Giving Tien a whole saga would be the greatest thing ever. All of the paths you mentioned would make for an extremely engaging story. Sadly, I don’t think they care enough about his character to so this. His power creep would be justified too, because he has the lineage and we’d truly see that he earned his newfound power. I could see your compassion for the character bleed through your work. Quality content.
Tien to me is by far the most powerful human, I'm glad you touch upon his mystical nature that many DB characters lack. Also your overrall presentation has gotten better, and so does your speech! Great work.
Krillin is far better fighter and much stronger than town in dragon ball super and that’s the most recent to he’s not the strongest human anymore maybe during dragon ball z the early time
Not gonna lie bro I came to check your channel after you replied to my comment about Tien with little expectation but you are pretty good. Keep up the work, I'll be here to watch you grow.
I like your analysis. Magic in DBZ is very rare, as it can easily be chalked up to just the use of Spiritual Ki or just basic ki manipulation, but that would be a very good way to make Tien even more different than how he is currently. Most of his techniques are pretty mysterious as it is, like how his Tri Beam literally eats at his own life force. Thanks for suggesting me to your channel!
Exactly! Tiens versatility really opens the door for whats possible to him and in studying him, I gained a new appreciation and perspective for his backstory and hidden potential
How Kikoho eats his own life? That not so hard to explain. Ki blasts are using Ki energy as you guess. And Ki comprises of 3 components body, vigor and mind. So master Shen taught Tien how to add extra energy to your blast and make it strong as hell for a cost of your life.
I'm glad you are giving my guy some airtime. Although under rated, he is also well utilized for a bit player for stepping in when all the chips are down to buy time for the power players to show. He may have to give up part of what he wants to become all that he can be. But that's in the writers hands now. Great channel by the way. By all means please continue
I think it'd be a breath of fresh air to see more utility based powers like this. Playing a support role in battles would not only make Tien useful, but integral to the team effort. Instead of Goku Super Saiyan - God mode - Kaioken times XXXXIV - Ultra Instinct Godzilla doing everything, we'd see the Z team using teamwork and strategy. In addition to fighting, Tien could have magical powers ranging from mater manipulation to healing or even a shared form of enhanced perception - much like battle meditation in Star Wars. The human spirit seems to have an unusual versatility that others lack. Saiyans have raw power, but some of the greatest techniques all came from humans. I've always wanted to see more creative solutions to battles in DBZ that go along with the hard training. Indeed, Tien would be a great choice for this, and so would Piccolo. Given his ability to bond with other Namekians, imagine what strange and unusual powers Piccolo could unlock were he to fuse with long lost ancient Namekians. Travelers much like himself who went to other corners of the universe. Perhaps unlocking cosmic secrets was the entire purpose of their departure from Namek in the first place - that Piccolo is but one part of a greater being similar to Slug or Guru.
There are actually some hints about last sentence. Dende telling about Guru says that all namekians are his children, But when Guru sees what happened to Piccolo/Kami , he surprisingly tells " so the son of Katas has passed", not Gurus son. Also we knew that Kami ship escaped during the start of great drought...so it is very possible that Katas was a brother of Guru, that's why Piccolo got so much potential, and thats why Nameless namekian could potentially withstand Freeza.
Very entertaining stuff man. And of course I agree totally. Tien makes too much sense as an arcane warrior using spiritual/metaphysical powers to overcome opponents that are much stronger physically. Unlocking his divine nature by having his spirit uncorrupted by Kais, Whis, or the likes of Pybara would be a no brainer if Dragonball was a good storytelling manga. All the non Vegeta/Goku Z fighters should receive Yardrat training anyway...because why not? Heck, with what's going on in the Super manga currently you could even have Tien visit Zuno and just find out exactly what he needs to do to fulfill his true potential. To add some comic relief to such a scenario, Chaotzu, Puar, and Oolong could help out by using their various powers to wheedle the information out of Zuno. I imagine an unlocked enlightened Tien would have a vastly increased life force, and given his innovative genius (that he once displayed and could again) he could invent an entire class of super powerful techniques all based around the same life force sacrificing principle as the kikoho. I'm talking massively strong barrier shields, enhanced multi form with more copies and no division of power between them, enhanced solar flare that even blinds an enemy that is shielding his eyes, long distance healing/draining/strengthening beams, space/time influencing powers. Think about all the weird powers of characters like Guldo, Babidi/Bibidi, Moro, Hit, even Chaotzu and Fortuneteller Baba. Enlightened Tien should be able to do most of if not all of these things, and more. Sorry for rambling, but I can go all day on this topic.
Thanks man! Keep up the good work, you'll be one of the big channels in no time. Oh, just thought of what the upgraded solar flare could be called. Soul flare! lol
OH, and what about the Mufaba/evil containment wave? Sheesh. Imagine Tien combining his multi form with the ECW to avoid the user risk of the technique. That's something that might be possible even with his current capabilities. And THAT relates to the niche I would be happy to see Tien have in the series. The dangerous nuisance archetype. Such characters typically don't get the glory, and enemies don't necessarily fear them, but they definitely want a dangerous nuisance safely dead and out of the way while they battle the hero protagonist. And the dangerous nuisance is crafty and talented enough avoid that. I was very annoyed that the DBS writers gave this role to Android 17 in the ToP. Why they chose to elevate THAT guy over established characters is beyond me man.
Whenever I see/hear a Tien fan I KNOW its good ish! ALL of this is things I thought he should've had ALL THESE YEARS and I'm hyped you and the comment section rock ad hard as I do with Tien. Glad to Sub and keep up the EPIC work!
tysm! very kind of you to share your thoughts and support like that! I always thought he was cool, but only after researching him did I come to develop a full appreciation for Tien like so many fans do. and boy am I glad I did! He really is an epic character and a Legend of the series that deserves recognition!
Firstly, on top of being well spoken(a factor I greatly appreciate), you have a very serene & soothing voice. Both are great qualities for any public speaker. Secondly, I completely agree that Tien(& anyone who isn't Goku or Vegeta) deserve more. I've always wondered if Tien was a human who obtained a third eye, or a natural-born triclops. But I never considered the hybrid idea, let alone any alien origins due to how diverse the species of Earth are. It's a VERY cool & interesting concept that I would love to see you delve into deeper... SO many possibilities there! I personally had gone in the direction of the third eye being a part of the Crane School training. Tien obtaining the "physical" eye, which would work much like the sharingarn. Giving him perfect perception, heightened analytical skills & the ability to strike with surgeon-like precision. And given Chiatsu's "meta-physical" eye, which is more psychic based, they were the perfect team. I could go on for days about the backstory I have in mind for these two, so I'll save that for when I start making my own content(currently in progress). Lastly, thank you for the invite to your channel! It was well worth the watch & I look forward to seeing your other videos! 👊😎👍 #TienDeservesBetter
Wow! Really appreciate you taking the time to share your insight! Thanks for your kind words and support and I wish you abundant success in the future as well!
Tien using the Time Room: My fellow Tryclops, tell my the secrets of our people! Tryclops: We were a mighty, spiritual race whose power quaked the galaxy. Tien: Yes, yes! *teary eyed* Tryclops: But then we ran into the Saiyans and they wiped out our species, rather easily. Tien: No, no!!!
Awesome job for the best Dragon Ball character! I would love a Tien centric version of that Yamcha story “DragonBall that time I got reincarnated as Yamcha”. I’ll have to check out your other videos tomorrow.
I'm glad I found your channel through the comment section of a random Tekken timeline video, throughly enjoy your content. Now I gotta ask, when is Yamcha's hidden potential video dropping?
Haha glad you could make it! You read my mind! I'm working on a few projects, and these take a while to put out, since I am a one man team. But he is definitely on my radar! Somebody's Gotta do justice by the underdogs!
Holy crap. Your comment suggesting this video to me was perfect. I loved your thinking, your voice is perfect for commentary, and this was a good representation on my favorite character. I subscribed and hit the bell. I am excited to see more and you need more subscribers #TienDeservesBetter
Great video, you have some really good ideas. Some additions Shape shifting has been available since pretty much day one, and while the Dragon Ball version doesn't increase the user's stats (though that doesn't matter at the current scale anyway) it does open up avenues by which to outwit and outmaneuver their opponents, as well as being a neat throwback to the Journey to the West. Magical weapons and armour would also be useful, just look at what Yajirobe and Trunks could do with apparently mundane weapons and how much use Goku got out of the Power Pole.
those are some pretty epic Ideas! Especially the shapeshifting idea sounds very interesting! Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts! I really appreciate it
This was a fantastic video. Might I suggest doing one for both 18 and Videl? Other than that, you hit all the right notes on Tien. I mean it was implied that he's trained all his life with a primary goal to defeat Goku. So he should be just as powerful as a Super saiyan grade 2 IMO. But nowadays, no other race of warriors are going to get any recognition or power boosts unless they're a saiyan or their name is either Goku or Vegeta.
Love to see a Tien spin off, where he gains incredible power, splits into 4 separate Tien's, 2 train in time chamber while other 2 wait, then the other 2 train while the other wait, the bond of the different times give him crazy power, also i like your idea of him being trained by gods. He's such a wasted character, what they've done to him is a joke. He got beat by ROSHI!! How stupid is that?? Roshi has been redundant since DB, Tien would be above him as much as Goku is above Tien. Hate how Kikoho is used all the time by Tien now, he has so many moves and this is like the only move the writers have him use. Disappointing.
Also even Kikoho he cant use properly. In DB Kikoho was feared, it would disintegrate Freeza soldiers like none there was, but hey its children show, so Kikoho is just fucking kinetic strike now.
Gohan's power is not even organic he had it just pulled out of him not once but twice. Tien held back semi perfect Cell and then never stopped training,it doesn't make sense that Roshi would be stronger than him in DBS.
I agree. DBS's power scaling is really all over the place. It will be interesting to see where they go with things after the Tournament Of Power. I too found it very odd that Tien has regressed so much that he is actually weaker than Roshi (now officially). I guess they would chalk it up to age but even then...Roshi is alot older than Tien
Another awesome vid as always, man! I see you are quite the goofball with some the of the memes you splashed around in this episode of Hidden Potential XP Keep up the great work, man! I really do hope your channel keeps growing!
Imagine tenshinan became the strongest dbs characters instead of vegeta or goku, that would be insane. I don't talk just bc of power, but all you explained would be so interesting to see
I always thought that if anyone on the team decided to use magic for combat it would be Piccolo, but this idea is actually awesome and it really would be a great way to push Tien back into the heavy hitter levels. I always felt when people call Krillin the most powerful human I keep looking at Tien and thinking shouldn't he be the strongest? Awesome video 😎
@@equanimity92 Hey thanks for that! 😎 I get frustrated with the show sometimes because of how the main cast are almost all relegated to commentary and Goku has to be the only person to save the day. What's the purpose of making a team of fighters if none of them can, well, fight 😅 I do want them to give more shine to the rest of the team, they don't have to close the power gap, but they could have Goku and Vegeta off somewhere else maybe another universe and the team faces new threats they can overcome. Making every villain scale to their (Goku and Vegeta) power levels just leaves the others twiddling their thumbs and spectating 😑
It would be nice if Dragonball would lay off the Saiyans and develop other characters. The franchise has been growing stagnant since Seni-perfect Cell.
Great video, Although now I'm sad to learn Tien-Mystic was not a spoiler, or cannon. Also, just a thought, but Tien multi-form was unique in the way that it splits his power, contrary to Piccolo's cloning or Cells kids. Going with what the anime says about fusion multiplying instead of adding, couldn't he do the fusion dance with his clones to power boost himself for 30 minutes? That could be cool. Also, I saw some comments saying his training alone with Chiaotzu was casual. That can't be true based on how his whole dojo came together because they thought his training was a spectacle. It's gonna be cool to see if he can ramp up his training with a whole new crew of fighters, and he should be a pretty good teacher being he's the only one to have experienced the only two martial arts masters in the world; Master Roshi and Master Shen). And just one last thought, if he does visit Baba or dies again, it would be sick if he could train against all the opponents they've defeated in hell, being as he would know about them while having the least beef, including cell who was more pompous than spiteful. Even Pikkon would be a cool sparing partner. Anyways, great video, and I'm for sure sticking around for more. Tien #1!
First and foremost, I really Appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and show your support for my Small channel! It means everything to me and its why I do what I do. Secondly, You have some excellent insight and points! Regarding Tiens' Training, I think most people who have commented criticize his decision to mainly limit himself to sparring with Chiaotzu. And this is understandable, as it seems Tien could have made much greater strides had he chosen to study with more powerful/mystical masters instead. Your last idea seems very exciting! I definitely feel there could be something to that. It really wouldnt hurt anyone to allow Tien to get some sort of power upgrade at this point. As in my opinion, its long overdue. He strangely very well may be one of the only legacy characters not to receive any sort of powerup at all. Infact this was one of the main reasons I thought I really had to make this video just to discuss some of the immense untapped potential Tien has.
DBS must do something with the humans. Tien can have a powerboost and introduce as to a new alien race that Tien comes from. Krillin and Yamcha can get some hidden earthling transformation similar to super saiyan that no one knew about cause no human reached such levels. Maybe Uub will be the first to reach this earthling transformation. Then is Master Roshi, They can give him a power boost from the thing that he drunk and became immortal from old age, they can rebrand that story and say something like the older he gets, the more potential he will have. Also they can unlock earthling powers by having the grand priest unlock their potential
Appreciate the Kind words and Support and I'm glad you enjoyed the video! 🤠👍I couldn't agree more. Tien is definitely one of the most underrated/underutilized characters in Dragon Ball. 😤Would be incredible to see him have some sort of side story arc where he is given the flowers he so rightly deserves. 🙏
Glad you enjoyed it! He really does! I was just as amazed as I did research on him. He is one of my Top Fave characters in DBZ now. Best of luck on your Fancomic and Happy Holidays!
@@turbo-vi2hh ahaha welcome back!😄 always cool to see returning viewers. Don't even sweat it, I'm sure whatever you decide to create is going to be special! 🤠👍
I came. I watched. I subscribed. I will say as some creative criticism, experiment with your style and delivery as you grow. I feel like I have seen this video before. Nothing really stands out (beyond the goddamn role model himself). Keep up the work. I know the work and dedication that goes into this so I look forward to seeing more.
Firstly, I really want to say thanks for showing your support and sharing your thoughts! Its very Kind of you! Yes, I Agree...Its a shame that we may never officially see Tien get the recognition he deserves. The more you look into his Lore, The more fascinating he becomes. He really is an excellent character.
Tien with magic is definitely the way to go. Imagine him having Janemba's space distortion techniques? No one will be able to properly land a hit- instead, they will just hit themselves lol. Lastly, that 3rd eye needs to become OP. It needs to cast a genjutsu to confuse it's enemies.
Couldn't agree more! That genjutsu idea wouldn't hurt either! haha😅 seriously though...Tien really has incredible hidden potential. Very underutilized character if you ask me
Tien Shinhan. My favorite Z Fighter. He was truly done dirty. He never even fully unlocked his third eye. He could be so much more powerful than we've seen. Sadly, we'll never see it.
I couldnt have put it any better myself. Thats why I felt I had to make this video to try and explore the possibilities surrounding his potential, because the writers of Dragon Ball wont for some reason😔
Good video my man, Tiens fighting spirit rivals that of a Saiyan which could be a dangerous combination. He would’ve been a strange 3 eyed Oozaru if he was a Saiyan
last line is beautiful. Nice theories you have here, but ...That is not even needed if Tien followed Gokus path, racing him as Tien oathed in original DB. Go to Kami, Kais, Gravity chamber, Time Chamber, whatever... There Tien could progress greatly and be like on par with Piccolo. But in contradiction to his character of master of martial arts, Tien ignores those possibilities and just stays with Chaotzu like 90% of time...Why? I dont know honestly. I love Tien , but this seems just stupid . If he cares so much about Chaotzu then just leave him in safety, with Launch or other Goku friends for example, why not? Is it because Chaotzu is forever child because he is a ghost? Or they suffered so great trauma, so they cant really join Goku friends team? I guess the only explanation is that Toriyama ignored him for economy of time. P.S. nice of you to mention this video in comments.
Firstly, I really want to say thank you for taking the time to support my small channel and video and sharing your thoughts! Secondly, you make some very good points. Its really a shame the way they handled Tien's Character development. I wish I could really give solid concrete answers to your questions - But the truth is its anyones guess as to why things got handled the way they did with Tien. Personally, I find myself preferring most of the non-saiyan characters in DBZ. They just seem alot more relatable and interesting and I really wish we could have gotten some kind of a spinoff series set in the DBZ timeline to give some of these legacy characters the shine they deserve.
I think his or the writers mistake was not upgrading his training style or seeking out new teachers. Excellent video this info needs to get to the writers.
100% I couldn't agree more. Tien doesn't seem to lack the dedication. In fact, people could even argue that his dedication is near the same level as Goku/Vegeta's when it comes to training. He just needed to study under better Masters like Goku did. Then again, maybe this was a deliberate decision to ensure that Tien doesn't rival Goku, the main character too much. But years after Goku has basically become a god (DB Super) it really sticks out like a sore thumb that guys like Tien have stayed at the same power level for so long. Btw I really appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and support and I'm glad you enjoyed the video! 👍
Appreciate the Support and I'm glad you enjoyed😁👍 man...all of the paths? forget Tien being able to hold his own, The man would be a force to be reckoned with!😳
Man... Are the people at TOEI or Toriyama not reading what people want? Every dragonball thing I see, theres always a chunk of people wanting Humans (Especially Tien) to come back as a fighter. Instead they have tunnel vision with Sayains and Mutants.
What baffles me is why wouldn't King Kai teach his techniques to the humans, Tein i can kinda get as he is all about getting stronger on his own but why couldn't the rest of them learn the Kioken. It would of made them more useful and we know that they were able to handle it as they were far stronger then Goku when he first when to King Kai
Couldn't agree more. Especially concerning the KaioKen. Its not like its a completely broken buff. Infact, its probably one of the most balanced as the user can only maintain it for very short bursts at a time. And when we see other characters getting buffs in the shape of transformations that far outclass it later on. It kinda just comes off as the writers/Goku/King Kai being a bit of a jerk for not teaching it to the others tbh. >:( dont get me started on instant transmission too
I respect Tien and believe he deserves better. But all that "trained whole life" thing is overestimated. What training regimen Tien actually have? He closed gaps between him and Goku 2-3 times training with Korin, Kami and king Kai. And then Tien got revived and there some peace time until Trunks arrives...what other guys do? Vegeta trains with 300 G, goes to Mountains and almost dies...Goku trains with Piccolo and Gohan. And what Tien does? He just trains casually with Chaotzu with a partner who is actually weaker than Tien, like significantly weaker, without any teachers or special conditions. WTF man? You didn't heard that you all gonna die in 3 years? You don't want to be any stronger than now? 10year old here is stronger than you. That is where Tienshihans dawnfall starts, that's why 17 easily chokes his neck... well just ignore that, androids defeated everyone aside Goku. Than Team wents to Outlook to wait and prepare to fight Cell, they use a time chamber to have a year of training in a day. A possibility for Tien to become relevant, no? Well when his order comes, Tien denies it. WTF? What is wrong? Did afterworld removed any steam from Tien? Goku died many times, but for Tien this is a deep trauma? And after Cell games Tien just continued to train with Chaotzu, to just keep himself in shape, i guess. That s why he is useless in Buu Saga and further..
First, I really want to say thank you for your support and taking the time to share your thoughts! You aren't wrong, alot of Tien's choices post-cell saga and even leading up to the androids saga really seem off when you compare them with his core character.
@@equanimity92 Exactly. Tien in DBZ eventually just lost his determination and resolvness, that wakes up only in desperate moment (against Cell). P.S. your welcome:)
Incredible hidden potential? You mean like grinding 24/7 only to be outpaced by Krillin, who became the most powerful human because *checks notes* he’s Goku’s best friend and got a modest power boost on Namek 20 years ago? Right.
Haha you got me with the "Checks notes" 😆seriously though... In my mind I respect both Krillin and Tien. The fact that Tien could hold off 2nd Form cell for as long as he did should prove that he was able to close the gap between him and Krillin, if not surpass it. So yes, I would tend to agree that he should at least be on par with Krillin in the current timeline if not be stronger as, he seems to have kept up with his training alot more than Krillin did. Either way you slice things...It makes absolutely Zero sense that Master Roshi can still outclass Tien all these years later in Dragon Ball Super. (despite never learning how to fly, which is a massive game changer in pitched battle) Let alone be able to keep up with so many fighters in the Tournament Of Power.
I can see what you are going for. 😆👍Wendy has quite a few potent abilities. They also vary from support roles to devastating offensive ones if I'm not mistaken. Now take that idea and add in Tien's vast fighting/martial arts abilities he has been training for years and he would definitely be a force to be reckoned with! 😎
I apologize for any confusion. Since 'posing' is the present participle form of the root word 'pose', it can mean something is being "presented" contemporaneously in a particular manner. Which is to say, at this time in the story, Tien and Chiaotzu were being depicted as Conmen in the story. By using 'posing' in this manner, I'm implying that this will not be the same state of affairs later, as from what we all know now, these 2 characters will grow and develop from this initial role into becoming more benevolent characters in the near future. Or to put it simply, my intention was to foreshadow what was to come.
Giving Tien a whole saga would be the greatest thing ever. All of the paths you mentioned would make for an extremely engaging story. Sadly, I don’t think they care enough about his character to so this.
His power creep would be justified too, because he has the lineage and we’d truly see that he earned his newfound power.
I could see your compassion for the character bleed through your work. Quality content.
tysm! very kind of you to say!
The Launch joke took me by surprise. Got a laugh out of me.
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Mah boy Tien needs more recognition.
Agree 100%! Also, congrats on blowing up! 18K subs👀😱 wuttt
Toriyama hates tien so much that these ideas couldnt happen :(
Sed but true
@Equanimity ikr
well he's gone now
@@Eduardesuper R.I.P
No, he hates Yamcha
Tien to me is by far the most powerful human, I'm glad you touch upon his mystical nature that many DB characters lack.
Also your overrall presentation has gotten better, and so does your speech! Great work.
Krillin is far better fighter and much stronger than town in dragon ball super and that’s the most recent to he’s not the strongest human anymore maybe during dragon ball z the early time
But that my opinion and we both are entitled to one that’s the cool thing about these anime especially action packed fighting ones
Goes to show how pathetic Tien is😂@@New_Sense666
Tenshinhan is the most underrated character of the DB universe and my favorite fighter at the same time. Thank you for this video buddy
Love Tien shinhan 🔥 marvellous video about my hero ,,,,,
It's only a matter of time before your channel blows up and I'll be glad to say I was a subscriber this early. Good work!
I really appreciate that. More than I can really put into words. I wish you tons of success and blessings in your life too!
I say the same.
Wow, you have a vivid imagination, buddy. Congratulations, it was very interesting to listen to.
Not gonna lie bro I came to check your channel after you replied to my comment about Tien with little expectation but you are pretty good. Keep up the work, I'll be here to watch you grow.
I like your analysis. Magic in DBZ is very rare, as it can easily be chalked up to just the use of Spiritual Ki or just basic ki manipulation, but that would be a very good way to make Tien even more different than how he is currently. Most of his techniques are pretty mysterious as it is, like how his Tri Beam literally eats at his own life force.
Thanks for suggesting me to your channel!
Exactly! Tiens versatility really opens the door for whats possible to him and in studying him, I gained a new appreciation and perspective for his backstory and hidden potential
How Kikoho eats his own life? That not so hard to explain. Ki blasts are using Ki energy as you guess. And Ki comprises of 3 components body, vigor and mind. So master Shen taught Tien how to add extra energy to your blast and make it strong as hell for a cost of your life.
I'm glad you are giving my guy some airtime. Although under rated, he is also well utilized for a bit player for stepping in when all the chips are down to buy time for the power players to show.
He may have to give up part of what he wants to become all that he can be. But that's in the writers hands now.
Great channel by the way. By all means please continue
I think it'd be a breath of fresh air to see more utility based powers like this. Playing a support role in battles would not only make Tien useful, but integral to the team effort. Instead of Goku Super Saiyan - God mode - Kaioken times XXXXIV - Ultra Instinct Godzilla doing everything, we'd see the Z team using teamwork and strategy. In addition to fighting, Tien could have magical powers ranging from mater manipulation to healing or even a shared form of enhanced perception - much like battle meditation in Star Wars. The human spirit seems to have an unusual versatility that others lack. Saiyans have raw power, but some of the greatest techniques all came from humans. I've always wanted to see more creative solutions to battles in DBZ that go along with the hard training. Indeed, Tien would be a great choice for this, and so would Piccolo.
Given his ability to bond with other Namekians, imagine what strange and unusual powers Piccolo could unlock were he to fuse with long lost ancient Namekians. Travelers much like himself who went to other corners of the universe. Perhaps unlocking cosmic secrets was the entire purpose of their departure from Namek in the first place - that Piccolo is but one part of a greater being similar to Slug or Guru.
There are actually some hints about last sentence. Dende telling about Guru says that all namekians are his children, But when Guru sees what happened to Piccolo/Kami , he surprisingly tells " so the son of Katas has passed", not Gurus son. Also we knew that Kami ship escaped during the start of great drought...so it is very possible that Katas was a brother of Guru, that's why Piccolo got so much potential, and thats why Nameless namekian could potentially withstand Freeza.
Very entertaining stuff man. And of course I agree totally. Tien makes too much sense as an arcane warrior using spiritual/metaphysical powers to overcome opponents that are much stronger physically. Unlocking his divine nature by having his spirit uncorrupted by Kais, Whis, or the likes of Pybara would be a no brainer if Dragonball was a good storytelling manga. All the non Vegeta/Goku Z fighters should receive Yardrat training anyway...because why not? Heck, with what's going on in the Super manga currently you could even have Tien visit Zuno and just find out exactly what he needs to do to fulfill his true potential. To add some comic relief to such a scenario, Chaotzu, Puar, and Oolong could help out by using their various powers to wheedle the information out of Zuno. I imagine an unlocked enlightened Tien would have a vastly increased life force, and given his innovative genius (that he once displayed and could again) he could invent an entire class of super powerful techniques all based around the same life force sacrificing principle as the kikoho. I'm talking massively strong barrier shields, enhanced multi form with more copies and no division of power between them, enhanced solar flare that even blinds an enemy that is shielding his eyes, long distance healing/draining/strengthening beams, space/time influencing powers. Think about all the weird powers of characters like Guldo, Babidi/Bibidi, Moro, Hit, even Chaotzu and Fortuneteller Baba. Enlightened Tien should be able to do most of if not all of these things, and more. Sorry for rambling, but I can go all day on this topic.
Thanks man! Keep up the good work, you'll be one of the big channels in no time. Oh, just thought of what the upgraded solar flare could be called. Soul flare! lol
OH, and what about the Mufaba/evil containment wave? Sheesh. Imagine Tien combining his multi form with the ECW
to avoid the user risk of the technique. That's something that might be possible even with his current capabilities. And THAT relates to the niche I would be happy to see Tien have in the series. The dangerous nuisance archetype. Such characters typically don't get the glory, and enemies don't necessarily fear them, but they definitely want a dangerous nuisance safely dead and out of the way while they battle the hero protagonist. And the dangerous nuisance is crafty and talented enough avoid that. I was very annoyed that the DBS writers gave this role to Android 17 in the ToP. Why they chose to elevate THAT guy over established characters is beyond me man.
This is awesome. Someone needs to make a manga of this. Let's bring it to life
Whenever I see/hear a Tien fan I KNOW its good ish! ALL of this is things I thought he should've had ALL THESE YEARS and I'm hyped you and the comment section rock ad hard as I do with Tien. Glad to Sub and keep up the EPIC work!
tysm! very kind of you to share your thoughts and support like that! I always thought he was cool, but only after researching him did I come to develop a full appreciation for Tien like so many fans do. and boy am I glad I did! He really is an epic character and a Legend of the series that deserves recognition!
@@equanimity92 couldn't have said it ANY better bro, he deserves more . I'm all for the human/mystical luv.
Wow you did my boy justice!!!! You tri beamed your way into my old tien fanboy self and for that sir you earned a new subscriber this day.
Tysm! Really appreciate it! More to come!
It took me 3 weeks too see your comment on the other things video but I love this video alot more
I'm glad you made it & that you liked it! tysm for the support and Happy Holidays!
Firstly, on top of being well spoken(a factor I greatly appreciate), you have a very serene & soothing voice. Both are great qualities for any public speaker.
Secondly, I completely agree that Tien(& anyone who isn't Goku or Vegeta) deserve more. I've always wondered if Tien was a human who obtained a third eye, or a natural-born triclops. But I never considered the hybrid idea, let alone any alien origins due to how diverse the species of Earth are. It's a VERY cool & interesting concept that I would love to see you delve into deeper... SO many possibilities there! I personally had gone in the direction of the third eye being a part of the Crane School training. Tien obtaining the "physical" eye, which would work much like the sharingarn. Giving him perfect perception, heightened analytical skills & the ability to strike with surgeon-like precision. And given Chiatsu's "meta-physical" eye, which is more psychic based, they were the perfect team. I could go on for days about the backstory I have in mind for these two, so I'll save that for when I start making my own content(currently in progress).
Lastly, thank you for the invite to your channel! It was well worth the watch & I look forward to seeing your other videos!
👊😎👍 #TienDeservesBetter
Wow! Really appreciate you taking the time to share your insight! Thanks for your kind words and support and I wish you abundant success in the future as well!
I appreciate this idea too, battle prediction like jedis ability in Starwars would be very cool, and a way to close a gap in power.
great video
Hey cool man! I saw the comment you made to mine just now, great video man!
Tien using the Time Room: My fellow Tryclops, tell my the secrets of our people!
Tryclops: We were a mighty, spiritual race whose power quaked the galaxy.
Tien: Yes, yes! *teary eyed*
Tryclops: But then we ran into the Saiyans and they wiped out our species, rather easily.
Tien: No, no!!!
My man really had me invested!😂😂 I hope it isn't true tho :/
Awesome job for the best Dragon Ball character! I would love a Tien centric version of that Yamcha story “DragonBall that time I got reincarnated as Yamcha”.
I’ll have to check out your other videos tomorrow.
I'm glad I found your channel through the comment section of a random Tekken timeline video, throughly enjoy your content. Now I gotta ask, when is Yamcha's hidden potential video dropping?
Haha glad you could make it! You read my mind! I'm working on a few projects, and these take a while to put out, since I am a one man team. But he is definitely on my radar! Somebody's Gotta do justice by the underdogs!
Holy crap. Your comment suggesting this video to me was perfect. I loved your thinking, your voice is perfect for commentary, and this was a good representation on my favorite character. I subscribed and hit the bell. I am excited to see more and you need more subscribers
#TienDeservesBetter
Tysm! those are some very inspiring words! more is on its way!!
Great video, you have some really good ideas.
Some additions
Shape shifting has been available since pretty much day one, and while the Dragon Ball version doesn't increase the user's stats (though that doesn't matter at the current scale anyway) it does open up avenues by which to outwit and outmaneuver their opponents, as well as being a neat throwback to the Journey to the West.
Magical weapons and armour would also be useful, just look at what Yajirobe and Trunks could do with apparently mundane weapons and how much use Goku got out of the Power Pole.
those are some pretty epic Ideas! Especially the shapeshifting idea sounds very interesting! Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts! I really appreciate it
@@equanimity92
Any time :)
Where are you from if I may ask? I can't quite place your accent.
This was a fantastic video. Might I suggest doing one for both 18 and Videl? Other than that, you hit all the right notes on Tien. I mean it was implied that he's trained all his life with a primary goal to defeat Goku. So he should be just as powerful as a Super saiyan grade 2 IMO. But nowadays, no other race of warriors are going to get any recognition or power boosts unless they're a saiyan or their name is either Goku or Vegeta.
Love to see a Tien spin off, where he gains incredible power, splits into 4 separate Tien's, 2 train in time chamber while other 2 wait, then the other 2 train while the other wait, the bond of the different times give him crazy power, also i like your idea of him being trained by gods.
He's such a wasted character, what they've done to him is a joke. He got beat by ROSHI!! How stupid is that?? Roshi has been redundant since DB, Tien would be above him as much as Goku is above Tien. Hate how Kikoho is used all the time by Tien now, he has so many moves and this is like the only move the writers have him use. Disappointing.
Also even Kikoho he cant use properly. In DB Kikoho was feared, it would disintegrate Freeza soldiers like none there was, but hey its children show, so Kikoho is just fucking kinetic strike now.
These Characters need more development in the series....not just saiyans
couldn't agree with you more even if I tried😤👍💯
Gohan's power is not even organic he had it just pulled out of him not once but twice. Tien held back semi perfect Cell and then never stopped training,it doesn't make sense that Roshi would be stronger than him in DBS.
I agree. DBS's power scaling is really all over the place. It will be interesting to see where they go with things after the Tournament Of Power. I too found it very odd that Tien has regressed so much that he is actually weaker than Roshi (now officially). I guess they would chalk it up to age but even then...Roshi is alot older than Tien
Another awesome vid as always, man! I see you are quite the goofball with some the of the memes you splashed around in this episode of Hidden Potential XP
Keep up the great work, man! I really do hope your channel keeps growing!
Imagine tenshinan became the strongest dbs characters instead of vegeta or goku, that would be insane. I don't talk just bc of power, but all you explained would be so interesting to see
I always thought that if anyone on the team decided to use magic for combat it would be Piccolo, but this idea is actually awesome and it really would be a great way to push Tien back into the heavy hitter levels. I always felt when people call Krillin the most powerful human I keep looking at Tien and thinking shouldn't he be the strongest? Awesome video 😎
Very well put. 🙂Tien desperately needs a bump in strength. Appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts once again!
@@equanimity92 Hey thanks for that! 😎 I get frustrated with the show sometimes because of how the main cast are almost all relegated to commentary and Goku has to be the only person to save the day. What's the purpose of making a team of fighters if none of them can, well, fight 😅 I do want them to give more shine to the rest of the team, they don't have to close the power gap, but they could have Goku and Vegeta off somewhere else maybe another universe and the team faces new threats they can overcome. Making every villain scale to their (Goku and Vegeta) power levels just leaves the others twiddling their thumbs and spectating 😑
It would be nice if Dragonball would lay off the Saiyans and develop other characters. The franchise has been growing stagnant since Seni-perfect Cell.
Great video.
Tysm for coming through! Glad you enjoyed it! More to come!
Great video, Although now I'm sad to learn Tien-Mystic was not a spoiler, or cannon.
Also, just a thought, but Tien multi-form was unique in the way that it splits his power, contrary to Piccolo's cloning or Cells kids. Going with what the anime says about fusion multiplying instead of adding, couldn't he do the fusion dance with his clones to power boost himself for 30 minutes? That could be cool.
Also, I saw some comments saying his training alone with Chiaotzu was casual. That can't be true based on how his whole dojo came together because they thought his training was a spectacle. It's gonna be cool to see if he can ramp up his training with a whole new crew of fighters, and he should be a pretty good teacher being he's the only one to have experienced the only two martial arts masters in the world; Master Roshi and Master Shen).
And just one last thought, if he does visit Baba or dies again, it would be sick if he could train against all the opponents they've defeated in hell, being as he would know about them while having the least beef, including cell who was more pompous than spiteful. Even Pikkon would be a cool sparing partner. Anyways, great video, and I'm for sure sticking around for more. Tien #1!
First and foremost, I really Appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and show your support for my Small channel! It means everything to me and its why I do what I do.
Secondly, You have some excellent insight and points! Regarding Tiens' Training, I think most people who have commented criticize his decision to mainly limit himself to sparring with Chiaotzu. And this is understandable, as it seems Tien could have made much greater strides had he chosen to study with more powerful/mystical masters instead. Your last idea seems very exciting! I definitely feel there could be something to that. It really wouldnt hurt anyone to allow Tien to get some sort of power upgrade at this point. As in my opinion, its long overdue. He strangely very well may be one of the only legacy characters not to receive any sort of powerup at all. Infact this was one of the main reasons I thought I really had to make this video just to discuss some of the immense untapped potential Tien has.
DBS must do something with the humans. Tien can have a powerboost and introduce as to a new alien race that Tien comes from. Krillin and Yamcha can get some hidden earthling transformation similar to super saiyan that no one knew about cause no human reached such levels. Maybe Uub will be the first to reach this earthling transformation. Then is Master Roshi, They can give him a power boost from the thing that he drunk and became immortal from old age, they can rebrand that story and say something like the older he gets, the more potential he will have. Also they can unlock earthling powers by having the grand priest unlock their potential
Very cool ideas! It would be incredible if they could do something like that to honor the rest of the Z-warriors!
Master roshi doesnt need power boosts
damn bro this was heat cant beleive i just found it im praying he gets his time to shine in daima tbh i see no better time #tiendeservesbetter
Appreciate the Kind words and Support and I'm glad you enjoyed the video! 🤠👍I couldn't agree more. Tien is definitely one of the most underrated/underutilized characters in Dragon Ball. 😤Would be incredible to see him have some sort of side story arc where he is given the flowers he so rightly deserves. 🙏
Really interesting video, i would make a fancomic about the other z fighters potential, tien just has a lot of mysteries
Glad you enjoyed it! He really does! I was just as amazed as I did research on him. He is one of my Top Fave characters in DBZ now. Best of luck on your Fancomic and Happy Holidays!
@@equanimity92And here i am back in this channel LOL, not too sure about the fancomic but definetly doing something
@@turbo-vi2hh ahaha welcome back!😄 always cool to see returning viewers. Don't even sweat it, I'm sure whatever you decide to create is going to be special! 🤠👍
I came. I watched. I subscribed. I will say as some creative criticism, experiment with your style and delivery as you grow. I feel like I have seen this video before. Nothing really stands out (beyond the goddamn role model himself). Keep up the work. I know the work and dedication that goes into this so I look forward to seeing more.
I appreciate the support and the constructive criticism! I will do my best to improve! Thank you
Great video I think he really is strong like u.
Tysm! I really appreciate it
@@equanimity92 No problem
I can't tell you how much I love this.
I've always aid Tien deserves more, one of my all time favorite characters.
Very well said! i couldn't agree more. Thanks for showing your support and I'm really happy you enjoyed the vid! 😁👍
good video
Nice explanation
Fan Fiction Retcon Filler Ball Z!
hehe ey man if Toei doesn't have any plans to give Tien a little more respect then its up to us fans😅
I wish more people talked about Tien like this he’s my favorite
Firstly, I really want to say thanks for showing your support and sharing your thoughts! Its very Kind of you!
Yes, I Agree...Its a shame that we may never officially see Tien get the recognition he deserves.
The more you look into his Lore, The more fascinating he becomes. He really is an excellent character.
Tien with magic is definitely the way to go. Imagine him having Janemba's space distortion techniques? No one will be able to properly land a hit- instead, they will just hit themselves lol. Lastly, that 3rd eye needs to become OP. It needs to cast a genjutsu to confuse it's enemies.
Couldn't agree more! That genjutsu idea wouldn't hurt either! haha😅 seriously though...Tien really has incredible hidden potential. Very underutilized character if you ask me
Tien Shinhan. My favorite Z Fighter. He was truly done dirty. He never even fully unlocked his third eye. He could be so much more powerful than we've seen. Sadly, we'll never see it.
I couldnt have put it any better myself. Thats why I felt I had to make this video to try and explore the possibilities surrounding his potential, because the writers of Dragon Ball wont for some reason😔
Good video my man, Tiens fighting spirit rivals that of a Saiyan which could be a dangerous combination. He would’ve been a strange 3 eyed Oozaru if he was a Saiyan
last line is beautiful. Nice theories you have here, but ...That is not even needed if Tien followed Gokus path, racing him as Tien oathed in original DB. Go to Kami, Kais, Gravity chamber, Time Chamber, whatever... There Tien could progress greatly and be like on par with Piccolo. But in contradiction to his character of master of martial arts, Tien ignores those possibilities and just stays with Chaotzu like 90% of time...Why? I dont know honestly. I love Tien , but this seems just stupid . If he cares so much about Chaotzu then just leave him in safety, with Launch or other Goku friends for example, why not? Is it because Chaotzu is forever child because he is a ghost? Or they suffered so great trauma, so they cant really join Goku friends team? I guess the only explanation is that Toriyama ignored him for economy of time.
P.S. nice of you to mention this video in comments.
Firstly, I really want to say thank you for taking the time to support my small channel and video and sharing your thoughts! Secondly, you make some very good points. Its really a shame the way they handled Tien's Character development. I wish I could really give solid concrete answers to your questions - But the truth is its anyones guess as to why things got handled the way they did with Tien. Personally, I find myself preferring most of the non-saiyan characters in DBZ. They just seem alot more relatable and interesting and I really wish we could have gotten some kind of a spinoff series set in the DBZ timeline to give some of these legacy characters the shine they deserve.
It’s actually Tenshinhan. I guess funination didn’t want to have a character named “Ten” for short.
Lol launch
Nice video
We found Launch guys, she's just been in Tien's house this entire time.
I can't be the only one who thinks so😆
I think his or the writers mistake was not upgrading his training style or seeking out new teachers. Excellent video this info needs to get to the writers.
100% I couldn't agree more. Tien doesn't seem to lack the dedication. In fact, people could even argue that his dedication is near the same level as Goku/Vegeta's when it comes to training. He just needed to study under better Masters like Goku did. Then again, maybe this was a deliberate decision to ensure that Tien doesn't rival Goku, the main character too much. But years after Goku has basically become a god (DB Super) it really sticks out like a sore thumb that guys like Tien have stayed at the same power level for so long. Btw I really appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and support and I'm glad you enjoyed the video! 👍
Bro the Launch joke was actually lowkey funny. Tho imagine if he actually uses all of the paths. How op would that be?
Appreciate the Support and I'm glad you enjoyed😁👍 man...all of the paths? forget Tien being able to hold his own, The man would be a force to be reckoned with!😳
This, i will definitely use this video for some kind of dragon ball content in the future.
Man... Are the people at TOEI or Toriyama not reading what people want? Every dragonball thing I see, theres always a chunk of people wanting Humans (Especially Tien) to come back as a fighter.
Instead they have tunnel vision with Sayains and Mutants.
Very well said! Dragonball has so many underutilized characters its crazy. If the creators wont give them the shine they deserve, its up to us fans!
Mother fuckin right Tien deserves better
He doesnt age either
Chaiozu is a vampire
Eternal undead
There has been a Magic Martial Artist.
His name is Moro from the DBS manga
If you’re reading some 20 2014 has become the ultimate booger and there’s nothing we can do besides munch down with him
What baffles me is why wouldn't King Kai teach his techniques to the humans, Tein i can kinda get as he is all about getting stronger on his own but why couldn't the rest of them learn the Kioken.
It would of made them more useful and we know that they were able to handle it as they were far stronger then Goku when he first when to King Kai
Couldn't agree more. Especially concerning the KaioKen. Its not like its a completely broken buff. Infact, its probably one of the most balanced as the user can only maintain it for very short bursts at a time. And when we see other characters getting buffs in the shape of transformations that far outclass it later on. It kinda just comes off as the writers/Goku/King Kai being a bit of a jerk for not teaching it to the others tbh. >:( dont get me started on instant transmission too
I respect Tien and believe he deserves better. But all that "trained whole life" thing is overestimated. What training regimen Tien actually have? He closed gaps between him and Goku 2-3 times training with Korin, Kami and king Kai. And then Tien got revived and there some peace time until Trunks arrives...what other guys do? Vegeta trains with 300 G, goes to Mountains and almost dies...Goku trains with Piccolo and Gohan. And what Tien does? He just trains casually with Chaotzu with a partner who is actually weaker than Tien, like significantly weaker, without any teachers or special conditions. WTF man? You didn't heard that you all gonna die in 3 years? You don't want to be any stronger than now? 10year old here is stronger than you. That is where Tienshihans dawnfall starts, that's why 17 easily chokes his neck... well just ignore that, androids defeated everyone aside Goku. Than Team wents to Outlook to wait and prepare to fight Cell, they use a time chamber to have a year of training in a day. A possibility for Tien to become relevant, no? Well when his order comes, Tien denies it. WTF? What is wrong? Did afterworld removed any steam from Tien? Goku died many times, but for Tien this is a deep trauma?
And after Cell games Tien just continued to train with Chaotzu, to just keep himself in shape, i guess. That s why he is useless in Buu Saga and further..
First, I really want to say thank you for your support and taking the time to share your thoughts! You aren't wrong, alot of Tien's choices post-cell saga and even leading up to the androids saga really seem off when you compare them with his core character.
@@equanimity92 Exactly. Tien in DBZ eventually just lost his determination and resolvness, that wakes up only in desperate moment (against Cell).
P.S. your welcome:)
Incredible hidden potential? You mean like grinding 24/7 only to be outpaced by Krillin, who became the most powerful human because *checks notes* he’s Goku’s best friend and got a modest power boost on Namek 20 years ago? Right.
Haha you got me with the "Checks notes" 😆seriously though... In my mind I respect both Krillin and Tien. The fact that Tien could hold off 2nd Form cell for as long as he did should prove that he was able to close the gap between him and Krillin, if not surpass it. So yes, I would tend to agree that he should at least be on par with Krillin in the current timeline if not be stronger as, he seems to have kept up with his training alot more than Krillin did. Either way you slice things...It makes absolutely Zero sense that Master Roshi can still outclass Tien all these years later in Dragon Ball Super. (despite never learning how to fly, which is a massive game changer in pitched battle) Let alone be able to keep up with so many fighters in the Tournament Of Power.
Tien becomes Wendy Marvel from Fairy Tail. Not a dis.
I can see what you are going for. 😆👍Wendy has quite a few potent abilities. They also vary from support roles to devastating offensive ones if I'm not mistaken. Now take that idea and add in Tien's vast fighting/martial arts abilities he has been training for years and he would definitely be a force to be reckoned with! 😎
But Tien isn’t an alien he is fully human (I think the third eye is a Buddhist thing)
"Posing as con-men" That's not how that word works. That would mean they were pretending to be con-men. They were actual con-men at the time.
I apologize for any confusion. Since 'posing' is the present participle form of the root word 'pose', it can mean something is being "presented" contemporaneously in a particular manner. Which is to say, at this time in the story, Tien and Chiaotzu were being depicted as Conmen in the story.
By using 'posing' in this manner, I'm implying that this will not be the same state of affairs later, as from what we all know now, these 2 characters will grow and develop from this initial role into becoming more benevolent characters in the near future. Or to put it simply, my intention was to foreshadow what was to come.
he's not a real person
/dbz/ pilgrimage site