While that's true, being older does mean they have endured things longer and USUALLY have gained wisdom as a result. But like anything there are exceptions. I've always respected my elders just because they've endured the hardships of life longer than I have and are still alive.
@@enricopallazzo2987 agreed but when your biological dad is a deadbeat who steals money that is needed for his kid and pawns family possesion including things you get for christmas there isnt much to learn. He only lives to seek the next quick pleasure, and still lives with his mom. There isnt much if any to learn from him. As for my other family members some are just as bad but i knew my dad better than them so i can say for a fact he is not someone i hold high respect for. I love him but i dont care to much about him nor what goes on in his life. I talk sometimes and hangout but nothing further from that, hes just a friend at most.
You mean like the dude in this interview? Because if that were my "friend", and he put a horrible humiliating story I'd shared with him in confidence into a book or out to a live audience, I'd cut him into tiny pieces in front of his family with no remorse. He had the option to stop, but he went full go.
Do you feel like a bad person because you put light on a small amount of things that happened that you responded wrong to? Let's say someone doesent hold the door for you are they a bad person? Maybe in their eyes. Guess to me it all depends on severity of actions and own views of bad behavior.
What makes a person bad is disregard for others. What makes a person evil is feeling glee at other’s suffering, especially if that suffering is caused by him/her.
See but in my opinion, saying this, can make people not think they're a good person, if ya know what I mean, it kinda seems like this is saying, don't believe that you're a good person
Nothing is more dangerous than someone who believes they are a good person but nothing is more saddening than someone who let's their bad past eat away at them even though they have redeemed themselves
true but at the same time being self critical is the price you have to pay if you truly want to be a good person, pride is the root of all evil the more highly you think of yourself and the more you say "i'm a good person" to yourself the more evil cruel mean spirited and self righteous you become
What makes someone a bad person... not having any remorse, and the unwillingness to acknowledge the world that exists outside of their own little bubble
cmtmj2006 something about ppl who compare themselves to others close to them rather than comparing themselves to who they were the days, weeks, months, or years before
Yea he’s kinda like one of those girls who says they’re a psycho or whatever or some mental illness and then they give horrible examples or have non at all. And during the day they act normal. Idk psychologically it seems like he wants to be seen as the “bad guy” like he keeps trying to prove that he’s a “bad guy” by continuing to explain how he is so.
The fact that he can admit his faults and be very honest about his shortcomings makes him refreshingly honest, non-arrogant, and honestly not a bad person. You can clearly see he has a lot of empathy and self-awareness.
I dont think he is a bad person, ill start off by saying.. but i dont think thats a valid argument, admitting to the shitty things youve done and sincerely apologizing for them doesnt automatically make you a good person if youre continuing to do such things. Its like Bojack Horseman, who constantly does bad things and always sincerely regrets it but keeps doing them, until his friends cant handle it anymore.
except you don't know the extent of the really bad things he's done, and still may do. there are people who exist who are honest with themselves and others, harbor lots of empathy, and still think and do terrible things. those traits may make them less likely to but it can happen, especially during lower periods..
wolfgang16 exactly, plus I'm assuming with how charismatic and intelligent he seems to be he's not going to air out his dirtiest laundry. Cunningness and evil are a scary combination, look at bundy.. not to mention psychology says allot of pedophiles are master manipulators.
@@bcreviews4870 though the manipulator part is true master is not necessarily for most I don't think, most are quite visibly psychologically damaged and the reason they feel attraction to kids is in fact because of the vulnerability and power they have over them, which is linked to their sexuality via trauma from development.
One of the best qualities that Joe has as a person is being able to understand people. It seems like anyone that comes on his podcast, he seems to be able to relate to them and see the good in them. Joe Rogan, you are a good human being. We need more people like you in this world.
I have OCD so I struggle with intrusive thoughts and some of the thoughts I have make me feel like a bad person even though these are not things I want to be thinking, things I enjoy thinking about or things I would actually do. So i feel like a bad person because of my thoughts too.
Hi there i know i don't know you by any means but i can 100% relate to this, which is why i am watching this video. Having OCD with intrusive thoughts is super difficult and for you to be brave enough to put it out there that you struggle with this issue is awesome. Myself and others are always here for you and you are not alone in your struggle.
It's more common than you think. I have bouts of it. You have to recognise you are not your thoughts and have no control. You recognise they are bad and don't act on them. That makes you a good person. One way to help and try release their grip is to become fascinated/ interested or laugh at them (you know like wow that was a crazy thought isnt it impressive how the brain works) . When i do that the frequency diminishes . I recently had bouts of suicidal images for months. When i accepted them, laughed, investigated. Suddenly they stopped.
Yoo lol you not a bad person! Its a biproduct of your brain like the monks say those thoughts come and go like things washing up on the beach. If Its nothing you would act out then your not bad! If you could read peoples thoughts youd me mortified. The OCD is what makes you feel bad about it. When i was a little boy i went through years of time where i thought i was evil because of my thoughts when they are just a biproduct of tge brain with guilt attached. Im bad at proving my point but i hope that makes sense
As someone who lived under the thumb of his domineering (yet still very loving) mother for 37 years before she also died of cancer in May, the story of Chuck's muted glee at knowing the freedom that would come once his mother died hits home like nothing else. You feel terrible for it but, in a way, it helps you get through the grieving process. For the past 3 months I've been free, and while I'm not "young", I'm still young ENOUGH to do something with my life (I truly pity those whose domineering parent(s) live into their 90s or beyond). I can do whatever I want now. R.I.P. Mom. Thank you, Chuck!
@Amit Patel it's only human to think like that. But when he's gone, you'll only remember the good things, and you'll miss him. That's being human also. God Love you, you're a great daughter.
“I don’t think that makes u a bad person. I think that makes you a person who’s honest ab thoughts that are very uncomfortable.” Incredibly astute observation.
I think anyone who thinks they are a good person but uses AC in a country that burns food for fuel, ethenol for example, while other humans, children even will die due to malnutrition related issues... Not a good human. I'm not a good human. I pay taxes to a government that does very, very bad things... Repeatedly. With apparent malice on occasion. That serves a master that is not the people. But I believe that December 15, 1791 was the most important day in human history. It gives us a shot to all be the good people our natural rights bestow upon us. So long as the Bill of Rights exists... We have a shot. Now... I gotta go drop my AC so I sleep better... ? 🤔
this really made me tear up. I cared for my nan when she was dying of cancer and felt awful because I was so MAD at her. Part of me was so hateful at her being this poorly, I've never forgiven myself for it
Lots of people go through this especially when somebody’s sick. It’s not uncommon at all. Even people with overbearing mothers or alcoholic abusive fathers feel relief at their passing even if they love them. It’s all OK! It really is
@@plorin3015 no I've had family die of cancer and I was never upset at them or mad at them for their poor health. I would sometimes get upset at the situation and how I had no real power to change anything but never mad at them.
This doesn't make you a bad person! It's called self-preservation. It is so traumatic having someone you love suffering from a terminal illness. The fact that you had the insight & courage to confess these very personal feelings makes me feel that you are a man with a great deal of integrity.
This dude: I'm a bad person Joe: How so? Dude: I took care of my mum when she had cancer. I give money to the homeless. I feed the poor. I'm a horrible cunt!
Right. Even saying that the burden of responsibility was lifted from his shoulders when his mom died just tells that he embraced that responsibility because he loved her. You don't feel responisible when you don't care about them.
He's just being self-critical, which doesn't allow him to see the good in himself. It's not a bad thing to be self-critical, as you can evaluate properly on your actions, however it can be damaging. Being self-critical causes you to doubt a lot.
I struggle to believe in the idea of either being a good or bad person. Everyone has the potential to be both and will be both at some point. It’s your awareness of these actions and ability to learn from them that truely determines your character
Hi, thanks for this insight. I see where you are coming from, and I would like to agree, but I have trouble applying this to people who have committed serious crimes. For instance, Chris Watts who is doing life in prison for murdering his entire family. I feel like if you do something like that, then no matter what your intentions, repentance, remorse, or corrective action looks like afterward, you are a bad person solely because of the action that you took. Do you agree? Why or why not?
@@Charles_ReidI agree, for me crimes/actions that involved directly harming someone set in stone how I view that person. But I am not in the mind of those people and don’t know if they feel true remorse. That’s between them and god.
@Tachyon...sometimes it can be the right think to do, the beneficial and merciful thing to do to not help someone. Sometimes people have to and need to do things for themselves for their own growth.
@Matt Watson-My explanation is a little simplistic because the same person can undertake good and bad actions and few people are 100% ‘bad’ or ‘good’. Also sometimes negative, harmful actions can be justified and justifiable.
@ Casual User...but can’t people do very harmful, terrible things without meaning too are being aware of what they are doing? Of course they can...so one has to bring intention into it.
This guy has a voice of someone who would be on radio at 3 a.m. while you're driving and you're getting hella sleepy and I realized because of this dudes voice and the mood lol
@Loveless78 committing a crime doesn’t equate to a bad person. Making a few bad decisions doesn’t make you a bad person. Everyone had a reason they do the things they do, whether they acknowledge it for not there’s a reason behind every action. It’s not *always* the action that you should judge the situation on, sometimes it’s the reason. Good people do bad things because bad things happen to good people. If a man kills another man for molesting his daughter, who’s the bad guy? The man protecting his daughter? Because in the eyes of the law he is bad and would be locked up just the same.
Dang he's really honest. I think many people have thoughts like the ones he said, they just don't talk about it. You can tell he feels remorse for these thoughts too. So I definitely don't think he's a bad person.
Palahniuk: “I’m a bad person.” *explanation Rogan: That doesn’t make you a bad person.. *long thoughtful pause, deep breath “No I’m a bad person.” Idk why but I think about this specific conversation a lot haha
This guy is very intelligent and a great story teller, totally different than when cody garbrandt and uriah faber were trying to tell a story about Tj dillashaw. That was very painful to listen to
yeah mortpure I think somebody played basketball with cody's head as a kid. I think Uriah hit his head on a curb trying to do a kickflip neither of those guys make any sense when they talk.
The last 2 months of my mom’s life, i took care of her. And i really understand the way this guy puts it in this video, it was a burden on my mind all the time. Worrying that something could happen to her at any moment, that she could die, trip/fall, etc... It was a relief in a way to not have to worry like that anymore. Even though i loved her of all my heart.
My mentor used to say, that often, it’s a good person that thinks they’re bad and a bad person thinks they’re good. The good person is super critical of themselves. The bad person rationalizes his bad behavior away. The great evil people of history would not say they were evil. They’convinced themselves what they were doing was good. People can rationalize killing millions of people, deluding themselves that they are helping humanity.
I had a friend. In no way do I consider him a bad person...but he has a ruthless, unforgiving streak. Childish even. He's heavily involved in the church. Meanwhile, I'm a drunk, have been arrested, I'm rude and judgemental..,but I am super forgiving, generous and just willing to help, even an enemy. Blowing my own horn here, but i think I'm a good demon and he's a bad angel.
I think I'm both. I'm critical of myself for the bad things that I've done, but I defend myself by remembering that any judgement from others would probably be hypocritical, because everyone else has done similarly bad things. And if it's not hypocritical, it's still coming from someone that has inevitably done something that someone else would find reprehensible. Everyone has a different way of judging moral character, and I'm constantly reminded that none of them are valid.
True. The difference is in percentage. If you are a good person 80% of the time, there are really good choises that you are a good person indeed (if in that 20% that remain you don't go around do terrible things, lol), and viceversa. If the percentage is the opposite, you probably are a shitty person.
It boils down to how do you treat your fellow man? Were the type to kick a homeless bum as you walk by? Or the one who shared a smile w the bum as you walk by.. God has only 1 requirement from us.... be good to each other, and pay no attention to those you dont care for. Your color, wealth, intellectual, ways we destroy and abuse our bodies, isn't what God sees in us its how did you treat one another. Thats my opinion ...
He said he wants to develop a thicker skin but by doing that he is in fact hidding his true gift which is being a sensitive, empathetic and caring person. Nothing is wrong with being that way. I struggled with that too until a couple of persons told me that they liked this side of me. This is guy is in fact very courageous and honest.
8:49 as a mixed guy I 100% understand where that guy was coming from. I’ve been bullied about my physical appearance by Black and White people for my whole life and I’ve never felt like I have a group to belong to either. I don’t think what that guy was saying was entirely untrue or even racist at all.
Yea you gotta keep looking for the right kinda, it took a long time to find good people. Also sometimes gotta look at yourself and tweek certain things about your personality. Not to change yourself but work on social skills, just remember your doing it for yourself.
Yeah, I didn't think it was really racist. As a mixed person and hearing this from other mixed people, they've basically had the same experience. I've heard some mixed people say that basically the parents don't necessarily get how it will effect the kids since they themselves haven't experienced it. I'm mixed Asian and Hispanic, and also never felt "in" either side culturally, completely. And I suppose, it's because I'm not and that's okay.
As a mixed person i dont find this to be true, at least for me its not. I live in England so theres less rascism than the US. But personally, i tend to forget im even mixed raced. My circle of friends contains white, asian, black and other mixed people as well so it not like i stand out for that reason.
@KM No, pretty sure you just don't know what an oxymoron is. Otherwise you would've been able to adequately explain how "murder" and "self aware" contradict each other. Hint: They don't. Look at Ed Kemper.. murderer/serial killer who is self aware to the point where he's refused to be released from prison every opportunity he has gotten.
@@damianthebeholder6775 nah, a murderer is a person that killed another person with the intention of killing them. Now, the REASON for murdering someone may be the debate.
He should have started upping the ante after Joe told him his example didn't make him a bad person.... Joe: So you felt your mother was a burden ? That doesn't make you a bad person. Give me another example... Guest: Well, I killed this hitchhiker in 1960. Joe: Ummmmm......
Don't think I've ever seen a Chuck Palahniuk interview ever. Nothing like I expected. I expected a cigarette smoking savage, not a highly refined gay guy lol. How did I never know that?
@XZDrake Animal Farm isn't just about communism.Same thing with other Orwell's book.I bet you think that "1984" was about communism as well. That's not true. Some people see what they want to see.Destructive masculinity? Good one.
@XZDrake Literally? Orwell: "every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written … against TOTALITARIANISM and democratic socialism".Now look around and ask yourself: is it past, or just the beginning of mind control and almighty politicians?
@@uxoriousNO Nah fam i was trying to say that our thoughts define our words and actions. Actions and words originate from thoughts. We are,what we think.
@@sisnegelicayan8266 it's TRUE we dont have complete control of our thoughts. we think bad things but that does not define us does it? isnt what we do and what we say most important?
I'm burying my father in two and a half hours, he just passed away from lung cancer and I have taken care of him the last two years and this hits me so hard. This is very heavy. I'm so glad I got to see this, I needed this 🙏
@@NIGHTMARENAVIGATORZ your very welcome. & I hope you are doing alright. I know just how hard it is; I lost my father-in-law the same way in 2018, Last time they checked he had 17 masses on his brain we cared for him 24/7. I would never wish this on anyone... & My partner still to this day calls him b4 he jerries. 🙏🏼
" you're not convinced? no I'm just not revealing the worst stuff" exactly what I was thinking. We all have some dark shit we would never admit to out loud, especially on the biggest podcast in the world LOL. Chuck should really hear Doug Stanhope's dead Mom story and see if he still feels like a bad guy.
Satevo Exactly. You can tell from the specific way he looks down to think. You’d have to simply not care what others thought to spill your own darkest ones.
I agree with Joe, having those thoughts is something almost everyone has, but not many admit it. Thinking and feeling a certain way doesn't make you bad, but acting on those thoughts or allowing your dark thoughts to effect others is a big part of what makes a bad person I think.
My mother and grandmother both died within a few years of each other. Both of them being in poor heath would have been a terrible burden on me and my wife. I miss them, but they didn't take care of their health and their poor choices negatively effected the whole family. I hope people think about that when they make health choices, but most people don't.
Everything he said is true. I took care of my husband for 2 and a half years and was relieved when he died. It's the truth. No one can really understand until they go through it. I wish it on no one.
Being a good or bad person is relative to what an average person is. This guy is not a bad person compared to the average person. He’s just very self aware and in fact caring. He’s worried he might be bad, but that’s because the well-being of others is important to him. He’s empathetic.
I think his thinking of himself as a bad person, shows that he is actually a good person who just messes up sometimes. Because if he was truly a bad person, he wouldn't see these actions as bad.
The problem is, there is no “Good” or “Bad”. These are concepts formed from our perception. Because we human beings by nature are such emotional creatures, we constantly provide meaning, when in reality, none actually exists. So my advice is to just make the most out of your brief, little, meaningless existence. Enjoy doing whatever it is you feel like, because you will not be good and you will not be bad. You will simply, Be.
I don't think his story about his Mom dying makes him a bad person. Cancer is one of those ways to die that is painful physically for the person who is going through it, and it is emotionally painful for the people around them. What makes cancer so hated is that when the person finally dies, people feel a sense of relief that the deceased doesn't have to deal with the pain anymore. Being in that much pain makes people unable to take care of themselves, so feeling like you will be free if they die just maybe a mixed up emotion.
Textbook definition of "Cognitive Dissonance"... In this case, yes, he loves his mother... everyone (normal) does. He's there treating her, caring for her needs, putting up with horrible hours, no pay for it... That commitment on a personal level is clear... AND then he knows "the end" is coming. He's consciously aware that she's dying... maybe not exactly imminently, but sooner rather than later. It doesn't stop him caring for her, loving her, and all the warts... BUT he feels the relief ahead, the light at the end of the tunnel. He knows what it means, and the freedom that will come with it... even at the cost of his mom. AND society somehow claims that he shouldn't feel that sense of relief if he really cared in the first place... SO he hates himself for it... Cognitive Dissonance... and we ALL suffer through some forms of it at some points in our life. Look it up... learn it, live it, love it. ;o)
I watched cancer sneak into my mothers life in '99 and take her out. Then the same thing is happening to my dad now. The shit that randomly goes through your head during the period of their illness is crazy. Ive felt both extremes: told i was a great son for taking care of them and a loser for the times i embraced the idea of them not being around much longer. When you see someone you care about in a constant state of suffering you want them to be gone for their own sake, or is it your sake? This is something most of us experience in matters of this nature. It keeps ya centered haha!
I think he's done bad shit and knows it , just like all of us .... He just is not going to tell us and quite frankly this interview made me a better person... I wish I could dare to be as revealing to others as he is... I found this interview mind bliwing
If you took care of your dying mother your an amazing person a saint no matter what went through your mind. My mother also died of cancer and I wasn't there for her nearly enough and it eats me up everyday.
atomic hey nobody does life perfect. It’s important we observe our own shortcomings and where we could’ve done better but if your mom had an opinion now on you she wouldn’t judge you on the only mistakes you make. My mom passed of cancer and we all feel we could have done better for them. Don’t be too harsh on urself! Live an honorable life and always honor your mom and they’ll be happy with that.
@atomic I took care of my mum while cancer was killing her. I was with her every day for six months, and I’m still wracked with guilt. I think in situations like that, we never feel like we did enough, even if we did everything we could.
When my dad died it was the saddest moment I had ever experienced, but I also thought of how he didn’t have to feel anymore pain and how I would be relieved of the responsibility of watching him all the time, making sure he was okay. The pain far outweighed any sense of relief, which I’m sure that’s how Chuck felt too.
I feel the same….but honestly 3 years later I still cry about my dad but atleast he isn’t Kipling himself anymore! And plus he doesn’t have to live in a meat suite that can die at any moment!
The same happened to me to, my dad died when I turned 20 last year, he was 56 years old, but the happiest thing is that I was with him, his last minutes of life.
Last I saw mine he was yelling at me, last words I said to him was "Fuck you!" And I'm proud of that, he died 3 days later, in between that time he was sending me voicemails saying he was sorry just like he said every other time for the past 15 years at that point. No more apologies, if you won't change you don't deserve forgiveness, wish I could go back and beat the dentures outta his mouth. Also left handprints on my back at 7, must've repressed that cuz I've seen the photos, hit me a couple times but mostly yelling, don't care that shit fucked with my brain permanently and he can rot for that, dumped his ashes in the dirt where be belongs
In my country when someone who was suffering from a terminal illness dies we don’t say he died we say he is "relieved" looking forward to a loved ones death when they are suffering is just proof of how much you care for them and that you are ready to lose them in order for their sufferance to end that’s an act of selflessness if you ask me because they wish for the same thing .
Chuck Palahniuk is one of the most profound writers of our time. I got to see him speak in person at a reading in Madison, WI years ago. He is f**ked up in the most amazing way.
My wife is Japanese and I'm white. When I had to ask the mother and father in law for their daughter's hand, the father quickly offered it up. He loved Westerns and American action movies. The mother in law was worried, however. She told her daughter that it would be easier to just marry another Japanese person because their would be some problems with having a mixed race marriage and mixed race kids. Unlike Joe and his buddy who just declared the guy at dinner "racist", I listened to her. Some of her criticisms were legitimate, but I needed to reassure her that her daughter would be taken care of. Fine. 18 years married this September and my relationship with the in laws couldn't be better. Sick and tired of the hyperventilation about race. Glad I live in Japan where, despite being the minority, I don't have this BS shoved in my face daily.
Japanese people would be considered racist as hell based on the definitions that some people in very vocal minority’s set for racism. This is why they are awesome, they aren’t afraid to animate something, voice a concern that may be a bit touchy in the “modern” west, or just put something bluntly because they’ve lived hard lives, too.
I understand him. I had some horrific thoughts and desires that resulted in a mental breakdown. It was single handly the worst experience of my life. The thought of that mental break down and the reason for it has frightened me for years. I been afraid to tell anyone because I am afraid people will judge me or call the cops on me or throw me into the looney house. I have been able to tell one friend about it and I felt like a thousand lb weight was lifted from my brain. But since then its been much better, but I still feel imprisoned. This podcast really helped. Because it id that I am very self critical. Mostly because religion taught me that we should always be changing. Always confessing part of ourselves that dont align with who God is. I am tired of keeping these toughts secret. I also have two terribly bad sleeve tattoos and no one has ever said anything positive about them. Quite the contrary I been judged for them openly and it hurt so much. I am tired of hiding and keeping secrets wish I could just tell one person my deepest darkest thoughts and desires so I could be healed. I hate having it. I just want to enjoy life and be happy and positive, but I struggle with anxiety, OCD and overthinming since I was a child so it doesnt help.
Intrusive-thought OCD is the worst… but one way I’ve learned to think of it is sometimes those thoughts come because they’re the thing we desperately don’t want to happen. If the thoughts come and you immediately cringe and feel ashamed then that’s good. That probably sounds weird but it’s the better alternative to actually enjoying those thoughts.
I understand, my intrusive thoughts felt so real one week that my past problems felt like nothing. I fasted and prayed for 2 days, turned to religion in desperation. I used to be a atheist but after those 2 days my thoughts practically went away or I was able to easily let it pass. I also wrote down all my thoughts and disproved it on paper, carried that letter on myself for a while. This isn’t for everyone but it might be helpful. You know yourself and you cannot be deceived, remind yourself of that whenever you start doubting yourself.
I think his thoughts about his mother’s impending death are probably thoughts many people in similar situations have, and sure, it’s not a pretty thought. But caring for someone who’s dying is seen as an extremely selfless, and sometimes close to heroic act. There’s a reason why people value it so much: it requires disregard for your own discomfort. An act is not selfless if it doesn’t require some sort of sacrifice. So the downsides of his situation are real, that’s exactly why his act is valued at all. So these thoughts don’t make him a bad person. Walking away from his mother and not doing “the right thing” might have made him a bad person (or at least not a particularly good one).
He was fishing for Joe to give a ‘dark story’ and even explained what he does and was doing... but joe never took the bait and played it brilliantly haha
You know if that’s true that’s crazy, that’s a level of manipulation most wouldn’t be able to comprehend. I usually catch this stuff but I’ll admit, I empathised with him and maybe he did fool me or maybe he was being honest. Who knows?
Here's a dark story. When I was 25 I volunteered at nursing home where my grandfather was a patient. Also when I was 25 l was a compulsive masturbator. Finish the story.....
As a black women I think it wasn’t at all racist that the father noticed how different the child’s life would be. In fact I thought it was amazing that both black and white people notice this difference and accept it. It’s the fact that he just didn’t like the idea of it or of black peppercorns in general. But noticing the difference is very real. Mixed kids have different experiences at least in the black community
Ironically, you can only be an authentically good person if you choose to be good. And you don’t have a real choice until you are genuinely in touch in your dark side. No one is good or bad. We’re all both.
This bit about his mother is pure honesty - it flashes through your head - like in Fight Club where he's so fed up he want's the plane to crash he's in in the most horrific way ....
Everyone is a bad person at times and we are all villains in someone's story. Everyone is good at times and can be a hero in somebody's eyes. John Wayne gacy was a bad guy. He was also the guy who protected his sister in school and made 1970s kids happy as a birthday party clown. He was a buddy to the guys at the shriners club. And a monster to the boys in his home. People arent just one thing.
There are verying degrees of being bad or wicked. Whem my parents died i was telieved that those people who caused me so much pain as a child. I would mo longer have to try to love. Go figure. They were tho eff ns in my side.
Goes both ways, the relief is for the pain that person goes through being over and the fact that you have your freedom from taking care of this person. Not necessarily meant in a ill intended way. Seeing a parent suffering from an illness is something that nobody should have to go through but is a natural part of life, and feeling a sense of relief after that period of time ending isn’t selfish. Cause you don’t just feel it for yourself but for that parent or other family member as well.
6:04 He's thinking should i tell him about that rape and murder I committed in my early 20's. Nahhh... I already did the whole whisper thing. He should get it, I'm a bad person.
I’m a young adult, 23 years old. When I was younger I always used to follow my mom around the house, as I got older, I’ve always had a lot of respect for my mom. Even though she didn’t make a ton of money she always found ways for my family to have fun through vacations. I haven’t lost a lot of people in my life but I hear of the stories of people who’ve had and I’ve always wondered what it would be like to lose my mom, she is not only my provider but about 80% of my life. I would go insane without her, in fact, I would probably fall into deep depression and have suicidal thoughts if she was gone from my life. Going back to what they talk about in this podcast, much like the guy being interviewed, dementia and such run in the family line so I always wondered what my mom and dad would be like with dementia and I just can’t seem them like that in my head, I start to cry. It’s not the same person, especially Alzheimer’s, you’ve pretty much lost them at that point. It’s not them. You are seeing them in a very weak state and nothing hurts you more than seeing them like that. I don’t know why I do this to myself but I am a very imaginative guy that thinks a lot of “what if’s” or thinks ahead. I wouldn’t say it makes anyone a bad person to think of any positives on a death especially when your the caregiver but to me, it would just throw my whole life off balance to even see them like that, especially to lose them.
These what-ifs are normal and necessary. Its your brain preparing you for the worst scenario. And also being depressed and suicidal after a parent's death isn't something to be proud of, and your parents don't want you to be in that state either. So you better start getting comfortable with this inevitable future. God bless you and yours.
What makes someone bad? The moment the bad person starts actually enjoying other people suffering, in any way. Moms do it. Dads do it. Priests do it. Polliticians make a business out of doing it.
Joe, what a compassionate and enlightened thing to say! "I don't thing think that makes you a bad person. I think that makes you a person who's honest about thoughts that are very uncomfortable." WOW! Really amazing.
I have been living with my mom while she has fought cancer on and off for 5 years. I get it. But she's not going anywhere. And that's awesome. We are all bad people. It is no measure of Health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick Society.
Man. I’ve been reading Palahniuk for years but never seen or heard him speak off the page before, truly an insightful and painfully truthful individual, dude seems as real as they get. One of my fav guests you’ve ever had on your show 🤘🏻
What makes someone a bad person in my book is if you purposefully try to hurt people for whatever reason without showing remorse and never apologize, hurting people could mean physical but also mentally like talking bad about people for maybe your own good and thinking that it is right..
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people who claim they're good can be some of the cruelest
Yeah I heard Ronald McDonald was a real hard nosed bastard. Apparently the hamburgler was driven to alcoholism from workplace bullying.
@@joere-uploader5766 theyre not there
@@joere-uploader5766 lol u mad bruh?
@@joere-uploader5766 different derivative btw
Department of Motor Vehicles I had to wait 2 hours last time I went to you. There were 5 or 6 people working and about 10 patrons
"just because someone's older, doesn't mean they have learned anything"
Speak!
My dad and other family is a prime example lol
@@garrettvaughn3086 ditto. What is annoying is their inability to consider facts which run counter to their "beliefs" or "opinions".
While that's true, being older does mean they have endured things longer and USUALLY have gained wisdom as a result. But like anything there are exceptions. I've always respected my elders just because they've endured the hardships of life longer than I have and are still alive.
@@enricopallazzo2987 agreed but when your biological dad is a deadbeat who steals money that is needed for his kid and pawns family possesion including things you get for christmas there isnt much to learn. He only lives to seek the next quick pleasure, and still lives with his mom. There isnt much if any to learn from him. As for my other family members some are just as bad but i knew my dad better than them so i can say for a fact he is not someone i hold high respect for. I love him but i dont care to much about him nor what goes on in his life. I talk sometimes and hangout but nothing further from that, hes just a friend at most.
I think a bad person is someone who knowingly hurts people past their breaking point, but keeps going when they have the option to stop.
That’s spot on. I once knew a guy who told me how he viewed people. He was very nihilistic and would cause problems for no reason. Definitely bad.
You mean like the dude in this interview? Because if that were my "friend", and he put a horrible humiliating story I'd shared with him in confidence into a book or out to a live audience, I'd cut him into tiny pieces in front of his family with no remorse. He had the option to stop, but he went full go.
@@lr6884 This is normal for comics , and he didn’t even name him wtf I think you are the bad one
I have experienced employers like that.
#myex
If you tell someone they're not a bad person and they pause before whispering "...no, I am a bad person"
Just assume they're being truthful.
Bare Knuckle Canuck or they have convinced themselves that they are
@@sophiahernandez963 Perhaps, but growing comfortable with the idea of being a bad person is where the trouble starts.
@@sophiahernandez963 agreed
100% when someone tells you that, you need to listen. People dont think they are bad unless theyve hurt a lot of people.
Do you feel like a bad person because you put light on a small amount of things that happened that you responded wrong to?
Let's say someone doesent hold the door for you are they a bad person? Maybe in their eyes.
Guess to me it all depends on severity of actions and own views of bad behavior.
What makes a person bad is disregard for others. What makes a person evil is feeling glee at other’s suffering, especially if that suffering is caused by him/her.
Ali Vonal agreed
@Samuelson baker 9/10 yeah
Even being a little bad isn't so bad. Maybe most of us are pretty morally neutral at best and good and bad people are just 10 or 15% on either end.
AO Vonali it’s a jungle out there. Why should you care? Maybe bad people just aren’t brainwashed and believe in the concept of survival
@Samuelson baker I agree that the word evil shouldn't be used lightly. But unfortunately there is such a thing as evil people that exist.
He’s not bad, he’s honest. Saying truths that the rest of us are too frightened to mention makes him more courageous than terrible.
Nothing more dangerous than a person who is convinced they are a good person.
I'm Dangerous than
Yeah, combined with a righteous spirit and lots of charisma. That's how cults and dictatorships form.
See but in my opinion, saying this, can make people not think they're a good person, if ya know what I mean, it kinda seems like this is saying, don't believe that you're a good person
yea im in trouble
you just summarized the mentality of twitter
Being Self critical can most certainly make one feel like a terrible person sometimes. Very relatable!
Right on
But being self-critical kind of proves that you're a decent person. Truly bad people don't give a fuck.
@LittleTinyBabyJesus =bad person
Fasho most people just aren’t self aware people who think they are great people just haven’t studied them self enough
Yep... me
Nothing is more dangerous than someone who believes they are a good person but nothing is more saddening than someone who let's their bad past eat away at them even though they have redeemed themselves
true but at the same time being self critical is the price you have to pay if you truly want to be a good person, pride is the root of all evil the more highly you think of yourself and the more you say "i'm a good person" to yourself the more evil cruel mean spirited and self righteous you become
What makes someone a bad person... not having any remorse, and the unwillingness to acknowledge the world that exists outside of their own little bubble
cmtmj2006 that’s right about where I was coming from
cmtmj2006 something about ppl who compare themselves to others close to them rather than comparing themselves to who they were the days, weeks, months, or years before
Nothing exists outside my own bubble. If it does, it's completely invisible to me.
so basically a feminist
that makes you a psychopath
-That doesn’t make you a bad person
-Thinks about it for four seconds*
-no. I’m a bad person...
New fan. Lmao
Honesty is king.
Sounds like he has intrusive thoughts and is super self-critical about them.
A bad person wouldn't be concerned about being a bad person.
I agree completely. Someone who is truly bad wouldn’t reflect upon themselves in such a critical way.
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Call if you are you/Tyler Durden........
Having worked with at least one sociopath and many narcissists, I can confirm this...
Yea he’s kinda like one of those girls who says they’re a psycho or whatever or some mental illness and then they give horrible examples or have non at all. And during the day they act normal.
Idk psychologically it seems like he wants to be seen as the “bad guy” like he keeps trying to prove that he’s a “bad guy” by continuing to explain how he is so.
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The fact that he can admit his faults and be very honest about his shortcomings makes him refreshingly honest, non-arrogant, and honestly not a bad person. You can clearly see he has a lot of empathy and self-awareness.
I dont think he is a bad person, ill start off by saying.. but i dont think thats a valid argument, admitting to the shitty things youve done and sincerely apologizing for them doesnt automatically make you a good person if youre continuing to do such things. Its like Bojack Horseman, who constantly does bad things and always sincerely regrets it but keeps doing them, until his friends cant handle it anymore.
except you don't know the extent of the really bad things he's done, and still may do. there are people who exist who are honest with themselves and others, harbor lots of empathy, and still think and do terrible things. those traits may make them less likely to but it can happen, especially during lower periods..
wolfgang16 exactly, plus I'm assuming with how charismatic and intelligent he seems to be he's not going to air out his dirtiest laundry. Cunningness and evil are a scary combination, look at bundy.. not to mention psychology says allot of pedophiles are master manipulators.
He did not even reveal the worst parts
@@bcreviews4870 though the manipulator part is true master is not necessarily for most I don't think, most are quite visibly psychologically damaged and the reason they feel attraction to kids is in fact because of the vulnerability and power they have over them, which is linked to their sexuality via trauma from development.
put the goddamn guests name in the friggin title!!!!!!1
Lies
Chuck Pahlaniuk
@@cupofmozzarella actually isn't
@@RickWeberSR Author of Fight Club
mazdarati2 actually it’s not...
"thats not being a bad person, thats someone being appreciative of a dark moment" joe dropped such a red pill
One of the best qualities that Joe has as a person is being able to understand people. It seems like anyone that comes on his podcast, he seems to be able to relate to them and see the good in them. Joe Rogan, you are a good human being. We need more people like you in this world.
I have OCD so I struggle with intrusive thoughts and some of the thoughts I have make me feel like a bad person even though these are not things I want to be thinking, things I enjoy thinking about or things I would actually do. So i feel like a bad person because of my thoughts too.
Same here. But as is commonly said these days, you are not your thoughts.
Hi there i know i don't know you by any means but i can 100% relate to this, which is why i am watching this video. Having OCD with intrusive thoughts is super difficult and for you to be brave enough to put it out there that you struggle with this issue is awesome. Myself and others are always here for you and you are not alone in your struggle.
Su totally relate
It's more common than you think. I have bouts of it.
You have to recognise you are not your thoughts and have no control. You recognise they are bad and don't act on them. That makes you a good person.
One way to help and try release their grip is to become fascinated/ interested or laugh at them (you know like wow that was a crazy thought isnt it impressive how the brain works) . When i do that the frequency diminishes .
I recently had bouts of suicidal images for months. When i accepted them, laughed, investigated. Suddenly they stopped.
Yoo lol you not a bad person! Its a biproduct of your brain like the monks say those thoughts come and go like things washing up on the beach. If Its nothing you would act out then your not bad! If you could read peoples thoughts youd me mortified. The OCD is what makes you feel bad about it. When i was a little boy i went through years of time where i thought i was evil because of my thoughts when they are just a biproduct of tge brain with guilt attached. Im bad at proving my point but i hope that makes sense
As someone who lived under the thumb of his domineering (yet still very loving) mother for 37 years before she also died of cancer in May, the story of Chuck's muted glee at knowing the freedom that would come once his mother died hits home like nothing else. You feel terrible for it but, in a way, it helps you get through the grieving process. For the past 3 months I've been free, and while I'm not "young", I'm still young ENOUGH to do something with my life (I truly pity those whose domineering parent(s) live into their 90s or beyond). I can do whatever I want now. R.I.P. Mom. Thank you, Chuck!
The problem wasn't your mother. It was you.
@PALI PALI I feel like that will happen to me when my parents pass. I'll be free of my disgusting siblings...
@PALI PALI I think so, I have a step mother also...if I don't get anything at least I'll have peace at last.
@Amit Patel it's only human to think like that. But when he's gone, you'll only remember the good things, and you'll miss him. That's being human also. God Love you, you're a great daughter.
My son is much younger with a huge heart. I give him space although it takes discipline.
Joe" a buddy of mine" Rogan
LoL yes everyone is his "friend".
Joe tell me the carrot up the ass story Rogan
That is social media influence. John , just stop. don't be a tool. Know what that Means? Stop sucking the sack bro.
“I don’t think that makes u a bad person. I think that makes you a person who’s honest ab thoughts that are very uncomfortable.” Incredibly astute observation.
I think anyone who thinks they are a good person but uses AC in a country that burns food for fuel, ethenol for example, while other humans, children even will die due to malnutrition related issues...
Not a good human.
I'm not a good human. I pay taxes to a government that does very, very bad things... Repeatedly. With apparent malice on occasion. That serves a master that is not the people.
But I believe that December 15, 1791 was the most important day in human history. It gives us a shot to all be the good people our natural rights bestow upon us.
So long as the Bill of Rights exists... We have a shot.
Now... I gotta go drop my AC so I sleep better... ?
🤔
this really made me tear up. I cared for my nan when she was dying of cancer and felt awful because I was so MAD at her. Part of me was so hateful at her being this poorly, I've never forgiven myself for it
Lots of people go through this especially when somebody’s sick. It’s not uncommon at all. Even people with overbearing mothers or alcoholic abusive fathers feel relief at their passing even if they love them. It’s all OK! It really is
I've never been mad at someone for being in poor health, but some people feel that way I guess.
@@bigkmoviesandgames Maybe you just never were in the situation the OP was in.
@@plorin3015 no I've had family die of cancer and I was never upset at them or mad at them for their poor health. I would sometimes get upset at the situation and how I had no real power to change anything but never mad at them.
You were not mad at her, just the situation..
This doesn't make you a bad person! It's called self-preservation. It is so traumatic having someone you love suffering from a terminal illness. The fact that you had the insight & courage to confess these very personal feelings makes me feel that you are a man with a great deal of integrity.
I feel this, researching c-ptsd and coping/healing methods have been a big help
It’s more then coping it’s understandable that time heals all wounds.
ok boomer
@@juris9546 ok kid
Retard
This dude: I'm a bad person
Joe: How so?
Dude: I took care of my mum when she had cancer. I give money to the homeless. I feed the poor.
I'm a horrible cunt!
Right. Even saying that the burden of responsibility was lifted from his shoulders when his mom died just tells that he embraced that responsibility because he loved her. You don't feel responisible when you don't care about them.
He gave death penalty to his father's murderer , maybe that's the reason he thinks that
He's just being self-critical, which doesn't allow him to see the good in himself. It's not a bad thing to be self-critical, as you can evaluate properly on your actions, however it can be damaging. Being self-critical causes you to doubt a lot.
I have never related to someone so much in my life.
Is this dude, Chuck Palahniuk?
I struggle to believe in the idea of either being a good or bad person. Everyone has the potential to be both and will be both at some point. It’s your awareness of these actions and ability to learn from them that truely determines your character
Well said
Hi, thanks for this insight. I see where you are coming from, and I would like to agree, but I have trouble applying this to people who have committed serious crimes. For instance, Chris Watts who is doing life in prison for murdering his entire family. I feel like if you do something like that, then no matter what your intentions, repentance, remorse, or corrective action looks like afterward, you are a bad person solely because of the action that you took. Do you agree? Why or why not?
@@Charles_ReidI agree, for me crimes/actions that involved directly harming someone set in stone how I view that person. But I am not in the mind of those people and don’t know if they feel true remorse. That’s between them and god.
A bad person is someone who deliberately and knowingly does harm, who negatively effects other living things deliberately.
Hes killed many characters 🤣🤭
Also people who knowingly doesn't help someone else when he is in the perfect situation to help them.
@Tachyon...sometimes it can be the right think to do, the beneficial and merciful thing to do to not help someone. Sometimes people have to and need to do things for themselves for their own growth.
@Matt Watson-My explanation is a little simplistic because the same person can undertake good and bad actions and few people are 100% ‘bad’ or ‘good’. Also sometimes negative, harmful actions can be justified and justifiable.
@ Casual User...but can’t people do very harmful, terrible things without meaning too are being aware of what they are doing? Of course they can...so one has to bring intention into it.
This guy has a voice of someone who would be on radio at 3 a.m. while you're driving and you're getting hella sleepy and I realized because of this dudes voice and the mood lol
he sounds like Sam Harris. coincidentally, that's your first name too XD
Crazy I'm listening to this driving home and tired. Hopefully I don'
Yessss, I dig the voice for sure
currently speeding down the highway to work 😂
-"I'm a bad person"
-"why?"
-"if I tell I go to jail"
that's one way to be a legit bad person lol
@@mangosaltnic by committing a crime??
@@conorclarke123 i meant to say "one another way" haha my english is obviously bad
lol
@Loveless78 committing a crime doesn’t equate to a bad person. Making a few bad decisions doesn’t make you a bad person. Everyone had a reason they do the things they do, whether they acknowledge it for not there’s a reason behind every action. It’s not *always* the action that you should judge the situation on, sometimes it’s the reason. Good people do bad things because bad things happen to good people. If a man kills another man for molesting his daughter, who’s the bad guy? The man protecting his daughter? Because in the eyes of the law he is bad and would be locked up just the same.
Dang he's really honest. I think many people have thoughts like the ones he said, they just don't talk about it. You can tell he feels remorse for these thoughts too. So I definitely don't think he's a bad person.
Palahniuk: “I’m a bad person.”
*explanation
Rogan: That doesn’t make you a bad person..
*long thoughtful pause, deep breath
“No I’m a bad person.”
Idk why but I think about this specific conversation a lot haha
I would love to sit down with Joe and just talk for hours. Love the way his thought process works and wish more people could have this mentality.
Luke Nelson I couldn’t agree more
He grew up with hippie parents fortunately
I wouldn't
@@badxradxandy nobody cares if you would or wouldn't Andrew
@@92christinam who cares tho
This guy is very intelligent and a great story teller, totally different than when cody garbrandt and uriah faber were trying to tell a story about Tj dillashaw. That was very painful to listen to
Hahaha
Thx for the lols, and... the horrible memory of those two apres talking xD .
yeah mortpure I think somebody played basketball with cody's head as a kid. I think Uriah hit his head on a curb trying to do a kickflip neither of those guys make any sense when they talk.
No he's a story teller who seems very intelligent
They looked like two school kids having lunch with the principal
The last 2 months of my mom’s life, i took care of her. And i really understand the way this guy puts it in this video, it was a burden on my mind all the time. Worrying that something could happen to her at any moment, that she could die, trip/fall, etc... It was a relief in a way to not have to worry like that anymore. Even though i loved her of all my heart.
What makes someone a bad person? Putting the milk in before the cereal
Lolol
Unbased
putting the toilet paper so you have to tear it from under… now that’s bad
Yeah that shits creepy
💀💀
This guy is low key trying to do ASMR
Are you baiting?
What's ASMR?
Fr tho he's throating that mic
Luis Oropeza he’s what? 😏
Spark That J you saw what I said!!! Isn't how ASMR is done???
My mentor used to say, that often, it’s a good person that thinks they’re bad and a bad person thinks they’re good.
The good person is super critical of themselves. The bad person rationalizes his bad behavior away.
The great evil people of history would not say they were evil. They’convinced themselves what they were doing was good. People can rationalize killing millions of people, deluding themselves that they are helping humanity.
I had a friend. In no way do I consider him a bad person...but he has a ruthless, unforgiving streak. Childish even. He's heavily involved in the church. Meanwhile, I'm a drunk, have been arrested, I'm rude and judgemental..,but I am super forgiving, generous and just willing to help, even an enemy. Blowing my own horn here, but i think I'm a good demon and he's a bad angel.
I think I'm both. I'm critical of myself for the bad things that I've done, but I defend myself by remembering that any judgement from others would probably be hypocritical, because everyone else has done similarly bad things. And if it's not hypocritical, it's still coming from someone that has inevitably done something that someone else would find reprehensible. Everyone has a different way of judging moral character, and I'm constantly reminded that none of them are valid.
We are all 'bad'. Some more often than others. We are all 'good'.Some more often than others. It's the balance that matters
Exactly were all varying shades of grey depending on the circumstance for the most part.
We all play our part
True. The difference is in percentage. If you are a good person 80% of the time, there are really good choises that you are a good person indeed (if in that 20% that remain you don't go around do terrible things, lol), and viceversa. If the percentage is the opposite, you probably are a shitty person.
It boils down to how do you treat your fellow man? Were the type to kick a homeless bum as you walk by? Or the one who shared a smile w the bum as you walk by.. God has only 1 requirement from us.... be good to each other, and pay no attention to those you dont care for. Your color, wealth, intellectual, ways we destroy and abuse our bodies, isn't what God sees in us its how did you treat one another. Thats my opinion ...
Good Point
He is a good person because he knows he is a bad person.
Whoa
All people are bad people. Most are just in denial.
@@idkman2633 I don't think that's how it works.
@@idkman2633 I don't think that's how it works.
@@PotatoMC1 yea I would say it is
He said he wants to develop a thicker skin but by doing that he is in fact hidding his true gift which is being a sensitive, empathetic and caring person. Nothing is wrong with being that way. I struggled with that too until a couple of persons told me that they liked this side of me. This is guy is in fact very courageous and honest.
I think everyone has that secret selfishness in them. Some acknowledge it and others don't.
It's necessary for survival
@Sam Maloney me 2
@Sam Maloney i did not say im a saint. Conciously my need to help others is way more developed than my need to help myself. I aggree with the Wolves.
@Sam Maloney im Not saying you Said that, i was aggreeing with you friend
@Sam Maloney mother theresa was a bitch? Never read into her History. Why was she?
8:49 as a mixed guy I 100% understand where that guy was coming from. I’ve been bullied about my physical appearance by Black and White people for my whole life and I’ve never felt like I have a group to belong to either. I don’t think what that guy was saying was entirely untrue or even racist at all.
Well I'm "mixed " and got no problems. Would have been sad to be aborted
Same reaction.
Yea you gotta keep looking for the right kinda, it took a long time to find good people. Also sometimes gotta look at yourself and tweek certain things about your personality. Not to change yourself but work on social skills, just remember your doing it for yourself.
Yeah, I didn't think it was really racist. As a mixed person and hearing this from other mixed people, they've basically had the same experience. I've heard some mixed people say that basically the parents don't necessarily get how it will effect the kids since they themselves haven't experienced it. I'm mixed Asian and Hispanic, and also never felt "in" either side culturally, completely. And I suppose, it's because I'm not and that's okay.
As a mixed person i dont find this to be true, at least for me its not. I live in England so theres less rascism than the US. But personally, i tend to forget im even mixed raced. My circle of friends contains white, asian, black and other mixed people as well so it not like i stand out for that reason.
a person who admits or realizes or thinks he is a bad person, is a good person.
A murderer saying he is bad doesn't make him good. It makes him self aware.
That just proves that you have no idea what an oxymoron is, assuming that you know what those other words mean.
@KM No, pretty sure you just don't know what an oxymoron is. Otherwise you would've been able to adequately explain how "murder" and "self aware" contradict each other. Hint: They don't. Look at Ed Kemper.. murderer/serial killer who is self aware to the point where he's refused to be released from prison every opportunity he has gotten.
@@user5214 “a murderer” depends who he murdered.
@@damianthebeholder6775 nah, a murderer is a person that killed another person with the intention of killing them. Now, the REASON for murdering someone may be the debate.
A bad person would not even have a moment of conflict or guilt about feeling relief over the death of a loved one who was suffering.
He should have started upping the ante after Joe told him his example didn't make him a bad person....
Joe: So you felt your mother was a burden ? That doesn't make you a bad person. Give me another example...
Guest: Well, I killed this hitchhiker in 1960.
Joe: Ummmmm......
Yes
This is funny
😅😅😅
@pavo6503 we've all been there.. homeless people aren't real people anyway. Don't worry
Chris Pierce lmao
It’s not that funny
Been through the same situation with my mother and father . Trust me that does not make you a bad person although it does make one feel that way .
Joe is slowly evolving into dr phil
Lol..😂😂😂😂😂😂
KKKKKKKKKKKK
God I hope not, the guys a quack
Except Dr. Phil doesn’t make his listeners better people in the end
lol
Don't think I've ever seen a Chuck Palahniuk interview ever. Nothing like I expected. I expected a cigarette smoking savage, not a highly refined gay guy lol. How did I never know that?
Charles Murry crazy right
@XZDrake that's not true
@XZDrake Animal Farm isn't just about communism.Same thing with other Orwell's book.I bet you think that "1984" was about communism as well. That's not true. Some people see what they want to see.Destructive masculinity? Good one.
@XZDrake Literally? Orwell: "every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written … against TOTALITARIANISM and democratic socialism".Now look around and ask yourself: is it past, or just the beginning of mind control and almighty politicians?
@XZDrake IN GENERAL, not literally!
the thing about his mother does not make him a bad person at all...it makes him human.
Because he is honest about being a bad person, makes him the best person.
or a humble bragger.
Unless he killed someone for pleasure.
@@JHallenbeck eh, need more context.
Our thoughts do not define us. Our words and actions define us.
Said words and actions came from thoughts.
@@sisnegelicayan8266 OK YES true , not sure what point you are trying to make
@@uxoriousNO Nah fam i was trying to say that our thoughts define our words and actions.
Actions and words originate from thoughts.
We are,what we think.
@@uxoriousNO it would be pretty cool to have total,100% control over thoughts both conscious and subconscious.
@@sisnegelicayan8266 it's TRUE we dont have complete control of our thoughts. we think bad things but that does not define us does it? isnt what we do and what we say most important?
I think his moms death was also partially him ready to let go. Everyone has to go at some point maybe he was just prepared.
I'm burying my father in two and a half hours, he just passed away from lung cancer and I have taken care of him the last two years and this hits me so hard. This is very heavy. I'm so glad I got to see this, I needed this 🙏
Z Tube ♥️
I'm sorry you are going through this 💞
@@missyemerald thanks so much
@@NIGHTMARENAVIGATORZ your very welcome. & I hope you are doing alright. I know just how hard it is; I lost my father-in-law the same way in 2018, Last time they checked he had 17 masses on his brain we cared for him 24/7. I would never wish this on anyone... & My partner still to this day calls him b4 he jerries. 🙏🏼
" you're not convinced? no I'm just not revealing the worst stuff" exactly what I was thinking. We all have some dark shit we would never admit to out loud, especially on the biggest podcast in the world LOL. Chuck should really hear Doug Stanhope's dead Mom story and see if he still feels like a bad guy.
Satevo Exactly. You can tell from the specific way he looks down to think. You’d have to simply not care what others thought to spill your own darkest ones.
I agree with Joe, having those thoughts is something almost everyone has, but not many admit it. Thinking and feeling a certain way doesn't make you bad, but acting on those thoughts or allowing your dark thoughts to effect others is a big part of what makes a bad person I think.
Some things are better left unsaid.
His honesty is amazing. This whole show was amazing.
When he spoke of wishing his mother's demise I could not avoid or curb the need to touch and tease my Weiner.
@@momosupremacy8349 the fuck
6611rokness was amazing, is this podcast not going on anymore, I don’t know that’s why I’m asking
Momo Supremacy LMAOOOO
6611rokness ❤️
My mother and grandmother both died within a few years of each other. Both of them being in poor heath would have been a terrible burden on me and my wife. I miss them, but they didn't take care of their health and their poor choices negatively effected the whole family. I hope people think about that when they make health choices, but most people don't.
Everything he said is true. I took care of my husband for 2 and a half years and was relieved when he died. It's the truth. No one can really understand until they go through it. I wish it on no one.
If Chuck knew anyone around the world of Hospice, he'd realize the universal reality of the story of his dying mother.
What's the guest's name?
Chuck palahuvhinkn (or something lol)
Chuck Palahniuk
Joe “Too much racism, had to go” Rogan
Joe "I question everything unless it affects my bank account or social capital" Rogan
joe "virtue signaling"rogan
Joe "i adopted a black girl" rogan
Joe Rogaine
@@joesmith5159 Joe “clearly triggered” smith
@@Zzz-se7om when you post stuff about people being triggered, it just makes you look like the one that's triggered
Being a good or bad person is relative to what an average person is.
This guy is not a bad person compared to the average person. He’s just very self aware and in fact caring. He’s worried he might be bad, but that’s because the well-being of others is important to him. He’s empathetic.
I think his thinking of himself as a bad person, shows that he is actually a good person who just messes up sometimes. Because if he was truly a bad person, he wouldn't see these actions as bad.
I disagree, I don’t think it’s relative . I don’t think most people are “good” or “bad”. I think they hide a lot about themselves.
The problem is, there is no “Good” or “Bad”. These are concepts formed from our perception. Because we human beings by nature are such emotional creatures, we constantly provide meaning, when in reality, none actually exists. So my advice is to just make the most out of your brief, little, meaningless existence. Enjoy doing whatever it is you feel like, because you will not be good and you will not be bad. You will simply, Be.
You should read his book, Rant.
Being a single child of elderly parents, this touches so many self concerns..wow
You should always listen to someone when they say their a bad person. They know themselves more than you....
I’ve done bad things to others. I should start doing good things to others because karma gets me eventually, and it got me.
I don't think his story about his Mom dying makes him a bad person. Cancer is one of those ways to die that is painful physically for the person who is going through it, and it is emotionally painful for the people around them. What makes cancer so hated is that when the person finally dies, people feel a sense of relief that the deceased doesn't have to deal with the pain anymore. Being in that much pain makes people unable to take care of themselves, so feeling like you will be free if they die just maybe a mixed up emotion.
I think its just more so he unconsciously coped this way
Yeah, that is a hard thing for a person to do.
Textbook definition of "Cognitive Dissonance"...
In this case, yes, he loves his mother... everyone (normal) does. He's there treating her, caring for her needs, putting up with horrible hours, no pay for it... That commitment on a personal level is clear... AND then he knows "the end" is coming. He's consciously aware that she's dying... maybe not exactly imminently, but sooner rather than later. It doesn't stop him caring for her, loving her, and all the warts... BUT he feels the relief ahead, the light at the end of the tunnel. He knows what it means, and the freedom that will come with it... even at the cost of his mom. AND society somehow claims that he shouldn't feel that sense of relief if he really cared in the first place... SO he hates himself for it...
Cognitive Dissonance... and we ALL suffer through some forms of it at some points in our life. Look it up... learn it, live it, love it. ;o)
I watched cancer sneak into my mothers life in '99 and take her out. Then the same thing is happening to my dad now.
The shit that randomly goes through your head during the period of their illness is crazy. Ive felt both extremes: told i was a great son for taking care of them and a loser for the times i embraced the idea of them not being around much longer.
When you see someone you care about in a constant state of suffering you want them to be gone for their own sake, or is it your sake? This is something most of us experience in matters of this nature.
It keeps ya centered haha!
I think he's done bad shit and knows it , just like all of us .... He just is not going to tell us and quite frankly this interview made me a better person... I wish I could dare to be as revealing to others as he is... I found this interview mind bliwing
If you took care of your dying mother your an amazing person a saint no matter what went through your mind. My mother also died of cancer and I wasn't there for her nearly enough and it eats me up everyday.
I'm sorry... I do know this feeling and it is the worst. I hope you can cope and will be ok.
Same here
atomic hey nobody does life perfect. It’s important we observe our own shortcomings and where we could’ve done better but if your mom had an opinion now on you she wouldn’t judge you on the only mistakes you make. My mom passed of cancer and we all feel we could have done better for them. Don’t be too harsh on urself! Live an honorable life and always honor your mom and they’ll be happy with that.
@atomic I took care of my mum while cancer was killing her. I was with her every day for six months, and I’m still wracked with guilt. I think in situations like that, we never feel like we did enough, even if we did everything we could.
When my dad died it was the saddest moment I had ever experienced, but I also thought of how he didn’t have to feel anymore pain and how I would be relieved of the responsibility of watching him all the time, making sure he was okay. The pain far outweighed any sense of relief, which I’m sure that’s how Chuck felt too.
I feel the same….but honestly 3 years later I still cry about my dad but atleast he isn’t Kipling himself anymore! And plus he doesn’t have to live in a meat suite that can die at any moment!
The same happened to me to, my dad died when I turned 20 last year, he was 56 years old, but the happiest thing is that I was with him, his last minutes of life.
Last I saw mine he was yelling at me, last words I said to him was "Fuck you!" And I'm proud of that, he died 3 days later, in between that time he was sending me voicemails saying he was sorry just like he said every other time for the past 15 years at that point. No more apologies, if you won't change you don't deserve forgiveness, wish I could go back and beat the dentures outta his mouth. Also left handprints on my back at 7, must've repressed that cuz I've seen the photos, hit me a couple times but mostly yelling, don't care that shit fucked with my brain permanently and he can rot for that, dumped his ashes in the dirt where be belongs
In my country when someone who was suffering from a terminal illness dies we don’t say he died we say he is "relieved" looking forward to a loved ones death when they are suffering is just proof of how much you care for them and that you are ready to lose them in order for their sufferance to end that’s an act of selflessness if you ask me because they wish for the same thing .
@@a.f9578where are you from?
Chuck Palahniuk is one of the most profound writers of our time. I got to see him speak in person at a reading in Madison, WI years ago. He is f**ked up in the most amazing way.
My wife is Japanese and I'm white. When I had to ask the mother and father in law for their daughter's hand, the father quickly offered it up. He loved Westerns and American action movies. The mother in law was worried, however. She told her daughter that it would be easier to just marry another Japanese person because their would be some problems with having a mixed race marriage and mixed race kids. Unlike Joe and his buddy who just declared the guy at dinner "racist", I listened to her. Some of her criticisms were legitimate, but I needed to reassure her that her daughter would be taken care of. Fine. 18 years married this September and my relationship with the in laws couldn't be better. Sick and tired of the hyperventilation about race. Glad I live in Japan where, despite being the minority, I don't have this BS shoved in my face daily.
VanHinkensmelter Viscount Good for you man. Don’t let any racial purists get to you. I’m half Japanese myself and I wouldn’t have it any other way.
You lucky bastard
Japanese people would be considered racist as hell based on the definitions that some people in very vocal minority’s set for racism. This is why they are awesome, they aren’t afraid to animate something, voice a concern that may be a bit touchy in the “modern” west, or just put something bluntly because they’ve lived hard lives, too.
VanHinkensmelter Viscount bro having concerns and saying it’s selfish are 2 different things
Your mother in law is racist!!!!!
I love this guy…so intense, yet so calm
Its so painful to see a loved one suffering. As much as we love them it can be a sense of relief, when they pass.
People who have no empathy and remorse are bad people to watch out for. Stay clear of those species of nothing and you are good to go!
Especially the ones who fake empathy and accuse others of lacking it.
So a Sociopath
An argument can be said aswell it's not their fault because they are born that way.
@Sam Maloney talking about psychos but yeah it can also be an acquired behavior
I understand him. I had some horrific thoughts and desires that resulted in a mental breakdown. It was single handly the worst experience of my life. The thought of that mental break down and the reason for it has frightened me for years. I been afraid to tell anyone because I am afraid people will judge me or call the cops on me or throw me into the looney house. I have been able to tell one friend about it and I felt like a thousand lb weight was lifted from my brain. But since then its been much better, but I still feel imprisoned. This podcast really helped. Because it id that I am very self critical. Mostly because religion taught me that we should always be changing. Always confessing part of ourselves that dont align with who God is. I am tired of keeping these toughts secret. I also have two terribly bad sleeve tattoos and no one has ever said anything positive about them. Quite the contrary I been judged for them openly and it hurt so much. I am tired of hiding and keeping secrets wish I could just tell one person my deepest darkest thoughts and desires so I could be healed. I hate having it. I just want to enjoy life and be happy and positive, but I struggle with anxiety, OCD and overthinming since I was a child so it doesnt help.
I feel your pain
Your not alone
I know how you feel with OCD and anxiety.
Intrusive-thought OCD is the worst… but one way I’ve learned to think of it is sometimes those thoughts come because they’re the thing we desperately don’t want to happen. If the thoughts come and you immediately cringe and feel ashamed then that’s good. That probably sounds weird but it’s the better alternative to actually enjoying those thoughts.
I understand, my intrusive thoughts felt so real one week that my past problems felt like nothing. I fasted and prayed for 2 days, turned to religion in desperation. I used to be a atheist but after those 2 days my thoughts practically went away or I was able to easily let it pass. I also wrote down all my thoughts and disproved it on paper, carried that letter on myself for a while. This isn’t for everyone but it might be helpful. You know yourself and you cannot be deceived, remind yourself of that whenever you start doubting yourself.
you gotta love that awkward tension In tue room when someone mentions something about a black person
And you understand the racist guy.
I think his thoughts about his mother’s impending death are probably thoughts many people in similar situations have, and sure, it’s not a pretty thought. But caring for someone who’s dying is seen as an extremely selfless, and sometimes close to heroic act. There’s a reason why people value it so much: it requires disregard for your own discomfort. An act is not selfless if it doesn’t require some sort of sacrifice. So the downsides of his situation are real, that’s exactly why his act is valued at all. So these thoughts don’t make him a bad person. Walking away from his mother and not doing “the right thing” might have made him a bad person (or at least not a particularly good one).
He was fishing for Joe to give a ‘dark story’ and even explained what he does and was doing... but joe never took the bait and played it brilliantly haha
You know if that’s true that’s crazy, that’s a level of manipulation most wouldn’t be able to comprehend. I usually catch this stuff but I’ll admit, I empathised with him and maybe he did fool me or maybe he was being honest. Who knows?
Wow! You are exactly right
Nah, he was just having a conversation and responding to Joe's enquiries you weirdo.
Very insightful of you to catch that
Here's a dark story. When I was 25 I volunteered at nursing home where my grandfather was a patient. Also when I was 25 l was a compulsive masturbator.
Finish the story.....
Guest:Oohhh yeeaaahh I mean murdered kids.
Joe: Yeah I mean I think you can just appreciate the loss of something valuable
"You just appreciate a good hard-on after child murder. Just makes you curious and daring."
As a black women I think it wasn’t at all racist that the father noticed how different the child’s life would be. In fact I thought it was amazing that both black and white people notice this difference and accept it. It’s the fact that he just didn’t like the idea of it or of black peppercorns in general. But noticing the difference is very real. Mixed kids have different experiences at least in the black community
12:08 freaky background noise
Wtf...
Ironically, you can only be an authentically good person if you choose to be good. And you don’t have a real choice until you are genuinely in touch in your dark side. No one is good or bad. We’re all both.
A.k.a. "Integration of One's Shadow" that was put forward by Psychologist, Carl Jung.
@@aleshyadarling5274 Exactly
This bit about his mother is pure honesty - it flashes through your head - like in Fight Club where he's so fed up he want's the plane to crash he's in in the most horrific way ....
16:10 0.25 speed, you're welcome.
Thank you
Thanks lol
Thanks man😂😂
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Everyone is a bad person at times and we are all villains in someone's story. Everyone is good at times and can be a hero in somebody's eyes.
John Wayne gacy was a bad guy. He was also the guy who protected his sister in school and made 1970s kids happy as a birthday party clown. He was a buddy to the guys at the shriners club. And a monster to the boys in his home.
People arent just one thing.
ASMR touch yes!
@Sam Maloney Do you have any proof of this?
@Sam Maloney you're a weapon mate 😂
@Sam Maloney So what you are saying is, you don't have proof? Lolol
I've met psychopaths. They don't eminate anything. They *emulate* everything.
@Sam Maloney
Just stop.
I wish I met Joe and really respect him as a comic and a person. We're the same age and I so much appreciate him and agree with him in so many ways.
honestly...he looks and talks like a serial killer
Vedran Matkov hahaha yea he’s strange poor guy
@@jamiewilson2550 i like him
We were all thinking it.
There are verying degrees of being bad or wicked. Whem my parents died i was telieved that those people who caused me so much pain as a child. I would mo longer have to try to love. Go figure. They were tho eff ns in my side.
how do you know what a serial killer is like
i pointed out a turtle in the road and the other car hit it anyway.
so. yeah. sigh
Michael Dooley sounds about right :/
Could be you thought the person saw it and understood what you were pointing out, maybe they didn't.
That feeling of relief that you will not have to take care of a terminally ill parent any longer is perfectly normal.
I feel when a person passes, they hopefully are not suffering any more.
Goes both ways, the relief is for the pain that person goes through being over and the fact that you have your freedom from taking care of this person. Not necessarily meant in a ill intended way. Seeing a parent suffering from an illness is something that nobody should have to go through but is a natural part of life, and feeling a sense of relief after that period of time ending isn’t selfish. Cause you don’t just feel it for yourself but for that parent or other family member as well.
Joes seductive head shine got my weak yo
6:04 He's thinking should i tell him about that rape and murder I committed in my early 20's. Nahhh... I already did the whole whisper thing. He should get it, I'm a bad person.
“I wanna go into a world where people don’t watch their language and vent the worst of themselves” I’d like to introduce you to reddit
“Who you are speaks so loudly
I can’t hear what you are saying”
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Character not personality
I don’t understand
One of the best podcast I’ve listened too in a minute
who is this hes talking too?
@@joshuawilliams7825 did you find out. Am surprised i haven't found his name in the comments section yet.
@@__umbra yes it’s chuck palanihuk
@@joshuawilliams7825 thanks
I’m a young adult, 23 years old. When I was younger I always used to follow my mom around the house, as I got older, I’ve always had a lot of respect for my mom. Even though she didn’t make a ton of money she always found ways for my family to have fun through vacations. I haven’t lost a lot of people in my life but I hear of the stories of people who’ve had and I’ve always wondered what it would be like to lose my mom, she is not only my provider but about 80% of my life. I would go insane without her, in fact, I would probably fall into deep depression and have suicidal thoughts if she was gone from my life. Going back to what they talk about in this podcast, much like the guy being interviewed, dementia and such run in the family line so I always wondered what my mom and dad would be like with dementia and I just can’t seem them like that in my head, I start to cry. It’s not the same person, especially Alzheimer’s, you’ve pretty much lost them at that point. It’s not them. You are seeing them in a very weak state and nothing hurts you more than seeing them like that. I don’t know why I do this to myself but I am a very imaginative guy that thinks a lot of “what if’s” or thinks ahead. I wouldn’t say it makes anyone a bad person to think of any positives on a death especially when your the caregiver but to me, it would just throw my whole life off balance to even see them like that, especially to lose them.
These what-ifs are normal and necessary. Its your brain preparing you for the worst scenario. And also being depressed and suicidal after a parent's death isn't something to be proud of, and your parents don't want you to be in that state either. So you better start getting comfortable with this inevitable future. God bless you and yours.
What makes someone bad? The moment the bad person starts actually enjoying other people suffering, in any way. Moms do it. Dads do it. Priests do it. Polliticians make a business out of doing it.
Joe, what a compassionate and enlightened thing to say! "I don't thing think that makes you a bad person. I think that makes you a person who's honest about thoughts that are very uncomfortable." WOW! Really amazing.
I had no idea who this was until he said, "carrot story" and I instantly thought, "Chuck Pahlaniuk... is that you!?"
Killing someone from no reason is bad.
I have been living with my mom while she has fought cancer on and off for 5 years. I get it. But she's not going anywhere. And that's awesome. We are all bad people. It is no measure of Health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick Society.
Profound right there
Bad people are just miserable. Something happened in their lives that hurt them.
Loved their conversation, I need a friend to have conversations like this 😄
Man. I’ve been reading Palahniuk for years but never seen or heard him speak off the page before, truly an insightful and painfully truthful individual, dude seems as real as they get. One of my fav guests you’ve ever had on your show 🤘🏻
What makes someone a bad person in my book is if you purposefully try to hurt people for whatever reason without showing remorse and never apologize, hurting people could mean physical but also mentally like talking bad about people for maybe your own good and thinking that it is right..