Evongrave has better ring to it. Rogal dorn doesnt roll off the tongue like leeman russ. Will we ever get another heresy conversions video mr. Circle? I watch the old one still for inpiration.
you mentioned the Macharius in this video, so what about naming this tank after a warmaster as well? say...the guy who commanded the sabbat worlds crusade. The "Slaydo Heavy Battle Tank" perhaps?
@@TheOuterCircle The Kagori "Assault" Tank. Named after Marshall Kagori from the siege of vraks. Ebongrave has a ring to it for sure, but the syllable count just feels too much for a "assault" tank. It feels more at home on a baneblade equivalent tank. Kagori is short, sweet and direct. Just as an assault tanks intended purpose is.
Ebongrave is just better sounding. So the last picture of the video shows a tank in the back that looks to have no sponsons and headlight instead of the nipple guns. Could be wrong but I can't see the broadside of a barn when I'm 10 feet away.
@@tomgeytenbeek2207 He is usually harmless but I think he often forgets his voice carries weight in the community and so has a responsibility to be critical.
@@sagacity1071 I dont think we shoudl allocate responsibility to him, at least not more than any other youtuber. People themself should carry responsibility.
I personally prefer the old Forgeworld designs - Macharius especially, but also Malcador and forgeworld versions of Russ. There is something awfully wrong with proportions of this one, I can't quite put my finger on it. Same issue I have wityh Taurox and Goliath - something off, that makes them feel very... Toy-like for some reason. Dorn tank... it is not terrible, but plenty of things I feel are off about it. And it overdoes it with dakka - not quite to the stupid level of Primaris vehicles... but it is getting there.
Ways to improve the tank with green stuff: 1. Cover up all the various holes and tank traps, smoothing them out to an edge to actually maintain the cast armor look. 2. Remove the nipple guns, cover up the holes with said greenstuff and perhaps place one of them onto the hull where the driver position is. 3. Either outright remove the hull mounted cannon, make a cast position around it, causing to jut out forward a bit more but ensuring it has better armor protection. 4. Place strips of green stuff on the various boltings. Either commit to the casting or don't. And viola, you have a much better tank design.
The giant IW part of me wanted to hear a heavy, in depth response to the Rogal Dorn Battle Tank; and Macca, you have provided it!! Thank you for all your amazing work. Iron Within!
I like to imagine they just threw a bunch of STCs together, and lacked the knowledge to understand what exactly they were doing. Just some important admech person who only spends time in the office without ever seeing the battlefield going "I want to use these nipple gun STCs somewhere AND I DON'T CARE WHERE! Put it on the guardsmen's tank or something, those guys will die anyway"
It was moved to the back of the turret and commanders hatch so that you could get more elevation on the .50 for anti-air duty in a pinch. Other than AA it was swung around backwards and manned by the TC if needed.
Exactly what I was gonna say! The MGs on poles were for air defense, not exactly useful against supersonic jets with guided munitions so they don't do that anymore. Though I can't imagine an air defense MG would be all that useful in 40k where aircraft are built like tanks! Though I suppose there are little Tyranid gribblies that need to be shot at so maybe?
So what you're saying is... pick up the Macharius Tank kits now before they discontinue them, because its obvious they want the Rogal Dorn Tank to fill the same niche the Macharius tank does.
Yeah, this has a lot of things in common with Valkyria Chronicles. I like the VC series, but the design aesthetic is so far removed from 40k that it's not even funny. "Grimdark" and "Anime" are not cross-compatible styles.
Ebongrave is a badass name, you can practically see it in gunmetal grey. But between HH, Siege and his Primarch's novella GW have discovered their boner for Dorn recently.
@Zoomer Stasi dude, we’re in a hobby, and Valrak is literally nothing but a cheerful kid at heart chatting about his experience… why are you so miserable and venomous about it? Honestly, get some fucking air, mate… no one is making you angry but yourself, and nobody else is participating in your imagined rivalry or unreasonable hatred against this bloke. We are here to chat and have fun. If you are only going to thrash on the floor and scream, we’re putting you back in the car and going home.
I think we can all agree that it's pretty amazing Factory 183 is still making tanks for the Imperial Guard in the 41st millennium. Almost as amazing that there are still discernable corners left on this tank after all the design and manufacturing processes.
If they wanted to use a space marine name for the tank, they should have used a spaxe marine hero who fought alongside the guard. For example, "The Grimaldus" in honour of the Reclusiarch who defended hive Hellsreach. Or heck, name it after heroic commisars, Yarick, Cain, Gaunt.
I shared this model on my local hobby shop's FB and the 40+ year olds who only build tanks just about had a fucking aneurysm over the amount of dakka and out of place components that don't mechanically function given their location. I'm not a big tank guy, so I don't really have an opinion on it except the guns are way too much.
Looking at just the front of the tank, there would have to be 3 crew jammed into that tiny front-left portion of the hull somehow. One demolisher gunner, one demolisher loader, and one stubber gunner. On the other side you need 2 crew as well, the driver and another stubber gunner. That is 5 crew squashed into the front of the hull, unless those stubbers are only to be used when the tank is stationary and not using the hull gun. I have driven an IFV before, and there is not exactly a lot of room at the front for just two crew, let alone 5.
I’m so close to liking it, but there’s a handful of negatives- 1) stupidly over-gunned, the Primaris tank syndrome, and 2) I think it’ll look weird next to the other guard tanks. It’s a shame because I like the exposed treads and the wealth of extra bits for customising.
maybe the Leman Russ needs the new sentinel kit treatment. I dislike the sponson guns on this model but they might look nice on the taurox. Also the front stubbers/meltas look bad. The sponson autocannons of the taurox might look better in this vehicle
Thinking about it some more GDubbs could have followed Sweden's design philosophy if they wanted to go down that route. Created a tank designed to ambush enemy armour and be difficult to hit, but being very susceptible to fast moving forces like Dark Eldar, Eldar and flyers as well as infantry. But no, they went full retard and went with the R*ddit perception of the Guard... God, I hate nu-GW! Edited.
5:33 Early Tiger II turret (aka. "Porsche Turret" though it was made by Krupp) had a similar cylinder shape protrusion for the commander's cupola. There are other real life examples too, not to mention Imperial examples like the Baneblade turret, Macharius, and probably some more. Advantages of a smaller turret is of course that it's smaller, so it's a smaller target and weighs less. But as you mentioned there's less room inside. Everything is a tradeoff when it comes to tanks. Overall I'd rather see it look more like the 3rd party Mortian tank, which looks a bit like a baby Macharius. It's not bad though, but some things are very typical of 2020's GW, like the extra nipple guns. Looks dumb, good thing they're optional.
@@SubliminalEncryption The 50 first Tiger II's had those turrets, yes. They were originally intended for another tank designed by Porsche that was never made. It had drawbacks, but IMHO it was a very good looking turret design. I still don't think the cylinder shaped protrusion for the commander's cupola is out of place on the Dorn, and as mentioned it's not even unprecedented for Imperial tanks.
Agreed completely with your assessment of this tank. Its like a patton or a super sherman with bits added on. I would have like to have seen a 40k version of a Boarhound. (Its a 30 tonne armoured car)
My thoughts exactly. Compared to the Leman Russ, Chimera, Baneblade and even the Macharius and Malcador the Rogal sticks out way too much because of how rounded it is. It just doesn’t fit with the visual aesthetic of the guards tanks or even other imperium tanks like the Rhino or Land Raider.
I actually really like it, gives me Sherman/ Matilda tank vibes. I definitely think the new cadians have a WW2 US marine look as well, so I think it works
The rear mounted Ma Deuce is for AA duties , the commander can swing it up and engage a aircraft as it comes in from the rear and not have to get out from his coupler , doctrines and tank design means the top and rear of a tank is not as thick compared to the front and a ground attack plane come in high and from the rear to take advantage of that weakness. Come main campaign in Europe after D-Day the luftwaffe was a minor threat due to air superiority, so those 50’s were used as extra ground support and then you get the image of guys hanging off the 50 while stood in the deck. Don’t forget tanks had coaxial machine guns and hill mounted machine guns for anti infantry use, MA Deuce is over kill when used in a anti infantry role and is outdated for use in AA role
I like the classic Imperial Guard tanks very much, but I do really like this new one as well. In my opinion it's keeping enough with the classic look while updating it a bit with more rounded shapes. I'm very "conservative" in my 40K taste and a lot of the recent stuff has been a miss for me, but for me this is one of the best kits GW has done in years. Overall the new guard sculpts have been very great I think, seems like GW knows that it’s a bit of a "grognard" faction and they are keeping close enough to the classic look. For me the rounding isn't too much so far, hopefully they keep it that way. I'm a real tank nut, I served as a tank commander in the army and so I would prefer that the 40K and 30K tanks would be a bit more realistic, especially on their armanent setup, but aesthetically I really love what they have done with mixing WW1 and WW2 designs with futuristic elements, it’s a very unique and cool look for me. Even though pretty much all of the designs are mostly unpractical or totally unrealistic, they have enough nods to real historical tank design to pull the look off even for a tank nut like me. Anyway, I have pretty much totally given up on 40k, but these new Imperial Guard sculpts, especially this tank, makes me want to start a guard army. I doubt I'll really do that, but that's how much I like it.
Have to disagree on the last part. This is not the fault of computer design, it’s the artist not the medium. Look at Mortian and their tanks or the many proxy stl tanks, they aren’t as overdesigned as GW’s Primaris vehicles or this thing.
Since Yarrick has supposedly been removed from the next codex (he's almost certainly dead due to the current timeline jump), wouldn't it be more fitting to name this new tank after him?
@@calebbarnhouse496 The tale of his body hitting the floor may well be in the codex. Alternatively, it wouldn't be the first time someone's kinda-sorta-maybe named a tank after a living person. The Churchill springs to mind.
Didn't knew what the slits on the side are for, that was very interesting. I noticed they are on the chimera as well but my idea was always that they were some sort of exhaust, it would make sense since they have the same WWl brit twin engine design going on, and them being high up would prevent mud or water entering the engine. Also there is no actual exhaust part in the chimera kit so it would kinda makes sense. They could have the same function on this one. Or since we're in 40k they are simply holes for the crew to shoot out, wouldn't surprise me at all.
It seems they got the nipple guns from the M2 tanks that had fixed forward guns. As well the turret protrusions seem inspired by the m25 or the t95 Coppolas just more extreme
The nipple guns remind me of stuff like the early M3 Medium tanks the US built that had two fixed .30 cal machineguns in the hull - though they didn't last long in service because of the amount of feedback they got that they were completely useless. There's also crazy stuff like the IS-7 with the rear facing machine guns on either side of the turret, because somebody slipped an early batch of cocaine into Soviet Russia apparently... point is, there have been real world tanks designed with too much dakka. On a different note, I kind of appreciate the hinged plate on the big hull mounted gun - it's not actually a good idea, but it seems to me that someone had the thought of "how do we do maintenance on this gun without having to pull the entire turret" - I like the thought process, but poor execution.
I'd mod and adjust some stuff if I had one. Either cut down the nip guns at the mount and re-glue to shorten them, or grab some spare bits and side mount to the upper hull like some old Russian tanks. And put the tow koos in their place instead. Make a gun shield for that chonky hullmount gat/demo cannon. Glue the smoke launchers to the turret instead. And fill in that mouth seam between the upper and lower frontal armour plates. Just little things like that would make it a much more plausible design. Otherwise I rather like it. Plus it's an amazing new Ork kit 😎
I like the idea of it, being something that will be far more common than a BaneBlade or Vanquisher (which I personally love the look of) and it does fit a role needed for the Guard and will make a nice addition to a three Russ squadron. The main gun with a twin las-cannon is a good choice as it at least will give space for the power banks.
Personally, I hate the exposed machine gunner. It honestly kills the look for me, especially in context of when this tank is being deployed. Thankfully, the final picture shows an option to add in skirts over the lower wheels and the option to remove the nipple guns. (Seriously, what were they thinking with those things? How are the gunners all gonna fit over there?)
@@loltwest9423 Read the first thing you said. Rewatch the video. Realise Maca said he liked the machine gun guy because in the past it was a thing. Than read the second thing you said. Realise I agree with you and am taking the piss out of Maca.
MGs mounted externally were added primarily for Anti Aircraft defence, they were rarely operated from outside the vehicle against infantry in engagement range, they were sometimes used to fire on light vehicles from extreme ranges though where return fire was unlikely.
I think with the turret, they took inspiration form Old Patton and Pershing tank turrets. Then they exaggerated the cupolas. Theres only 2 things I dont like about the tank and that's how many guns it has, and the fact that it has nipple guns. get rid of the nipple guns! I love how industrial it looks. I was really worried after the new sentinal design that it was going to look like the Volton vehicles (very dull and too sleek).
This is a good breakdown. The Macharius or Malcador in plastic would have been better, and a more reserved version of this would have been good. I'm glad that they managed to make it look like a guard vehicle instead of something wacky
Why didn't they just release the macharius in plastic... they would have saved design cycles. The just would have had to scan the resin master and reuse interior 3d elements, if required to 40k things. Then they could have sold it into two systems and doubled their profit? Or they should have done a bmp-t terminator
this thing looks like it was replaced by the leman russ instead of the other way around. the first new IA tank in 10k years and it looks even more like a ww2 tank than the last one
Ironically the design ideas are so assbackwards that it really shares more with 20s and 30s era tanks. Even by WWII tank designers had moved beyond many of the design ideas on this thing.
@@monkeyinapanzer yes it seems like a 40k matilda tank. some more scifi elements would be nice. the floaty atraeous tank or what it was called was more of a step in the right direction
@Zoomer Stasi it would be perfect to display PDF troops who have to make due with their shitty locally produced tanks until the imperial army with their mighty Leman Russ tanks can save the day in the last second
It looks more modern than the russ. The russ looks like it crawled out straight the Indiana Jones movie as a mk 4 with the FT turret. This at least incorporates some design elements from post WW1 tanks.
As someone really into tanks I despise this thing. It looks like every terrible design idea that failed in reality got shoved onto one vehicle. The ridiculous amount of MGs from interwar American tanks: Check Multi barrel stupidity: Check WWI style suspension that would be extremely outdated: Check Protrusions on the turret that would probably be weak spots like the Tiger II: Check Needing double digit crew count to actually operate the vehicle: Check Weapons with near zero travel: Check View ports in areas with zero practical placement: Check A almost certainly useless howitzer built into the hull taking up valuable space like the Char B1 and Churchill I: Check Using like 5 different munitions: Check No apparent crew hatches for the driver and the half a dozen guys operating all the sponson and hull guns: Check Shot traps at every possible angle: Check Granted Warhammer tanks are at best stupid designs like the Malcador or the Russ (somehow a gun a man can physically crawl in is a 122mm), but they at least look believable if you squint your eyes. This thing looks like the kind of tank that would be a massive failure in universe like the Soviet t-35 in our own history. A massive overhyped “super weapon” that barely functioned.
I like tanks, when it comes to fictional universe, I stop caring about if it makes sense as long as it looks cool. The new tank screams cool to my tank nerd.
Yeah no, listen i see it i get how this thing is ridiculous but less believable than the malcador? I love that thing but your kidding me? This is far more functional and most of the weapon options in here can be covered up, i personally dont think its as bad as people say but those nipple stubbers do kill the look of it
You did? It doesn't have a small main gun, and only 3 mud-vents. The Matilda had fenders and sponson space over the treads, it did not have WW1 style Sponson Turrets. The Matilda didn't have a gun in the front of the tank, you are thinking of a Char 1 in that detail.
11:09 I would like to point out shot traps only apply to certain types of rounds, like those used in ww2, as a result they are not considered to be a thing in modern tank design as the type of shells that can bounce in shot traps are hopelessly obsolete.
It does make a good datasheet to kitbash a proper tank for. I would have preferred if they used an upscaled malcador hull as the base template or a down sized Crassius hull. The bane blade turret or the marcharius turret would fit nicely. It is an entirely new hull with no listed STC or Forge world- which is tech heresy in 40k.
Excellent video, subscribed. Strange that people designing a wargame have so little idea of how military equipment actually works. And no, "but it's fantasy!!!" isn't an excuse.
It's a redesigned Russ. I like it. With the exception of the front facing stubbers. They are redundant. PS: stop giving vehicles 10 different guns. It's funny for the orks but otherwise it just slows the game...
4:30 *_Synchronicity: When Macca Started talking about the *'Outside-Hull Gunner,'_*_ the first image that came to mind was 'BAND OF BROTHERS' Season I - Episode V: where the Sherman Tank Squadrons came to the rescue of the Embattled Infantry desperately Holding their position in the Treeline after being ambushed by Gerry The German: and that wonderful portrait of the 2 gunners in Profile letting off .50 Cal. Rounds & giving Gerry a __*_"Right Good Thrashing"_* "You Beautiful Babies!" (?) one Grunt was heard to say.* (* Who Penned / OK'd that line?) In any case, _Good Minds Think Alike_ I Suppose;O)=*~
I do suspect it's as you say design by committee or someone over their shoulder saying "add more cool stuff", because any designer worth their salt understands that a good design should never be overcrowded and I see this so much lately, just stuff slapped eeeeeeverywhere. I really wish they would just tone down the insane amount of clutter, it would actually improve the look overall.
The main thing I hate is the 2 machine guns at the front of the hull, the tracks would get in the way of turning the guns left or right due to the tracks being in the way. There's no real reason to have 2 either, there's a reason real tanks only have 1 machine gun at the front
Um, a fair amount of tanks have 2 machineguns in front. They were useually only fired 1 at a time, the idea was to allow more sustained firing, without haveing to change barrels (ie when 1 barrel is cooling down, you can fire the 2nd). There were also minor aditonal pluses such as redundancy if there was a jam/stoppage, and delayed reloading {especially before disintegrating belts were standard}
its funny when people complained about the guy on the stubber but that was one of the more realistic aspects of the design. it looks OK to me. the sponsons look too small and too far forward so IF i even get one (which is not likely) Id not be using them. To me it looks somewhat similar to an m26 pershing as far as the single barrel turret is concerned
Minor point of issue with adding in real world manufacturing qualms with 40k vehicles; These tanks would be made by mechanicum forgeworlds and/or under the supervision of the mechanicum. In regards to metal hardening, and difficulties in manufacturing, I think it's easy to just say "no no its easy to manufacture things to that shape and have a softer inside with tough outside." The point of the gunner is definitely valid, and I'd simply say that it may not make sense in the real world, but I can see an Imperial Guard marshal being asked for feedback and suggesting they put it on the back so that an infantry squad could hop on the back in case the guy originally on it died. Guardsman life is merely a statistic resource after all. You could counter with the point that protecting the gunner would be better, and at that point I'd simply concede and say that if it takes you out of the design and breaks your suspension of disbelief, then sure. But I'm willing to drop my standards a bit for rule of cool. I'd also validate the design by suggesting it makes the tank look a little bit more like a stationary gun emplacement, as if the turret is like a barricade. Whilst I'm typing this mini issue, I must say I despise the stupid gatling gun on the front. It instantly adds a bunch of barrels that really clutters the design. The mini demoliser on it looks much better. Not to mention the gun wouldn't be able to hit anything that wasn't another tank or building, and even then it doesn't look like it'd do much damage when compared to blast weapons which can also hit infantry easier.
That was my first reaction and the twin stingers in the front plate always make me laugh but it doesn't give me the same reaction that the Primaris did and like them, are growing on me. I just hope this thing isn't going to overshadow the Leman Russ and is used in numbers it should be in 1 for every 3-5 Leman Russ.
Looks like an airfix model somebody converted. In general the new Cadians are a bit too modern military for my liking. Something about the knee pads in particular. And, of course, everything is new gigantic. GW keep 'fixing' things that don't need fixing, or rather narcissitic designers and artists keep wanting to make 'their' models rather than update the proportions and details of well-loved and tested designs. (Why anyone thought to redesign anything Juan Diaz made, for example, is beyond me.) Some of the designs could survive a change but others don't. The new helmets look stupid and are clearly a retro-inspire from the pre-3rd edition days before the Cadians really got solidified in their design. The new sentinel looks stupid and like something from War Machines.
i like it, but not so much i want ten of them. way better than the leman russ its a nice middle between the leman russ and the baneblade chassis. if the price is right ill take 3. and the dude on the back of the turret is straight FURY vibes.. stubber is like a 50 cal anyways so why not.
Too many fucking machine guns in the front hull and somehow the sides are less armoured with the exposed wheels than the “light” tank leman russ it’s replacing
You don’t get the tc to man the gun on the back of the turret. You make a deal with your attached infantry element. You get a free ride, and we get a machine gunner to shoot at aircraft and infantry.
The stubber placement on the turret makes no sense. The purpose of moving the 50 cal. back on US WW2 tanks was to allow it's use for AA duty, the gunner could crouch behind the turret and get more elevation. In this case (setting aside the dubious effectiveness 50 cal. against void capable aircraft because it's 40k) the stubber is too far forward on the turret to allow anything more than a 30 degrees angle. These machine guns are also meant to be crewed by accompanying infantry or someone from the turret crew, but we already see two heads popping through hatches so who is manning the guns ? Do they have a dedicated crew-member for staying outside the tank and manning this machine-gun ?
well they could be great against flying rocket orks or winged tyranids, an extra support gun is just good, the two guys popping the hatches could be the tankcommander and/or loader(s) of the gun(s) model it however you want it, you can change quite a lot on this tank from what ive seen, you can change the hull guns for headlights, you can add armour over the wheels, add or leave toparmour for over the tracks its 40k and the imperial guard is plenty, should not be hard to find a infantrysoldier to man the 50cal (i know i would instead of being picked off instantly firing my lasgun) being protected somewhat behind a steel turret. ill just imagine FURY when they go against the anti-tank guns to save the pinned down platoon.😊 th-cam.com/video/2sfPo6QDgzk/w-d-xo.html
Looking at the tank, if every gun on it fired at the same time not only would you need 8 crew - assuming each gun needed someone to fire it plus loaders for the heavy guns - but I would imagine all that recoil would make decent accuraccy almost impossible.
I know this is an older video so a response is unlikely but I thought this might be an interesting question. Is there a valid lore reason on why the Baneblade modern mbt style of chassis isn't just scaled down to the size of the Russ or Dorn? We do know that the mechanicus can scale up and down tech that is already established so why not use the blade chassis? I imagine that the Russ is a cheap chassis to manufacture but wouldn't the Blade chassis be a "better" design to tweak and/or adapt for standard Guard formations?
I mostly dislike these tanks that have too many weapon profiles i have to roll for. I prefer it be kept to around 3 for most units. more is fine if its titanic.
This tank rubs me the wrong way. I am not a qualified tanker, I just look at it and it is off - so close yet so far. The nipple-guns, the idiotic sidesponsons, the windows to the left and right, the moronic obsession with the center mount, the downward pointing exhausts... This could have been great, if after the design by comittee step somebody would have went over it to remove the chaff. I just really miss the old DKoK and Elysian FW kits. Those Leman Russ upgrades, Macharius variants, elysian tracked vehicles...
cant wait untill they releas the roboute guilliman supper heavy tank, and corax stealth tank and jagathai khan fast assault tank🤣🤣 geeeh stupid name Rogal Dorn tank
Could you cover the Corswain model? Really a big fan of the character and I know you like him, I thought it's a decent job that's almost understated and almost gets the fur cloak right
Crazy that the Royal Navy invented tanks. The royal landship commitee designed the ones used on the western front, then sent Royal Navy officers and engineers to the army to help develop further models, seeming as we were already manning the fleets and the army had loads of man power spare Whatever designs came after from other countries or the same to improve (its easy to improve once you are given the basic master schematic) ..it took British engineers to bring them into existence when no others had thought to do so. clearly the operational(not just nonworking concept) original wouldnt stand up to the greatest tanks of today or a nuclear bomb .....but you cant really compare the two as it would be similar to comparing a stick to a pully to pull someone out of water....one was the original, the other had far loger to be developed at a time of peace
Shot-traps are meaningless in modern warfare. Modern tank guns using APFSDS ammunition can reach significantly higher velocities. the 44 caliber 120mm gun used by the M1 Abrams can shoot projectiles at ~1600m/s. Later models of the Leopard 2 using the longer 55 caliber 120mm gun can reach 1750m/s. At such velocities, if the fired shot connects against the enemy tank’s armour, one of three things will happen: 1: The penetrator will shatter; 2: The penetrator will embed itself inside the enemy armour but will lack the penetration to completely traverse it; 3: The penetrator will completely go through the enemy armour and proceed to do many terrible things to the crew and equipment sheltered inside the tank. It's another reason why you don't see as many slopes in modern MBT's.
With the many many tankettes and variations of ww2 and cold war tanks with 1 turrets, they can't have any imagination to make new tanks (fast light tanks anyone?). Heck, more ww1 inspiration mixed with ww2 would be good (how I plan to literally make my tanks, mixing a ww1 replica with warhammer third party turret).
(and the for the machine gun on the back, on the sherman, I believe it was anti-air weapon, which ended up being a regular machine gun most of the time).
It looks like a cartoon version of a Vietnam era tank The track style and the sponsons just dont mesh for me It doesn't look like a product of STC technology Also the Leman Russ tank was named before primatchs, back when he was just a badass Imperial commander
It's an awful design, sharing similar problems to the Executioner, i.e: too many guns in too little space. How I wish GW patterned it after the work FW had done, or even better had made something akin to an early/ prototype version of the Abrams to update it's aesthetic. The fact it hasn't been shown with dozer blades or other tank accessories has me worried even further about its aesthetics and functionality (or lack of, depending on how you see it). The 4Chan edits, turning it into Stugr to make the design work. Something GW clearly never thought of. Edited.
Rogal Dorn, or Lord Commander Ebongrave Battle Tank?
Evongrave has better ring to it. Rogal dorn doesnt roll off the tongue like leeman russ. Will we ever get another heresy conversions video mr. Circle? I watch the old one still for inpiration.
you mentioned the Macharius in this video, so what about naming this tank after a warmaster as well? say...the guy who commanded the sabbat worlds crusade.
The "Slaydo Heavy Battle Tank" perhaps?
@@mr.alpharius6409 I mentioned something like that during the live chat in the video premiere!
@@TheOuterCircle The Kagori "Assault" Tank.
Named after Marshall Kagori from the siege of vraks.
Ebongrave has a ring to it for sure, but the syllable count just feels too much for a "assault" tank. It feels more at home on a baneblade equivalent tank.
Kagori is short, sweet and direct. Just as an assault tanks intended purpose is.
Ebongrave is just better sounding. So the last picture of the video shows a tank in the back that looks to have no sponsons and headlight instead of the nipple guns. Could be wrong but I can't see the broadside of a barn when I'm 10 feet away.
Valrak almost gave birth just becuase of the name. Glad to see a proper level headed reaction.
I don’t mind the guy but I almost gave myself a hernia reading that rather creative description
@@tomgeytenbeek2207 He is usually harmless but I think he often forgets his voice carries weight in the community and so has a responsibility to be critical.
The guys a northern wanker, all mouth and no trousers.
@@sagacity1071 I dont think we shoudl allocate responsibility to him, at least not more than any other youtuber. People themself should carry responsibility.
Valrak likes birthing more children. Leave him alone with his attempts to do what cannot be done with the hardware provided.
"Lord-General, when are we getting those Macharius tanks?"
"We have Macharius tanks at home."
Macharius tanks at home: _Dorn tanks_
Could have had a plastic Macharius instead.
Perfect blend of classic guard aesthetic while still managing to look viable.
This is kinda what I was thinking maybe they didn’t want to take more IP from FW even though i already have 1 from years ago
I was really hoping we'd get a plastic macharius
Could have made some new variants too.
I personally prefer the old Forgeworld designs - Macharius especially, but also Malcador and forgeworld versions of Russ.
There is something awfully wrong with proportions of this one, I can't quite put my finger on it. Same issue I have wityh Taurox and Goliath - something off, that makes them feel very... Toy-like for some reason.
Dorn tank... it is not terrible, but plenty of things I feel are off about it. And it overdoes it with dakka - not quite to the stupid level of Primaris vehicles... but it is getting there.
Ways to improve the tank with green stuff:
1. Cover up all the various holes and tank traps, smoothing them out to an edge to actually maintain the cast armor look.
2. Remove the nipple guns, cover up the holes with said greenstuff and perhaps place one of them onto the hull where the driver position is.
3. Either outright remove the hull mounted cannon, make a cast position around it, causing to jut out forward a bit more but ensuring it has better armor protection.
4. Place strips of green stuff on the various boltings. Either commit to the casting or don't.
And viola, you have a much better tank design.
The giant IW part of me wanted to hear a heavy, in depth response to the Rogal Dorn Battle Tank; and Macca, you have provided it!! Thank you for all your amazing work. Iron Within!
I like to imagine they just threw a bunch of STCs together, and lacked the knowledge to understand what exactly they were doing. Just some important admech person who only spends time in the office without ever seeing the battlefield going "I want to use these nipple gun STCs somewhere AND I DON'T CARE WHERE! Put it on the guardsmen's tank or something, those guys will die anyway"
It was moved to the back of the turret and commanders hatch so that you could get more elevation on the .50 for anti-air duty in a pinch. Other than AA it was swung around backwards and manned by the TC if needed.
Exactly what I was gonna say! The MGs on poles were for air defense, not exactly useful against supersonic jets with guided munitions so they don't do that anymore. Though I can't imagine an air defense MG would be all that useful in 40k where aircraft are built like tanks! Though I suppose there are little Tyranid gribblies that need to be shot at so maybe?
Rogal Dorn should have had like an artillery piece or flak gun named after him
So what you're saying is... pick up the Macharius Tank kits now before they discontinue them, because its obvious they want the Rogal Dorn Tank to fill the same niche the Macharius tank does.
Recasters will always have all the old back catalog FW stuff, there's no rush.
My first thought was advance wars tank units, the second thought was valkyre chronicles version of a tank.
If I remember correctly, the tank slowly changed design over the course of the series? It's been so long since I have played it.
If it had 3 cannons it would be the Mega Tank.
That's where I recognise it from. Probably why I like it because I have such fondness for the advabced wars series
I knew it rung a bell for me, thank you it was on the tip of my tongue
Yeah, this has a lot of things in common with Valkyria Chronicles.
I like the VC series, but the design aesthetic is so far removed from 40k that it's not even funny. "Grimdark" and "Anime" are not cross-compatible styles.
Ebongrave is a badass name, you can practically see it in gunmetal grey. But between HH, Siege and his Primarch's novella GW have discovered their boner for Dorn recently.
I embrace the 40,000 Matilda.
That last sentence. Valrak must never find out.
He’s right tho. With out his dads help the Imperial Palace would have fallen, proving the Iron Warriors are superior at siege warfare
Peterabo is the only winner of the Horus Heresy and Valrak knows it.
Chad Valrak vs virgin Macca. The duel of the centuries 🤣
@Zoomer Stasi dude, we’re in a hobby, and Valrak is literally nothing but a cheerful kid at heart chatting about his experience… why are you so miserable and venomous about it? Honestly, get some fucking air, mate… no one is making you angry but yourself, and nobody else is participating in your imagined rivalry or unreasonable hatred against this bloke.
We are here to chat and have fun. If you are only going to thrash on the floor and scream, we’re putting you back in the car and going home.
@Zoomer Stasi the emoji didn't tip you off that it was a joke? But with a name like that I am not surprised
I think we can all agree that it's pretty amazing Factory 183 is still making tanks for the Imperial Guard in the 41st millennium.
Almost as amazing that there are still discernable corners left on this tank after all the design and manufacturing processes.
If they wanted to use a space marine name for the tank, they should have used a spaxe marine hero who fought alongside the guard. For example, "The Grimaldus" in honour of the Reclusiarch who defended hive Hellsreach.
Or heck, name it after heroic commisars, Yarick, Cain, Gaunt.
The Castellan would have been great. Named after the late Creeds famous rank.
Yarrick would've been perfect since he's gone now.
Ammunition storage would be an issue its got like 5 different sizes of shell. That's a lot of internal storage space
Came for the rant about GW tank design, stayed for the lecture on historical tank design. Well done sir!
Happy to see I'm not the only one thinking of a seriously dakka-ed up version of the Somua S35 squeezed between two enormous tracks
Looks more like a Matilda to me
So it's a Baneblade sized Leman Russ? JJAbrams school of tank design right here
It's about halfway between a Russ and a Baneblade.
Macharius sized, though the aforementioned tank looks a lot better.
I shared this model on my local hobby shop's FB and the 40+ year olds who only build tanks just about had a fucking aneurysm over the amount of dakka and out of place components that don't mechanically function given their location.
I'm not a big tank guy, so I don't really have an opinion on it except the guns are way too much.
There's not enough dakka man
@@zhongxina9832 loot it >:)
At least this one has suspension lul
Wow, wait until he sees the predator and lemon Russ tank…
Looking at just the front of the tank, there would have to be 3 crew jammed into that tiny front-left portion of the hull somehow. One demolisher gunner, one demolisher loader, and one stubber gunner. On the other side you need 2 crew as well, the driver and another stubber gunner. That is 5 crew squashed into the front of the hull, unless those stubbers are only to be used when the tank is stationary and not using the hull gun.
I have driven an IFV before, and there is not exactly a lot of room at the front for just two crew, let alone 5.
I’m so close to liking it, but there’s a handful of negatives- 1) stupidly over-gunned, the Primaris tank syndrome, and 2) I think it’ll look weird next to the other guard tanks. It’s a shame because I like the exposed treads and the wealth of extra bits for customising.
maybe the Leman Russ needs the new sentinel kit treatment. I dislike the sponson guns on this model but they might look nice on the taurox. Also the front stubbers/meltas look bad. The sponson autocannons of the taurox might look better in this vehicle
Primaris tank syndrome?? More like the imperial guard tank syndrome.
This tank only has 2 guns more than a Leman Russ exterminator. The nipple guns.
@@rodrigolopezmaya5974 the new sentinel looks like garbage tho.
The design makes me think of some 3D prints of knock off Leman Russes online.
The most obvious name would have been the Ursarkar, and it would have fit nicely.
The nipple guns I think are a consequence of eliminating the need for the guns to have line of sight to be shot since 8th edition
They will eventually bring back "True Line of Sight" rules just like they recycle everything else and it is gonna suck.
Thinking about it some more GDubbs could have followed Sweden's design philosophy if they wanted to go down that route. Created a tank designed to ambush enemy armour and be difficult to hit, but being very susceptible to fast moving forces like Dark Eldar, Eldar and flyers as well as infantry. But no, they went full retard and went with the R*ddit perception of the Guard... God, I hate nu-GW!
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5:33 Early Tiger II turret (aka. "Porsche Turret" though it was made by Krupp) had a similar cylinder shape protrusion for the commander's cupola. There are other real life examples too, not to mention Imperial examples like the Baneblade turret, Macharius, and probably some more.
Advantages of a smaller turret is of course that it's smaller, so it's a smaller target and weighs less. But as you mentioned there's less room inside. Everything is a tradeoff when it comes to tanks.
Overall I'd rather see it look more like the 3rd party Mortian tank, which looks a bit like a baby Macharius.
It's not bad though, but some things are very typical of 2020's GW, like the extra nipple guns. Looks dumb, good thing they're optional.
Those prototype turrets were not put into production. The first run of tiger 2s did use them, but even the Germans didn't like the design
@@SubliminalEncryption The 50 first Tiger II's had those turrets, yes. They were originally intended for another tank designed by Porsche that was never made.
It had drawbacks, but IMHO it was a very good looking turret design.
I still don't think the cylinder shaped protrusion for the commander's cupola is out of place on the Dorn, and as mentioned it's not even unprecedented for Imperial tanks.
Agreed completely with your assessment of this tank. Its like a patton or a super sherman with bits added on.
I would have like to have seen a 40k version of a Boarhound. (Its a 30 tonne armoured car)
Great 😃👍 Vid Macca, ".....Get That Me Ready To Mooove.!"
The tank feels too "round". Classic guard vehicles had/have sharp edges and sloped panels. This subtly breaks that style, and I think is worse for it.
It especially stands out with the sentinel. That thing is worse off now
My thoughts exactly. Compared to the Leman Russ, Chimera, Baneblade and even the Macharius and Malcador the Rogal sticks out way too much because of how rounded it is. It just doesn’t fit with the visual aesthetic of the guards tanks or even other imperium tanks like the Rhino or Land Raider.
I actually really like it, gives me Sherman/ Matilda tank vibes. I definitely think the new cadians have a WW2 US marine look as well, so I think it works
Royal Dorn tank should have just been a massive slab of armour, huge armoured plow style shield on the front would have been awesome.
The rear mounted Ma Deuce is for AA duties , the commander can swing it up and engage a aircraft as it comes in from the rear and not have to get out from his coupler , doctrines and tank design means the top and rear of a tank is not as thick compared to the front and a ground attack plane come in high and from the rear to take advantage of that weakness. Come main campaign in Europe after D-Day the luftwaffe was a minor threat due to air superiority, so those 50’s were used as extra ground support and then you get the image of guys hanging off the 50 while stood in the deck. Don’t forget tanks had coaxial machine guns and hill mounted machine guns for anti infantry use, MA Deuce is over kill when used in a anti infantry role and is outdated for use in AA role
It's a Lemon Russ battle tank with unnecessary extra steps...
oh wait that has Dorn written all over it XD
I like the classic Imperial Guard tanks very much, but I do really like this new one as well. In my opinion it's keeping enough with the classic look while updating it a bit with more rounded shapes. I'm very "conservative" in my 40K taste and a lot of the recent stuff has been a miss for me, but for me this is one of the best kits GW has done in years. Overall the new guard sculpts have been very great I think, seems like GW knows that it’s a bit of a "grognard" faction and they are keeping close enough to the classic look. For me the rounding isn't too much so far, hopefully they keep it that way.
I'm a real tank nut, I served as a tank commander in the army and so I would prefer that the 40K and 30K tanks would be a bit more realistic, especially on their armanent setup, but aesthetically I really love what they have done with mixing WW1 and WW2 designs with futuristic elements, it’s a very unique and cool look for me. Even though pretty much all of the designs are mostly unpractical or totally unrealistic, they have enough nods to real historical tank design to pull the look off even for a tank nut like me.
Anyway, I have pretty much totally given up on 40k, but these new Imperial Guard sculpts, especially this tank, makes me want to start a guard army. I doubt I'll really do that, but that's how much I like it.
Have to disagree on the last part. This is not the fault of computer design, it’s the artist not the medium. Look at Mortian and their tanks or the many proxy stl tanks, they aren’t as overdesigned as GW’s Primaris vehicles or this thing.
Since Yarrick has supposedly been removed from the next codex (he's almost certainly dead due to the current timeline jump), wouldn't it be more fitting to name this new tank after him?
That was my first thought, but I think that it makes more sense for them to wait until his body hits the floor to name something after him
@@calebbarnhouse496 The tale of his body hitting the floor may well be in the codex.
Alternatively, it wouldn't be the first time someone's kinda-sorta-maybe named a tank after a living person. The Churchill springs to mind.
@@Grymbaldknight it could, but I doubt GW wouldn't want to milk that death by being able to advertise a book with his death in it
Didn't knew what the slits on the side are for, that was very interesting.
I noticed they are on the chimera as well but my idea was always that they were some sort of exhaust, it would make sense since they have the same WWl brit twin engine design going on, and them being high up would prevent mud or water entering the engine. Also there is no actual exhaust part in the chimera kit so it would kinda makes sense. They could have the same function on this one.
Or since we're in 40k they are simply holes for the crew to shoot out, wouldn't surprise me at all.
It seems they got the nipple guns from the M2 tanks that had fixed forward guns. As well the turret protrusions seem inspired by the m25 or the t95 Coppolas just more extreme
I think they should have just made a plastic malcador tank
Yes
The nipple guns remind me of stuff like the early M3 Medium tanks the US built that had two fixed .30 cal machineguns in the hull - though they didn't last long in service because of the amount of feedback they got that they were completely useless. There's also crazy stuff like the IS-7 with the rear facing machine guns on either side of the turret, because somebody slipped an early batch of cocaine into Soviet Russia apparently... point is, there have been real world tanks designed with too much dakka.
On a different note, I kind of appreciate the hinged plate on the big hull mounted gun - it's not actually a good idea, but it seems to me that someone had the thought of "how do we do maintenance on this gun without having to pull the entire turret" - I like the thought process, but poor execution.
I'd mod and adjust some stuff if I had one. Either cut down the nip guns at the mount and re-glue to shorten them, or grab some spare bits and side mount to the upper hull like some old Russian tanks. And put the tow koos in their place instead.
Make a gun shield for that chonky hullmount gat/demo cannon.
Glue the smoke launchers to the turret instead. And fill in that mouth seam between the upper and lower frontal armour plates.
Just little things like that would make it a much more plausible design. Otherwise I rather like it.
Plus it's an amazing new Ork kit 😎
I like the idea of it, being something that will be far more common than a BaneBlade or Vanquisher (which I personally love the look of) and it does fit a role needed for the Guard and will make a nice addition to a three Russ squadron. The main gun with a twin las-cannon is a good choice as it at least will give space for the power banks.
Personally, I hate the exposed machine gunner. It honestly kills the look for me, especially in context of when this tank is being deployed. Thankfully, the final picture shows an option to add in skirts over the lower wheels and the option to remove the nipple guns. (Seriously, what were they thinking with those things? How are the gunners all gonna fit over there?)
It's also a fairly simple thing to change the position of a pintol MG
It's stupid and saying "iN rEaL LiFe" isn't an excuse, it's bias.
@@knarftahw How is this relevant to what I said?
@@loltwest9423 Read the first thing you said. Rewatch the video. Realise Maca said he liked the machine gun guy because in the past it was a thing. Than read the second thing you said. Realise I agree with you and am taking the piss out of Maca.
@@knarftahw I understand that you agreed with me. But why the fuck make a dig at Macca under my comment? Why not just comment under the video itself?
MGs mounted externally were added primarily for Anti Aircraft defence, they were rarely operated from outside the vehicle against infantry in engagement range, they were sometimes used to fire on light vehicles from extreme ranges though where return fire was unlikely.
I think with the turret, they took inspiration form Old Patton and Pershing tank turrets. Then they exaggerated the cupolas. Theres only 2 things I dont like about the tank and that's how many guns it has, and the fact that it has nipple guns. get rid of the nipple guns! I love how industrial it looks. I was really worried after the new sentinal design that it was going to look like the Volton vehicles (very dull and too sleek).
you can change them for headlights right?
This is a good breakdown. The Macharius or Malcador in plastic would have been better, and a more reserved version of this would have been good. I'm glad that they managed to make it look like a guard vehicle instead of something wacky
Why didn't they just release the macharius in plastic... they would have saved design cycles. The just would have had to scan the resin master and reuse interior 3d elements, if required to 40k things. Then they could have sold it into two systems and doubled their profit?
Or they should have done a bmp-t terminator
this thing looks like it was replaced by the leman russ instead of the other way around. the first new IA tank in 10k years and it looks even more like a ww2 tank than the last one
Ironically the design ideas are so assbackwards that it really shares more with 20s and 30s era tanks. Even by WWII tank designers had moved beyond many of the design ideas on this thing.
@@monkeyinapanzer yes it seems like a 40k matilda tank. some more scifi elements would be nice. the floaty atraeous tank or what it was called was more of a step in the right direction
@Zoomer Stasi it would be perfect to display PDF troops who have to make due with their shitty locally produced tanks until the imperial army with their mighty Leman Russ tanks can save the day in the last second
It looks more modern than the russ. The russ looks like it crawled out straight the Indiana Jones movie as a mk 4 with the FT turret. This at least incorporates some design elements from post WW1 tanks.
As someone really into tanks I despise this thing. It looks like every terrible design idea that failed in reality got shoved onto one vehicle.
The ridiculous amount of MGs from interwar American tanks: Check
Multi barrel stupidity: Check
WWI style suspension that would be extremely outdated: Check
Protrusions on the turret that would probably be weak spots like the Tiger II: Check
Needing double digit crew count to actually operate the vehicle: Check
Weapons with near zero travel: Check
View ports in areas with zero practical placement: Check
A almost certainly useless howitzer built into the hull taking up valuable space like the Char B1 and Churchill I: Check
Using like 5 different munitions: Check
No apparent crew hatches for the driver and the half a dozen guys operating all the sponson and hull guns: Check
Shot traps at every possible angle: Check
Granted Warhammer tanks are at best stupid designs like the Malcador or the Russ (somehow a gun a man can physically crawl in is a 122mm), but they at least look believable if you squint your eyes. This thing looks like the kind of tank that would be a massive failure in universe like the Soviet t-35 in our own history. A massive overhyped “super weapon” that barely functioned.
I like tanks, when it comes to fictional universe, I stop caring about if it makes sense as long as it looks cool. The new tank screams cool to my tank nerd.
Yeah no, listen i see it i get how this thing is ridiculous but less believable than the malcador? I love that thing but your kidding me? This is far more functional and most of the weapon options in here can be covered up, i personally dont think its as bad as people say but those nipple stubbers do kill the look of it
What's funny to me is that (IMO) the best tanks in 40k are tau... one main gun and drones that can detach. Simple. Effective. Maneuverable.
Is it worse than the literal flying bricks 40k has for aircraft and gunships?
I instantly thought of the Matilda looking at this. I think it will grow on me, I didn't hate it. Which is rare with gw
You did? It doesn't have a small main gun, and only 3 mud-vents. The Matilda had fenders and sponson space over the treads, it did not have WW1 style Sponson Turrets. The Matilda didn't have a gun in the front of the tank, you are thinking of a Char 1 in that detail.
11:09 I would like to point out shot traps only apply to certain types of rounds, like those used in ww2, as a result they are not considered to be a thing in modern tank design as the type of shells that can bounce in shot traps are hopelessly obsolete.
Also I am glad I am not the only one that saw a m6 heavy in this.
It does make a good datasheet to kitbash a proper tank for. I would have preferred if they used an upscaled malcador hull as the base template or a down sized Crassius hull. The bane blade turret or the marcharius turret would fit nicely. It is an entirely new hull with no listed STC or Forge world- which is tech heresy in 40k.
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I mentioned something like that during the live chat in the video premiere!
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Excellent video, subscribed. Strange that people designing a wargame have so little idea of how military equipment actually works. And no, "but it's fantasy!!!" isn't an excuse.
It's a redesigned Russ. I like it. With the exception of the front facing stubbers. They are redundant.
PS: stop giving vehicles 10 different guns. It's funny for the orks but otherwise it just slows the game...
I like almost everything except the nipple guns. Great video.
4:30 *_Synchronicity: When Macca Started talking about the *'Outside-Hull Gunner,'_*_ the first image that came to mind was 'BAND OF BROTHERS' Season I - Episode V: where the Sherman Tank Squadrons came to the rescue of the Embattled Infantry desperately Holding their position in the Treeline after being ambushed by Gerry The German: and that wonderful portrait of the 2 gunners in Profile letting off .50 Cal. Rounds & giving Gerry a __*_"Right Good Thrashing"_*
"You Beautiful Babies!" (?) one Grunt was heard to say.* (* Who Penned / OK'd that line?)
In any case, _Good Minds Think Alike_ I Suppose;O)=*~
It is fortifying this position.
Even the Ebongrave Assault Tank sounds better.
I'm probably going to nickname it the Praetorian Assault Tank going forward now.
Problem is. Nobody knows who Enongrave is. But Dorn ? *THIS* is a sign Dorn is returning soon and not Lion El Johnson.
@@Sorrowdusk Primarch's need to stay out of 40K, it should be your dudes all the way down!
I do suspect it's as you say design by committee or someone over their shoulder saying "add more cool stuff", because any designer worth their salt understands that a good design should never be overcrowded and I see this so much lately, just stuff slapped eeeeeeverywhere.
I really wish they would just tone down the insane amount of clutter, it would actually improve the look overall.
The main thing I hate is the 2 machine guns at the front of the hull, the tracks would get in the way of turning the guns left or right due to the tracks being in the way.
There's no real reason to have 2 either, there's a reason real tanks only have 1 machine gun at the front
Um, a fair amount of tanks have 2 machineguns in front. They were useually only fired 1 at a time, the idea was to allow more sustained firing, without haveing to change barrels (ie when 1 barrel is cooling down, you can fire the 2nd). There were also minor aditonal pluses such as redundancy if there was a jam/stoppage, and delayed reloading {especially before disintegrating belts were standard}
@@matthiuskoenig3378 not in the manner used here, they're often to cover a wider range of fire, but here arcs of fire would cross which makes no sense
The 40k Pershing shows its mediocre face.
…am I the only one that thinks it looks… cute?
its funny when people complained about the guy on the stubber but that was one of the more realistic aspects of the design. it looks OK to me. the sponsons look too small and too far forward so IF i even get one (which is not likely) Id not be using them. To me it looks somewhat similar to an m26 pershing as far as the single barrel turret is concerned
Daren Parrwood designed the Macharius according to old catalogues.
Minor point of issue with adding in real world manufacturing qualms with 40k vehicles; These tanks would be made by mechanicum forgeworlds and/or under the supervision of the mechanicum. In regards to metal hardening, and difficulties in manufacturing, I think it's easy to just say "no no its easy to manufacture things to that shape and have a softer inside with tough outside."
The point of the gunner is definitely valid, and I'd simply say that it may not make sense in the real world, but I can see an Imperial Guard marshal being asked for feedback and suggesting they put it on the back so that an infantry squad could hop on the back in case the guy originally on it died. Guardsman life is merely a statistic resource after all.
You could counter with the point that protecting the gunner would be better, and at that point I'd simply concede and say that if it takes you out of the design and breaks your suspension of disbelief, then sure. But I'm willing to drop my standards a bit for rule of cool.
I'd also validate the design by suggesting it makes the tank look a little bit more like a stationary gun emplacement, as if the turret is like a barricade.
Whilst I'm typing this mini issue, I must say I despise the stupid gatling gun on the front. It instantly adds a bunch of barrels that really clutters the design. The mini demoliser on it looks much better. Not to mention the gun wouldn't be able to hit anything that wasn't another tank or building, and even then it doesn't look like it'd do much damage when compared to blast weapons which can also hit infantry easier.
TOC - "you don't do that will Hull mounted weapons"
*Stug III Enters the chat*
Can't wait for "Sanguinius" tank and "Ferrus Manus" tank. Or even better, a bloody "Horus" tank.
And henceforth it shall be known as the Rogan Josh at my gaming group 🤣
This thing feels...weird? It might be just me but this thing feels almost as if you asked someone who plays a lot of Fortnite to draw a tank?
That was my first reaction and the twin stingers in the front plate always make me laugh but it doesn't give me the same reaction that the Primaris did and like them, are growing on me. I just hope this thing isn't going to overshadow the Leman Russ and is used in numbers it should be in 1 for every 3-5 Leman Russ.
Looks like an airfix model somebody converted. In general the new Cadians are a bit too modern military for my liking. Something about the knee pads in particular. And, of course, everything is new gigantic. GW keep 'fixing' things that don't need fixing, or rather narcissitic designers and artists keep wanting to make 'their' models rather than update the proportions and details of well-loved and tested designs. (Why anyone thought to redesign anything Juan Diaz made, for example, is beyond me.) Some of the designs could survive a change but others don't. The new helmets look stupid and are clearly a retro-inspire from the pre-3rd edition days before the Cadians really got solidified in their design.
The new sentinel looks stupid and like something from War Machines.
A lot of this things issues can be solved by just leaving bits off it. No nipple guns, no side sponsons, no nooks etc. Looks much better.
i like it, but not so much i want ten of them.
way better than the leman russ
its a nice middle between the leman russ and the baneblade chassis.
if the price is right ill take 3.
and the dude on the back of the turret is straight FURY vibes..
stubber is like a 50 cal anyways so why not.
Too many fucking machine guns in the front hull and somehow the sides are less armoured with the exposed wheels than the “light” tank leman russ it’s replacing
I can't believe how 567ing huge THIS new tank is! It's gigantic... to quote AVGN: "What where they thinking?!"
It's not a replacement at all for the Leman... get that idea out of your head!, lol.
@@rhaivaen I know, I don't get why people think it's a replacement. It's just another tank to the gaurd range.
@@radicalgremlin6440 gaurd? 🤪
@@rhaivaen sorry I can't spell well 😅
You don’t get the tc to man the gun on the back of the turret. You make a deal with your attached infantry element. You get a free ride, and we get a machine gunner to shoot at aircraft and infantry.
The front of the hull also reminds me of the Kv-1but with a more pronounced slope, what i also wonder is where the hell the spocket is
The stubber placement on the turret makes no sense. The purpose of moving the 50 cal. back on US WW2 tanks was to allow it's use for AA duty, the gunner could crouch behind the turret and get more elevation. In this case (setting aside the dubious effectiveness 50 cal. against void capable aircraft because it's 40k) the stubber is too far forward on the turret to allow anything more than a 30 degrees angle. These machine guns are also meant to be crewed by accompanying infantry or someone from the turret crew, but we already see two heads popping through hatches so who is manning the guns ? Do they have a dedicated crew-member for staying outside the tank and manning this machine-gun ?
well they could be great against flying rocket orks or winged tyranids, an extra support gun is just good, the two guys popping the hatches could be the tankcommander and/or loader(s) of the gun(s)
model it however you want it,
you can change quite a lot on this tank from what ive seen, you can change the hull guns for headlights, you can add armour over the wheels, add or leave toparmour for over the tracks
its 40k and the imperial guard is plenty, should not be hard to find a infantrysoldier to man the 50cal (i know i would instead of being picked off instantly firing my lasgun) being protected somewhat behind a steel turret.
ill just imagine FURY when they go against the anti-tank guns to save the pinned down platoon.😊
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Take off the turret and make it a new transport-type tank. Somewhat like the razorback from the Space Marines and I think it would be better.
Really like this video 10/10
Looking at the tank, if every gun on it fired at the same time not only would you need 8 crew - assuming each gun needed someone to fire it plus loaders for the heavy guns - but I would imagine all that recoil would make decent accuraccy almost impossible.
Given all the guns on the front of it I thought it was more meant to be a vehicle for defense. Tho that could just be me not knowing a lot about tanks
I know this is an older video so a response is unlikely but I thought this might be an interesting question.
Is there a valid lore reason on why the Baneblade modern mbt style of chassis isn't just scaled down to the size of the Russ or Dorn? We do know that the mechanicus can scale up and down tech that is already established so why not use the blade chassis? I imagine that the Russ is a cheap chassis to manufacture but wouldn't the Blade chassis be a "better" design to tweak and/or adapt for standard Guard formations?
I think spalling is the first thing any 40k Imperial tank has to worry about. They're all rivetted. Their entire tanks are out to kill their crews.
I mostly dislike these tanks that have too many weapon profiles i have to roll for. I prefer it be kept to around 3 for most units. more is fine if its titanic.
very very interesting
This tank rubs me the wrong way. I am not a qualified tanker, I just look at it and it is off - so close yet so far. The nipple-guns, the idiotic sidesponsons, the windows to the left and right, the moronic obsession with the center mount, the downward pointing exhausts... This could have been great, if after the design by comittee step somebody would have went over it to remove the chaff.
I just really miss the old DKoK and Elysian FW kits. Those Leman Russ upgrades, Macharius variants, elysian tracked vehicles...
when i so it fir the first time i was thinking of the swedish m42 tank
cant wait untill they releas the roboute guilliman supper heavy tank, and corax stealth tank and jagathai khan fast assault tank🤣🤣 geeeh stupid name Rogal Dorn tank
The Angron Dozer, the Mortarion garbage truck, the Magnus ‘Fuck You’ Vortex-cannon-wielding super tank that has never done anything suspect…
@@tomgeytenbeek2207 😂😂😂
Someone at GW thought that the Sherman tanks in Kelly's Heroes movie would be good in w40k
Could you cover the Corswain model? Really a big fan of the character and I know you like him, I thought it's a decent job that's almost understated and almost gets the fur cloak right
This is what happens when Homer Simpson designs a tank.
That's not the SM grav tank?
@@Sorrowdusk That is ALSO what happens when Homer Simpson designs a tank and has a little more time with it.
6:30 I'm getting Lazerpig flashbacks rofl.
Crazy that the Royal Navy invented tanks.
The royal landship commitee designed the ones used on the western front, then sent Royal Navy officers and engineers to the army to help develop further models, seeming as we were already manning the fleets and the army had loads of man power spare
Whatever designs came after from other countries or the same to improve (its easy to improve once you are given the basic master schematic) ..it took British engineers to bring them into existence when no others had thought to do so.
clearly the operational(not just nonworking concept) original wouldnt stand up to the greatest tanks of today or a nuclear bomb .....but you cant really compare the two as it would be similar to comparing a stick to a pully to pull someone out of water....one was the original, the other had far loger to be developed at a time of peace
Shot-traps are meaningless in modern warfare. Modern tank guns using APFSDS ammunition can reach significantly higher velocities. the 44 caliber 120mm gun used by the M1 Abrams can shoot projectiles at ~1600m/s. Later models of the Leopard 2 using the longer 55 caliber 120mm gun can reach 1750m/s. At such velocities, if the fired shot connects against the enemy tank’s armour, one of three things will happen:
1: The penetrator will shatter;
2: The penetrator will embed itself inside the enemy armour but will lack the penetration to completely traverse it;
3: The penetrator will completely go through the enemy armour and proceed to do many terrible things to the crew and equipment sheltered inside the tank.
It's another reason why you don't see as many slopes in modern MBT's.
I like the ww2 style but I dislike the guns on the front of the hull
im calling it the Matilda III
Perterabo tank
a good name for an assault tank, for sure. but not this thing. paint this pos gold and it will fit it's name.
With the many many tankettes and variations of ww2 and cold war tanks with 1 turrets, they can't have any imagination to make new tanks (fast light tanks anyone?). Heck, more ww1 inspiration mixed with ww2 would be good (how I plan to literally make my tanks, mixing a ww1 replica with warhammer third party turret).
(and the for the machine gun on the back, on the sherman, I believe it was anti-air weapon, which ended up being a regular machine gun most of the time).
It looks like a cartoon version of a Vietnam era tank
The track style and the sponsons just dont mesh for me
It doesn't look like a product of STC technology
Also the Leman Russ tank was named before primatchs, back when he was just a badass Imperial commander
It's an awful design, sharing similar problems to the Executioner, i.e: too many guns in too little space. How I wish GW patterned it after the work FW had done, or even better had made something akin to an early/ prototype version of the Abrams to update it's aesthetic.
The fact it hasn't been shown with dozer blades or other tank accessories has me worried even further about its aesthetics and functionality (or lack of, depending on how you see it).
The 4Chan edits, turning it into Stugr to make the design work. Something GW clearly never thought of.
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