A Tankers View of the Rogal Dorn Battletank | Warhammer 40k
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- I fall in to rabbit hold bigger than the hole in Geedubs business ethics. I look at the newest piece of deus ex bullcawl the Rogal Dorn pattern MBT
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It's funny that it's a Sherman, because lore wise, the Leman Russ is the Sherman of 40K. It can be customized for ANYTHING.
I always thought the Rogal Dorn looked more like Patton series tanks.
@@arya31ful pershing
@@SCHMALLZZZ Pershing, Patton, basically the same tank until the later ones like M47 and M48.
I agree with either. The Dorn doesn't fit the other Guard tanks because it has US tank inspirations instead of the usual British
Instead of the nipple stubbers, I went with how they did it in Fury and just added more Stubbers to the top of the turret for the commander and loader
I added the 2 extra stubbers to the gun mantlet of mine cause I think the nipple stubbers look stupid lol
I did the same thing, it's easy to do and looks really cool.
The Dorn gets extra points in my book simply because it doesn't have a turret that looks tiny compared to the Russ that GW wants you to believe fits two guys and a 120mm gun.
The Rogal Dorn to me feels kind of superfluous. The niche of “bigger than Leman Russ, smaller than Baneblade” was filled by both the Macharius and its vastly less reliable cousin the Malcador. The Rogal Dorn is now the third chassis type in an area that already has 11 variants that already has multiple points of overlap.
We’ve got
Heavy tanks
Heavy armored transports
Heavy armored artillery
Heavy (read Titan-sized) flame tank
Heavy plasma cannon carrier
Anti-infantry/suppression
Tank hunter
Laser tank hunter
Assault gun
In the absence of major differences it’s only real draw to me is aesthetics which compared to its others it’s a good deal better, but in context it’s competition in an already contested niche, adding a 12th and 13th options. Until the variants come out the Rogal Dorn doesn’t bring much new to the table.
It is a pretty cool looking tank though, but I think some lighter tanks named after Khan or Corvus would be pretty dope and some more IFV/APC's.
@@thehappy_spearman1389 The Macharius looks even cooler and more functional.
Probably the one thing with the Dorn is that it's a mainline GW game, while the Macharius and Malcador are Forge World.
I would like to see either a light tank or a kettenkrad with heavy weapon squads weapons on it.
@@uwesca6263 That would be a nice option for Elysisans I bet. Air dropped heavy weapons that could relocate quickly.
I would love to see a tankers view on more chaotic vehicles, like the Plagueburst Crawler.
So... I have a proposition: how about entering the Valkyria Chronicles rabbit hole?
That series' tank designs are great
Im writing it now
Macharius tank next!
Me: You truly are a man of culture!
That Matilda II sure looks like a Churchill.
The way your humor and technical expertise play together is a ton of fun. Comments for the algorithm.
Roman dorn , will it pass or will it feel like ir went though the Iron cage.
It’s an m6 heavy tank, with the hull length shrunk then whole thing blown up. That’s where they got the nipple stubbers from and the hull shape
awesome work!
if I may make a recommendation for a tank from battletech, the mars assault tank is a 100 ton beast of a fire support vehicle and about as close to a BOLO as the setting has.
there is some art by MATTplog that is really nice and take it the 80/90s early sci-fi line-art vibe the original had to a more modern look, so maybe a compare and contrast?
great video, and good luck.
Or Battletech's Schrek PPC Carrier. I used to run a quad of those that would make mincemeat of most Mech Lances.
Pegasus Hovercraft swarm. Knee capping Lances forever
Ah, the Dorn! Can't go wrong with that!
Why not use a macharius? Again the overall design isn’t that bad, it’s just that well, it’s too rounded, get rid of the two nipples, add a secondary heavy weapon mount facing backwards where the sponsons are giving you four heavy weapons mounts instead, lower the upper deck, lengthen the turret, get rid of that horrible mantle plate, extend the auxiliary weapon mount out a bit much like the bane blade and get rid of those flared arched on the track guards
I wish GW gave us the Macharius and/or Malcador in plastic.
Im just saying.... Filimento sponsored a vid on this channel. They make malcadors for sure...legally distinct but in plastic
By plastic do you mean injection molded plastic, 3d printed SLA, or FDM plastic?
@@hussarzwei6223 the links on the land raider video bro. 3d printed
@@atankersview I thought it would be the Malcador video. Consider my expectations subverted.
No need to wait any longer!
Great video man, made me laugh
oh sweet, you fixed up your audio a bit since that baneblade video i just watched. sounding nice and crisp this time around
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Tbf that _is_ good enough reason.
To be fair to the Russ: In the Imperium not how big the tank is, it's how many you can throw out. And to my knowledge the Russ is still the more produced tank, with the Dorn being a heavier variant for when you can't get one of the few BaneBlades around. So... yeah, the Russ is still superior. Give me 2-3 tanks over 1 heavier one anyday, at least if you're not going to give me a super heavy
What about the Macharius? Isn't it supposed to be the discount Baneblade?
@@johndane9754 That and the Malcador, although both of those are rarer and don't see much play, so it makes sense GW released another in that field. we got like 10 flavors of Russ, makes sense we have multiple heavies considering that's a core part of Guard strats
My headcanon is: since the russ is based on a traktor i think that this is why the russ is so prevelant in the imperium. The traktor is easy to build, long "shelf life" and easy to maintain and repair. Since every planet has use for it everyone maintain a production line for it. The tank itself is a mere upgrade kit for it. Adding weapons and armor. With that every planet has the industry to supply nearby guard regiments and has an surplus of vehicles and personal (the farmers.and mechanics) it can use to bench press into the guard if needed.
This logistical plus negates all the downs this vehicle has.
That picture you showed us was not a Matilda II that was a Churchill Mk.I
Thats why we dont use Wikipedia lmao.
I smoothed my own Dorn's hull out to remove the ehm "ribbing" as well as the machine gun jublies and added texture to make it look like Cast metal. It changed the whole look of the tank and made it look more like An M6 Heavy tank
Got a pic. I'd love to see it!
@@atankersview sent you a DM on gram. any links were busted when I tried to send here.
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You missed out the boiling vessel the Rogal Dorn also has, leading to higher crew morale than in a Russ.
The dorn seems more like a Pershing than a Sherman
What the Imperial Guard could really use thematically is a flying carry-al. They have a sky-talon which is a customised valkyrie. But a bulkier, slower and cheaper general purpose carrier that is able to lift vehicles around the battlefield would really fit this 'assembly line clockwork' theme that GW added to the latest release of the Guard.
The imperial guards could use a fighter they don't have one I know that in game a Marauder bomber is supposed to be the fighter version but in actuality it's not
In terms of lift, lorewise anyway the Guard is missing a heavy lift Vtol chinook equivalent, you've got the medium lift Valk and there are mentions of Drop ships ranging from Company sized up to those regiment like Decourer class Dropships or those monsters of landers you see behind Creed Senior in some of the art, but there isn't really anything mentioned on the platoon scale beyond the odd converted civilian cargo shuttle.
It's one of those weird capability gaps you see in a lot of the armies, I suppose it could be because no one ever found a STC to fit the role, more likely its just no one at GW thought about it that hard!
@@maddlarkin no no more VTOL they have enough they need fighters
@Pridefallen975 I mean seeing as Guard air support is provided by the Navy and the Navy has a few options, Thunderbolt heavy fighters, Lightning Interceptors and a whole bunch of voidborn fighters under the general umbrella of Fury Starfighters (although these are to a standard fighter what a destroyer is to a patrol boat) Guard regiments with organic air support is rare but they happen, Phalantine raised entire regiments of fighter pilots who used Thunderbolts due to the nature of their home world. Theres also a few mentions of various locally produced PDF aircraft so fighters exist whether they currently have rules is an entirely different matter
@@maddlarkin I mean we don't get to use them on game do we nope it's the sisters of battle who use them I don't see them as the guards
All i need to know is if i can still hit enemies will my sword. :)
I like it, find it weird that they didn't give it any lore at all tho. And the lack of a floor plate, 3d printers got it covered.
to me it looks like an ARL 44 on steroids.
Just from the outside, and keeping in mind the imperiums tech level, how believable do you find the dorn? Do you think it fits with the current line up of imperial vehicles? I personally quite like the design, its far better than the kratos in terms of fitting in
Short incoming
It's terrible frankly. Placement of those guns on the front is about useless due to lack of any optics for aiming them. Moving the pintle mount to the back is a step back from the more sensible placement on other Imperial tanks. And where the hell is all the storage for the 4-5 different types of ammunition? Why is the Dorn the only Imperial tank that forgot lasers exist? I'm betting all of that ammo is stored in the fighting compartment too so that pretty much any penetration is guaranteed to start an ammunition fire. Something which adding lasers mounts could have prevented.
I understand that GW didn’t give us much to work with in terms of lore, but I was hoping for a critique of the Rogal Dorn. It would be interesting to see the pros and cons of the RD. It’s not a bad tank, but the design has some flaws.
Like not having a bottom?
Have you checked out some of the fun Lords of War in Heresy?
What is your view of the Siege tanks from Starcraft 1 and 2?
The manufacturer for the tanks changed between games in the lore, if you want to know why the look so different.
The Rogal Dorn is exactly perfect as a defensive emplacement.
Can it do overland travel? Yes.
Should it? Not at all.
This tank is designed to defend a city, ideally at the longest range possible. It is festooned with guns, which means it's full of ammunition. Well, all that weight adds up. So you're taking from the armour, the speed, and the maintenance durability. Sure, future tech, but everything comes at a cost.
The Rogal Dorn tank is meant to intimidate more than perform. How many shots does the Oppressor cannon hold? Let's be generous and say 30-45. Impressive for A fight. One. But. Warhammer is bad at logistics. Most tabletop battles last 6 turns, or like, a few minutes in real life. The lore is drastically different, so it's hard to nail down what's 'real'
Forgeworld usually gives every heavy bolter about 2000 rounds. That's.. better. Certainly better. But, how many of those are used for suppression, as opposed to stopping enemies?
As far as being an actual, real world tank? The Rogal Dorn should be used as an artillery piece, capable of redeploying. Think more like a Marder 3. The difference is that the Rogal Dorn has a lot of anti infantry punch, which might make you think it should go try to use it. Don't.
The simple fact is, it will be outmaneuvered, and with all that ammo on board, a few lucky shots might make those rounds cook off.
Keep it back, keep it protected. Let the big gun do it's work, then once it's run dry, consider your options.
But, that's just my opinion.
Also the nipple guns stick out past the front of the tracks, so when going up or down ridges with steep bottoms, well you are going to be a couple of guns short.
Has GW said if it's supposed to be a new (or newly discovered) design or if it's something that's supposed to have been around all along? Either option is cool, I'm just curious.
Allegedly the stc has been on terra the whole damn time. I dont know how much stock i put in that. But it seems pretty fitting that they hoard the best stuff where it'll never been found or used. Kinda like a million odd primaris and the attendant logistics chain to go with them 🤣
Personally I think it looks absolutely stupid, it’s too rounded and just lacks that sort of guard’esk angular feel most imperial tech tends to have, instead it looks like a cross between a mecharius and a tau hammerhead
4:52 - Isn't that a multi-melta? WTF is a 'heavy-nipple stubber'?
The two gun barrels on the prow that look suspiciously slanneshi.
just visually I like dorn's tank better than leman's
It even feels less imperial
Again i have to ask. Magella Attack from Gundam.
I like the design of the Dorn but man I'm just not vibing how big it is. It's looks HYOOOGE compared to the Russ until you put a baneblade next to it, and it just feels weird that it's almost the same size as the Impulsor/Gladiator because it feels like the marines should get the bigger toys... Still want one tho
😢 Marines already get everything
I Dislike it, not only because i have to stand on air inside the compartment due to a lack of floor and no STC to fix that, but i think it looks nowhere near as stylish as the Leman Russ.
additionally, The Leman Russ is a more balanced design in my opinion, assuming the sponsons are controlled by servitors or automatic systems, the Leman Russ can actually make Due with a 4 man Crew, while the Rogal Dorn looks like a T-35 esque desaster for any Tank Commander.
on the Russ, the Driver can drive, Radio operator can Radio and use the Hull mounted Weapon if need be, the Gunner can operate the canon, its still, shit to not have a dedicated loader due to the large calibre and thus weight of the Rounds, but at least there is only one canon to take care of, and the Commander can actually command reasonably well, given the crew is well drilled.
i assume though the commander also has to assist in loading the main Canon, and give (if present)the sponson servitors orders, or have the Sponson crews help loading the main canon, all in all, not perfect, but okay conditions, not excusing its clear faults, but it is at least in the range of being managable, its a grim dark setting, its supposed to be horrible conditions for the people there, but not horrible enough that death is preferrable to becoming a tank commander.
The Rogal Dorn on the other hand, Bristling with weapons as it is, already presents a desaster for fire Controll, since the Imperium allows no usage of AI, i would assume at least one full servitor is needed for every sponson and the hull mounted ball mounts, already filling up space and requiring significantly more room inside for ammunitions storage and the servitors.
the radio operator and driver both either have it very cramped due to the ball mount servitors, or the vehicle has less space for ammo behind them, also the gunner must have the most shit job ever, if anyone ever saw a 120mm one piece tank shell, its huge, its heavy, now assume having to load two canons as a single guy, without automated loading systems, thats a shitty job if i ever knew one.
i can‘t see the turret being big enough for a secondary loader either, at least not if ammo is to be stored anywhere in reach of the gunner, and still fitting the commander, inside, who also has to direct the fire of 4 servitors, his hull gunner, his main gunner, fire an autocanon or stubber for support and marking targets, direct the driver, and give vox instructions to his radio opperator, that is not a thing a human without cybernetic enjancements can manage.
as we saw in our reality, it is shit to have 2 man turrets, now imagine serving on a JS-122, getting your loader comrade removed, but added a second main gun, and tons of secondary arnaments, who shall manage that?
you would need an entire cybernetic interface like on a relic baneblade for the commander to be able to keep track of everything, it will be pure chaos inside, this is shit if your commissar will execute you for a lack of combat efficiency or skill.
so to wrap this up, i dislike the Rogal Dorn, and i love the Leman Russ, both for their looks, and their logic.
How soon will you be talking about the vehicles of Valkyria Chronicles?
Im writing it now.
@@atankersview ah sweet. Will it have a Thanksgiving release?
Awesome, I didn't know this was in the works, love that franchise. I did call my 40K armoured detachment the Gallian 3rd armoured
More like a Matilda 2 m26 hybrid
3d printer go brrrrrr.
it's a tank. yer a tanker. don't think the math is hard :)
Warhammer actually doing something right tank wise 😂 rather than Halo