@@KiwiKiwi-Aotearoa If we ever needed proof that Lucasfilm doesn't understand Star Wars, Acolyte is that. No writer of that show has ever watched the movies or read the books.
@@Ihavethetouch Yeah it’s sad, is there anyone at Lucas Film that care anymore? People say it’s Dave Filoni but he did approve a lot of weird things in the Acolyte.
And I think something modern entertainment forgot is that we do not need our main characters to be the good guys. Death Note has an evil protagonist and you might see his perspective, but his words and actions actually made me recon with my own excuses or views I have. A villain protagonist in Star Wars has so much untapped potential.
Perhaps you could say that the Jedis in the Acolyte are living in the aftermath of the War against the Nihil and the Nameless. Desilusionised old Warveterans and cynics.... Its a wild guess but perhaps some kind of a possible explanation.
It's more about commenting on the world we live in, including trying to comment on western religions, rather than understanding how the universe can be used to explore a concept or show a better world. They always say representation is important because we don't have enough of it, then they will make the jedi seem evil instead of showing them avoid the immoral pitfalls many religion falls into.
Right! It really does seem like many SW stories nowdays base it off fan discourse or clickbait articles. I should really avoid these conversations because it really shouldn't be this annoying or confusing. The Prequels were shittily written AND most jedi are background characters meaning undeveloped. We should stop using it as a source. Sorry to get meta, but I sincerely think too many of us, Americans, cannot think of religion being anything other than the Southern Baptist Christianity stereotypes. And they really really should understand things other than American experiences. Edit: And I think something we forgot is that we do not need our main characters to be the good guys. Death Note has an evil protagonist and you might see his perspective, but his words and actions actually made me recon with my own excuses or views I have. A villain protagonist in Star Wars has so much untapped potential. Also, Happy Spooky Month🦇🍂🎃
@@ThreadBareHope1234 PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord! Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it! I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died. God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. Repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart, that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins. For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him. Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible. The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil". LORD willing, all humans may commit sin of almost every kind (gay, straight), and that's wrong, and all humans sin, as God tells us through the The Holy Bible, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.", "Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you." and, “For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
2:07 And to cut Lucas even more slack, Obi-Wan's not entirely wrong, either. Anakin was basically dead, consumed by Vader. It's another beautiful example of what the dark side does to you. It took the Prequels to really cement that story. It took Luke to turn Anakin back to the light, something Obi-Wan and Yoda weren't even sure was possible for Vader. Vader died as soon as Anakin made the choice to save his son and overthrew the Emperor down a reactor shaft.
No. Cutting Lucas slack in this is part of his problem: sometimes he is really bad at communicating crucial information to the audience, which then has to infer it from vague clues and conjecture.
Interestingly, Yoda and Obi-Wan are highly sceptical about the possibility of reaching Anakin, but they still help Luke by giving him the tools and perspectives he'll need to do it.
@@mpnuorvaWait what? Lucas literally connects nearly every plot thread. Almost nothing is left behind. Even in the little scenes such as when Grievous flies down to Utapau, or Obi-Wan talks to Jango Fett, and many others, Lucas makes sure to try and patch as many little threads as possible.
The difference is the acolyte presents the Sith and dark side users as sympathetic entities and the Jedi as their oppressors. The Sith are the oppressors, the Jedi were flawed but well intentioned in the PT and OT era. GL always intended the force to be binary light and dark, not the gray gobbledygook that Disney has given us.
@@Joe-PrzybranowskiNo matter how slice it the Sith will always be the bad guys no matter the intentions if it justifies or not the dark side corrupts and make them evil.
My take has been that by the time the Clone Wars actually began, Sidious' plan was already so far advanced that the Jedi basically had the choice of either fighting with the Republic or seeing it get destroyed. The failure of the Jedi was not detecting the return of the Sith earlier.
@@christovog Well, the person whose question Thor answered seemed to think the Jedi should have stayed out of the war. I think their chance of doing that passed years earlier.
2:08 Well Lucas kind of addressed that in Revenge of the Sith when Yoda tells Obi-Wan after he sees the security hologram of Anakin slaughtering Jedi “Twisted by the Dark Side, young Skywalker has become. The boy you trained, gone, he is. Consumed by Darth Vader.” Also, do keep in mind the Obi-Wan “Ben” Kenobi that Luke meets in A New Hope is a broken man who survived a holocaust and will do whatever it takes to make sure Luke doesn’t suffer the same fate as Anakin even if it means lying to him.
Well there also the whole speech he makes after he beats Vader. The novelization makes it clear that is the moment he realizes Yoda was right about Anakin being gone. For me it was around the time he chocked Padme, but the point is that Anakin wasn’t who Obi-Wan faced on Mustafar. It was Vader. Also he wasn’t broken in A New Hope he was just keeping a low profile. In the film we see still has his wit and was quite personable for a hermit.
True. And Luke having such a good view of his dad and being inspired by his dad was important to making sure Luke met his destiny. Luke should have a role model, and hope, so of course Obi wan only focused on the positive. He probably only wanted to remember the good side of Anakin too
Even in real life you don’t tell a teenager that his dead father was a piece of crap the second you meet him. Maybe ease into that conversation later if you need to.
@@soyevquirsefron990Not to mention it was their design to train Luke to kill both Vader and Palpatine and Luke knowing he was his father too early would cause Luke to sympathize with him and might even join him, dooming the galaxy.
Darth plagius described it best "the jedi have lost the allegiance of the force, they serve the republic as if it was the will of the force". In other words the jedi fell due to dogma surrounding their loyalty to the republic, as the republic fell it dragged the jedi down with them. Meanwhile in the acolyte the jedi are just stupid with the exception of vinestra who was just evil.
Who's dagma? The Republic?? Being an instrument of the Republic or being rigid are two separate ideas but you word it like it's the exact same thing. The Prequels were poorly written. We shouldn't just vomit tictok grade takes and content to try explaining this. Full stop
@@GAdmThrawn I feel we have forgotten protagonist view aren't always good view. You can have a villain protagonist that everyone knows is wrong. One of my favorite shows is Death Note (anime) and it's great because there is a villain protagonist that we may agree with at the start, but the way he puts his view into actions makes me question my own views, and root for the FBI, of all things. Meanwhile, Acolyte. The villain protagonist has a lot of positive potential, ironically. Making us recon with either how bad people control others or our own capacity for evil doings.
4:59 There is a Dark Horse comic that actually answers this question, because it is not a new one. This is from Clone Wars Volume 1, "The Defense of Kamino and other tales:" K'Kruhk (after explaining to Mace Windu that he did not want to sacrifice lives to achieve a goal, while the clones were willing to die): "As a Jedi, I was taught to preserve life. I led these clones --no, these -_-men-_- --- to their deaths. These were living, sentient beings. What I have been asked to do is the opposite of everything I was trained to do as a Jedi. It betrays everything I believe we are meant to _be_ as Jedi. How can you ask this?" Mace Windu: "Throughout our history, Jedi have taken the lead in times of conflict. We do what is necessary -- and this war is a sad necessity." Mira: "I -- and those for whome I speak -- believe that this war represents a _failure_ to listen. Among the Confederacy are those with _just_ complaints. We need to _stop_ the fighting and let _diplomacy_ resume." Mace Windu: "For diplomacy to succeed, _both_ sides must be willing to talk." Rhad Tarn: "Maybe we're on the _wrong_ side! We Jedi should be fighting with the _Confederacy_ -- not the _Republic_! When I was a padawan, we spent almost all of our time out in the fringes of the Republic on journey missions. I've _seen_ the results of the Republic's corruption! The Senate doesn't _care_ about slave trade, or illegal prisons, or the laborers in the spice mines! Not so long as the _pockets_ of the senators _bulge_! And we Jedi _are_ tainted by our connections to the Republic! Many see us as its _enforcers_! We're on the _wrong_ _side_! We should be helping to bring the Republic _down_ -- once and for all!" Mace Windu: "Do you think the Council has not considered your questions -- _all_ of your questions -- before? That we do not _still_? Do you think your wisdom _greater_ than say, Master Yoda?"
Acolyte Jedi are are really stupid And the prequel Jedi were scared of the Dark side, and as we know, fear leads to anger, anger to hate, hate leads to suffering
@@emberfist8347 Yoda taught students to ignore their visions because sometimes they become self-fulfilling prophecy. Why would you ban some thing that has a small chance of happening unless you’re afraid of it?
@@emberfist8347 Looking at Anakin case it best for him to ignore it focus on the here and now plus Yoda might have experience with visions himself so he knows what he talking about.
Haven't watched the video yet, but I find the difference between the thumbnail images fascinating. Vernestra Rwoh, despite being a real human with makeup, somehow looks rather fake because of the flat lightning and lack of detail. Yoda, meanwhile, is CGI but has a ton of detail and extremely dynamic lighting. I know one is a TV show and the other is a movie, but the difference in quality grabbed my attention. The prequels are often criticized for not looking as good as the originals or sequels, but shots like this show that in many ways they're still far ahead of some modern SW projects.
The thing about the prequel Jedi is that they are genuinely trying to do what they think is best for the people they're serving, even if a lot of their actions end up causing more harm than good in the long run. The Acolyte, on the other hand, was clearly written by someone who thinks moral complexity means making the "good guys" morons and telling the audience to overlook the questionable actions of the "bad guys" simply because they have tragic backstories or "understandable" motivations
People like to judge the Jedi from their hindsight vantage points, but the truth is no one can serve two masters, the will of the force and the good of the Republic are going to at some point diverge from each other. I suppose if anything, this is the primary failing of the Jedi in not recognizing this would be inevitable and being prepared to let the Republic stand on its own without them. Then again, they did that during the Mandalorian Wars and it birthed Darth Revan's Sith order, so... I've come to believe that the will of the force is not unlike mother nature in our own world, this unseeable, intangible thing that uses conflict and struggle to gradually push species forward little by little, as no matter which path is taken this seems to be the result. Maybe the Sith, not Disney's Sith, are actually closer to understanding it than the Jedi are after all.
Thor, if you allow me, I have a good argument for the Jedi entering the war. First, they were fighting against robots, they weren't going against living beings for the most part. And when they were it was always in self defense or in defense of others. The first time they stepped out of it was when Anakin fought Dooku and you know what happened.
Thanks for answering my question Thor, I completely agree with you. While I would be interested in seeing how past Skywalkers lived I would also be worried about Disney messing it up.
The entire cast of the Acolyte is in a steel cage grudge match, fighting for the solitary brain cell. I unironically think the characters are too dumb and poorly written to try and assess their moral culpability.
Hey Thor, One of my favorite ideals set by the Jedi has always been the rule of loving without exclusion for some over others. Hopefully I'm getting the philosophy intended, as from my view the meaning of this is to respect and value the well-being of everyone equally with no favoritism and to accept both the good and the bad you experience with them as long as they are not infringing on the rights of others. It's an ideal that, while difficult to practice in real life, is one that I feel we haven't had enough of in this world for at least some time. These days, it seems we are encouraged to be as selective as possible in choosing those you associate with and come to know as people. If someone doesn't immediately agree with or has reservations about certain things that you value or believe in, they're immediately cast out of the conversation or group they were once a part of without any interest in hearing their point of view. I feel like these expectations have caused most of the social problems we see today with little good coming out of them but that hasn't stopped anyone from reconsidering how this is affecting themselves and the people they treat this way. I understand that, unlike Jedi, we all have individual desires and relationships we value above all others. But the big question from me is, why hasn't this been recognized as the detriment it is to everyone, and what can we do to mitigate it in our daily lives?
I think this is a really great point. The Jedi strove for balance; they didn't view someone opposing them (unless that opponent was violent or harming others) as an enemy, but someone to be reasoned with. Obi Wan is one of the most famous Jedi during the Clone Wars for his skills as a negotiator. To a Jedi, all life is precious, no matter where you're from or what species you are. It's hard sometimes to see someone else's point of view, especially when it's in opposition to yours, but it's so important to try. Unfortunately, a lot of people in the last decade or so have taken the Sith absolutism of, "you're either with me or you're my enemy." "If you don't agree with me 100% (no matter what the topic is), I'll shut you off, won't talk to you, no discussion or reasoning." It is very disheartening. We all have to strive to understand one another, or families, friends and society at large will start to tear apart. Sorry for the essay, it's been something weighing on my mind recently.
PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord! Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it! I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died. God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. Repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart, that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins. For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him. Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible. The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil". LORD willing, all humans may commit sin of almost every kind (gay, straight), and that's wrong, and all humans sin, as God tells us through the The Holy Bible, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.", "Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you." and, “For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
@@sparkycjs PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord! Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it! I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died. God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. Repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart, that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins. For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him. Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible. The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil". LORD willing, all humans may commit sin of almost every kind (gay, straight), and that's wrong, and all humans sin, as God tells us through the The Holy Bible, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.", "Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you." and, “For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
Great point and good philosophy I think Jedi survivor tackles this topic well through the character Bode a Jedi survivor who betrays you to the empire for a compass to a uninhabited planet that is safe from the empire for himself and daughter. Once you finish the game and gain more information you realize Bode wife was killed by an inquisitor which bode in revenge join the empire intelligence agency for his daughter safety and to kill inquisitor but once he gain enough information from cal,the crew and hidden path he ratted them out let innocent die for his daughter safety it one of the reasons why the Jedi don’t allow attachments.
Whatever Lesyle Headland was attempting to do in The Acolyte is a bad comparison to anything else in Star Wars, because that (The Acolyte) fan fiction was an outlet for Leslye Headland's psychology rather than a true representation of what the Jedi should have been.
Hey Thor, I was just rereading one of my favorite “legends” novels outbound flight (“legends” in quotations because I’m pretty sure in lesser evil Zahn still makes outbound flight, or at least Thrass dying in a crashing ship with a Jedi cannon) and I only just realized (I think) that Zahn gives a good explanation as to why there are less force sensitive children in the galaxy by the rise of the Empire because so many families with potential left the galaxy. What do you think? Am I reading too much into it? Thanks
As I’ve heard, the Jedi were not just recruited - they were drafted into the Clone Wars. Legally speaking, they didn’t have a choice. And even if they did, keep in mind that the CIS vastly outnumbered the GAR. If the Jedi refused to fight, the Sith would just use the Droid Army to demolish the Republic and then destroy the Jedi. This was a masterfully executed plan by the Sith. It was checkmate from the moment the Clone Wars began, perhaps even since the events of the Phantom Menace.
Hey Thor, what would you think of the idea of doing a "war movie" style movie set in Star Wars? Something akin to Saving Private Ryan, Thunder, or 1917. I feel like something with Temura Morison set during the Clone Wars with a tone closer to that of Andor could be REALLY cool.
Thank you so much for responding to my question, And a lot of the reasons you cited are mine aswell The prequel era they were in the middle of a war and couldn't afford any internal scandal that could compromise the war effort In Acolyte Vernestra wanted to preserve the orders reputation. Honestly this would've been an interesting topic to explore but they never did That scene with Vernestra and that senator was the closest we got and it's only shoved in the finale, this should've been shifted earlier and she should've gotten more scenes explaining why she's keeping things under wraps but we never do They obviously shoved this in to tease us for a season 2 that spoiler alert won't happen
Hey Thor. I was wondering if you've read Shadows of the Empire or played the game. If so, do you think it would be cool to have Prince Xizor to come into canon? I'd figure it be an easy thing to do since Black sun is already part of canon and I think he could be tied to Darth Maul. I'd love reading that book and I was thinking how he was such an underrated character.
Aren’t the Jedi pretty darn sure that a Sith is behind the separatists in the Clone Wars? I always thought they joined the war because they felt their order’s association with the republic was what was driving the war in the first place
They more or less say they would be neutral in the event of a war during the meeting with Palpatine at the beginning of AotC. When Dooku reveals he's fallen to the Dark Side and all but admits to being a Sith Lord, they have no choice but to take a side in the war. Up until that point, they wanted to maintain their role of peace maker in the galaxy. Up until the war started, everyone who would go onto form the CIS were under the protection of the Jedi. That was something the Jedi were not eager to see changed for any reason. And once the war started, overnight, everyone in the CIS considered the Jedi as their enemies, despite many Jedi being from CIS worlds, and thousands of years of service devoted to protecting those peoples and worlds. Centuries of trust and good will of galactic proportions lost in a single moment.
@@emberfist8347 Specifically, Windu said they are keepers of the peace, not soldiers. At this point, they're also confident that Dooku is on the level. They're not going to come out and say they will be neutral or that they won't defend the Republic, since it is their job to defend the Republic after all. What the Jedi are going to do and what the Jedi can do are all part of the Jedi's strategy in governing the Republic. They will never claim to be invincible or all-knowing, but they aren't going to go out of their way to tell everyone else that. "Only a Sith knows of their weakness."
@@DisFantasy Mace was simply saying they don’t have the manpower to be an army. They are however willing to fight for peace. It is why they keep fighting the Sith. They use all peaceful options first and violence as a last resort.
12:49 I completely understand your view here, Thor. While I do enjoy Battle of the Heroes & Villains, I do not want to see it be Acolyte Character after Acolyte Character while beating a dead horse. I do think it would be interesting to see some Acolyte Characters, I would rather have it be how the Sequel Trilogy Characters were done. Where one Sequel Trilogy character was covered then we switched to characters from Legends, or other Star Wars Media like Andor. Either way, I enjoy your videos and I am excited about what you have coming next.
@@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS My point is that the work of art like Star Wars should be preserved for future generations, the real deal, not that hamfisted imitation of what Kathleen Kennedy thinks about when making Star Wars.
Hey, Thor. - Thinking of some other media, "Fallout" (the Amazon series), had a ton of good lines. The one thT I love is when Helzeig comes across Lucy and asks her "Will you want the same things when you become a different animapl?: Des this fit the Star Wars story? It's just something that stuck with me.
I really want more Old Republic characters covered in your heroes versus Villains videos like Darth Malgus. But for some reason most of your audience wants Canon characters from the live action and animated TV shows and the movies.
Hey Thor, I’ve been wondering this along while. And I will try to explain this the best I can, so hopefully it comes out good. My question is, do we know anything about why Anakin and Padmé in episode 3 when Padmé tells Anakin she is pregnant. Why are they so concerned and worried? I know the obvious answer is they were trying to keep their love a secret, and it would have been possibly a major scandal for both of them, but I remember sitting in the theater back in 2005 and thinking, “ is there something more that could have happened to them or their child/children if the Jedi found out?” If all that was going to happen was, Padmé would have possibly lost her position in senate and Anakin would have been expelled from the Order, then why did they look and seem so scared and concerned? Is there something George Lucas or anyone else has never told us about the Jedi and the way they dealt with “problems?” I’ve never heard anyone talk about this as a possibility, and it’s bugged me since I first thought of it almost twenty years ago. What are your thoughts?
Hey Thor, just a little question I had thought of, and your mention of wanting to lean back into EU content gave me the push I needed to type it out. Basically, if you had the opportunity to experience one piece of EU content all over again as if it was the very first time, would you take that opportunity, and what content would you choose? I think I'd choose the original Thrawn trilogy personally, genuinely some of the most fun I've had with a Star Wars property.
Great video Agree with your answers. When it comes to the Acolyte it would have been great if it had been about the sith and viewed from their side. But we only got one sith (Plagueis). Qimir wasn't a sith maybe a wannabe sith no more. But it wasn't from their view at all. Don't really understand what Leslye really wanted to achieve
"If it wasn't for the Jedi, there wouldn't be Sith. It's their fault that they come about." Actually, that hits pretty close to the mark regarding how Lucas planned for the origins of the Jedi. In early drafts of the Jedi's origins, he came up that the precursors to the Sith, those Jedi who followed the Dark Side, came about after they discovered the Dark Side and began to use it. There were multiple conflicts between these two ideologies as the early Jedi followed the ways of the Light or Ashla, and fought those who chose the path of darkness or Bogan. The followers of Ashla would defeat those who followed Bogan for countless centuries before the invention of hyperspace brought this conflict to the wider galaxy, with the Jedi and the Sith being the new major philosophies that continued this conflict. Much of the Sith would not come from non-Jedi, but rather be recruited and brought in from the Jedi ranks such as Revan, Malak, Bastila Shan, Darth Ruin, Exar Kun and even later with Count Dooku, Darth Vader, Darth Caedus, and Darth Krayt. There are a multiple of factors that arise in each of these examples but it almost always comes down to the search for power that lies outsides of the Jedi's teachings and the will to take and use that power.
Hey Thor. How successful do you think a Star Wars publishing initiative can be these days? Obviously the original Thrawn trilogy was a huge success, but that was a different climate for SW. That trilogy (and Dark Empire) were the only SW releases after the OT, so it makes sense that it was treated with great fanfare and sold extremely well (as well as them being great pieces of literature). Personally, I love the High Republic books/comics and think they’re fantastic. But although they‘ve developed a niche fandom, I can’t imagine they were as successful as the original Thrawn trilogy. With Disney over saturating the market with all these TV shows and films (at least until 2021), just how successful do you think a Star Wars publishing initiative (only limited to books and comics) can be in today’s era? By publishing initiative, I mean long series (like NJO and High Republic), not just trilogies like Thrawn Ascendancy. The majority of SW fans don’t read the books, so I’m interested in what you think.
There was force use in Andor, Luthen the sith used it several times most notably escaping the empire ship. yeah im calling it , the rebellion was started by a sith the discipole cast out for vader! (rule of two)
Hey Thor I always thought the Prequels explained why the alien races were unable to fight back as well as humans in the orginal. As in the prequels almost all the big fighting in the war involves alien worlds fighting and needing the republic or becoming more dependent on Driods. In new Star Wars it feels like aliens all just like the empire we see in movies. My question is do you think Disney is making aliens bootlikers to reduce aliens in shows and movies or do you think I'm just wrong and Disney is more accurate that aliens didn't have it as bad? To me it seemed in older lore that empire wasn't great to aliens.
I do like the idea of doing Skywalker ancestor story. Best if it's a smaller scale hero... I would make them Force sensitive, but not super famous or super powerful. It's something where I think the potential is good. You just need a solid story.
The Jedi were in a no-win situation. Whether or not they chose to fight in the war didn't matter, the war had started already. Palpatine was guaranteed to win regardless of the winning side.
Always thought ‘From a certain point of view’ was unnecessary. Obi-Wan’s lie was better explained as an attempt to protect Luke from a harsh truth until he was ready to learn it.
There’s this thing called “Mission Kreep.” I think the term originated in the military, but I’m not sure. Basically, it’s when you start to do something because it’s a good thing that needs done and you have the time and resources to do it. Because you’re already doing it, you get manipulated into doing related duties, and eventually you are spending all your time and resources on these other duties to the detriment of your core mission. I think a similar thing happened to the Jedi.
While not productive, it would be kinda funny to have a prequel about the Skywalker Family, and how there was one that was such an annoying Mary Sue, they got kicked out everywhere but Tatooine. It would make the ending of Episode 9 have more meaning
i always thought that the jedi joined the war as they felt the influence of the dark side. and had to join to try to balance the influence the dark side had in the conflict. and also the loss of dooku to the seperatists side.
It is canon that Darth Revan, when he was a Jedi Knight for the second time, took the name Taris Skywalker after his mind had been wiped and he didn’t know his name was Revan. It is also written in Canon that Revan is the ancient ancestor of Anakin…which would have to be through Anakin’s mother.
Hey Thor! This is actually the second comment on this video, but I thought it would be good to point this out, since I haven't seen many people comment on it. But a fair share of people, including those who dislike the Acolyte, typically say that the choreography is the best thing about the show. However, I think the correct way to describe it is, "of all the things that the Acolyte does poorly, the thing it does poorly THE LEAST, is the choreography". As someone who grew up with the prequel trilogy, OG and Clone Wars (both versions), in addition to a lot of shounen anime and Lord Of The Rings, I appreciate great fight choreography. To me, the choreography in the Acolyte is not only cheap and sloppy, as it literally looks like choreography as opposed to an actual fight, but because often times, the choreography contradicts what we know about the characters. The main example being Jeki dual wielding and holding her own the best against Smilo Ren (the Stranger), despite being an Apprentice with no explicit lightsaber skills established prior to this. Conversly, take Will Serfort, the main protagonist of a new anime called Wistoria: Wand and Sword, whose not only born with superhuman reflexes, strength, speed and stamina, but who also is shown studying and having extensive combat knowledge, which is what allows him to stand amoung his fellow students, who all have magic, when he doesn’t. So my question to you, is A. Why do people argue or at least think the Acolyte's choreography is the best thing about the show, let alone "good"? And B. What was your least favourite fight in the Acolyte? May the Force be with you, always
Hey Thor. So instead of just leaving it open, maybe for the next Battle of Heroes and Villains (since it's like beating a dead horse), you could pick the Acolyte characters to rate and let us pick from everything else. Also, it's been a while. When you do start back up, please repost the list as a refresher.
The Acolyte should have taken a Breaking Bad approach to the Sith. The audience is shown throughout the series Walt's internal justifications for his actions, and it's clear he rarely questions his choices as he descends further into criminality. However, at no point does the show suggest that Walt is actually right nor that it is someone else's fault (despite how some fans reacted to Skylar) that he turned out the way he did. Shows and movies can be quite successful when told from the perspective of an objectively immoral character. The Acolyte, however, presents immoral characters as moral. In so doing they rob both the "good" and the "bad" characters of depth and impact. If no one is really good or bad, why is the audience to care?
Hey Thor, where would you have ended Ahsoka's story if you were writing it? I know many have said to either have it be before RotS or in the Rebels Season 2 finale, but I was wondering how you'd handle her.
Hey thor, i have always wonder if Disney some day happend to touch the old republic do you think instead of starting with big sharks like Revan, could they not start with Zayne Carrick i have always like his story and how he is fighting his own fight in clearing his name, at the same time there is this upcoming war against mandalorians.
Disney star wars has been going on for so long that people now actually believe Jedi are wrong and should be replace. Just like in the OT, their reputation has been destroyed and their lagacy ruined by an evil dictactor (Kathleen) Lol im exagerating but still kinda true
Yeah, George called the Jedi "the most moral of anybody in the galaxy" (in his words), but people think they are super deep and say that George hated the Jedi and wanted to show how rotten they were in the prequels. It's kind of unbelievable.
@@matthewk4912 Yeah. When the Prequels came out, people started claiming certain aliens were racial stereotypes in disguise. Neimodians were allegedly Asian stereotypes. Watts was supposedly a Jewish stereotype and Jar Jar was a Uncle Tom. The last one is particularly annoying as Amehd Best, who played Jar Jar was the one who gave him the things people saw and accused of being racist while the idea of him being a stereotype clashes with how the Gungans in general are depicted. It was all people looking for stuff that wasn’t there.
4:09 is basically the entire point of Revan's backstory. "Do you go to war to protect the Republic and it's inhabitants, even if it means loosing your way as Jedi, or do you stand by and do nothing, step back and let it all happen, while staying true to the Jedi Code." Meetra Surik says it (depending on your playthrough) perfectly in my opinion, when Atris talks to her about her defections, and she basically (can) say: "Yes what we did resulted in the destruction we see today, but I'd do it again because it was the right thing to do."
But Revan ended up being wrong. He fell to the dark side and killed even more people with his own war against the Republic. Plus, the Jedi were right that the Mandalorians were not the true threat. The Jedi are not supposed to do the obviously moral thing. They're supposed to pragmatically maximize what is in the best interests of everyone. Hence Kreia criticized Meetra for giving alms to a beggar. Because she just robbed the beggar of the strength to help himself.
@@vetarlittorf1807 I get the feeling Kreia wasn't speaking from a Jedi standpoint when she called out Meetra for giving charity. That's not really her thing. On the Revan question, perhaps seeing it as a binary choice is a mistake. "Save the galaxy and fall, or do nothing and remain pure" doesn't sound right; like, there's absolutely no middle ground?
Yes. KOTOR and SWTOR explained and expanded on star wars way better than all new shows and games combined. Though I do appreciate that JFO and JS can mostly stay in their own lane and tell their own story without explicitly making it about previous stories about corruption, shortsightedness, and redemption.
He did tell them. Yoda knows Darth Sidious’ name and there is no other logical reason for how he knew the name. Obi-Wan obviously figured the name was true at least. And the fact they are zeroing on the Chancellor being a Sith puppet in Revenge of the Sith points to Obi-Wan telling them the rest.
hey thor way back when "the force awakens" came out people were looking forward to a luke/snoke lightsaber duel. With the "mandalorian" film coming out could we finally see that duel, and could it be as interesting as kenobi/vader duel in "kenobi?:
Hey Thor, I always thought the Jedi were interesting not just because of their goodness and exactly what "good" is in Star Wars, but because of their flaws. I think Qui-Gon and Luke are very similar in that they each represent a different kind of Jedi that isn't like the Jedi of the late High Republic era. The Jedi as a whole were mistaken in both the original trilogy and the prequels, and Qui-Gon and Luke stood out both times as ones who could see clearer than the others could. Perhaps people would have taken the Acolyte differently if there was a stand-in for Luke, a Jedi who challenged the Jedi. Of course, you could argue that Qui-Gon didn't see things clearly at all, as there's no evidence in the films that his decisions were even remotely wise unless you believe that this was the only way the Sith could be destroyed, which would be a total contrivance that relies heavily on the chosen one trope.
Hey Thor.. So, I'm a Star Wars fan who likes both the EU and the new Canon, I do have my own opinions on the shows and I've been builled alot on Discord communities that like the EU and on TH-cam sometimes being called a shill jsut for Liking the new Star Wars Media that comes out. Like i didn't fully like Mando S3, BOBF, Kenobi, and The Acolyte but i didnt go around saying they ruined Star Wars like most people did that over reacted to stuff. Like i always have to tell these people Darth Revan and Bastila Shan are my favorite characters in the Old Republic Era, and they still call me a Shill, which is sadding. I guess what I'm trying to ask is does it really matter if you like certain things in Star Wars if there the Old Stories or the new ones because I find value in both universes. And I always say to those people that we can like what we like but keep it civil and not go at each other. Thats what it should be civil and not toxic. Also note... I never really read any of the high Republic stuff but i know its there and i like that era name, and i dig the gold and silver robes. And the Acolyte was a 4/10 for me which they should really have focused the show on Qimir since he is a interesting character and I don't care Plaguies was hiding in a cave people took thah way to seriously. Sith are always meant to be in the shadows. Also, been a fan since i was 8 and now I'm 28, and I've been around since legends was canon. I just find it hard sometimes. Being a fan who takes value in both universes. And I always have a opened mind about things. Oh and also love your videos and insights keep up the amazing work. Whah do you think??
I don't like the idea Skywalkers always be special. Shmi should be a relative random pick by force and the only backstory we "need" is hers, like how she became slave on Tatooine. Especially now when LF kills off the bloodline.
lol they didn’t know sifo dyus and palpetine made the clone army and by the time the remaining Jedi council found out that he was a sith they took immediately action. The difference is arrogance vs emo gilt no where near the same Jedi
Right - in prequels, something is in motion from the inside that requires caution for the sake of the republic - in acolyte, they sully the memory of a jedi master by pinning murders on him for the sake of their own reputation. Clear turn from moral ambiguity to selfish evil.
My response to people making this comparison, who state they are the same situation, would be two fold. The first would the metacontextual reasons and the in universe reasons. The meta reasons is the radically different approaches to "villifying" the Jedi between George Lucas and Leslye Headland. George approached the prequel era Jedi as a sign of how institutions and organisations of power can become dogmatic, stuck in their ways and ultimately can be overpowered, by one much MUCH worse. Conversely, Leslye takes issue with Jedi as a CONCEPT, and as such she's more so painting the Jedi as an organisation that is inherently problematic, as opposed to one well meaning, that ultimately was undone by the Darkness that clouded them. Moving to the in universe reasoning, the Jedi in the prequel era are well meaning, the reason they commit to the acts they do, including the ones Thor discusses in the video, is out of a desire to do good. They're decisions are more so poor, than malicious. They fall not because they're the REAL villains, but because they've temporarily lost sight of what they were fighting for, and instead began prioritising what they were against. In the Acolyte, and the High Republic in general, the Jedi make decisions purely out of a desire to be self serving. Vernestra (or Green Bean), is not covering up the murders by Smilo Ren, because it serves OTHERS, she does so because it serves HER and the Jedi Order. But what's odd, or worse is that even though Sol was shown to he wrong for covering up what occurred on Brendok, the show ALMOST wants to make it seem ok for Vernestra to do it. The difference between the Jedi during the prequel era and the High Republic era, is one falls whilst trying to do the right thing, whilst the other maintains itself, by having its Jedi constantly do the wrong thing.
Hey Thor, would you say that Star Wars going from a niche thing to mainstream is the biggest reason why it its lost it’s identity in a way? I feel like more care was put in, even if something wasn’t that good. For example, pre-2012 LucasFilm licensed many EU novels, comics and some games in various formats. Had any of those failed or been awful, no one would have cared nearly as much as they do now. Sure, we have social media now to amplify our voices and opinions way more than in the heyday of the EU and Prequels, but it was there in mid-00’s post-ROTS when the steam began to run out in the franchise as Lucas had stated ROTS was the last film and TCW wasn’t reaching nearly as many as the live action films did. It seems like now that it’s mainstream, those of us that took the time to appreciate the lore and story are drowned out by new, mainstream audiences that didn’t care before and now want it to reflect mainstream forms of entertainment without truly and fully taking the time to understand and appreciate why SW had the unique generational staying power. Not sure how else to articulate it, pretty sure I’ve asked this before, but it struck me recently that had projects like The Acolyte been a book or comic, no one would have cared really that it was terrible, especially if it was released pre-2012 Disney purchase…
This is why I’ll always say they should of just started on koriban doesn’t have to be on any darth sitha’ri timeline keep it intriguing and it’s easy like WTH is goin on 😂
The Jedi were always part of the Republic being their headquarters are in the heart of Coruscant the capitol of the Republic and always fought, remember the Sith Wars in KOTOR? Every product with Jedi has fighting
Hey Thor,i noticed a strange thing in Star Wars names. There are lots of names in pure Finnish!! For an example Antilles is inflected form from name Antti, Tarkin means most precice, Motti means cubic meter of logs, Reva means womens private parts in a rude way and Embo is a toilet paper brand. Such fun. There must be other languages too that are accidentaly used.
Some guy: the OT and PT don't make a lot of sense, do they? OT/PT fan: If you have a few minutes, I'll be more than happy to defend my claim and prove to you that they're kinda spectacular. Some guy: the ST doesn't make a lot of sense. ST fan: You're a hater.
Hey Thor, what do you think of the argument that the Jedi were idiots to get involved in the Clone Wars (morality of it all aside)? Basically, after Attack of the Clones, the Jedi know that the clone army is cloned from Jango, Dooku's hired gun. Furthermore, the Jedi have no clue who ordered the clones' creation. At best, for them, Sifo Dyas (who was a friend of Dooku) went rogue and ordered the clones, but even then, how did he fund the clones? But they should also be conscious of the possibility that someone ordered and funded the clones and framed Sifo Dyas for potentially sinister reasons (which is the reality). To take things further, toward the end of TCW, the Jedi learn that Dooku is Tyrannus and therefore Dooku was directly involved in the creation of the clone army (even if we are accepting that the clones weren't suspicious going into the war because of the reasons in the first paragraph), which raises some red flags to say the least. The explanation in the show is that the council just decides to "see what happens I guess". It is my opinion that the Jedi should consider the survival of their order to be more important than the survival of the Republic (the Republic is winning the war approaching ROTS anyway so I wouldn't even consider the Jedi necessary to the war effort by now) and with the threat of an unknown Sith plot involving the clones, the smart thing to do would be to remove the order from the war and from the politics and wait it out. What are your thoughts?
The difference is massive. The Jedi discovered that information in the twilight of The Clone Wars. The last thing The Republic needed was information that would've lowered the morale of The Republic and the citizens. The Acolyte gave no real reason to keep the return of the Sith private.
Those were the questions I felt needed to be asked And your right, there was no clear reason for Vernestra to hide this information, they should have expanded on that more They were obviously shoving this in for a season 2
Prequel Jedi were waiting for the corrupt political system to either recover or collapse, while trying to keep their hands clean. If they made a mistake, it was being too attached to the Republic, which resulted in Windu taking things into his own hands and attempting to first arrest and then execute Palpatine. As big as the Republic is, it is still not the Force, Acolyte Jedi don't act like Jedi at all.
Wait expelling Ahsoka is seen as bad? Did everyone forget all the evidence pointing towards her and how they apologized and offered to let her back in a Jedi Knight?
"Expelling Ahsoka" is not a good example, because the whole TCW'08 series had already contradicted with old EU and most canon statements, usually and mostly incarnating idiotic fan theories...
Hey Thor, I hear this comment from a small group of people about the sequel trilogy that “Star Wars fans hated the prequels too, and now they love them, same will happen with the sequel trilogy” and I was wondering if you could dig into that more? I never actually did watch the Plinket reviews of the PT, so do you know what their general complaints are? For me, it seemed like the prequels weren’t as high quality story telling as the originals, but they did have a lot of good things about them, particularly the world building around the Jedi and the Republic. In the end they added a ton to the Star Wars universe. Meanwhile the sequels weren’t just bad in quality, but they didn’t add anything of value to the mythos and in fact damaged the old movie legacy with the decisions they made to bring Palpatine back and isolate Luke. Maybe my memory is a bit biased, but it seemed like the backlash to the sequel trilogy was waaaay worse than when the prequels came out. I think the prequels just got criticism from mostly the hard core fans, and the normies seemed to still enjoy them quite a bit. I can’t say the same for the sequel trilogy, a lot of my friends who enjoy Star Wars but have only watched the movies gave up after The Last Jedi, seems like there is pretty much universal hatred for the sequels, and that isn’t changing 5 years down the road.
I think recent stories, and especially The Acolyte is trying to bring in a comparison between GL’s order and the upcoming Jedi in the New Jedi Order where Disney (and Reys 1st temple books) will try to embrace ‘true’ Jedi (as what Disney sees as most exciting to a modern audience). But the Acolytes portray of Jedi is the antithesis of what GL created them to be. I think the Acolytes portray of would have been far more profound if the Jedi actually behaved like Jedi, and not everyday people with a magic power and traditional ritualistic culture that didn’t actually serve them yet they used to hide their flaws from the galaxy. I too hate the idea that Jedi produce Sith Lords through failed teachers/teachings. GL did that so well in his saga, and Disney is repeating that motif too easily and lazily. People don’t always need a trauma to be selfish, ambitious and immoral.
Did he really try comparing what happened in The Acolyte with what happened in the OT? Obi-Wan and Yoda were training Luke to kill Vader and Palpatine. It’s why they're doing anything for him at all. And if he learned that Vader was once his father, he might not go through with it and doom the galaxy. In The Acolyte, they try covering up the murders of a few Jedi masters because it would make them look bad. And even when they covered it up, they did it in a way that was much worse than if they just told the truth.
I think it's up to you in most part to make sure The Acolyte characters aren't overly bashed in the comments you post up. As someone who actually liked the show, I'd love to contribute my input to those polls!
To clarify, I realize your content will produce a mostly negative result and mostly negative comments, but I'm certain many will either regurgitate the same talking points over and over again, or just contribute nothing worth talking about.
Hey Thor question: what if the tyranids from warhammer 40k ever to exist in the star wars universe do you think any of the star wars factions have a chance against the the tyranids? sorry I'm new to your channel and I do agree with you that the Old republic was the golden age star wars I want star wars to comeback, sorry man it was a curious question I was asking.
@@emberfist8347 are you sure becuase the tyranids can evolve really fast and they consumed an entire galaxy also space marine from warhammer are genetically enhaced super soldiers
@@emberfist8347 I assumed you nevered read warhamer 40k lore before specially tyranids can cut off psychic powers and they can multiply really fast you need like terminators or at least space marine to beat them. clone troopers aren't really that good at fighting compared to space marines also eldar by comparison.
@@emberfist8347 I assumed you never read Warhammer 40k lore before, tyranids can multiply by the billions and can cut off psychic powers and evolve very fast and are highly durable also you need space marines and terminators that can rivals tyranids also clonetroopers are nothing compared to space marines and terminators by the fact space marines and terminators are genetically enhanced super soldiers that can live thousands of years.
@@ScionLord8 They still share a singular weakness of needing the big ones to command them. And a dependency on biomass. The Droid Army in particular would have no biomass and the CIS in general aren’t adverse to biological weapons so the result in a Tyranid loss. As for the Space Marines their main weapon it a projectile weapon and plasma weapons which are obsolete in the Star Wars galaxy, are a lost art. Not to mention the tactical superiority of hyperspace as an FTL method as you don’t have to deal with the troubles the Warp does to ship, it’s occupations, and it is reliable when and where you will arrive. This puts Star Wars at a significant logistical advantage.
Difference with Andor is he isn't just compromising pacifism but becoming just as corrupt as the Empire. It's a moral question, which would be fine, but if there's no moral difference between the Empire and the Rebellion, why cheer for the Rebellion? It's just a power struggle at that point and not a fight between good and evil. Good may compromise a bit to engage in war at all, but it they abandon what makes them good, then they are already defeated. I DO like that Andor explores the galaxy beyond the Jedi. I think that's a strength of the show.
IIRC, Lucas specifically said that Anakin's conception wasn't supposed to be a Jesus reference, he just didn't want EU writers to create stories about his father and grandfather and great-grandfather ad infinitum. I guess it didn't occur to him that Shmi could have Jedi ancestors.
If Andor season 2 introduces a Force user, then they better kill that Force user and make the audience and characters realize that other worldly powers will not be able to help them.
Disney has been making TCW, of course they will write the Jedi to be as flawed or worse in TCW compared to The Acolyte. TCW has been one of the biggest offenders to consistency.
You can compare legacy characters or stories to ones from the movies or shows or games to see who did it better. It might be better than legacy lore videos.
The Acolyte Jedi are not "flawed." They are morons.
That relates more to the writers than the Jedi, or how the Jedi should have been.
@@KiwiKiwi-Aotearoa If we ever needed proof that Lucasfilm doesn't understand Star Wars, Acolyte is that. No writer of that show has ever watched the movies or read the books.
@@Ihavethetouch or they did indeed watch the movies, but were too dumb to understand
@@Ihavethetouch Yeah it’s sad, is there anyone at Lucas Film that care anymore? People say it’s Dave Filoni but he did approve a lot of weird things in the Acolyte.
@KiwiKiwi-Aotearoa Unfortunately, Dave Filoni doesn't care either. He himself said that canon is irrelevant.
I hate the comparison. The prequel Jedi have good intentions and are trying to be good Jedi but get lost/fail. The acolyte Jedi are just bad people
Nailed it
They were actually doing good. It is possible to make all the right moves and still lose.
Master NepoGreen is the worst
Exactly
And I think something modern entertainment forgot is that we do not need our main characters to be the good guys. Death Note has an evil protagonist and you might see his perspective, but his words and actions actually made me recon with my own excuses or views I have. A villain protagonist in Star Wars has so much untapped potential.
It’s absolutely amazing to me how Disney makes the High Republic Jedi as the golden age, yet immediately turned them into idiots in “Acolyte”
Perhaps you could say that the Jedis in the Acolyte are living in the aftermath of the War against the Nihil and the Nameless. Desilusionised old Warveterans and cynics.... Its a wild guess but perhaps some kind of a possible explanation.
@@TOFKAS01 yeah, but they didn’t even do that simple thing
They can't even follow their own lore lol
@@Hanoua2 apparently not
It's more about commenting on the world we live in, including trying to comment on western religions, rather than understanding how the universe can be used to explore a concept or show a better world. They always say representation is important because we don't have enough of it, then they will make the jedi seem evil instead of showing them avoid the immoral pitfalls many religion falls into.
Can we all agree that Acolyte never happened? Just like Pacific Rim has no sequel and there are no movies that continue saga from Battle of Endor?
I can agree that the Acolyte is not canon, just like the sequel trilogy.
Absolutely. It never happened.
And the Last Crusade was the last Indiana Jones film...
Plus there are only three Toy Story movies.
Ah man could you imagine if we got a show that explored the sith stuff? Maybe from the point of an acolyte. Too bad we never got that.
The first question is a pretty good example itself: the Acolyte's Jedi are like they were written based on a cherry-picked 2nd or 3rd hand source.
Right!
It really does seem like many SW stories nowdays base it off fan discourse or clickbait articles. I should really avoid these conversations because it really shouldn't be this annoying or confusing. The Prequels were shittily written AND most jedi are background characters meaning undeveloped. We should stop using it as a source.
Sorry to get meta, but I sincerely think too many of us, Americans, cannot think of religion being anything other than the Southern Baptist Christianity stereotypes. And they really really should understand things other than American experiences.
Edit: And I think something we forgot is that we do not need our main characters to be the good guys. Death Note has an evil protagonist and you might see his perspective, but his words and actions actually made me recon with my own excuses or views I have. A villain protagonist in Star Wars has so much untapped potential.
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I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died.
God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. Repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart, that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him.
Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible.
The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil".
LORD willing, all humans may commit sin of almost every kind (gay, straight), and that's wrong, and all humans sin, as God tells us through the The Holy Bible, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.", "Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you." and, “For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
2:07 And to cut Lucas even more slack, Obi-Wan's not entirely wrong, either. Anakin was basically dead, consumed by Vader. It's another beautiful example of what the dark side does to you. It took the Prequels to really cement that story. It took Luke to turn Anakin back to the light, something Obi-Wan and Yoda weren't even sure was possible for Vader. Vader died as soon as Anakin made the choice to save his son and overthrew the Emperor down a reactor shaft.
It makes total sense in light of what Yoda said in ESB about "Once you start down the dark path... etc"
No. Cutting Lucas slack in this is part of his problem: sometimes he is really bad at communicating crucial information to the audience, which then has to infer it from vague clues and conjecture.
@@mpnuorvaSo you want him to spoonfed everything instead of paying attention?
Interestingly, Yoda and Obi-Wan are highly sceptical about the possibility of reaching Anakin, but they still help Luke by giving him the tools and perspectives he'll need to do it.
@@mpnuorvaWait what? Lucas literally connects nearly every plot thread. Almost nothing is left behind. Even in the little scenes such as when Grievous flies down to Utapau, or Obi-Wan talks to Jango Fett, and many others, Lucas makes sure to try and patch as many little threads as possible.
Being deceptively manipulated & being moronic are not the same thing...
The difference is the acolyte presents the Sith and dark side users as sympathetic entities and the Jedi as their oppressors. The Sith are the oppressors, the Jedi were flawed but well intentioned in the PT and OT era. GL always intended the force to be binary light and dark, not the gray gobbledygook that Disney has given us.
Yup Lucas was being very black and white pin his characterizations.
@@Joe-PrzybranowskiNo matter how slice it the Sith will always be the bad guys no matter the intentions if it justifies or not the dark side corrupts and make them evil.
The Jedi have made mistakes. They serve rotten institutions in the Republic that exploit other people.
My take has been that by the time the Clone Wars actually began, Sidious' plan was already so far advanced that the Jedi basically had the choice of either fighting with the Republic or seeing it get destroyed. The failure of the Jedi was not detecting the return of the Sith earlier.
This isn't the common take? Seems fairly obvious.....
@@christovog Well, the person whose question Thor answered seemed to think the Jedi should have stayed out of the war. I think their chance of doing that passed years earlier.
2:08 Well Lucas kind of addressed that in Revenge of the Sith when Yoda tells Obi-Wan after he sees the security hologram of Anakin slaughtering Jedi “Twisted by the Dark Side, young Skywalker has become. The boy you trained, gone, he is. Consumed by Darth Vader.”
Also, do keep in mind the Obi-Wan “Ben” Kenobi that Luke meets in A New Hope is a broken man who survived a holocaust and will do whatever it takes to make sure Luke doesn’t suffer the same fate as Anakin even if it means lying to him.
Well there also the whole speech he makes after he beats Vader. The novelization makes it clear that is the moment he realizes Yoda was right about Anakin being gone. For me it was around the time he chocked Padme, but the point is that Anakin wasn’t who Obi-Wan faced on Mustafar. It was Vader.
Also he wasn’t broken in A New Hope he was just keeping a low profile. In the film we see still has his wit and was quite personable for a hermit.
True.
And Luke having such a good view of his dad and being inspired by his dad was important to making sure Luke met his destiny. Luke should have a role model, and hope, so of course Obi wan only focused on the positive. He probably only wanted to remember the good side of Anakin too
@@emberfist8347 Fair point. I just meant that he’s damaged/haunted by the Great Jedi Purge yet he manages to put on a brave, personable face.
Even in real life you don’t tell a teenager that his dead father was a piece of crap the second you meet him. Maybe ease into that conversation later if you need to.
@@soyevquirsefron990Not to mention it was their design to train Luke to kill both Vader and Palpatine and Luke knowing he was his father too early would cause Luke to sympathize with him and might even join him, dooming the galaxy.
Darth plagius described it best "the jedi have lost the allegiance of the force, they serve the republic as if it was the will of the force". In other words the jedi fell due to dogma surrounding their loyalty to the republic, as the republic fell it dragged the jedi down with them.
Meanwhile in the acolyte the jedi are just stupid with the exception of vinestra who was just evil.
Who's dagma? The Republic?? Being an instrument of the Republic or being rigid are two separate ideas but you word it like it's the exact same thing. The Prequels were poorly written. We shouldn't just vomit tictok grade takes and content to try explaining this. Full stop
@@ThreadBareHope1234 You're making no sense.
@@jdstudios1912 Lucas disagrees heavily.
This is coming from a Sith, an enemy to the Jedi. Of course, they're not going to have a favorable view of the Jedi.
@@GAdmThrawn I feel we have forgotten protagonist view aren't always good view.
You can have a villain protagonist that everyone knows is wrong. One of my favorite shows is Death Note (anime) and it's great because there is a villain protagonist that we may agree with at the start, but the way he puts his view into actions makes me question my own views, and root for the FBI, of all things.
Meanwhile, Acolyte.
The villain protagonist has a lot of positive potential, ironically. Making us recon with either how bad people control others or our own capacity for evil doings.
4:59 There is a Dark Horse comic that actually answers this question, because it is not a new one. This is from Clone Wars Volume 1, "The Defense of Kamino and other tales:"
K'Kruhk (after explaining to Mace Windu that he did not want to sacrifice lives to achieve a goal, while the clones were willing to die): "As a Jedi, I was taught to preserve life. I led these clones --no, these -_-men-_- --- to their deaths. These were living, sentient beings. What I have been asked to do is the opposite of everything I was trained to do as a Jedi. It betrays everything I believe we are meant to _be_ as Jedi. How can you ask this?"
Mace Windu: "Throughout our history, Jedi have taken the lead in times of conflict. We do what is necessary -- and this war is a sad necessity."
Mira: "I -- and those for whome I speak -- believe that this war represents a _failure_ to listen. Among the Confederacy are those with _just_ complaints. We need to _stop_ the fighting and let _diplomacy_ resume."
Mace Windu: "For diplomacy to succeed, _both_ sides must be willing to talk."
Rhad Tarn: "Maybe we're on the _wrong_ side! We Jedi should be fighting with the _Confederacy_ -- not the _Republic_! When I was a padawan, we spent almost all of our time out in the fringes of the Republic on journey missions. I've _seen_ the results of the Republic's corruption! The Senate doesn't _care_ about slave trade, or illegal prisons, or the laborers in the spice mines! Not so long as the _pockets_ of the senators _bulge_! And we Jedi _are_ tainted by our connections to the Republic! Many see us as its _enforcers_! We're on the _wrong_ _side_! We should be helping to bring the Republic _down_ -- once and for all!"
Mace Windu: "Do you think the Council has not considered your questions -- _all_ of your questions -- before? That we do not _still_? Do you think your wisdom _greater_ than say, Master Yoda?"
I've said it a bunch of times - Obi-Wan mentally separating Anakin and Vader into two different people was part of his coping mechanism
Ironically it ends up being a shared coping mechanism between Anakin and Obi-wan, which I thought was always a very cool commonality
Acolyte Jedi are are really stupid
And the prequel Jedi were scared of the Dark side, and as we know, fear leads to anger, anger to hate, hate leads to suffering
@@NIX-FLIX They weren’t afraid.
@@emberfist8347 Yoda taught students to ignore their visions because sometimes they become self-fulfilling prophecy. Why would you ban some thing that has a small chance of happening unless you’re afraid of it?
@@NIX-FLIX He never banned it. He just warned them not to take all visions on their own at face value.
@@emberfist8347 Looking at Anakin case it best for him to ignore it focus on the here and now plus Yoda might have experience with visions himself so he knows what he talking about.
@@jaieregilmore971 I love that you bring it up as that is the same advice Qui-Gon would give.
Haven't watched the video yet, but I find the difference between the thumbnail images fascinating.
Vernestra Rwoh, despite being a real human with makeup, somehow looks rather fake because of the flat lightning and lack of detail.
Yoda, meanwhile, is CGI but has a ton of detail and extremely dynamic lighting.
I know one is a TV show and the other is a movie, but the difference in quality grabbed my attention.
The prequels are often criticized for not looking as good as the originals or sequels, but shots like this show that in many ways they're still far ahead of some modern SW projects.
The thing about the prequel Jedi is that they are genuinely trying to do what they think is best for the people they're serving, even if a lot of their actions end up causing more harm than good in the long run. The Acolyte, on the other hand, was clearly written by someone who thinks moral complexity means making the "good guys" morons and telling the audience to overlook the questionable actions of the "bad guys" simply because they have tragic backstories or "understandable" motivations
People like to judge the Jedi from their hindsight vantage points, but the truth is no one can serve two masters, the will of the force and the good of the Republic are going to at some point diverge from each other.
I suppose if anything, this is the primary failing of the Jedi in not recognizing this would be inevitable and being prepared to let the Republic stand on its own without them.
Then again, they did that during the Mandalorian Wars and it birthed Darth Revan's Sith order, so...
I've come to believe that the will of the force is not unlike mother nature in our own world, this unseeable, intangible thing that uses conflict and struggle to gradually push species forward little by little, as no matter which path is taken this seems to be the result.
Maybe the Sith, not Disney's Sith, are actually closer to understanding it than the Jedi are after all.
It didn’t help the director don’t understand how the dark side works at all it quick and easy way to gain power that it just corrupts the users.
Thor, if you allow me, I have a good argument for the Jedi entering the war. First, they were fighting against robots, they weren't going against living beings for the most part. And when they were it was always in self defense or in defense of others.
The first time they stepped out of it was when Anakin fought Dooku and you know what happened.
Thanks for answering my question Thor, I completely agree with you. While I would be interested in seeing how past Skywalkers lived I would also be worried about Disney messing it up.
The damages the Sequel has made had already been done, so no amount of damage controls can help bring them back.
@@mazkeraid4039 Yeah that’s the sad reality, I still find joy in the original stuff though.
Past skywalkers?
@@Darkstar-qb3dh Well yeah, unless Shmi randomly appeared from a hole in the ground. Lol maybe she did.
Are the Prequel Trilogy era Jedi just as bad as The Acolyte/High Republic Era Jedi? Hardly.
The entire cast of the Acolyte is in a steel cage grudge match, fighting for the solitary brain cell.
I unironically think the characters are too dumb and poorly written to try and assess their moral culpability.
Hey Thor,
One of my favorite ideals set by the Jedi has always been the rule of loving without exclusion for some over others. Hopefully I'm getting the philosophy intended, as from my view the meaning of this is to respect and value the well-being of everyone equally with no favoritism and to accept both the good and the bad you experience with them as long as they are not infringing on the rights of others. It's an ideal that, while difficult to practice in real life, is one that I feel we haven't had enough of in this world for at least some time.
These days, it seems we are encouraged to be as selective as possible in choosing those you associate with and come to know as people. If someone doesn't immediately agree with or has reservations about certain things that you value or believe in, they're immediately cast out of the conversation or group they were once a part of without any interest in hearing their point of view.
I feel like these expectations have caused most of the social problems we see today with little good coming out of them but that hasn't stopped anyone from reconsidering how this is affecting themselves and the people they treat this way. I understand that, unlike Jedi, we all have individual desires and relationships we value above all others. But the big question from me is, why hasn't this been recognized as the detriment it is to everyone, and what can we do to mitigate it in our daily lives?
I think this is a really great point. The Jedi strove for balance; they didn't view someone opposing them (unless that opponent was violent or harming others) as an enemy, but someone to be reasoned with. Obi Wan is one of the most famous Jedi during the Clone Wars for his skills as a negotiator. To a Jedi, all life is precious, no matter where you're from or what species you are. It's hard sometimes to see someone else's point of view, especially when it's in opposition to yours, but it's so important to try.
Unfortunately, a lot of people in the last decade or so have taken the Sith absolutism of, "you're either with me or you're my enemy." "If you don't agree with me 100% (no matter what the topic is), I'll shut you off, won't talk to you, no discussion or reasoning." It is very disheartening. We all have to strive to understand one another, or families, friends and society at large will start to tear apart. Sorry for the essay, it's been something weighing on my mind recently.
Great point. The philosophy is very much taken from Buddhist ideals of universal loving kindness, unfortunately not many people practice it.
PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord! Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it!
I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died.
God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. Repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart, that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him.
Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible.
The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil".
LORD willing, all humans may commit sin of almost every kind (gay, straight), and that's wrong, and all humans sin, as God tells us through the The Holy Bible, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.", "Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you." and, “For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
@@sparkycjs PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord! Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it!
I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died.
God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. Repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart, that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him.
Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible.
The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil".
LORD willing, all humans may commit sin of almost every kind (gay, straight), and that's wrong, and all humans sin, as God tells us through the The Holy Bible, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.", "Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you." and, “For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
Great point and good philosophy I think Jedi survivor tackles this topic well through the character Bode a Jedi survivor who betrays you to the empire for a compass to a uninhabited planet that is safe from the empire for himself and daughter. Once you finish the game and gain more information you realize Bode wife was killed by an inquisitor which bode in revenge join the empire intelligence agency for his daughter safety and to kill inquisitor but once he gain enough information from cal,the crew and hidden path he ratted them out let innocent die for his daughter safety it one of the reasons why the Jedi don’t allow attachments.
Whatever Lesyle Headland was attempting to do in The Acolyte is a bad comparison to anything else in Star Wars, because that (The Acolyte) fan fiction was an outlet for Leslye Headland's psychology rather than a true representation of what the Jedi should have been.
Hey Thor, I was just rereading one of my favorite “legends” novels outbound flight (“legends” in quotations because I’m pretty sure in lesser evil Zahn still makes outbound flight, or at least Thrass dying in a crashing ship with a Jedi cannon) and I only just realized (I think) that Zahn gives a good explanation as to why there are less force sensitive children in the galaxy by the rise of the Empire because so many families with potential left the galaxy. What do you think? Am I reading too much into it? Thanks
Genuinely glad you addressed this, it was a question I was harboring myself. You really helped put things into perspective.
As I’ve heard, the Jedi were not just recruited - they were drafted into the Clone Wars. Legally speaking, they didn’t have a choice. And even if they did, keep in mind that the CIS vastly outnumbered the GAR. If the Jedi refused to fight, the Sith would just use the Droid Army to demolish the Republic and then destroy the Jedi.
This was a masterfully executed plan by the Sith. It was checkmate from the moment the Clone Wars began, perhaps even since the events of the Phantom Menace.
Well the whole thing was sidious vs palpatine so 🤷🏻♂️ he won either way
Hey Thor, what would you think of the idea of doing a "war movie" style movie set in Star Wars? Something akin to Saving Private Ryan, Thunder, or 1917. I feel like something with Temura Morison set during the Clone Wars with a tone closer to that of Andor could be REALLY cool.
I would love them to do a movie or TV show along the lines of the Republic Commando books.
Thank you so much for responding to my question,
And a lot of the reasons you cited are mine aswell
The prequel era they were in the middle of a war and couldn't afford any internal scandal that could compromise the war effort
In Acolyte Vernestra wanted to preserve the orders reputation. Honestly this would've been an interesting topic to explore but they never did
That scene with Vernestra and that senator was the closest we got and it's only shoved in the finale, this should've been shifted earlier and she should've gotten more scenes explaining why she's keeping things under wraps but we never do
They obviously shoved this in to tease us for a season 2 that spoiler alert won't happen
Hey Thor. I was wondering if you've read Shadows of the Empire or played the game. If so, do you think it would be cool to have Prince Xizor to come into canon?
I'd figure it be an easy thing to do since Black sun is already part of canon and I think he could be tied to Darth Maul.
I'd love reading that book and I was thinking how he was such an underrated character.
Aren’t the Jedi pretty darn sure that a Sith is behind the separatists in the Clone Wars? I always thought they joined the war because they felt their order’s association with the republic was what was driving the war in the first place
They more or less say they would be neutral in the event of a war during the meeting with Palpatine at the beginning of AotC. When Dooku reveals he's fallen to the Dark Side and all but admits to being a Sith Lord, they have no choice but to take a side in the war.
Up until that point, they wanted to maintain their role of peace maker in the galaxy. Up until the war started, everyone who would go onto form the CIS were under the protection of the Jedi. That was something the Jedi were not eager to see changed for any reason. And once the war started, overnight, everyone in the CIS considered the Jedi as their enemies, despite many Jedi being from CIS worlds, and thousands of years of service devoted to protecting those peoples and worlds.
Centuries of trust and good will of galactic proportions lost in a single moment.
@@DisFantasy They never said they would be neutral just that they aren’t an army and there isn’t enough to fight a war.
@@emberfist8347 Specifically, Windu said they are keepers of the peace, not soldiers. At this point, they're also confident that Dooku is on the level. They're not going to come out and say they will be neutral or that they won't defend the Republic, since it is their job to defend the Republic after all.
What the Jedi are going to do and what the Jedi can do are all part of the Jedi's strategy in governing the Republic. They will never claim to be invincible or all-knowing, but they aren't going to go out of their way to tell everyone else that.
"Only a Sith knows of their weakness."
@@DisFantasy Mace was simply saying they don’t have the manpower to be an army. They are however willing to fight for peace. It is why they keep fighting the Sith. They use all peaceful options first and violence as a last resort.
The simple answer is the Acolyte was poorly written and shouldn’t be taken seriously in any context.
12:49 I completely understand your view here, Thor. While I do enjoy Battle of the Heroes & Villains, I do not want to see it be Acolyte Character after Acolyte Character while beating a dead horse. I do think it would be interesting to see some Acolyte Characters, I would rather have it be how the Sequel Trilogy Characters were done. Where one Sequel Trilogy character was covered then we switched to characters from Legends, or other Star Wars Media like Andor. Either way, I enjoy your videos and I am excited about what you have coming next.
Andor is irrelevant because the Sequel Trilogy.
@mazkeraid4039 whats your point? Every peice of media is pointless by that logic because eventually the universe will just end
@@CRYSTAL_CUSTOMS My point is that the work of art like Star Wars should be preserved for future generations, the real deal, not that hamfisted imitation of what Kathleen Kennedy thinks about when making Star Wars.
Hey, Thor. - Thinking of some other media, "Fallout" (the Amazon series), had a ton of good lines. The one thT I love is when Helzeig comes across Lucy and asks her "Will you want the same things when you become a different animapl?:
Des this fit the Star Wars story?
It's just something that stuck with me.
I really want more Old Republic characters covered in your heroes versus Villains videos like Darth Malgus. But for some reason most of your audience wants Canon characters from the live action and animated TV shows and the movies.
Hey Thor, I’ve been wondering this along while. And I will try to explain this the best I can, so hopefully it comes out good. My question is, do we know anything about why Anakin and Padmé in episode 3 when Padmé tells Anakin she is pregnant. Why are they so concerned and worried? I know the obvious answer is they were trying to keep their love a secret, and it would have been possibly a major scandal for both of them, but I remember sitting in the theater back in 2005 and thinking, “ is there something more that could have happened to them or their child/children if the Jedi found out?” If all that was going to happen was, Padmé would have possibly lost her position in senate and Anakin would have been expelled from the Order, then why did they look and seem so scared and concerned? Is there something George Lucas or anyone else has never told us about the Jedi and the way they dealt with “problems?” I’ve never heard anyone talk about this as a possibility, and it’s bugged me since I first thought of it almost twenty years ago. What are your thoughts?
Hey Thor, just a little question I had thought of, and your mention of wanting to lean back into EU content gave me the push I needed to type it out.
Basically, if you had the opportunity to experience one piece of EU content all over again as if it was the very first time, would you take that opportunity, and what content would you choose? I think I'd choose the original Thrawn trilogy personally, genuinely some of the most fun I've had with a Star Wars property.
Great video Agree with your answers. When it comes to the Acolyte it would have been great if it had been about the sith and viewed from their side. But we only got one sith (Plagueis). Qimir wasn't a sith maybe a wannabe sith no more. But it wasn't from their view at all. Don't really understand what Leslye really wanted to achieve
"If it wasn't for the Jedi, there wouldn't be Sith. It's their fault that they come about." Actually, that hits pretty close to the mark regarding how Lucas planned for the origins of the Jedi. In early drafts of the Jedi's origins, he came up that the precursors to the Sith, those Jedi who followed the Dark Side, came about after they discovered the Dark Side and began to use it. There were multiple conflicts between these two ideologies as the early Jedi followed the ways of the Light or Ashla, and fought those who chose the path of darkness or Bogan. The followers of Ashla would defeat those who followed Bogan for countless centuries before the invention of hyperspace brought this conflict to the wider galaxy, with the Jedi and the Sith being the new major philosophies that continued this conflict. Much of the Sith would not come from non-Jedi, but rather be recruited and brought in from the Jedi ranks such as Revan, Malak, Bastila Shan, Darth Ruin, Exar Kun and even later with Count Dooku, Darth Vader, Darth Caedus, and Darth Krayt. There are a multiple of factors that arise in each of these examples but it almost always comes down to the search for power that lies outsides of the Jedi's teachings and the will to take and use that power.
Hey Thor. How successful do you think a Star Wars publishing initiative can be these days? Obviously the original Thrawn trilogy was a huge success, but that was a different climate for SW. That trilogy (and Dark Empire) were the only SW releases after the OT, so it makes sense that it was treated with great fanfare and sold extremely well (as well as them being great pieces of literature).
Personally, I love the High Republic books/comics and think they’re fantastic. But although they‘ve developed a niche fandom, I can’t imagine they were as successful as the original Thrawn trilogy. With Disney over saturating the market with all these TV shows and films (at least until 2021), just how successful do you think a Star Wars publishing initiative (only limited to books and comics) can be in today’s era? By publishing initiative, I mean long series (like NJO and High Republic), not just trilogies like Thrawn Ascendancy. The majority of SW fans don’t read the books, so I’m interested in what you think.
There was force use in Andor, Luthen the sith used it several times most notably escaping the empire ship. yeah im calling it , the rebellion was started by a sith the discipole cast out for vader! (rule of two)
He's not a force user, if he was Vader and the Inquisitorius would've got to him already considering he lives on the capital of the Empire
OT Jedi for me. Old Ben and Yoda's descriptions fed my fertile young imagination in a way much more satisfying than what later made it to screen.
Hey Thor I always thought the Prequels explained why the alien races were unable to fight back as well as humans in the orginal. As in the prequels almost all the big fighting in the war involves alien worlds fighting and needing the republic or becoming more dependent on Driods. In new Star Wars it feels like aliens all just like the empire we see in movies. My question is do you think Disney is making aliens bootlikers to reduce aliens in shows and movies or do you think I'm just wrong and Disney is more accurate that aliens didn't have it as bad? To me it seemed in older lore that empire wasn't great to aliens.
I do like the idea of doing Skywalker ancestor story. Best if it's a smaller scale hero... I would make them Force sensitive, but not super famous or super powerful. It's something where I think the potential is good. You just need a solid story.
If the PT Jedi refused to fight in the clone wars then Palpatine would declare them traitors eventually and execute order 66
The Jedi were in a no-win situation. Whether or not they chose to fight in the war didn't matter, the war had started already. Palpatine was guaranteed to win regardless of the winning side.
No. Because Order 66 hadn't been approved by the senate yet.
@@vetarlittorf1807 introduction of the clone army would have introduced regardless of the Jedi fighting, also Palpatine is the senate
@@Jedishill680 Had Palpatine wanted CIS to win, he wouldn't have needed to use 66.
@@Jedishill680 No. Palpatine's power wasn't absolute until by the end of the war.
Always thought ‘From a certain point of view’ was unnecessary. Obi-Wan’s lie was better explained as an attempt to protect Luke from a harsh truth until he was ready to learn it.
@@joechip1971 But he wasn’t lying. What he said was indeed true because Anakin was destroyed by Vader even Vader himself believes it.
There’s this thing called “Mission Kreep.” I think the term originated in the military, but I’m not sure. Basically, it’s when you start to do something because it’s a good thing that needs done and you have the time and resources to do it. Because you’re already doing it, you get manipulated into doing related duties, and eventually you are spending all your time and resources on these other duties to the detriment of your core mission. I think a similar thing happened to the Jedi.
Mission Creep is indeed a military term, look at something like Black Hawk Down for a good example
While not productive, it would be kinda funny to have a prequel about the Skywalker Family, and how there was one that was such an annoying Mary Sue, they got kicked out everywhere but Tatooine. It would make the ending of Episode 9 have more meaning
i always thought that the jedi joined the war as they felt the influence of the dark side. and had to join to try to balance the influence the dark side had in the conflict. and also the loss of dooku to the seperatists side.
It is canon that Darth Revan, when he was a Jedi Knight for the second time, took the name Taris Skywalker after his mind had been wiped and he didn’t know his name was Revan. It is also written in Canon that Revan is the ancient ancestor of Anakin…which would have to be through Anakin’s mother.
Hey Thor! This is actually the second comment on this video, but I thought it would be good to point this out, since I haven't seen many people comment on it.
But a fair share of people, including those who dislike the Acolyte, typically say that the choreography is the best thing about the show. However, I think the correct way to describe it is, "of all the things that the Acolyte does poorly, the thing it does poorly THE LEAST, is the choreography".
As someone who grew up with the prequel trilogy, OG and Clone Wars (both versions), in addition to a lot of shounen anime and Lord Of The Rings, I appreciate great fight choreography.
To me, the choreography in the Acolyte is not only cheap and sloppy, as it literally looks like choreography as opposed to an actual fight, but because often times, the choreography contradicts what we know about the characters. The main example being Jeki dual wielding and holding her own the best against Smilo Ren (the Stranger), despite being an Apprentice with no explicit lightsaber skills established prior to this.
Conversly, take Will Serfort, the main protagonist of a new anime called Wistoria: Wand and Sword, whose not only born with superhuman reflexes, strength, speed and stamina, but who also is shown studying and having extensive combat knowledge, which is what allows him to stand amoung his fellow students, who all have magic, when he doesn’t.
So my question to you, is A. Why do people argue or at least think the Acolyte's choreography is the best thing about the show, let alone "good"? And B. What was your least favourite fight in the Acolyte?
May the Force be with you, always
Hey Thor. So instead of just leaving it open, maybe for the next Battle of Heroes and Villains (since it's like beating a dead horse), you could pick the Acolyte characters to rate and let us pick from everything else. Also, it's been a while. When you do start back up, please repost the list as a refresher.
The Acolyte should have taken a Breaking Bad approach to the Sith. The audience is shown throughout the series Walt's internal justifications for his actions, and it's clear he rarely questions his choices as he descends further into criminality. However, at no point does the show suggest that Walt is actually right nor that it is someone else's fault (despite how some fans reacted to Skylar) that he turned out the way he did. Shows and movies can be quite successful when told from the perspective of an objectively immoral character. The Acolyte, however, presents immoral characters as moral. In so doing they rob both the "good" and the "bad" characters of depth and impact. If no one is really good or bad, why is the audience to care?
Hey Thor, where would you have ended Ahsoka's story if you were writing it? I know many have said to either have it be before RotS or in the Rebels Season 2 finale, but I was wondering how you'd handle her.
Hey thor, i have always wonder if Disney some day happend to touch the old republic do you think instead of starting with big sharks like Revan, could they not start with Zayne Carrick i have always like his story and how he is fighting his own fight in clearing his name, at the same time there is this upcoming war against mandalorians.
Disney star wars has been going on for so long that people now actually believe Jedi are wrong and should be replace.
Just like in the OT, their reputation has been destroyed and their lagacy ruined by an evil dictactor (Kathleen)
Lol im exagerating but still kinda true
Yeah, George called the Jedi "the most moral of anybody in the galaxy" (in his words), but people think they are super deep and say that George hated the Jedi and wanted to show how rotten they were in the prequels.
It's kind of unbelievable.
@@matthewk4912 Probably the same people who accused him of racism.
@@emberfist8347 People accused George of racism?
@@matthewk4912 Yeah. When the Prequels came out, people started claiming certain aliens were racial stereotypes in disguise. Neimodians were allegedly Asian stereotypes. Watts was supposedly a Jewish stereotype and Jar Jar was a Uncle Tom. The last one is particularly annoying as Amehd Best, who played Jar Jar was the one who gave him the things people saw and accused of being racist while the idea of him being a stereotype clashes with how the Gungans in general are depicted. It was all people looking for stuff that wasn’t there.
4:09 is basically the entire point of Revan's backstory. "Do you go to war to protect the Republic and it's inhabitants, even if it means loosing your way as Jedi, or do you stand by and do nothing, step back and let it all happen, while staying true to the Jedi Code."
Meetra Surik says it (depending on your playthrough) perfectly in my opinion, when Atris talks to her about her defections, and she basically (can) say: "Yes what we did resulted in the destruction we see today, but I'd do it again because it was the right thing to do."
But Revan ended up being wrong. He fell to the dark side and killed even more people with his own war against the Republic. Plus, the Jedi were right that the Mandalorians were not the true threat.
The Jedi are not supposed to do the obviously moral thing. They're supposed to pragmatically maximize what is in the best interests of everyone. Hence Kreia criticized Meetra for giving alms to a beggar. Because she just robbed the beggar of the strength to help himself.
@@vetarlittorf1807 congratulations on taking three times as long to say the exact thing I was saying.
@@vetarlittorf1807 I get the feeling Kreia wasn't speaking from a Jedi standpoint when she called out Meetra for giving charity. That's not really her thing.
On the Revan question, perhaps seeing it as a binary choice is a mistake. "Save the galaxy and fall, or do nothing and remain pure" doesn't sound right; like, there's absolutely no middle ground?
I would disagree after all even Revan thought they went too far with Malachor V.
Yes.
KOTOR and SWTOR explained and expanded on star wars way better than all new shows and games combined. Though I do appreciate that JFO and JS can mostly stay in their own lane and tell their own story without explicitly making it about previous stories about corruption, shortsightedness, and redemption.
I always thought Bastila Shan's theme had a bit of the Skywalker theme. It would make sense for the Skywalkers to be descended from Batila and Revan.
No it wouldn’t Lucas did the virgin birth to keep Anakin from Jedi ancestry.
Did Obi Wan even tell the council about what Dooku said or did he just dismiss it as a lie?
He did tell them. Yoda knows Darth Sidious’ name and there is no other logical reason for how he knew the name. Obi-Wan obviously figured the name was true at least. And the fact they are zeroing on the Chancellor being a Sith puppet in Revenge of the Sith points to Obi-Wan telling them the rest.
@@emberfist8347 Ah yes that’s true, thanks. They just didn’t realise Palpatine was Sidious.
@@KiwiKiwi-Aotearoa Because Dooku actually lied by omission.
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The less spoken of the Acolyte, the better. I know I do not count it as legitimate lore.
hey thor way back when "the force awakens" came out people were looking forward to a luke/snoke lightsaber duel. With the "mandalorian" film coming out could we finally see that duel, and could it be as interesting as kenobi/vader duel in "kenobi?:
Hey Thor, I always thought the Jedi were interesting not just because of their goodness and exactly what "good" is in Star Wars, but because of their flaws. I think Qui-Gon and Luke are very similar in that they each represent a different kind of Jedi that isn't like the Jedi of the late High Republic era. The Jedi as a whole were mistaken in both the original trilogy and the prequels, and Qui-Gon and Luke stood out both times as ones who could see clearer than the others could. Perhaps people would have taken the Acolyte differently if there was a stand-in for Luke, a Jedi who challenged the Jedi. Of course, you could argue that Qui-Gon didn't see things clearly at all, as there's no evidence in the films that his decisions were even remotely wise unless you believe that this was the only way the Sith could be destroyed, which would be a total contrivance that relies heavily on the chosen one trope.
Hey Thor..
So, I'm a Star Wars fan who likes both the EU and the new Canon, I do have my own opinions on the shows and I've been builled alot on Discord communities that like the EU and on TH-cam sometimes being called a shill jsut for Liking the new Star Wars Media that comes out. Like i didn't fully like Mando S3, BOBF, Kenobi, and The Acolyte but i didnt go around saying they ruined Star Wars like most people did that over reacted to stuff.
Like i always have to tell these people Darth Revan and Bastila Shan are my favorite characters in the Old Republic Era, and they still call me a Shill, which is sadding.
I guess what I'm trying to ask is does it really matter if you like certain things in Star Wars if there the Old Stories or the new ones because I find value in both universes. And I always say to those people that we can like what we like but keep it civil and not go at each other. Thats what it should be civil and not toxic.
Also note... I never really read any of the high Republic stuff but i know its there and i like that era name, and i dig the gold and silver robes. And the Acolyte was a 4/10 for me which they should really have focused the show on Qimir since he is a interesting character and I don't care Plaguies was hiding in a cave people took thah way to seriously. Sith are always meant to be in the shadows.
Also, been a fan since i was 8 and now I'm 28, and I've been around since legends was canon. I just find it hard sometimes. Being a fan who takes value in both universes. And I always have a opened mind about things.
Oh and also love your videos and insights keep up the amazing work.
Whah do you think??
and now the Thunder response response. Kind words. Why no blue milk?
I don't like the idea Skywalkers always be special. Shmi should be a relative random pick by force and the only backstory we "need" is hers, like how she became slave on Tatooine. Especially now when LF kills off the bloodline.
lol they didn’t know sifo dyus and palpetine made the clone army and by the time the remaining Jedi council found out that he was a sith they took immediately action. The difference is arrogance vs emo gilt no where near the same Jedi
@@bobafett006 They knew Syfo-Dyas made the army as that is what they were told by the Kaminoians. They didn’t know who Tyrannus was.
That last sentence is rather ominous. Sounds like they're waiting for a gotcha to share
Right - in prequels, something is in motion from the inside that requires caution for the sake of the republic - in acolyte, they sully the memory of a jedi master by pinning murders on him for the sake of their own reputation. Clear turn from moral ambiguity to selfish evil.
My response to people making this comparison, who state they are the same situation, would be two fold. The first would the metacontextual reasons and the in universe reasons.
The meta reasons is the radically different approaches to "villifying" the Jedi between George Lucas and Leslye Headland. George approached the prequel era Jedi as a sign of how institutions and organisations of power can become dogmatic, stuck in their ways and ultimately can be overpowered, by one much MUCH worse.
Conversely, Leslye takes issue with Jedi as a CONCEPT, and as such she's more so painting the Jedi as an organisation that is inherently problematic, as opposed to one well meaning, that ultimately was undone by the Darkness that clouded them.
Moving to the in universe reasoning, the Jedi in the prequel era are well meaning, the reason they commit to the acts they do, including the ones Thor discusses in the video, is out of a desire to do good. They're decisions are more so poor, than malicious. They fall not because they're the REAL villains, but because they've temporarily lost sight of what they were fighting for, and instead began prioritising what they were against.
In the Acolyte, and the High Republic in general, the Jedi make decisions purely out of a desire to be self serving. Vernestra (or Green Bean), is not covering up the murders by Smilo Ren, because it serves OTHERS, she does so because it serves HER and the Jedi Order. But what's odd, or worse is that even though Sol was shown to he wrong for covering up what occurred on Brendok, the show ALMOST wants to make it seem ok for Vernestra to do it.
The difference between the Jedi during the prequel era and the High Republic era, is one falls whilst trying to do the right thing, whilst the other maintains itself, by having its Jedi constantly do the wrong thing.
Hey Thor, would you say that Star Wars going from a niche thing to mainstream is the biggest reason why it its lost it’s identity in a way? I feel like more care was put in, even if something wasn’t that good. For example, pre-2012 LucasFilm licensed many EU novels, comics and some games in various formats. Had any of those failed or been awful, no one would have cared nearly as much as they do now. Sure, we have social media now to amplify our voices and opinions way more than in the heyday of the EU and Prequels, but it was there in mid-00’s post-ROTS when the steam began to run out in the franchise as Lucas had stated ROTS was the last film and TCW wasn’t reaching nearly as many as the live action films did.
It seems like now that it’s mainstream, those of us that took the time to appreciate the lore and story are drowned out by new, mainstream audiences that didn’t care before and now want it to reflect mainstream forms of entertainment without truly and fully taking the time to understand and appreciate why SW had the unique generational staying power.
Not sure how else to articulate it, pretty sure I’ve asked this before, but it struck me recently that had projects like The Acolyte been a book or comic, no one would have cared really that it was terrible, especially if it was released pre-2012 Disney purchase…
This is why I’ll always say they should of just started on koriban doesn’t have to be on any darth sitha’ri timeline keep it intriguing and it’s easy like WTH is goin on 😂
The fact that we are taking ANYTHING The Acolyte introduced into consideration... Lol.
The Anakin thing was the whole reason Lucas changed his force ghost was it not?
Hey Thor, what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
What do you mean? An African or European swallow?
The Jedi were always part of the Republic being their headquarters are in the heart of Coruscant the capitol of the Republic and always fought, remember the Sith Wars in KOTOR? Every product with Jedi has fighting
it would be cool to see someone like meetra surik or darth traya for battle of the heroes and villains
Hey Thor,i noticed a strange thing in Star Wars names. There are lots of names in pure Finnish!! For an example Antilles is inflected form from name Antti, Tarkin means most precice, Motti means cubic meter of logs, Reva means womens private parts in a rude way and Embo is a toilet paper brand. Such fun. There must be other languages too that are accidentaly used.
And Anakin is inflected form from Ana, witch is short form from name Antti.
Some guy: the OT and PT don't make a lot of sense, do they?
OT/PT fan: If you have a few minutes, I'll be more than happy to defend my claim and prove to you that they're kinda spectacular.
Some guy: the ST doesn't make a lot of sense.
ST fan: You're a hater.
Hey Thor, what do you think of the argument that the Jedi were idiots to get involved in the Clone Wars (morality of it all aside)? Basically, after Attack of the Clones, the Jedi know that the clone army is cloned from Jango, Dooku's hired gun. Furthermore, the Jedi have no clue who ordered the clones' creation. At best, for them, Sifo Dyas (who was a friend of Dooku) went rogue and ordered the clones, but even then, how did he fund the clones? But they should also be conscious of the possibility that someone ordered and funded the clones and framed Sifo Dyas for potentially sinister reasons (which is the reality).
To take things further, toward the end of TCW, the Jedi learn that Dooku is Tyrannus and therefore Dooku was directly involved in the creation of the clone army (even if we are accepting that the clones weren't suspicious going into the war because of the reasons in the first paragraph), which raises some red flags to say the least. The explanation in the show is that the council just decides to "see what happens I guess".
It is my opinion that the Jedi should consider the survival of their order to be more important than the survival of the Republic (the Republic is winning the war approaching ROTS anyway so I wouldn't even consider the Jedi necessary to the war effort by now) and with the threat of an unknown Sith plot involving the clones, the smart thing to do would be to remove the order from the war and from the politics and wait it out. What are your thoughts?
The difference is massive. The Jedi discovered that information in the twilight of The Clone Wars. The last thing The Republic needed was information that would've lowered the morale of The Republic and the citizens. The Acolyte gave no real reason to keep the return of the Sith private.
Those were the questions I felt needed to be asked
And your right, there was no clear reason for Vernestra to hide this information, they should have expanded on that more
They were obviously shoving this in for a season 2
@@pbh9195to bad the show got canceled.
Prequel Jedi were waiting for the corrupt political system to either recover or collapse, while trying to keep their hands clean. If they made a mistake, it was being too attached to the Republic, which resulted in Windu taking things into his own hands and attempting to first arrest and then execute Palpatine. As big as the Republic is, it is still not the Force,
Acolyte Jedi don't act like Jedi at all.
"A Sith Lord controls the Senate? Gee... I wonder who it could be."
@@AdmiralBonetoPick It isn’t that obvious. The Senate is its own branch from the executive branch the Chancellor was part of.
Wait expelling Ahsoka is seen as bad? Did everyone forget all the evidence pointing towards her and how they apologized and offered to let her back in a Jedi Knight?
Shmi was random. Lucas said as much as he didn’t want there to be Skywalkers before Anakin.
And it is better that way. My headcanon would be that Shmi had a partner, but before kidnapping happens, he died trying to defend her.
Hey thor, what is something that star wars has never done before you'd like to see in this setting?
"Expelling Ahsoka" is not a good example, because the whole TCW'08 series had already contradicted with old EU and most canon statements, usually and mostly incarnating idiotic fan theories...
Hey Thor, I hear this comment from a small group of people about the sequel trilogy that “Star Wars fans hated the prequels too, and now they love them, same will happen with the sequel trilogy” and I was wondering if you could dig into that more? I never actually did watch the Plinket reviews of the PT, so do you know what their general complaints are? For me, it seemed like the prequels weren’t as high quality story telling as the originals, but they did have a lot of good things about them, particularly the world building around the Jedi and the Republic. In the end they added a ton to the Star Wars universe. Meanwhile the sequels weren’t just bad in quality, but they didn’t add anything of value to the mythos and in fact damaged the old movie legacy with the decisions they made to bring Palpatine back and isolate Luke.
Maybe my memory is a bit biased, but it seemed like the backlash to the sequel trilogy was waaaay worse than when the prequels came out. I think the prequels just got criticism from mostly the hard core fans, and the normies seemed to still enjoy them quite a bit. I can’t say the same for the sequel trilogy, a lot of my friends who enjoy Star Wars but have only watched the movies gave up after The Last Jedi, seems like there is pretty much universal hatred for the sequels, and that isn’t changing 5 years down the road.
Wasn’t that just a throw away line by Dooku and never addressed again?
I think recent stories, and especially The Acolyte is trying to bring in a comparison between GL’s order and the upcoming Jedi in the New Jedi Order where Disney (and Reys 1st temple books) will try to embrace ‘true’ Jedi (as what Disney sees as most exciting to a modern audience). But the Acolytes portray of Jedi is the antithesis of what GL created them to be. I think the Acolytes portray of would have been far more profound if the Jedi actually behaved like Jedi, and not everyday people with a magic power and traditional ritualistic culture that didn’t actually serve them yet they used to hide their flaws from the galaxy. I too hate the idea that Jedi produce Sith Lords through failed teachers/teachings. GL did that so well in his saga, and Disney is repeating that motif too easily and lazily. People don’t always need a trauma to be selfish, ambitious and immoral.
11:20 all saying is Skywalker is an awfully Badass name for a random slave family to have
Did he really try comparing what happened in The Acolyte with what happened in the OT?
Obi-Wan and Yoda were training Luke to kill Vader and Palpatine. It’s why they're doing anything for him at all. And if he learned that Vader was once his father, he might not go through with it and doom the galaxy.
In The Acolyte, they try covering up the murders of a few Jedi masters because it would make them look bad. And even when they covered it up, they did it in a way that was much worse than if they just told the truth.
We shouldn't even be mentioning the acolyte anymore
I think it's up to you in most part to make sure The Acolyte characters aren't overly bashed in the comments you post up. As someone who actually liked the show, I'd love to contribute my input to those polls!
To clarify, I realize your content will produce a mostly negative result and mostly negative comments, but I'm certain many will either regurgitate the same talking points over and over again, or just contribute nothing worth talking about.
Hey Thor
question: what if the tyranids from warhammer 40k ever to exist in the star wars universe do you think any of the star wars factions have a chance against the the tyranids? sorry I'm new to your channel and I do agree with you that the Old republic was the golden age star wars I want star wars to comeback, sorry man it was a curious question I was asking.
@@ScionLord8 Of course all the factions can easily beat the Tyranids. 40k factions are technologically inferior to any Star Wars faction.
@@emberfist8347 are you sure becuase the tyranids can evolve really fast and they consumed an entire galaxy also space marine from warhammer are genetically enhaced super soldiers
@@emberfist8347 I assumed you nevered read warhamer 40k lore before specially tyranids can cut off psychic powers and they can multiply really fast you need like terminators or at least space marine to beat them.
clone troopers aren't really that good at fighting compared to space marines also eldar by comparison.
@@emberfist8347 I assumed you never read Warhammer 40k lore before, tyranids can multiply by the billions and can cut off psychic powers and evolve very fast and are highly durable also you need space marines and terminators that can rivals tyranids also clonetroopers are nothing compared to space marines and terminators by the fact space marines and terminators are genetically enhanced super soldiers that can live thousands of years.
@@ScionLord8 They still share a singular weakness of needing the big ones to command them. And a dependency on biomass. The Droid Army in particular would have no biomass and the CIS in general aren’t adverse to biological weapons so the result in a Tyranid loss. As for the Space Marines their main weapon it a projectile weapon and plasma weapons which are obsolete in the Star Wars galaxy, are a lost art. Not to mention the tactical superiority of hyperspace as an FTL method as you don’t have to deal with the troubles the Warp does to ship, it’s occupations, and it is reliable when and where you will arrive. This puts Star Wars at a significant logistical advantage.
I thought this was going to be about the writing.
Difference with Andor is he isn't just compromising pacifism but becoming just as corrupt as the Empire. It's a moral question, which would be fine, but if there's no moral difference between the Empire and the Rebellion, why cheer for the Rebellion? It's just a power struggle at that point and not a fight between good and evil. Good may compromise a bit to engage in war at all, but it they abandon what makes them good, then they are already defeated.
I DO like that Andor explores the galaxy beyond the Jedi. I think that's a strength of the show.
IIRC, Lucas specifically said that Anakin's conception wasn't supposed to be a Jesus reference, he just didn't want EU writers to create stories about his father and grandfather and great-grandfather ad infinitum.
I guess it didn't occur to him that Shmi could have Jedi ancestors.
Head-Bonk Stormtrooper: Hero or Villain?
If Andor season 2 introduces a Force user, then they better kill that Force user and make the audience and characters realize that other worldly powers will not be able to help them.
Disney has been making TCW, of course they will write the Jedi to be as flawed or worse in TCW compared to The Acolyte. TCW has been one of the biggest offenders to consistency.
You can compare legacy characters or stories to ones from the movies or shows or games to see who did it better. It might be better than legacy lore videos.
Acolyte jedi are the Temu version of prequel Jedi.