Something worth mentioning; is that the Tank Destroyer's biggest flaw, is it's lack of a rotary turret. Being based on a Howitzer; it's designed for shooting in only one direction. However, this creates an issue. Most Tanks can be ordered to drive around a Tank destroyer, which will greatly reduce it's accuracy; causing it to miss often. If you have your tanks drive around it using the Attack 2 command, which will have them attack any enemies on their way to the location; Tank Destroyers are basically done for most of the time. IFVs are the most effective for this, since their fast speed is very hard for the Tank Destroyer to catch, and with a Guardian GI inside, they will scrap it easily. This is actually similar to the Light Tank tactic that was in RA1, where Light Tanks could solo Heavy Tanks by constantly moving around and heckling the tanks by dancing in and out of their range so they couldn't shoot effectively.
Lack of a rotating turret AND inability to fire while moving. Most vehicles in the game can't fire while moving. Tesla, Mirage, Prism, IFV, Flak Track, Magnetron which puts them at an intrinsic disadvantage against standard tanks.
Miners have a different armor type than other vehicles. It is generally between light and armored vehicles, but against certain stuff like Tank Destroyers it has insane resist against. Probably for balance reasons, to prevent Germany from harassing miners easily.
I remember when I played with Iraq against Germany. They kept sending on 4 tank destroyers at a time but one desolator was enough to kill them by maintaining radiation on the ground and single targeting them one by one.
Germany was useless in this game. The tank destroyer didn't have amazing armor and wasn't much of a benefit. France's grand cannon is a thousand times better.
@@mauro100 yes the tesla tanks were not very effective. Personally I would prefer a fully promoted grizzly over a fully promoted tank destroyer, has more of an edge against infantry. It's not a bad unit it's just that it sucks that it's Germany's special unit.
Iraq so desolator is more useful than tank destroyer or tesla (except full promoted tesla. Full promoted tesla fire like prism tank so full promoted tesla better than it) @@JeriDro
A tank destroyer is just a sniper in tank form. Germanys tank destroyer unit was only one tweak away from being worth using: have an attack range that's at least 5 or 6 times longer than what's been in the game.
I remember the Tank destroyer being the least liked of the allied special nation specific units because it can't properly target moving units so it's dps is bad against any vehicles that move. It has been about 18 years though so maybe I'm wrong.
You're correct. The main problem of TD is no turret, so any Sov player used to just weave past you with tanks and abuse the turret control to get round the back. If you're constantly moving they are prone to misses and its turn-rate is god awful. Add to that, other factions are better and generally have answers to the Desolator, the most spammed unit in Sov arsenal. Against Yuri they just are mind control fodder that aren't worth building at all. Germany: Tank Destroyer is good on stationary targets but enemy with actual game knowledge will run you into the ground. They become veteracy promos for enemy Rhinos and stuff. High cost. Only play Germany for the F10 laugh. 2/10 unit. UK: Sniper, can put in Battle Fortress. Sniper IFV can also harass Yuri eco with decent micromanagement but requires high APM. Sniper counters Deso, though Flak Track bombs with them in present the biggest issue. Still, a useful unit- not great but not the worst either. 6/10 America: Free paradrops of GI's are incredibly useful against tank rushes to prop up plastic Grizz tanks with some defense. Deployed GI is one of strongest Allied arsenal units, can control neutral structures or deny. Only need AFC to start their cooldown timer. GI can also drop on clifftops to destroy buildings without retaliation. Spy can also promote if you use IFV with one smartly, so you can spawn veteran GI's very fast to a critical mass. Still, main weakness is Deso but advantages early make them (arguably) the best Allied faction. 8/10 Korea: Black Eagles are crazy good items. Decent air control means you can harass Yuri, blow up Yuri labs with 3 Eagles rather than 4 Harriers. Can one shot Magnetron- Yuri's OP unit online. One shots Desos and Flaks too. Decent micro will make them into beasts. Problem with Black Eagle is crazy cost requirement, which drop kicks it down a lot. Past early game there's no point in them either. Flak spam, Guardian GI BFs and Yuri Gatts make them useless. Still, makes your air game a lot more viable if you know what you're doing. 7/10 France: Big gun go brrr. Can range from OP to shit depending on the map. Can generally screw over Yuri to the point he needs to tech up to Floating Disc. Cannon can be put on clifftop sometimes that makes them outrange Magnetron, Allies biggest threat early. x2 of them screws over Rhino spam with some backup. If you can get away with the investment they're the best defense in the game. Main problem is cost at $2000 and power. Power sapping for each cannon can be a detriment to a base and late game Yuri disc power down a power plant = GG base. Yuri should always be teching to Floating Disc anyway, but it can scare off his trash units. Problem is then Yuri has more cash to waste on teching because you spend more on defense. Generally the strat is to Engi IFV someone, put a cannon down and then laugh spam as you target his critical structures. 4/10 to 8.5/10 depending on map. Requires a lot of gems to pull it off, generally gets you flamed online for being a France lamer or something.
@@TheKnightOfSmite I more or less agree on all the points except the most spammed of Soviet units. One of the meta's is Rhino tanks and attack dogs let and right, the dogs existing to create target clutter and distract enemy units from engaging the rhino tanks right away. When it came to the allied units the only ones who could truly 100% turtle against any opponent in non super weapons were the French who when you combined the grand cannon with gap generators and prism towers/patriot missiles. Where as turtling against allies as soviet and yuri results in them bringing prism tanks which outrange all base defenses. From what I recall 8? prism tanks can one shot any building. Interestingly the GB sniper is a hard counter to the US as it can shut down the paratrooper ability. Something I leaned well as a USA main. If your enemy was a moron or inattentive though the 10 man paradrop in their base could kill a con yard in seconds. I've had numerous games where the paratroops basically gutted an enemy base but the most painful would be against a south korean allies player. I can think of multiple instances of 4-6 air force commands all stocked with black eagles dying to 1 paradrop.
@@TheKnightOfSmiteGrand Cannon is the one I remember enjoying the most. So, Black Eagles are the best Allied special unit? What about the other factions?
It is not Miner's which are OP - their health is within balanced territory. It is anti-armor which is imba - Tank Destroyers, GGIs, etc. Therefore MEDIUM armor counters anti-armor - else you could cheaply amass these anti-armor units and cripple another's economy.
Miners actually do make a very effective middleground, because they counter a LOT of common place stuff. Their armor is strong enough to kill any infantry without much threat; they can often go toe to toe with tanks, an actual Strategy for Soviet Players, is to send War Miners in with tanks, because they sponge damage like crazy. And against Yuri, they are invaluable, because they are immune to Mind Control.
Not a tank i cant break, except you lost against slave miner in normal rank, lost to some elite tanks in normal rank, mostly win against most tanks when elite.
Unless you are the US, adding a turret on a tank destroyer just makes it a regular tank. IRL Tank Destroyers are made for the sole purpose of destroying enemy armour from afar while being cheaper than a regular tank being made up of a converted chassis, casemate and gun rather than the conventional chassis, turret and gun. Tank Destroyers typically enjoy the benefit of a stronger/larger gun thanks to their casemate compared to conventional tanks which is more expensive since they have to design and produce an entirely new turret for the same larger gun In Game, they should have just buffed the Range and accuracy allowing them to be direct-fire artillery rather than being up close against tanks with turrets that can just run around them
Apfsds. Think of a giant metal dart. Go through a vehicle and spall kills the entire crew. Same dart, blasts a few room and does minum damage on the building.
That's mostly pointless. Veteran gives all units 1.5x health and 1.1x damage. Only in fringe cases where Veteran rank allows a unit to survive 1 hit does it swing a fight in its favor (i.e. veteran conscripts take 2 sniper shots to kill as opposed to 1).
Always remember these TD quotes to guide you in using it:
"Not a tank? I can't break."
"No armor? Is too tough."
💀
LOL so true! xD
Not a tank I can't break."
"No armor is too tough."
😂😂😂Lol yeah exactly
Tank Destroyer: "No armour's too tough!"
Apoc Tank: "These will be your last moments."
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 1 Year old kid is salty 😁
@@mikuhatsune8121 I just bearly write some quotes. Did your mommy not love you enough that you have to rain on other people's parade? 🥰
@@khaiphamba5991 in your dream stop crying 1 Year old kid is salty 😁
@@mikuhatsune8121 Never had a love of your momma, didn't you? Poor pathetic thing 🥰
@@mikuhatsune8121bot
"No armor's too tough!"
Pillbox: Is that a challenge?
Pillbox is no armor...so no armor's too tough
@@shepherdlavellen3301 underrated comment
Pillbox is being sprayed by paintball
All these years, he was trying to warn us...
skyrim belongs to the nords
Tank Destroyer: Not a tank i can't break.
Apocalypse Tank: Ooo Really?
Apocalypse Tank: "These will be your last moments."
and then...
Battle Fortress(with GGIs): "We will crush 'em!"
@@jujauyuh6044 for the price, loaded B.F must win against Apoc.
@@ruddyxmax I think bf can crush apcalyse, only thing bf can’t crush is mcv
Apocalypse is suck stop crying 1 Year old kid is salty 😁
@@mikuhatsune8121 miku hatsune is suck stop crying 1 Year old kid is salty :)
Tank destroyer: You call that ARMOR?
Infanrty: YES.
Something worth mentioning; is that the Tank Destroyer's biggest flaw, is it's lack of a rotary turret. Being based on a Howitzer; it's designed for shooting in only one direction. However, this creates an issue. Most Tanks can be ordered to drive around a Tank destroyer, which will greatly reduce it's accuracy; causing it to miss often. If you have your tanks drive around it using the Attack 2 command, which will have them attack any enemies on their way to the location; Tank Destroyers are basically done for most of the time. IFVs are the most effective for this, since their fast speed is very hard for the Tank Destroyer to catch, and with a Guardian GI inside, they will scrap it easily.
This is actually similar to the Light Tank tactic that was in RA1, where Light Tanks could solo Heavy Tanks by constantly moving around and heckling the tanks by dancing in and out of their range so they couldn't shoot effectively.
Lack of a rotating turret AND inability to fire while moving. Most vehicles in the game can't fire while moving. Tesla, Mirage, Prism, IFV, Flak Track, Magnetron which puts them at an intrinsic disadvantage against standard tanks.
They should give it more range or damage for having a fixed turret
You buy: Tank Destroyers
Enemy uses: Infantry
Result = massive road kills 😂😂😂😂
Crush
Who use tank to kill infantry just crush them
Tesla Trooper:
- Pathetic...
The war miner is always deceptively strong, I wonder if there's a strategy that involves them outside their intended use.
Yes, if you use them as fodder at the front for enemy units to target instead of your longer range damage dealers
War miners are immune to mind control, so you may use them to invade Yuri base.
Warminer Rush
Miners have a different armor type than other vehicles. It is generally between light and armored vehicles, but against certain stuff like Tank Destroyers it has insane resist against. Probably for balance reasons, to prevent Germany from harassing miners easily.
War miner is good against Tanya and Boris
Tesla-Tank: Why do I even exist in this game?
To counter infantry/heroes
That sparked my curiosity
Eh Shoot essential building over walls?
Its actually strong but not vs a TD
TD is so good against tanks, and exceptionally well on heavy armor. Aside from that it's really the most useless shit.
The tank would be really good if it didn't have such slow turning speed. Most of the time it can't shoot because it is being flanked by its target.
@@Sunnysideanyway that and the fact that vehicle that move slightly fast can literally juke its shell.
Because it cannot turn, it only can shoot into one direction, they cannot do retreat + shoot like what grizzly and rhino can.
I agree but its useful for base defense against tanks
I remember when I played with Iraq against Germany. They kept sending on 4 tank destroyers at a time but one desolator was enough to kill them by maintaining radiation on the ground and single targeting them one by one.
Germany was useless in this game. The tank destroyer didn't have amazing armor and wasn't much of a benefit. France's grand cannon is a thousand times better.
true
@@mauro100 yes the tesla tanks were not very effective. Personally I would prefer a fully promoted grizzly over a fully promoted tank destroyer, has more of an edge against infantry. It's not a bad unit it's just that it sucks that it's Germany's special unit.
Tank destroyers have the exact same armour as a rhino tank (400 HP).
Iraq so desolator is more useful than tank destroyer or tesla (except full promoted tesla. Full promoted tesla fire like prism tank so full promoted tesla better than it) @@JeriDro
A tank destroyer is just a sniper in tank form. Germanys tank destroyer unit was only one tweak away from being worth using: have an attack range that's at least 5 or 6 times longer than what's been in the game.
Never stop cheering for the TD vs TD.
I remember the Tank destroyer being the least liked of the allied special nation specific units because it can't properly target moving units so it's dps is bad against any vehicles that move. It has been about 18 years though so maybe I'm wrong.
You're correct. The main problem of TD is no turret, so any Sov player used to just weave past you with tanks and abuse the turret control to get round the back. If you're constantly moving they are prone to misses and its turn-rate is god awful. Add to that, other factions are better and generally have answers to the Desolator, the most spammed unit in Sov arsenal. Against Yuri they just are mind control fodder that aren't worth building at all.
Germany: Tank Destroyer is good on stationary targets but enemy with actual game knowledge will run you into the ground. They become veteracy promos for enemy Rhinos and stuff. High cost. Only play Germany for the F10 laugh. 2/10 unit.
UK: Sniper, can put in Battle Fortress. Sniper IFV can also harass Yuri eco with decent micromanagement but requires high APM. Sniper counters Deso, though Flak Track bombs with them in present the biggest issue. Still, a useful unit- not great but not the worst either. 6/10
America: Free paradrops of GI's are incredibly useful against tank rushes to prop up plastic Grizz tanks with some defense. Deployed GI is one of strongest Allied arsenal units, can control neutral structures or deny. Only need AFC to start their cooldown timer. GI can also drop on clifftops to destroy buildings without retaliation. Spy can also promote if you use IFV with one smartly, so you can spawn veteran GI's very fast to a critical mass. Still, main weakness is Deso but advantages early make them (arguably) the best Allied faction. 8/10
Korea: Black Eagles are crazy good items. Decent air control means you can harass Yuri, blow up Yuri labs with 3 Eagles rather than 4 Harriers. Can one shot Magnetron- Yuri's OP unit online. One shots Desos and Flaks too. Decent micro will make them into beasts. Problem with Black Eagle is crazy cost requirement, which drop kicks it down a lot. Past early game there's no point in them either. Flak spam, Guardian GI BFs and Yuri Gatts make them useless. Still, makes your air game a lot more viable if you know what you're doing. 7/10
France: Big gun go brrr. Can range from OP to shit depending on the map. Can generally screw over Yuri to the point he needs to tech up to Floating Disc. Cannon can be put on clifftop sometimes that makes them outrange Magnetron, Allies biggest threat early. x2 of them screws over Rhino spam with some backup. If you can get away with the investment they're the best defense in the game. Main problem is cost at $2000 and power. Power sapping for each cannon can be a detriment to a base and late game Yuri disc power down a power plant = GG base. Yuri should always be teching to Floating Disc anyway, but it can scare off his trash units. Problem is then Yuri has more cash to waste on teching because you spend more on defense. Generally the strat is to Engi IFV someone, put a cannon down and then laugh spam as you target his critical structures. 4/10 to 8.5/10 depending on map. Requires a lot of gems to pull it off, generally gets you flamed online for being a France lamer or something.
@@TheKnightOfSmite I more or less agree on all the points except the most spammed of Soviet units. One of the meta's is Rhino tanks and attack dogs let and right, the dogs existing to create target clutter and distract enemy units from engaging the rhino tanks right away.
When it came to the allied units the only ones who could truly 100% turtle against any opponent in non super weapons were the French who when you combined the grand cannon with gap generators and prism towers/patriot missiles. Where as turtling against allies as soviet and yuri results in them bringing prism tanks which outrange all base defenses. From what I recall 8? prism tanks can one shot any building.
Interestingly the GB sniper is a hard counter to the US as it can shut down the paratrooper ability.
Something I leaned well as a USA main. If your enemy was a moron or inattentive though the 10 man paradrop in their base could kill a con yard in seconds. I've had numerous games where the paratroops basically gutted an enemy base but the most painful would be against a south korean allies player. I can think of multiple instances of 4-6 air force commands all stocked with black eagles dying to 1 paradrop.
@@TheKnightOfSmiteGrand Cannon is the one I remember enjoying the most. So, Black Eagles are the best Allied special unit? What about the other factions?
Sniper vs tank destroyer
I'm suddenly curious how well TDs stack up against ground-attacking Aegis cruisers.
War Miner on Tank Destroyer..
Your struggling do you?? 😂😂😂
Tank Destroyer, Meet Apocalypse Tank
It is not Miner's which are OP - their health is within balanced territory. It is anti-armor which is imba - Tank Destroyers, GGIs, etc. Therefore MEDIUM armor counters anti-armor - else you could cheaply amass these anti-armor units and cripple another's economy.
Miners actually do make a very effective middleground, because they counter a LOT of common place stuff. Their armor is strong enough to kill any infantry without much threat; they can often go toe to toe with tanks, an actual Strategy for Soviet Players, is to send War Miners in with tanks, because they sponge damage like crazy. And against Yuri, they are invaluable, because they are immune to Mind Control.
war miner is op as fk
"DEUTSCHLAND'S FINEST!"
No wonder they lost two WW.
the world need this kind of analysis
I think RR2 of it was released after 2010 , an update will be to make Tank destroyer dealing damage for buildings and infentry like any tank.
what does RR2 stand for?
If there's one thing I've learned from these it's this: Miners are OP.
1 year kid stop crying kid
Well yes they are designed to resist ambushes when collecting ore
Just imagine if the tank destroyer had Anti Aircraft missiles
At this point only infantry and building can survive
tank destroyer can shred through steel armor easily but can’t beat wood to concrete building lol
Not a tank i cant break, except you lost against slave miner in normal rank, lost to some elite tanks in normal rank, mostly win against most tanks when elite.
^^^^^ Soviet Propaganda.
stop crying kid
Slave Miners count as buildings actually. So it makes sense why they lose to them.
Slave miner is cheating coz it's part-structure...
@@Fudgeoff6628 apocalypse is suck stop crying 1 year old kid
If tank destroyers have rotating turret they actually could be good, since Soviet is counting on rhino tank duels while ally win late.
Unless you are the US, adding a turret on a tank destroyer just makes it a regular tank. IRL Tank Destroyers are made for the sole purpose of destroying enemy armour from afar while being cheaper than a regular tank being made up of a converted chassis, casemate and gun rather than the conventional chassis, turret and gun. Tank Destroyers typically enjoy the benefit of a stronger/larger gun thanks to their casemate compared to conventional tanks which is more expensive since they have to design and produce an entirely new turret for the same larger gun
In Game, they should have just buffed the Range and accuracy allowing them to be direct-fire artillery rather than being up close against tanks with turrets that can just run around them
Makes me wonder what kind of ammunition can break mobile vehicles so easily, but can't break fortified buildings.
Apfsds. Think of a giant metal dart. Go through a vehicle and spall kills the entire crew.
Same dart, blasts a few room and does minum damage on the building.
@@EndlessScore Not just APFSDS but generally any other Solid Shot APs (AP Shells with no HE Fillers), right?
I’d love to see a decent balance patch update for YR that’s not over the top, just a good balance and rework for some countries units.
讚！
Where tf is Battle Fortress
I remember the TD being pretty crap.
Like it didnt do that much damage as this and was weak to anything else
Any links to a soundboard with the Tank Destroyer qoutes?
Weird the grinder win
2:09
of doom
what do you have against lasher tanks? (Awesome vids btw - just curious lol)
Þey wouldn't be as useless, if þey actually could aim.
but try against infantry or building s lol
Not a good idea, their weapon is only good against tanks, very weak on people and buildings.
Idk why but grizzly have more damage to building this is curious
1% to against
this tank should be as strong as the apoc but it isn't
It should be at least like grizly against people or buildings , or have AA. SO so weak vs non - tanks
Tank electric 3000.
The unit was useless against structures and infantry making it not versatile enough to actually be put to good use.
I played the German version of the game and there the Tank Destroer sounds like a n*zi
No veteran testing?
i don't want to get you all bored with videos being too long
That's mostly pointless. Veteran gives all units 1.5x health and 1.1x damage. Only in fringe cases where Veteran rank allows a unit to survive 1 hit does it swing a fight in its favor (i.e. veteran conscripts take 2 sniper shots to kill as opposed to 1).
And to be fair, do you really think _anyone_ is getting a Heroic TD?
Lasher tank is not in a category of tanks.
I believe they are identical stat wise to grizzly tanks.
@@TeaserTravlein not identical but literally the same stats down to the weapon entry.
DUITSLAND FINEST 😂
I never liked him.
Too little armor too weak against buildings.
td is the most overrated unit in ra2. cant even 1v1 apocalypse and pretty much useless vs non-tank units
Lasher Tank is just too weak.
It's almost a reskin of grizzly tank
most useless unit