So what happens if the Saiyan Saga is solved by Chiaotzu of all people and the Z-fighters return Vegeta and Nappa's "fallen comrade" Raditz to even their debts, how will Goku react to all his friends far surpassing him? You'll have to find out next time after that 2k like goal or ince this stor concludes for Patron and Channel Members ✌🏿
Honestly? I like the idea of these characters being so much stronger. Not because they'll make the story easier, but because not being underdogs forces a new perspective on their opponents. Having to see Vegeta or Frieza try to outthink the Z-fighters to get what they want, or just get out of it alive, makes for a fascinating future for this series, and I'd love to see it, especially considering how fast gaps in power can be closed if the villain knows how to train and get stronger. Frieza never trained a day in his life before his Golden Frieza achievement, and while I think him suddenly catching up to God Ki levels is absolute BS in only a few months' time, I do think that it's a perfect example of actions coming back to bite the heroes if they misjudge an adversary.
The only reason they didnt use the time chamber back in the saiyan saga was because they wanted the saiyans to be this big threat that killed the majority of the characters, since the humans were strong enough to at least be in the room for a couple of months. The idea of Yamcha and Roshi training on the time chamber is something I enjoy a lot because its a bonding moment between master and disciple.
I love the idea of the Z fighters squaring off in a team v team battle against the Ginyu Force, with Chiaotzu and Goldo having one of the more esoteric fights in the series.😊
I'm a sucker for stories like this as like humans getting stronger even if they still do fall off in most stories. I kinda wonder if the buff form could be improved in power and stamina usage. It feels like a natural progression. Human's do have inate super forms, so they have to be creative and just make up power ups. Stuff like Roshi's form and the Kaioken showed its possible.
QOTD: I say yes to the Z-Fighters getting the Ultra Divine Water, but I would save it for later, like if they have go up against Frieza and his Forces. 👍 Chiaotzu stopping the Saiyans Saga with his psychic power by putting Vegeta and Nappa to sleep is a very Toriyama ending. Love it. 👍 I knew the Z-Fighters on Earth would be stronger after the Time Chamber training, but I wasn't expecting it to be this big, especially for Gohan and Piccolo. 😮 I'm happy Gohan regrew his tail, and hoping he keeps it for the whole series. 🙂 Also, a smart idea for Gohan's training been more mental training focus while in the Time Chamber since that was a problem in canon. 👍 I'm curious about Yamcha training with Master Roshi. 🤔 Oh man, I'm really hoping both this what if and the Pigero Series hit there like goals to continue. 😁 Anyways another really good start to this new series, and looking forward to the next part soon.
Even if they don't hit the goals once they finish for patrons and channel membes the additional parts of both stories will be uploaded for everyone to enjoy eventually
Just a reminder that base Piccolo plus the nail fusion got to at least as strong as full power Frieza (likely much stronger) with just three years of training with a stronger opponent (Goku). Piccolo on his own would probably have a higher multiplier for the training than the humans. Add in a strong training partner in Gohan? 9 million might be the conservative estimate for him.
Keep in mind conservative is still a relative term here though I agree, seemed like a good place to put him with just him and Goan reaching their 'zenith' on their own so to speak.
Chiaotzu just putting them to sleep in theirs pods is hilarious. What scares me is if he pulled those to the lookout from the stratosphere, space, or where they landed.
Well to start affecting things too much greater than the size of a planet or rather outside the area of he may need a little more power than he's got currently so my view was in the moment they entered the lower atmosphere he just snagged em and yoinked em or he let them land and just didn't let them wake up from their cryo-sleep before he yoinked. Though the precedent has definitely been set that once they got within or a little more than the distance of the moon (or where it would have been) they would be up for grabs
Raditz's Power Level is 1,500, Nappa's Saibamen's Power Levels are 1,200, Nappa's Power Level is 4,000, and Vegeta's Power Level is 18,000 during the Saiyan Saga.
Kami would probably offer the water after the training. Also, if you're going with the notion they'll deal with any threats immediately, this changes the Android and Cell Saga. At least, I have an idea how it gets changed.
I love this 3000. I scared the neighbors audibly cackling when I saw Gohan and Piccolo's gains. And I am pretty sure it will be even more broken with Goku and Raditz. But then a cold chill shot through me as I was like...... " oh no.... If Dr. Gero gets data from them.... The Androids are going be beasts against them." Pretty sure the good had a "the F*ck " moment from reading Gohan before then after the chamber. Please keep up the excellent work, this is going to be an awesome story.
I would say it’s very possible that he would offer the divine water to the Z fighters, since the majority of them would likely be fine if they drunk it well some i’m not so sure should be given the water.🤔🐱
I love this what if it’s basically if the z fighter were prepared.😂 Bro imagine when they get to namek and decide to get their potential unlock, and all the humans decide to take on recoone. 😂😂😂 bro I feel so bad for the ginyu force. Imagine when they escape namek they stumbled to yardrat. Cell going to be crying in hell after his arc.
I don't think that Krillin could surpass Tien while training with him. Tien would just start training harder. He's got the drive to keep up, lol And I do believe he has more latent potentiol as well. Especially if we consider that the Crane school has the wrong way of training. As for the ultra divine water, I think it would make sense for everyone except for Gohan to drink it after the 11 months, to see if they were ready for the chamber. Good video! Edit: Oh no, The Android Arc is going to be crazy Dr Gero is going to have to focus on 17 and 18's power so much he is not going to be able to get any brainwashing in. xD Not to mention Cell with the power he is goign to get from these amped up Z fighters, and likely amped up androids.
If you ask me, they would drink the ultra divine water, with how the earth is in danger and how much it helped Goku against King Piccolo, they would go for it.
This got me thinking about how would things change if Kami could unlock people's potential like the elder on Namak. Basically Goku gets his potential unlocked after training with Kami before the last Budokai. Then the humans after training with Kami during the sayain saga.
Simple solution I would do, I would make a wish on Shenron that I would not age in the time chamber, this way I could abuse it once the limit was removed
Maybe after they're training they would drink the water, so Kami can know they are ready and strong enough that it won't kill them. Also love the GenChiaotzu
Wow, you're not messing around with those power levels. That should make things totally different. I like that someone had the gall to just go nuts like that in their what if scenario.
I love how piccolos heart grew 3 sizes that year and for kami it should be a shocker also love how you ended it with badguys in dreamland of all things
Already Love it, Yamcha most likely gets much more powerful and skilled due to having a full year of personal training with Roshi, and Raditz is Alive that speaks enough. Edit:ANdroids will be insane seeing as now Gero will Have data of Gohan who is 1000x strong than Vegeta meaning that 17 and 18 will be at bare minimum 10x their canon power
I am kind of surprised that Vegeta wasn't able to notice and then try to break free from one of the Z-Fighters' Psionic or Psychic hold over him, as Vegeta kind of did something similar when he became Majin Vegeta, but he was still able to fight off Madōshi Babidi's control over him in canon.
Everyone's gonna be in for a big shock once they meet Frieza or the Androids or Cell. That's the best part about these "Everyone is OP early," type stories, how it comes back to bite em in the ass later.
Piccolo Junior and Son Gohan really must have been training their respective asses off in the HTC in order for them to have surpassed Son Goku's Power Level of 3,000,000 from the Frieza Saga in canon.
lol, I love that master roshi is still a perv. Love the old pervy dude edit: so many people seem to forget that master roshi being a perv is actually for comic relief, and is funny.
Here's a sugestion, if you are going to start using BT3 footage, you should install the BT4 mod into the game, so that you have hd graphics and more characters, also some of the old characters have brand new moves, so, in my opinion, it's straight up better than the base game.
They should definitely all drink the ultra divine water, but one at a time. Also, with the additional one year of socializing that Piccolo is doing, maybe his evil can disappear a lot earlier.
BEFORE I TALK ABOUT THE SCALING, THIS IS A FRIENDLY DISCUSSION!!! 21:00 the reason why that doesn’t work is. Well. Just make Goku’s training in King Kai’s world 10x worse and you’ll see his poor power level. Also it’s more than just 10x earth’s gravity because of the atmospheric changes. Also, they’d probably spend most of their time adjusting to the gravity and atmospheric changes. It was torturous to a future trunks so it would take them a very long time to get used to it. They’d still grow a lot but it would start off slow. If they were stronger before going into the chamber then it’d make sense. Also, before the Time Chamber, Gohan shouldn’t be that strong. I like that you tried to use math tho. Great job and a really cool video👍🏾
Always happy for a friendly convo, however I have to disagree with your counter arguements. #1 the HBTC on earth having a gravity 10x exceeding that of earth's and its time dilation of 12 hours: 6 months are some of the only stats we get for the chamber concretely, those are indisuputeable. #2 Sure the higher the temp the smaller the absolute value of gravitation but those are fairly minute changes. Most of these characters have been slapped into mountains and blasted by massive ki blasts by now, they can survive the atmospheric changes by this point because thats only going to effect them so much, hardly has much relative effect on the gravity or else we'd have been concretely told that as well. It serves more as "steak and sizzle" as I'd like to call it for training, all shonen battle manga give one of these concepts that symbolize how harsh the training is. However if tackeled in certain logicial ways as the characters do here, like only even thinking of approaching the chamber when people like Tenshinhan are nearly as strong as kid Goku when he tried and with a training partner for safety for example. #3 Regarding growth and scaling, even if their progress is slow, they have a year and then the remainder of the month after that, thats not really a concern making this an irrelevant point on your part or just a moment where you shouldn't have typed the comment while watching the video lol. #4 Gohan is at the perfect power level for the math actually, this disconnect maybe comes in you misunderstanding the use of the term max power or my failing to place even more numbers on screen when going over this in video. Max power refers to max out put at the point of mentioning, in the canon Saiyan Saga after a year of Piccolo's training Gohan's max out put was 2,800. If he lost a momth of that training however he'd only be able to put out around the 2,500 # originally calced. Its not a statememt that Gohan's base power is just constantly at that level. Glad you liked the math though because it p much all comes from the source material lol.
@@PlusUltraMan well if we’re talking max power, we’d have to put everyone with their strongest attack. Now unless Gohan’s rage base is that strong then I understand. Gotcha. If you’re saying his max strength with Masenko then we’d have to Piccolo’s power level with his special beam cannon. Krillin’s power level with his destructive disc or kamehameha. Town’s power level with his Tri Beam. Also, young Goku barely got any gains from using the chamber so why should it be any different for them?(id want them to become a lot stronger but I realized that.) I’m just wondering if you have an answer for why young Goku didn’t grow much. Also, Future Trunks said the lack of air was intense. He’s way stronger. One more thing to note: They can’t go that deep in the chamber so they won’t get as great of gains. They’d still be broken but not insanely broken. Also, I’m not sure what points to even focus on rn cuz of my memory so I’m done for now😂
They'e be insanely broken yes, you're revealing a misunderstanding with db, mowt power levels are taken from someome's max which is usually seen when they use a named technique when these readings are done without such a thing they are always loose etimates to ball park someone.
Idk about that, a Saiyan Saga where the power scale is completely reversed and those that don't want bloodshed are the stronger may end up in a very different outcome for all the saiyans, Raditz being back is honestly pretty explicit evidence of that
I'd like to think the humans these extra precautions would also drive them to learn how to use the kaioken, everyone get's their potential unlocked, everyone would make use of Supreme Kai's potential unlock, gravity chamber, basically just make sure they're all broken to be frank.
I really hopes this backfires on the Z Warriors. They wanna get rid of the Saiyans so they get so powerful that they inadvertently make them want to STAY on Earth to get those gains too. This would be really funny tbh.
I always find it odd that Kami was as weak as he is, as Namekians seem to have very high potential. Kami in particular seems to have been training for a while.
I can understand where the power scale is coming from. But I’m kinda leaning against the Ultra Divine Water. It barely worked with Goku, who’s evil was just a lingering bloodline. The others have had actively done evil deeds, from banditry to attempted murder. I don’t think they’re ready for it. Besides, Gohan still doesn’t have the enjoyment of fighting like the others do, so that will still hold him back. But regardless, I look forward to part 2!! (And waiting on part 4 for Masako’s Yajirobe what if.)
On the UDW question I'd say not. The Time chamber _is_ perilous, but with the strength wisdom and determination of warriors such as these its challenge can be overcome. And the results of their efforts depend on their own input. The Ultra Divine Water on the other hand is a coin toss with death for a finite and indeterminate power boost. Doubly dangerous for Krillin and Chiaotsu since they can't be brought back at this point.
1. 9:45 - Yes! The Ultra Divine Water would be used. 2. 10:05 - Yajirobe has always been the strongest human, including Tien, Z-fighter before this. Why change that when he is taking his training seriously?! The only human stronger than him before Kami's training is Ox King, who was the strongest character in the series before Raditz! 3. Please continue! 4. More Requests: What if: Bulma trained under Puar & Baba? King Kai had a time chamber?
Yajirobe was overtly surpassed by everyone by the time of the 23rd Tournament and then beyond it this continued to be true, he was only second to last place by the time of the saiyans in canon, his laziness is his downfall so even with his potential unless his entire character does a 180 that cannot change. His entire character didn't do a 180 here. Also Ox King Movie pamphlet power level is NON-canon, irrelevant to the discussion.
@@PlusUltraMan Fair enough if slightly disappointing for Yajirobe, but the pamphlet was made by Akira Toriyama, so it should still be considered despite being non-canon. It doesn’t affect this story, but there’s no reason not to believe that he’s that strong in canon.
@@PlusUltraMan I just noticed this, but shouldn't his full potential being unlocked by Guru mean that at that time his Power Level shouldn't be higher than that at any point prior.
One good reason for not using the chamber: they didn’t need to. Unlike Cell who (besides Super Vegeta) always outclassed the Saiyans and was nearing perfection, they had 1 year before the Saiyans arrived. They didn’t need to rush things like they did with Cell.
Nappa: Vegeta, what does the scouter say about the green mans power level? Vegeta: It's 1,000 times over 9000!!! Nappa: ...we're not getting pandas, are we?
That math is blowing my mind, like Tony Stark when he was talking to Star Lord in the Avengers, right now. However, you're wrong on Gohan, his resting power lvl against the Saiyans. According to Nappa's scouter reading, Gohan was at about 980 when resting, THEN jumped to 2,800 once he went into rage mode.
Right, meaning 2,800 was his full power at the time. That's why its the number listed among everyone else's in the saiyan saga power levels of daizenshu instead of 980, nothing incorrect about it especially when his feats in the saiyan saga are more consistent with 2800 than 980.
@@PlusUltraMan Right, but the 2800 figure isn't what my disagreement is, it's saying that Gohan's relaxed power was 1, which was not the case at that time. It was 980.
I think one of us is misunderstanding the terminology here or perhaps I misuded the terminology relaxed, 980 was his non tage boosted power, meaning his non true full power, its a throwaway number to explain why he isn't dominating at all times when he isn't angry.
Honestly I like DBZ theory shows where all the other characters are actually utilized. I really don't like it when it's just Goku and Vegeta and I would love to see a whole what if series if all the DBZ fighters were given actual respect
Absolutely all of the Z-Fighters who had trained in the HTC might have done absolutely everything in their power to have increased their respective Power Levels as much as possible in this Alternate Timeline for them to have far, FAR surpassed Son Goku's Power Level of somewhat over 8,000 from canon.
Personally, with one wish revive Goku and teleport him to this location then they didn’t think about that when they were bringing Piccolo to namik. it technically can be done in one. Wish if you do it right.
I kinda want to nitpick at the powerscaling, but trying to find reason and structure in the ridiculous power creep of Dragon Ball is pretty much impossible. My attempts led me to conclude that one year of training in the time chamber would probably grant a boost of at least 10x, but possibly as high as 1000x, if not even higher than that, so while the calculations presented don't exactly sit right with me, I can't really say that the results are wrong.
Outside of everyone but Gohan, the chamber wasn't gonna break the narrative as hard as it did. Piccolo's max power for the Saiyans would have only ended up being 267,000. Still eay more than max power Great Ape Vegeta mind you but not so busted that even Frieza would need to try to win against him. Krillin alone is almost perfect because after a year of training for the saiyans and getting to namek to have his potenial unlocked he hit 75,000 in canon. Doubke that is 150,000 and he was actually a lot less than that so it lends creedence to the idea that these are fairly attainable power scales if the characters went through most of the original year of training than the bit more. Gohan's potential is what's broken in all honesty. If Piccolo got 2 years instead of 1 to tougen him up he'd undeniably start to master his true potential faster and would develop a better foundation as a warrior sooner, I'm just accurately reflecting that in his new scaling and taking Piccolo along for the ride because why not?
Technically speaking Master Roshi's full-powered form is 16 times stronger than his base form he probably could have increased it to 20 if he really knew how strong he was so even without training he actually would have been more than strong enough to go into a hyperbolic Time Chamber and train with them in his full-powered form
So what happens if the Saiyan Saga is solved by Chiaotzu of all people and the Z-fighters return Vegeta and Nappa's "fallen comrade" Raditz to even their debts, how will Goku react to all his friends far surpassing him? You'll have to find out next time after that 2k like goal or ince this stor concludes for Patron and Channel Members ✌🏿
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Yo, this story is dope 👌
We got the 2k likes let's get s part 2!!
Missed opportunity to have Chiaotzu force choke the Saiyans into submission.
“I find your lack of power disappointing.”
Maybe once they wake up and realize their dream is actually a nightmare lol
Honestly? I like the idea of these characters being so much stronger. Not because they'll make the story easier, but because not being underdogs forces a new perspective on their opponents. Having to see Vegeta or Frieza try to outthink the Z-fighters to get what they want, or just get out of it alive, makes for a fascinating future for this series, and I'd love to see it, especially considering how fast gaps in power can be closed if the villain knows how to train and get stronger.
Frieza never trained a day in his life before his Golden Frieza achievement, and while I think him suddenly catching up to God Ki levels is absolute BS in only a few months' time, I do think that it's a perfect example of actions coming back to bite the heroes if they misjudge an adversary.
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The timeline where Chiaotzu solos the Saiyan Saga. Truly the craziest what if you've made yet.
I think the Oolong one is still a bit more out there
Bruh spoilers, your comment is the displayed comment on the phone ver of YT 😅
It's gotta be to make up for the Time I Reincarnated as Yamcha comic.
@@PlusUltraManmake Oolong a vanish God, like Thor that would make it possible.
Thanks for spoiling it before it even started
The only reason they didnt use the time chamber back in the saiyan saga was because they wanted the saiyans to be this big threat that killed the majority of the characters, since the humans were strong enough to at least be in the room for a couple of months.
The idea of Yamcha and Roshi training on the time chamber is something I enjoy a lot because its a bonding moment between master and disciple.
The only reason they didn't use the time chamber was because it Toriyama didn't invent it yet lol
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Ultra divine water Inwodunt be suprised if yajirobe drinked it on acident in the five years betwen picolo.jr and sayian saga
I love the idea of the Z fighters squaring off in a team v team battle against the Ginyu Force, with Chiaotzu and Goldo having one of the more esoteric fights in the series.😊
I'm a sucker for stories like this as like humans getting stronger even if they still do fall off in most stories. I kinda wonder if the buff form could be improved in power and stamina usage. It feels like a natural progression. Human's do have inate super forms, so they have to be creative and just make up power ups. Stuff like Roshi's form and the Kaioken showed its possible.
I'd like to think Kami would at least would offer the ultra divine water to whomever would b willing to drink it.
Does seem more likely than him just trusting everuone is prepared already
isn't it literally just poison though? or was that a fan theory i've accepted as fact?
@ModelOmegaTyler it's just a theory but I think yajarobi says something like that in the show because nobody had ever survived drinking it.
@@MrBusrunner alright then.
@@MrBusrunnerno one knows if was zenkai boost but that wasnt a thing till z
QOTD: I say yes to the Z-Fighters getting the Ultra Divine Water, but I would save it for later, like if they have go up against Frieza and his Forces. 👍
Chiaotzu stopping the Saiyans Saga with his psychic power by putting Vegeta and Nappa to sleep is a very Toriyama ending. Love it. 👍 I knew the Z-Fighters on Earth would be stronger after the Time Chamber training, but I wasn't expecting it to be this big, especially for Gohan and Piccolo. 😮 I'm happy Gohan regrew his tail, and hoping he keeps it for the whole series. 🙂 Also, a smart idea for Gohan's training been more mental training focus while in the Time Chamber since that was a problem in canon. 👍 I'm curious about Yamcha training with Master Roshi. 🤔 Oh man, I'm really hoping both this what if and the Pigero Series hit there like goals to continue. 😁 Anyways another really good start to this new series, and looking forward to the next part soon.
Even if they don't hit the goals once they finish for patrons and channel membes the additional parts of both stories will be uploaded for everyone to enjoy eventually
Just a reminder that base Piccolo plus the nail fusion got to at least as strong as full power Frieza (likely much stronger) with just three years of training with a stronger opponent (Goku).
Piccolo on his own would probably have a higher multiplier for the training than the humans. Add in a strong training partner in Gohan?
9 million might be the conservative estimate for him.
Keep in mind conservative is still a relative term here though I agree, seemed like a good place to put him with just him and Goan reaching their 'zenith' on their own so to speak.
Ok I want to see more of this! This would be Vegetas and Nappa’s worse nightmare! And even Friezas! You earned yourself my like of this video
Chiaotzu just putting them to sleep in theirs pods is hilarious. What scares me is if he pulled those to the lookout from the stratosphere, space, or where they landed.
Well to start affecting things too much greater than the size of a planet or rather outside the area of he may need a little more power than he's got currently so my view was in the moment they entered the lower atmosphere he just snagged em and yoinked em or he let them land and just didn't let them wake up from their cryo-sleep before he yoinked. Though the precedent has definitely been set that once they got within or a little more than the distance of the moon (or where it would have been) they would be up for grabs
Raditz's Power Level is 1,500, Nappa's Saibamen's Power Levels are 1,200, Nappa's Power Level is 4,000, and Vegeta's Power Level is 18,000 during the Saiyan Saga.
Vegeta being bitch slapped by Chiatzu. A wonderful sight.
Gohan straight up being able of soloing everyone up to Freeza's 3rd form is hilarious and i cant wait to see any arc past this.
Kami would probably offer the water after the training. Also, if you're going with the notion they'll deal with any threats immediately, this changes the Android and Cell Saga. At least, I have an idea how it gets changed.
Really hope to see this continue. The group being more proactive is interesting. Id say go for the Ultra Divine Water so we can see the humans go far.
I love this 3000. I scared the neighbors audibly cackling when I saw Gohan and Piccolo's gains. And I am pretty sure it will be even more broken with Goku and Raditz. But then a cold chill shot through me as I was like...... " oh no.... If Dr. Gero gets data from them.... The Androids are going be beasts against them." Pretty sure the good had a "the F*ck " moment from reading Gohan before then after the chamber.
Please keep up the excellent work, this is going to be an awesome story.
Piccolo isn't the demon here. Gohan is.
I would say it’s very possible that he would offer the divine water to the Z fighters, since the majority of them would likely be fine if they drunk it well some i’m not so sure should be given the water.🤔🐱
I love this what if it’s basically if the z fighter were prepared.😂
Bro imagine when they get to namek and decide to get their potential unlock, and all the humans decide to take on recoone. 😂😂😂 bro I feel so bad for the ginyu force.
Imagine when they escape namek they stumbled to yardrat.
Cell going to be crying in hell after his arc.
I don't think that Krillin could surpass Tien while training with him. Tien would just start training harder. He's got the drive to keep up, lol And I do believe he has more latent potentiol as well. Especially if we consider that the Crane school has the wrong way of training.
As for the ultra divine water, I think it would make sense for everyone except for Gohan to drink it after the 11 months, to see if they were ready for the chamber.
Good video!
Edit: Oh no, The Android Arc is going to be crazy Dr Gero is going to have to focus on 17 and 18's power so much he is not going to be able to get any brainwashing in. xD Not to mention Cell with the power he is goign to get from these amped up Z fighters, and likely amped up androids.
And raditz back baby !!!
Ah man I was not expecting that Chiaotzu twist, perfectly done haha
If you ask me, they would drink the ultra divine water, with how the earth is in danger and how much it helped Goku against King Piccolo, they would go for it.
This got me thinking about how would things change if Kami could unlock people's potential like the elder on Namak. Basically Goku gets his potential unlocked after training with Kami before the last Budokai. Then the humans after training with Kami during the sayain saga.
Damn plus ultra man actually made kami useful
I love when the other z fighters get to shine! Ultra Devine water and potential unlocks for the win!🎉
Simple solution I would do, I would make a wish on Shenron that I would not age in the time chamber, this way I could abuse it once the limit was removed
So just immortality? Gotcha lol
@@PlusUltraMan not exactly, just no aging in the time chamber
Kami definitely would've given the ultra divine water just to be careful
Maybe after they're training they would drink the water, so Kami can know they are ready and strong enough that it won't kill them.
Also love the GenChiaotzu
Wow, you're not messing around with those power levels.
That should make things totally different. I like that someone had the gall to just go nuts like that in their what if scenario.
I love how piccolos heart grew 3 sizes that year and for kami it should be a shocker also love how you ended it with badguys in dreamland of all things
Plus Ultra Man, thank you very much for making yet another absolutely awesome Alternate Timeline.
Gohan's about to fold Frieza like LAUNDRY
W video, feels nostalgic watching these videos after 5 or so yrs
Already Love it, Yamcha most likely gets much more powerful and skilled due to having a full year of personal training with Roshi, and Raditz is Alive that speaks enough.
Edit:ANdroids will be insane seeing as now Gero will Have data of Gohan who is 1000x strong than Vegeta meaning that 17 and 18 will be at bare minimum 10x their canon power
I am kind of surprised that Vegeta wasn't able to notice and then try to break free from one of the Z-Fighters' Psionic or Psychic hold over him, as Vegeta kind of did something similar when he became Majin Vegeta, but he was still able to fight off Madōshi Babidi's control over him in canon.
Everyone's gonna be in for a big shock once they meet Frieza or the Androids or Cell. That's the best part about these "Everyone is OP early," type stories, how it comes back to bite em in the ass later.
Cell is what I'm really looking forward to, not to say Frieza won't be very interested in what Vegeta is currenlty up to as well
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If they got stronger, so will the Cyborgs.
@@shinigamiphantom1391 Needing to make stronger minions also likely means that it will take longer for the android saga to begin, too.
@@Coid
Depending on how story will progress from here. Frieza might be left alone if there's no need for Namek.
Piccolo Junior and Son Gohan really must have been training their respective asses off in the HTC in order for them to have surpassed Son Goku's Power Level of 3,000,000 from the Frieza Saga in canon.
ANDRIODS bout to be strong asf
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lol, I love that master roshi is still a perv. Love the old pervy dude
edit: so many people seem to forget that master roshi being a perv is actually for comic relief, and is funny.
woot! radditz
This Gohan would be fire🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Here's a sugestion, if you are going to start using BT3 footage, you should install the BT4 mod into the game, so that you have hd graphics and more characters, also some of the old characters have brand new moves, so, in my opinion, it's straight up better than the base game.
I have the mod, just didn't have a reason to use it for this, also depends on which version you get.
Really enjoyed this story bro and definitely want to see the next chapter. Keep up the great work and see you at the next one. Peace
The humans getting a dub all on their own makes me smile man
This story is shaping up to be one of my favorites. I'm eagerly awaiting part 2 and beyond. You've earned another subscriber
Amazing Video 🔥🔥🔥
Glad you enjoyed friend ✌🏿
@Plus Ultra Man I always do man
Already waiting for part 2
Let’s go the most insane route. Divine water + gravity training to namek + guru unlocked + more time chamber before androids
Hell yeah! Let's go!
finally a human zfighter what if
I like how you put the Dragon Ball music in the background.
They should definitely all drink the ultra divine water, but one at a time. Also, with the additional one year of socializing that Piccolo is doing, maybe his evil can disappear a lot earlier.
Popo: "They most likely wouldn't have survived. I threw Goku in there once when he was a child."
Goku: *non-chalantly* "I almost died."
Popo: "Mmm..."
Can't wait for next part
BEFORE I TALK ABOUT THE SCALING, THIS IS A FRIENDLY DISCUSSION!!!
21:00 the reason why that doesn’t work is. Well. Just make Goku’s training in King Kai’s world 10x worse and you’ll see his poor power level. Also it’s more than just 10x earth’s gravity because of the atmospheric changes. Also, they’d probably spend most of their time adjusting to the gravity and atmospheric changes. It was torturous to a future trunks so it would take them a very long time to get used to it. They’d still grow a lot but it would start off slow. If they were stronger before going into the chamber then it’d make sense. Also, before the Time Chamber, Gohan shouldn’t be that strong. I like that you tried to use math tho. Great job and a really cool video👍🏾
Always happy for a friendly convo, however I have to disagree with your counter arguements. #1 the HBTC on earth having a gravity 10x exceeding that of earth's and its time dilation of 12 hours: 6 months are some of the only stats we get for the chamber concretely, those are indisuputeable. #2 Sure the higher the temp the smaller the absolute value of gravitation but those are fairly minute changes. Most of these characters have been slapped into mountains and blasted by massive ki blasts by now, they can survive the atmospheric changes by this point because thats only going to effect them so much, hardly has much relative effect on the gravity or else we'd have been concretely told that as well. It serves more as "steak and sizzle" as I'd like to call it for training, all shonen battle manga give one of these concepts that symbolize how harsh the training is. However if tackeled in certain logicial ways as the characters do here, like only even thinking of approaching the chamber when people like Tenshinhan are nearly as strong as kid Goku when he tried and with a training partner for safety for example. #3 Regarding growth and scaling, even if their progress is slow, they have a year and then the remainder of the month after that, thats not really a concern making this an irrelevant point on your part or just a moment where you shouldn't have typed the comment while watching the video lol. #4 Gohan is at the perfect power level for the math actually, this disconnect maybe comes in you misunderstanding the use of the term max power or my failing to place even more numbers on screen when going over this in video. Max power refers to max out put at the point of mentioning, in the canon Saiyan Saga after a year of Piccolo's training Gohan's max out put was 2,800. If he lost a momth of that training however he'd only be able to put out around the 2,500 # originally calced. Its not a statememt that Gohan's base power is just constantly at that level.
Glad you liked the math though because it p much all comes from the source material lol.
@@PlusUltraMan well if we’re talking max power, we’d have to put everyone with their strongest attack. Now unless Gohan’s rage base is that strong then I understand. Gotcha. If you’re saying his max strength with Masenko then we’d have to Piccolo’s power level with his special beam cannon. Krillin’s power level with his destructive disc or kamehameha. Town’s power level with his Tri Beam. Also, young Goku barely got any gains from using the chamber so why should it be any different for them?(id want them to become a lot stronger but I realized that.) I’m just wondering if you have an answer for why young Goku didn’t grow much. Also, Future Trunks said the lack of air was intense. He’s way stronger. One more thing to note: They can’t go that deep in the chamber so they won’t get as great of gains. They’d still be broken but not insanely broken. Also, I’m not sure what points to even focus on rn cuz of my memory so I’m done for now😂
They'e be insanely broken yes, you're revealing a misunderstanding with db, mowt power levels are taken from someome's max which is usually seen when they use a named technique when these readings are done without such a thing they are always loose etimates to ball park someone.
GAWD DANG I really underestimated what the time chamber could do.
THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME ! KEEP THE SERIES GOING PLS ❤
this is a little TOO good compare to how I expected it to be
Oh well. Vegeta and nappa ain't gonna do crap
Glad you enjoyed!
Idk about that, a Saiyan Saga where the power scale is completely reversed and those that don't want bloodshed are the stronger may end up in a very different outcome for all the saiyans, Raditz being back is honestly pretty explicit evidence of that
I cant wait for next part! subbed!
I'd like to think the humans these extra precautions would also drive them to learn how to use the kaioken, everyone get's their potential unlocked, everyone would make use of Supreme Kai's potential unlock, gravity chamber, basically just make sure they're all broken to be frank.
12:45 honestly roshi is kinda a real one for this
Yes more of this lmao please!!! Break the Canon as much as you want this is fire
I really hopes this backfires on the Z Warriors. They wanna get rid of the Saiyans so they get so powerful that they inadvertently make them want to STAY on Earth to get those gains too.
This would be really funny tbh.
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I always find it odd that Kami was as weak as he is, as Namekians seem to have very high potential. Kami in particular seems to have been training for a while.
This should be a fun timeline. I'm curious what's next for z fighters. This could be problematic though when the androids come around.
I can understand where the power scale is coming from. But I’m kinda leaning against the Ultra Divine Water. It barely worked with Goku, who’s evil was just a lingering bloodline. The others have had actively done evil deeds, from banditry to attempted murder. I don’t think they’re ready for it.
Besides, Gohan still doesn’t have the enjoyment of fighting like the others do, so that will still hold him back.
But regardless, I look forward to part 2!!
(And waiting on part 4 for Masako’s Yajirobe what if.)
On the UDW question I'd say not.
The Time chamber _is_ perilous, but with the strength wisdom and determination of warriors such as these its challenge can be overcome. And the results of their efforts depend on their own input.
The Ultra Divine Water on the other hand is a coin toss with death for a finite and indeterminate power boost. Doubly dangerous for Krillin and Chiaotsu since they can't be brought back at this point.
The way i can see the humans keeping up is they become androids then learn kioken.
This could allow them to still be powerful in super
Broooo. Keep it going 💯😁
I would love to see this continue.
1. 9:45 - Yes! The Ultra Divine Water would be used.
2. 10:05 - Yajirobe has always been the strongest human, including Tien, Z-fighter before this. Why change that when he is taking his training seriously?! The only human stronger than him before Kami's training is Ox King, who was the strongest character in the series before Raditz!
3. Please continue!
4. More Requests: What if:
Bulma trained under Puar & Baba?
King Kai had a time chamber?
Yajirobe was overtly surpassed by everyone by the time of the 23rd Tournament and then beyond it this continued to be true, he was only second to last place by the time of the saiyans in canon, his laziness is his downfall so even with his potential unless his entire character does a 180 that cannot change. His entire character didn't do a 180 here. Also Ox King Movie pamphlet power level is NON-canon, irrelevant to the discussion.
@@PlusUltraMan Fair enough if slightly disappointing for Yajirobe, but the pamphlet was made by Akira Toriyama, so it should still be considered despite being non-canon. It doesn’t affect this story, but there’s no reason not to believe that he’s that strong in canon.
@@PlusUltraMan I just noticed this, but shouldn't his full potential being unlocked by Guru mean that at that time his Power Level shouldn't be higher than that at any point prior.
One good reason for not using the chamber: they didn’t need to.
Unlike Cell who (besides Super Vegeta) always outclassed the Saiyans and was nearing perfection, they had 1 year before the Saiyans arrived. They didn’t need to rush things like they did with Cell.
Missed these vids man
Fantastic story bro I really hope you continue it
PLZ make sure more parts ❤❤❤
See you after that like goal or once the story finishes for patrons, I'm thinking it shall be relatively short
Dr. Gero looks at this in disbelief. "What! How the blazes did they get so powerful! They've only been gone for a day!"
I love you stuff. It's not grounded or like.. realistic to the story, but fugg it. I'm here for it
impressive and yes ultra divine water would help them all in kamis view
So Gohan had an extra year learning to Dodge! then. Lol😂
Yes exactly that, the ultimate power
Awesome vid!
Nappa: Vegeta, what does the scouter say about the green mans power level?
Vegeta: It's 1,000 times over 9000!!!
Nappa: ...we're not getting pandas, are we?
Great storyline, very creative... but the powerscaling is WILD
Its accurate accurate and source material based lol
@Plus Ultra Man I mean I can see how you did it, but there's definitely some flaws too it
Okie dokie
That math is blowing my mind, like Tony Stark when he was talking to Star Lord in the Avengers, right now. However, you're wrong on Gohan, his resting power lvl against the Saiyans. According to Nappa's scouter reading, Gohan was at about 980 when resting, THEN jumped to 2,800 once he went into rage mode.
Right, meaning 2,800 was his full power at the time. That's why its the number listed among everyone else's in the saiyan saga power levels of daizenshu instead of 980, nothing incorrect about it especially when his feats in the saiyan saga are more consistent with 2800 than 980.
@@PlusUltraMan Right, but the 2800 figure isn't what my disagreement is, it's saying that Gohan's relaxed power was 1, which was not the case at that time. It was 980.
I think one of us is misunderstanding the terminology here or perhaps I misuded the terminology relaxed, 980 was his non tage boosted power, meaning his non true full power, its a throwaway number to explain why he isn't dominating at all times when he isn't angry.
@@PlusUltraMan Ok, I got u
Wow a world where Saiyan Saga Piccolo and Gohan to mollywop 2nd form Frieza. I'm impressed
Honestly I like DBZ theory shows where all the other characters are actually utilized. I really don't like it when it's just Goku and Vegeta and I would love to see a whole what if series if all the DBZ fighters were given actual respect
This shit beautiful part 2 please🖤💐
I agree with Piccolo. Chiatzu does hold Tien back as a training partner.
Love this visual style alot. Bt3 is dope
I want a sequel !
Absolutely all of the Z-Fighters who had trained in the HTC might have done absolutely everything in their power to have increased their respective Power Levels as much as possible in this Alternate Timeline for them to have far, FAR surpassed Son Goku's Power Level of somewhat over 8,000 from canon.
Personally, with one wish revive Goku and teleport him to this location then they didn’t think about that when they were bringing Piccolo to namik. it technically can be done in one. Wish if you do it right.
Is there more of this on the patreon already?
Nit just yet
@@PlusUltraMan Lemme know about it. Do you have concluded patreon exlcusive content?
Chiaotzu sweep, man, hype ending
I imagine after this goku would go in the chamber for a year.
Certainly possible
I kinda want to nitpick at the powerscaling, but trying to find reason and structure in the ridiculous power creep of Dragon Ball is pretty much impossible. My attempts led me to conclude that one year of training in the time chamber would probably grant a boost of at least 10x, but possibly as high as 1000x, if not even higher than that, so while the calculations presented don't exactly sit right with me, I can't really say that the results are wrong.
Outside of everyone but Gohan, the chamber wasn't gonna break the narrative as hard as it did. Piccolo's max power for the Saiyans would have only ended up being 267,000. Still eay more than max power Great Ape Vegeta mind you but not so busted that even Frieza would need to try to win against him. Krillin alone is almost perfect because after a year of training for the saiyans and getting to namek to have his potenial unlocked he hit 75,000 in canon. Doubke that is 150,000 and he was actually a lot less than that so it lends creedence to the idea that these are fairly attainable power scales if the characters went through most of the original year of training than the bit more. Gohan's potential is what's broken in all honesty. If Piccolo got 2 years instead of 1 to tougen him up he'd undeniably start to master his true potential faster and would develop a better foundation as a warrior sooner, I'm just accurately reflecting that in his new scaling and taking Piccolo along for the ride because why not?
Technically speaking Master Roshi's full-powered form is 16 times stronger than his base form he probably could have increased it to 20 if he really knew how strong he was so even without training he actually would have been more than strong enough to go into a hyperbolic Time Chamber and train with them in his full-powered form
Yeah it's funny to think about though because even when you low ball the multiplier it means roshi could have probably beaten radditz
Gohan Boosted to android saga at 6 😂this story is wild