George R.R. Martin Addressed Original Leaked Ending for A Song of Ice & Fire!
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Welcome back for another Game of Thrones and A Song of Ice and Fire video. In this video, I will be talking about George R.R. Martin's original outline for A Song of Ice and Fire. I will be discussing the five main characters from George R.R. Martin original leaked outline. He wrote this back in 1993, before his published his first novel, A Game of Thrones. George R.R. Martin admitted he was furious when he discovered it was posted online. Fans have now been analyzing this original ending ever since it hit the internet. Everyone wants to know; will A Song of Ice and Fire end like his original outline, or will it end like Game of Thrones? We will never truly know until George R.R. Martin officially releases the Winds of Winter and A Dream for Spring.
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A minute and a half of a ten minute video being promo is a bit unpleasant dude, maybe timecode if you're gonna spam that hard?
Who the hell actually believes that a 30 year old story outline was going to be followed? Only direhards that feel the need to cling to their hate of how the show went.
So many authors have stated over the years that story outlines are just original ideas of how they think their story is going to go and rarely ever end up being close to the finish product. Especially those writing a series.
@@guyincognito3199 I agree
My heart goes out to all the sweet summer children who actually believe he’ll ever finish the story, or even continue writing it at all.
I mostly pity them for still believing GRRM is a proper writer who is able to structure a narrative and actually end it.
hes too busy with the tv show spinoffs we know what happened when he walked away from got we are stuck between good got spinoffs and actually finishing the story. Bro is literally suffering from success
He has 2/3 of the next book, and is obviously not senile. Just give me Winds, and I'll accept no ending.
@@bjrnbrynemo9059 You sound like a crack-cocain addict begging for just one more hit!
I think it’ll finish still even if it’s George who actually does it. He has two people who already assist him with the stuff he is writing. I have little to no doubt that they know the endings for everyone. And if George really doesn’t ever finish them in his life. Those two will posthumously
I think after seeing the reaction that the ending of Game of Thrones got, and his falling out with Dave and Dan, he’s definitely changing the rest of the story on purpose and that’s what’s taking so long.
yep and he spent 5 previous books foreshadowing the end and now he has to figure out a way to change the ending but keep the foreshadowing. Painted himself into a corner.
I agree!
Wishful thinking. What is more likely is that the story got too big and he has a difficult time wrapping things up.
@@AN-sm9jumost likely a combination of the both.
@@randallwilliamson3838 Are we strictly talking about the ending scenes, or what's included in "the end" here? He spent five books foreshadowing Azor Ahai, Faegon/Dance of the Dragons 2, Euron's Lovecraftian apocalypse shenanigans, the Valonqar prophecy, Bran actually doing stuff etc. If anything, I have a hard time seeing how many things _would_ end like in the show.
I’m kind of shocked you didn’t put at least a brief mention of his recent blog post, saying that the more he writes winds of winter the further he sees it straying from the show.
Gods that's a relief ❤
@@christophergirardi8145 GODS I WAS STRONG THEN.
@@christophergirardi8145 And also, yes. But that’s kind of a natural conclusion, considering all the different plot lines circling around in the books.
I mean Euron alone will make the books way different than the show. Not even factoring in Aegon and Tyrion descending into something very dark.
It doesn't matter because if we're getting any book it will be only Winds, the story will never have an ending.
@@christophergirardi8145 Ain't no guarantee that it'll be good even if it is different from the show's ending, which I consider to be quite good tbh. At least the shworunners managed to keep their deadlines and gave us an ending, a prospect that seems increasingly unlikely with GRRM.
it was all Brandon Starks' dream as he lay in bed after his fall at the end of the first episode
Stop watching Alice in borderland
Bran it turns out is actually an author of do it yourself books and runs a cute little B&B in Vermont.
So...the "Lost" ending. Lovely.
Oh, that's good! Not only Robb still alive, but Ned, too!
Imagine if it went even further than Bran dreaming. Imagine if at the end, Aegon Targaryen wakes up and decides not to conqueror Westeros.
Doubt it ends like the show, Jon was the prince who was promised and the show straight up ignored it. The Lannisters were so lazily done. Even the starks were lazily done
Yeah, but George also says that the prophecies are notoriously unpredictable, unreliable or most often simply misinterpreted. That way, if he changes his mind about a plot line, it doesn't matter. Blame it on a dragon/wolf/fever dream or prophecy!
He literally said Bran would be king for almost 30 years. He reiterated this point after s8 came out. As the previous commenter said, the whole point of GRRM's books is that prophesies are unpredictable, and constantly misinterpreted. The Red Woman said that herself in the show. The Targareyens were famous for mispredicting their own prophesies and going crazy/killing a bunch of people because of it.
Well he confused me when he said Jon is already dead. Well in the show, he was but now he's not.. splain that if you will.
I imagine it IS Jaime who condemns himself and Cersei, but I doubt it's like what happens in the show.
@@imemberberry And that makes ne even more suspicious to it.
If you ask me it feels like we'll never get Winds of Winter or Dream of Spring.
we won't i think after seeing how bad the criticism of how the show ending which is probably how he intended much of it to go he he essentially either quit writing them althogther or is doing massive rewrites that will never get relased because of his death
He finished them as per contract... He would have outlined it and gave it in. It's done he's being a drama queen for his own fun and vanity
I think we’ll get Winds. (God willing) but yeah, aDoS is a long way off.
That said, there is the total possibility that because Winds is such a hard book for him to write, and it’s right before the resolution of the entire series; there’s a possibility that a dream of spring will be way easier because all of the set pieces will have taken place in book 6 and it’ll make book flow a lot easier
@@DongusMcBongusalways a possibility. But you would nvr put a 1000 dollar bet on it happening
Or Songs of Summer.
I write like George. I let the characters take me to where they want to be and honestly I feel that is the best way. My stories never end up being the same as my outline.
Same.I'm a writer too
Well you cant let up with just that. What do you write?
@@anastasiosgkotzamanis5277 I write historical romance
If the characters are truly fully realised, they should take on a life of their own and point you in the direction the story needs to go. I think writers sometimes get into trouble when they try to make their characters fit into something that isn't authentic. That's when the characters become two-dimensional. The character's are just by-products rather than the driving force of a story.
But I say all this as a reader not a writer - so what the heck do I know? 😂
It's the best way for YOU. Not for everyone. Some writers love to plot everything out first. That's how I do it. Evan Winter is another self proclaimed plotter. It just depends how you are wired - there is no right or wrong way. Although certainly, some things do change from my initial outline - but only a small percentage.
We know from the game of thrones interviews that George double R was pretty disappointed when the double Dave's had Aria kill the night king.. He called it out right lazy writing.. everyone knew he was building up John Snow. So now I genuinely believe he's allowing some time to pass So that the original ending still feels organic to the reader
There is no Night King in the books as the main villain,it was all producers idea trying to rip off Lord of the Rings.
The Night's King in the books was a different character.He was a rogue Lord Commander who loved a female other/white walker and existed thousand of years ago .
GRRM had Arya killing the NK, he panicked under criticism. The whole buildup of the character as an assassin, quiet as a cat, was established from the beginning. That's why she was able to swiftly run past the WW while everyone was focused on Bran.
@@imemberberry Did her training also bestow upon her the ability to materialize out of thin air/teleport? That scene must've landed on the cutting room floor.
@@tutorialslave she ran past, then jumped. Watch the scene again.
@@imemberberryall I remember seeing is Arya leave the room after talking with Melisandre then appearing from darkness, over the shoulders of white walkers,& knight king catching her by the throat. Never see her run by between those 2 scenes. Perhaps I just missed it tho 🤷🏼♂️
I hated the Bran as King ending. I hated the Danerys goes mad story. I hated Bran became King ending. I hated Jon goes back to the wall and his entire backstory lore disregarded. Have I mentioned how much I hated the Bran becoming King ending?
Years to digest it and I still hate it all now. As someone who had been with the series from its inception, it was such a let down.
That's why you're not reading Winds now. That GoT ending is pretty much what GRRM was gonna put in Winds. So bc people complained about s8 now he has to change everything and will probably not finish it. And the only ending we will know is s8 lmao
why do you think i came all this way?
Quite a bit of hate 😂😢
Bran being King of the North (not of all Westeros) make sense.He is Eddard Stark's oldest surviving son after all.
Daenerys as villain is not a bad idea only the execution in the tv show was atrocious.
It could work as desconstruction of the hero motiff like Paul Atreides in Dune/Dune Messiah.
@@asimhussain8716 totally fair and agreed. My despair at it is purely at the latter part of the tv series.
I understand why he makes it up as he goes. He’s not writing the story to be what he wants to happen but rather he lets the characters decide. For example, he looks at the personality, the thought process, and past experiences of characters to decide what the character will do like a real person. Like, “oh, this would be cool to do but this person wouldn’t do that because it’s not something they would with who they are as character and person. They would do this however. So how does that decision affect the other characters and how would they react to it”
I don’t know, but that’s my interpretation of Martin’s writing style. I could be so wrong on that. But if it is then I really like it. It feels like a real story and real people
I think there is a mediocre chance we will see the next book. But I don’t think we’ll ever see the last one.
I think he’s done with both, but they’ll be released after his death.
@@dceasedbrickfan74 What would be the point? He's just not interested in finishing the story.
@@Carrpocalypse I’m hoping he finished them during GOT & is sitting on them as his legacy. I’m delusional, I know…
@@dceasedbrickfan74 I believe it is more likely that a ghostwriter will complete Martin's books after his death. To be honest, I've lost faith that he will ever finish them himself.
@@Gurin81 sadly, I agree with you.
I think the broader outline he gave (three threats to Westeros, in the following order: civil war, Daenerys and her dragons, The Others) still stands. The more detailed outline obviously changed a lot.
I think the people watching show don't realize is it ain't about the "general outline." it's about the depth of all the moving pieces in how it comes to be. Also, all the built storylines were literally thrown to the wind and none of was done any justice. It has nothing to do with running out of content as it does the show writers rushing end of series and losing interest.
It's a draft those can change. George can do what he wants his story and his setting. He might of learned a few things about letting others davel with his work though.
The only thing I want to hear out of GRRM is the clackety clackety of a keyboard as he finishes the damn series.
I just hope he's changing King Bran... That was a horrible idea that literally almost EVERYONE hates
The story of ASOIF continues to expand when it should be contracting. You have to read through so many chapters of secondary characters. He should return to the central narrative and start wrapping it up.
what don’t they just give us a show based around robert’s rebellion?? So many story lines, so many of the characters we know and love..
Naw. That'll be overkill
@@everythingdivine no way. this crap show that’s on hbo now is overkill..
@@Se0420_ both are
George already said that his ending is going to be very different from the show ending
I believe George R. R. Martin has written and rewritten multiple copies/parallel universes of “Winds of Winter” and “A Dream of Spring” and has a living will to determine which copy/universe will be the final outcome on the time of his death.
I think exactly the same!
Then with heavy hearts, I pray that day comes soon. Too many fans have perished over the decade, may their souls rest once the books are out.
the iron throne has been upon by the Targaryens then the Baratheon/Lannister and soon it will be the starks. Having a poetic ending with the boy that started it all. At least that’s my theory. Will the throne injure him? I really would like to see that. I have yet to see ruler the throne has not injured. I want to see who the throne actually finds worthy of being the ruler of Westeros.
At this point, I just don't care any longer.
I'm finding it INCREASINGLY unlikely that WE WILL EVER EVEN GET The Winds of Winter, never MIND its successor!!!!
How the heck did it go from 3 books to 7?! One the one hand, glad it did bc I don't think he could have told the whole story in 3, but I could have settled for 5 and not been waiting for 2 more books.
"Catching ideas" is how David Lynch put it -- writing a story and figuring it out as you go, catching ideas, for it to organically evolve
Milking the channel again man. You have made this video at least 10 times. Basically scamming your fan base who are already sick we aren’t getting WOW
Come on man.. Christmas is coming and this man doesn't get a 13th month/vacation bonus like the rest of us leechers who are enjoying his work for free.
I believe the ending will be different 😍 just because of author's creativity and our joy to have two GOTS 😍😃😉
If he can make bran king and have it actually be good, that would be rad, but I also could see him totally giving us something unexpected. That's why it takes so long but also he's talented.
Or…instead of being butthurt about the bad reception about the show’s ending and rewriting the whole thing, that a lot of you suggested in the comments…he is just taking his time with his creative process AND living his life to the fullest in his old age without taking any obligations from anyone 🤷🏼♀️
We certainly didn’t know Mr. Martin in the past as someone who bows to his readers/audiances wishes for his stories, why would he do that now, with possibly his magnum opus?
Personally I think regardless of how the story of ASOIAF will end, it definitely will tie everything together and none of us will be left feeling dissapointed. Well, of course it won’t be an “everybody lived happily ever after” but the plot itself will not be lacking like how the show have dealt with it.
My personal theory is that George R.R. Martin's ending was pretty close to the GOT ending, but when everyone reacted so poorly to it, he knew he would need to figure something else out.
That's my opinion as well. He saw how utterly hated it was by the majority of people and was sent scrambling to find a different way to end the books. Which I hope fervently is true because if the books have the same ending as the show I'll host book burning parties of the series.
@@margisama I wouldn't mind the show ending ultimately, since so much of what would make or break is the greatness of the writing. No matter how he ends it, I really hope he can pull more of the lore, prophecy, and sub plots together at the end.
@@codyjocoit wasn’t that the ending sucked. It was just done poorly. I think it will end similarly in the books but it will actually make sense.
Disagree, by season 6-8 the book and show were so far apart that it couldn't happen.
I don't really agree. There are several different things in the books - the Others have a different origin in the books and the TV series never squared away the conflict between the 2 gods, R'hllor and the Great Other. Also, the prophecy of Azhor Ahai.
I can see Daenarys going bad, but it will not go as sloppy as it did in the series.
Another awesome episode, your Grace.. I just wanted to point out that at the end there I was really hoping for the send-off to say, “We will meet again.” 😂😂 thanks for the great work you do!! ❤
he probably gave the show his story and he saw the backlash and is probably rewrting the winds of winter now
I think you are right that the outline doesn't matter and that no character is safe listed as safe in the outline, but I must admit I think George R. R. Martin is angry enough at the leaked outline and directors not including him in plans for the last series, that he may not be as motivated to write or finish the novels anymore. And since he is up in age already and there is a great amount of pressure on him to have his books become better than the series and the outline, and since he is already financially secure, with a good reputation and respect, having already proven himself successful, I am not so sure he is going to finish the series and might prefer leaving everything in wonder where fans would create their own ending and still imagine the best about what George R. R. Martin would or could produce.
After all getting a satisfactory ending is as hard or harder than the beginning and story setting, especially for someone who figures things out as you go along.
From an academic prospective, I have enjoyed reading the drafts summaries, it reminds me of reading Tolkien’s notes and letters. I wouldn’t want to wait for GRRM to die and have some editor release books 20 years from now (like Tolkien). I would much rather be able to ask a living grrm a question that arises from comparing the drafts. I don’t mean to get into asking factual questions of the story but ones that relate to the author’s creative decisions.
That was smart he tested it and Game of Thrones to see if fans would like it and Blamed it on the people that made Game of Thrones 😅😅😅 he a genius
The curse of phenomenal writers will always be writing the end of the story first.
Ending GOT with Daenerys as the villain made the entire series useless. It could have been better another season was added and Daenerys was resurrected similar to Jon Snow.
I honestly don’t think he will ever finish it. I think if it’s ever finished it’s going to be by Elio Garcia & Linda Antonsson who will finish them (or someone who’s as close to the writer, familiar with his writing style & who knows all about Westero’s). But I don’t think he will be the one who finishes it.
Maybe, in a few years, he can just give the raw ideas on how it all shall end to an AI so it will finish the books in the original stile. I have no hope that we will see several books, otherwise.
Thank you for posting this video... Verrrry interesting! I note that in the letter, after the redacted portion, Mr. Martin ends with "But that's the second book." Could that mean he was thinking ahead to a sequel to the trilogy? Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
The second book of the trilogy. If you look at the other storylines (The Others are still north of the wall and Dany is just finding her eggs) the outline doesn't go very far into the story.
I don't mean to be rude but you need to get over this. WE ALL KNOW THAT EVERYONE HATED THE ENDING. You need to moved on. We are all sick and tired of hearing this repetitive reporting. The series is over years ago. Time to moved on.
Some people know that once you get into a story the characters take on a life of their own and do not always do what the writer wants them to do.
Of course they always do what the writer wants. The writer writes them. They can change in the writers eyes but they arent some entities that take on independence. George is in full control of the story.
George, maybe you should finish the books so that people won't be tempted to look for even a crumb of an ending for them.
If I had to guess. what will be is the pieces will land near to if not exactly where they did in the show. The biggest difference is the reasons for, and actions around why will be significantly better plotted out. in addition, I think some of the missing characters will aid in making the entire thing work in a more satisfying way.
I hated Bran being King and hated Jon being exiled, he was a hero and served justice for the massacre. His whole secret parentage was a damp squib, it was all just to make 'Fany's' ending more epic, I didn't like 'Fany, 'but they could have stretched out the downfall and spoon fed it better so it was easier to digest.
I had breakfast wit George, in 1993 at the worldcon outlines never see print in the longrun
When the show ended, I remember he was quoted saying the ending would be generally the same, but obviously some differences with the characters left out of the show.
Three volumes.... Even before diving into the massive morass that he crafted I believed, as a professional writer myself, that he should have stopped with three novels. A Feast for Crows was an unmitigated mess... He introduced scores of NEW characters and basically doomed himself ever finishing the story.
I would like to see all five of those characters survive as George originally planned, but he is the author and has the right to change his mind. I would also like to see him show up David & Dan for what they did with GoT and take a different tack for the saga, maybe even what he originally planned, but if he's making it up as he goes along (hell, almost all authors do that) then all best are off and a multitude of possibilities are open to him. I still hope against hope that he'll finish it, or at least leave a solid structure with supplemental details for any successor to complete it if he passes on before that. Robert Jordan did, and Brandon Sanderson finished The Wheel of Time series superbly.
The end in Game of Thrones with Danarys going berserk and Jon killing her is a great ending and FEELS like a George RR Martin twist. I think that's where this is going but that unlike the show it will be built up to, foreshadowed and the way there will make more sense. A lot of fans mistook an ending that is SAD and RUSHED and improperly foreshadowed as a bad ending because the Game of Thrones ending wasn't bad. Other stuff I think could be subject to change but I think that aspect will be the same
I really enjoyed this video and it was thorough. Thank you cuz you have me curious again. 😊
I don’t think he’ll ever finish the the story.
I agree. This is why I am not buying the books.
Jon is the embodiment of the books he will survive
I don't believe he wants to finish it. I think that part of his world was somehow ruined for him, likely due to how it ended with HBO but also the endless pressure from the public. He should have hired ghost writers, oversaw the story and be done with it, move onto something else instead of leaving this cliffhanger. I think he's like George Lucas where he's uncertain about things. George Lucas gladly had help at every turn is the difference between the two. George already has writers that help him.. so use it for this.
I love you playing one of my favorite GoT songs in the background!
My prediction is that we'll never see WOW... As he's Not working on it anymore. As you said, he did say Bran Stark would be King.... and that was in the show. I think we got an ending that covers what he was planning. Did I want more shows, yes, but I also enjoyed what I saw. I'm a big fan of the show and the characters we got to see play out the ending to the show. I think GOT was one of the best TV shows ever and can't wait for more... HOTD to continue it's run.
i think we would at least see the drafts of WOW in the worst case
@@ergohash2517 hopefully.
This leaked like a decade ago. I read that back in 2014.
John Snow will become the new next Night King in the North....
I don't think he'll finished either of the 2 final books. And I've come to grips with that. I used to look forward to any new news about them. But that ended about 4 years ago
It ain't about the "general outline." it's about the depth of all the moving pieces in how it comes to be. Also, all the built storylines were literally thrown to the wind and none of was done any justice. It has nothing to do with running out of content as it does the show writers rushing end of series and losing interest.
George R. R. Martin will never finish the series, he does not have the time, he's old and he is more interested in other stuff!
I’m glad it got leaked because it’s prbly the closest we’ll ever get to a finished ending
The ending in the series was almost perfect. I should probably end the same way. The only thing that was really wrong with the last season of the tv-serie was when the heroes marched to get a walker. Rather than this senseless march and talk, it should have been a retelling of events already happened. This way the story would begin very dramatically and then explain why it was dramatic. Other than this most other things were pretty much perfect.
Its really just sad how unlikely it is the books will be finished. I hold a small hope that hes secretly finishing the books and surprises everyone with both books completed before he passes. But if you see how long he has been writing the books, the further into the series he goes, he tends to take longer and longer to write. TWoW should definitley be done within a year or two but at this rate, the final book wont be out for 25 more years. Does he even want to write the books anymore?
Your point about why did he get so upset if it was made up makes sense and I agree. I feel like GoT took a back seat for him after he saw the critical response to the ending of the show.
There's two things that I'm absolutely 💯 sure of that will be revealed somewhere along in the next two books:
1.) Jamie will be Azor Ahai
2.) Cersei will be revealed to have poisoned Joffrey by accident.
@@asimhussain8716 Jon is not Azor Ahai, neither Jamie nor Jon fulfilled the prophecy in the books.Only Danny fulfilled it in the books before we even found out about prophecies
Nope, Dany is AA in the books
@@AlinuraTaskali-f2ejup and jon is second night king or the aquivalent of nissa nissa, dont know how they think jon can become the bad guy azor ahai
When he passes away is when we get more shows but if we are guessing i think dany will survive and rule for a queen targaryen to finally rule for once
I could imagine Bran warging into Jon's body. Jon might prefer to stay in Ghost. 'Ghosting' being certainly easier than ruling.
ASOIAF: Unfinished Tales.
Well,he is following Tolkien trends,no?
A song of Ice and Fire is his LOTR
Dunk & Egg his The Hobbit
Fire and Bloond his Silmarillion (by his own words)
If he sets it up correctly i think it can still work even if everyone knows the ending now.
GRRM said these 5 characters will survive till the last book that doesn't mean they'll survive the climax even in TV show Danny survived till the last season
I just hope we don't have the same situation as with Frank Herbert and the Dune saga, leaving us with a cliffhanger in Chapterhouse Dune and then going off and dying. I mean, George is getting up there in years, and he still has some books to finish before the story ends, so he better hurry up 😄
Where can I find this leaked material?
It is one thing to change your mind before concluding book 1. It’s another to change it after 10k pages of story, clues and lore
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I'm sure he was mad because it was effectively a violation of privacy. Not sure if it was a breech of contract as I am not in the publishing world but I am in the general marketing world and I can see why leaking the outline would cause buzz and chatter, but from GRRM's prespective I can see why he was mad. Even if it is completely not relevent anymore or if ever.
I'm glad it did. Especially because he's never going to finish it and I want to know the ending.
Bran is the worst character in the books or show. If that is the true ending, I hope he never finishes the books. Just leave it as is.
If it where to have same ending then I believe the books would have been done
Well you confused me when you said Jon is already dead. Is that in the books that Ive not read. Bcz we know that in the show, he is not. Which is it? Either he is or he isnt. Bcz we know in the show he was dead but was brought back by the red woman. I'm sooo confused.🥴
I haven't read them but in the books they ended at Jon being dead at castle black
Jon Snow=Schrödinger’s cat.
I still can’t believe bran becoming king was actually George’s idea wtf was he thinking 😂
Considering faegon n blood magic are in the books I don’t think it will end the same as got tv show
It has to be different given how many plots were not even IN GoT that are pivotal in ASoIaF. Could some just end up being fluff, maybe, but there are many characters and events that change the world of ASoIaF from GoT drastically. The biggest part I assume is that GRRM is changing things, a LOT of things to make an entirely different ending, and has to make things gel with every little detail in the novels... and it has become impossible. He can't remember it all without going back and, in doing so, realizes many other things won't work. He has basically put himself in a corner, and the only way out is to either do what he originally had planned or to just not do anything. I fear it's the latter. He won't finish his series.
I think the series ended close to what he envisioned in his books. But after the backlash of the last season, I think he will go in a very different direction. I mean way too many characters lived at the end in the series. I don't think that was what was gonna happen in the books, and I definitely don't think that's what's gonna happen in the books once finished.
Whether a character lives or dies in ASOIAF isn't really the point. The books and the tv show had more important things on their mind.
Anyone who thinks he will finish the books is dreaming. Did you see his last blog post? He blames fans and goes on a rant about climate change. WTF? He thinks he is a “thought leader” now.
I think we will never know.. George Plan is that ASOIAF will be unfinished
What I believe is those last two books won't be done before he passes away sadly.
I think it's mixed. Certainly, some things will differ. I know certain things didn't suit him with the show and he won't feel constricted to the show being Canon when of course it's the author's vision that is Canon.... and this series is his magnum opus.
I honestly think he's had the book in mostly finished form for a while... but as you said, he keeps rewriting it. There's probably 3 or 4 versions of the ending. Why doesn't he just pick one and declare it finished? Well... that's kind of the end of it all, right?
Sure, there can be spin-offs and such... but it's the end of the main thing. GRRM doesn't mind killing off characters... but the main story itself? It's like this with painters, too... or anything else creative. You can keep fiddling with it because it's not "done" yet. Once it's done and you let it go... it's then bare before the world, and you can't fix it anymore.
The danger is you can fiddle so much that you ruin it... and have to back up and restart... or even completely start over. It's why artists, whether they are writers or musicians, actually need deadlines as it forces them to eventually commit to choices and move on.
Bran definitely becomes king.
Dammnnn, TT has over 700K SUBS!! 💪 You’ll be at 1M before you know it. I’m guessing you’ll gain a lot more subs once S2 of HoTD starts. 🤔That’s impressive considering (For the most part) your channel focuses only on the world of ASoIAF.
my guess of why the last chapter of a song of ice and fire didn´t come out yet was: He told Dan and Dave his ending, they rushed through the last season cause of new job offerings and therefore tanked Martins whole idea so bad that it was cursed and unusable for his book. Now he has to come up with something new or just don´t write it at all. I saw a movie critic decipher the meaning of dany being the ultimate bad character and why the whole series leads to this conclusion and then realized it was Dan and Dave that couldn´t bring me along to the conclusion cause they rushed it.
The books will never be concluded. With how slow George R.R.Martin writes he would have to reincarnate a couple of times for this to be finished.
I would take almost ANY ending at this point for some sense of closure 🤦♀️
Dany dying in the show doesn't even matter because he had no hand in that
At this point, just pull a Brian Griffin and let the last page be a mirror with a caption that says. "You decide how it ends." And call it a f*** day.
I don’t think he intends on finishing the series as he seems to like socializing and producing television where he is the center of attention. Those people who wrote the guide books will finish the novels for him after he dies and the lie will be he left behind a manuscript better than any work in progress known to humanity. Something will change, but I also believe that Dan and Dave were given what was originally intended to be the ending of the series. While I may be in the minority, I think that they have been criticized way too much for their role in delivering what was an amazing show for its time. Just because you don’t like how something ends doesn’t mean it’s bad. And sometimes the creators of something like a television series may end up being better at their job than people give them credit for Disney how they feel for not following George Lucas’s original outlines for what he wanted to sequel trilogy to be. Say what you want about Mr. Lucas, but the way the sequel trilogy ended up, made the prequel trilogy. Look all the more better in the eyes of the fans. Right now for that franchise they’re just trying to minimize the damage creating a link to the original trilogy and the beginning of the sequel trilogy to make their decisions appear more natural. That is what I believe and I may be wrong, that’s my opinion and you can either believe it or not. It really doesn’t matter. Thank you for your time and consideration. Happy holidays.
The amount of times you say “a song of lce and fire”😂😂 take a drink everytime you hear it!
"Feel free to share this letter with anyone who wants to know how the story will go."
Mad or not, he gave permission.
Maybe he had actually planned the same ending for ASOIAF as in the show. Then he realized how outraged and angry the audiance were and now wants to rewrite the whole thing. But since he had already written a lot and spun a lot of plots, it's not that easy to change. He has to start somewhere new - and that takes its time.
fans will always imagine that they have a bigger impact than they actually do. It's kind of laughable how pathetic they are. Remember when y'all complained about season 8x3 of GOT being set at night and hence supposedly being too dark to see? House of the Dragon rightfully ignored those dumbass complaints.
tyrion and jon snow fighting over arya is crazy ngl