Analysis Comp #13 | Merge in Turn then Learner Road Rage
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- In this episode we see some learner abuse after a merge in turn situation, and too many people don't react to brake lights.
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3:00 I probably wouldn't have avoided this one. In situations like this (usually when my lane is moving on a busy motorway) i'm always on the lookout for a late indicator and a car diving into my lane, but this would have caught me out 100%
People need to learn to react faster, if you see brake lights then you should automatically slow down, not react by swerving at the last second, swerving is a dangerous manoeuvre at its best.
@@cougar02000 i don’t know I’m always super wary of when moving past cars in slowing traffic whichever lane, i think i would have matched black cars speed and stayed behind him until they came to a stop. Before then making my way slowly past the stopped cars.
Right, one would also have to take the time to look in the mirror to judge how much braking would be possible without getting rear ended. It's easier when we've seen the video and we know not just that something is going to happen, but what is going to happen. In real world conditions, this would catch most people out.
@S Listen again..."He stopped right in front of me and I didn't see you. My bad".
I wouldn’t have avoided this crash. Would have assumed the black car would brake.
When I was learning I had a bad incident of learner abuse that affected me really badly. Apparently I didn't accelerate fast enough coming off a roundabout as the Audi behind me shot up to my bumper and was sitting on their horn and swerving back and forth. This made me panic and slow down which only made them more enraged. When we stopped at the queuing traffic before the next roundabout they pulled up next to me and screamed abuse at me and my instructor for not getting up to the speed limit fast enough. When I got home I had a full blown panic attack for a few hours. It's so stressful when you are learning to drive for the first time, people acting like this can have massive impact on you.
When you're learning, you also tend to be a bit younger and less confident in yourself as well. In my teens and early twenties, that would have had a huge effect on me. Now in my 30s I know I'd have just ignored the idiot.
It’s just this me me me! Attitude, they don’t care about the effect it has on you!
I'm not a learner but I had a similar experience very recently. I was accelerating away from a set of traffic lights up to around 30-32mph in a 40 limit (it was a dual carriageway, so driving under the limit shouldn't have been an issue) and a BMW driver, who apparently hadn't noticed the completely empty lane to his right, started blaring the horn while sitting a couple of inches away from my rear bumper. They eventually figured out what the purpose of the overtaking lane was and sped past me, blaring the horn (admittedly I beeped back out of frustration, which I shouldn't have done as it could have enraged them even more). I was pretty shaken up after the incident, and I've been driving for a year now, so I can't even imagine how much of an effect it would have had on a learner driver
jfc what a jackass that driver was! that would’ve given me some serious driving anxiety
Not all, but some drivers of certain makes of vehicles think that they own the road just because they're in a big, powerful upmarket brand of car. Mind you, they should be ashamed of themselves abusing someone who hasn't even passed their driving test yet.
Ashley, the dash of the motorbike is from a Keeway Superlight 125 (I've previously owned one) and the outside numbers are actually KM/H, not MPH so they're only going around 37mph
Yea I could tell from the video he wasn't doing 70 and noticed the speedo says kph too. I actually only came to see if he was still hating on motorcycles.
So that Speedo only goes up to 90 mph? 140kph? Seems unlikely.
@@normiedeathsquad40 for a 125 that’s perfectly normal. They’ll be limited to 58mph so will get nowhere near the 90mph indicated
@FJS It shouldn’t. They’re supposed to be restricted to a certain BHP, unless you have a full license then you can do as you please. If you have a CBT you’re limited
Out of curiosity what bike is it?
@FJS There is a legal limit to the speed they can do, from the DVLA website “You can ride a 125cc motorcycle with a maximum speed of 60mph” they’re limited on BHP and speed not just BHP. Your bike is either older or has been adjusted as it shouldn’t have that speed. As it’s illegal. If caught going faster you’ll probably have it impounded (if the police can be bothered)
2:48 honestly no way I'd have fixed that in time, that one was painful to watch as the cammer's car got jostled into the pole.
Agreed, hard one, but it does show how you can look out for similar situation and anticipate them.
Easy for Ashley to sit there and judge but at the time there was very little to suggest that would happen. We cant all drive around anticipating for idiots in other lanes.
I constantly drive around anticipating idiots in other lanes. But, even that said, can't be sure I'd have avoided this one.
@@davidshowto Same here, considering how many people brake harshly too!
come on Ashley. your comments are harsh
On the learn one wow. And I hope his friends see it and mock him as Mr Angry pants for years and years.
You wonder who's the learner
Bold to assume he has friends.
I’d be angry if i was a grown man driving a corsa
He’s just a pure charver. Look at his body language.
@@StefanVeenstraLOL
I think 3:00 is a lot easier to judge when you can anticipate something is going to happen. In actuality whilst driving, it’s difficult to avoid instances like this because you aren’t necessarily watching every single car in the lane next to you to see if they brake. People really need to learn not to swerve.
It really annoys me the amount of people in the other channels who say they could have easily avoided it by swerving. Sure then you cause another accident just like this one
agree. Traffic in that lane isn't moving fast and distances are reasonable to be able to stop so no obvious hazard. And the dash cam will be forward of the driver's position. Its possible they're alongside and not able to see the brake lights by the time the car that hits them should have braked. Further, given the space in front of the cam car I don't think it is necessarily safe to suddenly brake 'in case' the other car doesn't as that risks someone behind going into you when your lane appears absolutely clear. I don't think there is anything reasonable the cam car could have done and I don't think many of us would have avoided it either
The only point in my opinion is that he should have slowed down for sure. Regardless if he saw the car on the right not slowing down. I have seen more than enough cars just jumping out of a queue without looking that reducing the speed is always the best option. Especially if you going to have to stop anyways. I think that might have avoided this accident as well, but just by chance. I think even with slowing down most of the time this type of accident would still have happened.
@@ronrolfsen3977 I pay extreme attention to the vehicles position in relation to the line and the angle of the front wheels on approach and as I'm passing.
Poor from the driver who changed lanes and of course they are unquestionably to blame for the accident. However, if you are to the left (or to the right) of a queue of stationary or slowing traffic on a fast road, expect some idiot to move out suddenly into your lane. To be honest I pass this type of traffic as if each vehicle is a bomb about to explode.Slow as much as is feasible in the situation and be prepared to brake or escape as the circumstances allow.
Overall, though, I tend to agree that it would be harsh to criticise the cammer. This situation unfolded very quickly. Let the opprobrium be directed where it should be - at the unplanned, instinctive and dangerous lane change.
4:12
Thanks for sharing my clip Ashley!
Your explanation of how we should all approach these situations is spot on and is something I do all of the time now.
I have learned from what was thankfully a very minor incident.
to be fair the angle at which you're forced to approach the roundabout does make it pretty awkward to look both in front and to the side. If you face a roundabout head on you can keep and eye on both the roundabout and the car in front a lot easier. Hope you can avoid any future accidents
The red car pulled out cos they were fixated on the cyclists, then shat themselves when the lorry was there, glad the absolute cluster f**k of death and destruction didn't happen.
So they 'bricked it', to coin a cockney parlance...
@@artmallory970 Haven't heard that in a while!
Clip 3, I honestly don’t see how anyone could be expected to account for such an unusual incident in real time
Certainly it's not something that *should* happen, but there are some useful red flags (apart from the brake lights ahead). Queues are hazards in themselves because people like to leave them without warning or care. Also consider the blindspots of those ahead. Holding back for a few seconds rather than pulling alongside would have been sensible here IMO.
The one at 3:10 ish. That's harsh, to say that the viewer could have anticipated that. Yes, the cammer could have noticed that the driver in the right lane had braked, but that hardly means they could have predicted the sudden veering into the left hand lane. If you slowed down or stopped for every driver who did smooth like that, you'd make no progress on the road at all.
03:38 - It's easy to watch a video and say 'you should have seen this or should have done that' but in that situation when the car doesn't slow down the logical think to expect them to do is pull an emergency stop and not swerve out.
0:42 If you're small enough to get from the driver's seat, over the passenger seat and out the passengers door that quickly, in a Corsa... You probably shouldn't start random fights. Little man syndrome.
Clearly his BMW was in the garage getting the heated seats software upgrade and he was already angry cos they gave him a Corsa to panzy around in. 🤷🤪👍
I was impressed. I certainly couldn't 'exit from the passenger side' if my car broke down on the motorway - at least not without a great deal of huffing and puffing.
@@PedroConejo1939 sorry, don't know what you look like , but that made me laugh 😆 more so because I would be the same !
Many years ago I was waiting to pull onto a roundabout and a motorbike ran into my rear. I got out, and the guy was writhing on the ground in agony. This was in the days before mobile phones, so I was wondering how I could call an ambulance for him, but through the pain he said he was OK. After a while he recovered, we pulled his bike and my car out of the way to clear the road and assess the damage and swap details. Both car and bike were usable.
He admitted he was looking right and assumed I'd pulled away. I stayed with him for about 15 minutes until he was ready to ride off, and I phoned him a few days later to see how he was. He was fine, but very badly bruised. Nice chap, but a moment's lack of concentration could have ended very badly.
3:00 I don't think I would have been able to avoid this, situations like that are easier to think afterwards watching them back but tough when driving, something to now watch out for when coming up to a line of traffic in one lane when yours is clear.
1:40 The biker clip seems to be sped up? Also the speedo is in km/h so he went from about 37mph to 43mph on the overtake, but it looks like he's going way faster
3:43 honestly, as a brilliant driver myself (IMHO, lol), I don't think I would have stopped this happening. Saying that, I am always extremely cautious when undertaking because it can be very risky even when it's legal as in this situation. hmmm
Just by saying you're a brilliant driver in your opinion. We all know you aren't. Far too much confidence. Good driving standards require patience, humility and understanding your limits.
@@skeptical1705 Read @brant nuttall comment again…… you’ve missed the sarcasm in his post.
@@skeptical1705 don’t think he’s being serious pal 😅
@@skeptical1705 "We all know" No we don't. That particular situation is beyond just driving safe, and like many said it's really difficult to predict. You kinda suffer from hindsight is 20/20 I think.
@@skeptical1705 The road is within walking distance of my house so I know it well (Secklow Gate, Milton Keynes). Most traffic turns left or right at the roundabout ahead because ahead leads into a housing estate, although that should have no effect on observation. All of those cars have just left a light-controlled crossroad. A queue does not suddenly build up there so there is no excuse for the car on the right to be surprised by the queue of cars ahead. There is also a busy exit on the left from a public car park. It did not look like anything was about to appear but many seem to forget to put on their headlights where there are street lamps so it still needed to be checked.
The car on the right made an unexpected move & I completely understand why the cammer would not have expected it, but the video is published to try & make people aware of warning signs which we may not otherwise be aware of.
I think it's 50/50 whether I'd have anticipated that 3:00 one. I generally try to drive in a staggered position on dual lanes like this, just as the cam car did - it makes sure you're not sitting in a blind spot and gives space and time to react to anything in the other lane. I did spot that the other driver wasn't braking, so maybe I'd have eased off a little more. However, that's with the heightened awareness that comes when you know that something is going to happen, so maybe that's wishful thinking on my part. Certainly by the time the cam car had committed to passing, there was nothing he could have done.
Regarding the 3 cyclists and the red car clip, the issue may be that many drivers make the mistake of underestimating the speed of cycles and expect the cyclist to be still in the same position when completing their manoeuvre as when the driver started. I notice this as a cyclist when cars overtake me and pull back in when they think they have passed me; however, by that time, I'm 30m further down the road, and the car is still partially alongside me.
And it's much worse when they start to indicate that they're going to turn left...
I just hammer on the brakes and wait for them to stop (which they usually do) and leave them to figure out what they're going to do next. It always takes them long than if they had just stayed behind
@D2M5 There's a left turn that I sometimes do at a crossroads, if there's no traffic around, I'll just turn right, however if it's busy, I'll turn left, pull over, do a U turn and ride straight across; it takes more time but much safer. Sometimes I'll get of my bike and run it across a busy road.
I think if the red car hadn't pulled out the cyclists would have probably tried to beat the truck, the red car probably saved them in this situation
@@michaellewis5934 Yeah truck was probably not breaking speed limit but failing to take into account it takes a lot longer to stop.
@@michaellewis5934 If the red car had collided with the truck it would have been game over for both the red car, it's driver and the cyclists!
I've definitely had a near-miss at a roundabout emerge. What saved me was the wise words from my Dad when I was learning, who told me to never assume that the person in front at the roundabout would pull out if it was clear. Lo and behold, aged 18, I did a double-check and was about 5cm from a crash. Learnt from that experience too!
Just keep your eye pinned on the car in front till it's gone.
Hi Ashley, at @5:00 I got rear ended at the East lancs/M57 roundabout, except the driver behind was going quite fast and hadn't slowed at all. This was the day after I got my first car. Took me months to deal with this psychologically, constantly thinking I had done something wrong etc!
Bad one. I hope you got full compensation for your loss.
For the one at 4:32 I recently qualified and my instructor banged on about how vital it is to wait until you are the one at the front of a roundabout to decide whether you can set off or not. Apparently he's been on the receiving end of it several times and it's scary given how if you are at the front of the queue how being potentially bumped into the roundabout when it's not safe could result in an even worse accident
If it's happened to your instructor so much, maybe he is too cautious!
You only get a bump when the driver in front decides it's unsafe and the driver behind decides it's safe. Or when both decide it's safe, but the one in front takes of slower.
I.e. it would (usually) only happen in situations that at least seem safe.
I had one of these within my first 12 months of driving, at the M1 J26 slip road, going south.
Chap in a Rover SD1 just decided I had gone and accelerated straight into back of my dad's Simca Van, which made the Rover bonnet go like an egg, and badly bent the van. and pushed it forward quite some way.
I honestly think I haven't done an "assume the other car is not there"; though I have done a poor estimate of the width of a Fiat Multipla I was driving when pulling out from a parking space. Offset collision with a Saab. Ouch.
Further reflection, I think that one may have been avoided by collision radar and an emergency stop by the car. I think the system in my car would have been effective at that speed.
How common is this system now?
No excuse for the dozy driving of course by the driver at fault.
@peterthompson9854 Maybe it’s the learner drivers in the driving instructor’s car that are understandably hesitant when learning new skills.
Last clip, I don’t think the builders old Fiesta had ABS, so the late reaction and late braking becomes just a skid when they stamp on the brake.
I really don't think many people could have stopped the collision at 2:50. In hindsight, there may be some small signs of them about to swerve, but if you drove around as if everybody was going to swerve into your lane for no reason, you wouldn't be able to drive at all!
5:25 was shocking. That lorry could easily have ploughed that car right into those cycles. Thanks to whoever sent that in and Ash for showing it.
2:50 I usually pay attention to the cars just ahead of me, mostly anticipating the lack of a shoulder check. Don't think I'd have prevented this from happening though. 4:15, unfortunately I've been on the giving end for that exact reason. Looked right and assumed the vehicle in front of me was already gone. Luckily it was just a "tap" with no visible damage and and after inspecting the cars, we agreed on going about our days. Haven't done that mistake again.
3:23, i have to be honest, it caught me by surprise and i'm not sure if i'd have stoppoed it from happening
The turning the cyclists are making is a horrible one, but one I've done many times as both a cyclist and a motorist. That road is the A44 just before it gets to Evesham and people get a bit impatient having just spent 30 minutes trapped behind a tractor in the Cotswolds! I'm always very wary of cyclists coming out of the side road as there's a very steep hill leading to it and they're usually knackered by the time they get to the junction.
Sorry, but very unlikely anyone is able to prevent collision here at 3:00.
Crash at 3:35..... Wow, way too harsh Ashley. Your viewer had about a second from when the swerving car was likely to start braking given the rate it was gaining on the car in front was so slow. Your viewer was not moving past with excessive speed, they were being very cautious and moving past carefully with exactly the right amount of consideration for any following traffic from behind. The only way to avoid this would have been lightening quick reactions, so no blame of any sort do I attribute to your viewer.
No! Did you not see Ashley's analysis. There were loads of clues quite a while before the collision that traffic was bunched far too close and the lack of breaking by car beside.
@@johncranna I feel if I was driving the black car, at that slow speed, and gaining at that slow rate, I’d have been slowing using accelerator sense and only touched the brake about a second to come to a stop. This is why I feel the viewer only had a second or so window to pick up that the black car was not going to stop. I listened to Ashley’s comments very closely but sometimes disagree with his assessment. Reading through other comments on this incident, most seem to disagree with him too.
Just a comment, at 1:55 it appears the speedometer is in KMH and not MPH.
Great action reviews, although I think the motorcycle’s speedometer is in kmh, so I don’t think he went over over… maybe slightly for the overtake but not the initial switching lanes, and he signalled both times
Good spot! I missed it!!
Especially when another car overtook looking like 120. I am a biker and ride like this sometimes accidentally knocking the button that changes mph to kph I would of throttled off only difference.that bloody Ashley Neal has changed me on the road 😂
@@ashley_neal Nope, I think it's mph. Compare the length of the road markings to car lengths - long enough that they're 9 metres between dashes. On the approach the bike covers 1 dash in exactly 10 frames (1/3 second) giving 27 metres per second, which is 98 kph, or 61 mph. I'm a bit surprised because it _is_ a 40 limit there (it's local for me) and although there's a lot of speeding there it's rare for the traffic to be that fast _en masse_, 50 mph is more the normal order of the day.
@@ianmason. It's 100% kmh. If you look closely at 1:58 it says km/h. The slash gives it away.
The clip with the 3 cyclists and the red car was scary and you’re correct could have been a disaster. The red car’s positioning was very poor and could have been a big contributing factor to the emerge. They were about 1m from the Give Way line, and this would seriously restrict their zone of vision to the right due to the bend, if they’d have been ‘at’ Give Way line, they would have probably seen the HGV (assuming they were looking). The still photo shows the front of the HGV just appearing from around he bend, line of sight of the red car they wouldn’t.
That first guy… what is the point.
Typical hard man in his Corsa out to take on the world
@@RazorSharpRust
Always amazes me how many Corsas want to race. Little car syndrome a thing?
6:20 - I warrant the driver of the red car saw the long line of traffic behind the cyclists and decided "Don't wanna have to wait for all of them, I'm off!!
Not excusing them at all. Just offering a suggestion as to why they did that. It's a busy road, plenty cars coming the other way, so likely no chance to overtake for some time and the cyclists aren't in any hurry. = Probably a long line of traffic behind them.
The one at 2:47 would probably be extremely difficult to avoid
I'm paying extra attention to spot potential hazards (because it's in Ash's video), and that was a surprise to me
Imagine getting that video on ur theory test lol
I could see the warning signs, perhaps because I feel the need to have to being that I am usually on a bicycle but I have my doubts as to whether it would have helped here. I still massively underestimated the threat as I was thinking inattentive lane change or something so I'd likely have eased up a little and checked the road surface looked good to move in safely if needed to dodge the encroaching car. I'd not have been planning for them to basically turn so aggressively as to pretty much manage to force even me on a bike to end up T-Boning them from an adjacent parallel lane with no upcoming junction or anywhere to go in that direction. As such I must admit I'd probably have found myself taking an involuntary ride on their bonnet as there really was not time to correct for that mistake by the time I realised they were going to try and go full on kamikaze towards the wall for no obvious reason.
#1 As a motorcyclist it's hard to believe you wouldn't know acceleration can get you into as much trouble as get you out of it.
in the cammers defence the speedometers in kph so hes only going about 40mph
1:55, if you look closely I belive that his speedo is in kph rather than mph, so he'd be doing 60kph, not 60mph
My driving instructor taught me a very good lesson: when you are about to enter a roundabout, you always look forward and only farward until there are no cars in front of you. THEN you look right (or left depending on country) and enter the roundabout safely. If you do this, you will never hit a vehicle in front of you because there is nothing to hit.
I wasn't specifically taught that by my driving instructor, but always knew it instinctively - there's no point in focusing on what's oncoming from the roundabout more than what's in front until you're the one in front. Meanwhile, glancing and assessing the oncoming roundabout traffic, at a lower "priority" in your mind, whilst you're waiting to be at the front of the line, is also good; it's information you can use to predict when the car(s) in front might be able to move out whilst you're waiting behind them.
I don't agree with that. I prefer a broad view of the situation, and like to look ahead for gaps. Also, if you've got tunnel vision on the car in front you are risk missing other hazards.
@@goodyeoman4534 incorrect, I never tunnel vision. The point is you will never enter the roundabout while there is someone in front of you. And when that car leaves, you can start checking the roundabout. It works flawlessly.
Unless the clown then stops on the roundabout because they just noticed their exit is closed
@@pirminis looking forward and only forward is kind of the definition of tunnel vision. while your instructor was correct that you need to pay attention to not bumping the car in front, you also need to have an awareness of what is happening on the roundabout, even if you are not specifically choosing your gap until the car in front of you has emerged. bottom line, you should NEVER be focused only in one direction.
That first bloke is why footpaths near his gaff have ditches on both sides, so he can swing his arms when he goes for a walk. I think I'd have sent that clip plodwards. Totally unacceptable behaviour in any circumstances.
5:03 - I agree that some drivers see learners and cyclists as a chance to get ahead but the motivation is often that they view them as slow and this gives birth to the thought, 'I'll be here all bloody day if I wait for them'. The Citroën driver did what so many do (and this has been highlighted in another video): they sat too far back from the give way lines and lost a significant portion of their view to the right. At any rate, it was a dreadful emerge.
Reminds me of the old joke about the sign on the doorstep of the BNP headquarter's office: "Please mind your knuckles". That clip indeed should have gone police-wards, I'd be very surprised if that wouldn't have rightly earned a conviction for road rage and a stiffish penalty.
1:55 - Ash, I don't think they're doing 60mph. You can see at the bottom of the speedo that it's reading km/h. They're doing about 37 at this point, it seems.
i have the same kind of bike and its in kph
I am amazed how calm the guy in the third clip was. I really think I'd have caught a case.
Think he was shocked rather than calm. Listen to his replies to the other driver's "Are you OK?" question, twice he replies "I don't know.".
@@ianmason. Good point, well made.
@@ianmason. from what I've heard, "I don't know" is the correct response in such a situation... avoiding some smartass lawyer using your automatic "yes I'm fine" as evidence against a later personal injury claim. Thus seemed to me more like a calm response from someone who had heard similar, especially being aware that his words would be recorded...
@@stevel875 I don't think so. (1) If he's faking for the camera he's a bloody good actor, he sounds shocked and dazed to me. (2) The courts aren't as stupid as some people like to think, common sense does prevail and the court is highly likely to accept that someone's utterance of "I'm OK" immediately after an accident is just an automatic response and has as much evidential value as a chocolate teapot. Judges aren't idiots, neither are jurors.
@@ianmason. I wasn't suggesting he was faking it for the camera, merely pausing to remember not to automatically say "I think I'm fine". The eventual outcome in court isn't the issue, but the other guy and/or their insurance company might make a legitimate claim more hassle than it needs to be before it gets to court "because he said he was fine when I asked" etc.
This video was just perfect. A very good remainder that when you drive you have to be with your brain ON, not on auto, to avoid making mistakes and be ready to fix other's people mistakes. Thanks for sharing it!
The incident at 2:50 is very hard to anticipate, although there were clues that something was going to happen, but as there is so much going on as is often the case when out driving it's sometimes hard to anticipate every scenario, and a swerve is the last thing people expect a vehicle to do,
3:00 is harsh because how often are you driving whilst looking purely for other peoples errors whilst anticipating what’s right in front of you. VERY few would be that alert especially me. Horrible lane change though, would always end like that
That was no lane change that was a knee jerk panic reaction of an inattentive driver noticing far too late that they had allowed their car to get ahead of their brain into a situation where stopping in time was no longer an option. As a cyclist I might have not ended up riding the bonnet in this situation if it was simply a bad lane change as I could have slowed and moved in to the side to avoid. Not so much when this car literally throws the wheel violently hard left trying to avoid the car in front. Had they not been hit that car was on a path to run at 90 degrees directly into the wall beside the road they have yanked the wheel over that aggressively, that is not how cars steer for a lane change where they just input a little steering and glide over at a shallow angle, this was exit lane left in a full on panic.
3:38 Hindsight is a wonderful thing though.
Had one rear-ender on a roundabout and one near miss. The hit was while teaching my son to drive; we exchanged details and I pointed out that the L-plates should have prompted him to expect a start & stall. The near miss was followed by the driver going ballistic, presumably because of my failure to move. Fortunately she stayed behind the wheel (which got a proper thumping) and from my perspective, happy that she had payed at least some attention, it was just hilarious.😂
He is in a public space, so privacy don't mean anything, stand up for your rights Neal
I think it becomes a privacy issue once it's published on TH-cam, or wherever.
There's the law and there's ethics. As the channel grows the consequences to an individual can be severe and grossly outweigh the acts in these videos. If it's intended to be educational rather than punitive it's worth considering bluring identifying details. These videos are a slice of time and an incomplete story. Perhaps he was upset about the poorly secured kayak.
I had a terrifying moment at a roundabout recently where I was waiting for a gap to go and then all of a sudden I hear a noise behind me... a lorry that clearly wasn't paying attention was making a desperate lunge for the brakes and (thankfully) stopped just in time. Would I have seen incident #3 happening? In all honesty, before this clip was shown, probably not. As always - very educational, Ashley!
Confession time for me, but it was many years ago! I was waiting to turn right (onto a duel carriageway), behind a car but with good vision of the road to the left. Saw a gap I expected the car in front to take and moved forward while looking left, and just braked in time to avoid rear-ending them. They creeped forward to re-establish the gap. This happen again. This happened three times so the car in front was partially in the righthand carriageway. No contact ever made because the driver in front was very aware what was happening with me behind, I could have rammed them 3 times! I thanked them inwardly for keeping me dent-free.
I honestly think I would never have anticipated this. But I'd like to think, having seen this clip, I'll avoid this in future in case this ever happens to me.
@@andyb8015 If I had a pound for every time I've ALMOST rear-ended a driver that didn't go when they had a clear opportunity, I'd be a rich man.
@@silasfatchett7380 I just realised i was replying to the wrong comment. I was referring to the clip at 2:47
@@silasfatchett7380 tbf that should be telling you a little about how your driving could improve
I would have assumed the red car saw the assumed queue of cars behind the cyclists and took the opportunity in a rush knowing they'd have to wait a while for a gap. No excuses for their actions though.
Regarding the three cyclists clip: the red car pulled out because of basic driving error #1 - impatience. They didn't want to be delayed by the cyclists going through the junction, so they took a chance and went when it wasn't safe.
It's not just cyclists and learners who get this. I've seen the same thing in the past when towing a caravan. Other vehicles see you as a potential delay, and can be so determined not to get behind you that they rush to get ahead, risking their own life and the lives of others to save a few seconds. It's pathetic.
I was at the receiving end years ago and got rear ended at a roundabout just before I attempted to emerge onto it. The 2 women in the offending car said it was my fault for going too slow !
5:45 Lorries as well. I think it comes from a very basic misunderstanding of physics. Things that accelerate slowly feel slow, but in reality they can travel just as fast. Then you get caught out by the fact they also decelerate slowly…
Just to comment on 1:56 - That's speedometers looks to be in km/h, not mph. 60 km/h is ~37, mph which would be the correct speed for that road if it's a 40mph.
I agree on the technical points you make but some of it seems like victim blaming. E.g. 2:48, even having been educated on the technical points would I avoid a crash in these circumstances? Probably not.
With the last clip I would always advise (if possible) for bikers to slide to the side of vehicles so they can escape down the side of the vehicle in front in that situation. I know it may not be possible in all situations and with the wet road would be risky to do under braking as you might lose traction but a thought worth keeping in mind if riding (push bike and motorbike). If the car behind was travelling quicker you would be squashed but if to the side you would be punted forward. Still bad but being squashed would be worse.
Thanks for the awesome analysis as always. I have noticed I do drive with much more care after watching your videos now. I didn't drive stupid before but there is still much I need to learn. Like any skill I am trying to learn more to make me better all the time. I can even find myself pointing out things you would in a video in real life as I am driving (when alone) as I am spotting so much more before it happens (and tbh this must be what seeing the future is like)
Privacy complaint? From someone sounding off in public and almost certainly committing a Section 5 public order offence? If there is a privacy complaint the response should be two words rhyming with "cough" and a referral to the police.
Well I think the main point with the first clip is that hair-trigger horn use for 'chastisement' is a really bad idea when there are so many crazies on the road. This has nothing to do with learner nerves- it is a habit learned culturally via family and friends, and needs to be stopped asap.
I nearly got caught out by looking right, the road was clear for the person to go, but he stopped again for some reason and i braked just in time. I honestly couldn't believe he was still there. I thought he was trying an insurance scam but you never really know. I am always looking to the front more frequently since then.
Clip at 4:34 My brother-in-law was following me to a adventure playground in North Wales, I was waiting to emerge from a side street, he couldn't see the cars coming down the hill due to parked cars to the right, he went straight into the back of me, and then claimed it was my fault. I did have dashcam but only front facing, which clearly showed my car jerking forwards as a car passed in front of me, proving I was in the right to have stayed-put! My BIL still thinks it was my fault though... He's a chronic weed smoker, so I said I'd be happy for the police to get involved if he was adamant.
The one with the terrible emerge from the right by the little red car,as an hgv driver and also in my van,its the same mentality i see that's all over the roads these days.if ANYTHING can potentially slow them down,even if its only for a second, they MUST get infront,at any cost!its an extremely dangerous attitude to have and will catch them out eventually 👎
I think on that cycling clip, it was an almost impossible junction to pull out of and turn right, there's very little visibility from the car driver's viewpoint - but that still dosen't make it ok to pull out of traffic that you CAN see.
I think a lot of car drivers see a cyclist and make an assumption about their speed without cheeking.
Imagine if that c1 stalled infront of that lorry trying to hurry out of that junction...
1:54 looking at the bikes speedo (at the bottom) it does say Km/h....
60km/h = 37mph
70Km/h - 43mph
The learner was quite slow taking off at each point, which is to be expected and unfortunate. But the truly sad part is rather than truly merge in turn every single car took advantage of this learners lack of manoeuvre ability to barge in front. Having seen how hard it was for them to get going again they needed to try and keep flowing but this terrible man instead decided he was too good to behind a learner and responded with rage and aggression. Shame on him
Agree- disgusting behaviour, aggressive & selfish!
Quite surprised to see somewhere I know here! 4:14 is on the Motorway roundabout just south of Middlebrook stadium.
In the second clip, the black driver just indicating and pulling out shows that he didn't even look in his mirrors otherwise he would have waited for the motorbike to pass then if clear should have pulled out
The third clip, the black car is totally at fault for not paying attention and just pulling into lane one, I know you are not expecting people to undertake you but you should still be aware of your surroundings, I understand that the clues are there but not everyone is that observant
As for the first clip, that should have been reported to the police. No need for it full stop
Motorcyclist's speedo is in KM/H so is reading about 56, which is just over 30 MPH I think
When somebody gets out of the car to do a road rage to me " like this first clip
I wind my window down after locking my door ,
2 inches , and say to them would you have done this if it was a police car and they always scully back to the vehicle and drive off calling me a dick-head as they leave lol 😂🤣
For the crash at 3:51 I think it’s unreasonable to ask people to anticipate this. If you drive as if every driver could potentially do this then you’ll be driving very poorly and erratically which will cause more accidents overall
I did hit someone at roundabout we’ll only a nudge to be honest, last was very kind and was more concerned as I had kids in car . Fortunately no damage as we just bumped gently, but definitely a lesson learned.
6:25 When I first watched this I was focusing so much on the pedestrians that the moment I looked ahead the cammer started braking... maybe they had a similar issue with locking on
4:25: I always concentrate on the vehicle in front until they are at least 2 car lengths off into the roundabout. Only then will I concentrate to the right. But while I wait for the vehicle in front to go, I keep the right in my peripheral vision and while stationary, take a proper look to the right, so I have a basic idea of what's going on. But I do not move until the vehicle in front is at least 2 car lengths clear into the roundabout. This little rule has served me well.
03:38 no, I'd've let it happen and claimed every penny I could 🤣
The motorbike doing nearly 70 - yeah nearly 70 KPH not MPH 👍🏻
I believe since covid the standard of drivers as dropped to dangerous levels awareness for other road users is zero and just as you think you’ve seen it all , something always happens and only being aware and alert accidents are avoided
3:00 honestly I there is very few that could seen that in 4 seconds. Its easy to say in a video analysis that 4 seconds is plenty of time to see that but in real life, with traffic and dark I don't think there is many that could avoid that
I never know why anyone risks lives for the sake of a few seconds - and it really is almost every time just a few seconds.
A lot of the time they gain nothing, I've lost count of the close, dangerous overtakes I've had coming up to a red light, only for me to then filter right past them to the front 2 seconds later.
3:00 unless you have been looking in ur crystal ball that morning i dont think all too many people would have been able to avoid that crash.
The first clip with the road works ahead. Not defending the terrible behavior of the silver Corsa driver against the poor learner in any way but I'm a bit confused here. What was the reason for the learner to be completely stationary in the first place? It's as though they were initially parked up in the left hand lane of the dual carriageway. I'm I missing something with regards to the situation here? Either way, totally agree with Ash re would the Corsa driver had done that to a police car as well as that old chestnut of using all the road space and then merging in turn. Indeed, when will people learn!
on the last one, there was a hatched area to the right of the vehicle in front. i would have gone around it and filtered as i know rear enders are a possibility after a sudden stop
02:00 you're quite right, it is A12 and that stretch is a 40 mph limit
The hard man in the first clip will do this one day to the wrong person. Hope he doesn't have to wait long 🤞🤣
3:00 I've learnt to NEVER sit just off of some ones bumper on a multi lane road. I try and always give my self and other road users and escape route.
The scary thing is, I see so many people happily sit beside HGVs.
4:25 I don't even really bother looking right at roundabouts until I'm first in the queue. I'm paying much more attention to any cars in front of me.
The 2nd clip at around 1:42. Yes, totally agree that whenever you are approaching a motorway /dual carriageway junction ahead with a lane drop, fully expect other vehicles to want "out" of the lane that's dropping. I'd take that a step further and watch out for vehicles who you've seen select the lane drop to change their minds and want to come back out to the main carriageway after all. For that very reason and depending on the situation, I may actually select Lane 2 of the main carriageway even though Lane 1 of the main carriageway is empty, in case any of the vehicles bunched up in the lane drop decides they want to come out. This may get me labeled as a lane hog temporarily but I'd rather that than have incident.
Also, not doing 70mph in a 40 limit would be a good start
@@dopiaza2006 Reading a few other posts, I believe the motorcyclists speedometer was in Kph rather than mph.
Yes, at 1:56, looks like the speedo is in km/hr.
@@ibs5080 you could be right - but at the start of the video it's showing 50km/h but it looks a lot faster than the 30mph that would be. odd.
That's local to me. The junctions are quite close together on that stretch and the advance warnings of a lane drop are consequently not as good as they might be (on that bit it adds, and then drops a lane again in only about 400 yards). It's a stretch where it's best to assume that everybody else is in the wrong lane for where they want to be and act accordingly. All in all the A12 is a horrible road and best avoided if you can.
I would say the 3rd clip is pretty unavoidable without knowledge that it was going to happen. Only 4 seconds before the car in front breaking and the collision, sometimes people take a second or two before reacting to brake lights and you would have to be watching them for a few seconds to realise that they haven't reacted to the brake lights and aren't slowing down plus that it can be very easy to ignore what's happening in lane 2 and be focused on what's happening in your own lane and the junction ahead.
The swerve was pretty unexpected too but if you somehow noticed that they aren't playing attention, you would have hung back.
*braking
3:00 no don't think I would have seen that coming tbh, wtf were they thinking
The first clip made my gears grind. It is not the learner's fault. The other person should've made it clear that a merging was crossing his mind. Taking the space the learner had before the vehicle for granted, he made a dumb choice of exposing his inability to drive safe. Just so he could blast it on the learner. Maybe the learner was a bit timid or overly defensive, but judging from the clip; should he/she be?
I face this overseas daily, where I am held accountable for the inability (again) of others. To a certain degree (to avoid accidents and mitigate risks as much as I am able) I am, but making the decision of others is not my task. Quit it. This behaviour is lethal and is childish AF.
Im pretty sure the speedo on the motorcycle is in km/h. 70 is 43mph
Good spot! I missed it!!
I must admit I have had a couple of near misses in the past, approaching a roundabout with someone already waiting. Now, because of those incidents, I wait until the car in front has pulled out before looking and committing myself. It only takes a few seconds.
2:48 chances are i'd not have been able to fix that
Oh man I've got an intensive course booked for 2023 and I will have to navigate the Siston Hill Roundabout.
at 1:55 the motorbikes actually going 60km/h
im going to assume that the bikes speedometer isnt working correctly, simply by the basis that EVERY vehicle is either at the same speed, or going faster, which i doubt is happening since i do believe there are speed cameras
It's in kph. I missed it but it is just visible!!
@@ashley_neal right, so nothing wrong with the speed then thankfully. as his normal speed was around 34, and overtaking was 41 which is still within the speed limit with error margin
Just done a bit of calculating on the clip and the speedos a bit out! He's not as quick as I said though 👍
Is that your building company? 🤣
4:16, Years ago, I've been in the receiving end of one of those shunts at a roundabout.
The roundabout was under a dual carriage way that we'd just left.
The other driver was distracted; visibly chatting to their passenger.
There was too much traffic to risk being shunted out, but I had plenty of time to had time to put my brakes on and to brace.
Two cars written off, but that's better than three.
I reared ended a chap on the join to a roundabout a couple of years ago by not looking left sufficiently. The car in front of me joined the roundabout so i then proceeded to the white line as the next car to join. Waited about 5 seconds looking right saw a gap and proceeded to accelerate, what I hadn’t noticed was that chap that joined the roundabout before me had stopped on the roundabout inside lane as there were some cars hoofing it on the outside lane and he must have been cautious about continuing on round. Learned a lesson to alway check even when you have seen the car in front leave.
3 cyclists and car. Look at the position of the red car. I think they have seen the cyclists but the position has blocked view of the HGV. And so the pull out infront of the HGV being coverd by their blind spot. The reaction from the cyclists was more of that was close with the HGV. If the HGV hit the car. It could have also wiped out the cyclists too.
I had a lorry run straight into the back of me at speed at a roundabout like in this clip. Hit me hard. Had terrible whiplash from it for days after
Yup, i've been on the receiving end of a roundabout rearender... Luckily the guy was just starting to creep so I felt a bump, but when got out and checked there was no discernible damage to me, he had a small scrape. We swopped info anyway (we actually had the same surname, no relation though), but basically left it at that.
I’d be embarrassed driving that car too