Your Mac Can Run Windows!
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You should’ve made it more explicit that boot camp doesn’t work on Apple Silicon purely because Microsoft REFUSES to license Windows on ARM, and Apple has clearly stated Boot Camp would be brought back if Microsoft would license it out.
Could they bring it back for Linux users regardless if Microsoft licenses them out
@@JoeyLindsay asahi
@@JoeyLindsay hmmm… I’ll let someone else tackle this. As Ted Lasso says, “you could fill 2 Internets with what I don’t know about” Linux
Can you blame them? It's pretty obvious to me the most glaring issue with windows laptops are the lack of good arm processors. Efficiency is really the one place that windows can't even come close to competing in my opinion. (Most other things are subjective/ preference). Explicitly supporting it would just demonstrate how far behind they are on ARM
Plus it's not like apple is this really awesome company that lets their os be used on anything else anyway, so there's zero reciprocity incentive.
@@not0evn apple silicon macs are open by design, the fact that asahi works is no mistake.. Microsoft has had this bs contract with qualcomm for a while and that stops them from shipping windows on any other arm processor.
When Apple released Boot Camp in 2006 I immediately installed XP on my iMac and played Half Life 2. Used that machine for years.
Did the same but with bo2
Did you do backups with timemachine for your Mac? Because it says it’s important to do that when using bootcamp but I don’t have a something to put my data’s there
Been running Windows 10 on my MacBook 4,1 for years now as the only operating system. Decent enough for casual web browsing use long after Apple dropped operating system support with 10.7.5
Full driver support from Microsoft and other vendors in Windows 10 is amazing for a piece of Apple hardware from 2008.
Why dont get directly a windows mashine?
@@stili774 "why you doing free stuff when you can pay for stuff?"
@@stili774 I have a R5 3600 / GTX 1080 Ti system as well.
@@TheNubaHS Ironic that any apple device will cost 3x the price of any other brand
You could have tried opencore patcher to run newer MacOS versions, and quite well at that afaik. Also the 4.1 can be flashed to 5.1 so you can run 10.13.6 natively. Or so I’ve heard.
Hey finally a practical use for a Mac.
Yep, you can’t do anything on Mac, WINDOWS IS BETTER
I’m joking lol I’m a Mac user
Must’ve never used a Mac for productivity
The way I see it is macOS is more for professionals and windows of for the general public, if that makes sense
u should use mac only if you have to do it, and have no other choice
@@JoshCarterWeb I use Windows for productivity
Just so happens this is my exact situation. I am a converted previous employee and owner of many old iMacs and I’d love to turn one into a basic PC for my kids to use. Thanks for coincidentally covering exactly what I needed and making it seem easy 😁❤
I've been thinking of getting parallels for quite some time, but given that it's just the issue of qualcomm not wanting Microsoft to release the ARM version,
It is safe to say that boot camp on silicon "supposed to work natively" with Windows ARM, just that it is locked for now
For those who don’t want the hassle of dual booting or the performance penalty of virtual machines, there is an updated version of Wineskin Winery to create wine wrappers for individual Windows apps. I’m able to play a nice little array of my Steam and GOG games within MacOS using this method. For those unfamiliar, think Wine for Linux, but in a more user friendly format for Mac users.
If you want user friendly, Crossover is the way to go
@@ElijahCiali I haven’t played around a ton with Crossover, but you’re bang-on as Wineskin Winery is sort of its “community edition” cousin of sorts. I kinda like the greater tinker-ability of Wineskin, I started with it years ago and got my sea legs on Wine with it. The last time I tried Crossover I was a fish out of water and couldn’t figure out how to do the tinkering I have as muscle memory in Wineskin. Will have to give it a whirl again.
The last time I used wineskin winery it was a mess.
@@_Digitalguy interesting … have you checked your software against the Wine compatibility database? I don’t know how Crossover implements Winetricks, but I’ve been able to get software across various generations to work pretty well using Winetricks within Wineskin Winery. The compatibility database can give you some clues as to what tweaks you may need to make. You can also check log files for errors to pinpoint potential fixable failure points. Again, not sure how all of that is oriented in Crossover, but it’s all accessible within Wineskin.
@@BrianJones-wk8cx the whole appeal of crossover is you don't even have to know about wine or winetricks, you one click install and run a lot of games, and btw a lot of the crossover devs are also wine devs
My daily desktop is an old 2007 Core2 Duo iMac. Since Apple no longer supports this hardware, and most security certificates just don't work, I installed Pop!_OS on it a year ago.
I became a Linux user since then, and I'm not going back.
I don’t think Apple is that upset about the Hackintosh community. As long as nobody is selling them (and even then, you can find custom hackintosh builds for sale ranging from little nucs to Mac Pro competitors that have better specs at half the cost, and keep the mid 2000s Apple aesthetic if you want that.) and that doesn’t even mention Open Core Legacy Patcher, which makes an old Mac a really good budget PC option if your priorities are productivity and being able to leverage the Apple ecosystem. (And some light light gaming. I’ve played some Civ 6 on my late 2014 iMac)
Apple never leaned into open source as much as I would like…I feel like right as they got that initiative going, they got really big as a luxury brand and trendy consumer product company. So they just kind of let things like OpenDarwin whither away. But the hackintosh community is kind of the outcome of all that and I kind of think Apple has a soft spot for them because it would be pretty sleazy to squash it out just by being stricter with hardware compatibility. (And they seem to be doing that with the transition to M1)…but they could stop it all right now I’d they really wanted to.
This…. 👌🏻
I really doubt they will. The move to their own chips just makes Apple more vertically integrated than before so their OS will grow even more dependent on the hardware features that they will bake in their SoC that will probably be difficult or even impossible to emulate. The only good thing is that their machines will always be ahead when it comes to efficiency because the OS is working as close as possible to the hardware without having lots of abstraction layers, drivers, legacy support(like Windows) etc., but when Apple drops support for the last x86 platform Mac, the Hackintosh community will slowly start to bleed out. I really doubt Apple would let it live more than it should since they do not care about the people that are outside their ecosystem since they are restricting developing for their platforms to their own devices and do not allow emulation of their OS, basically gatekeeping developers.
@@LAndrewsChannel this is the only sound take from who’ve heard of the Hackintosh community.
@@Dave102693 That's funny, I tried to do a Hackintosh once to build and run an iOS app on a physical device, but I couldn't manage to do the latter. I don't think this counts as being part of the community xD
Itll never really die, arm chips are becoming more popular in the pc side there will be down time where the community gets caught up on working with arm (and unless Microsoft fixes their arm platform soon) the best viable option will be linux or eventually macos as we catch up
Guys, thanks for this video! It demonstrates how great stationary Macs have been before Apple Silicon transition because of this ability to run both OS - Mac and Windows whenever you want. But this transition has turned MacBooks (and other macs too) to the best power-to efficiency devices, which many of us appreciate. It would be perfect if the channel’s authors could test some eGPUs for Windows bootcamp gaming just to demonstrate how versatile Intel Macs can (I mean could) be😄
I was running windows on Mac from a hard drive boot or virtualization. Then I discovered bootcamp and it is incredible, especially that you can partition your hard drive for Windows and when you dont need it anymore you can merge it back.
That's a thing of the past if you want a new Mac, at least until mid 2023.
I've been running windows on my mac since the power mac... :) I still haven't moved to the new ARC chip, despite being an iOS programmer, particularly because Windows is still way better for my online socialising (gaming). Especially since i stopped buying games from the App store and started using Steam. Best gaming decision i ever made... It got me through the pandemic in one mentally healthy piece. ;)
I set up Windows ARM 2h22 build, using VMware Fusion Player that has a free license option. Then, you have to use some terminal commands to convert the windows iso file to a VMDK that VMware can read. Compared to shelling out cash for parallels, if you want a free option with a bit more elbow grease, it's much more worth it.
First video I've watched on your channel. Excellent content and presentation. Subscribed!
nice linus tech tips and all their channels like this one are just great! welcome!
I’ve been running Parallels for years. Love it!
Very nice! How big is the chance that MS will lock out users that "work around" TPM and CPU limitation on Windows 11 someday?
I had serious issues installing W10 on my iMac with Fusion drive, to the point I gave up and bought a Windows pc in early 2018 to use as well. I know they're not used anymore, but back in 2017, Fusion drives (a logical drive created out of a combo of a smaller SSD for bootup and most used files, and a regular HD drive) won't work nicely with Windows, and this is no surprise. Windows wouldn't recognize the Fusion partition well and it would lead to no end of trouble. Like, more importantly, it not being able to access the Mac partition. Under regular HD drives (and I assume later SSD drives), you could natively read under windows from a Mac partition, and, with the proper drivers, you could even write data on them using Windows, if you needed to access data from the other partition, but that wasn't possible anymore if Mac OS was on a Fusion drive, at least early on, so I stopped trying to make the impossible possible and gave up. Now I have a multi computer setting.
Ah man I love your Videos! :) They are my absolute favorites :D
Great video, thankyou for the calm and totally understandable explanation! I like to use computers but I'm always scared of installing things!
I used to have a few regular customers at an old job selling macs who worked for FEMA. They needed the most reliable hardware possible, but had to run windows. They’d buy 15” MacBook Pros from me, and make the Mac OS X (this was 10+ years ago) partition as small as possible and never look at it again.
why not to buy a thinkpad then?
I ran Windows XP on a Linux desktop PC with VMWare back in ~'04 - Virtualization is well known, as is QEmu-like runtime JIT transpiling of machine code to, for example run x86 Windows OS on an ARM CPU - nothing new here, but good to know for those who aren't aware of it yet :)
Already back in '04 the performance penalty from the overhead of virtualization and host OS was _surprisingly_ small - and no, I'm not claiming it wasn't noticable when comparing to same level of hardware running XP natively, but unless you're excepting exactly that it's not that bad. Of course any applications you have running under host OS will decrease performance of the virtual machine, just like it decreases overall anyway ;) But say that your host OS and client OS both use up to 3% CPU on idle, you'll probably have only little over 6% of CPU use (on idle).
The backsplash tile in the background at 0:18 reminds me of the Bootcamp icon. How fitting. 🤣
So, I watched a Jackery ad in between a Parallels ad?
Great going LMG.
Upgrading to Windows 11 is really easy with a simple work around. I've installed Windows 11 on a 2015 15 Inch Macbook Pro and a 2018 Mac Mini.
I hope you guys can cover WinesapOS. It's a portable, persistent Linux distro originally created for gaming on Intel CPU equipped Macs. Plug it in, play your games, remove to run Mac OS, again. Its former name is Mac Linux Gaming Stick, but changed when a lot of non Mac users adopted it and development moved to a Steam Deck-like OS experience.
You forgot to mention that both Vmware and VirtualBox recently announced support for Apple Silicon, in beta for now.
Yeah, for a second I thought this video was sponsored by Parallels
THIS IS SO HELPFUL!! thank you!! :D
I just did it on a 2017 iMac. Can’t believe how easy it was. The only downside was the fusion drive is unbearably slow to install…
Awesome video! Thanks again, team! Also, keep them Anthony hosted vids coming, I click allll of them!
So how did you screen record the installation when the installation is done natively?
I have tried playing S.T.A.L.K.E.R: Shadow of Chernobyl on M1 Macbook Air 16GB and it ran fine on lowest details, but I could feel a bit of input lag (eventho FPS was around 60). Also, shaders of anomalies were glitching and they had different color tint.
Shocked at how well this works.
I had a 2009 iMac and MacBook both running windows XP. At the time apple computers were the best PC on the market by far, in terms of quality for the prize. The reason I did this was to run autodesk inventor and autocad, and it ran soo well. One person in our group had set up window on the first macbook air to run the same CAD software and it ran very smoothly. Another person had a special "high performance" laptop PC that cost about 4 times as much as the macbook air, and it performed as well as a cinderblock, and weighed pretty much the same.
thanks this helped a lot, using an old hyperx mic i had but the software doesnt work on mac haha so this was perfect timing
One thing to note, the reason you have to virtualize on the Apple Silicon macs is because Windows for ARM doesn't support anything Qualcomm doesn't make. Since this boils down not only to the ISA but also the way the processor is implemented being Qualcomm-specific, and the fact Microsoft is a competitor to Apple, don't expect Microsoft to support the M series processors on bare metal, even long after their Qualcomm exclusivity agreement dies.
THX 4 the Guide 🔥🔥🔥
You can also use UTM to virtualize Windows, although it is slower with worse graphics support afaik.
UTM is interesting since it can virtualize not just ARM but x86 and PPC (Power PC) Motorola 68K and anything else you can think of. I used UTM to virtualize MacOS 9 and open a Logic Pro project from like 1999 or 2000 from a SCSI drive. A Client lost his master copy of a album he recorded over 20 years ago in Logic and the newer versions of the app wouldn't open it so I tried UTM and it worked really well. I installed Logic Platinum from CDs and Giving the virtual machine 4 cores and 8 gigs of ram was more than any MacOS 9 machine ever had LOL. It actually ran better than any G4 or G5 Mac I ever owned.
@@joesalyers It's a frontend for Qemu, a general purpose emulator that is very common on Linux systems (and runs on Windows, macOS, and Linux.)
@@DistrosProjects Its great, I found it when searching for alternatives to parallels that could run old Power PC operating systems. IT WAS FREE!! On my linux systems I normally use Gnome Boxes since it is so simple but I was on a Mac so I tried UTM and it is great!!
UTM can be configured to "Virtualize" not "Emulate", the latter is slow, as you are recreating x86 via software.
contrary to Parallels it can only use Windows insider builds which will expire at some point
So, how well does this work for gaming then? Does this mean you can run all windows games?
does this improve gaming performance and if yes, what does it improve.
You should mention that the new vmWare for Mac is free and it does everything that the paid parallels shown in this video does.
I'm running Windows 11 via Parallels on my MacBook Air. It's pretty good performace considering Windows on ARM is poo on the Surface line. I use it to play all my old Steam Games like Tomb Raider (2013), SIm City 4, Duke Nukem 3D. All run really smoothly. Just the cost that's a pain being around £90 a year!
I love how they make it look so easy like 123 meanwhile boot camp on my old Mac isn’t working properly when I click continue it says I have to have a usb hard drive connected then I plug it in still doesn’t work
My old MacBook is old enough that it is no loner supporting the current macOS, it is now my new windows machine since I got my Mac mini.
I got the original macbook air when it came out, to run windows on, it was not a bad experience at all
Saving this for when I get a Mac and Need to run Windows on it. Then again I might do it in a virtual machine anyways!
ive got a 2007 MacBook that ive installed windows 2000, xp, vista, 7, 8, 10, and yes even 11 on. all worked perfectly fine.
2009 22.5" iMac + Samsung SSD + 16 GB memory runs like a charm on Windows 11 for office jobs.
Two weeks ago I configured a Windows 11 Home in Parallels on the M2 MacBook Air. It's pretty magical how all those x86 and x64 programs just work. I did not join the Insider program, though (the settings app confirms this). Parallels downloaded and installed it without me having to join anything.
Parallels is a poor substitute for Bootcamp.
Both me and my brother recieved a macbook pro as a gift from my aunt (she works in a university and she basically can get them for free, so she changes pc quite often).
First thing I did was to install windows. Even if the radeon pro is not exactly meant for gaming, it still is quite good.
VMWare Fusion has just launched for Apple Silicon macs. Probably happened after this video was recorded, but it is another possible option. Not seen any reviews on performance yet, and don’t have an Apple Silicon Mac to try it out myself.
Tried it recently, didn't work on my M2 Macbook Pro. Will need to wait a bit longer.
Check the channel called Andrew Tsai. He makes a lot of videos about gaming on Mac using all kinds of emulation and virtualization. One of his recents videos is about VMWare.
I ran the Fusion tech preview and was able to run Windows 11 on my M1. Yesterday I upgraded to the full Fusion 13, and now even the windows 11 22h2 update appeared in my vm. Works like a charm on Fusion 13 + M1 Macbook pro
@@Heavenira How recently did you try? It launched I think either yesterday or the day before. Very very recently which is why I'm not blaming Andy for not mentioning it.
At 1:18 you said Intel Mac does not have TPM support. What about MacBook Pro 2018 onwards? Is not it any Intel 8th Gen onwards have TPM support??
Didn’t VMware Fusion just launch a new version for the Mac?
What's your best advice if I want to install Windows on my Chip 1 Macbook Air?
What I’d like to know is can I still run other Mac based apps (like Logic Pro X) while using windows?
This takes the "Packin' a Mac in the back of the Ac'" lyric from Eminem's Rap God to a brand new level.
I've got a hackintosh and installed windows 11 using VMware Fusion 13 which implements a virtual TPM. It runs fast enough that you don't really notice it's a VM.
Finally a good use for Windows 11 ARM builds
Any updates on AMD's RTX4090/4090ti competitor card yet? The 2 cards coming out early December are only direct competitors for the RTX480. And indeed, any news on a release date for the RTX490ti, which SHOULD include Display port 2.1 (for 8K gaming at high refresh rates and bit colour) support ready for the 8K gaming monitors coming out in Q1 2023) & HDMI 2.1a (includes Source-Based Tone Mapping like updates for HDR) & PCIe 5 (to free up lanes for other devices)? RTX4090ti will NEED those features if NVidia want to sell ANY!
And any dates for AMDs latest generation in the 3D VCACHE variety?
Hi. Is the base model MacBook M1 Air (8GB/256GB) enough to run Parallels? The subtitle editor I’m using is only available on Windows.
The only limit I see is your ram, but as long as nothing is running in mac os it should be fine
I think that when will be native windows on ARM that you can run without a virtual machine, sales of M1 and M2 MacBook's will just to unseen highs
Yeah but Linux already runs natively on M1 macs
No gpu pass through means extreme lag
Using it for work and not concerned with the set up cost (parallels) or set up time (VMware or UTM) I just want whats best. Parallels or VMware or UTM?
So when will Microsoft release Windows 10/11 to boot bare metal on Apple Silicon Macs? Apple has said they have no objections against it (and it is also possible to do so). So it comes down to Microsoft alone. I think they should do so, because Apple Silicon is insanely fast for running Windows ARM.
is this just for like simple browsing or can it do more? i am trying to use it for work cause they usually require windows operating system..
2:02
Whenever I try to do this, the bar gets stuck on Downloading Windows Support Software and refuses to move. Is there any way to fix this?
I run macOS on a virtual machine on a Windows OS running on a MacBook Pro.
0:18 The pattern in the wall tile looks like the BootCamp icon
my university using windows on mac on all their offices even on labs
I don't know how I'm still studying there
I have a 2006 Mac and sure its nearly dead in terms of software with some exceptions. Reaper supports my system and for a music computer its great and I do have Garageband installed as well. It can run Windows 10 rather well. I'll probably install 8 more gigs of ram for a total of 16. I can't complain too much it has ECC memory, and 2 2.66ghz quad core cpus. Given its age, I can run windows xp on it and I've got a few games from the XP and older windows eras. I'll eventually get around to doing that and having each system on their own drive. It is a machine from the capacitor plague and seemed to be immune to it. Seems like Apple must have gotten Foxconn to build it with quality caps.
Sounds impressive. I can hardly think of a piece of tech from that era that is still capable to keep up with my demands. It is great that the machine works so well for your needs.
Is it possible to install windows 10 32-bit? I have old hardware that the manufacturer never updated to 64bit but I really need to use it via usb. Are 32-bit drivers also supported?
I have an internal ssd with an installed version of windows 10. I wanted to know if I can use that internal ssd with a connector of some sort with my apple m2 MacBook Air ? I sold off my desktop but still have that ssd with me which I was hoping to use some times. Is it possible ?
Urgent TV for gaming advice please - Linus has done separate reviews in the past but hasn't answered this question. Despite the superior colour quality of the Samsung S95B QD-OLED, the reviews I have been watching seem to suggest that a LG C2 is still better for gaming because it supports ALL possible gaming features, implying the S95B QD-OLED doesn't, without going into any real detail. Would you agree that a LG C2 is a better choice than a S95B QD-OLED for a TV which is primarily going to be used for top of the range PC gaming at 4K with high refresh rates and colour depth (RTX4090, etc.), with Netflix & TV watching only secondary? Need advice please because I can't decide & I want to buy one of these TVs in the black Friday sales tomorrow!
My (2007) iMac now runs Ubuntu 23.10. So the best thing to do with (old) Intel Macs is install Liux, in my experience, Ubuntu (or any Ubuntu-based system) works best.
I've been using Ubuntu on my Framework Laptop with Windows as a secondary boot and MacOS in a docker container for pentesting. It works way better than any workaround on Apple's hardware.
Erm... so with this method we expect e.g. cyberpunk to run? With no GPU drivers? I don't see Apple releasing their M chip's GPU drivers for windows....
Will this be posted to floatplane?
Does it cost anything? I want to apply this to a Mac laptop I was given from my employer for work... Devastated that I can't just use my Microsoft Surface Pro 7 plus.
I'm trying this right now on my Macbook Air M2
I did this once on an Intel Mac I had and the end result was meh. Had to fiddle with the settings to keep the computer from overheating
Will this still work on my Mac Pro 3,1?
There's also VMWare Fusion which can virtualize Windows on Mac
Oh my god, the kitchen in the old house!! Gotta respect linus’ data hoarding sometimes
How can one enable virtualization or open bios menu in windows on mac
I can’t find startup security utility on my 2013 Imac do I need it?
My sister actually prefers windows but wanted the hardware of a Mac. But I feel like the functionality and integration between her Mac and her iPhone might be hard to give up, so I'll have to test it with a dual boot first.
Weird take, people generally want a mac with hardware of a windows pc
There are plenty of locked-down, glued together, impossible to repair PCs out there without an Apple logo on them.
@@SSShingetsuwindows desktop PC? Yes. Windows laptop? Nah.
I use parallels on my m1 iMac.
Enjoy having both OS
For work / multitasking I prefer Windows, for just home use I prefer MacOS
Can you load windows 11 for the raspberry pi on a mac with arm processor?
Hey where can i find more help with this? I had a dead 2011 imac and i jut put a new ssd in it. Installed windows and poof. It worked except there is no sound. I assumed its drivers but i have no clue how to fix that. Where can i find compatible windows 10 drivers for a 2011 imac?
What about windows for arm on it natively? Can ya fudge it to work? Like isn't that a thing?
I remember walking into an Apple store, and I just saw a guy run Windows on one of the imacs🤣
A litle story:
I did this when I was a kid on my mothers iMac, she gave it to me cause she bought a new one for her. With time, bootcamp started to fail, and I couldnt go back to the mac, so a lot of files got lost, including some family photos and work files my mother told not to touch...I was not punished, but wathcing my mom being sad about it, crushed me so hard I didnt rest until I finally could troubleshoot my way into mac again. I recovered the files and threw that mac into the trash cause it was really starting to just...not work xd. I was 9 at the time, how did I do it? Dont know, I was pretty capable back then, now I cant even troubleshoot my life :D
There really needs to be an open source alternative to Parallels, and no UTM doesn't count it has no hardware acceleration support so it's useless for gaming and if you ever bring this up amongst other mac users they all say "just buy that nvidea streaming thing" like buying a whole new device just because we had our windows compatibility stripped from us really counts as a solution.
An opensource alternative needs people to build it for free, unless you're prepared to be that person then you're out of luck. Virtualbox is the best hope but their offering isn't exactly great.
Another use case is when you need windows only apps for work such as Solidworks
Does VMware fusion work on apple silicon?
Is there a way to enter Windows mode on your mac that isn't right on the boot screen?
The keyboard from a MacBook Pro that I got recently doesn't work, thus, I can't do the command.
And any USB Keyboard that I connect won't function until the password screen shows up. -o-
Edit: Asking all of this before I do the whole process in case there isn't a way to access Windows mode other than the method shown in-video.
My screen shows black after using bootcamp and I’m stock there any assistance I will be glad
So on a Mac with Apple silicon you will run arm Windows in a emulator and inside it run x86 programs in another emulator. Sounds good for performance
Certain Mac's only support certain versions of Windows, my Mid 2010 Macbook Pro (MacBookPro6,2) for example, is only happy installing Windows 7, and only from DVD... trying to install Windows 10 via ANY method results in freezes and it wont install the Bootcamp Tools etc for Windows... - then there's the EFI/MBR boot issue, When I use Bootcamp on my Mac (the newest version that it supports) it sets up to install Windows 7, But sets up to use MBR boot, trying to install Windows 10 on this doesn't work, so I have to convert the disk first... or, Install Windows 7, then do an upgrade etc...
So, be careful with the age of your mac too :)
My 2012 Mac Pro wouldn’t work properly until I installed windows off a DVD. Old school. Lucky I still had an external dvd burner.
Watching this on my Macbook Air 6,2 running Windows 11 22H2, it's been running great with my i7 4565U, 8GB RAM and 500GB SSD lol
How did you not know this I just installed vista on my MacBook 1,1 with Mac OS X Tiger