As much as I like Veilguard, I can't help but feel that its much better ideas and more in-depth world building and lore was left in the books and cut from the game. I feel Joplin was more similar to what we expected from Bioware than the reboot. Some of the ideas from the artbook look exactly what felt like was missing from the game sometimes. A darker, shadier look at Minrathous, etc. Just a more nuanced look at the world, a more distinctive feel to the cultures and the many factions in the world.
These artbook insights are amazing; thank you so much for all of your hard work lore crafting over the years ! 💜 I knew I would love DAtV before I played it, and I finally finished my first playthough yesterday. Started another run immediately, but now I can watch all of the analysis content. I'm so excited 😁
Topic #3 So we didn't got new hints on Qunari's connection to elves, previously there were theories that elves experimented with dragon blood to create qunari, but from what we get they mixed dragon blood on their old homeland.
I got my artbook last week but didn't want to open it for fear of spoilers. After finishing the game yesterday I finally looked into it and there is so much interesting stuff. So many things I would have liked to see in game. Like rescuing somebody from the Fade, Cole returning or former companions as advisors. And there are definitely some things, that luckily never saw the light of day. Like tranquil Solas? No thank you! Lavellan greatly disapproves. Seeing the concepts behind the Evanuris made me a little sad however. They had worked out all these personality details for them, like Elgar'nan's necklace, the trophies of the slain titans worked into his clothing and him wearing a wig attached to his crown (XD) that were never mentioned in game. And I think, these details would have made them appear so much more like people. Horrible people, but more gray instead of being just the big bads. And I loved the moments in Veilguard where you got a glimpse of that. But on the other hand I would have like to see so much more of so much more. More Solavellan, more Solas, more Evanuris... somewhere you have to make the cuts I guess. 😉
It kind of annoys me that they changed his headdress shape from a full circle to the horns. It just seems like an effort to make him appear more evil and one-note. They really dropped the ball with him and Gilly, especially as it seems Solas had some kind of rapport with her.
@@vanyadolly Well, Solas knew all of the Evanuris for millennia. He must have had some kind of relationship with every single one of them. It would have been really interesting to explore those (beside his obvious mutual hate for Elgar'nan) or to see, how they were before using the blight. So many stories untold. Don't mistake me. I am really happy with what we've got. I just wanted more. ^.^°
@@vanyadolly It's tricky. Post-Inquisition contents like Divine hunting Solas is thought about as soon as Inquisition's story was finialized. One artwork even got reused for Trespasser. Joplin had cool ideas but I think they would have been difficult to implement. Veilguard also felt like it couldn't fulfill its potential to the fullest yet. Joplin's wild ideas would have be impossible.
I got 4 minutes in, and then sighed and saved the video for later. Thanks for the spoiler warning and will see you in a month or two once I finished the Veilguard :)
1:28:48 Im sorry but i actually said that i prefer a more stylized dragon age like 2 or veilguard because i found origins and inquistion to be too "uncanny valley"😅
One thing the art book makes me wonder is whether The Lords of Fortune were conceptualized as a means to use leftover concept art from Joplin. That section of the artbook is pretty heavily aquatic in nature, and I always thought that felt a little out of place amongst the factions, but as a cost/time savings measure, it makes a ton of sense for them to exist.
Well have to come back to this video later with my copy open. I poured through it and read nearly all of the little sideways entries. Your insight on this is great! Thanks for sharing
2:38:00 Yes, this bugged me so much! The fragment of Mythal says that both the waking world and the Fade are denied to her. So we are without a doubt not in the Fade when we talked to her. The Black City should've been visible from the Lighthouse, in Hezenkoss's quest, and also from Solas' prison. It looks like an oversight more than anything.
Yes this, I went back at different saves across Veilguard, no black city from the lighthouse. Many other issues with dialogue throughout the whole game.
**Spoiler inbound for those who haven’t completed the game.** So you CAN see the Black City from the Crossroads, but it is from the little bit where you fight the blighted dragon after talking to Mythal. I agree though that you should be able to see the Black City from the Lighthouse.
@@akatsuki3399 It's not explicitly said, but it's probably the one. If you use photo mode to zoom in, you can see spires with the Evanuris' symbols on top.
Personally I like the idea of Kal-Sharok's armor, but I played as a dwarf and dwarves are my favorites so I AM BIASED. On the NPCs it looked good, but when I got it it looked like my character had no neck AND I didn't find the male dwarf mask from this set :(
I remember when I had gotten the art book for Inquisition, I was sitting next to my mother and showed some of the art to her, and she was really impressed with it.
maybe solas tranquilizing himself is him preventing himself from changing his mind after linking his lifeforce to the veil, knowing that he could only overcome his spirit's desire by literally not having any desire anymore
Exactly. This is the guy who can't accept that he's wrong. Tranquilizing himself would ensure that the veil remains safe and he doesn't have to live with the guilt of what he's done.
I saw a codex entry somewhere in veilguard of one of the Evanuris talking about their human slaves before the veil. Need to find it on a second play through but it has my theory braining running rn.
I liked DAV but even they part of the artbook looks like it was put together at last minute with those weird text placements 😢 thank you for making the video, looking foward for your take on that extra scene post credit
The artbook makes me wish we got their original vision. That early game looks like what everyone wanted veilguard to be and it factored in past worldstate. The artbook makes veilguard look like a shell of what this game could have been and it's genuinely sad that this isn't what we got. It's odd that when bioware got the permission to go back to making a single player game they didn't pick up where they left off with post inqusition/Joplin and instead reworked like the whole story into something that to me seems genuinely lesser. This artbook is heartbreaking tbh and I hope if we get another dragon age, it's a game more like the artbook and less like veilguard.
I fully agree with you, reading and seeing this artbook broke my heart , I mean wow what could have been! This is everything I wanted! It would have been my dream game! I'm really sad and empty now after playing the game bcs it was a 7/10 for me, I did enjoy some things but mostly it was very underwhelming for me! The romances really really disappointed me!
Yep. I just can't take DAV as canon when it deviates so much from the previous games, and the concept of the game it should have been. Just look at the drawings of Tervinter compared to the watered down version we got in DAV where we can barely acknowledge slavery is a thing.
I think the human ears are a simple oversight (or she made herself a new body?) and Solas saying "human" in that one regret memory is more a stand-in for "person". Elvhen are "the people", they wouldn't have thought of themselves as the elven race yet..?
With regards to why Solas was making himself tranquil in that one ending, maybe it was to avoid the temptation of using blight magic or becoming corrupted by it? Now that we know the blight’s link to the Titans, perhaps it would have different interactions with the tranquil akin to how they can safely handle lyrium?
Thanks for showing the artwork., I have played through the game and got all but 2 achievements. I am glad I prepared myself for not having high expectations so i could enjoy it as an action RPG with limited choice, so that I could enjoy it. I do feel that Solas, while being the strongest part of the game, did very little to deserve the good ending for him, which bummed me out a little. None of the characters really stuck with me and I caught myself skipping Bellara's dialogue instinctively - and I cannot tell you why other than I didn't engage with it. I wish we had the opportunity to treat our companions with the same nuance that we did Solas. I am now sitting with the same feeling as when I had played Hogwarts Legacy - a good game, but nothing really stuck. Going forward I will not be looking for my "adult" fix in Bioware games, but it was fun while it lasted.
@@Allaiya. I know, what I meant wasn't that I didn't want him to have one. I wish he had done more on his part to feel like he had worked for getting the good ending.
@@Shinarydk oh yeah. I did the good ending at first but honestly seeing how he behaved, I switched it to one of the other options and honestly it was more satisfying
having played DATV now I cant feel anything but conned by the people who said this game was great for the long time fans and those who are invested in the lore. I feel cheated. glad you enjoyed it i guess
I'm playing through the game now and the only thing in my mind is "I need some lore videeeeos and tinfoiling" lol But this will do too ❤ Ghill in love with Emmerich too. ❤ I think it is the first time we have the same canon romance 😊 Edit: Really interesting to see that Joplin is pretty much veilguard with some key differences but the overall idea was there haha
@@happythoughts4553 voice reminded me of them. Plus we couldn't do anything about it, only for now, which creates some paralells with the rotten fruit that will get ripened.
@@happythoughts4553 I completed every zone 100%, however I do not recall it... I've just read the guide and noticed there is a well opened after, where you can face it - so yeah, I missed it thanks.
I feel like there is a connection. Also, I find it curious that "the storm" did not pursue the fleeing Qunari... perhaps they were only interested in the lands across the sea not what resides there. Also, why can't we trust things not written with fire? Do they have some way of manipulating writing?
Topic #7 What is the gain of executors in bringing blight from black city? It was implied that magisters of old heard whispers from evanuris througb their archdemons, should we think it were executors speaking through the blight? Antoine mentions something else speaks through the blight right now (executors or remnants of titans potentially)
Topic #4 About the Black City. Magisters entered the Black City and got tainted, however they didn't see the evanuris and throne was empty. So there is a difference between Evanuris prison and the black city. So what is The Black City in the end?
As much as I liked veilguard and it's better then nothing (trying to be grateful 😭) even tho it's a 7/10 game and had mostly is underwhelming moments seeing how awesome the game couldve been really makes me dislike the final product more this would've topped inquisition or any other game tbh makes me wish I could be in an alternative timeline where we did get the first intended game 😭✋
I would rather have had nothing than the lore and previous games being invalidated tbh. I'm so grateful they released the concept art so we can se what the story should have been.
I've watched this video way too many times and i have a controversial opinion i would let bioware do DLC companion again if only to get to know that Saarbraks person also for a moment I thought that in Joplin you'd have two teams, one in the south and one in Tevinter
Hey Ghil i understood you ignored my comments until now even if i was one of the first ones to comment, maybe because i went against veilgaurd blind trust or yours but i wanted to say something before i unsubscribe first of all i wanted to say thanks for all the videos you made until now, amazing lore videos of the games you and all this community love, this lore of Thedas is a big part of what made me love the games in the first place as a lore addict, so with your presentation i was hooked then the Veilguard came, as i understood you were with bioware team talking about the game for months, obviously you couldn't know what exactly they are doing but for some reason you never spoke out, even after you were allowed to talk you never said anything bad about the game, not only that but ignored all the comments who asked about it. you are not a game review channel but i feel like you were bought by bioware, i do not know if this is true or not, but it is sure feel like it, lets leave the gameplay of the game and all the woke problems of the game, lets focus only on the lore prospective they made the "Antam" the war faction of the Qun to leave it and rebel? all this while we know Sten is the head of the Antam? They made the titans the reason for the blight? really? and this is just the tip of the iceberg they ruined the same lore we loved and talked about so much, they destroyed cities with out thinking about it, they destroyed Denerim with one line and not even explaining anything i am sorry, Ghil, it might not be fair but you made me feel like we do not care about the same lore anymore, because you have something with bioware team or because you are too excited to get anything new to talk about you let this company ruin the one thing we love thanks and good luck in the future
It certainly speaks volumes how little build up there was to this release even in their StV podcast. I am still curious to hear Jordan's opinion since he is more of a realist with this game. Not blinded by the love of prior games to the same extent. It is clear any longtime DA fan is not okay with the lore changes, and it is sad to see she did not keep it honest with the fans. This game was certainly not a love letter.
Nr1: least parasocial viewer over here Nr2: literally 0 lore is ruined over the Antaam leaving the Qun. The Qun isn't magical it's just a belief system. For all we know sten got tired of seeing what he thought was a barbarian society run free and he wanted to step in And the titans being the origin point for the blight is actually fine, be for real now. It expands on the dwarven lore making what happened to them even sader, they got the worst of the blights and it was because their future were stolen by the elven gods
@@itzhen7032 I am sorry but all you said is not true, The Antaam are known in the story to be one of the most important factions in the Qun, and a big part of the Qun is to make sure people wont become Tal Vashoth, so now you tell me one of the biggest factions left the Qun without a reason and not caring about the fact Sten was a big follower of the Qun last time we seen him Now about the titans, what we did know for sure before Veilguard is that the taint (the blight) came after the mages entered the black city, we know the titans blood is lyrium and it is pure blue and alive, we also know that lyrium can be corrupted to red lyrium by the taint, we also know that the taint somehow connected to the old gods, because after awakening an old god with the taint they lead the blight,. we know lyrium is source of magical power, we also know that lyrium came before the taint, so your entire argument does not make any sense they ignored the story before hand and made every mistake possible, from marketing to story telling, now even talking about how the fighting is as bad if not worse you can think i am not a fan, but i am, i had theories about the rest of the lore all the time, from thinking the old gods (the dragons) are the constructed body of the elven gods solas put away and thats why they called the mages to the golden city in the first place to get the taint and release it to their bodies in the deep roads and more so by your answer everyone can clearly see this is a bullshit comment without anything connected to it
Topic #5 5 archdemons fell, so why did 5 evanuris die? Evanuris are immortal through their thralls but do not die automatically because of the fact of their death.
I too want to understand how they died... perhaps of old age once they lost their thrall? Also, Solas is so upset about Grey Wardens killing Archdemons in Inquisition... wouldn't they have brought down the veil after killing all the Archdemons, if the Evanuris dies as well? So impatient for an immortal
The veil uses their life force to sustain itself. The arch demons die, the evanuris lose their immortality. The veil, over a period of time, drains their remaining life force. So, by Veilguard, only two gods/arch demons are left to hold the veil
@@ShoppingAttic This explains it, but in this case what sense it is for Solas to sustain the veil, if he will eventually be drained up and the veil will collapse
Saarbrak was actually in the tevinter nights back in 2020. He was a Ben-Hassrath looking to spy on the Antaam that broke free from the qun and take them out if they were breaking rules. I guess they were setting him up in the book but decided to cut him later it seems. Maybe he will return in the next game. I wish there were dlc cause they could add him there but it won’t happen.
@trevorwalsh7196 Ooohhh I remember him now. That cool Qunari who met the Veil Jumpers trio in the end of the short story. Cutting him might have costed the Qun's story in the game. There's literally zero Qun characters in the story. It's just goofy Antaam and non-Qun folks like Shathaam.
@ yeah originally there was 7 factions with the 7th being Qunari. Not sure if you’d be able to play as them like the other 6 but he was supposed to be the link to the new Qunari government dealing with the Antaam going rogue. I believe we also were supposed to go to seheron or par vollen to meet with Qunari and build faction rep with them probably. They most likely cut it for budget reasons but I do still wish they kept him in and made him like Harding with her inquisition faction. Just make him have missions in tevinter, treviso, etc.. looking for Antaam and such then for his big story missions make a zone like Hardings deep road missions in par vollen or something but only a small story part really quick. Would have been cool to see him and Taash interact over the Qun
Thank you for the artbook review! I won‘t play veilguard because its not at all what I wanted to play after inquisition. BUT i‘m a hughe fan of the original artbook and I think I will get this one as well!
What are your thoughts about the characterization of Solas in the game? Be honest. I received my copy of the artbook yesterday and I'm actually furious at how much stuff was scrapped.
I just ordered mine as well. What could have been! 🙁Cultures and factions consistent with the lore, our world states still incorporated, Wardens being badasses, Solas actually doing something, villains that are more than one-note bad guys... And I think that warden is supposed to be ours. If they ever appeared, they wouldn't be able to give them a voice. Joplin was the single-player sequel they worked on after DAI. It was cancelled because EA wanted a live service game (project Morrison), which was then cancelled again in favour of the game we got. There's so much that appears to have been cut but is still referred to in the game for some reason, like Solas being able to kill Rook through their dreams, Ghil subjugating the Qunari, the first elves modelling themselves after dwarves rather than humans which makes a lot more sense, etc. Can't help but feel DAV was a bit sloppy with the lore. I'm glad I spent money on this rather than DAV
And "Morrison" even though was conceived as a live service game, was meant to be focused on Solas and the elves rebellion, then someone decided to make it about the power of friendship instead.
@@dreadwolfcult That's even worse. I suspected that some of the changes in "atmosphere" were more recent, but that explains a lot of why the writing is the way it is. It does feel like they didn't have the time to revise it properly.
I'm with you on the Grey Wardens, I have never been too excited about them myself. I think that's why I never really got the appeal of DAO; I really played more for the companions, not so much the story of the Wardens. I'm not sure if I'll make a Warden Rook. I love the little bits of this video where you talked about the council, especially about the scrapped, dapper Qunari man, Saarbraks, that you all didn't even see him during the focus group meetings. I am VERY curious to know why he got cut, whether it's because of budget or some other reason.
From my perspective the writer themselfes were either too lazy or otherwise unwilling to get to know the setting. Now with the "GENIUS" idea to reboot the series they probably got told from outside sources how things connect and work. With their more than limited Imagination and non-caring attitude we got Guardians of the Veilguard Probably the fault of the ancient elves too if we ask them
@@Rue_Khan it's not just that...they droped most of the things that are substory strains and lore...basically just took the most barebone version of the "main lore and story" and then just cooked something out of it...
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As much as I like Veilguard, I can't help but feel that its much better ideas and more in-depth world building and lore was left in the books and cut from the game. I feel Joplin was more similar to what we expected from Bioware than the reboot. Some of the ideas from the artbook look exactly what felt like was missing from the game sometimes. A darker, shadier look at Minrathous, etc. Just a more nuanced look at the world, a more distinctive feel to the cultures and the many factions in the world.
These artbook insights are amazing; thank you so much for all of your hard work lore crafting over the years ! 💜
I knew I would love DAtV before I played it, and I finally finished my first playthough yesterday. Started another run immediately, but now I can watch all of the analysis content. I'm so excited 😁
Split the veil + Ghil has kept my love for dragon age alive for years. So much so that I bit the bullet and bought Veilguard on EA instead of steam.
Reading through my own copy of the art book with you was such a delightful experience, thank you for this video!
Topic #3
So we didn't got new hints on Qunari's connection to elves, previously there were theories that elves experimented with dragon blood to create qunari, but from what we get they mixed dragon blood on their old homeland.
I got my artbook last week but didn't want to open it for fear of spoilers. After finishing the game yesterday I finally looked into it and there is so much interesting stuff. So many things I would have liked to see in game. Like rescuing somebody from the Fade, Cole returning or former companions as advisors. And there are definitely some things, that luckily never saw the light of day. Like tranquil Solas? No thank you! Lavellan greatly disapproves.
Seeing the concepts behind the Evanuris made me a little sad however. They had worked out all these personality details for them, like Elgar'nan's necklace, the trophies of the slain titans worked into his clothing and him wearing a wig attached to his crown (XD) that were never mentioned in game. And I think, these details would have made them appear so much more like people. Horrible people, but more gray instead of being just the big bads. And I loved the moments in Veilguard where you got a glimpse of that.
But on the other hand I would have like to see so much more of so much more. More Solavellan, more Solas, more Evanuris... somewhere you have to make the cuts I guess. 😉
It kind of annoys me that they changed his headdress shape from a full circle to the horns. It just seems like an effort to make him appear more evil and one-note. They really dropped the ball with him and Gilly, especially as it seems Solas had some kind of rapport with her.
@@vanyadolly Well, Solas knew all of the Evanuris for millennia. He must have had some kind of relationship with every single one of them. It would have been really interesting to explore those (beside his obvious mutual hate for Elgar'nan) or to see, how they were before using the blight. So many stories untold.
Don't mistake me. I am really happy with what we've got. I just wanted more. ^.^°
Thank you for uploading this! I didn't enjoy the game enough to justify getting the book myself but it's always fun seeing what could have been
Awesome of them to include Post-Inquisition and Joplin concepts.
I got the book specifically for that. It's the game we should have gotten.
@@vanyadolly Yep, I guess I can headcannon that version :')
It was really brave of them to do it, it only ignited the fanbase more.
@@pativi6643 That's what I'm doing! 😄 No more secret ending or incredibly selective blights for me.
@@vanyadolly It's tricky. Post-Inquisition contents like Divine hunting Solas is thought about as soon as Inquisition's story was finialized. One artwork even got reused for Trespasser. Joplin had cool ideas but I think they would have been difficult to implement. Veilguard also felt like it couldn't fulfill its potential to the fullest yet. Joplin's wild ideas would have be impossible.
I got 4 minutes in, and then sighed and saved the video for later. Thanks for the spoiler warning and will see you in a month or two once I finished the Veilguard :)
1:28:48 Im sorry but i actually said that i prefer a more stylized dragon age like 2 or veilguard because i found origins and inquistion to be too "uncanny valley"😅
Same
One thing the art book makes me wonder is whether The Lords of Fortune were conceptualized as a means to use leftover concept art from Joplin. That section of the artbook is pretty heavily aquatic in nature, and I always thought that felt a little out of place amongst the factions, but as a cost/time savings measure, it makes a ton of sense for them to exist.
Well have to come back to this video later with my copy open. I poured through it and read nearly all of the little sideways entries. Your insight on this is great! Thanks for sharing
2:38:00
Yes, this bugged me so much! The fragment of Mythal says that both the waking world and the Fade are denied to her. So we are without a doubt not in the Fade when we talked to her. The Black City should've been visible from the Lighthouse, in Hezenkoss's quest, and also from Solas' prison.
It looks like an oversight more than anything.
Yes this, I went back at different saves across Veilguard, no black city from the lighthouse. Many other issues with dialogue throughout the whole game.
**Spoiler inbound for those who haven’t completed the game.**
So you CAN see the Black City from the Crossroads, but it is from the little bit where you fight the blighted dragon after talking to Mythal.
I agree though that you should be able to see the Black City from the Lighthouse.
@@akatsuki3399 It's not explicitly said, but it's probably the one. If you use photo mode to zoom in, you can see spires with the Evanuris' symbols on top.
Personally I like the idea of Kal-Sharok's armor, but I played as a dwarf and dwarves are my favorites so I AM BIASED.
On the NPCs it looked good, but when I got it it looked like my character had no neck AND I didn't find the male dwarf mask from this set :(
I remember when I had gotten the art book for Inquisition, I was sitting next to my mother and showed some of the art to her, and she was really impressed with it.
am I crazy or does the figure 'surviving in the fade' kinda look like Loghain
maybe solas tranquilizing himself is him preventing himself from changing his mind after linking his lifeforce to the veil, knowing that he could only overcome his spirit's desire by literally not having any desire anymore
Exactly. This is the guy who can't accept that he's wrong. Tranquilizing himself would ensure that the veil remains safe and he doesn't have to live with the guilt of what he's done.
Ghil!! You seem so happy in your videos and unboxings lately!! Yay!! Glad you enjoyed it!!
Your nails are such a pretty color!
I saw a codex entry somewhere in veilguard of one of the Evanuris talking about their human slaves before the veil. Need to find it on a second play through but it has my theory braining running rn.
Yeah that would be interesting
I liked DAV but even they part of the artbook looks like it was put together at last minute with those weird text placements 😢 thank you for making the video, looking foward for your take on that extra scene post credit
The artbook makes me wish we got their original vision. That early game looks like what everyone wanted veilguard to be and it factored in past worldstate.
The artbook makes veilguard look like a shell of what this game could have been and it's genuinely sad that this isn't what we got.
It's odd that when bioware got the permission to go back to making a single player game they didn't pick up where they left off with post inqusition/Joplin and instead reworked like the whole story into something that to me seems genuinely lesser.
This artbook is heartbreaking tbh and I hope if we get another dragon age, it's a game more like the artbook and less like veilguard.
Your comment makes me very angry and I kind of hate you.
I fully agree with you, reading and seeing this artbook broke my heart , I mean wow what could have been! This is everything I wanted! It would have been my dream game! I'm really sad and empty now after playing the game bcs it was a 7/10 for me, I did enjoy some things but mostly it was very underwhelming for me!
The romances really really disappointed me!
This is what people say for every Dragon Age game lol. Time is a flat circle.
@@mandu6665 right? lol
Yep. I just can't take DAV as canon when it deviates so much from the previous games, and the concept of the game it should have been. Just look at the drawings of Tervinter compared to the watered down version we got in DAV where we can barely acknowledge slavery is a thing.
I think the human ears are a simple oversight (or she made herself a new body?) and Solas saying "human" in that one regret memory is more a stand-in for "person". Elvhen are "the people", they wouldn't have thought of themselves as the elven race yet..?
It feels like a mistake because as far as we know humans weren't around and the elves modeled themselves after dwarves.
With regards to why Solas was making himself tranquil in that one ending, maybe it was to avoid the temptation of using blight magic or becoming corrupted by it? Now that we know the blight’s link to the Titans, perhaps it would have different interactions with the tranquil akin to how they can safely handle lyrium?
Thanks for showing the artwork., I have played through the game and got all but 2 achievements. I am glad I prepared myself for not having high expectations so i could enjoy it as an action RPG with limited choice, so that I could enjoy it.
I do feel that Solas, while being the strongest part of the game, did very little to deserve the good ending for him, which bummed me out a little. None of the characters really stuck with me and I caught myself skipping Bellara's dialogue instinctively - and I cannot tell you why other than I didn't engage with it. I wish we had the opportunity to treat our companions with the same nuance that we did Solas.
I am now sitting with the same feeling as when I had played Hogwarts Legacy - a good game, but nothing really stuck. Going forward I will not be looking for my "adult" fix in Bioware games, but it was fun while it lasted.
You don’t have to give Solas a good ending unless you mean you can’t knife him fully
@@Allaiya. I know, what I meant wasn't that I didn't want him to have one. I wish he had done more on his part to feel like he had worked for getting the good ending.
@@Shinarydk oh yeah. I did the good ending at first but honestly seeing how he behaved, I switched it to one of the other options and honestly it was more satisfying
Into the x-mas shopping cart it goes
Loved this whole video Caitie. And not gonna lie, when you shouted Saarbraks I thought I heard "Starbucks" and laughed.
3 HOUR GHIL LETS GOOOOOOO
this makes me want to start with origins AGAIN and go through all the games knowing what we know now
So I guess the other elven gods are dead because their old god dragons were killed.
having played DATV now I cant feel anything but conned by the people who said this game was great for the long time fans and those who are invested in the lore. I feel cheated. glad you enjoyed it i guess
I'm playing through the game now and the only thing in my mind is "I need some lore videeeeos and tinfoiling" lol But this will do too ❤
Ghill in love with Emmerich too. ❤ I think it is the first time we have the same canon romance 😊
Edit: Really interesting to see that Joplin is pretty much veilguard with some key differences but the overall idea was there haha
Topic #1
What are your thoughts on the Echo from the cursed well in Hossberg Wetlands?
Is it connected to Executors or is a demon?
I thought it was a demon, and a good reference to the Greek Myth of Echo.
Curious: do you think it's connected to The Executors? If so, why?
@@happythoughts4553 voice reminded me of them. Plus we couldn't do anything about it, only for now, which creates some paralells with the rotten fruit that will get ripened.
@@jurii9486 did you fight Echo in the crossroads, after sealing the well in Hossberg?
@@happythoughts4553 I completed every zone 100%, however I do not recall it...
I've just read the guide and noticed there is a well opened after, where you can face it - so yeah, I missed it thanks.
@@happythoughts4553I didn't know you could fight it after sealing the well, thanks I'll def go back for this fight
Topic #2
Do you connect a storm and the reason of Qunari's departure from their homeland to Executors?
I feel like there is a connection. Also, I find it curious that "the storm" did not pursue the fleeing Qunari... perhaps they were only interested in the lands across the sea not what resides there.
Also, why can't we trust things not written with fire? Do they have some way of manipulating writing?
Topic #7
What is the gain of executors in bringing blight from black city?
It was implied that magisters of old heard whispers from evanuris througb their archdemons, should we think it were executors speaking through the blight?
Antoine mentions something else speaks through the blight right now (executors or remnants of titans potentially)
I am not jealous at all...😂😍😍
Topic #4
About the Black City.
Magisters entered the Black City and got tainted, however they didn't see the evanuris and throne was empty.
So there is a difference between Evanuris prison and the black city.
So what is The Black City in the end?
As much as I liked veilguard and it's better then nothing (trying to be grateful 😭) even tho it's a 7/10 game and had mostly is underwhelming moments seeing how awesome the game couldve been really makes me dislike the final product more this would've topped inquisition or any other game tbh makes me wish I could be in an alternative timeline where we did get the first intended game 😭✋
I would rather have had nothing than the lore and previous games being invalidated tbh. I'm so grateful they released the concept art so we can se what the story should have been.
The grass is always greener on the other side.
damn, looks way better then the game. stil has some maturity to it.
I've watched this video way too many times and i have a controversial opinion
i would let bioware do DLC companion again if only to get to know that Saarbraks person
also for a moment I thought that in Joplin you'd have two teams, one in the south and one in Tevinter
Hey Ghil
i understood you ignored my comments until now even if i was one of the first ones to comment, maybe because i went against veilgaurd blind trust or yours but i wanted to say something before i unsubscribe
first of all i wanted to say thanks for all the videos you made until now, amazing lore videos of the games you and all this community love, this lore of Thedas is a big part of what made me love the games in the first place as a lore addict, so with your presentation i was hooked
then the Veilguard came, as i understood you were with bioware team talking about the game for months, obviously you couldn't know what exactly they are doing but for some reason you never spoke out, even after you were allowed to talk you never said anything bad about the game, not only that but ignored all the comments who asked about it. you are not a game review channel but i feel like you were bought by bioware, i do not know if this is true or not, but it is sure feel like it,
lets leave the gameplay of the game and all the woke problems of the game, lets focus only on the lore prospective
they made the "Antam" the war faction of the Qun to leave it and rebel? all this while we know Sten is the head of the Antam?
They made the titans the reason for the blight? really?
and this is just the tip of the iceberg
they ruined the same lore we loved and talked about so much, they destroyed cities with out thinking about it, they destroyed Denerim with one line and not even explaining anything
i am sorry, Ghil, it might not be fair but you made me feel like we do not care about the same lore anymore, because you have something with bioware team or because you are too excited to get anything new to talk about you let this company ruin the one thing we love
thanks and good luck in the future
Agreed. She's either a shill or doesn't care about lore of dragon age.
What a weirdo..
It certainly speaks volumes how little build up there was to this release even in their StV podcast. I am still curious to hear Jordan's opinion since he is more of a realist with this game. Not blinded by the love of prior games to the same extent. It is clear any longtime DA fan is not okay with the lore changes, and it is sad to see she did not keep it honest with the fans. This game was certainly not a love letter.
Nr1: least parasocial viewer over here
Nr2: literally 0 lore is ruined over the Antaam leaving the Qun. The Qun isn't magical it's just a belief system. For all we know sten got tired of seeing what he thought was a barbarian society run free and he wanted to step in
And the titans being the origin point for the blight is actually fine, be for real now. It expands on the dwarven lore making what happened to them even sader, they got the worst of the blights and it was because their future were stolen by the elven gods
@@itzhen7032 I am sorry but all you said is not true,
The Antaam are known in the story to be one of the most important factions in the Qun, and a big part of the Qun is to make sure people wont become Tal Vashoth, so now you tell me one of the biggest factions left the Qun without a reason and not caring about the fact Sten was a big follower of the Qun last time we seen him
Now about the titans, what we did know for sure before Veilguard is that the taint (the blight) came after the mages entered the black city, we know the titans blood is lyrium and it is pure blue and alive, we also know that lyrium can be corrupted to red lyrium by the taint,
we also know that the taint somehow connected to the old gods, because after awakening an old god with the taint they lead the blight,.
we know lyrium is source of magical power, we also know that lyrium came before the taint, so your entire argument does not make any sense
they ignored the story before hand and made every mistake possible, from marketing to story telling, now even talking about how the fighting is as bad if not worse
you can think i am not a fan, but i am, i had theories about the rest of the lore all the time, from thinking the old gods (the dragons) are the constructed body of the elven gods solas put away and thats why they called the mages to the golden city in the first place to get the taint and release it to their bodies in the deep roads and more
so by your answer everyone can clearly see this is a bullshit comment without anything connected to it
Topic #5
5 archdemons fell, so why did 5 evanuris die?
Evanuris are immortal through their thralls but do not die automatically because of the fact of their death.
I too want to understand how they died... perhaps of old age once they lost their thrall?
Also, Solas is so upset about Grey Wardens killing Archdemons in Inquisition... wouldn't they have brought down the veil after killing all the Archdemons, if the Evanuris dies as well? So impatient for an immortal
The veil uses their life force to sustain itself. The arch demons die, the evanuris lose their immortality. The veil, over a period of time, drains their remaining life force. So, by Veilguard, only two gods/arch demons are left to hold the veil
@@ShoppingAttic This explains it, but in this case what sense it is for Solas to sustain the veil, if he will eventually be drained up and the veil will collapse
Saarbrak was actually in the tevinter nights back in 2020.
He was a Ben-Hassrath looking to spy on the Antaam that broke free from the qun and take them out if they were breaking rules.
I guess they were setting him up in the book but decided to cut him later it seems.
Maybe he will return in the next game. I wish there were dlc cause they could add him there but it won’t happen.
@trevorwalsh7196 Ooohhh I remember him now. That cool Qunari who met the Veil Jumpers trio in the end of the short story. Cutting him might have costed the Qun's story in the game. There's literally zero Qun characters in the story. It's just goofy Antaam and non-Qun folks like Shathaam.
@ yeah originally there was 7 factions with the 7th being Qunari. Not sure if you’d be able to play as them like the other 6 but he was supposed to be the link to the new Qunari government dealing with the Antaam going rogue.
I believe we also were supposed to go to seheron or par vollen to meet with Qunari and build faction rep with them probably. They most likely cut it for budget reasons but I do still wish they kept him in and made him like Harding with her inquisition faction.
Just make him have missions in tevinter, treviso, etc.. looking for Antaam and such then for his big story missions make a zone like Hardings deep road missions in par vollen or something but only a small story part really quick. Would have been cool to see him and Taash interact over the Qun
man what could have been vs what we got .... what a shame
Thank you for the artbook review! I won‘t play veilguard because its not at all what I wanted to play after inquisition. BUT i‘m a hughe fan of the original artbook and I think I will get this one as well!
The pacific rim version of the blights getting shorter and shorter had me rolling lol
Topic #6
Archdemons are high dragons.
What was so special about Urthemiel's soul to conduct a dark ritual.
It shouldn't be a soul of the evanuris.
What are your thoughts about the characterization of Solas in the game? Be honest.
I received my copy of the artbook yesterday and I'm actually furious at how much stuff was scrapped.
I just ordered mine as well. What could have been! 🙁Cultures and factions consistent with the lore, our world states still incorporated, Wardens being badasses, Solas actually doing something, villains that are more than one-note bad guys... And I think that warden is supposed to be ours. If they ever appeared, they wouldn't be able to give them a voice.
Joplin was the single-player sequel they worked on after DAI. It was cancelled because EA wanted a live service game (project Morrison), which was then cancelled again in favour of the game we got.
There's so much that appears to have been cut but is still referred to in the game for some reason, like Solas being able to kill Rook through their dreams, Ghil subjugating the Qunari, the first elves modelling themselves after dwarves rather than humans which makes a lot more sense, etc. Can't help but feel DAV was a bit sloppy with the lore.
I'm glad I spent money on this rather than DAV
Only your point regarding world states isvalid. The rest is invalid.
All money spent that is not biowares latest victim of santisation and lore-butchering is well spent in my book
And "Morrison" even though was conceived as a live service game, was meant to be focused on Solas and the elves rebellion, then someone decided to make it about the power of friendship instead.
@@dreadwolfcult That's even worse. I suspected that some of the changes in "atmosphere" were more recent, but that explains a lot of why the writing is the way it is. It does feel like they didn't have the time to revise it properly.
I'm with you on the Grey Wardens, I have never been too excited about them myself. I think that's why I never really got the appeal of DAO; I really played more for the companions, not so much the story of the Wardens. I'm not sure if I'll make a Warden Rook.
I love the little bits of this video where you talked about the council, especially about the scrapped, dapper Qunari man, Saarbraks, that you all didn't even see him during the focus group meetings. I am VERY curious to know why he got cut, whether it's because of budget or some other reason.
man this artbook is like an unholy documentary about they butchered the lore in DA4 and what we could have had instead
Lol "butchered the lore." They can do whatever they want with the lore. Stop being such a drama queen. Half the fans complaining barely know the lore.
@@mandu6665 if you say so....
What did they butchered tho?
From my perspective the writer themselfes were either too lazy or otherwise unwilling to get to know the setting.
Now with the "GENIUS" idea to reboot the series they probably got told from outside sources how things connect and work.
With their more than limited Imagination and non-caring attitude we got Guardians of the Veilguard
Probably the fault of the ancient elves too if we ask them
@@Rue_Khan it's not just that...they droped most of the things that are substory strains and lore...basically just took the most barebone version of the "main lore and story" and then just cooked something out of it...