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Minimal interest in them, unless the reviews are glowing. What is telling is I have had more conversations about Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings since the finale of Game of Thrones than Game of Thrones itself. The only conversations I have had about Game of Thrones are how much everyone loved it and how now nobody cares about it. Maybe in a few years they will do a reboot of Game of Thrones once the books are finished and stay truer to the books.
I had a WhatsApp group dedicated to GoT, it was popular during each run. It says everything that the last message 2 years ago was "well, that was s**t."
*The problem with Game of Thrones is it started off like a Medieval period drama, turned into a high fantasy epic and ended up like a superhero soap opera.*
@@guitarherops31 it felt like if Michael Bay and Tommy Wiseau were running a day time soap opera while drunk with a big budget, little time and not a care in the world.
@@victoriaacruz2083 true, I felt betrayed and disgusted. "All this for this?!?!" Really felt like they built up characters, stories for 6 seasons... And forgot about it at the end. Used to be so much angry. Now I don't care about the show and its universe. The name won't attract me to anything. It's the only show I've watched I never want to see again. I'm just reminded of it when I see the actors in other things.
Yeah I don't really find myself wanting to go back and rewatch it and I was obsessed with it. But there are some sitcoms and other shows that I have rewatched a few times. I just don't find I have a need for coming back to that universe at all
@@sabrinaa3758 as long as you you all keep talking about it, it doesn't matter that's all the publicity HBO wants. That will build hype for House Of The Dragon
The first two episodes were good actually. Even though I was constantly awaiting something to happen. But in the following episodes I was just thinking "wtf is happening here"? Until the final episode when i swore myself never to touch some ice and fire stuff again in my whole lifetime. So here you´ve got your looooong winter in the song of kiss my ass and leave me alone.
I rewatched it recently just because my boyfriend didn’t when it premiered and it was amazing until the last two seasons. Getting disappointed by the ending once again truly sucked.
i recently rewatched 6,7 and 8. 6 was much better than i remembered. the last 2 eps were among the best ever. 7 was bad, 8 was worse. also, there was so much build up to jon's biological parents and then it went nowhere. he was exiled for executing a mass murderer? i never liked her anyway!
@@rainman4494 I could listen to that man rip and tear into any movie or show, but the GOT ones are top tier. You can hear the passion in his frustration and disappointment.
I can’t imagine how pissed HBO must be at DnD. They took HBO’s cash cow for the next 20 years, pissed on it, took a dump on it, then lit it on fire. They completely checked out in that last season.
What I don't understand is how those pricks nearly got signed to do an entire Star Wars trilogy on the back of that, only they turned it down to accept some even better offer from Netflix. Like, who the fuck is wanting to work with these guys?
@@SamuelKristopher Star Wars pretty much fired them I thought, they didn’t pass on it. And who passes on a Star Wars trilogy. If they did pass it’s because they know all they can do is make adaptations and they are dog shit at original writing.
@@ImperatorCaracalla I thought that might have been the case, but considering my low opinion of Disney and Kennedy at the time, I didn't put it past them to hire DnD thinking that they were the new hotstuff.
@@SamuelKristopher 100% I think that was the case until Disney saw the dumpster fire that was season 7 and 8 and decided they didn’t want any part of that. That was the irony was that they rushed the finale of game of thrones to work on Star Wars and the product they put out cost them Star Wars. I’m happy, Star Wars couldn’t afford another disaster.
HBO celebrating the legacy of Game of Thrones after its last season feels like if Wall Street were to celebrate the anniversary of the 1929 stock market crash
@@nunouno001 ...You know the stock market crash was Black TUESDAY, right? Black Friday is called that because traditionally it's when stores would "get in the black", ie make more money than their costs
I think once more of the audience has time to get over feeling tricked and realize that Game of Thrones is actually a _deconstruction_ of fantasy stories-- --It won't matter one bit. After all, there are still people who can't figure out that Robocop and Starship Troopers are satire.
You can time the exact moment when GoT writing went to hell: It's when Tyrion Lannister stopped having good lines. He just suddenly stopped being clever. He just stood around staring.
There's a saying that you can't write characters smarter than yourself. It would explain why all the smart characters got dumb when Dumb and Dumber were left to themselves.
@Isai Gonzalez I think I know why you liked it. You're using the copy paste function in this comment section almost as much as DnD did for Jons dialogue.
yeah. i feel the exact same way. i always felt so excited to be able to rewatch it all in a single binge week like you can with better shows, but now that i know how shitty it ends... i just can't bring myself to do it
Honestly Hollywood really fucks the order up... I feel like I'm much more forgiving of a movie or show with a satisfying ending than I am of one that attempted to entertain me emptily.
HBO has hopefully learnt a very important lesson. Brilliant actors, highly talented, innovative crew, enormous budget, fantastic special effects, gorgeous locations, and an amazing story are not enough if the writers are hacks who treat the viewers with contempt.
Meanwhile a well written story will absolutely carry a production even if any of the things you listed were subpar. The first couple seasons of GoT didn't have the budget to show any big battle, and yet the show was still brilliant. Then the show became about big battles with high budgets and the quality crashed below the Earth.
@@keyamazed1038 Absolutely. A well crafted story is the necessary foundation. Afterall, we humans were sharing stories long before visual effects, and even long before plays. A good story, well told, can carry everything else.
@@keyamazed1038 yup. people read books because of pure story lol its pretty easy to imagine if you can give a good story, you dont even need a slideshow to make it work.
yes i agree. s7-8 were amazing in everything besides the terrible writing. and it truly is a shame how amazing actors, the visuals ,music, all the love and creativity couldn't do anything since the writing is just so bad. i truly feel sorry for everyone working on s8 and wasting so much time blood sweat and tears on it to be great , with Dumb and Dumber ruining everything
@@keyamazed1038 yes exactly. dosent matter if you watch like an old movie/show that dosent have the best visuals or budget as long as the story and characters are great. in contrast, sometimes great vibe can overshadow a poor story with great visuals and directing. but with GOT s8 you get none of that. yes the visuals, acting music art effects are all great but they seem shallow
You wanna know what’s sad? I don’t even have strong feelings about GoT like people do over the SW Sequels or whatever. I just don’t think about it ever anymore.
I would say Lost belongs on that list, One of the biggest shows during the 2000's and basically people really haven't even discussed it for the past decade because the last 2 seasons were so bad.
The first time the Night King raised his arms and all the dead came back to life, they weren’t growling, or screaming or snarling. It was just silence, the only sound being the water and the rocking boat. That scene gave me chills all over my body. No other scene in show or movie history made me feel that way. So to say im disappointed it is an understatement
IMO it’s also his character design - nothing against the actor who played him in seasons 6-8, but the seasons 3-5 night king just looks way more ominous to me.
@@ImmaLittlePip And on the flip side, the original Star Wars trilogy is exactly how you end a series. Return of the Jedi isn't the best film critically, but it's an extremely satisfying and fulfilling ending that leads many people to regard it as their personal favorite. No one has ever said of the OT, "Star Wars is good but the ending sucks, don't watch it." Return of the Jedi is specifically loved because of how it brings everything to a close at the end. That's how you do it.
Not only that but HBO wanted D&D to do extra *seasons* of G o T but they said no, because They just got the Star Wars contract. (Thankfully they didn't get to f*ck that up either). Total hacks.
and yet they've now been given another adaption job of a relatively popular sci-fi series, three-body problem. They've somehow managed to fail their way into the same job but with netflix this time.
One season, and with only six episodes nonetheless. Unless each episode was the length of a Lord of the Rings movie or Zack Snyder's Justice League I don't think it would ever have been portrayed well
I do love a chance to bitch about the ending of GOT. Dear lord, they well and truly fked it up. I use to rewatch it every year, I haven't watched a thing since that god damn awful ending. It's almost impressive. GOT went from completly dominating pop culture to being complety irrelevant, congrats to D&D.
Exactly. Went from rewatching CONSTANTLY to deleting off my hard drive. Whereas I will happily watch Sopranos, Breaking Bad etc clips when they pop up in my feed i can never rewatch that shit again
I think the show will get a second life in another 10 or 20 years when a generation born after the show ended turns 15 and watches it for the first time. It'll be like _Empire Strikes Back_ and the reveal that Vader is Luke's father - everyone will have plenty of warning and it'll just be another part of the lore and people will fixate on all the logical steps leading there rather than their intense emotional whiplash.
D&D knew they fked up too the second that last episode dropped. I remember they cancelled their appearance at Comic Con that year to avoid being brutally murdered by an army of pissed off fans.
I used to re-watch every season, at LEAST once a year, while waiting for the new season to come out. After season 8, I cannot rewatch a single episode, because I know that it is all meaningless now.
Agreed. I lent my blu ray collection to my brother to watch before season 8 so he could catch up but after I saw season 8 I don’t care if he keeps it, gives it back to me, or throws it out. And GRRM isn’t helping by taking his sweet ass time finishing the books.
I absolutely loved, lived and breathed GoT over the years. Now I’d never even consider rewatching or go anywhere near any spin-offs. Which is so sad to say out loud.
It took me 3 years to get through the 5 stages of grief but now I feel ready to rewatch all eight seasons for at least one last time and come to acceptance.
And that's the dealbreaker for me. We spent years guessing and being excited for the conclusions of these arcs and beloved characters, and a rewatch will ultimately feel.. meh. It's actually really sad
I completely and utterly disagree. The end is an abomination but I refuse to let that ruin the enjoyment I got up til the end of season 6. Everyone says season 4 was when it stopped being good but the last two episodes of season 6 are easily the strongest back to back episodes in the entire series. Battle of the Bastards was a remarkable tv achievement and the end sucking balls doesn't change that.
@@zanzibarstudios1351 -- Considering that Game of Thrones started out as a DECONSTRUCTION of fantasy stories, I really don't know how the show could have ended any other way than it did. The first book ends with Ned Stark's Execution and The Red Wedding happens in the Third. "True Love" was the cause for Robert's Rebellion and Bran's crippling when he discovers Jamie and Cersi's incest. OF COURSE the eighth and final book would end with Tyrion fussing over chairs and the one guy with perfect information whispering in the right paranoid ear at the right time. That's how it works in Real Life!
They fully fcuked it up imo. I’ve not been able to watch it since. I keep thinking but I loved it up until the ending, just watch it up until then, but I can’t. Because I know the ending. I could potentially get into a spin off, it’s just the want to start it.
Couldn’t agree more! I rewatched the entire 7 seasons maybe 3 times and then one more extra before season 8 was released. Now? I just want to forget everything like a bad dream and never ever think about it again. I feel betrayed - so much time, effort and emotion invested for what? Colossal disappointment at the level never before experienced in my entire life. I actually tried to force myself to watch it one more last time, but just couldn’t go further episode one - all the magic is gone. Even "Dexter" had better ending than GoT and that says a lot.
Honestly it was D&D’s fault. HBO and Martin wanted more seasons, but they didn’t care; and even worse, they didn’t want to leave the show in other more passionate hands.
I remember after the last episode dropped they canceled their comic con appearance- and on the one hand, that’s cowardly, but on the other hand I get it. Because I can easily imagine someone locking the doors.... without a soul to hear.
@@equivalentexchangeisalie5726 they probably could have and honestly they should have come up with their own ending instead of jamming the last two seasons with Georges outline. They already deviated from the books might as well follow the story. But the issue was they used the books soo well and unfortunately for them the book series wasn’t done and still isn’t. I hope he releases the last two books so I can have the ending the author intended even though I’m going to hate it, I’ll believe it lol.
@@Kai-ow9gi not sure I agree with that. The first three books provided 1 season of material each for the show. That was a good pace and produced great television. How could they have stretched the remaining two books into 8 or 9 seasons?
@@Kai-ow9gi Different media require different choices. What works on the page does not necessarily work on the screen. A word-for-word adaption of any book with no room for interpretation would be 100% unwatchable.
Honestly, it was everywhere. The cast became household names, Emilia Clarke was even named Sexiest Woman Alive, twitter was nothing but GOT on Sunday nights, and it got a lot of people who would normally never watch that kind of thing into fantasy series. Now, nobody even speaks about it except as an example of how NOT to do things.
My Mom and I were just talking about this not too long ago. GoT seemed like one of those shows that would be in syndication for decades to come. Instead, you hardly hear a word about it nowadays. It just vanished overnight. Which goes to show how awful the last two seasons were.
Proven Veteran actors gave the unproven and unknown ones validation. Once you killed off those characters, the 'kids' were left to bounce off each other - with predictable results.
@@terrylandess6072 The demise of the show had little to do with the abilities of the performers and much, much more to do with the show runners and writers either being burned out, not caring, or realizing how lost they were once they’d exhausted the written material.
The nosedive in quality is absolutely ridiculous to behold in hindsight. How did the show that touted itself as the smart fantasy option turn into Michael Bay levels of sheer stupidity?
@@pizdamatii5001 Because Benioff & Weiss are massive big arrogant bastards, and although everyone could see that they clearly didn't care anymore they likely couldn't admit that to themselves. Plus they owned the show, not HBO, so they couldn't have been replaced even if it was desired by executives or GRRM.
I live in Melbourne, the 'most locked down city in the world'...I rewatched most of what I own, I think my GoT DVDs are sitting in a corner under a mountain of dust. I just can't bring myself to watch them knowing what a dumpster fire it ends up being.
@The505Guys yeah you may be right but atleast there would be some explanation and gradual turn of characters. Honestly I don't care anymore who sits on the throne now.. but I want some explanation on night king, and abandoned plotline. But I should keep my expectations as low as possible 😔
luckily i started watching the january before season 8 dropped in april. yes season 8 hurt, but id only been invested for a few months. i truly feel for those that had been with the series for nearly a decade, or even longer, just to get hit with the tragedy that was season 8
The abysmal ending of the final season left such a terrible taste in the mouths of fans that it is almost impossible at this point for HBO to recapture the magic and flare that made GoT so popular and beloved by fans in the first place.
@@jalenwalker8790 I don't know about that. The prequel is the most searched/anticipated show of 2022 based on numbers. Unless those are just haters looking it up? Not just a gut feeling
Unfortunately it is the same for me. I never was hard core fan but I liked books and show. Now I even don't know if I will be alive when last book is published. And while I'm curious about things that are not in the show I believe all major things that happened are what Martin intended to do just in better way.
I remember how excited I used to be for every episode to come out. I think I started in the third season so I had a lot to binge in the beginning, but good lord that show had me hooked. And then it just cratered so hard. It was so bad, so disrespectful, it hurt so bad. And I've never looked back. All I wanted to do was forget how painful it was to see the world I was so excited about and loved so much be decimated.
No show has ever left me so completely furious. Dani and Jamie's ending were especially insulting to the characters and the actors that played them and the fans.
I don't think Dany's ending was all that insulting personally. Dany turning evil and crazy like her father has been a fan theory for many many years, and it was foreshadowed throughout the show. The issue with it is that foreshadowing isn't set-up. There were hints of her snapping but we never saw her snap, or what it was that made her snap. Not helped by the fact that after she starts burning KL we don't see her again until the start of the next episode, it's a mind-boggling decision why they wouldn't show her at least once during the burning. But overall I can see the idea, it just wasn't given nearly enough time. As for Jaime though, wtf even was that. The guy literally just flipped on his entire character arc for no reason in a single scene with no depth or insight given
@@grippingrope9937 what should have done is have her snap and by the last episode she comes to her senses and sees what she's done and realizes she's not fit to rule then tells Jon to take the throne he still says no and they both go beyond the wall at the end of the show with the dothraki and the wildlings. that would have solved everything.
Dani was subjected to character assassination as were many other characters D&D wrote their own fanfic n gave it a huge budget The result was garbage that won’t be replicated when Martin finishes his work Cheers
@@michaelkean5969 I like your ending. Jon never wanted to rule and dany wanted a family & home (at least in the books), so them going beyond the wall, living the life of common folk makes sense and realistic too. Dany would break the wheel with the system of ruling implemented in the show-i.e the lords choosing the king.
Benioff & Weiss didn’t just shart the bed with the way they ended that show... that actually sharted the well. The water is now toxic for any other creator trying to go to that well and make use of it.
I'd love for someone to shake Benioff and Weiss' hand and just casually say "Congratulations...... You actually managed to take a bigger, longer piss in the punch bowl than the last guy".
Heh. I actually us a similar analogy whenever I talk about the show. I say its like seeing a baker lovely making a multilayered cake with all the trimming and sprinkles. Then pouring diarrhea all over it and serving it to you with a smile. Technically you might be able to scrap off that layer of excrement to get back at the good stuff...but..no...just no. Not happening.
I honestly think Dan and Dave killed it. It became utterly undeniable that they were spoiled rich kids who used GoT as a film school where they believed "themes are for essays" or whatever asinine quote that was Benioff said. It is undeniable that the show was a hit in spite of those two, not because of it. They literally killed the momentum of Martin's series and all the expanded works that could have been. It's the epitome of "it left a bad taste in my mouth."
I suppose it must be nice to have this convenient scapegoat to blame but us on the outside of the fandom could tell that it was all so utterly unsustainable. You all wanted more, bigger, faster, the perfect ending but also sequels. You're partly to blame because you just couldn't help yourselves from feeding the dragon of hype until the moment things looked like they were turning downward, and then all of you started rushing off a cliff because the same people who told you your show was immaculate started telling you it was the worst thing ever, and you had no idea how to make your minds up yourself.
@@beeztrapp1612 I know you thrones fans are famously simple but, and I hope you're sitting down, something can happen because of more than one reason. In this case the rabid fans created an unsolvable situation, and the only people who were willing to try to fix it were the two people who you all think ruined your lives. If you ultra-fans had deserved better, maybe they would have replaced your sworn enemies, or maybe the two of them would have just tried harder, taken longer, and cared more.
@@beeztrapp1612 then why are you so upset by it? If you want to spend so much of your time hating a show you used to love, what does it matter what I say to you about that?
You're not wrong. It's impossible to binge this show anymore. You will watch multiple episodes, but knowing how it will end, you won't be able to continue.
@@kyotheman69 His books weren't even as popular back then until the show became a hit. I know people who only read the books because of the show. Although, a story with such scope, I understand it will take a while to really finish a book.
@@hikari9262 the books were pretty popular in the fantasy literature circles before the show. There were entire forums and websites dedicated to fan theories and everything well before season 1.
I came to realise that many people have gone through all the stages of grief. There was a lot of anger, and bargaining (with all the rewriting ideas), and probably depression. And now people have accepted it... and moved on.
@@LovelyDisgracefromInnerspace GOT is like an ex that burned you badly. The relationship is over and there is only a deep sadness of how it ended with so much time invested. A lot of people have no desire to see GOT or anything leading up to season 1 because we know how it ended. If possible we could get back what we had and change the ending it might of satisfied a lot of people but that isn't going to happen. Maybe a new story set in the future we might see if GOT could make up for the ending by establishing a new relationship but to most people GOT is dead to them.
It's often said by sensible people that the show died with Stannis - there's a lot to be said for that; but, it really died with Barristan Selmy when you think about it. The show fell apart rapidly from that point on. Yes a few nice battles but that's it. No one would have continued watching if they new the contents of seasons 5 onwards I suspect: so many arcs completed felled and fell apart due to poor writing and a lack of care. So many carefully built characters and plots wiped away in one irrational flick of a pen by D&D.
@@truththechosen5338 No, trail of Tyrion was magical writing. The show, in my opinion, died with Tywin. Which is very symbolic as he left behind a loaded shitter that was GOT Season 6 onwards.
I think it died with Tywin myself. In retrospect, I'm so fucking glad Tywin died halfway through. Just imagining how they would've butchered his character and dialogue in the following seasons gives me nightmares.
The final season was a missed opportunity on creating interesting ending for the beloved characters. They should have killed of jon and let Ariah never meet her family. Overall the show fell off because the starks are the only thing we had. And it was boring.
My issue is - how can I be excited about prequel shows knowing where they ultimately end up? No matter how good they might be, they’re still slowly trudging towards that disappointing ending. With that looming, I find it hard to believe that I’ll be able to enjoy them.
Would've been better to set it 50 years in the future so all the main characters are dead but we're still witnessing the "clean-up" as dying and emerging dynasties fight. And no more dragons - return the show to the sober realism of Series 1.
I see where you’re coming from but if they remove the links to GOT (like no white walkers), I think it will be fine as you have new storylines to follow.
@@torrentarrow9097 you might wanna rewatch them... I thought they were good as I grew up watching them as a kid, but I rewatched them the other month and they are sooooo boring and terribly paced, just terrible films in general
It’s just a shame that it looses all its rewatch value because we all know how it ends. I remember thinking it used to be a series that’d I’d watch time and time again as I got older, but sadly that dream is dead
Even before S8 aired, I felt a sense of creeping horror when they announced it would only be 6 episodes. I knew then they were throwing the whole budget into an extended blockbuster movie, and had zero character development to fill in the extra time.
Literally the only thing in season 8 that was done well was Melisandre's death. That was just perfectly executed. Everything else was ludicrous overblown trash.
@@zammmerjammer There were some small moments here and there I enjoyed. A few things with Arya (the dragon reaction, and Gendry). But nothing could make up for that passionless "love" scene between Missandei and Grey Worm.
I was the biggest GOT fanboy out of all of my friends and family. I would watch endless breakdowns and video essays and theories about GOT up until season 7, then I thought season 8 would be the greatest thing to ever hit television history, but I was so disappointed that after a month or two of rage about the show, it's been like 2 years, and I've never even thought about the show again. Thats so deppressing.
I went into Season 8 after 7 going "this is like watching to see if your favorite drunk uncle sobered up." ... instead, it vomited over everything and shat on the floor.
Same thing happened to me. I forgot that the show ever existed after a short time and before that i was obsessed with the ASOIAF world, it had so much potential. Biggest disappointment was the story of white walkers,they fucking obliterated them.
@@aleksandarzivic8093 for reall! They were hyping up the white walkers since the first scene of the whole series🙄 But they eeally butchered every story, John, Bran, Jaime, oof poor Jaime, and even in arya's story nothing happened except killing the walkers. They really just stopped giving a fuck about the show
S1-4 were the golden age of the show. The writing and all the characters were all on there height but then post S4 D&D started to rush the show and everything fell apart
@@asarishepard8171 I'm actually not so sure that's the *only* reason. Books 1-3 are way better than 4-5... I think GoT just gets too big to handle at a certain point in the narrative and neither GRRM nor the showrunners knew what to do from that point on, hence the inexorable decline in quality (tbf the showrunners also made a bunch of other mistakes and apparently stopped caring entirely)
@@troopieeeeee too true, and i also am convinced Martin will never publish the next book ever. he did an entire prequel book when the end atrocity of the show ws going down. i think his spark is done. he poured any passion he had left into a PREQUEL. let that sit with us. i dont think hes gonna finish the story, nor can he.
@@asarishepard8171 100% agree. I think he's miserably writing book 6 and since the passion is gone he'll just end up writing other stuff. Even if he did still WANT to finish, as you say, I literally don't think he would know how regardless. He's been written into a corner. I have made peace knowing we'll never get book 6 or 7, and instead just hope we get more Dunk and Egg!
@@troopieeeeee i have too. it felt like a bad breakup i had to do, but still did it. we had a good time, song of ice and fire series, but i KNOW youre never going to be finished!
After years of watching every GOT video on TH-cam this is the first video I have watched since the moment season 8 came out. I couldn't care less about GOT. The writers made everything I enjoyed about it turn to ash in my mouth. It is a miracle I even watched this video discussing how much the legacy was ruined.
Its not just Season 8. As soon as they run out of the book material it started to go off the rails... character arcs ... story in general... it was uneasy at first..only to turn into wtf levels
@@Mr.BednaR Thank you, hate this idea that GOT just got bad over the course of a season, the gradual but steady decline started from season 5 onwards and loads of us saw it coming.
I recently finished the series with my wife, and watching it from front to back continuously really brings out how fast the writing slipped down the drain. I started noticing the rough writing by the end of season 6. I could see the actors doing the best they could with the material they had, but it really lost its magic. Season 8 didn't feel as bad as people made it out to be, but it was still so much of a letdown. It felt so rushed, the big baddie, the night king is defeated by the third episode. Which seemed strange that they considered Cersi, who already seemed to run out of things to do except look and sound evil, was a bigger threat than the Frozen dude with magical ice powers and an army of corpses.
Imagine you have been waiting years for this story, between every season, and then two full years for the last one... I think that's part of why we hate it so much. The circumstances in which it happened just made it feel ten times worse.
@@TheWilyx the night king hit me especially hard. the white walkers are the first thing you see in the show. not the starks, the lannisters or winterfell. clearly it was the focal point of the overarching plot and and they wasted all the build up. they don’t even acknowledge him in the following episodes of his death
ooh a BSG and a Black Sails reference?! I really should rewatch Black Sails some day, that was a pretty awesome show that i always felt like flew under the radar for most people.
For me, the first episode (probably a double bill) would have to be amazing to try the third, and that would also have to be amazing to keep me going. Kind of like Picard, of which I never saw episode 4.
For real? Like everyone was very disappointed by the last two seasons, but the first 4 were phenomenal, 5-6 were good-great and the best one off episodes are genuinely outrageous. Just as a parallel, Seinfeld got much worse as it went on and the first season of Curb your Enthusiasm was not as good as it came to be in the first season. Similarly to GoT, Larry David and GRRM both took steps back which started the decline.Had I given up on Curb because I felt let down by the end of Seinfeld I would have missed out on a pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty phenomenal show
*The problem with Game of Thrones is it started off like a Medieval period drama, turned into a high fantasy epic and ended up like a superhero soap opera.* Edit: I am *NOT* saying the above is inherently wrong. But *YES* i am suggesting the writers were not capable of handling the changes. Sorry for the confusion.
I think a change in story and writing quality also really began with D&D in Season 6, but really became noticeable in season 7. from wikis; filming of the seven episodes of season seven began on August 31, 2016 and continued until the end of February 2017. On October 22, 2016, AT&T disclosed an offer to acquire Time Warner, the merger would bring Time Warner's various media properties, including Home Box Office, Inc., under the same corporate umbrella as AT&T.
The problem with Game of Thrones is it started off as a carefully crafted medieval period drama, turned into a run-of-the-mill show that killed off the main characters simply for shock value, and ended as a rushed mess that the writers were trying to wrap up as quickly as possible and clearly didn't care about anymore.
@@gawkthimm6030 It began in season 5 already because at the end of season 4 D&D had a big argument with the author GRRM because they didn't want to adopt his plotlines but to simplify them and dumb the whole story down because they didn't like the fantasy aspect of the story. Eventually GRRM left the producer team after the end of season 4 and never talked to D&D again. D&D still knew most of the key moments of the story but you can really notice a big drop in quality of writing starting with season 5. (Dorne, Stannis, Barristan Selmy, ...) @DrCruel Most of the deaths weren't for shock value but taken from the book source.
@@gawkthimm6030 it began to slow down and level off in season 5 with the Dornish story. It began to slip down a hill in season 6, rapidly accelerated in season 7 and threw itself off a cliff in season 8
For those that are unaware, the show went off the rails the minute season 5 came out. They went completely off book, hollywoodified the shit out of it. The fact Dan and dave didnt respect the source material is the main reason the show collapsed. There isnt much more to it than that. They couldnt make the ending good cause they ruined the middle of the story (A feast of crows, a dance with dragons) so once they had no source material (the last two books) and without george's input, the show could not be as good as seasons 1-4.
What source material? They ran out of source material. As much blame as I think they deserve I think everyone is giving George a free pass which considering he promised to have more books done is not fair.
@@rickclark7508 Thats assuming they did the story of A Feast For Crows and A Dance With Dragons justice, which they didn't. That was enough material for at least two more seasons.
@@Fanon4k I would say it's not even "for you" or "for me". They had material for at least four seasons covering books 4+5, didn't use it, and then blamed George for lacking an ending. I'm glad D&D lost their star wars deal, because I think they are partially to blame for George not finishing the books when TV studios keep demanding he release content for the spinoff shows.
Got is that person for whom you fell in love for years and made you feel like you were having your destined happy love. And at the end, you realize they cheated on you several times and that it was all an act for your money. You remember them with sadness and kindness sometimes, but you don't wanna have anything to do with it.
Nah. It's not a good metaphor. It's more like the person you fell in love with for years got really bored with the relationship and then ended things in the most messy, disastrous way possible to make you think back about the whole thing with sour thoughts.
@@asuhdude6668 Well I guess we'll see, but I promise you that isn't gonna happen. Not on a large scale. If people actually stopped playing/watching stuff when they said they would, then we wouldn't keep getting this trash.
@@DefenestrateYourself Yeah! I always quote what she said in one of her GoT videos: "In the end of the day you have to love something a lot to be this disappointed"
She's spot on! You start to watch the first 4 seasons and then it hits you how much of a nosedive these rich characters and plotlines are headed......now you can't even continue
The show could have been saved up through Season 8 Episode 2. Unfortunately, Weiss and Benioff simply decided to stop giving a damn. Wrapping up the Night's King in one episode was *horrendous*. Dani going from hopeful, enlightened ruler to insane despot in two episodes is similarly ridiculous. Having Jamie completely abandon his entire character arc and revert to his Season 1 self - in one scene - was a slap in the face. The half-baked nonsense ending in S8E6 was an intentional betrayal of the most loyal of fan communities. Weiss and Benioff should never work in the industry again. I will certainly never invest my time or emotions in any product of theirs going forward - what they did was nothing short of going from fan to fan to fan - millions of us - and individually spitting in each of our faces. If you're burned out, take a year off. HBO offered them three seasons of ten episodes each to wrap up GoT but they turned it down and gave us six episodes of rushed, phoned-in, deus-ex-machina-infested dumpster leakage. Unforgivable.
Check out who was one of the writers for "X-men origins: Wolverine"... (the movie that gave deadpool swords that pop out if his arms like Wolverine's claws and sewed his mouth shut...)
FYI - Dani's actions in burning Kings Landing are completely consistent with her own character actions in the previous seasons...and also consistent with ensuring she still has a path to the throne open when all the nobility rejects her. The scary thing is that most fans don't understand the truth that Dany did NOT go mad...that her pursuit of the throne meant she would do ANYTHING to get it. Killing the Night King in that way was ridiculous...there needed to be a lot more background showing how / why Arya could do it than was ever given. Jamie's choice in season 8 is a CULMINATION of his arc. After all, Cersei is the MOTHER OF HIS CHILDREN. He would never abandon her to torture and public execution...and we would not accept him as a worthy knight of the seven kingdoms if he did. What was lacking here was execution. It was never made clear WHY he was returning...and shown that his return wasn't as lapdog, but as rescuer where HE would have the power of HER. It could have and SHOULD HAVE been done properly...but it wasn't. I wouldn't ever hire D&D to handle my book series...as their inability to understand what made GoT successful is obvious. However, I would also never trust most fans of highly successful franchises with being happy with the story outlines...ever. The shear lack of understanding of what is actually happening with major characters in GoT...the insistence that characters be merely comic book heroes rather than complicated characters...the absolutely dumb reasons for hating some Star Wars stories... Yeah, you all hate D&D...and that is deserved. But most 'fans' are even less competent than D&D were...
@@dclark142002 "Dany's actions were consistent with her own character"? A person who frees tens of thousands of innocent slaves, seize her children (she sees her dragons as her children) after one of them kills a girl, and delay her main goal - Returning to Westeros - for 6 seasons just because the freemen needed her in Meereen. How a altruistic person like that is being "consistent" burning a whole city that had done NOTHING against her? Yeah yeah she has done cruel and violent things throughout the story... but NEVER EVER to people she knew were innocent. "Jaime would never abandon Cersei to torture and public execution" ironically he did just that in the Books. Really. On a Feast for Crows, when Cersei is arrested by the High Sparrow, accused of treason and would have a trial that could setence her to death, she sends a letter to Jaime pleading him to save her. Jaime was in the Riverlands and he simply burned the letter and went to solve other problems there... And everyone in the comunity thinks that Book Jaime is a better knight than Show Jaime, so... (Sorry for my bad english. Still learning)
Season 5 would’ve been better if they did the Dorne storylines justice. Like keep the actual characters in Dorne like Arianne, Darkstar and maybe oak heart (could’ve subbed him and his story with Bronn). And make the sand snakes more accurate to how they’re presented in the novels.
S5 gets too much hate in my opinion, even tho its obviously not the best Season. S6 is underrated. Imo everything was pretty much on point from S1-6. S7 was the moment where my alarm started ringing.
Season 5 was the turning point. All the philosophy and great dialogues were gone. I was not invested in the show any more. Thanks to my lowered expectations, my disappointment wasn’t bad. I stopped watching it after season 7 episode 2.
GoT is like a relationship that started off with excitement and fun and ended as an utter nightmare. Trying to dwell on the early good memories doesn’t work. You just try to learn from it and then forget the whole thing.
Peter this is probably the best way to put it I've ever seen. I just can't go back and rewatch them. Everytime it crosses my mind I'm reminded of how dirty they do ALL the characters and will just be mad the whole time.
@@dustin628 I just rewatched it all this past month, and I’d say it’s 100% worth the rewatch for the first 4 seasons alone. They are top top quality and worth watching again, then after that’s it’s your choice how much further you want to carry on
@@dustin628 perfectly said. I still get extremely pissed off every time I think about how much of a dumpsterfire the entire show became. Should have been the greatest series of all time.
Avatar the Last Airbender is probably the perfect TV show that GoT could've been. Until now, fans are still talking about ATLA with love and nostalgia. GoT was such a waste. Producers/writers lost their love for their show and it shows
Same here, I was a massive fan turned furious and disappointed fan that felt let down...it left me with such a bitter taste in my mouth, I don’t think I could watch any spinoffs either. So sad that the finale killed this once incredible show...
@@laurenw3300 Yall are like petty children lol. Grow up. The only thing ruining the show is you guys and your inability to see past a final season that was regular, not even terrible
If they were really going that way then they ought to redo everything after season 4. Season 5 on was garbage that inexorably led to the ending everyone hates, but the seeds for that were all planted by the many failures of Season 5. It just became a different show after Season 4 -- something felt off, like watching GoT fanfic or something....
@@troopieeeeee i thought season 6 was pretty enjoyable, maybe not as great as 1-4 but shouldn’t be grouped in with 5, 7, and especially 8. Plus it would be a tall ask for them to redo the Battle of the Bastards and it be as great as it is currently. But i totally agree the spirit of the show shifted greatly after the first four seasons
@@troopieeeeee -- But show was ALWAYS going to end with "Targaryen Madness" and Jon killing Daenerys. That bit of FORESHADOWING was in play from the very first episode. GRR was ALWAYS driving the boat toward that gut-punch in the books too. The only question was if Jon was going to get Danni preggers first. This is the same story where "True Love" led to Robert's Rebellion and the sister-boinker pushing Bran out a window. There was NEVER a "they lived happily ever after" waiting at the end of GoT. I'm sorry everyone seemed to forget that before they were forced to contend with Daenerys being a villain with a sympathetic back-story and Jon having spent the whole show a "useful idiot constantly failing upward". I'm just glad I hated EVERY Lannister so much I could never bear to watch an entire episode after the first. Positively _heroic_ acting.
It just shows how CRITICAL it is to stick the landing. Look at Breaking Bad, cherished, legendary status to this day, now looks at Dexter and Got started out great ended badly both pretty much forgotten
Bombing the sept was the stupidest part of the show, easily, and then somehow the instasiege of Highgarden was even stupider. Was there even a problem to solve in the first place? What was the point of the show?
I hate that the awesomeness of GOT cant be talked about without acknowledging the steep decline of S7-S8. Like even in passing with another fan - you cant be like "remember that Hound eating chickens scene?" without an awkward sigh and sorrowful shake of the head before moving on to another subject.
@@ThePreciseClimber Yeah there were signs the wheels were starting to wobble there but even upon a second viewing, it didnt seem like the show was faltering as much as just some seasons are better than others. There were still logical and great character and story beats happening in S5 and S6. By 7, the wheels were REALLY wobbling though - thats when it def felt like the show was losing its way.
How did D&D get away with it? How did they have so much clout that HBO couldn't get rid of them? Martin said he'd come back and it could go for 10 seasons, HBO wanted more but D&D were able to say "nah, we do it this way"
Spoiler: nobody in a suit at HBO actually cares about the shows being good, only that they make money. For the duration of season 8 everyone was still subscribed so as far as they care HBO still "won."
Look at any of The Dragon Demands channel episodes and you'll understand why. The synopsis, Benioff and Weiss or Dingus and Doorknob, but more specifically Benioff had lied about his credentials to get the show on the ground with the former administration at HBO. This is due to Benioff being the son of Stephen Friedman, the former CEO/Chairman of Goldman Sachs, which has financial stakes in Warner Bros and Friedman was friends with the then CEO of HBO Richard Plepler. When the original pilot failed and Benioff was caught red handed, he strong armed Plepler into putting more money after bad via the sunk cost fallacy, bordering on blackmail to get the pilot remade or else he8have to explain why he didn't vet Benioff properly. So yeah, it's a case of nepotism and the Old Boys networks. That is how he got away with a lot of crap that would have gotten any other showrunner fired and even imprisoned due to overwhelming negligence and incompetence. James Hibbard's book and The Last Watch documentary practically confirms the aforementioned.
@@TheSeraphimArtist also d&d got the rights from George to make the show and they licensed it to HBO. They had complete control and HBO literally couldn't make it without them
In addition to what the others have said, the first few series were a mostly straight adaption, but D&D clearly didn't understand WHY it was good. They then went on believing they were geniuses for such a good show, and I think season 6 onwards they really found it much harder than they expected, and it shows in their lack of interest. They were so convinced they were geniuses they said, of GOT, that "themes are for eighth-grade book reports". A lot of the terrible decisions were purely their own, because they thought that twists = good writing. They didn't understand why Ned and Robb had to die, they just thought killing characters was what people liked.
@@user-yg5sx9mz1q Which does explain why they couldn't just up and leave when HBO practically urged them to hire more people for the writers room. Which I forgot to mention. There was only Dingus and Doorknob, they're henchie turned writer Bryan Cogman and Dave Hill. Though it was mostly Dingus and Doorknob. I assumed at first due to ego, Benioff couldn't handle his name not being top billing and possibly sharing it with someone the audience might favor instead. Something that irritated those attending their panel at the notorious Austin Film Festival convention. I have mentioned to others if they wanted to do the series faithful, after Season 4, they should have taken a gap year like The Sopranos. This would give them breathing room to properly write Season 5(Book 4), take another gap year in between Seasons 6 and 7(All of Book 5) going into Season 8. And they'd all be 10 full episodes btw. That would also allow the cast to have rest or take up smaller projects to build their portfolios of work. And this would have inspired GRRM to finish the series as he would have seen they were taking their time with the material, giving him the time he would need to finish all of the books to be ready to publish as the official last season/s start airing. Theoretically, this plan would extend GOT by about 8 years, more than enough time to hypothetically finish the series while also giving us the world book and Fire and Blood.
Considering it's peak, and it's fall the show is exactly like the poem Ozymandias. Once stood above all other shows, mighty and unrivaled, a massive cultural touchstone and now "Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
I think what made first seasons so good is the shuddering realization that no one is safe. That the characters you love might die and no amount of sheer heroism can save them. I've crying my eyes out so many times, aimlessly walking around the house unable to watch next episode, and yet unable to keep myself from doing it. I was LIVING it. And then... It all changed. Things started happening "in the right way". Good guys were winning just because they are good, bad loosing just because they are bad. There's not a word that describes it more than "disappointing" and there's nothing we can do about it now
I can't even watch the earlier seasons anymore, it just makes me feel so sad, angry and bitter. I can't stop thinking about how it all ends. It's like trying to look at happy pictures of an old relationship after you find out they were cheating on you all along.
@@chrismassalas well, not the *greatest* betrayal of all time. I think I can think of a few greater betrayals . . . Like maybe the Trojan horse or Nazi gas chambers disguised as showers?
Just pretend GoT ended at season 6 (even though it started going downhill in season 5). Regardless of how awful the ending was, the first 4 seasons are still masterpieces and enjoyable to watch
I know it’s dramatic but I don’t think I’ve ever been so burned by a show as I was by GoT. It legitimately took me a while to get into a new show again.
I get you completely, the feeling of utter betrayal was so hard that even thinking about the show makes me sad... sometimes I get the urge to rewatch the earlier seasons but I can’t bring myself to do it because I think it would hurt too much
@@jaguarenduda Right. I loved the characters and they all just turned into shells of themselves. Literally not one character didn’t suffer from this in the last season. It seems pointless to rewatch the show when you know where they end up. Just so many incredibly wasted opportunities. It’s so maddening too to think there COULD have been more but D&D wouldn’t pass it up and sped through it for a project that didn’t end up even happening, so it was all for nothing 😒
@@Amber-hf8uo the original culprit is actually GRRM for not finishing the books on time . I mean yes the building was crumbling but only because the foundation was not finished in the first place.
@@samkul1699 Fair but I still feel like they could have passed off the show to someone else. Like the interview where the say Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet I was just like 😑😑😑
@@samkul1699 I disagree. GRRM is not responsible for the quality of the show, and D&D should have been able to keep it good even without the new books, that is, if they were good writers - which they proved they are certainly not. Besides, the show had deviated so much from the books due the cutting of characters and plot elements that they should have been prepared to build an ending specific to the tv series. They were arrogant and concentrated too many tasks on their own hands, they chose to not hire a writing team and kept all the writing to themselves, amongst several other mistakes. They talk very openly (and proudly) of their inexperience as show runners when they started the GOT project and all the several rookie mistakes they did because of it - sometimes I’m even surprised GOT worked at all in the first seasons, being in the hands of these two buffoons. Obviously, having too many responsibilities and being responsible for the show for years they got tired, and decided to rush the ending. There’s a youtuber - Mikannn - who did a 10 part GOT autopsy, going into detail in all the reasons the show eventually failed so spectacularly. Her channel is in Portuguese tho, and I’m not sure if there are subtitles but it is excellent content.
It’s like a bad breakup that leaves you with a broken heart you didn’t deserve, wondering why it all went wrong. It hurts but after little while, all of it just fiztles out and you can’t even remember the good times due to the shitty ending.
I see it as a “too little too late” situation. If they wanted the new shows to be good they should have gotten new directors to make the core show the best it can.
@@eatatjoes6751 -- a lot of people let themselves forget that this is the same show that had the red wedding. There was NEVER going to be a happy ending.
I think this quote from legendary game designer Shigeru Miyamoto sums it up perfectly: ""A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad,"
That doesn't quite work the same for movies and shows like if a movie gets delayed that's usually a bad sign like everyone remembers the constant delays of New Mutants and how crap it turned out to be
You got to remember they took two years to make the final season. One more year than any of the others. It was NOT rushed. They didn't have any material to follow after they caught up to the books and made shit up :/
Man, those golden GoT years were so good. I would get up at 3am on Mondays (damn timezones) to watch the new episode, and spend the whole week watching reaction and discussion videos, getting hyped for the following Monday. Those ten GoT-weeks was my favorite time of the year. It felt so monumental, the greatest TV show that ever was or will be. Hard cut to me staring blankly at the wall while Dany dies, feeling absolutely nothing.
On the day of my high school graduation exams, I literally spent the morning watching the season 4 finale instead of studying. And I did care about school but that's how addicted I was to the show
I got into the show during the end of season 5 and I remember the exact same thing. When it was sunday in my house, there was no fucking around we all watched game of thrones. I grew up loving lord of the rings and star wars and this was the next great thing in my opinion. I read the books, listened to the music, talked to my friends and dad about it, discussed online, etc. This show from 2016-2018 was my life, I fucking loved it. Season 8 really hurt me man. This show meant so much to me and the last season just fucked me in the ass. Characters, plotlines, everything was subpar and rushed. I cant even rewatch the show and I accepted the fact that the books are over, since grrm is too fucking lazy and a sellout. Always going to cherish Got and your right, its the best show ever made but I can never get back into it :/
@@barkley8285 i know someone who is watching the show right now.. who has no idea anything about the show (crazy, right?? She's heard NOTHING about anything) I've been watching it with her, and I'm telling you.. seasons 1-3 are INCREDIBLE. I never thought I'd ever watch it again.. but.. I'm thinking I should tell her, at least warn her.. this show will destroy her soul.. But.. she's not getting the experience of getting to talk about theories and watch breakdown videos, so I don't think she's as invested as most of us was. A spin off could work.. if they don't "get burned out".. which is such a STUPID excuse...
It all went wrong when they ran out of books to adapt. The only reason why I’m somewhat excited about house of the dragon because it is base on the book
DnD only got all that praise because they were working hand in hand with Martin. Once he left the project to return to his books (which he admits that he sometimes regrets GoT) the series started a decline before a complete nosedive when they had no more of his notes, books, or ideas to use.
Kinda sad seeing how all the other work that Martin wants to do will always be outshined by GoT. Especially with fans of either his book, the shows, the games, or a mixture of the 3, are hounding him to write more of his books.
I just hope Martin finds success and enjoyment from whatever he works on next. Whether that be anything related to GoT or otherwise. DnD on the other hand I couldn’t care less about. Don’t really trust their abilities anymore.
Nope. The third book was enough for seasons 3 & 4. They still had books 4 & 5 to adapt for season 5+ but they just threw them away. The only storyline that is remotely similar to the one in those books is John Snow (until his death). They didn't "run out of the material". They thought they're better than GRRM. I think they really started to believe that the success of the show was thanks to them and not some fat nerd who came up with the story.
They actually had several more of the books to adapt. The fourth and fifth book are very very different from the show because d and d didn’t want to adapt all of it. Instead we got a less good shortened version of the best two books in the series.
It’s crazy how I watched this show for years over and over and over again. I obsessed over the characters and studied the plot and now I literally do not even care to rewatch it again. All the magic is gone. I can’t even enjoy my favorite characters knowing how it ends
There's really nothing like it. Pick the cringiest TV show from your youth and you can at least watch it with some irony. GoT just HURTS to revisit, coz D&D literally killed the quality of what was brilliantly setup
@@michaelotis223 for real. the nights watch and jon snows arc is probably my favorite of the whole show but now when I see the white walkers I just think that they amount to nothing and when I see jon snow I just think about him saying "you are m'queen" over and over again
@@michaelotis223 Hopefully something will be like it - a hopeful streaming adaptation of The Stormlight Archive. The books are the greatest I've ever read, Brandon Sanderson writes way quicker than George RR Martin, and the upcoming finale to the first five book arc is looking to be amazing, and stick the landing. So flee Westeros my friends, and join me in Roshar, where we will feast on chouta and toast to a mug of lavender wine.
@Nina The truly horrible part of that story is that they didn't actually tell Emilia. She found out the same time you and I did, except she was at a finale watch party with fans who'd won an internet contest. How embarrassing. The Dragon Demands TH-cam channel goes in to a lot of detail on this subject but there's ample evidence to support that were a lot of last minute changes to the story. Emilia shot that scene on the back of the dragon in green screen with just the producers and a camera man around. The original script (that the cast was seen reading in "The Last Watch") probably had the buildings exploding from wildfire (presumably placed by Cersei). In the one of the season 8 blu-ray commentaries the special effects supervisor guy mentions they had to change the colour of the flames (from green) at the last minute because Benioff told him to. Now, I have no reason to believe the original ending that was presented to Emilia was any better than what we got but it sounds like, at least, Dany didn't go full crazy-evil. Of all the actors in that show it feels like she was betrayed most of all.
I know ...That was her Legacy...and the writers literally shit on her character. She does a total 180 for no reason, she did not kill a innocent or two..she fucking went NUTS and everything she had stood for and all her good hearted actions and deed since she was like a little girl just made ZERO sense. Jamie's character arch made ZERO sense. he runs back to cersei !? Cersei's death was just sooo stupid ....FUCKING ROCKS!?!? ARE YOUR FUCKING KIDDING ME ROCK!SS?SS Varys who was this mastermind of secrets and subterfuge who survived like 3 violent and crazy kings and rose to power from nothing to being the spymaster of Kings landing in season 8 he turns into a fucking potato and literally leaves his entire plans to betray his queen in the fax machine by her desk for her to find ...like how stupid!?! Danny turned from Mother Teresa since she was19 years old and in the last second turned into Hitler and was casually burning women and children Jon Snow never even fought the night king...we were promised a showdown and we were robbed...Arya is cool and all...but come on..it should have been jon Arya's powers were meaningless...she was the perfect assassin and she just never uses her powers again to kill ANY of Carsei's top Men What was up with the Red Priestess?! what about the Lord of light's master plan?! Why bring Jon Snow back if he did not even kill the Night king!? ...what was the Point !? HELLO!?! And Bran stark....dont even get me started on his fucking storyline ... I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO BE A POWER TO RIVAL THE NIGHT KING!!!... WE WATCHED HIS CRIPPLED ASS CRAWL AROUND THE NORTH FOR LIKE 7 SEASONS AND ALL HE DOES IS TELL US WHO JON REALLY IS THAT IT!! I thought Bran was going to Warg into Danny's dragons or maybe use his powers to somehow take over a sizable portion of the night king's undead forces with is own powers or find some ancient magic that could help the heroes finally weaken and defeat the Night King ...Remember when he Warged into Hodor that one time?! I thought his powers would grow stronger and with superhuman effort he would be able to turn the tide of the fight against that army of the dead for a short while.... Nope...nope...Bran the Broken fist of his name... ohhh go fuck yourself....
Fuck Emilia. The directors had been trying to get her to portray her character in a darker way since season one and she refused. It’s her fault some fans didn’t see her turn to madness coming.
@@sackthebastard have u got a source for this? I've never heard about emilia refusing to play the character in a darker way before. Why would they hire her if they didn't like the way she portrayed the character?
For years I was desperately trying to get my dad to watch the show. When he eventually got around to it he was immediately hooked like most of us were. We had several fun conversations about the show which eventually led to us being utterly disappointment in the ending. I have run across several people now who have never watched it but I'm also unable to recommend it to them. It's a shame because I'll never again be able to see the joy that most experience when watching the first 4 seasons.
Hard same here too. 5 or so years ago I turned people on to the show. Now if people ask, I would say either just watch the first 5 seasons and walk away, or just don't. It really is that bad. I'm barely motivated to even read Winds of Winter now.
I did a rewatch recently. I thought I would just be too brought by the ending to enjoy it... I was so wrong. Those first 4/5 seasons are still so damn good.
A part of me wants my family and friends to watch so we can debate how bad those last seasons were lol but I never say “you should watch it”. They just listen to my rants and try not to bring up dragons 😅🥲 it so sad! I’m still obsessed with the lore and the world, and I’ll read the remaining books when/if they ever come out, but I will not recommend!
The first four seasons were wow! It had potential to being the best television of this generation, but from that point on the seasons got shorter, the pace sped up, less happened and stories were abandoned. We were promised an almighty war of a thousand years. We got about 20 minutes where some guys on horses were killed and that’s about it. Finally, no one learned anything, loads more died and they made a minor character the king for no reason at all. I am wondering if it is the worse ending ever. It must be up there with lost or how I met your mother…
they say that with a TV show, audiences only really remember 2 things when everything is said and done... the beginning and the end. and they really effed up the end...
They are re-running GoT here. One season a day. And I find myself watching Stargate re-runs instead. That is my badly the (lack of) Long Night traumatised me.
It's amazing how the show runners didn't understand why people liked the show they were in charge of. They should have ditched Dumb and Dumber after they ran out of book material
they should have gotten Neil Gaiman and one of the former runners of doctor who to run the show after they tossed Moron and imbecile out Steven Moffat knows how to write excellent dialog and knows how to torture the audience with character deaths.
I never even watched the final couple of episodes, I just lost interest after the Ice king was killed by Arya. I just watched the reviews about how it ended, and I was not impressed. The show had an amazing buildup, but a buildup will feel meaningless if there is no satisfying payoff. A show can have a bad start but still become beloved if it has an great ending, but a show with a bad ending won't even be worth re-watching even if it had a great start.
Its like an Olympic gymnast whose flawless routine crashes and fumbles around consistently in the last 20 seconds then does a fist pump and walks off the mat giddily self assured.
S4E10 is a better end. Everything from there on out is garbled character motivations, weird plot points, teleporting characters and dialogue consisting of "cock", "balls", "cunt", "whore", etc, because D&D thought that immature teenage speech was edgy af.
Honestly the finale of s7 would have satisfied me because at that point there was still something to look forward to, the whole point of the series hadnt been destroyed yet. Its for that reason so many could overlook all the technical issues of everything post s5, until "The Long Night" ruined everything and then the rest of the season was just pissing on the remains
It’s like having a pet that you love for 10 years suddenly be run over by a truck and then dragged away by wolves into the woods in front of you. They ruined it and I can’t bear to rewatch
The thing is none of the main actors even bothered with that 10 year anniversary drama 💀😂😭, it's so funny, I legit expected Kit or Emilia or Peter or Lena to appear in new videos promoting it but nah, it's like as soon as their contracts ended, they couldn't care less.
I would´ve done the same if they had destroyed all the good work from the first 5 or 6 seasons. Why should they care for something that even the creators didn´t care about?
Game of Thrones is like your cool uncle who helped raise you but got addicted to meth and died. You'll always love him and treasure those earlier periods but you're not blind to the self-destruction that eventually drove you apart.
When I had betted money on Tyrion beeing a secret targaryan, from when the king raped his mother and Tywin never acknowledged him as his son, his affinity with the dragons hinted throughout the series and being the one to kill Cercei as the prophecy foretold On john snow being the azor hai and ending up as the ruler On mura returning with the sword dawnstar which was shown to hand it to john snow to wield it against the knight king because her house knew the secret of John lineage On so many threads never properly closed because we needed crazy dany do big booms and cercei looking from a balcony… The pain is always there- like being stabbed by a Morghul blade
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Are you still excited for these GoT spin-offs? Or have they lost you altogether?
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nice
cool
I carre only for The Song Of Ice And Fire.
Excited 💕
Minimal interest in them, unless the reviews are glowing. What is telling is I have had more conversations about Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings since the finale of Game of Thrones than Game of Thrones itself. The only conversations I have had about Game of Thrones are how much everyone loved it and how now nobody cares about it.
Maybe in a few years they will do a reboot of Game of Thrones once the books are finished and stay truer to the books.
i will probably never get tired of watching game of thrones video essays about the finale.
Haha same here
😆Never Will I
Same 😂
Muh Queen
I dun woont it
Same
I had a WhatsApp group dedicated to GoT, it was popular during each run. It says everything that the last message 2 years ago was "well, that was s**t."
lmao
*The problem with Game of Thrones is it started off like a Medieval period drama, turned into a high fantasy epic and ended up like a superhero soap opera.*
@@AB-zl4nh More like it started as a historical medieval fantasy, turned action soap opera and ended with high school fantasy schlock.
@@AB-zl4nh For me GoT started off as an HBO show to a Netflix show to finally a CW show.
@@guitarherops31 it felt like if Michael Bay and Tommy Wiseau were running a day time soap opera while drunk with a big budget, little time and not a care in the world.
it's funny how I don't miss this show considering how addicted I was.
The way it died ... that’s why
oh, dude, same here. I was ALL IN on the lore, too.
@@victoriaacruz2083 true, I felt betrayed and disgusted. "All this for this?!?!" Really felt like they built up characters, stories for 6 seasons... And forgot about it at the end. Used to be so much angry. Now I don't care about the show and its universe. The name won't attract me to anything. It's the only show I've watched I never want to see again. I'm just reminded of it when I see the actors in other things.
Yeah I don't really find myself wanting to go back and rewatch it and I was obsessed with it. But there are some sitcoms and other shows that I have rewatched a few times. I just don't find I have a need for coming back to that universe at all
Same thing for me, the show ended too badly. Smh
That ending literally killed the hype over the show. Literally no one talks about GoT anymore.
Exactly.. no one. I’ll bring it up in conversation just to rag on it. I don’t even give a shit about the books anymore.
But you all are
No one talks about GoT in a *positive* light anymore.
@@sabrinaa3758 as long as you you all keep talking about it, it doesn't matter that's all the publicity HBO wants. That will build hype for House Of The Dragon
Chernobyl was the best hbo series I've seen; and no one is talking about that either
I never got the feeling that Winter truly came. After hearing "Winter is coming" for years
Damn 😐
One episode, no one dies, yeah Winter wasn't the longest, nor the scariest. They were easy as fuck to beat
The first two episodes were good actually. Even though I was constantly awaiting something to happen. But in the following episodes I was just thinking "wtf is happening here"? Until the final episode when i swore myself never to touch some ice and fire stuff again in my whole lifetime. So here you´ve got your looooong winter in the song of kiss my ass and leave me alone.
Well at least Jon and Dany did.
The whole show keeps reminding us about the brutality and horror of the long winter that was bound to arrive. And... nothing.
You know it's ruined, when there is a year long pandemic. And none of my friends (also me) have even considered rewatching the show.
I have HBO MAX for free and never even thought about GoT. I forgot it was on HBO.
I rewatched it recently just because my boyfriend didn’t when it premiered and it was amazing until the last two seasons. Getting disappointed by the ending once again truly sucked.
i recently rewatched 6,7 and 8. 6 was much better than i remembered. the last 2 eps were among the best ever. 7 was bad, 8 was worse. also, there was so much build up to jon's biological parents and then it went nowhere. he was exiled for executing a mass murderer? i never liked her anyway!
So true
@@loveydovey802 so true! What a disappointment 😒
I swear I will never get tired of youtube video essays tearing Got apart.
Maulers are my favorite
Me too. It's one of my favorite pass-times watching them.
@@rainman4494 just checked his channel out thanks !
YES!!
@@rainman4494 I could listen to that man rip and tear into any movie or show, but the GOT ones are top tier. You can hear the passion in his frustration and disappointment.
I can’t imagine how pissed HBO must be at DnD. They took HBO’s cash cow for the next 20 years, pissed on it, took a dump on it, then lit it on fire. They completely checked out in that last season.
What I don't understand is how those pricks nearly got signed to do an entire Star Wars trilogy on the back of that, only they turned it down to accept some even better offer from Netflix. Like, who the fuck is wanting to work with these guys?
@@SamuelKristopher Star Wars pretty much fired them I thought, they didn’t pass on it. And who passes on a Star Wars trilogy. If they did pass it’s because they know all they can do is make adaptations and they are dog shit at original writing.
@@ImperatorCaracalla I thought that might have been the case, but considering my low opinion of Disney and Kennedy at the time, I didn't put it past them to hire DnD thinking that they were the new hotstuff.
@@SamuelKristopher 100% I think that was the case until Disney saw the dumpster fire that was season 7 and 8 and decided they didn’t want any part of that. That was the irony was that they rushed the finale of game of thrones to work on Star Wars and the product they put out cost them Star Wars. I’m happy, Star Wars couldn’t afford another disaster.
@@ImperatorCaracalla Yeah, that makes sense. Let's hope for some better quality talent in Star Wars' future!
HBO celebrating the legacy of Game of Thrones after its last season feels like if Wall Street were to celebrate the anniversary of the 1929 stock market crash
We kind of do that with Black Friday.
Like southern pride.
@@nunouno001 ...You know the stock market crash was Black TUESDAY, right? Black Friday is called that because traditionally it's when stores would "get in the black", ie make more money than their costs
😭
I think once more of the audience has time to get over feeling tricked and realize that Game of Thrones is actually a _deconstruction_ of fantasy stories--
--It won't matter one bit. After all, there are still people who can't figure out that Robocop and Starship Troopers are satire.
You can time the exact moment when GoT writing went to hell: It's when Tyrion Lannister stopped having good lines. He just suddenly stopped being clever. He just stood around staring.
GoT writing went to hell when Weiss and Benioff ran out of book to adapt.
There's a saying that you can't write characters smarter than yourself. It would explain why all the smart characters got dumb when Dumb and Dumber were left to themselves.
@Isai Gonzalez I think I know why you liked it. You're using the copy paste function in this comment section almost as much as DnD did for Jons dialogue.
A writer can't write a character smarter than himself.
@Isai Gonzalez 50% is an F
The worst part is I can't even go back and watch the early seasons because I know it's all a waste of time...
This honestly hurts the most. I LOVED seasons 1-4 and rewatched them every few months with the excitement of what would happen next. Now its pointless
yeah. i feel the exact same way. i always felt so excited to be able to rewatch it all in a single binge week like you can with better shows, but now that i know how shitty it ends... i just can't bring myself to do it
I feel the same way smh...
And I have season 1-7 on DVD...
And I used to watch them over and over. I haven't watch G.O.T one time since the ending
Same thing as Attack on Titan too. The ending is so trash I couldnt even rewatch the show without cringing
Honestly Hollywood really fucks the order up... I feel like I'm much more forgiving of a movie or show with a satisfying ending than I am of one that attempted to entertain me emptily.
HBO has hopefully learnt a very important lesson.
Brilliant actors, highly talented, innovative crew, enormous budget, fantastic special effects, gorgeous locations, and an amazing story are not enough if the writers are hacks who treat the viewers with contempt.
Meanwhile a well written story will absolutely carry a production even if any of the things you listed were subpar. The first couple seasons of GoT didn't have the budget to show any big battle, and yet the show was still brilliant. Then the show became about big battles with high budgets and the quality crashed below the Earth.
@@keyamazed1038 Absolutely.
A well crafted story is the necessary foundation. Afterall, we humans were sharing stories long before visual effects, and even long before plays. A good story, well told, can carry everything else.
@@keyamazed1038 yup. people read books because of pure story lol its pretty easy to imagine if you can give a good story, you dont even need a slideshow to make it work.
yes i agree. s7-8 were amazing in everything besides the terrible writing. and it truly is a shame how amazing actors, the visuals ,music, all the love and creativity couldn't do anything since the writing is just so bad. i truly feel sorry for everyone working on s8 and wasting so much time blood sweat and tears on it to be great , with Dumb and Dumber ruining everything
@@keyamazed1038 yes exactly. dosent matter if you watch like an old movie/show that dosent have the best visuals or budget as long as the story and characters are great. in contrast, sometimes great vibe can overshadow a poor story with great visuals and directing. but with GOT s8 you get none of that. yes the visuals, acting music art effects are all great but they seem shallow
I've never known a show go from obsessively beloved to completely disavowed so fast
That's because nothing has. The closest example I can think of is Dexter but it wasn't as extreme or sudden as GoT.
You wanna know what’s sad? I don’t even have strong feelings about GoT like people do over the SW Sequels or whatever. I just don’t think about it ever anymore.
@@monsieurcondottiero2685 people have strong feelings about SW Sequels?😏
I would say Lost belongs on that list, One of the biggest shows during the 2000's and basically people really haven't even discussed it for the past decade because the last 2 seasons were so bad.
That part.
The first time the Night King raised his arms and all the dead came back to life, they weren’t growling, or screaming or snarling. It was just silence, the only sound being the water and the rocking boat. That scene gave me chills all over my body. No other scene in show or movie history made me feel that way. So to say im disappointed it is an understatement
The promise of the Night King and Jon facing off was epic as well, shame they never shared real screen time after that face off.
IMO it’s also his character design - nothing against the actor who played him in seasons 6-8, but the seasons 3-5 night king just looks way more ominous to me.
@@TheWefikus he truly did. That king was a nightmare to behold. Hell, he's who everyone thinks of when they bring him up too.
We all too used to zombies making zombie like noises. But that undead rising from eternal slumber scene captures the mythical essence best.
@@TheWefikus not to sound like an asshole but the first Night King actor looks creepy even without the makeup and CGI.
Season 8 should be shown to film students on how not to end a series.
It be right up there with the star wars sequels on what not to do with a franchise
Well, it's often a big topic in classes at my film school.
& this is how it SHOULD BE done... Watch "Game of Thrones Season 9 Videos" on TH-cam
th-cam.com/play/PLn5KvOx-bjAozRPMrBNpXjE974hpFWwnF.html
... or the penultimate method of ending a hit show when you hate the fans.
@@ImmaLittlePip And on the flip side, the original Star Wars trilogy is exactly how you end a series. Return of the Jedi isn't the best film critically, but it's an extremely satisfying and fulfilling ending that leads many people to regard it as their personal favorite. No one has ever said of the OT, "Star Wars is good but the ending sucks, don't watch it." Return of the Jedi is specifically loved because of how it brings everything to a close at the end. That's how you do it.
They had two fucking years.
TWO YEARS...
And season 8 still felt like a procrastinated and unfinished nightmare.
Yep and George and HBO wanted to keep going. HBO gave them all the money they needed but no. We just had to end the show at season 8 huh D and D?
@Storm 10 seasons with 10 episodes each
Not only that but HBO wanted D&D to do extra *seasons* of G o T but they said no, because They just got the Star Wars contract. (Thankfully they didn't get to f*ck that up either). Total hacks.
and yet they've now been given another adaption job of a relatively popular sci-fi series, three-body problem. They've somehow managed to fail their way into the same job but with netflix this time.
One season, and with only six episodes nonetheless.
Unless each episode was the length of a Lord of the Rings movie or Zack Snyder's Justice League I don't think it would ever have been portrayed well
I do love a chance to bitch about the ending of GOT. Dear lord, they well and truly fked it up. I use to rewatch it every year, I haven't watched a thing since that god damn awful ending. It's almost impressive. GOT went from completly dominating pop culture to being complety irrelevant, congrats to D&D.
Exactly. Went from rewatching CONSTANTLY to deleting off my hard drive. Whereas I will happily watch Sopranos, Breaking Bad etc clips when they pop up in my feed i can never rewatch that shit again
I think the show will get a second life in another 10 or 20 years when a generation born after the show ended turns 15 and watches it for the first time.
It'll be like _Empire Strikes Back_ and the reveal that Vader is Luke's father - everyone will have plenty of warning and it'll just be another part of the lore and people will fixate on all the logical steps leading there rather than their intense emotional whiplash.
Couldn't agree more.
D&D knew they fked up too the second that last episode dropped. I remember they cancelled their appearance at Comic Con that year to avoid being brutally murdered by an army of pissed off fans.
The fact is that got wasnt great from s5 forward. Sure 7 and 8 were absolutely shit but even 6 and 5 werent good.
I used to re-watch every season, at LEAST once a year, while waiting for the new season to come out. After season 8, I cannot rewatch a single episode, because I know that it is all meaningless now.
Same it's upsetting af
Same. I miss being able to rewatch, whilst looking for clues, which I now know just arent there.
I'm glad I never invested my time on it.
same.. same..same...shame..SHAME... damn, cant even say that without cringing now.
Agreed. I lent my blu ray collection to my brother to watch before season 8 so he could catch up but after I saw season 8 I don’t care if he keeps it, gives it back to me, or throws it out. And GRRM isn’t helping by taking his sweet ass time finishing the books.
*A moment of silence for the people that got GoT tattoos during the early seasons*
And all the young girls named "Khallisi". Big oof.
I know someone who scheduled a GoT themed wedding right as season 8 was airing 😵
Never love anything that's the real lesson of Game of Thrones
They definitely got got.
>got GoT
I absolutely loved, lived and breathed GoT over the years. Now I’d never even consider rewatching or go anywhere near any spin-offs. Which is so sad to say out loud.
Same. I'm not hype for House of the Dragon at all.
Hopefully House of the Dragon manages to change our minds. Since D&D aren't involved, I have cautious faith it might be good.
Right there with you.
It took me 3 years to get through the 5 stages of grief but now I feel ready to rewatch all eight seasons for at least one last time and come to acceptance.
I just rewatched it partially (no seasons 7 and 8) and it was glorious.
You just have to muster a willpower to push the last two seasons out of canon.
I will literally never get over this, I can’t even bring myself to rewatch the show cause I know what’s coming
Winter?
And that's the dealbreaker for me. We spent years guessing and being excited for the conclusions of these arcs and beloved characters, and a rewatch will ultimately feel.. meh. It's actually really sad
i cant either. not even the earlier seasons that followed the books.
same here.
I completely and utterly disagree. The end is an abomination but I refuse to let that ruin the enjoyment I got up til the end of season 6. Everyone says season 4 was when it stopped being good but the last two episodes of season 6 are easily the strongest back to back episodes in the entire series. Battle of the Bastards was a remarkable tv achievement and the end sucking balls doesn't change that.
Couldn’t have described my deflated levels of excitement for Game of Thrones any better.
After season 8 my excitement for Game of Thrones shriveled faster than my pp after seeing pictures of blobfish
@@zanzibarstudios1351 -- Considering that Game of Thrones started out as a DECONSTRUCTION of fantasy stories, I really don't know how the show could have ended any other way than it did.
The first book ends with Ned Stark's Execution and The Red Wedding happens in the Third. "True Love" was the cause for Robert's Rebellion and Bran's crippling when he discovers Jamie and Cersi's incest.
OF COURSE the eighth and final book would end with Tyrion fussing over chairs and the one guy with perfect information whispering in the right paranoid ear at the right time. That's how it works in Real Life!
They fully fcuked it up imo. I’ve not been able to watch it since.
I keep thinking but I loved it up until the ending, just watch it up until then, but I can’t. Because I know the ending.
I could potentially get into a spin off, it’s just the want to start it.
@@Grizabeebles easily could’ve. They chose not too fit shuck factor but didn’t work.
Couldn’t agree more! I rewatched the entire 7 seasons maybe 3 times and then one more extra before season 8 was released. Now? I just want to forget everything like a bad dream and never ever think about it again. I feel betrayed - so much time, effort and emotion invested for what? Colossal disappointment at the level never before experienced in my entire life. I actually tried to force myself to watch it one more last time, but just couldn’t go further episode one - all the magic is gone. Even "Dexter" had better ending than GoT and that says a lot.
Honestly it was D&D’s fault. HBO and Martin wanted more seasons, but they didn’t care; and even worse,
they didn’t want to leave the show in other more passionate hands.
Just imagine if someone like Vince Gilligan took over for Dumb and Dumber
I think if it had been written better 8 seasons would have been no issue. The lead actors didn't want to stay for another 2 plus seasons either
I remember after the last episode dropped they canceled their comic con appearance- and on the one hand, that’s cowardly, but on the other hand I get it. Because I can easily imagine someone locking the doors.... without a soul to hear.
@@equivalentexchangeisalie5726 they probably could have and honestly they should have come up with their own ending instead of jamming the last two seasons with Georges outline. They already deviated from the books might as well follow the story. But the issue was they used the books soo well and unfortunately for them the book series wasn’t done and still isn’t. I hope he releases the last two books so I can have the ending the author intended even though I’m going to hate it, I’ll believe it lol.
They were out of books that was the problem
Its pretty telling for me personally, that the GoT content i rewatch the most, are reviews of the final 2 seasons...
Glidus coming to rescue for 2 years now.
Imagine a world where they followed the books and had like 14 seasons
Followed which books? The ones that haven't been written to this day?
@@PasserMontanus the ones already released, they had enough content to last that long on their own
@@Kai-ow9gi not sure I agree with that. The first three books provided 1 season of material each for the show. That was a good pace and produced great television. How could they have stretched the remaining two books into 8 or 9 seasons?
@@ckthegreat100 if from the beginning they went exactly as written in the books
@@Kai-ow9gi Different media require different choices. What works on the page does not necessarily work on the screen. A word-for-word adaption of any book with no room for interpretation would be 100% unwatchable.
I honestly cannot remember something living so long and dying so fast. It finished and it just vanished.
Honestly, it was everywhere. The cast became household names, Emilia Clarke was even named Sexiest Woman Alive, twitter was nothing but GOT on Sunday nights, and it got a lot of people who would normally never watch that kind of thing into fantasy series. Now, nobody even speaks about it except as an example of how NOT to do things.
My Mom and I were just talking about this not too long ago. GoT seemed like one of those shows that would be in syndication for decades to come. Instead, you hardly hear a word about it nowadays. It just vanished overnight. Which goes to show how awful the last two seasons were.
Proven Veteran actors gave the unproven and unknown ones validation. Once you killed off those characters, the 'kids' were left to bounce off each other - with predictable results.
@@terrylandess6072 The demise of the show had little to do with the abilities of the performers and much, much more to do with the show runners and writers either being burned out, not caring, or realizing how lost they were once they’d exhausted the written material.
I was buying those $60+ msrp GoT JW scotch whiskies for $10 a bottle at Trader Joe’s.
Never seen a fandom of such a popular TV show just fall off a cliff. I mean, nobody talks about Thrones
The nosedive in quality is absolutely ridiculous to behold in hindsight. How did the show that touted itself as the smart fantasy option turn into Michael Bay levels of sheer stupidity?
@@jimjam7928 i can understand that the showrunners got tired of working on that project, but why not pass the torch and let somebody else finish it?
@@pizdamatii5001 Because Benioff & Weiss are massive big arrogant bastards, and although everyone could see that they clearly didn't care anymore they likely couldn't admit that to themselves.
Plus they owned the show, not HBO, so they couldn't have been replaced even if it was desired by executives or GRRM.
For real i didn't even know it was an anniversary this year for the show because i stopped giving a fuck about the show.
@RatCatcherCentral Man, You still hear LOST talk pop up sometimes. It's scorched earth with GoT though. it's really wild😂
I re-watched True Detective season 1 three times during the pandemic, while the thought of re-watching GoT even once never crossed my mind.
True Detective S1 was perhaps the greatest season of television I've ever watched. It was perfection, the acting, writing, all top tier.
You'll like Mindhunter too then
I live in Melbourne, the 'most locked down city in the world'...I rewatched most of what I own, I think my GoT DVDs are sitting in a corner under a mountain of dust. I just can't bring myself to watch them knowing what a dumpster fire it ends up being.
@@jasmined7822 True, I adore Mindhunter!
Episode 2 of that season is really good....if you know, you know ;)
“You said you don’t know what you’ll do when this show ends, so we made this last season so awful you won’t miss it at all. We’re geniuses!!”
Subverted my expectations.
Expectations for something great.
Yep. They completely cured me of my GoT addiction. So...thx?
Apparently the new metric for film arts is how thoroughly you insult and alienate your audience.
The plan all along was to get people to give up on game of thrones and get them hooked on The Stormlight Archive.
Season 7 was just bad!!!
The garbage ending completely destroyed all my interest in the franchise.
I am still hopeful for books..
Same.
@@sparshnaik4551 yea, maybe we'll get Winds and Dream after Martin finishes the Broadway Play about the tourney at Harrenhal.
@The505Guys yeah you may be right but atleast there would be some explanation and gradual turn of characters. Honestly I don't care anymore who sits on the throne now.. but I want some explanation on night king, and abandoned plotline. But I should keep my expectations as low as possible 😔
Me too.
The fact I waited 2 years for the last season made it that much worse.. I couldn’t even speak after the last episode because I literally had no words
The only ones watching will be your average junkie looking to get that high back. I never understood the value of being a simp.
Season 8 was a truly horrific experience
luckily i started watching the january before season 8 dropped in april. yes season 8 hurt, but id only been invested for a few months. i truly feel for those that had been with the series for nearly a decade, or even longer, just to get hit with the tragedy that was season 8
The abysmal ending of the final season left such a terrible taste in the mouths of fans that it is almost impossible at this point for HBO to recapture the magic and flare that made GoT so popular and beloved by fans in the first place.
wrong
the sheep will watch the next piece of crap they take
season 7 was draggin ass too
@@markekar6021 majority would disagree with u
@@jalenwalker8790 I don't know about that. The prequel is the most searched/anticipated show of 2022 based on numbers. Unless those are just haters looking it up? Not just a gut feeling
It's like your ex who cheated trying to get back with you. It's just not the same before the trust was broken
Who hurt you?
@@HeviltheDevil Open for what? To be cheated again? That's really stupid! 🤣🤣
@@sosickandtiredofalltheneed568 D&D
@@HeviltheDevil Oh sorry, my mistake!!
@@sosickandtiredofalltheneed568 game of thrones
“and suddenly, your joy will turn to ashes in your mouth”
who knew the foreshadowing was for us the whole time lol
@@ooSHINIES "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention."
@@ooSHINIES omg Dumb&Dumber are so smart, this was their plan all along woooow
@@AW-xc1xc The irony man... 'Dumb & Dumber are smart...' Wtf?
@@bionicredneck8805 I think I saw your hair move a little when the sarcasm flew over your head.
Best analogy I've heard is like eating a phenomenal bucket of ice cream and then finding out there's a rat at the bottom of the bowl.
Yes! Excellent analogy!
clever, as the rat ruins the rest of the ice cream, like how the ending ruined the entirety of the series
@@MrcreeperDXD777 all those ruined characters and set ups, what a shame
Or eating tons of hazelnuts only for the last one to be the bitter one, leaving you with bad aftertaste.
...you gonna finish that rat?
"Are you still excited for these GoT spin-offs?"
At this point, I've even given up on the books.
Unfortunately it is the same for me. I never was hard core fan but I liked books and show. Now I even don't know if I will be alive when last book is published. And while I'm curious about things that are not in the show I believe all major things that happened are what Martin intended to do just in better way.
@@nottherey4333 alive when the last book is published??? You alright ???
@@jimbob7572 yo that's not how they meant it bruh
@@gmalamat1393 what way did they mean it sorry
@@jimbob7572 GRRM is writing 2 pages a year.
I can’t even express how little I care about game of thrones anymore. And i was fully in the Hype Train back then
I remember how excited I used to be for every episode to come out. I think I started in the third season so I had a lot to binge in the beginning, but good lord that show had me hooked. And then it just cratered so hard. It was so bad, so disrespectful, it hurt so bad. And I've never looked back. All I wanted to do was forget how painful it was to see the world I was so excited about and loved so much be decimated.
It's the greatest betrayal of all time, so I'm staying away!
GOT did to us , what it does to it’s characters. It’s ironical. We were played and we’re at the other end of the stick now
No show has ever left me so completely furious. Dani and Jamie's ending were especially insulting to the characters and the actors that played them and the fans.
I don't think Dany's ending was all that insulting personally. Dany turning evil and crazy like her father has been a fan theory for many many years, and it was foreshadowed throughout the show. The issue with it is that foreshadowing isn't set-up. There were hints of her snapping but we never saw her snap, or what it was that made her snap. Not helped by the fact that after she starts burning KL we don't see her again until the start of the next episode, it's a mind-boggling decision why they wouldn't show her at least once during the burning. But overall I can see the idea, it just wasn't given nearly enough time.
As for Jaime though, wtf even was that. The guy literally just flipped on his entire character arc for no reason in a single scene with no depth or insight given
@@grippingrope9937 what should have done is have her snap and by the last episode she comes to her senses and sees what she's done and realizes she's not fit to rule then tells Jon to take the throne he still says no and they both go beyond the wall at the end of the show with the dothraki and the wildlings. that would have solved everything.
Dani was subjected to character assassination as were many other characters
D&D wrote their own fanfic n gave it a huge budget
The result was garbage that won’t be replicated when Martin finishes his work
Cheers
@@michaelkean5969 I like your ending. Jon never wanted to rule and dany wanted a family & home (at least in the books), so them going beyond the wall, living the life of common folk makes sense and realistic too. Dany would break the wheel with the system of ruling implemented in the show-i.e the lords choosing the king.
@@michaelkean5969 uhg I wish they did that I can't believe how much they ruined their characters
Benioff & Weiss didn’t just shart the bed with the way they ended that show... that actually sharted the well.
The water is now toxic for any other creator trying to go to that well and make use of it.
I'd love for someone to shake Benioff and Weiss' hand and just casually say "Congratulations...... You actually managed to take a bigger, longer piss in the punch bowl than the last guy".
Heh. I actually us a similar analogy whenever I talk about the show. I say its like seeing a baker lovely making a multilayered cake with all the trimming and sprinkles. Then pouring diarrhea all over it and serving it to you with a smile. Technically you might be able to scrap off that layer of excrement to get back at the good stuff...but..no...just no. Not happening.
I honestly think Dan and Dave killed it. It became utterly undeniable that they were spoiled rich kids who used GoT as a film school where they believed "themes are for essays" or whatever asinine quote that was Benioff said. It is undeniable that the show was a hit in spite of those two, not because of it.
They literally killed the momentum of Martin's series and all the expanded works that could have been.
It's the epitome of "it left a bad taste in my mouth."
I suppose it must be nice to have this convenient scapegoat to blame but us on the outside of the fandom could tell that it was all so utterly unsustainable. You all wanted more, bigger, faster, the perfect ending but also sequels. You're partly to blame because you just couldn't help yourselves from feeding the dragon of hype until the moment things looked like they were turning downward, and then all of you started rushing off a cliff because the same people who told you your show was immaculate started telling you it was the worst thing ever, and you had no idea how to make your minds up yourself.
@@TheEvilCheesecake Wow, thanks, you're right. It wasn't the shitty writing, it was our fault. Thanks, I was so confused.
@@beeztrapp1612 I know you thrones fans are famously simple but, and I hope you're sitting down, something can happen because of more than one reason. In this case the rabid fans created an unsolvable situation, and the only people who were willing to try to fix it were the two people who you all think ruined your lives. If you ultra-fans had deserved better, maybe they would have replaced your sworn enemies, or maybe the two of them would have just tried harder, taken longer, and cared more.
@@TheEvilCheesecake here's a reality check for you: I really don't care about your opinion of my opinion.
@@beeztrapp1612 then why are you so upset by it? If you want to spend so much of your time hating a show you used to love, what does it matter what I say to you about that?
You're not wrong. It's impossible to binge this show anymore. You will watch multiple episodes, but knowing how it will end, you won't be able to continue.
at lease you got ending, someone that mostly read the books, that old man will never finish it
@@kyotheman69 His books weren't even as popular back then until the show became a hit. I know people who only read the books because of the show. Although, a story with such scope, I understand it will take a while to really finish a book.
@@hikari9262 the books were pretty popular in the fantasy literature circles before the show. There were entire forums and websites dedicated to fan theories and everything well before season 1.
I was comparing about how the books became more popular because of the show.
You’re right. At this point I have ptsd. I probably will never watch or read anything related to got ever again.
I came to realise that many people have gone through all the stages of grief. There was a lot of anger, and bargaining (with all the rewriting ideas), and probably depression. And now people have accepted it... and moved on.
I still to this day cannot accept it.
@@Fingolfin7455 Me n'either. This show would be a goldmine for a proper remake.
@@LovelyDisgracefromInnerspace GOT is like an ex that burned you badly. The relationship is over and there is only a deep sadness of how it ended with so much time invested. A lot of people have no desire to see GOT or anything leading up to season 1 because we know how it ended. If possible we could get back what we had and change the ending it might of satisfied a lot of people but that isn't going to happen. Maybe a new story set in the future we might see if GOT could make up for the ending by establishing a new relationship but to most people GOT is dead to them.
Shame people are so weak, dumb and dumber should be harnessed and their life’ made a misery for the rest of their lifes
So fucking true
Imagine telling fans in Season 1 that there would be a huge war with the White Walkers, and only Jorah Mormont dies in it
And Theon! Don't forget about pointless Theon!
does Lyanna Mormont mean nothing to you?
@@GBfanatic15
Yes
@@GBfanatic15 Lyanna Mormont was just a female empowerment shoehorn. Barely a character and more a giant troupe.
@@LordMalice6d9 Her mother and her aunts are cooler than her and they weren't in the show.
It's often said by sensible people that the show died with Stannis - there's a lot to be said for that; but, it really died with Barristan Selmy when you think about it. The show fell apart rapidly from that point on. Yes a few nice battles but that's it. No one would have continued watching if they new the contents of seasons 5 onwards I suspect: so many arcs completed felled and fell apart due to poor writing and a lack of care. So many carefully built characters and plots wiped away in one irrational flick of a pen by D&D.
Lots of people said it died with Joffery
@@truththechosen5338 No, trail of Tyrion was magical writing. The show, in my opinion, died with Tywin. Which is very symbolic as he left behind a loaded shitter that was GOT Season 6 onwards.
I think it died with Tywin myself. In retrospect, I'm so fucking glad Tywin died halfway through. Just imagining how they would've butchered his character and dialogue in the following seasons gives me nightmares.
He's still alive if you ignore the show...
Season 5 is where it started falling apart. The Dorne plot was just offensive, particularly if you read the books.
"Are you still excited for these GoT spin-offs?"
No
If the fans are pissed, imagine how pissed the money men are at those two idiots.
I’d actually forgotten that they were making them
Nope
Yeah, agreed. That final season absolutely ruined any interest I have in the series.
The final season was a missed opportunity on creating interesting ending for the beloved characters. They should have killed of jon and let Ariah never meet her family. Overall the show fell off because the starks are the only thing we had. And it was boring.
Literally the only GOT content that HBO could ever convince me to watch is if they announced that they were redoing Season 8 with competent writers.
redoing season 7 and 8, at least.
@@rowanjoy419 5-6-7-8
An animated game of thrones where they actually follow the books is what’s desperately needed
Bravo!! I'm exactly with you. The ONLY thing I will watch is a REDO to fix their failure and screw up!
5 and 6 were written well if they would have devloped the repercussion well..
My issue is - how can I be excited about prequel shows knowing where they ultimately end up? No matter how good they might be, they’re still slowly trudging towards that disappointing ending. With that looming, I find it hard to believe that I’ll be able to enjoy them.
Exactly and at the end of the day prequels are just a shell the original series, a cash grab
Would've been better to set it 50 years in the future so all the main characters are dead but we're still witnessing the "clean-up" as dying and emerging dynasties fight. And no more dragons - return the show to the sober realism of Series 1.
I see where you’re coming from but if they remove the links to GOT (like no white walkers), I think it will be fine as you have new storylines to follow.
Star wars prequels were pretty good episode 3 is like the best star wars movie imo
@@torrentarrow9097 you might wanna rewatch them... I thought they were good as I grew up watching them as a kid, but I rewatched them the other month and they are sooooo boring and terribly paced, just terrible films in general
It’s just a shame that it looses all its rewatch value because we all know how it ends. I remember thinking it used to be a series that’d I’d watch time and time again as I got older, but sadly that dream is dead
I’m gonna rewatch until season 6
Bring back episodic, non-serialized television! The best defense against a bad ending!
Even before S8 aired, I felt a sense of creeping horror when they announced it would only be 6 episodes. I knew then they were throwing the whole budget into an extended blockbuster movie, and had zero character development to fill in the extra time.
Literally the only thing in season 8 that was done well was Melisandre's death. That was just perfectly executed.
Everything else was ludicrous overblown trash.
@@zammmerjammer There were some small moments here and there I enjoyed. A few things with Arya (the dragon reaction, and Gendry). But nothing could make up for that passionless "love" scene between Missandei and Grey Worm.
@@bridgecross Oh man. I hope you mean Missandei and Grey Worm! LOL.
@@zammmerjammer DERP! That's how much I've tried to suppress memories of the show!
I was the biggest GOT fanboy out of all of my friends and family. I would watch endless breakdowns and video essays and theories about GOT up until season 7, then I thought season 8 would be the greatest thing to ever hit television history, but I was so disappointed that after a month or two of rage about the show, it's been like 2 years, and I've never even thought about the show again. Thats so deppressing.
I went into Season 8 after 7 going "this is like watching to see if your favorite drunk uncle sobered up."
... instead, it vomited over everything and shat on the floor.
@@BlazingOwnager Thats the best way to describe it I’ve ever heard since this happened in 2019
@@asuhdude6668 you think its up to par with the first six seasons of GoT?
Same thing happened to me. I forgot that the show ever existed after a short time and before that i was obsessed with the ASOIAF world, it had so much potential. Biggest disappointment was the story of white walkers,they fucking obliterated them.
@@aleksandarzivic8093 for reall! They were hyping up the white walkers since the first scene of the whole series🙄
But they eeally butchered every story, John, Bran, Jaime, oof poor Jaime, and even in arya's story nothing happened except killing the walkers. They really just stopped giving a fuck about the show
S1-4 were the golden age of the show. The writing and all the characters were all on there height but then post S4 D&D started to rush the show and everything fell apart
because it had a book series to follow .when they fell off the end of the last book available i knew we were in big trouble.
@@asarishepard8171 I'm actually not so sure that's the *only* reason. Books 1-3 are way better than 4-5... I think GoT just gets too big to handle at a certain point in the narrative and neither GRRM nor the showrunners knew what to do from that point on, hence the inexorable decline in quality (tbf the showrunners also made a bunch of other mistakes and apparently stopped caring entirely)
@@troopieeeeee too true, and i also am convinced Martin will never publish the next book ever. he did an entire prequel book when the end atrocity of the show ws going down. i think his spark is done. he poured any passion he had left into a PREQUEL. let that sit with us. i dont think hes gonna finish the story, nor can he.
@@asarishepard8171 100% agree. I think he's miserably writing book 6 and since the passion is gone he'll just end up writing other stuff. Even if he did still WANT to finish, as you say, I literally don't think he would know how regardless. He's been written into a corner. I have made peace knowing we'll never get book 6 or 7, and instead just hope we get more Dunk and Egg!
@@troopieeeeee i have too. it felt like a bad breakup i had to do, but still did it. we had a good time, song of ice and fire series, but i KNOW youre never going to be finished!
After years of watching every GOT video on TH-cam this is the first video I have watched since the moment season 8 came out. I couldn't care less about GOT. The writers made everything I enjoyed about it turn to ash in my mouth. It is a miracle I even watched this video discussing how much the legacy was ruined.
“You’re still disappointed in season 8? After all this time?”
GoT Fanbase: “Always”
Its not just Season 8. As soon as they run out of the book material it started to go off the rails... character arcs ... story in general... it was uneasy at first..only to turn into wtf levels
The north remembers.
Not so end a little bit.
That kinda makes me want a Harry Potter show. Maybe about the marauders, that would be kinda cool
@@Mr.BednaR Thank you, hate this idea that GOT just got bad over the course of a season, the gradual but steady decline started from season 5 onwards and loads of us saw it coming.
Every now and then I still go back and watch video essays of season 7-8 getting torn apart. It’s cathartic af lol
I recently finished the series with my wife, and watching it from front to back continuously really brings out how fast the writing slipped down the drain.
I started noticing the rough writing by the end of season 6. I could see the actors doing the best they could with the material they had, but it really lost its magic.
Season 8 didn't feel as bad as people made it out to be, but it was still so much of a letdown. It felt so rushed, the big baddie, the night king is defeated by the third episode. Which seemed strange that they considered Cersi, who already seemed to run out of things to do except look and sound evil, was a bigger threat than the Frozen dude with magical ice powers and an army of corpses.
Imagine you have been waiting years for this story, between every season, and then two full years for the last one... I think that's part of why we hate it so much. The circumstances in which it happened just made it feel ten times worse.
@@TheWilyx the night king hit me especially hard. the white walkers are the first thing you see in the show. not the starks, the lannisters or winterfell. clearly it was the focal point of the overarching plot and and they wasted all the build up. they don’t even acknowledge him in the following episodes of his death
"Do you still care?" Not really to be honest. The spinoffs should literally be awesome for me to give it a try for more than 3 episodes.
ooh a BSG and a Black Sails reference?! I really should rewatch Black Sails some day, that was a pretty awesome show that i always felt like flew under the radar for most people.
For me, the first episode (probably a double bill) would have to be amazing to try the third, and that would also have to be amazing to keep me going. Kind of like Picard, of which I never saw episode 4.
For real? Like everyone was very disappointed by the last two seasons, but the first 4 were phenomenal, 5-6 were good-great and the best one off episodes are genuinely outrageous. Just as a parallel, Seinfeld got much worse as it went on and the first season of Curb your Enthusiasm was not as good as it came to be in the first season. Similarly to GoT, Larry David and GRRM both took steps back which started the decline.Had I given up on Curb because I felt let down by the end of Seinfeld I would have missed out on a pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty phenomenal show
Minimum fanfare? I didn’t even know it was the 10th anniversary until watching this video lol
Same
Which is especially striking when you compare to the social media fanfare for the 20th(??) anniversary of Ridley Scott's Gladiator 🤷🏾♀️
*The problem with Game of Thrones is it started off like a Medieval period drama, turned into a high fantasy epic and ended up like a superhero soap opera.*
Edit: I am *NOT* saying the above is inherently wrong. But *YES* i am suggesting the writers were not capable of handling the changes. Sorry for the confusion.
I think a change in story and writing quality also really began with D&D in Season 6, but really became noticeable in season 7. from wikis; filming of the seven episodes of season seven began on August 31, 2016 and continued until the end of February 2017.
On October 22, 2016, AT&T disclosed an offer to acquire Time Warner, the merger would bring Time Warner's various media properties, including Home Box Office, Inc., under the same corporate umbrella as AT&T.
The problem with Game of Thrones is it started off as a carefully crafted medieval period drama, turned into a run-of-the-mill show that killed off the main characters simply for shock value, and ended as a rushed mess that the writers were trying to wrap up as quickly as possible and clearly didn't care about anymore.
@@gawkthimm6030 It began in season 5 already because at the end of season 4 D&D had a big argument with the author GRRM because they didn't want to adopt his plotlines but to simplify them and dumb the whole story down because they didn't like the fantasy aspect of the story.
Eventually GRRM left the producer team after the end of season 4 and never talked to D&D again. D&D still knew most of the key moments of the story but you can really notice a big drop in quality of writing starting with season 5. (Dorne, Stannis, Barristan Selmy, ...)
@DrCruel Most of the deaths weren't for shock value but taken from the book source.
@@gawkthimm6030 it began to slow down and level off in season 5 with the Dornish story. It began to slip down a hill in season 6, rapidly accelerated in season 7 and threw itself off a cliff in season 8
GoT went to shit when they ran out of source material and suddenly had to come up with their own ideas for the first time in literally years
For those that are unaware, the show went off the rails the minute season 5 came out. They went completely off book, hollywoodified the shit out of it. The fact Dan and dave didnt respect the source material is the main reason the show collapsed. There isnt much more to it than that. They couldnt make the ending good cause they ruined the middle of the story (A feast of crows, a dance with dragons) so once they had no source material (the last two books) and without george's input, the show could not be as good as seasons 1-4.
What source material? They ran out of source material. As much blame as I think they deserve I think everyone is giving George a free pass which considering he promised to have more books done is not fair.
@@rickclark7508 Thats assuming they did the story of A Feast For Crows and A Dance With Dragons justice, which they didn't. That was enough material for at least two more seasons.
@@Fanon4k I would say it's not even "for you" or "for me". They had material for at least four seasons covering books 4+5, didn't use it, and then blamed George for lacking an ending. I'm glad D&D lost their star wars deal, because I think they are partially to blame for George not finishing the books when TV studios keep demanding he release content for the spinoff shows.
Got is that person for whom you fell in love for years and made you feel like you were having your destined happy love. And at the end, you realize they cheated on you several times and that it was all an act for your money.
You remember them with sadness and kindness sometimes, but you don't wanna have anything to do with it.
Nah. It's not a good metaphor. It's more like the person you fell in love with for years got really bored with the relationship and then ended things in the most messy, disastrous way possible to make you think back about the whole thing with sour thoughts.
And yet you're gonna go crawling right back to them when new content comes out because you don't wanna be out of the loop.
@@ADeadlierSnake nope, im going pirate :) wont give them any cent unless they prove themselves
@@asuhdude6668 Well I guess we'll see, but I promise you that isn't gonna happen. Not on a large scale. If people actually stopped playing/watching stuff when they said they would, then we wouldn't keep getting this trash.
Yeah, that's just it.
Lindsay Ellis said knowing how mean spirited the ending is ruins the rewatch, I’ve never agreed with her more 👍🥲
My exact same feelings
Love Lindsay. Her GoT videos are top notch
@@DefenestrateYourself Yeah! I always quote what she said in one of her GoT videos: "In the end of the day you have to love something a lot to be this disappointed"
She's spot on! You start to watch the first 4 seasons and then it hits you how much of a nosedive these rich characters and plotlines are headed......now you can't even continue
Honestly I just watch the first four seasons and leave it there.
The last two seasons killed this show. I just can’t bring myself to rewatch it knowing how badly it ends…
Totally! The greatest betrayal of all time. Can't go near it ever again!
Last 3*
Yeah that episode in season 7 where they go beyond the wall to catch one of the white walkers was when I knew that the show was done
I honestly didn’t mind season 7
After the Finale part of me wonders if George R.R Martin himself just said "Fuck this series".
The show could have been saved up through Season 8 Episode 2. Unfortunately, Weiss and Benioff simply decided to stop giving a damn. Wrapping up the Night's King in one episode was *horrendous*. Dani going from hopeful, enlightened ruler to insane despot in two episodes is similarly ridiculous. Having Jamie completely abandon his entire character arc and revert to his Season 1 self - in one scene - was a slap in the face. The half-baked nonsense ending in S8E6 was an intentional betrayal of the most loyal of fan communities. Weiss and Benioff should never work in the industry again. I will certainly never invest my time or emotions in any product of theirs going forward - what they did was nothing short of going from fan to fan to fan - millions of us - and individually spitting in each of our faces. If you're burned out, take a year off. HBO offered them three seasons of ten episodes each to wrap up GoT but they turned it down and gave us six episodes of rushed, phoned-in, deus-ex-machina-infested dumpster leakage. Unforgivable.
Check out who was one of the writers for "X-men origins: Wolverine"... (the movie that gave deadpool swords that pop out if his arms like Wolverine's claws and sewed his mouth shut...)
FYI - Dani's actions in burning Kings Landing are completely consistent with her own character actions in the previous seasons...and also consistent with ensuring she still has a path to the throne open when all the nobility rejects her. The scary thing is that most fans don't understand the truth that Dany did NOT go mad...that her pursuit of the throne meant she would do ANYTHING to get it.
Killing the Night King in that way was ridiculous...there needed to be a lot more background showing how / why Arya could do it than was ever given.
Jamie's choice in season 8 is a CULMINATION of his arc. After all, Cersei is the MOTHER OF HIS CHILDREN. He would never abandon her to torture and public execution...and we would not accept him as a worthy knight of the seven kingdoms if he did. What was lacking here was execution. It was never made clear WHY he was returning...and shown that his return wasn't as lapdog, but as rescuer where HE would have the power of HER. It could have and SHOULD HAVE been done properly...but it wasn't.
I wouldn't ever hire D&D to handle my book series...as their inability to understand what made GoT successful is obvious.
However, I would also never trust most fans of highly successful franchises with being happy with the story outlines...ever. The shear lack of understanding of what is actually happening with major characters in GoT...the insistence that characters be merely comic book heroes rather than complicated characters...the absolutely dumb reasons for hating some Star Wars stories...
Yeah, you all hate D&D...and that is deserved. But most 'fans' are even less competent than D&D were...
lol,here i was,thinking hbo made them rush things up😣😣
@@dclark142002 Damn you wasted all that time and effort just to be wrong.
@@dclark142002
"Dany's actions were consistent with her own character"?
A person who frees tens of thousands of innocent slaves, seize her children (she sees her dragons as her children) after one of them kills a girl, and delay her main goal - Returning to Westeros - for 6 seasons just because the freemen needed her in Meereen. How a altruistic person like that is being "consistent" burning a whole city that had done NOTHING against her?
Yeah yeah she has done cruel and violent things throughout the story... but NEVER EVER to people she knew were innocent.
"Jaime would never abandon Cersei to torture and public execution" ironically he did just that in the Books. Really. On a Feast for Crows, when Cersei is arrested by the High Sparrow, accused of treason and would have a trial that could setence her to death, she sends a letter to Jaime pleading him to save her. Jaime was in the Riverlands and he simply burned the letter and went to solve other problems there... And everyone in the comunity thinks that Book Jaime is a better knight than Show Jaime, so...
(Sorry for my bad english. Still learning)
GoT seasons 1-4: "Gods, I was strong."
Season 5 would’ve been better if they did the Dorne storylines justice. Like keep the actual characters in Dorne like Arianne, Darkstar and maybe oak heart (could’ve subbed him and his story with Bronn). And make the sand snakes more accurate to how they’re presented in the novels.
S6 wasn't bad either.
S5 gets too much hate in my opinion, even tho its obviously not the best Season. S6 is underrated.
Imo everything was pretty much on point from S1-6. S7 was the moment where my alarm started ringing.
Season 5 was the turning point. All the philosophy and great dialogues were gone. I was not invested in the show any more. Thanks to my lowered expectations, my disappointment wasn’t bad. I stopped watching it after season 7 episode 2.
GoT season 5-8: "STOP THIS MADNESS IN THE NAME OF YOUR KING"
GoT is like a relationship that started off with excitement and fun and ended as an utter nightmare. Trying to dwell on the early good memories doesn’t work. You just try to learn from it and then forget the whole thing.
You gotta divorce em! You gave em your heart and time, and they spat in your face!
Peter this is probably the best way to put it I've ever seen. I just can't go back and rewatch them. Everytime it crosses my mind I'm reminded of how dirty they do ALL the characters and will just be mad the whole time.
Perfect metaphor. I’ll have to remember this.
@@dustin628 I just rewatched it all this past month, and I’d say it’s 100% worth the rewatch for the first 4 seasons alone. They are top top quality and worth watching again, then after that’s it’s your choice how much further you want to carry on
@@dustin628 perfectly said. I still get extremely pissed off every time I think about how much of a dumpsterfire the entire show became. Should have been the greatest series of all time.
I was expecting Arya to fly off on a unicorn playing an electric guitar by the last episode. Why even bother
I wish
LOL I mean she kind of did just that.
@@memyself898
Yeah, the night king was no match for the plot armor ninja.
STILL A BETTER ENDING
She might as well have done that
Avatar the Last Airbender is probably the perfect TV show that GoT could've been. Until now, fans are still talking about ATLA with love and nostalgia. GoT was such a waste. Producers/writers lost their love for their show and it shows
I was a massive overly obsessed with this show and I hated the finale so much that I don't think I could ever watch any spinoffs.
Yeah. Probably best thing to do. Like Arthur Morgan said in rdr2, “Go. Don’t look back”.
I haven't watched GOT so I didn't know what the complaining was about but then Avengers endgame came out and yeah... I feel your pain
Same here, I was a massive fan turned furious and disappointed fan that felt let down...it left me with such a bitter taste in my mouth, I don’t think I could watch any spinoffs either. So sad that the finale killed this once incredible show...
@@brandonlink7471 You are moronic. Game of Thrones as a whole is still great, even if the ending is kinda eh
@@laurenw3300 Yall are like petty children lol. Grow up. The only thing ruining the show is you guys and your inability to see past a final season that was regular, not even terrible
I'd prefer a redo of seasons 7 and 8 way more than any spinoff
If they were really going that way then they ought to redo everything after season 4. Season 5 on was garbage that inexorably led to the ending everyone hates, but the seeds for that were all planted by the many failures of Season 5. It just became a different show after Season 4 -- something felt off, like watching GoT fanfic or something....
@@troopieeeeee i thought season 6 was pretty enjoyable, maybe not as great as 1-4 but shouldn’t be grouped in with 5, 7, and especially 8. Plus it would be a tall ask for them to redo the Battle of the Bastards and it be as great as it is currently. But i totally agree the spirit of the show shifted greatly after the first four seasons
@@fahimrahman98 Season 6 had some "gotcha!" moments thrown in with a big ol' river of shit.
Yessssss!!!
@@troopieeeeee -- But show was ALWAYS going to end with "Targaryen Madness" and Jon killing Daenerys. That bit of FORESHADOWING was in play from the very first episode. GRR was ALWAYS driving the boat toward that gut-punch in the books too. The only question was if Jon was going to get Danni preggers first.
This is the same story where "True Love" led to Robert's Rebellion and the sister-boinker pushing Bran out a window. There was NEVER a "they lived happily ever after" waiting at the end of GoT.
I'm sorry everyone seemed to forget that before they were forced to contend with Daenerys being a villain with a sympathetic back-story and Jon having spent the whole show a "useful idiot constantly failing upward".
I'm just glad I hated EVERY Lannister so much I could never bear to watch an entire episode after the first. Positively _heroic_ acting.
It just shows how CRITICAL it is to stick the landing. Look at Breaking Bad, cherished, legendary status to this day, now looks at Dexter and Got started out great ended badly both pretty much forgotten
I haven't forgotten Dexter :(
@@spikem5950 there’s another season coming
If they’re “pretty much forgotten” then why are all you people still talking about it years later I wonder lmao
@@Smahdeey Another what
@@spikem5950 where does the show "Lost" fall in here?
The way house Tyrell went out was the final nail in the coffin to me. Everything just felt so rushed. Such a shame.
Bombing the sept was the stupidest part of the show, easily, and then somehow the instasiege of Highgarden was even stupider. Was there even a problem to solve in the first place? What was the point of the show?
I hate that the awesomeness of GOT cant be talked about without acknowledging the steep decline of S7-S8. Like even in passing with another fan - you cant be like "remember that Hound eating chickens scene?" without an awkward sigh and sorrowful shake of the head before moving on to another subject.
Well, Seasons 5 & 6 had some "bad pussy," too... :P
Game of Thrones is like a great meal ruined by a horrible after taste
@@ThePreciseClimber Yeah there were signs the wheels were starting to wobble there but even upon a second viewing, it didnt seem like the show was faltering as much as just some seasons are better than others. There were still logical and great character and story beats happening in S5 and S6. By 7, the wheels were REALLY wobbling though - thats when it def felt like the show was losing its way.
@@steveprescott696 and by season 8, the whole fucking wheel collapsed and burned.
My soul was shattered from that great betrayal of season 8! I need a long time to heal...
How did D&D get away with it? How did they have so much clout that HBO couldn't get rid of them? Martin said he'd come back and it could go for 10 seasons, HBO wanted more but D&D were able to say "nah, we do it this way"
Spoiler: nobody in a suit at HBO actually cares about the shows being good, only that they make money. For the duration of season 8 everyone was still subscribed so as far as they care HBO still "won."
Look at any of The Dragon Demands channel episodes and you'll understand why.
The synopsis, Benioff and Weiss or Dingus and Doorknob, but more specifically Benioff had lied about his credentials to get the show on the ground with the former administration at HBO. This is due to Benioff being the son of Stephen Friedman, the former CEO/Chairman of Goldman Sachs, which has financial stakes in Warner Bros and Friedman was friends with the then CEO of HBO Richard Plepler.
When the original pilot failed and Benioff was caught red handed, he strong armed Plepler into putting more money after bad via the sunk cost fallacy, bordering on blackmail to get the pilot remade or else he8have to explain why he didn't vet Benioff properly. So yeah, it's a case of nepotism and the Old Boys networks.
That is how he got away with a lot of crap that would have gotten any other showrunner fired and even imprisoned due to overwhelming negligence and incompetence. James Hibbard's book and The Last Watch documentary practically confirms the aforementioned.
@@TheSeraphimArtist also d&d got the rights from George to make the show and they licensed it to HBO. They had complete control and HBO literally couldn't make it without them
In addition to what the others have said, the first few series were a mostly straight adaption, but D&D clearly didn't understand WHY it was good.
They then went on believing they were geniuses for such a good show, and I think season 6 onwards they really found it much harder than they expected, and it shows in their lack of interest.
They were so convinced they were geniuses they said, of GOT, that "themes are for eighth-grade book reports".
A lot of the terrible decisions were purely their own, because they thought that twists = good writing. They didn't understand why Ned and Robb had to die, they just thought killing characters was what people liked.
@@user-yg5sx9mz1q Which does explain why they couldn't just up and leave when HBO practically urged them to hire more people for the writers room. Which I forgot to mention. There was only Dingus and Doorknob, they're henchie turned writer Bryan Cogman and Dave Hill. Though it was mostly Dingus and Doorknob. I assumed at first due to ego, Benioff couldn't handle his name not being top billing and possibly sharing it with someone the audience might favor instead. Something that irritated those attending their panel at the notorious Austin Film Festival convention.
I have mentioned to others if they wanted to do the series faithful, after Season 4, they should have taken a gap year like The Sopranos.
This would give them breathing room to properly write Season 5(Book 4), take another gap year in between Seasons 6 and 7(All of Book 5) going into Season 8. And they'd all be 10 full episodes btw.
That would also allow the cast to have rest or take up smaller projects to build their portfolios of work.
And this would have inspired GRRM to finish the series as he would have seen they were taking their time with the material, giving him the time he would need to finish all of the books to be ready to publish as the official last season/s start airing.
Theoretically, this plan would extend GOT by about 8 years, more than enough time to hypothetically finish the series while also giving us the world book and Fire and Blood.
Considering it's peak, and it's fall the show is exactly like the poem Ozymandias. Once stood above all other shows, mighty and unrivaled, a massive cultural touchstone and now "Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
I think what made first seasons so good is the shuddering realization that no one is safe. That the characters you love might die and no amount of sheer heroism can save them. I've crying my eyes out so many times, aimlessly walking around the house unable to watch next episode, and yet unable to keep myself from doing it. I was LIVING it. And then... It all changed. Things started happening "in the right way". Good guys were winning just because they are good, bad loosing just because they are bad.
There's not a word that describes it more than "disappointing" and there's nothing we can do about it now
I can't even watch the earlier seasons anymore, it just makes me feel so sad, angry and bitter. I can't stop thinking about how it all ends. It's like trying to look at happy pictures of an old relationship after you find out they were cheating on you all along.
Same here. So angry so sad so bitter. It's the greatest betrayal of all time. So painful I can't.
@@chrismassalas well, not the *greatest* betrayal of all time. I think I can think of a few greater betrayals . . . Like maybe the Trojan horse or Nazi gas chambers disguised as showers?
But I agree, the ending ruined the whole show. I feel most bad for Emilia Clarke.
Just pretend GoT ended at season 6 (even though it started going downhill in season 5). Regardless of how awful the ending was, the first 4 seasons are still masterpieces and enjoyable to watch
I know it’s dramatic but I don’t think I’ve ever been so burned by a show as I was by GoT. It legitimately took me a while to get into a new show again.
I get you completely, the feeling of utter betrayal was so hard that even thinking about the show makes me sad... sometimes I get the urge to rewatch the earlier seasons but I can’t bring myself to do it because I think it would hurt too much
@@jaguarenduda Right. I loved the characters and they all just turned into shells of themselves. Literally not one character didn’t suffer from this in the last season. It seems pointless to rewatch the show when you know where they end up. Just so many incredibly wasted opportunities. It’s so maddening too to think there COULD have been more but D&D wouldn’t pass it up and sped through it for a project that didn’t end up even happening, so it was all for nothing 😒
@@Amber-hf8uo the original culprit is actually GRRM for not finishing the books on time . I mean yes the building was crumbling but only because the foundation was not finished in the first place.
@@samkul1699 Fair but I still feel like they could have passed off the show to someone else. Like the interview where the say Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet I was just like 😑😑😑
@@samkul1699 I disagree. GRRM is not responsible for the quality of the show, and D&D should have been able to keep it good even without the new books, that is, if they were good writers - which they proved they are certainly not. Besides, the show had deviated so much from the books due the cutting of characters and plot elements that they should have been prepared to build an ending specific to the tv series. They were arrogant and concentrated too many tasks on their own hands, they chose to not hire a writing team and kept all the writing to themselves, amongst several other mistakes. They talk very openly (and proudly) of their inexperience as show runners when they started the GOT project and all the several rookie mistakes they did because of it - sometimes I’m even surprised GOT worked at all in the first seasons, being in the hands of these two buffoons. Obviously, having too many responsibilities and being responsible for the show for years they got tired, and decided to rush the ending. There’s a youtuber - Mikannn - who did a 10 part GOT autopsy, going into detail in all the reasons the show eventually failed so spectacularly. Her channel is in Portuguese tho, and I’m not sure if there are subtitles but it is excellent content.
It’s like a bad breakup that leaves you with a broken heart you didn’t deserve, wondering why it all went wrong. It hurts but after little while, all of it just fiztles out and you can’t even remember the good times due to the shitty ending.
Exactly a very bad breakup with the greatest betrayal. I'm still healing because I loved the show sooo much!!
It all went wrong when they ran out of books to adapt
Ouch. Me. Lol
I see it as a “too little too late” situation. If they wanted the new shows to be good they should have gotten new directors to make the core show the best it can.
They honestly ruined it I don't even care anymore because I know where we end up so it's all for nothing and it's so sad because it was so amazing
@Clippy lol ... Used voice-to-text
@@thewayofthebeard3680 I have been disappointed before. This is something else entirely, and I don't even watch the show.
@@eatatjoes6751 -- a lot of people let themselves forget that this is the same show that had the red wedding.
There was NEVER going to be a happy ending.
@@Grizabeebles shit, people just wanted a good ending; didn't need to be a happy one.
@@bwhere45 -- I'll take that dare. Tell me what a good UNHAPPY ending would have been.
I think this quote from legendary game designer Shigeru Miyamoto sums it up perfectly: ""A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad,"
Except Majora's Mask! 😉
Unless you're cyberpunk, in which a delayed game can still be bad.
That doesn't quite work the same for movies and shows like if a movie gets delayed that's usually a bad sign like everyone remembers the constant delays of New Mutants and how crap it turned out to be
You got to remember they took two years to make the final season. One more year than any of the others. It was NOT rushed. They didn't have any material to follow after they caught up to the books and made shit up :/
Uma Musume is a testament to that statement, though i am waiting for its English version.
Man, those golden GoT years were so good. I would get up at 3am on Mondays (damn timezones) to watch the new episode, and spend the whole week watching reaction and discussion videos, getting hyped for the following Monday. Those ten GoT-weeks was my favorite time of the year. It felt so monumental, the greatest TV show that ever was or will be. Hard cut to me staring blankly at the wall while Dany dies, feeling absolutely nothing.
On the day of my high school graduation exams, I literally spent the morning watching the season 4 finale instead of studying. And I did care about school but that's how addicted I was to the show
I got into the show during the end of season 5 and I remember the exact same thing. When it was sunday in my house, there was no fucking around we all watched game of thrones. I grew up loving lord of the rings and star wars and this was the next great thing in my opinion. I read the books, listened to the music, talked to my friends and dad about it, discussed online, etc. This show from 2016-2018 was my life, I fucking loved it. Season 8 really hurt me man. This show meant so much to me and the last season just fucked me in the ass.
Characters, plotlines, everything was subpar and rushed. I cant even rewatch the show and I accepted the fact that the books are over, since grrm is too fucking lazy and a sellout. Always going to cherish Got and your right, its the best show ever made but I can never get back into it :/
@@barkley8285 i know someone who is watching the show right now.. who has no idea anything about the show (crazy, right?? She's heard NOTHING about anything)
I've been watching it with her, and I'm telling you.. seasons 1-3 are INCREDIBLE. I never thought I'd ever watch it again.. but.. I'm thinking I should tell her, at least warn her.. this show will destroy her soul..
But.. she's not getting the experience of getting to talk about theories and watch breakdown videos, so I don't think she's as invested as most of us was.
A spin off could work.. if they don't "get burned out".. which is such a STUPID excuse...
It all went wrong when they ran out of books to adapt. The only reason why I’m somewhat excited about house of the dragon because it is base on the book
DnD only got all that praise because they were working hand in hand with Martin. Once he left the project to return to his books (which he admits that he sometimes regrets GoT) the series started a decline before a complete nosedive when they had no more of his notes, books, or ideas to use.
Kinda sad seeing how all the other work that Martin wants to do will always be outshined by GoT. Especially with fans of either his book, the shows, the games, or a mixture of the 3, are hounding him to write more of his books.
I just hope Martin finds success and enjoyment from whatever he works on next. Whether that be anything related to GoT or otherwise. DnD on the other hand I couldn’t care less about. Don’t really trust their abilities anymore.
Nope. The third book was enough for seasons 3 & 4. They still had books 4 & 5 to adapt for season 5+ but they just threw them away. The only storyline that is remotely similar to the one in those books is John Snow (until his death).
They didn't "run out of the material". They thought they're better than GRRM. I think they really started to believe that the success of the show was thanks to them and not some fat nerd who came up with the story.
They actually had several more of the books to adapt. The fourth and fifth book are very very different from the show because d and d didn’t want to adapt all of it. Instead we got a less good shortened version of the best two books in the series.
It’s crazy how I watched this show for years over and over and over again. I obsessed over the characters and studied the plot and now I literally do not even care to rewatch it again. All the magic is gone. I can’t even enjoy my favorite characters knowing how it ends
There's really nothing like it.
Pick the cringiest TV show from your youth and you can at least watch it with some irony. GoT just HURTS to revisit, coz D&D literally killed the quality of what was brilliantly setup
@@michaelotis223 for real. the nights watch and jon snows arc is probably my favorite of the whole show but now when I see the white walkers I just think that they amount to nothing and when I see jon snow I just think about him saying "you are m'queen" over and over again
@@michaelotis223 Hopefully something will be like it - a hopeful streaming adaptation of The Stormlight Archive.
The books are the greatest I've ever read, Brandon Sanderson writes way quicker than George RR Martin, and the upcoming finale to the first five book arc is looking to be amazing, and stick the landing.
So flee Westeros my friends, and join me in Roshar, where we will feast on chouta and toast to a mug of lavender wine.
The ending didn't just betray the fans, but the actors who portrayed these characters. Poor Emilia.
@Nina The truly horrible part of that story is that they didn't actually tell Emilia. She found out the same time you and I did, except she was at a finale watch party with fans who'd won an internet contest. How embarrassing.
The Dragon Demands TH-cam channel goes in to a lot of detail on this subject but there's ample evidence to support that were a lot of last minute changes to the story. Emilia shot that scene on the back of the dragon in green screen with just the producers and a camera man around. The original script (that the cast was seen reading in "The Last Watch") probably had the buildings exploding from wildfire (presumably placed by Cersei). In the one of the season 8 blu-ray commentaries the special effects supervisor guy mentions they had to change the colour of the flames (from green) at the last minute because Benioff told him to. Now, I have no reason to believe the original ending that was presented to Emilia was any better than what we got but it sounds like, at least, Dany didn't go full crazy-evil. Of all the actors in that show it feels like she was betrayed most of all.
I know ...That was her Legacy...and the writers literally shit on her character. She does a total 180 for no reason, she did not kill a innocent or two..she fucking went NUTS and everything she had stood for and all her good hearted actions and deed since she was like a little girl just made ZERO sense.
Jamie's character arch made ZERO sense. he runs back to cersei !?
Cersei's death was just sooo stupid ....FUCKING ROCKS!?!? ARE YOUR FUCKING KIDDING ME ROCK!SS?SS
Varys who was this mastermind of secrets and subterfuge who survived like 3 violent and crazy kings and rose to power from nothing to being the spymaster of Kings landing in season 8 he turns into a fucking potato and literally leaves his entire plans to betray his queen in the fax machine by her desk for her to find ...like how stupid!?!
Danny turned from Mother Teresa since she was19 years old and in the last second turned into Hitler and was casually burning women and children
Jon Snow never even fought the night king...we were promised a showdown and we were robbed...Arya is cool and all...but come on..it should have been jon
Arya's powers were meaningless...she was the perfect assassin and she just never uses her powers again to kill ANY of Carsei's top Men
What was up with the Red Priestess?! what about the Lord of light's master plan?! Why bring Jon Snow back if he did not even kill the Night king!? ...what was the Point !? HELLO!?!
And Bran stark....dont even get me started on his fucking storyline ... I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO BE A POWER TO RIVAL THE NIGHT KING!!!... WE WATCHED HIS CRIPPLED ASS CRAWL AROUND THE NORTH FOR LIKE 7 SEASONS AND ALL HE DOES IS TELL US WHO JON REALLY IS THAT IT!! I thought Bran was going to Warg into Danny's dragons or maybe use his powers to somehow take over a sizable portion of the night king's undead forces with is own powers or find some ancient magic that could help the heroes finally weaken and defeat the Night King ...Remember when he Warged into Hodor that one time?! I thought his powers would grow stronger and with superhuman effort he would be able to turn the tide of the fight against that army of the dead for a short while.... Nope...nope...Bran the Broken fist of his name... ohhh go fuck yourself....
Fuck Emilia. The directors had been trying to get her to portray her character in a darker way since season one and she refused. It’s her fault some fans didn’t see her turn to madness coming.
@@chrisd8006 you’re wrong about so many things it’s not even funny. No wonder you hated the final season.
@@sackthebastard have u got a source for this? I've never heard about emilia refusing to play the character in a darker way before. Why would they hire her if they didn't like the way she portrayed the character?
I cannot, in good faith, emphatically tell my friends that they should watch Game of Thrones now. [As a friend once did to me]
This fact makes me sad.
For years I was desperately trying to get my dad to watch the show. When he eventually got around to it he was immediately hooked like most of us were. We had several fun conversations about the show which eventually led to us being utterly disappointment in the ending. I have run across several people now who have never watched it but I'm also unable to recommend it to them. It's a shame because I'll never again be able to see the joy that most experience when watching the first 4 seasons.
Hard same here too. 5 or so years ago I turned people on to the show. Now if people ask, I would say either just watch the first 5 seasons and walk away, or just don't. It really is that bad. I'm barely motivated to even read Winds of Winter now.
I did a rewatch recently. I thought I would just be too brought by the ending to enjoy it... I was so wrong. Those first 4/5 seasons are still so damn good.
It's the only thing I've ever apologised for recommending. I genuinely felt bad that I got people into the show.
A part of me wants my family and friends to watch so we can debate how bad those last seasons were lol but I never say “you should watch it”. They just listen to my rants and try not to bring up dragons 😅🥲 it so sad! I’m still obsessed with the lore and the world, and I’ll read the remaining books when/if they ever come out, but I will not recommend!
The first four seasons were wow! It had potential to being the best television of this generation, but from that point on the seasons got shorter, the pace sped up, less happened and stories were abandoned.
We were promised an almighty war of a thousand years. We got about 20 minutes where some guys on horses were killed and that’s about it.
Finally, no one learned anything, loads more died and they made a minor character the king for no reason at all. I am wondering if it is the worse ending ever. It must be up there with lost or how I met your mother…
they say that with a TV show, audiences only really remember 2 things when everything is said and done... the beginning and the end.
and they really effed up the end...
Tell that to Breaking Bad. I haven't rewatched it in a few years but I remember that show better than I remember my own life a week ago.
every time I get an ad for a GoT game and I hear that GoT theme song, I experience the trauma again.
They are re-running GoT here. One season a day. And I find myself watching Stargate re-runs instead. That is my badly the (lack of) Long Night traumatised me.
@@Atalanta1313 You have chosen.. wisely.
The absolute worst episode of SG-1 never made me go "screw this show."
It's amazing how the show runners didn't understand why people liked the show they were in charge of. They should have ditched Dumb and Dumber after they ran out of book material
Some time ago I realized that, by season 4, GoT had become something so big that they could've brought in pretty much any director/writer they wanted
It's amazing how tbe writer of the books didn't finish his story but decided that a tv series based off of them was a good idea
they should have gotten Neil Gaiman and one of the former runners of doctor who to run the show after they tossed Moron and imbecile out Steven Moffat knows how to write excellent dialog and knows how to torture the audience with character deaths.
The problem with ditch D and B is that they own the right to Game of Thrones. Martin sold the film rights to them, not HBO
@@narufan987 it was also interesting that Season 4 (roughly Book 4) had so much cut from it and D&D rushed ahead to produce subpar crap.
I never even watched the final couple of episodes, I just lost interest after the Ice king was killed by Arya. I just watched the reviews about how it ended, and I was not impressed. The show had an amazing buildup, but a buildup will feel meaningless if there is no satisfying payoff. A show can have a bad start but still become beloved if it has an great ending, but a show with a bad ending won't even be worth re-watching even if it had a great start.
Its like an Olympic gymnast whose flawless routine crashes and fumbles around consistently in the last 20 seconds then does a fist pump and walks off the mat giddily self assured.
I think a good way to rewatch the series is to treat "The Winds of Winter" (6x10) as the series finale and pretend S7 and S8 don't exist.
S4E10 is a better end. Everything from there on out is garbled character motivations, weird plot points, teleporting characters and dialogue consisting of "cock", "balls", "cunt", "whore", etc, because D&D thought that immature teenage speech was edgy af.
100% agree. The Battle of the bastards was maybe the last GREAT great moment in the show
Honestly the finale of s7 would have satisfied me because at that point there was still something to look forward to, the whole point of the series hadnt been destroyed yet. Its for that reason so many could overlook all the technical issues of everything post s5, until "The Long Night" ruined everything and then the rest of the season was just pissing on the remains
I'm exactly the same. Jon as KITN with Sansa at his side.... such possibilities!! As far I'm concerned GOT ends after S6.
I can't. I just know how shitty it ends and I can't bare to even rewatch a single episode. I just want to forget the whole thing.
It’s like having a pet that you love for 10 years suddenly be run over by a truck and then dragged away by wolves into the woods in front of you. They ruined it and I can’t bear to rewatch
Lmao
I don’t know if that metaphor really works. I’d compare the ending to a dog that you loved for years until one day it bit your eye out.
@@isaacwilcox3010 that metaphor u just said works so well, you love the dog but you will always remember when it bit ur eye out
Was on its way to becoming the GOAT.... then crashed and burned like wildfire
Remember those jokes when fans would say that they feel sorry for the people that died before the ending, well that didn´t age well
The thing is none of the main actors even bothered with that 10 year anniversary drama 💀😂😭, it's so funny, I legit expected Kit or Emilia or Peter or Lena to appear in new videos promoting it but nah, it's like as soon as their contracts ended, they couldn't care less.
I would´ve done the same if they had destroyed all the good work from the first 5 or 6 seasons. Why should they care for something that even the creators didn´t care about?
You could tell from interviews the cast was pissed
@@15r52 It seemed like some of them definitely were thinking, "Yeah, I had a dozen ideas better than what the writers came up with."
I mean, Emilia showed her tiddies for nothing basically as far as that series goes. At least it jump started her career elsewhere.
@@Mrjohnnymoo1 or Kit with his bum
Game of Thrones is like your cool uncle who helped raise you but got addicted to meth and died.
You'll always love him and treasure those earlier periods but you're not blind to the self-destruction that eventually drove you apart.
I love the insane levels of hyperbole in this comment section. This one was dark lmao
More like: it turns out he was doing meth even during that "good time". You can't even enjoy them knowing how it all ended and wishing it didn't.
Addicted not just to any old meth, but Heisenberg's meth
That's deep bro
You just nailed it. I feel exactly the same!!! Sad and hurtful and I won't go near it again, too painful.
When I had betted money on Tyrion beeing a secret targaryan, from when the king raped his mother and Tywin never acknowledged him as his son, his affinity with the dragons hinted throughout the series and being the one to kill Cercei as the prophecy foretold
On john snow being the azor hai and ending up as the ruler
On mura returning with the sword dawnstar which was shown to hand it to john snow to wield it against the knight king because her house knew the secret of John lineage
On so many threads never properly closed because we needed crazy dany do big booms and cercei looking from a balcony…
The pain is always there- like being stabbed by a Morghul blade