Hatsan Mod 130QE Carnivore - shooting test impressions
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ย. 2024
- Here’s a quick look at at my new big bore .30 cal airgun. It’s a bit of a beast, I’m slowly learning to shoot it accurately but it’s a challenge. Does is hit hard? Yeah! It packs a wallop. 😀
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Definitely a niche gun. When I first got my 135 in .30 I had to set my rear irons almost all the way left. I think that may have something to do with my hold. The rear sight now is basically centered and I can shoot surprisingly good groups. The thing is like carrying around a small telephone pole. Definitely will be used as a close to home feral pest eliminator.
Same! My rear sight had to go way over to the left. It’s a big, chunky airgun to carry around that’s for sure. I’m looking forward to seeing if I can master it. 😄
I have had my .30 hatsan for a few months now and adding to other comments, here are some things I learned. This beast needs a 3x9x40 scope for getting good grouping. This model is known for a bad fitup from barrel to body. That's why the open sights always have to be adjusted so far on windage. Every one of these I have done extensive testing on shoots far right. The barrel clearance at the breach is gapped on the left side and tight on the right. Hatsan needs to correct this issue. All hold down screws need to be checked and tightened before firing; and once the .30 is broken in after about 200 rounds it will with a good shooter group one inch consistantly at 45 yrds all day with predator pellets. No other pellets we have tested are as consistent and don't need a seating tool.
That’s impressive accuracy! Thanks for the info, much appreciated. Once the snow melts and I get my range back I’ll be messing around with the Hatsan again.
Yep 👍
I put the Nikko sterling gold air king scope on it’s awesome stays sighted in doesn’t go out happy as with it
Kia ora! - I have the Hatsan Mod 135 QE Springer in .30 Cal...best advise I can share for your Hatsan, is to strip the gun down completely!
For some reason the Factory uses really poor quality grease & oil (I think they use these more for storage than usage purposes)
My one was bloody terrible when i first got it...but after a complete tear down, cleaned all the 'muck' out of it and used high quality grease & oil in the right areas...a totally different gun!
There are some great videos by Mike Ellingsworth on youtube that walk you through a trigger rebuild and such for the carnivor...HIGHLY recommend these!
Plus with the more rounds put through it, the more accurate they become!...but you need to clean the barrel regularly! (gets dirty real fast and it DOES effect accuracy!)
One more tip...the standard Air Gun "Artillery hold" does NOT work with these beasts! - use more of a standard "rifle grip", firm and pull into the shoulder 😉(you will notice a huge difference in your groupings)
Mine shot JUST like yours when I first got it...but now, its DEADLY accurate! (Get a good scope with Parallax Adjustable Objective...you will be surprised how far these .30's can reach out)
Kia kaha and enjoy the new carnivor...they are a great gun once sorted 🥰-(I absolutely Luv mine!...now! 😂)
Thanks for all the advice and info!
You want to keep an eye on those rear sights, my experience is the elevation knob tends to come loose when shooting. At least it did on my mod25 pistol, it had the same crappy plastic sights, and they went a flying twice! Had to find a new spring for it the second time...😊
I can totally see that happening. The rear sight is a small step above garbage. The elevation knob is already pretty loose due to the barrel droop. For the price of this gun, it’s shameful it came with such low quality sights.
Hi Mate! I own a HW80 in .25 cal that delivers about 27 ft-lbs and that is also a beast. I don't want to be unkind but in my opinion .25cal is the max. to go for a springer or gas piston air rifle and the barrel droop explains you why. It's not only the pellet weight but the Ballistic coefficient sucks. Maybe you try to get .30 cal alloy pellets if possible. I can shoot well on 50 meters with my HW80 but even with the.25 cal it's not a long range air rifle. The 30 cal pellet is even more heavy and 30ft-lbs sounds a lot but is way to low for this heavy pellet. In this case you do have to stap in the PCP world mate. My advice, keep the open sights or buy a red dot and use it as a short range plinker and have fun. A.22lr delivers about 100 ft-lbs and that with a lighter bullet so i think i do not have to explain more. The most important is that we have fun shooting air rifles, and your Hatsan is shooting lead buckets 😁😆Cheers Mate!
Lead buckets! 🤣 It’s been pretty fun so far, at least when I manage to hit something.there in lies the problem, I don’t even have an idea on pellet drop because I can’t hit anything at just 35 yds. But, I’m slowing getting better at taming the beast. I don’t have any interest in a .30 cal PCP. I can only imagine the amount of air it goes through that shooting with a hand pump would likely be maddening. I’ve also got a .25 cal Hatsan Mod 95 and those guns seem to have quite a following. I rarely shoot it as it’s also a difficult gun to shoot. But with it and this one, relatively cheap, big powerful airguns are fun for plinking. I’ll likely keep it iron sights in the long term as I think it’ll be murder on scopes. Thanks for watching!
Well, they’re unique. I have same gun. Was literally 1st pellet gun I purchased in my life at the impressionable age of 62 🤣 It gets better; I’m also a diminutive 5’3” - on a good day and maybe 130 lbs.
I bought for specific purpose. Did the job great, so gotta give it kudos.
Enjoy maaan 🫵👍
Definitely unique! 😄 What purpose did you get the gun for? For the short time I’ve had it, I’ve been wondering what niche it fills, aside from being the only .30 cal break barrel I’m aware of? It’s definitely fun to shoot water filled cans and silhouettes.
Awesome! Just got the mod 25 .177 fun so far cheers!
It’s been fun for plinking water filled cans and silhouettes. I like the impacts! That’s the main reason I wanted it. I was curious and thought it’d be fun. I’m not certain what purpose an airgun like this serves? Maybe over time as I get better with it, that’ll become more evident to me.
I’ve been eyeballing this one for at least a year, excited to see how it holds up. Hatsan and I don’t have a great track record. 👍👍
I was in the same boat, I’d been looking at it off and on since ‘16. My .25 cal Hatsan Model 95 is my least favorite airgun. This .30 cal recoils and vibrates even worse. But… there was something appealing about those giant pellets and the gun was self contained and not a PCP. We’ll see how it holds up over time. 👍
@@airgunsofalaska definitely a niche gun, novelty even, still want one though. Happy you bought one… if it’s not worth buying for whatever reason you’ll let us know. Looking forward to further testing.
@@precisionrodentcontrol I’ll definitely report back with the good and bad in videos. I hope it proves reliable in the long term and I think it’ll gain a following on my channel as I have a big group of viewers that seem passionate about Hatsans. I don’t share that passion but who knows? Maybe this one will make me a fanboy? I doubt it but… I was never fond of the Daisy 880 just because of its looks and now I’m really keen on those style of Daisy guns.
Nice to review I like all the aspects that you point out. Good or bad.
Thanks! I’ve been curious about their .30 cal break barrel for the past 7 years. Initially I bought a .25 cal Hatsan back in ‘16 as I didn’t want to spend the money on the .30 cal even though I wanted it more. Now, finally, I have one!
Hopefully after lots of practice I’ll get comfortable enough to shoot it accurately. I’m interested to try the Hatsan pellets when they come in. They were half the price of the Rifle Round pellets.
Artillery hold. It will improve accuracy a lot. Also clean the barrel. Mines great and tight groups at 20 yards
That’s what I do… so far I’ve not been too impressed with the accuracy. But I’ve found Hatsans to be pretty difficult for me to shoot well. My barrel isn’t dirty.
I had same gun, no problems at all, if your rear sight needs a more positive click, go to harbor freight, buy a $5 box of rubber o rings and put one of them under the spring...it works.
@user-rn7jm2qs3o that’s really clever, I’ll have to try that out, thanks!
I got the sniper 30cal I put the Nikko sterling gold air king scope it’s cheap and awesome stays sighted in stoked with it I use the polymag predator and the diabolo hades they are the best all round slug
I had the same issue with barrel droop in one of my rifles (not a .30 haha), instead of buying adjustable mounts all I needed to fixed it was some cut-to-fit business cards placed under the scope in the rear scope mount. did the trick just right, had to remove a "layer" of card because it pushed the scope TOO far. hope this might help as a temporary option to try out your scopes, that rail is pretty awesome!
Did you notice your scope sliding backwards with the paper in there?
Shut the front door! You must have got one of the better shooting ones... I'm lucky to get mine somewhere on a 12" paper plate... with JSB's or FX pellets, I can't use Hatsan pellets because they don't fit. Will say this, mine tore up 3 different scopes that were Springer rated... one of them was supposed to be magnum rated. It shredded up a set of Dove tail rings!!! Because the set screw was not set tight enough and backed off and the scope slid down the rail... I would make sure you have a very good set of picatinny rings... Have fun!!! you know I'll be watching for sure... Big C out...😎... PS I'm going to put mine over the crony, to see if there is a big swing in the power, these guns were known for bad piston seals... that is the only thing I can think of... got that off of (Mike Ellingsworth**Mr. Steppingstone) he has some content on these beast... And yes, your arms will hurt if you shoot it a lot...LOL mega work out... with that said, Now I'm out ...😎👍👍👍👍👍👍
This is the most difficult to shoot airgun I have. I sucked at shooting it the first few times, that sad group at 20 yds is the best I’ve done. I had to edit the video or it’d have been much longer with miss after miss after miss. 🤦♂️
My Hatsan Mod 95 in .25 cal also hammered one of my scopes AND it sheared off its scope stop screw. I think after reading the comments this morning I’m going to leave this gun with iron sights.
I had no problems with my 130s..
@@RichardCooper-p7b I'm happy for you... I'm not bashing the 130S, just wish it worked better... Found out the early 135 'S have longer barrels, not sure if the early 130s's did too or not, mine is only a 10." barrel, also the early 135's were true springers... And no, I'm not giving up on it... Big C out. 😎
Another Hatsan 😂 i hope this one doesn't disappoint
As much as my other Hatsan has frustrated me over the years, it’s been reliable and shoots every time. I am curious about the longevity of the gas ram in this gun. It’ll be interesting to see how it does over a year.
@@airgunsofalaska you should have bought spring version the cold environment doesn't effect much on coil spring but anyway i hope you will enjoy shooting this like your others favorite air rifles
@@Double-xposure I didn’t realize they made a springer version of this gun, interesting 🤔. I’d rather have had a springer. Amazon must have only carried the gas ram version when it was ordered as I recall looking to see if the gun was available on Amazon and this was the only type available.
Amen: My mod 95 in 25cal. was a big disappointment there shots go everywhere
@@JeffreyAdams-rw3yp you can improve it but if the barrel has defects inside then you can't do anything if the barrel is ok then check for these point i hope it will help
1 check if all the screws are tight
2 clean the barrel
3 check front and rear sights shouldn't be loose
4 check the breach seal
5 check the main piston seal
6 check if there's any play between
breach block and forks
7 clean the every internals and relube them properly
8 change the way you hold your airgun
If you just bought your air rifle then fire few hundred shots from it let it break in then check for grouping if after doing all these your air rifle still not acurate then send it back
I’ve had 2 of these that the scope mount was offset to the right. Now matter what you do it won’t sight in. They were both inconsistent in accuracy as well. But i didn’t put 200 rnds through mine.
My 1 was off to right also I put the Nikko sterling gold air king scope it’s cheap and awesome stays sighted in stoked with it I use the polymag predator and the diabolo hades are best all round slug
@2:03 LMAO!
It’s true! The gun is not comfortable getting a sight picture with iron sights, it’s almost as bad as the synthetic stock Benjamin 397. But at least the Benjamin doesn’t ring your bell with every trigger squeeze. 😆
Just by the fact you referenced Stewie from Family Guy was just "tits". I did not expect to laugh out loud at a serious topic. @@airgunsofalaska
I have this same rifle in my living room with the BT65 pcp carnivore . I was surprised they made a .30 break barrel . It cannot have a scope on it at all. Wrecks it right off every time
I got the .35 carnivore bt65 . The break barrel is cool. I use poly mag .30 red tips and 50 grain slugs in the break barrel . Hollow points . Works big
@@ThomasJay723 our weather has been garbage for shooting the past 2 weeks so I’ve not had a chance to do anymore testing.
The last time I shot it I installed the Optima scope that came with my Hatsan model 95. It’s not a great scope so if it gets ruined I won’t care too much. It did help me to shoot it better but I find this gun to still be very challenging to shoot accurately/ consistently even at just 20 yds.
@@airgunsofalaskayeah it isn’t really accurate . It did kill a coyote . I only shot it because we were in Allegheny national forest and it wouldn’t leave and stood there for over 3 minutes 20’feet away . Polymag red tip 44.75 grain . Only animal I ever had to use any of my guns on . Fortunately . But it’s powerful , but yeah . Also I’m in NEPA it’s COLD ! You should check out the bt65 .357 pcp carnivore !
@@airgunsofalaskaI’m checking out the hatsan 95 model now
You can see the bt65 on my last short , threw a dialed in reflex in on it . I subscribed also to help the cause fellow air gunner TH-cam !!
I wish you luck with that Vortex as my 125 Sniper in 25 caliber bit the dust 😮💨. On the plus side it does have a metal breech , but now no better than a paper weight . Probably will not buy another Hatsan .
Thanks, I hear ya. 👍 I don’t have high expectations for longevity out of a gas ram gun. I’m under the impression that a Hatsan gas ram can be serviced rather than just needing to be replaced but I don’t know that for sure? We’ll all get to see how the gun holds up over time. If it goes two more days of shooting it will have outlasted my Norica Dream Hunter. Haha 😂.
I’m curious to see if I can master shooting it and show some decent proficiency with it on video. That’ll be a big accomplishment for me as I’m not great at shooting it accurately currently.
Funny how people dump on Gamo ? Also factor in that I have more than one , so I don't shoot one more than the other . I have 3 gas piston and 2 springers . No failures what so ever . The way I look at if you have Gamo's and like them and they work , end of story . If the airgun snob down the street doesn't like them , so what - they work me. If they can pay 1K or 2K for the next big thing , good for them . Just as much fun can be had for less . Its suppose to be a sport instead of social hierarchy that some look down their nose and dismiss the budget guns. Amen 😁🤣.
@@joedokes8641 I’ve never owned a Gamo but I’ve noticed over the course of me creating my channel that there is a bit of a stigma towards “budget” guns. Seems like lots of big channels like to focus on higher end, expensive, PCP’s and break barrel guns. That’s all well and good but I don’t think it reflects the heart of the market. I think most guys shoot lower priced guns and are very happy with them.
I have noticed that also . I have higher end PCP' s but always find myself grabbing a budget friendly multi-pump or break barrel , they seem to challenge me more . I enjoy your channel because you don't have sponsors who send you anything your heart desires , a big PLUS . Others try to sell the next big thing and I find I'm watching them less and less , especially when they talk shit about something I may own . BIG turn-off. I get it , everyone has their opinions , but don't try to change mine .
@@joedokes8641 I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s growing weary of being marketed the next big thing.
I’m way more familiar with the powersports world of dirt bikes, snowmobiles, etc. Every year it’s the NEW thing we all need, our previous years machines sucked, and we’ll literally get left behind on the trail. I’ve been sucked into the hype several times, even when I knew better but didn’t realize it.
Now here I am currently, fixing up a 34 year old snowmobile, the kind I grew up on, very content with it. Sure, it doesn’t have the performance of a new one but performance isn’t everything. I’ve discovered that through experience with airguns over the years and I shoot the “budget” guns way more often than my expensive models.
I have the 135 in 30 cal.
Try the H&N, or the Polymags. I get consistent 5 shot, 1/2 inch groups, at 20 yards, with mine.
It's a groundhog hammer!😂
Thanks for the tip!
hello . try different brands pellets also , jsb .pellets from argentine turkey china , they can shoot accurate ,but depends of hold and pellet . more then any springer, there are moulds for casting . but then you have to invest . the barrel droop yoo can correct ,with a file, black marker and a water bubble to check the progress , look the white spots where the barrel hit , remove a little black it ,and so on ,till its ok . remove the o ring first and check
He should start with alloy pellets or just keep it as a short range plinker with the open sights or a red dot mounted. The BC from this .30 cal sucks and 30ft-lbs sounds a lot but is way to low for this pellet weight. On 50 meters you probably even run out of clicks with a lot of scopes....This Hatsan would be a long range killer in .22 cal if it's accurate. In my opinion .25 cal is the max to go for a springer or gas ram air rifle otherwise you have to step in the PCP world 🤥Cheers!
@@rapalaron6348 i got one. its doing almost 50 joules .hatsans are most always more powerfull then advertised .alloy pellets .name a brand ?never seen them. .the bc off every pellet is not good as a bt slug .but the heavy .30 will not slow down as fast then a smaller caliber .because air resistance is 4 times more if the speed doubles
@@peteralexben Hi, your comment make no sense to me. A faster pellet reach the target earlier even when the air resitance should double 4 times as you claime . The droop exlpains everything mate. Just physics. The pellet speed out of the barrel is already way slower from this rifle shooting a .30 compaired shooting a .22 from the same rifle. Of coarse the air restisance is bigger with higher speed but the surface of a smaler pellet is way smaler. I agree with you about the air resistance shooting the same cal. pellet with differense speeds. I already thought it would be difficult to find a .30 alloy pellets. In 177, .22, .25 no problem but the accuracy is often bad. Cheers!
@@rapalaron6348 if you got the same muzzel energy but in a lighter bullet , the heavy bullet will get at certain distant first . ,
ask long range shooters or bp guns . with the big calibers . a 50 140 bp is in the 300 win class but it has more energy at 1500 meter because air resistance , same with airguns 1f you have the same gun ,but different caliber the bigger ones hold the power longer , thats a fact
@peteralexben I have some Hatsan brand pellets coming that were 1/2 the price of the Rifle Round brand. I saw Amazon has JSB pellets available but I want to wait a while and practice a lot more before I buy them. At this point I’m so inconsistent with the gun it’s all me and higher quality pellets aren’t likely to show much improvement. The Air Boss pellets I have are made in Argentina I believe.
The method you describe above it similar to a video I watched of an English gunsmith handfitting the action of some larger caliber double barreled rifle. Is it poor manufacturing tolerances or techniques that create the barrel droop issue. I think I’m halfway up on my elevation at 20 yds.
I saw another hatsan (mod 25?) with the same 46 inch length and pistol grip. I passed on it for the same reasons, but mostly because the quatro trigger that really belongs on monte carlo stocks. They do make a different quatro for pistol grips mind you, check out their 44-10 model.
The trigger and grip relationship isn’t something I’d have thought about until I I shot this gun. I’ll have to alter the way I normally pull the trigger to get better accuracy out of this gun. It’s a big, long heavy airgun. I think I read it weighs around 9.5lbs.
From you having hands on this air rifle what would you recommend hunting with it
Oh heck no you didn't!😆Did you get a craving for power? I know I do a lot of times, I tell myself there's no point cus I have several .22lrs but powerful air guns are kinda fascinating.
l am the same way my most powerful air guns l own are the older sheridan c .20 cal. from 1970s to 1981 they are strong guns/ healthy guns but if l want more power and sheridan states this in there sheridan hand book that if you want more power from your sheridan then go with a .22 long rifle .
@@scotthanson4200 I'm surprised they were honest enough to recommend anything but their own products, everything is such marketing propaganda these days.
Ha ha! It’s been something I’ve been curious about since ‘16 but I couldn’t bring myself around to buying one. But as a Christmas present from family…😄, now I finally have it. So far, every first shot I make with this gun at the beginning of a shooting session I’m like “Ugh! This thing is not pleasant to shoot”. But then I get used to it and start thinking it’s not that bad. When I actually hit something I really start digging it. Right now it’s just a novelty, I’m not sure what it’s good for or why it even exists but… that’s funny in its own right.😄 Smacking silhouettes and hearing the “Ting!” and watching them fly is really satisfying.
@@scotthanson4200 Wow! I wonder how much harder the Sheridan would be to pump after mods like that?
@@airgunsofalaska I'm amazed you could hit anything with it😄Seems like it's just accurate enough to be a ton of fun, how hard it smacks is definitely satisfying. I should get a .25 one of these days, nothing wrong with having a few 'just cus' guns.
.30 cal bigger pellet l am sure this gun needs some breaking in even if its a gas ram system all my springers are coiled spring they needed break in period. does hatsan have a warranty on there gas ram piston assembly if leaks.
As I get closer to warmer weather I’ll be able to shoot this a lot more. I’m curious to see its long term reliability.
Niceeeee🇳🇱😉👍
It’s quite powerful and entertaining to shoot silhouettes and water filled cans with. 😄
@@airgunsofalaska yes indeed enjoy 😉👍
Are you able to do pistol and carbine testing videos?
I can and have. I’ve got quite a few airgun pistol videos I’ve done and also some carbine. As far as buying specific Hatsans in that realm, there are other airguns higher on my list that I eventually want to guy and add to my collection.
Recoil mounts on it ?
Yeah, this Hatsan is a scope killer.
Right now it just has regular rings on the OEM picatinny rail.
Ok seems like it would be a great pellet gun. Except its not-----poor quality construction equals junk. Why not just make decent quality. Is this what the consumer can expect now in everything? Junk unless you buy the company and insist on good quality?
@@neirdoandrew5344 I was shooting it again last night (after months of it collecting dust) and I can’t get a scope to adjust down far enough to compensate for the barrel droop. I’ve tried several different scopes in my collection. I’m now going to try a different rear iron sight to see if I can hit anything.
@@airgunsofalaska I think it would be a great pellet gun if you can get it to work consistently. A red dot might help. I don't know.
@@neirdoandrew5344 I don’t want to spend any money on it. I was shooting it again tonight and I’m terrible with it.
Another hatsan?🤦♂️😂
But my first one is such a sweetheart to shoot. So smooth and refined. 🤣😂😆
I do like my hatsan jet2
I need to shoot out one of my neighbors super bright led light that lights up as bright as daylight all dam night wakes me up every 5 minutes that a cat passes by a bird flies by a flie flies by even a dam leaf falling activates the dam thing. But its protected by a metal lip over the top. Talked to the neighbor about inasked it he could aim the light lower so it lights up the ground and not my windows and the ahole simply said i should buy black curtains or cover my windows with cardboard or newspapers. So will this air rifle shoot through thin metal like sheet metal as thick as car door?
@@luiscasillas9853 I don’t know if it’d shoot though a car door? I’m kinda curious to test it out on some old abandoned car now! 😀
@@airgunsofalaska definitely do it bro but not with lead pellets or brass. Instead use copper pellets or the pellets that have a copper bb on the tip those are for better penetration and they still retain energy far more than brass pellets.
@@luiscasillas9853 I don’t believe they sell that type of pellet it .30 cal.