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Good video James. Thanks for taking the time to film it. Whilst I haven't made the jump to Press another big advantage is you can press when there's some water in the pipe. Can be a big advantage and a time saver in certain situations. Thanks again, buddy. 👍🏻
Finally a Plumber who see and talk about cost of labour, flux, solder etc.. I use press since 2000 in my home ( Hungary), Not new for me, we mostly use MLCP press as its much cheaper then copper and faster. Still can't believe that UK plumbers still talking about o ring etc.. We use them since 80s So far the good branded like Geberit and Xpress not failed me. Way overlast solder fitting only due to fact noone flush the flux which cause pinhole 😂 Good video 👌
Great video James, set at a great pace and very very informative. The best bit about press fit is the ability to complete wet repairs. Keep up the great work.
I have been lucky to be able to borrow a press fit tool from someone for my self build. I think a key thing you missed is the cost of the tool for a DIY person. I planned to buy one and sell it when i was finished so the fact I could borrow one was a big bonus. I have been buying my fittings at Toolstation and local merchants where I have an account they were WAY more expensive than you suggest in your video., more like £2 for an elbow. That said while I can solder fittings I am 10X faster and safer with pressfit. Your point on being able to remove them is also very important. I had an issue in a cupboard where I had to lower the hight several pipes had been installed at and it got very tight. I manged to remove a fitting from a pipe by being VERY careful with a multitool cutting into the fitting just enough to open it and remove it without damaging the pipe it was crimped to.
I love my novopress, so quick and easy, as you said, no hot works, no risk of fire or setting smoke alarms off, I can solder, but I prefer press fit now.
Press fit is great, a local plumber lent me his tool and bought a load of fittings and pipe off him. Plumbed my renovation project over Christmas and New year. Professional looking job even though I'm no professional.
When I worked at Nicholls Boreholes as a designer of the plant rooms I just used Pegler press fit or Flamco for water. Both were brilliant and gave a very professional finish 😎
If it's copper...I'll be soldering,, because I have never used anything better, more versatile, or more reliable. But I'm a plumber too, so.....😅..What do you think of the pex stuff boss? The aluminium lined plastic gear with the compression or crimped type fittings? God bless and regards 🤗🤗
I get the appeal, but the one thing you don’t talk about is the EPDM in the fittings, and it as a nutrient for bacteria. No issue on rads obviously, but as an AP in healthcare, both our technical guidance and our AE’s (Water) do not recommend on our domestic water fittings. Worth chatting about?
mate great vid ,im 60 wont ever retire but my sons in his last year as a apprentice , not sure what to do as pipe work isnt something i do every day but i do get fed up with soldering does the price justify me getting it ,but i do like having all the tools been scratching my head on this for 3 years now
I think it depends really what sort of work you tend to do. Personally dont like how big the fittings are. But if your going for a industrial sort of look which some people do then they look decent
been looking at this for years now im in my 60s my apprentice son is in his last year ,i dont do pipework every day but love my tools great vid but can i justify the outlay
@plumberparts have seen a similar tool (Milwakee) used by another YT, however, he marks the pipework with a black marker on a dry fit. That way you can see any movement prior to press fit as opposed to marking post crimping.
What about ageing? Compression and olive for ever haven’t seen a failed one yet when done properly first time, solder a good while although solder sometimes appears to fatigue after years. These new ones have soft seals of some type - wonder how they age - seals - didn’t bode well on the space Shuttle and are not doing well on Boeings Starliner. Endfeed still look the best.
What’s your opinion on the Alpha Press? Is it your first press gun, or have you tried another brand. Because I’m seriously toying with the idea of getting an Alpha.
Gun looks similar to the bigger novapress 203 gun. I use the smaller novapress gun and xpress fittings at work. Do like it for ease and speed but you can beat puooed bends and soldered joints for looks and max efficiency.
Seen what looks like a similar Chinese tool from Z-Press branded Zuppa i think..the other thing is how many independent service centres are there for these Press Tools ?
Just going to throw this one out there, tectite. Looks very similar to press. Just no outlay for the tools. I’ve used tectite religiously for all accessible pipework unless I’ve been asked to solder. Definately would’ve been worth putting that in the vid too. One day I will join in with press but I’m a tight arse
These are pretty cool tech. Very neat and handy, but not too reliable and it's a little too specialized. But it's good. Some plumbers wouldn't be plumbers because they don't like the other techniques. Press fit is a 1/10mm accuracy thing, there's a pressure curve, the materials need to be right, the pressure and diameter needs to be exact, and the press needs to be held clamped until the material settles... If you don't have the correct materials you can't botch a fix. It's basically a pro tool.
Is it ok to use those fittings on chrome? When I install a radiator I make good under the floorboards by linishing the chrome off the copper pipe then soldering, and chrome is slippery…..
Hi if your working on commercial premises and contract work you will need to get the tool calibrated one a year which costs approx £90 a year depending on your tool manufactuer. However if you buy a tool from a Chinese Tool importer and they stop trading how does that tool get serviced.
We’ve got a rems mini and just bought a alpha press as a second gun, it’s heavy but generally really impressed with it for the price. The batteries last absolutely ages.
My only problem with the alpha press fittings is that if people don't clean/ deburr the outside of the pipe property you risk damaging / slicing the rubber "o" ring ,which may leak in the near future . Love your video's youngster . Always great info . When are you going to put your son Ted on the tools , he's over 6 months old . 😂😂👍
A guy on TH-cam did a test where he removed the o-rings and still got a watertight seal. It was only when the pipe was moved around a lot that it started to leak. Suggesting the o-ring is just a backup but how realistic the test was I don't know.
Huh. Can you do a few tests for us comment scrubs? Can you make a few connections WITHOUT the rubber? It'll promote a lot of sales if it doesn't leak. Trust me. It's the same reason why you sell the rubber-equipped pipe inserts (for barrier pipes).
You know what they need? A bending head. Pipe benders are LARGE. And awkward to use in some situations. Imagine if this did the bends. To pre-set degrees. HMMMM...
WOW it's cheap! Only £500-ish? Comes with batteries, chargers, two heads, etc. and a case? Bloody 'ell man. If I had to do faffload amount of piping I'll just get one.
O ring is a different material for gas, compared to water. The fitting is colour coded "yellow" for gas. You can buy the o rings separately thus if caught short of gas fitting you can change out the o ring for correct one.
Dunno but saw the ugliest solder you ever saw (joint not cleaned, pipe too hot, burnt black flux mess all around the joint) take twelve bar on the bench from the prof wishing to show how bad it was. Hmm 😅
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Fortunately I've used this equipment for many years in a commercial environment.the one thing I will stress is the marking of the fittings try to make sure a v is drawn from the end of the pipe towards the fittings reason being if there is ever a failure the company that has supplied the parts will cross cut to make sure it's been installed correctly if it hasn't then an insurance policy will become null and void thus meaning the installer will be liable for repairs and costs
Press is only marginally better looking than push fit. Only advantage is the internal diameter not being reduced as much. Solder will always look better though.
@@metallitech Of course! These fittings work on a completely different principle. Pressed press-fit will hold the rad pressure even without the oring (oh yes), while pushfits rely only on the rubber. Yes, I joined the happy pressfit team and after splashing £££ on the tool and fittings, I finally sleep well after joining some old, wet pipes.
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One other advantage is there's less fumes. Also you don't get the reemer in the set - it's an extra!
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Good video James. Thanks for taking the time to film it. Whilst I haven't made the jump to Press another big advantage is you can press when there's some water in the pipe. Can be a big advantage and a time saver in certain situations. Thanks again, buddy. 👍🏻
Finally a Plumber who see and talk about cost of labour, flux, solder etc.. I use press since 2000 in my home ( Hungary), Not new for me, we mostly use MLCP press as its much cheaper then copper and faster. Still can't believe that UK plumbers still talking about o ring etc.. We use them since 80s So far the good branded like Geberit and Xpress not failed me. Way overlast solder fitting only due to fact noone flush the flux which cause pinhole 😂 Good video 👌
Pinholes never seem to happen here in the UK. My theory is that the hard water protects the pipes.
Wondering how much the internal diameter is reducer by with MLCP fittings? Looks similar to pish fit in that sense.
@@metallitech they do
Great video James, set at a great pace and very very informative. The best bit about press fit is the ability to complete wet repairs. Keep up the great work.
I have been lucky to be able to borrow a press fit tool from someone for my self build. I think a key thing you missed is the cost of the tool for a DIY person. I planned to buy one and sell it when i was finished so the fact I could borrow one was a big bonus. I have been buying my fittings at Toolstation and local merchants where I have an account they were WAY more expensive than you suggest in your video., more like £2 for an elbow. That said while I can solder fittings I am 10X faster and safer with pressfit. Your point on being able to remove them is also very important. I had an issue in a cupboard where I had to lower the hight several pipes had been installed at and it got very tight. I manged to remove a fitting from a pipe by being VERY careful with a multitool cutting into the fitting just enough to open it and remove it without damaging the pipe it was crimped to.
I love my novopress, so quick and easy, as you said, no hot works, no risk of fire or setting smoke alarms off, I can solder, but I prefer press fit now.
Press fit is great, a local plumber lent me his tool and bought a load of fittings and pipe off him. Plumbed my renovation project over Christmas and New year. Professional looking job even though I'm no professional.
When I worked at Nicholls Boreholes as a designer of the plant rooms I just used Pegler press fit or Flamco for water. Both were brilliant and gave a very professional finish 😎
If it's copper...I'll be soldering,, because I have never used anything better, more versatile, or more reliable. But I'm a plumber too, so.....😅..What do you think of the pex stuff boss? The aluminium lined plastic gear with the compression or crimped type fittings? God bless and regards 🤗🤗
I get the appeal, but the one thing you don’t talk about is the EPDM in the fittings, and it as a nutrient for bacteria. No issue on rads obviously, but as an AP in healthcare, both our technical guidance and our AE’s (Water) do not recommend on our domestic water fittings.
Worth chatting about?
Your videos are very entertaining and educational.Very professional.
mate great vid ,im 60 wont ever retire but my sons in his last year as a apprentice , not sure what to do as pipe work isnt something i do every day but i do get fed up with soldering does the price justify me getting it ,but i do like having all the tools been scratching my head on this for 3 years now
I think it depends really what sort of work you tend to do. Personally dont like how big the fittings are. But if your going for a industrial sort of look which some people do then they look decent
@@StevenGravettI can't justify the price myself and hate the look of them
Good job 👍
been looking at this for years now im in my 60s my apprentice son is in his last year ,i dont do pipework every day but love my tools great vid but can i justify the outlay
@plumberparts have seen a similar tool (Milwakee) used by another YT, however, he marks the pipework with a black marker on a dry fit. That way you can see any movement prior to press fit as opposed to marking post crimping.
What about ageing? Compression and olive for ever haven’t seen a failed one yet when done properly first time, solder a good while although solder sometimes appears to fatigue after years. These new ones have soft seals of some type - wonder how they age - seals - didn’t bode well on the space Shuttle and are not doing well on Boeings Starliner.
Endfeed still look the best.
What’s your opinion on the Alpha Press? Is it your first press gun, or have you tried another brand. Because I’m seriously toying with the idea of getting an Alpha.
Where's the link to their store you talked about
One question is if you forget to press a fitting, like central heating pipe and it leaks ,can you press it there and then and will it leak.Ted plumber
How frequently does the press need to be calibrated?
Gun looks similar to the bigger novapress 203 gun. I use the smaller novapress gun and xpress fittings at work. Do like it for ease and speed but you can beat puooed bends and soldered joints for looks and max efficiency.
How's the pool going. I was hoping to see a video soon.
Does the isolation valve have to be flat faced to connect a flexible pipe to make sure it doesn't cut into the washer ?
Would you press a fitting and cut it half so we can see if it presses the pipe inside aswell as the fitting or just the fitting
Seen what looks like a similar Chinese tool from Z-Press branded Zuppa i think..the other thing is how many independent service centres are there for these Press Tools ?
if your good with a cutoff wheel you can cut the press fitting only and save the pipe
Great vid
OOOh it works with makita batteries? ME LIKEY.
Just going to throw this one out there, tectite. Looks very similar to press. Just no outlay for the tools. I’ve used tectite religiously for all accessible pipework unless I’ve been asked to solder. Definately would’ve been worth putting that in the vid too. One day I will join in with press but I’m a tight arse
Yorkshire fittings all day long for me, they look much better than those bulbous press fittings too imo.
These are pretty cool tech. Very neat and handy, but not too reliable and it's a little too specialized. But it's good. Some plumbers wouldn't be plumbers because they don't like the other techniques.
Press fit is a 1/10mm accuracy thing, there's a pressure curve, the materials need to be right, the pressure and diameter needs to be exact, and the press needs to be held clamped until the material settles... If you don't have the correct materials you can't botch a fix. It's basically a pro tool.
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My buddy just died and I’m heartbroken.
Is it ok to use those fittings on chrome? When I install a radiator I make good under the floorboards by linishing the chrome off the copper pipe then soldering, and chrome is slippery…..
Was looking at this but was unsure about it. Technically the press isn't a complicated piece of equipment. Is it true it needs recalibrating annually?
Hi if your working on commercial premises and contract work you will need to get the tool calibrated one a year which costs approx £90 a year depending on your tool manufactuer. However if you buy a tool from a Chinese Tool importer and they stop trading how does that tool get serviced.
what's the verdict on the alpha press kit? good price for this equipment.
We’ve got a rems mini and just bought a alpha press as a second gun, it’s heavy but generally really impressed with it for the price. The batteries last absolutely ages.
Like press, however it has a place.
A bit like plastic out of site. Just my thoughts/opinion
I cant imagine there's a 25-year warranty if the water was acidic with the press fitting
How much was it for the set?
£760
My only problem with the alpha press fittings is that if people don't clean/ deburr the outside of the pipe property you risk damaging / slicing the rubber "o" ring ,which may leak in the near future . Love your video's youngster . Always great info . When are you going to put your son Ted on the tools , he's over 6 months old . 😂😂👍
Rubbers leaking is never a good thing
A guy on TH-cam did a test where he removed the o-rings and still got a watertight seal. It was only when the pipe was moved around a lot that it started to leak. Suggesting the o-ring is just a backup but how realistic the test was I don't know.
Why not just make an adapter contraption you can fit onto an electric drill. An entire tool for press fitting seems over the top.😊
Huh. Can you do a few tests for us comment scrubs? Can you make a few connections WITHOUT the rubber? It'll promote a lot of sales if it doesn't leak. Trust me. It's the same reason why you sell the rubber-equipped pipe inserts (for barrier pipes).
You know what they need? A bending head. Pipe benders are LARGE. And awkward to use in some situations. Imagine if this did the bends. To pre-set degrees. HMMMM...
WOW it's cheap! Only £500-ish? Comes with batteries, chargers, two heads, etc. and a case? Bloody 'ell man. If I had to do faffload amount of piping I'll just get one.
Hear me out... Take out the rubber. Put some pipe sealant like on compression fittings... And crimp it.
Pressure test it, will it leak?
Are they suitable for gas?
I hope so as my gas engineer used them with our new hob install. 😂
O ring is a different material for gas, compared to water. The fitting is colour coded "yellow" for gas. You can buy the o rings separately thus if caught short of gas fitting you can change out the o ring for correct one.
@@GeoE8 cheers👍
Looks impressive, but would like to see you use it under my bath and kitchen sink , you couldn't get the tool in.
Crimp fitting is all about quick for the plumber not what's best for the client solder is all ways best
What is the max pressure before they fail with the press fittings?
Dunno but saw the ugliest solder you ever saw (joint not cleaned, pipe too hot, burnt black flux mess all around the joint) take twelve bar on the bench from the prof wishing to show how bad it was. Hmm 😅
I use Geberit Mapress in a commercial setting. Rated to working pressures up to 16 bar.
Will likely take a lot more than that before they fail
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Fortunately I've used this equipment for many years in a commercial environment.the one thing I will stress is the marking of the fittings try to make sure a v is drawn from the end of the pipe towards the fittings reason being if there is ever a failure the company that has supplied the parts will cross cut to make sure it's been installed correctly if it hasn't then an insurance policy will become null and void thus meaning the installer will be liable for repairs and costs
Would love to hear of 1 instance where a manufacturer paid out due to a failed joint. Never going to happen.
Shame you didnt show a speed fit . Esp on a rad ..Too many new builds use speed fit but for a rad I think its ugly ..
Press is only marginally better looking than push fit. Only advantage is the internal diameter not being reduced as much. Solder will always look better though.
Press fit looks crap when you can see it it's best if you can't see it
If its hidden/not accessible, it doesn't comply with the water regs apparently but who would enforce that
But crimp looks bloody awful
Press fit are ugly and expensive but serve a purpose as do all types of fittings. Each to their own
Why not just use push fit if you're going to use press fit. The two perform similarly in pressure tests.
You wanna see push fit fittings on a rad? 🤦🏻♂️
@@paulw4904 I was thinking of the metal ones, e.g. Pegler Tectite. Would you prefer to see press fit on a rad?
@@metallitech Of course! These fittings work on a completely different principle. Pressed press-fit will hold the rad pressure even without the oring (oh yes), while pushfits rely only on the rubber. Yes, I joined the happy pressfit team and after splashing £££ on the tool and fittings, I finally sleep well after joining some old, wet pipes.
Definitely not for diyers.