys out there chiming in who have no clue about true grit. Jeff M USMC occasional hero nuff said.
As former SF, you should know DEVGRU has its on training pipeline. BUDS is the basic course to become a SEAL, Green Team is where you try out for DEVGRU.
SEALS and DEVGRU are not SF they are Special Operators. Only Rangers and ODA aka Green Berets are considered Special Forces. Everyone else are Special Operations to whereas Rangers and ODA are both SF and Special Operations.
@@alanjackson4344Rangers are not SF. They're considered Special Operations like the rest outside of the Army's Special Forces Groups
I was just saying the same thing. He is comparing the regular seals to delta force.
Green Team has no actual selection. Its basically just an OTC coruse, they train you up tactically.
@@spamapam if I was young and full of c*m again, I wouldn't bother trying out for seals or st6. Every team I met as a security contractor was cocky, I liked working with retired 75th, and other SOF folks. They taught me a lot on the job, more then retired Seals.
Question.... Would it not be better to compare selection for Devgru and Delta? They are both tier one. Buds is selection for the "regular" seal teams. I think the regular seal teams are tier 2.
You would be correct ✅
BUDS is hard. After BUDS you’re not done you have to go into SQT.. DEVGRU is a whole different level above the seal teams and they have an even more grueling selection process and this is seal team guys who have been deployed and in combat already elite SOF guys and that attrition rate is very high as well
The difference between CAG and DEVGRU is that CAG takes guys from all over and DEVGRU only takes guys already on seal teams.
Both DEVGRU and CAG are tier 1
Delta is said to be the older more professional guys who don’t want any of the glory and do not want or care to go around and tell everyone about what they did/do and delta from what I’ve seen has way more pull and resources and overall funding. DEVGRU is up there as well and has good funding but I don’t think DEVGRU guys have the amount of resources at their disposal at any given time and by this I mean them needing it and them getting it without having to get cleared before doing something they can get away with more shit and can do a lot of things DEVGRU can’t do in the same time and without the prior approval..
If you want someone killed send DEVGRU
If you need the enemy neutralized and rescue a hostage and can’t afford to take chances on the hostage possibly taking some slugs or dying in the operation then you send The Unit.
Its crazy how often I hear this comparison. It’s literally like comparing Rangers/RASP to Delta
Had a friend of mine (former Marine) asked me to do a mini triathlon for the Make a Wish Foundation. At every interval there'd be someone saying "good job 👍 keep going!" Or people clapping (mostly) all along the way. (Felt good actually). The SECOND i noticed i was separated from the group with no one watching: I'd pause, stare out at the beautiful view thinking 🤔 "you should keep going to make better time.," Then: ""Whats the rush? Enjoy the view." (Ferris Bueler type quotes going through my mind). Id see someone around the bend and BAM: back in the racce. Not wanting anyone to see me taking a breather. Group activity seriously makes a huge difference in perspective and performance.
Because of social dynamics people often find beating others and competition as a better motivator than when you are alone and have to pull that motivation from inside of you.
"mini triathlon" this is baseline to what this or any selection program is sketching up.
@@45122 the friend (marine) I went with had his appendix burst a month out. And broke two ribs a week before the race. Couldn’t believe he still went through with it. Hats off to anyone with that mentality.
Sucked at the run in Boot Camp. Was a usual straggler. One day, our Yeoman said, "Mc... why don't you run up front with RPOC and I?". We did a 10:30 and Mile and a half. 🦾🦍🫡
Detailed Comparison and Analysis of Selection Processes for SEAL Team 6 (DEVGRU) and Delta Force (CAG)
Introduction
SEAL Team 6, officially known as the Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU), and Delta Force, officially the 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta (CAG), are two of the most elite units within the United States Special Operations Forces. Operating under the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), these Tier 1 units are tasked with critical missions, including counter-terrorism operations, hostage rescues, and clandestine warfare. While both units share similar operational objectives, their selection processes, candidate prerequisites, and training methods differ significantly. This analysis explores these distinctions and clarifies common misconceptions.
Understanding the Tier System in U.S. Special Operations
Tier 1 Units:
- Definition: The most elite units tasked with high-priority missions under JSOC, often involving counter-terrorism and direct action missions.
- Examples: Delta Force (CAG) and SEAL Team 6 (DEVGRU).
Tier 2 Units:
- Definition: Highly capable units that support Tier 1 missions and conduct specialized operations, managed under their service branches.
- Examples: Regular SEAL Teams, Army Special Forces (Green Berets), and Army Rangers.
The Tier system indicates operational roles, not necessarily the nature of selection and training processes.
Selection Process and Training for SEAL Team 6 (DEVGRU)
Candidate Requirements:
- Experience and Evaluation: Candidates must be active-duty Navy SEALs with a minimum of five years of service, ensuring they have proven operational experience in combat.
- Recommendations and Security Clearance: Candidates need endorsements from superiors and must pass thorough security checks due to the sensitive nature of DEVGRU's missions.
Selection Process (Green Team):
- Duration and Structure: The Green Team program lasts about six months, focusing on refining advanced skills.
- Close Quarters Battle (CQB): Emphasizes operating effectively in confined environments.
- Parachute Operations: Includes HAHO and HALO techniques for covert infiltrations.
- Specialized Skills: Covers precision shooting, advanced reconnaissance, and underwater operations.
- Attrition Rate: Around 50% of candidates fail, reflecting the high standards of DEVGRU.
Selection Process and Training for Delta Force (CAG)
Candidate Requirements:
- Diverse Candidate Pool: Open to all branches of the U.S. Armed Forces, favoring those with special operations backgrounds but not requiring it.
- Physical and Psychological Demands: Selection tests physical endurance and psychological resilience, critical for the following training phases.
Selection Process:
- Initial Selection: Lasts about 28 days and focuses on individual endurance, navigation, and survival skills, with an attrition rate exceeding 90%.
- Operator Training Course (OTC): Lasts 6 to 18 months, covering CQB, marksmanship, demolitions, and other specialized tactics. Fewer candidates drop out during this stage.
Key Differences Between the Selection Processes
Candidate Backgrounds:
- DEVGRU: Draws candidates exclusively from experienced Navy SEALs.
- Delta Force: Open to a diverse military background, requiring the selection process to standardize varying skills.
Duration and Structure of Training:
- DEVGRU: The Green Team combines selection and advanced training into a six-month course.
- Delta Force: Begins with a short, intense selection phase followed by a longer, advanced training course (OTC).
Focus of Selection:
- DEVGRU: Focuses on integrating advanced tactical skills early in the selection process.
- Delta Force: Emphasizes physical and mental endurance first, followed by tactical training.
Attrition Rates:
- DEVGRU: About 50% of candidates fail during the Green Team program.
- Delta Force: Over 90% drop out during the initial selection, with a lower attrition rate during OTC.
Clarification and Correction of Dale Comstock’s Assertion
Dale Comstock, a former Delta Force operator, argued that Delta Force selection is more demanding because it is individual-focused, while BUD/S is team-based. This claim overlooks key aspects:
Collective Selection in BUD/S:
- Individual Challenges: BUD/S includes individual tests like "Drown Proofing" and "Pool Competency" that assess endurance under extreme conditions.
- Stress and Isolation: Candidates face sleep deprivation, cold exposure, and rigorous physical tasks that test individual resilience.
Candidate Age and Experience:
- BUD/S: Candidates are often younger, generally in their 20s, whereas Delta Force candidates tend to be older with more military experience. Both selections, however, focus on individual resilience and independent operation.
Individual vs. Group Testing:
- Delta Force emphasizes solo navigation and survival tasks.
- BUD/S challenges candidates individually within team-oriented settings, aiming to develop versatile operators.
Conclusion on the Assertion:
- Both processes demand high individual performance. Comstock's claim underestimates the individual challenges in BUD/S.
Further Analysis and Refutation of Incomparability Claims Considering Tier Designations
Logical Error: Tier Status as Basis for Incomparability
- The claim that Tier status makes comparisons invalid assumes that Tier designation solely dictates selection methods. However, Tier status relates to operational roles, not the nature of selection.
Commonalities in Selection Objectives:
- Both processes focus on identifying candidates with exceptional endurance, resilience, and the ability to operate under extreme stress.
- Each program prepares candidates for advanced unit-specific training.
- High attrition rates in both processes indicate the rigorous nature of their assessments.
Differences Do Not Invalidate Comparisons:
- Experience Levels: Delta Force tends to select more seasoned candidates, while BUD/S candidates are often younger. The methods for training these different groups can still be compared.
- Training Focus: Delta Force emphasizes survival and navigation early, while BUD/S begins with team-oriented conditioning before testing individual skills. Both processes focus on individual capability at different stages.
Tier Status and Selection Intensity:
- Tier status does not inherently determine the difficulty of a selection process.
- Many Tier 2 units have selection standards as demanding as those of Tier 1 units.
- Understanding Tier 2 processes is critical as they often feed into Tier 1 selection pools, like SEALs moving to DEVGRU.
Purpose of Comparison:
- Identifying Best Practices: Comparing methods helps in refining assessment and training across elite units.
- Operational Readiness: Both units aim to produce operators capable of complex missions, and comparing processes reveals how different methods achieve similar ends.
Conclusion
The selection processes for SEAL Team 6 (DEVGRU) and Delta Force (CAG) are tailored to produce elite operators capable of undertaking the most sensitive and dangerous missions. Differences include candidate backgrounds, training duration, and focus:
- DEVGRU recruits experienced SEALs and integrates advanced training early.
- Delta Force accepts a broader range of candidates, focusing on physical and mental endurance before specialized training.
Both units maintain high standards and share an emphasis on resilience and capability. Misconceptions about the superiority of one process over the other ignore the shared challenges each unit faces.
By analyzing both, we appreciate the varied approaches to creating top-tier special operators. The rigorous nature of both DEVGRU and Delta Force selections reflects their critical roles in national security, highlighting the dedication and excellence required for such elite service.
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Where did you copy and paste this from I would like to know the original source
I believe you underestimate the nature of being on your own from the start. It’s easier for you to use someone else quitting as motivation to continue. It’s easier for you to peg someone as a quitter and watch them stay in it and use that as a motivation to continue. In a solo course you see individuals in the beginning you may see individuals in between RV points; however, you don’t know how many points they have collected, if they are lost, did they come from the point you are attempting to find. You have to stay focused on you and your efforts.
This comparison is always BS. Green team is evaluation for ST6. Your individual abilities are under scrutiny. Is that hard to understand.
@@jimpowell2296 what is missing is from this discussion is DEV does not have an A & S. Their (DEV) idea is guys have already been through BUD/S therefore no need for an additional A & S. It is more of a reputation and capacity screening. Green Team is only comparable to OTC. That’s it. This is why Comstock is comparing A&S with BUD/S.
It's not CAG selection versus SEALS selection. It's CAG selection versus DEVGRU selection.
its not CAG ITS ARMY COMPARTMENTED ELEMENTS ( ACE )
Thank you... I'm listening to this and thinking this is like comparing green beret to delta.
@@hawkgeoff I think he's comparing Delta to traditional SEALS. An accurate comparison is DELTA to SEAL Team 6.
@@craigennis2663It’s not called that anymore either.
None of you are in the military
i was an anglico marine JTAC and FCT Chief attached to and fought alonside Green Berets from 5th and 7th group during 04/05 Central-South Iraq AO, i was also part of a an intial group of 4 anglico marines place into the Q course as students in Phase 4 summer 2003 as an attachement to the intial oporder, to see if we could seemlessly integrate with ODAs (which we did, and passed all instructor and student peer evals). Hands down i will choose SF/Delta any day of the week over SEALS.
Hooah
Some of the reason's for the huge difference in training and selection is that Delta is more focused on looking for a specific type of individual. The physical aspect is almost just a side aspect in that they are more interested in the person's ability to function alone and the mental toughness. All the elite units have an aspect of this but the physical resilience is at the forefront. That factors in why Delta doesn't say , this is the standard, this is what you must do. You could pass in the physical challenges but not be what they are looking for in mental toughness or some other aspect. With all the differences, they are all good and each has their mission that is needed.
Hardest selection depends on individual. Some exceed in cold water where some exceed in rucking. Some exceed in individual exercises where some exceed in team exercises.
No ocean training, surf torture, or hell week in Delta Selection. But it’s just as hard in its own unique way.
you don't compare Delta selection to BUDS but to Green Team.
I believe its a processes that Delta uses that knows what a guy is made of, that is not totally physically based. They have a panel of Hannebel Lector level psychologist out there who look at these factors in Delta Selection. As everyone Delta interviewed who were once instructors claim no one knows these mystery requirements. I think we had it passed to us from the SAS's super secret psychologist.
@@patwxdaddy same as DEVGRU. It's call Green Team. It's Tier 1 training just like Delta.
Those who know, know! Nothing like looking at a particular class and seeing one (1) individual whom passed! The Unit says "You're welcome!" : )
I'm 43, I'm not SF material but being alone for Delta selection sounds appealing to me, and working by yourself also sounds cool. I live off grid and tried the mountain man lifestyle for a year. I still say SAPPER school and Delta selection sounds so intriguing to me. 😂 I enjoyed this commentary
But here is the thing, yes the selection is based on your own but they already expect you to play well with others and work well as a team. That should already be given. While other selections like army SF and regular seal selection will really focus and hammer teamwork makes the dream work on you. Yes there will be parts where you have to do on your own like land nav in pitch dark and ruck marching. When it comes to the tactical stuff they will drill team into it. You can be a stand alone stud and breeze thru delta selection and not make it. They literally have a draft pick selection if you make it and the guys in charge of a squadron makes the decision if you will be good fit for that team or not. So if you are that type to say “I can work on a team but I work better alone” delta will say thank you for trying out and send you on your way. Hell they might not even say thank you, they will just send you on a bus to go home without a word. So you saying you aren’t SF material Forsure means you are not Delta material as well. Army SF is more bias as they would prefer you come from a line infantry, ranger unit, or combat arms mos. Delta selection doesn’t care. You can be a cook or mechanic in the army and try out for delta.
@@FMD023 you wrote a f**king book, dude I'm not gonna read your ghey rant
Green Beret Chronicles Thanks for bringing this to us 💪💯
Buds is just selection process for regular Seal. Their real training is after Buds which is SQT. For Devgru it’s Green Team. Any Tier 1 in the Army, Navy and Air Force must know this because they all work together under JSOC. This guy makes the whole Tier 1 look misinformed just to pad himself in the back.
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I had a dream of going to SF when I was AD Army between 1997-2005, but they said I had to get my citizenship first, so that precluded me from dropping a packet. To add, ever since I was a little boy growing up in Jamaica, I always dreamed of becoming a mechanical design engineer, so I pursued that instead of SF after I got my citizenship in the early 2000s. This was after they made citizenship pretty much automatic if you were in the military due to all those green card holders getting killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, I have been a mechanical engineer for over 15 years thanks to using up all my G.I. Bill. I am also in the Air National Guard as a Captain, so life is good and I still get to serve and live the military life to an extent. To get my hardcore fix, I work out hard, study stoicism, do self defense, and go to the range.
ISA often wants non citizens, for plausible deniability. They came and cleaned 3rd Group out of those Green Card support guys .
I would suggest doing a Appalachian 100 mile wilderness hike, this would give you a slight idea of what Delta selection is like.
To answer your question jay, The only thing that is team based in buds is Hell Week and prior. There are individual test gates prior to hell week too like runs, swims, knot tying, drown proofing and more. Everything after hell week, you travel together as a class everywhere and still get beat together when class gets in trouble but everything is individual based. Pool comp, Ocean dives (which is basically underwater land navigation in the dark), land navigation (individual), pistol qual, rifle qual (individual). All these events, if failed in 2 back to back classes will get you dropped.
What are u talking about lol. They do log PT, wave PT together like everyday. There’s literal documentaries all the time. They are almost never alone
@@pat4771 Everything you just said I covered it in my statement. Read the first 2 sentences above
Your graded for sure, but its mass punishment all the time. Its; Team, Team, Team, Team, Team, Team, Team, Team, Team, Team, Team...
@@patwxdaddy what’s your point lol
wrong🙄...Buds/SQT/Seals is all about teamwork ..they do NOT want individuals.This is hammered into every pup & evolution they do!
People confuse Assessment and Selection with “the Pipeline.” They are TOTALLY DIFFERENT!!! A&S exists solely to weed out the quitters, the unprepared, the unmotivated and the immature; period. They want you to quit in A&S so you don’t quit after they’ve poured money and time into you. “The pipeline” is your entire training program.
Exactly!
SF and Delta adapted the Silent Treatment from the SAS. All others scream and yell the whole time. SF tried it pre-SFAS before 1990. A pre-ranger style selection called SFOT (aka Special Forms of Torture). They found many individuals who can deal with yelling and screaming did not do well in the SF Teams, SFAS was created. That inner voice is the biggest A-hole you have ever known.
But I learned something contracting in Afghanistan. No one talks about the SDV SEALs, my buddy said they were the SEALs that other SEALs avoided! First they have to qualify on every task as every other SEAL, but as other SEALs go home after work. They have to stay and train extra and clean equipment 10x more on all their mini-sub bullshit. Their mission is super cold and wet, if not cramped into a submarine most of the time then its stuffed in a giant dildo. Their angry all the time because they don't get the sexy lifestyle and little time off. Their job sucks and their totally getting divorced. And he said there was a affect of being on pure Oxygen for long periods that effects them like 'Roid Rage'. So all they wont to do when they are off is drink and fight everyone, even other SEALs.
Delta Force selection vs Green team.
Comparing Buds is stupid
Comstock sounds that he wasn’t the smartest guy in Delta and comes out as jealous.
You don’t have to be the smartest guy, just the right guy.
@@tomwilson1006 yeah the right guy to sound dumb. 😂
There's not much known or described in detail about green team because only seals can try out for it. Because delta recruits from all military branches, a lot is know about their selection.
@@deathfire096What Dale said makes sense. Clearly he isn't at all jealous. No one from delta joins the navy to be frogmen but frogmen definitely crossover to join delta.
BUD/S and SFAS do some things similar to CAG selection… but it’s kiddie pool by comparison. SFAS you run the Star Course and it’s a 10 hour land nav test.. CAG land nav test takes days… you have no idea how many points there will even be maybe there’s 4 maybe 6 or 10 no idea…. You have no idea how good or bad you’re doing until you’re either done or someone drives by in a truck and tells you to hop in…. And I bet there’s some mind games with that…. You may be doing just fine and they just pull up and say, “throw your stuff in the back and hop in just to see if you’ll do it….” Quitting without realizing you’re quitting….
My SFAS class we had guys who almost made Delta Selections so they came to SFAS sure to make it. The stuff they talked about was definitely strange, very PsyOp stuff. One guy kept track in SFAS and measured out to be on average 40 kilometers a day marching over flat NC. The Delta Selections guys said they marched 40 MILES a day! Over three states, mostly West Virginia!!!
We said you would come out of SFAS limping or maybe on crutches. They said you were going to come out of Delta Selection on crutches if not in a wheelchair for a while!
Dale is the man!
Comparing BUDS with DELTA selection is a mischaracterization. BUDS is entry-level. DELTA selection is for an experienced operator already at the top of their game - Ranger, SF, Raider, etc. (yes, they draw from all services). DEVGRU (ST6) would be the appropriate comparison for DELTA selection.
Great video with a good break down.
How can a video with wrong information be great?
Correction. Delta Force Selection is the longest and varies in time. Because at any point of time After being selected for Delta. The Black Van of Death can claim you. Because… You lost that loving feeling. Now it’s gone. Gone. Gone.
What black van?
Paul Howe compared Ranger School, other special operations selections with Delta Selection. He said the main difference is that Delta Selection is largely individual. BUDS do diving and you navigate underwater. Navigating underwater is challenging especially murky water.
yeah but you don't compare DELTA selection to BUDS, you compare it to Green Team for ST6.
He quit RIP, as several I have known. Really mature people think RIP is stupid. He went to LRS and then Delta, as many do from the LRS.
Juxtaposing BUDS to Delta selection helps Dale tell his personal journey because they are not equivalent courses.
Would be interested to hear more about Team 6 selection to compare, but I bet they give away secrets.
We all know the saying very well: "loudest one in the room is the weakest one, the quietest one in the room is most dangerousone"
To put this saying into this context: the loudest group in US military is SEAL TEAM (mouthing off their military services, through books, movies, and also spreading lies)
While on the other hand, DELTA FORCE is the most quiet and secretive group in the military. Their operations/ stories are not told in the public domain.
That being said: WE ALL CAN AGREE THAT DELTA FORCE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST, PROPELLED UP TO THE TOP AS THE ONLY TIP OF THE SPEAR.
The different approach to selection about Delta, Devgru, SaS & even SF is the fact there is no yelling, hazing, getting smoked,etc.They calmly tell you to do something...and watch🙄
Remember buds training is not pooling in elite solder... Delta is taking the best of the best and then weeding out the superstars looking for the Gods.
Jesus ! Can’t you read? You don’t compare Delta selection to BUDs but to Devgru, which is Green Team. You have to be an elite soldier for Delta selection and you have to be an elite Seal to be consider for Green Team. Why is so hard to comprehend? 😂
@@deathfire096 why do you think i made that comment... i know the pipe line for delta and Devgru🙂
@@henrymoore748 tell that to the guy on the video. He was a Tier 1 from the Army under JSOC but doesn’t know the pipeline for the other Tier 1. If he thinks the training for Tier 1 in the Navy is Buds then what can We say? 😂
True 😅 @@deathfire096
@@deathfire096 found a ding dong
BUDS is a team event. But other people influencing you to not quit goes both ways. Having the class leader quit tends to cause a cascade of other people quitting per cadre.
Jay it is a group but I will tell you that you are on your own, because no one will stop you from quitting so it is solitude. But that on your own happens out at Luguna in the mountains. Maybe 15k a day land nav
Good point
There are 5 tier one units in the military. You can look these up.
1. ST6 (DEVGRU) 2. Delta Force (CAG) 3. 24th Special Tactics Squadron 4. Regimental Reconnaissance Company (RRC) 5.intelligence Support Activity (ISA). So, it would make sense to compare these tier one units. Since they are tier 1 units they are very, very good at what they do. As I understand it there are different parts of all these units.
ST-6, Delta and Two Four STS have Green Teams for training (re-training, I think its a year non-deployable probationary period) up to their standard. Yes some fail it but I would not call them a selection. The 160th SOAR has a Green Platoon (more of a training/selection). RRC is just the cream of the crop from the entire Ranger Regiment (Don't forget RMIB is Tier One and a serious competitor of ISA). ISA is a hybrid Aviation/Intel unit with shooters, 160th and Delta are hand selected to go there, for Delta guys its a vacation. See Movie Green Zone. Also CIA SAD (Special Activities Division) was a mix of Ground Branch guys also Tier One but are mostly all ex-Tier One guys. Example guy in movie Sicario. The FBI HRT Team is sort of Tier One, they hit targets downrange with SMUs, Tier One can joint as walk on designated shooters and not go to the Quantico FBI Academy.
Too bad there used to be a DIA 'Defense HUMMIT Agency', or confusingly also called DHS. They went to the 'CIA Farm' training but were military enlisted, officer and civilians all on equal status. See Movie Extreme Prejudice. They worked under cover rank, identities and alias. I thought they were much better than CIA operatives but much less supported.
@@patwxdaddyThanks for the information
The hardest selection process for Tier 2 is BUDs for all branches. Now We can have a discussion which selection process for Tier 1 is harder. Green Team for Devgru or for Delta. I personally think both are equally hard and demanding.
Bruh they go home every night except hell week lol
@@TheIcup24 Wrong. They get weekend off in phase 1 and 2. The last phase 3 in San Clemente Island is 2 months of land warfare with no breaks. That’s were they have to do the 5 mile swim at night in the ocean with the sharks. Can you name any other tier 2 selection that long and harder?😊
@@deathfire096 SFAB is the hardest selection
@@TheIcup24explain in details. I’m reading that their selection process is 5 days at FT. Moore then Mata training which is 6 weeks. That’s 7 weeks together. Can you add what I’m missing? I’m not familiar.
@deathfire096 SFAB is literally the best kept secret of the military, there's no way you know of their training, noone does.
There are seal team 6 members who have gone to delta. I haven't heard of delta going ST6 that tells me who the best is. Army.
Name 1. If you make it to DEVGRU, they are not going to let you transfer to Delta because you are under contract and it doesn't make any career sense going from Tier 1 to Tier 1. Delta can't go to Devgru because there is no path, is not allowed. So stop writing clueless posts and join the military already and stop being a cheerleader.
From what I’ve heard, knowing both entities, once seals get passed hell week, they begin training to be a seal. Until that point it’s about not quitting and pushing through and yes it continues after hell week but you are actually training to be a seal once passed hell week. From speaking to seals that, at the very beginning you are around a bunch of guys who don’t know a lot about combat. Green berets have to be selected after 21 days and if selected they then begin their training to become a green beret. In selection, you are required to know how to conduct specific tasks that are pass/fail events and you are graded essentially. Being the army, it’s more common to have people of all ranks and mos’s that relate more to combat jobs. Example being rangers going over to SF. Both serve a specific task so I think it’s pointless to say which is harder. SMU (special missions unit formally CAG/Delta) and Seal team 6 (DEVGRU) are more of a Department of Defense entity versus branch specific. Both belong to their respective departments but are utilized across the entire DOD mission sets.
Love the videos. Keep it up.
Delta Force selection is orders of magnitude tougher than SEAL/SEAL TEAM 6 or any other group. As a start, Delta is much smaller than SEALS, simply being selected to go through Delta selection makes you a unique individual. Delta does not graduate schools or classes per se, they are looking for few individuals each year.
That's just a lowsy opinion, you haven't been through both of them so calm down. Alot of former devgru guys said their selection is a lot harder than BUD/S.
@@rickhunter7443 just delete this bro...u said his opinion was lousy bc he didnt do it then brought up DEVGRU vs BUDS. DEVGRU already been through BUDS so of course its gonna be harder. DELTA Force(Army) is harder than DEVGRU and BUDS(Navy)
@@piscesnocapkage96 I've watched plenty of Shawn Ryan podcasts. According to the guys, every devgru guys said green team is brutal or its buds times 100. You do a lot of cqb house runs and can't screw up or they'll drop you. Delta guys have said their selection is hard but when you get to OTC they’re likey to not let you go which is weird. Green team treats you like you’re an operator and hammer you to see if you do the job efficiently under stress but a delta said OTC they treat you like you’ve never shot a gun before and there's no hazing. I'm literally just repeating what I heard.
I feel like BUDs would be physically harder on the body than SFAS and Delta Force Selection. But it would be harder to get picked to become a Green Beret or Delta Force dude. Don't know, I'm just a Marine grunt
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That is your opinion, saying Delta is much tougher is I think foolish to say. In all the things I have read it seems BUDS is the toughest initial test of all.
Fact is......I would NOT want ANY of these guys coming after me...period.
As a Green beret you surely should know better to compare Delta and Devgru... Not Regular Seals!
I think he is clueless on anything outside the Army. He is probably as clueless with the Air Force like the Navy.
I think they are regular SEALs, if they show maturity and pay attention in training, they're in! That's what fails most of them, they don't 're-Hell Week' them. Its a gentleman's course like OTC with super high standards you can't mess up. There is no BUDs screaming and yelling in the Green Teams or OTC, its all probation.
Seals or Delta. I wouldn't want either of them kicking down my door.
Delta is a tier 1 unit, BUD/s is basically Navy rangers, but for some reason people have an inferiority complex and go after SEALs because they feel like they need to put another group down because it makes them feel good about themselves. If you are comparing CAG to anything, compare it to DEVGRU
Rangers is 2 months Buds is 6 months. So Buds is Rangers x 3. Then Seals have another 6 months for SQT to be a Seal.
At this point I know more about Delta selection than DevGru selection
Difference in outcome. Delta wants individuals that are strong vs seals want a strong team and team dynamic.
Don't know how the SEAL landnav evolution is run or evaluated, but the course is at Camp Billy Machen next to Slab City / Siphon 8 training area and it is an open desert with rocky mountain outcroppings making navigation more of a terrain association test than actual land nav or precision.
East Coast land nav with lots of forest cover, micro terrain that is not on maps, shrubs and vegetation that mess up pace counts, and lots of creeks that reshape the terrain but are not caught on maps is much more challenging. I imagine that Delta selection is in similar terrain.
All the BUD/s swims are done individually obviously, and BUD/s is just Phase 1 of the selection process, there are two more phases which may result in you not getting selected as a SEAL and getting your Trident
What you should do is see if you can reach out to Kevin Holland who was a former DEVGRU SEAL and a former CAG Operator, he went through BUDS, GREEN TEAM Selection (DEVGRU SELECTION), got out of the Navy pre 911, then after the events of 911 kicking off he came back in did CAG (SELECTION) got put on a SABER TEAM the guy would probably be the best source if you wanted to find out what the no shit differences are. I know there is an overlap for operators who didn’t come from SF ODA’s they have to participate in courses with standard Tier 2 Green Berets to introduce them to Asymmetric warfare like the Exercise Robin Sage. I believe if there is any interview, you can do with anybody that will set these gentlemen up for success and paint a mental picture for the route they want to take that would be the guy to interview because he has done both. To my knowledge, he is the only operator to serve in two Tier 1 units.
Holland was DEVGRU pre-war so he didn't do combat deployments as he did with Delta. Apples and oranges. After 9/11, the military change and the funding. Best comparison is Devgru vs Delta after 9/11.
Each guy is like a mixed bag. More than half of Delta came from the ol'boy Ranger Battalions. Army LRS has a high success rate. The number of SF Medics, Commo and Demo guys fills to the highest the standard for those skills. But they do tend to send their other than SF guys to the SF Phase-2, 18-B Weapons Course a lot. Its a short way to take a break without the TDY pay to send them off Ft.Bragg. Them knowing to operate every weapon in the world and even some FDC is useful for indirect fire. In the three main portions of the Q-course, Delta Selection far exceeds SFAS, And their mission specific OTC checks the block on needing Robin Sage. I think they can actually get their Green Beret from it, but not sure about the language capability to get the SF Tab? Kevin Holland has a Green Beret and you know there is no other way he could have done it.
He talks about CAG selection being comparable to BUD/S, where he should be talking about DEVGRU selection, which most of which is classified.
I disagree, BUDs is physically the hardest of them all. It can differ in difficulties between people's abilities. No one has long heavy marching as Ranger/SF/Delta congruently either. CCT/PJs are considered equals on SEAL teams but AFSOC/SF SCUBA is in Key West Florida. SEALs do everything in the cold ass Pacific and still have to go swim naked in Alaska for SQT Arctic training! Cold water suffering has to go to the SEALs every time, some can do it, some of the strongest guys you ever see can't do cold water.
There are puggie guys in SF, their power is in their brains. Until a SF guy has been cumulatively; a Medic in a CIF Company, with HALO and SCUBA on his chest, not in the Slipstream with product of some of the other SOF Programs, but you got to love the old school SF guys. I heard it said; Pipeline guys are Jock Soldiers, SF/Ranger are Blue Collar commandos.
Is BUDS longer because they have to teach sailors how to be soldiers first? As in teaching them basic infantry tactics which many, if not most, SF/Ranger/Delta recruits already know?
Buds is their training too. Don’t mix up the additional year for Special Forces. Make the difference Buds is not longer than the total Delta course or Special Forces. Not sure why you didn’t make that obvious point.
After selection you still have OTC for delta as well. The whole process takes a good chunk of time. Another thing is delta selection is busting the balls of SF guys and Rangers for the most part. Not some fit 18-24 year olds fresh out of Navy boot. These two shouldn’t even be mentioned together.
Double check your description, think you mixed up DF and BUDS
BUDS is 6 months and Delta Force Selection is 28 days. He's comparing a tier 2 selection with a tier 1 selection (apples to oranges). Not your best upload, lends to misinformation for the less discerning audience...
I had a guy from my unit when I PCS'd to my duty station in Fort Irwin in 2000. He was pretty young and he passed Delta, then just as quick, he disappeared and nobody spoke of him again. Then in 2002, there was some orientation that came to base for male soldiers to consider trying out. I didn't get to go, because my unit was full of Blue Falcons. But being open like that, I don't believe it was the real deal. I did get a call at my CP. The initials of the outfit was CG or CO. Don't know how they got my info as I was just an average E-5. Well, they offered me to try out for something non-specific, but I declined, stating I was in the process of getting medically discharged for a back injury, stimming from when I tried out for SFAS.
How come you didn't get to go to selection why your unit are blue falcon
@@warlord562 I went to SFAS, but injuring my back ended my career. By the time the guy called I was already out processing.
As far as my unit went, they were dirty LARPers and guys who wanted to sunset their careers into retirement doing nothing. To make a long story short, these dudes were LARPers in uniform, but never wanted to go to war, so they would extend their stay each year to avoid going to the field like every other Infantryman in military. And I was the guy that reminded the young ones they can't do 20 years at a non-deployable base. G.W. Bush made them eat crow at the swipe of pen 2 years later, sending their butts to Iraq, where they lost a few men BSing. And since I was all about training, they kept trying to screw me over for 2.5 years.
Your opening statement tells me everything I needed to hear 🤣 I told you bro the entire field is TOXIC as fuck!!! Look at the comments on this video 😂 all toxic shit.
How can your body decompose if you’re not dead? 😂
IT ONLY MATTERS IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT. Other than that... the majority of commenters are Truly Couch Commandos.
delta is the top. dont know much about 24th Special Tactics Squadron tho. also the russian special forces is freaking nuts, like really dangerous from what i have heard. and being canadian i also heard jtf2 is pretty ruff as well.
No. Delta and Devgru are both Tier 1. Nothing higher than Tier 1.
In the SF FOB in Afghanistan we had six forging SpecOps units with us in 2002. CanSOF TF-2 (Equivalent to their SEALs+Delta), German KSK (their Delta), Norwegian SF and SEALS, Danish SF and NZ SAS. All Tier One units of the world cross train together, Canada's JTF-2 being one of the newest SMUs in the world, took knowledge form the others equally without their individual cultures clouding it we have. They were so good, they were even writing SOPs that Delta adopted. It was my buddy Rocky a TF-2 Sniper who invented the school for the Tier One dogs you see everywhere now.
Time and being uncomfortable is what makes and breaks. Buds and green team seem much longer to me
Buds is longer but u get nights and weekends off. Green team, apparently is just a cqb course beginning with crawl, walk, run style training. I suspect they also get nights and weekends off.
It is not the Length of time. It is the intensity . SAS and Delta and others with a similar approach.
Dale has no idea about Green team for Devgru selection??? 🤣🤣🤣 That's hilarious he doenst know the difference between white side tier 3 seal teams and then the tier 1 seal team which is devgru.
Neither does the other guy. When you compare Delta selection to Buds, you shouldn't make any kind of videos about Tier 1. By the way, for Seal Team 6, it's Green Team. That is as hard or harder selection than Delta because they add the ocean.
Regular SEAL Teams are Tier 2. Tier 3 is conventional forces like 82nd Airborne, 10th Mountain, Marine Recon and Riverines.
Seal fan detected @@deathfire096
@@blackrazor1 Why do people say this? There is a SEAL channel the guy keeps saying 'Tier 3 SEALs', and he was in DEV???
Goggins tried out for Delta force but didn't make it.
@@2inthebox858 he didn’t make Devgru first and then tryout for Delta. Full story not half.
Due to medical issues
The website at the bottom of the screen is distracting. Perhaps you could make it smaller.
Why do we keep comparing a "tier one cag" to the "tier two navy seals"
They don’t know better.
Let’s start here. Why is that yes you’ll hear Team Guys talk about how hard their BUD/S class but yet they never say oh it’s better than SFAS. If anything 98% of the NAVY side praise the Green side. But yet every SF guy on TH-cam Minus (Jack Murphy) talk shit about SEALs and why you’re better. Honestly listen to them and they say my class sucked not you guys sucked. That’s what makes it sound like jealousy.
Now BUD/S is six months and yes you get out in a boat crew but your boat crew doesn’t PT for you. Every week you have times runs timed swims gotta run the O Course and that’s timed. Pool comp you get tested on that in second phase(how many SF dudes fail CDQC?) there is Land Nav at island during third phase there is a 12 miler in third phase (mind you third phase is 40 days long on a island away from the training command so you get kicked in the dick all day long.
DEVGRU and 1stSFOD are what you need to compare. And even still green team navy version is about a year that’s like OTC and it’s all individual.
They are different pipelines and you sound like little kids talking shit. Yes I am in the NAVY and I’m at a certain command and yes I’m actually considering going AG for a chance to go to SFAS at 41 but I wouldn’t talk shit. Enough already.
BUDS mostly screens out people in Phase I and Phase II. But people can and do get evicted from BUDS or SQT all along the line. But like Ranger Regiment, the fact that you wake up as a member of the organization does not mean that you'll end the day as a member of the organization if your performance doesn't measure up.
Like Dan Bilzerian? Did BUDS 2x and got dropped for safety violations 2 days before graduation.
No way the powers that be were gonna let that guy graduate. End of phase 3 or not he was getting boarded. He was just too dumb to realize it.
They consider seal selection harder than army SF due to one part and it’s the swimming part. If you can’t swim ya u are more likely to freak out under water but that’s the only thing u can say is harder. If everyone knew how to swim then it’s about the same. Had I stayed in the army for 10 plus years, I would have definitely cross over to the unconventional side. My high speed just happened to have an expiration date and that was 4.5 years. Nowadays u have programs as a civilian to help you prepare yourself to succeed in SF selection. If they had that back in 06 I would have been highly motivated to go thru that process. To me that’s like a cheat sheet that I can take advantage of. Only thing they had back then was go find SF recruiter on base, get a form and have approval from your unit to do log PT in the mornings away from your unit. I don’t want to disrespect the SF community by saying I would have been SF but I would say i definitely would have love my chances of making it through selection had I have all the resources they have now for civilians coming off the streets. Dales point about drawing motivation from others is spot on. I’m an extrovert so I tend to feed off peoples energy or so I been told that. Hell I had to learn how to draw motivation from false motivation to get through times in the army. There was a time i tried to drop a selection packet and considered trying out but was told re enlist and I get my wishes. I would never ever want to think about delta selection, I already know I would never want to attempt that long walk. Pay me a million and I would attempt it but trying out just for a chance to be a full on assault unit to go kill bad guys for my country? No thank you.
OK, But Screw that! I did the Q-Course just fine, I can swim like a fish, It's the DAMN COLD Water! In the Alaskan Airborne we had do river crossings. All waters in Alaska are glacier feed, even in 80deg summer. That was bad enough, SEALs have to be cold and wet all the time!
@@patwxdaddy u gotta remember some people never was taught to swim so going into it they would freak out. Swimming is a life lesson that I believe every child should be taught. I learned how to swim when I was 7-8. The last lesson to pass was I had to jump in a 12 foot end pool with clothes on. Then had to take off my pants, tie each end to make a litttle floatation device. Had I not learned how to swim at an early age I would freak under water. But ya if everyone knew how to swim, buds and SF selection is both tough. One is not harder than the other. Both is made to get u to quit and if u have that can’t stop won’t stop mentality, your success rate is going to be higher than others. Were u a first time go for selection? What part was the most struggle for you?
Please do a video on regimental reconnaissance company / ranger
Bro I hate to burst many ppl bubble but you can’t compare devgru to delta. Why because every seal has the capability to be part of devgru and depending on your stats you’ll get picked to be part of green team which is basically a glorified waiting list to get picked for devgru and even then you have to go on mission with devgru and audition the best example I can give is the show Seal Team which mostly get everything right about naval special operators. Then also add in the fact Delta has the capacity to recruit from any branch from all units but primarily pick from army rangers and SF green berets due to organizational differences which makes it an easier process for recruits vs having to re teach an individual(s) on how shit work in their organization of the armed forces
Delta selection vs bud/s… there goes the video right there lol
Starting to become a bit tangential. Two different pipelines to get to DevGru, the first is Buds to go to conventional, the second is Green Team to go to 6.
to add, it's BUDS and then SQT to go conventional SEALs. That's over a year to get your Trident. For Devgru is Green Team. On a note: To land at DEVGRU you have pass BUDS ,SQT and Green Team during the pipeline. You can't skip the first two to get to Green Team.
Devgru’s selection I heard is 6-9 months long, way harder than BUD/S. Its all about house runs, shooting and being an effective operator. You get yelled at and do tired drags and ladder climbs in full gear. Instructors mess with you basically.
Delta OTC they treat it like you've never shot a gun before, there’s no hazing but the standards are still high. I hear that once you reach OTC they will likely not drop you. I watched a bunch of Shawn Ryan podcast, that's how I know this. Sounds to me that Devgru’s green team they hammer you and are constantly on you but delta OTC they don't haze, but they still have high standards.
Yes. We don't haze. The best don't haze.
@@Karoke77 sounds good paper but it makes sense to haze. In green team they want to know how you handle stress when there’s a bunch of guys watching you from up top, making you do tire drags for no reason or tell you to take a quarter inch step to the left. It makes sense to haze in these circumstances if you want someone to be able to operate proficient in combat under stress.
@@rickhunter7443 I promise you, CAG does just fine. Different cultures. Out.
@@rickhunter7443 Delta selection from what i hear is a hell of a hammer, especially, because of the long walk at the end, if you even get that far. Its the ultimate mind and body stress.
@@Sciences0311 Devgru is that and add long swims in the ocean at night with the sharks.
I bet AF 24sts does it also, because they have to be able to attach to all the Tier 1,2,3 SOF units.
I would rather be the sorriest Seal that has ever lived, than the best Delta Force operator in the world.
This Delta Force guy just doesn't get it. That ocean is the test, that ocean is the standard. Forget the enemy, that ocean at 50 degrees fahrenheit will kill you. Frolicking around in the woods with a 40 pound rucksack on your back while extremely tuff gives you life saving options when you're in danger, if you break your leg, or have a severe cut. But that ocean will just swallow you up, as though you never existed. Because of this, the team is everything, the team is the difference between life and death. You break your back while frolicking around in the woods alone, you're in deep shit. You break your back in the ocean and your team is not with you, you're dead. That Trident is the standard of special ops, period, full stop.
This dude is way smart enough to know , u don’t compare buds to OTC selection. Delta selection is tier 1# . That’s a bullshit comparison.
A lot of Army people doesn't know much outside of the Army. I was the same thing when I served in the Navy. I didn't know much about the Army or AF because is not part of the job and they will not teach it. There is a saying in the military that says: on the need to know basis.
Isn’t this guy one of the mercenaries that the UAE hired to kill civilians in Yemen?
Most people dont know the difference betweeen DEVGRU and the rest of the SEALs. Just like most people don't know about ISA...this video is for the general audience. It's a distinction without meaning in this context. 😅😅😅
Most Army people don't. They think the military evolves around them.
I was neither but, BUDS & Delta Force is like T-Ball playing against MLB.
BUD/S has individual evolutions just like USASOC selection courses. Also the team evolutions allows for the students to self-select. It’s just another method to get rid of dudes.
Delta selection has no individually graded group events whatsoever. You are completely alone during your tasks in selection is the major distinction and no nights or weekends off.
@@Sciences0311That’s fine. As I said before, the team evolutions in BUD/s aren’t designed to pull people through as suggested in the vid. And the last month of BUD/s on the island is 7 days a week as well.
@@ACDCluva10 The fact is you can draw inspiration from group events or it can be the reason why u quit. Watching the strongest guy quit or not quit is an advantage u dont have in delta selection. 4 months of nights and weekends off must be nice vs 28 days of no nights or weekends off and being all alone for your tasks.
@@Sciences0311 On the flip side, not having to worry about your classmates getting rid of you is a luxury of Delta selection. There’s pros and cons to both. There’s hundreds of guys who have failed BUD/S who would gladly opt for a selection system that was more individualized. And I repeat, the last month of BUD/S which is more than 28 days is essentially a 24/7 schedule. I don’t care about trying to prove which training is more hardcore than the other. I’ve only been to one so that’s all I can tell you about. My original comment was to address the inaccurate interpretation about BUD/s in the video.
Biggest seal hater on social media hahaha
CIA Director: "Mr. President, we've located Bin Laden."
President: "Send SEAL Team Six."
@@NomadSupreme911 and Shipley covets a fellow team guys spouse, then gets a former employee a black guy arrested and it turns out his former employee didn't steal the product. Real class act with other st6 guys being pu**ies with red wings operation.
@@Kq4hcuDan what does that has to do with Devgru and the OBL raid? Sounds like you have a personal issue with DJ Shipley. lol😂
An Admiral was in charge of the AO. So they used SEALS and your not military because you would know that the Bin Laden raid considered really easy as far as missions are concerned. Soft target.
Only because he has read the books and seen the Charlie Sheen movie.
@@yankbat8481 you sound ignorant. JSOC has Devgru, Delta and ST 24 (Air Force) as Tier 1. The mission wasn’t given to ST6 because of an Admiral at JSOC since all Tier 1 are used in Tier 1 missions and all work together in some missions. It was more to do about Afghanistan and rotation without raising the red flag to Pakistan. It wasn’t an easy mission. They were going to a country without permission and that is an act of war and easily be blown out of the sky by the Pakistani Air Force. To say that was easy to do that job undetected, do the mission and return alive is ignorant. Only a Tier 1 force could have done it.
ive heared from podcast so it must be real that atleast in delta trainees goes theas timed marches ect alone and instructors keep watch and even got pre trained answers to usual questions iven my training time as conscript it was 5 months when i was redy to be Vehicle combination + apc driving course top of that its not that cheap to train some random punks so littlebit commitment must be even for conscript
Mountain Warfare School Winter Package is pretty tough training too. Former Infantryman here....
When was that?
2002 Bridgeport, California at the USMC Mountain Warfare Training Center and later that year Setermoen, Norway for Arctic Survival Training
@@justingause5501 Nice! I was a Mountain Warfare Instructor at Bridgeport '95-'98 and at II MEF SOTG from '02-'04.
I was in 1/8 A Co attached to 26 MEU by summer of 2002.
@@justingause5501 1/8 A Co alumnus! I was in 2nd Plt, 1st & 3rd Sqds from '88-'90.
know guy pass delta selection they told him go get your beret went to sfas and failed.
Buds is not a comparison to delta. Green team is I believe? There both awesome though and glad to have them on my side
Dale is obviously a giant but buds is not tier 1 selection🤷🏽♂️
I really don’t under why all these DEVGRU haters out here try to compare BUDs to Selection and OTC course for CAG. All you’re doing is showing how ignorant you are. Everybody knows that DEVGRU has its own selection process very similar to CAGs. So if you want to be fair you would compare those two processes. But the CAG guys never want to. I wonder why….
They are Army. Not the brightest bulbs in the military. 😂
SEAL Team 6 and SEALs are often confused; people look at the most elite SEALs and attribute that to all SEALs. Guys, SEAL Team 6 is SEALs chosen from among the SEALs; Delta takes everyone else (though I’ve heard that Delta operators sometimes leave to join the Air Force’s 24th STS; can anyone confirm?)
Simple, Devgru\ST6 are Tier 1 and Delta are Tier 1. One main difference is all Devgru are Combat Divers. Only 1 of 6 Army SF are. You will never see Delta in the Fleet or in a ship ( unless taking a ride to land) let alone locking from a submarine doing a mission.
That would be a negative.
I was told that Delta was a 6 month course.
Somebody blew smile up my ass.
I couldn’t make it I had other commitments at that time
OTC after you get selected for CAG is around 6 months.
Devgru Green Team is also 6 months. This is how long Uncle Sam will pay. Is it a coincidence that both tier 1 are 6 months long?
He said they were times that one guy has made it other times no one has made it. The same is true with BUDS and like other commenters have said regular seals are not tier one. I think Delta probably is better but I just think this guy is tired of Navy SEALs getting a lot of the press and they are living in his head rent free for sure.
yes but you don't compare Delta selection to Buds. You compare it to SEALs Green Team for Devgru Tier 1.
Apples and bowling balls comparison
24th STS
SFAS is just assessment and selection to go attend the actual Q course, & Buds shouldn't be compared to Delta anyway...Jay you know this... every comment will repeat this
Isn’t Buds just boot camp for seals? Don’t they do a follow on individual training course? Kind of like how army has OSUT after basic and the Marines have SOI after boot camp.
Yes 6 months of sqt after buds then more schools when get to a team before unit level training.
BUDS is selection not boot camp, you think 80% people fail out of boot camp?
@@AlaskanHulk well duh it’s not boot camp but the first word in BUDs stands for Basic. Its just a beat down not a lot of skills learned besides the basics so in a way it is seal boot camp
@@DylanAce6Not a lot of skills learned lol, you are clearly clueless, lol.
No. BUDS is a selection course for SEALS. Navy has boot camp and MOS schools. That's like Marine Recruit Training and ITB or MOS school.
I'm a fake navy seal and I agree on the analysis...
You seem to be confusing the selection phases with the continuation training. The SEALS drop most people in hell week. The rest is considered continuation training. Delta drops most on the 4 week selection, but they too have months more of continuation training as well. So it’s not a 28 day Vs 6 month selection comparison. Also don’t forget that Delta recruits older and more experienced soldiers Vs SEALs mostly recruit teenagers right off the street into their pipeline.
Why is BUDs being compared to Delta anyway? Devgru is more like Delta when it comes to selection.
@@mrhrobinson YEAP! It's call Green Team and it's a lot harder than BUDS by a mile.
He should be comparing seal team 6 to delta force not the regular seals. They have a very similar by yourself pipeline. Just without the long ruck marching
Don't they get nights and weekends off in BUDS?
A Tier 1 under JSOC must know the selection process for the Army and Navy since they train and work together sometimes and for Devgru is not BUDs but Green Team and there is no path for Delta to switch. It’s mind boggling how a former Tier 1 be so wrong to make his side look better.
I agree jay is veak and insecure as a man. He needs to humiliate other men to boost his low bedroom performance 😂😅😂😅
People don’t leave Delta to go try out or work for DEVGRU, but people DO leave DEVGRU to go to Delta……
@@tomwilson1006 more wrong info. No path from Delta to Devgru. Only Seals Tier 2 that tryout for Delta are the ones that don’t make Devgru. It’s the Seals 2nd choice to make it to Tier 1.
@@tomwilson1006 if you can’t afford a Porsche, you settle for a Corvette. 😂
@@deathfire096when was he wrong
I World love to hear from guys who have been to both selections. Matt pranks retired delta went to buds didn’t make it. Goggins retired seal went to unit selection didn’t make it. Kevin holland was Seal team 6 and delta.
Goggins wasn’t selected for Green Team so he tryout for Delta. Holland was ST6 before the war ( peacetime). Everything change after 9/11 from training to operating missions be said you are killing people and people are trying to kill you 24/7. DJ Shipley a former ST6 said that being in the military during peace time is not the same thing as being during war. If you ever served you would understand. In peace time they just train at a slower pace with nothing on the line. During war is a different ballgame.
I did serve honorably in the navy 2001-2006 CTI 2nd Class .
@@Jc87134 I served Navy. 1990 to 2000. Sub Hunter. AW 1st class.
Plus you get a book deal when you finish BUDS.
Quite men tell no lies.
Here we go again more seal stuff ... no shocker there
What's not being taken into consideration is that Delta canvas all branches of the American military for the best of the best. To be selected is an honor. Sorry Jay, there are too many fan boys out there chiming in who have no clue about true grit. Jeff M USMC occasional hero nuff said.
is there an omega chapter