> "Powerful creatures that couldn't be killed and kept in containment" > "Bizarre to have in your capital city" Tell that to Dalaran and the Violet Hold
Hayven will live on in our memories, his channel and his legacy. His lore that not only opened eyes but should be added to any wow wiki-type page as a tribute to him. Hayven wasn't just a kind guy who liked to share wow, but a scholar; a lore researcher of immense power and knowledge. Whatever wow has or will do; hayven will always be there in spirit and in memory. He IS the lore of warcraft. When ever someone looks up wow lore or content: Hayven lives.
Fun "fact": World of Warcraft was actually planned to run with content patches and not expansions! Thats why some of the BC content was planned for vanilla!
The concept art for the dragon isles with the big nautilus thing was actually a unreachable and unfinished zone in the vanilla zone files. Only way to see it was with a very old file-viewer. It had a structure very similar to the concept art but nothing was really textured from what I remember way back then. I have no idea if it can still be found in the files somewhere. Back then we thought it was for a zone with the queen of the nagas.
Man, I had really hoped that they would have kept the skeleton of Archimonde, or at least a piece or two, around the tree. It would have been a fantastic nod to the zone, and what could come in Cataclysm.
The Raid that was in Stormwind, the gate (instance door) was actually visable up until ( Cat* maybe ) the instance door was between Trade district and Old Town, directions would be you leave trade towards old town, turn right instead of going over the bridge you walk around the "U" now at the wall at the bottom of the "U" was the instance door, which has been since taken out of the game itself.
I remember the old Ironforge "tomb" type thing under the city. You could jump/glitch your way through the wall behind the throne, which lead to a ramp leading down to a floating island/platform hovering above a giant pool of lava. My old guild would meet down there all the time. :)
In lore the whisps surrounded Archimonde and caused a giant explosion. The way he's just bones in the vanilla version, however, implies that the whisps consumed him like Piranha. "A group of whisps can strip the skin off an Eredar Lord in under a minute."
There was a raid portal in original Hyjal, rumors were it would be another Ony style raid featuring Deathwing. Also in the northwest mountains of Aszhara there was another raid portal hidden behind rocks, when you got close the area tag would read Timbermaw hold (if memory serves)
That "Stormwind vault thing" sounded a lot like Violet Hold to me. Which of course made me chuckle a bit when you said "I can't see this being interesting". I don't think I've met anyone that actually ENJOYS running Violet Hold (either in Wrath or Legion).
Thanks :D We're working on a few! Features that didnt make it into the game (Path of the Titans / survival skills etc) & places we haven't been to yet (northern islands/Dragon Isles, Kul'tiras, etc etc).
I do remember that there was a large raid portal locked behind a large metal gate in the Stormwind Canal area I wonder if that was going to be the raid that never was..
@@izicial7469 the only zone in wod with green lava was tanaan, and that wasn't even there at launch. the real problem with WoD was too much orcs, and not much else. that's why they switched direction in middle of the production, and that resulted with tons of scrapped and unfinished content and bad story.
The more cynical way to look at it is that basically all the creativity and success of the game was there early on, and all that happened afterwards was picking up table scraps. Basically everything good about the game was seeded during its original development.
From what I've heard, Karazhan was supposed to be the raid after Naxxaramas, and people who had the staff would be required to gain access to the raid. But Naxxaramas ended up being too difficult for most of the player base, so they decided to make a quest chain involving Khadgar and Dalaran to open Karazhan, but they ended up not finishing Karazhan, Dalaran, or Hellfire Pennisula (which was apparently suppose to release alongside Karazhan), and instead migrated those ideas over to The Burning Crusade, with the exception of Dalaran, because why include Dalaran when you'll likely be spending all your time in Outlands. Since the staff was tied to older content, they decided to continue with the Khadgar plan and just put him in Outlands. Dalaran would later be finished and included in Wrath of the Lich King, the following expansion.
I don't know, but from my perspective everything planned for tbc and warth was pretty much already planned for vanilla. And that also explain why the game ramp up on subs up to wrath and sinked down after it.
The Gundrak raid and Azjol-Nerub were cut from Wrath. Along with aerial combat and the dance studio. Wrath is when content started to get cut (not unlike the things he discussed for vanilla which did end up being in the game). Overall I can see that Blizzard's intention for the game were to just continue adding patches to vanilla wow but they realized that they would receive far less revenue if they didn't just require an expansion to play such content.
Kezan is one of my favorite places. I literally always have a starting goblin on Kezan just to go there and see it and see Gallywix (who is one of my top ten characters in WoW). Ive been writing a deep and long story on an expansion based on the Island of Kezan. in which there are four to give surface zones, then possibly up to two underground zones one of them being ofcourse, Undermine. On top of that there are other bits and quips ive been working on. regardless all of this to say, Kezan is awesome and has lots of potential.
Atiesh as a quest to obtain player housing for a guilds would have been epic. Satisfying a need but making a very high hurdle to clear... Atiesh Quest could develop a whole "guild Instance" where members could have rooms or houses? The top guild mage gets the single copy per guild allowed.... Emerald dream could have been leveraged into the stronghold of the Earthen Ring, a druid anchored 3rd faction? Time and Planar travel being their main function. Hyjal would be the gateway zone.
Just to add; In Vanilla Karazhan was supposed to be a part of the zone it is in. Karazhan was much larger in alpha and it was supposed to be this grand abandoned tower that players would do quest inside and such. There was however supposed to be raid instance in the basement of Karazhan, this raid instance was supposed to give some kind of item that allowed players to open the Dark Portal once on each server, once the portal was opened the entire server could enter the portal and do the stuffs in Hellfire Peninsula, while there Hellfire Citadel was supposed to be the raid in Hellfire Peninsula, which would eventually link and give players on the server access to Northrend. All this was planned for level 60, but I guess the opening of AQ and the strain it did on servers back then played a huge part in not taking WoW in that direction.
for number 1 the stormwind vault as u called it. it was speculated that the entrance was at the south east of stormwind city thru a big gate and it was a portal to an area for player housing project that was scrapped so early on in development before alpha but the remenants of it were still there and hayven even made a vid about it.
You forgot to add hero classes; the initial plan was that all the original 8 classes could branch off to 2 advanced or hero classes at a certain lvl (lvl 30 or 40 I think). Ultimately, most if not all of these things were scrapped because Blizzard decided to go through the Publisher route (Vivendi back then, now Activision) and like all publishers... wanted a quicker development schedule. Because of this, most of the Blizzard North team (the team who originally conceived most of these concepts) left the core company because they weren't in favor of being bought out by Vivendi.
I just gotta say that it doesn't even matter what you're talking about, I just put on one of your videos in the background while I play WoW. You have such a pleasant voice c:
These videos are really really good and informative. Makes me go back in memory to the days when I was a very active WoW-player. Thank you for your contributions to the community and making me take a trip down memory lane :) Keep up the good work!
Atiesh was the original KEY(attunement) to hypothetical vanilla Karazahn. They even kept the ability for the gate to automatically open when someone who possesses the staff approaches the door. it was similar to the guild effort to spark the AQ Opening event, except that to get into Karazhan you'd need to conquer Naxx and build at least 1 Atiesh to open the door. (once you got inside you could get the FP to the top and Enter via that entrance instead).
I don't know why, but the original Hellfire Penn. reminds me of the Warcraft movie, maybe because it was filled with more hills and mountains like the movie version was? Hayven was going to look into the Mt. Hyjal raid months ago when I suggested it to him, noting to him about the "other half" of the raid that was blocked by the invisible wall. I'm assuming this was the same Hyjal you couldn't access in the open world too. I felt honored that he acknowledged the idea, it would have been a fun vid to see :D I remember reading about the second Stormwind dungeon/raid somewhere and that's what they instance portal was for over by Old Town. There was something about the clock tower too over in the canals, it has a full interior and what looks like stairs, but it has since been closed up completely. Spooky things happening in Stormwind.
If you watch the behind the scenes DVD that came with the collector's edition it's mentioned that outland was suppose to be opened in Vanilla after the two factions gathered enough resources and there were "uber bosses" behind it.
The emerald dream as a druidic location was certainly addressed in Legion but that idea of it as a half-formed world with a lot of nods towards game development I think could still be explored in a future titan-related expansion. Perhaps to reverse horrific damage done to the planet we have to actually go into the emerald dream and load a backup of the continent. _It wouldn't be weirder than WoD._
11: A paladin class mechanic that was both engaging and actually useful. Honestly, seals were great and all, but they needed a huge overhaul. What we didn't need was Paladins just being holy rogues....
One thing I always wondered back in vanilla was what they were going to use that one area in the Wetlands for. Where all the high level red dragons were. And the big gates built into the mountains and stuff. I always figured that was going to be a raid instance at some point. Or that like you would find Alexastrasza in there somewhere. I guess it turned out that the area was a placeholder of sorts for Grim Batol, which showed up in Cataclysm. I also remember looking around for where Quel'Thalas was going to be in the plaguelands back in vanilla too. I knew about the lore, I knew where it should've been and I remember mountain-walking trying to get into maybe a secret area to see if it was in development behind an invisible wall or something lol. Man, that was back in vanilla where we had no idea what was coming or if there were any secrets to find like that. The sense of mystery was huge.
Interesting. I remember seeing two areas set aside - one with Horde emblems and one with Alliance emblems and always wondered about that. Makes sense now. Thanks for going over this.
2:20 i notice this concept art from the Dopefish exploration videos back in the day, they had started to design a temple like building with elevated stairways just like this, and he was running around it untextured
I starred watching the blozzcon 2007 raids and dungeons panel, and wow... just wow. Just from the beginning wow. I always imagined the devs as theory crafters. I'll be sure to watch the rest of it tmrw night. Great vid.
There was a time the Duskwood zone was supposed to function similar to how the last part of the Vault of the Wardens Dungeon works, requiring some sort of light scource for you in order to attack enemies. That's the reason NPC guards in Duskwood would carry around torches on their patrols (well aside from the logical reason that duskwood is just dark).
So, few more I remember, that got implemented later or after Cataclysm: - The airfield above Ironforge - Old ironforge - The area east of Wetlands, which post-sundering became Twilight Highlands - And may be Uldum....
Mr. Bellurlar, love your work mate. It's a damn shame you couldn't do the questing mod you guys were working on I was really excited for that, in any case, keep up the great work
That stormwind insance is called stormwind vaults , it has a working instance portal and even got its own loading screen when they put them in for each instance.
Not only ingame files when it comes to the vault or well that was true in the past you could find this simillar entrance thing like stockades but was blocked off with a closed gate and you could see the green portal thing they use for raids behind it.
One cool thing that never made vanilla was Dwarf mages. There were dwarf NPC's that were mages and the original handbook that came with the physical copy of vanilla said dwarves could be mages, but evidently they were cut somewhere between the printing of the booklets and the final version of the game.
It's kind of weird no one ever talks about Twin Blades of Azzinoth (Pre TBC) It was basically an early version of Illidans Warglaives, that were GM items. Red quality level as far as I remember. Above legendaries. There were rumours that those were somehow obtainable as well in the early stages of vanilla, and that Darkshore was involved somhow. Kind of like a mini Ashbringer rumour.
The stormwind vault had an entrance. If you tried to glitch you way into the closed stockade before cataclysm( The opposite on of stockade). I have been there on live servers. However there were no npc in the instance but a creepy loading image 😮
for those wondering on how much time it took to reach 60 in vanilla for a normal human being. i remember i reached 60 3-4months before TBC launched, spent roughly 8 days of playtime to 60. i didn't have the money for an epic mount when i reached 60. i played since day one, (i had multiple characters in the 30-40s before i decided what to play.)
At 2:10 blizzard actually made that place you see in the picture but it's not textured, colored and it's massive. Someone found it in vanilla alpha client. There's a video on TH-cam somewhere
I think the next expansion will be Undead based, Just makes sense to me. Blizz has left the Undeads alone for a while now, might be a good visual change from the Old Gods, Water stuff on The Broken Shore.
I understand that, but seeing that Blizz pulled Pandas on us from no where before, and the lich King has been acting sketchy, I could see them doing it. My main point was from Blizzard's view point, doing a undead based expansion would be story and visually interesting. An Expansion based on the Old Gods and Naga, would mostly be ruins and other similar stuff to what we saw on the broken Isles. I personally would love to see more freaky, Nightmare visuals, but I would also love to see updates and new models for Undeads.
I know, and I guess what I meant was it was made from almost nothing, if back in cata you told me pandaren would be the focus of the next expansion, I would have laughed. My point was that blizz can make an expansion out of very little lore.
I remember going into unfinished parts of the game in vanilla, exploring old Hyjal was a lot of fun, walljumping and such. Old Ironforge also comes to mind, untill they opened up the room to store Magni's diamond body. I also remember some instance portals that never went anywhere and then later were removed, such as the one in Stormwind. I don't have a problem with Blizzard removing content because of time/resource constrictions... that's just how game development goes. but for the love of the Light, I hate it when they remove content that breaks a storyline alltogether. Where a lore character just disappears or when a whole chain of events never goes anywhere. At the very least remove the entire questline so you don't leave people hanging. My biggest peeve however, is when they shove important story content into a book that you need to buy, in order to make sense of what is happening in the game.
Wasn't Black Temple originally on Hellfire Peninsula in Warcraft 3? Essentially where Hellfire Citadel is now? I'm guessing the Stormwind vault would have been that instance gate that was between Old Town and the Trade District.
Azshara Crater and Stormwind Vaults have not been in the game files for a *very* long time. Also, you can find the building from the Dragon Isle's concept art on Developer Island.
You are the ones making the games blizzard. If you set a date and we all look forward to it most of us will understand if you need to push back the release date for some stuff. because once we get into it we expect to me mesmerised. Not let down. You let us down when you drop awesome ideas.
Great video i love lore and wow content so its great to see someone covering vanilla content that was suppose to be in wow! hope you make more videos!!!
The best feature that was talked about was.. hero classes. at the time they wanted it to be an end game progression on your character, so a druid could become an arch druid of sorts, for example. it was eventually scrapped and they made the death knight a "hero class" and the only difference is they start at higher level :/
I really hope that after a while the classic servers introduce new content. I have seen a lot of people opposed to this, but you also have to be realistic. At some stage of the classic servers people will get bored, new content is needed to keep the subsciption count high enough for those servers to be feasible. I just hope they change up everything so that the classic feel of wow remains. So no LFD and LFR, no quest markers on your map, no easy leveling, no heirlooms, no neglecting of proffesions, no change to the way talents work. I hope they can do it this way in order for wow to remain the game it was in classic. I hope they dont start making it easy again. I just want classic + new content, that is the dream.
Great video, though I misread the title, haha. I thought it was "Things from Vanilla Cut" so like it would be showing things from release that aren't a thing nowadays.
I would bet quite a bit of money that the next expac is N'Zoth/Old Gods Redux.(Nya'Lotha). Just really seems like the most logical place for the story to go. Then again Warlords of Draenor came completely out of left field so, barring a repeat of what ultimately felt like a Filler Arc in the Warcraft story, N'Zoth is next. I guarantee we'll get a glimpse at the next expansion this Blizzcon and it'll be Old Gods. you heard it here.
also 17:00 ... quite funny how he talks about how boring and out of place the stormwind vault would be and how ridiculous it is to store up creatures to mighty to kill and then talks about wintergrasp and tollbarad instead of violet hold which is EXACTLY that concept and it did make it into the game twice
I've always thought that an entire expansion based around the emerald dream was probably a bit too much. I feel like it'd get stale pretty quickly, as if you were doing an expansion in a bigger version of Un'goro Crater. I do think that it'd go down really well if it was done like the firelands was though. Enter the dream, do some dailies, get rep, get rewards, do a huge raid with a massive end boss. Top stuff I think. But as you said, it's been done now so it's unlikely they'll do anything again.
Azshara was underused, and thank god. I would not have gotten my epic mount in vanilla without being (seemingly) the only person who knew you could fish Essence of Water from up to 5 pools every 2 hours or so. I was never poor again.
This is why I am a firm believer that BC was actually just a continuation of Vanilla. The majority of BC seems to have been originally planned to be Vanilla content.. so, I don't know about anyone else but: BC *is* Vanilla, just with a delayed release date.
Stormwind vault, where they would keep creatures they couldn't really kill? sounds like what would become Violet Hold. Which is something that, in my opinion, should have remained forgotten.
Great original video, glad to see you playing to your strengths again. I prefer this unique content to the usual blizz news that every other content maker copies and regurgitates.
4:43 Man I wish that wasn't the case. At least not all the time. Maybe we can take a break from the cosmic stuff after a while and focus on the other side of Azeroth for example. Kul'Tiras, Undermine and who knows what else. Great video!
Actually Karazhan was supposed to be a vanilla dungeon, however they hadn't figured out character or monster scale when he designed it so everything turned out much too big. Later in vanilla they figured it would work well as a raid but by then they were readying BC and just plunked it down there. AQ also has a similiar design story thats why its TOO BIG and needed mounts added.
I know it's been awhile since ya posted this but I remember there being a sign with and instance entrance for Mount Hyjal and the sign read "Under Construction" during tbc.
Hey Bell, you seem to have forgotten the profession woodcrafting that was cut when they scrapped the housing idea...was intended to craft staves, arrows and furniture....never made it past early beta. 'Woodworkers forgotten mallet' from MoP treasures was a reference to it.
Stormwind vault would have also been the only raid in a capital city. You can imagine the Horde player outcry from something like that, and it would have been reasonable to not like this.
Would the Stormwind vault been the thing behind the huge portal that was at the end of one of the Canals, behind a steel gate that you couldn't get through?
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03:33 Why are we flying by this pointless statue in Booty Bay? That's because inside pointless things, are treasure...
SephisisHD Let's begin!
Pointless Top 10: Bellular's head movements
Ahh, I see we have some fellow people of culture right here
Gentlemen! Let's broaden our minds!
Time is money friend!
3:36 Because inside pointless things are treasure.
> "Powerful creatures that couldn't be killed and kept in containment"
> "Bizarre to have in your capital city"
Tell that to Dalaran and the Violet Hold
Hayven my friend, you may have gone but your legacy continue.
thank you belluar
Hayven will live on in our memories, his channel and his legacy. His lore that not only opened eyes but should be added to any wow wiki-type page as a tribute to him.
Hayven wasn't just a kind guy who liked to share wow, but a scholar; a lore researcher of immense power and knowledge. Whatever wow has or will do; hayven will always be there in spirit and in memory. He IS the lore of warcraft. When ever someone looks up wow lore or content: Hayven lives.
He didnt deserve to die but he deserves to be remembered. R.I.P Fredrik
Fredrik Dunstrand was his real name.
gborgesbardi maybe the name of the video should be: a tribute to hayven games (*sob*)
Fun "fact": World of Warcraft was actually planned to run with content patches and not expansions! Thats why some of the BC content was planned for vanilla!
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That immortal vanilla realm in the sky recently gained one hell of a player. Rest easy, Hayven
The concept art for the dragon isles with the big nautilus thing was actually a unreachable and unfinished zone in the vanilla zone files. Only way to see it was with a very old file-viewer. It had a structure very similar to the concept art but nothing was really textured from what I remember way back then. I have no idea if it can still be found in the files somewhere. Back then we thought it was for a zone with the queen of the nagas.
Man, I had really hoped that they would have kept the skeleton of Archimonde, or at least a piece or two, around the tree. It would have been a fantastic nod to the zone, and what could come in Cataclysm.
When you go back and rewatch 2 years later and note Bell is on point Re: Nazjatar/N'Zoth
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Yup
The Raid that was in Stormwind, the gate (instance door) was actually visable up until ( Cat* maybe ) the instance door was between Trade district and Old Town, directions would be you leave trade towards old town, turn right instead of going over the bridge you walk around the "U" now at the wall at the bottom of the "U" was the instance door, which has been since taken out of the game itself.
if you play on an offline server for yourself you can actually go in using coordinates, the inside is identical to vanilla stockades
I remember the old Ironforge "tomb" type thing under the city. You could jump/glitch your way through the wall behind the throne, which lead to a ramp leading down to a floating island/platform hovering above a giant pool of lava. My old guild would meet down there all the time. :)
In lore the whisps surrounded Archimonde and caused a giant explosion. The way he's just bones in the vanilla version, however, implies that the whisps consumed him like Piranha.
"A group of whisps can strip the skin off an Eredar Lord in under a minute."
There was a raid portal in original Hyjal, rumors were it would be another Ony style raid featuring Deathwing. Also in the northwest mountains of Aszhara there was another raid portal hidden behind rocks, when you got close the area tag would read Timbermaw hold (if memory serves)
"highly anticipated n'zoth expansion" ....well that didnt age well
That "Stormwind vault thing" sounded a lot like Violet Hold to me. Which of course made me chuckle a bit when you said "I can't see this being interesting". I don't think I've met anyone that actually ENJOYS running Violet Hold (either in Wrath or Legion).
Love these types of videos!! Would love to see more! :)
Thanks :D We're working on a few! Features that didnt make it into the game (Path of the Titans / survival skills etc) & places we haven't been to yet (northern islands/Dragon Isles, Kul'tiras, etc etc).
BellularGaming Awesome!
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I do remember that there was a large raid portal locked behind a large metal gate in the Stormwind Canal area I wonder if that was going to be the raid that never was..
That portal was going to be used for the phased player housing they never implemented.
Ahah, was just about to say that. Never intended to be a raid. I wonder what the Orgrimmar equivalent was, if there was one?
@Aklin Ah so that is what it was for, always wondered what it was intended for it..
They pretended to do it with the Garrison feature... bleh. Even saying the name gives me wartime flashbacks.
supposedly yes, some kinda prison like the stockade, but as high level content. thats all i read back in the day.
"We wouldn't want an entire expansion to be green."
Proceeds to make an entire expansion blue and white with snow and ice :(
Yeah but no one likes green, and hey that's not one, but TWO colors!
Well I mean they did do WoD which was pretty much all green lava so....;p
@@izicial7469 the only zone in wod with green lava was tanaan, and that wasn't even there at launch. the real problem with WoD was too much orcs, and not much else. that's why they switched direction in middle of the production, and that resulted with tons of scrapped and unfinished content and bad story.
Well I'm bored so visiting some videos I havent seen before. But pretty much all of legion was green after a while.
Alejandro De Rienosa It was pretty much all green anyways
Basically they wanted to build vanilla, tbc and wotlk in ONE GAME.
Yet they decide quality > quantity
The more cynical way to look at it is that basically all the creativity and success of the game was there early on, and all that happened afterwards was picking up table scraps.
Basically everything good about the game was seeded during its original development.
From what I've heard, Karazhan was supposed to be the raid after Naxxaramas, and people who had the staff would be required to gain access to the raid. But Naxxaramas ended up being too difficult for most of the player base, so they decided to make a quest chain involving Khadgar and Dalaran to open Karazhan, but they ended up not finishing Karazhan, Dalaran, or Hellfire Pennisula (which was apparently suppose to release alongside Karazhan), and instead migrated those ideas over to The Burning Crusade, with the exception of Dalaran, because why include Dalaran when you'll likely be spending all your time in Outlands. Since the staff was tied to older content, they decided to continue with the Khadgar plan and just put him in Outlands. Dalaran would later be finished and included in Wrath of the Lich King, the following expansion.
Is Bell that kid Peta from hunger games?
blech71 lmaoooo
blech71 BRUHHHH
blech71 Pita>Peta>PeTA
Holy shit!
Can do you one for TBC and Wrath?
D1 oh yes please!!
I don't know, but from my perspective everything planned for tbc and warth was pretty much already planned for vanilla. And that also explain why the game ramp up on subs up to wrath and sinked down after it.
D1 He could do one for WoD but honestly he could just as easily say that only the Garrison and Khadgar weren't removed. lol
Lizbeth a TH-camr called MadSeason already did the cut stuff from the expansions
The Gundrak raid and Azjol-Nerub were cut from Wrath. Along with aerial combat and the dance studio. Wrath is when content started to get cut (not unlike the things he discussed for vanilla which did end up being in the game). Overall I can see that Blizzard's intention for the game were to just continue adding patches to vanilla wow but they realized that they would receive far less revenue if they didn't just require an expansion to play such content.
Kezan is one of my favorite places. I literally always have a starting goblin on Kezan just to go there and see it and see Gallywix (who is one of my top ten characters in WoW). Ive been writing a deep and long story on an expansion based on the Island of Kezan. in which there are four to give surface zones, then possibly up to two underground zones one of them being ofcourse, Undermine. On top of that there are other bits and quips ive been working on. regardless all of this to say, Kezan is awesome and has lots of potential.
Atiesh as a quest to obtain player housing for a guilds would have been epic. Satisfying a need but making a very high hurdle to clear... Atiesh Quest could develop a whole "guild Instance" where members could have rooms or houses? The top guild mage gets the single copy per guild allowed....
Emerald dream could have been leveraged into the stronghold of the Earthen Ring, a druid anchored 3rd faction? Time and Planar travel being their main function. Hyjal would be the gateway zone.
Just to add; In Vanilla Karazhan was supposed to be a part of the zone it is in. Karazhan was much larger in alpha and it was supposed to be this grand abandoned tower that players would do quest inside and such. There was however supposed to be raid instance in the basement of Karazhan, this raid instance was supposed to give some kind of item that allowed players to open the Dark Portal once on each server, once the portal was opened the entire server could enter the portal and do the stuffs in Hellfire Peninsula, while there Hellfire Citadel was supposed to be the raid in Hellfire Peninsula, which would eventually link and give players on the server access to Northrend. All this was planned for level 60, but I guess the opening of AQ and the strain it did on servers back then played a huge part in not taking WoW in that direction.
for number 1 the stormwind vault as u called it. it was speculated that the entrance was at the south east of stormwind city thru a big gate and it was a portal to an area for player housing project that was scrapped so early on in development before alpha but the remenants of it were still there and hayven even made a vid about it.
Love these vids. Good to see someone carrying the torch for Hayven. Keep it up!
You forgot to add hero classes; the initial plan was that all the original 8 classes could branch off to 2 advanced or hero classes at a certain lvl (lvl 30 or 40 I think).
Ultimately, most if not all of these things were scrapped because Blizzard decided to go through the Publisher route (Vivendi back then, now Activision) and like all publishers... wanted a quicker development schedule. Because of this, most of the Blizzard North team (the team who originally conceived most of these concepts) left the core company because they weren't in favor of being bought out by Vivendi.
I just gotta say that it doesn't even matter what you're talking about, I just put on one of your videos in the background while I play WoW. You have such a pleasant voice c:
These videos are really really good and informative. Makes me go back in memory to the days when I was a very active WoW-player. Thank you for your contributions to the community and making me take a trip down memory lane :) Keep up the good work!
Atiesh was the original KEY(attunement) to hypothetical vanilla Karazahn. They even kept the ability for the gate to automatically open when someone who possesses the staff approaches the door.
it was similar to the guild effort to spark the AQ Opening event, except that to get into Karazhan you'd need to conquer Naxx and build at least 1 Atiesh to open the door. (once you got inside you could get the FP to the top and Enter via that entrance instead).
I don't know why, but the original Hellfire Penn. reminds me of the Warcraft movie, maybe because it was filled with more hills and mountains like the movie version was?
Hayven was going to look into the Mt. Hyjal raid months ago when I suggested it to him, noting to him about the "other half" of the raid that was blocked by the invisible wall. I'm assuming this was the same Hyjal you couldn't access in the open world too. I felt honored that he acknowledged the idea, it would have been a fun vid to see :D
I remember reading about the second Stormwind dungeon/raid somewhere and that's what they instance portal was for over by Old Town. There was something about the clock tower too over in the canals, it has a full interior and what looks like stairs, but it has since been closed up completely. Spooky things happening in Stormwind.
If you watch the behind the scenes DVD that came with the collector's edition it's mentioned that outland was suppose to be opened in Vanilla after the two factions gathered enough resources and there were "uber bosses" behind it.
Very interesting video, and a great way to honour Hayven
The emerald dream as a druidic location was certainly addressed in Legion but that idea of it as a half-formed world with a lot of nods towards game development I think could still be explored in a future titan-related expansion. Perhaps to reverse horrific damage done to the planet we have to actually go into the emerald dream and load a backup of the continent.
_It wouldn't be weirder than WoD._
11: A paladin class mechanic that was both engaging and actually useful.
Honestly, seals were great and all, but they needed a huge overhaul.
What we didn't need was Paladins just being holy rogues....
Great video mate!
One thing I always wondered back in vanilla was what they were going to use that one area in the Wetlands for. Where all the high level red dragons were. And the big gates built into the mountains and stuff. I always figured that was going to be a raid instance at some point. Or that like you would find Alexastrasza in there somewhere. I guess it turned out that the area was a placeholder of sorts for Grim Batol, which showed up in Cataclysm.
I also remember looking around for where Quel'Thalas was going to be in the plaguelands back in vanilla too. I knew about the lore, I knew where it should've been and I remember mountain-walking trying to get into maybe a secret area to see if it was in development behind an invisible wall or something lol. Man, that was back in vanilla where we had no idea what was coming or if there were any secrets to find like that. The sense of mystery was huge.
Interesting. I remember seeing two areas set aside - one with Horde emblems and one with Alliance emblems and always wondered about that. Makes sense now. Thanks for going over this.
Bellular Gaming taking up the mantle of cut content. I like your face, your voice, your demeanor and your videos are actually informative.
Thank you! I love these kind of videos.
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2:20 i notice this concept art from the Dopefish exploration videos back in the day, they had started to design a temple like building with elevated stairways just like this, and he was running around it untextured
I starred watching the blozzcon 2007 raids and dungeons panel, and wow... just wow. Just from the beginning wow. I always imagined the devs as theory crafters. I'll be sure to watch the rest of it tmrw night. Great vid.
There was a time the Duskwood zone was supposed to function similar to how the last part of the Vault of the Wardens Dungeon works, requiring some sort of light scource for you in order to attack enemies. That's the reason NPC guards in Duskwood would carry around torches on their patrols (well aside from the logical reason that duskwood is just dark).
So, few more I remember, that got implemented later or after Cataclysm:
- The airfield above Ironforge
- Old ironforge
- The area east of Wetlands, which post-sundering became Twilight Highlands
- And may be Uldum....
Mr. Bellurlar, love your work mate. It's a damn shame you couldn't do the questing mod you guys were working on I was really excited for that, in any case, keep up the great work
That stormwind insance is called stormwind vaults , it has a working instance portal and even got its own loading screen when they put them in for each instance.
Just to add that in war3 you could detonate wisps to kill summons. archimonde was a summon, so thousands of wisps was literally the best way to go
i would say 90% of the reason they scrapped the SW raid is the fact that they didn't have a horde one ready
Fun fact about Atiesh: If you attack Shade of Aran with it equipped, Aran freaks out and demands to know if Medivh sent you.
Not only ingame files when it comes to the vault or well that was true in the past you could find this simillar entrance thing like stockades but was blocked off with a closed gate and you could see the green portal thing they use for raids behind it.
One cool thing that never made vanilla was Dwarf mages. There were dwarf NPC's that were mages and the original handbook that came with the physical copy of vanilla said dwarves could be mages, but evidently they were cut somewhere between the printing of the booklets and the final version of the game.
It's kind of weird no one ever talks about Twin Blades of Azzinoth (Pre TBC) It was basically an early version of Illidans Warglaives, that were GM items. Red quality level as far as I remember. Above legendaries. There were rumours that those were somehow obtainable as well in the early stages of vanilla, and that Darkshore was involved somhow. Kind of like a mini Ashbringer rumour.
The stormwind vault had an entrance. If you tried to glitch you way into the closed stockade before cataclysm( The opposite on of stockade).
I have been there on live servers.
However there were no npc in the instance but a creepy loading image 😮
for those wondering on how much time it took to reach 60 in vanilla for a normal human being. i remember i reached 60 3-4months before TBC launched, spent roughly 8 days of playtime to 60. i didn't have the money for an epic mount when i reached 60. i played since day one, (i had multiple characters in the 30-40s before i decided what to play.)
Azshara is an underused concept, even as a battleground, questing zone, raid or character.
Thank you so much, you feel now with this videos void after Hayven passed away... 10/10 content
I remember "Captain Placeholder" from back before they had the ships working, he just teleported you between the continents.
I believe the carcass with the structure on it on the dragon isles was more of a nautilus than an octopus.
That Dragon Isle concept art was beautiful, I want content around that just based on the art.
At 2:10 blizzard actually made that place you see in the picture but it's not textured, colored and it's massive. Someone found it in vanilla alpha client. There's a video on TH-cam somewhere
I think the next expansion will be Undead based, Just makes sense to me. Blizz has left the Undeads alone for a while now, might be a good visual change from the Old Gods, Water stuff on The Broken Shore.
Jojo Rabaut old gods would make sense in the story
I understand that, but seeing that Blizz pulled Pandas on us from no where before, and the lich King has been acting sketchy, I could see them doing it. My main point was from Blizzard's view point, doing a undead based expansion would be story and visually interesting. An Expansion based on the Old Gods and Naga, would mostly be ruins and other similar stuff to what we saw on the broken Isles. I personally would love to see more freaky, Nightmare visuals, but I would also love to see updates and new models for Undeads.
Jojo Rabaut There were pandaren and Chen stormstout in wc3 tho
I know, and I guess what I meant was it was made from almost nothing, if back in cata you told me pandaren would be the focus of the next expansion, I would have laughed. My point was that blizz can make an expansion out of very little lore.
I'd like to see the gnomes or kalimdor tauren take the spotlight one day
You forgot Gilijim Isle and Isle of Doctor Lapidis, Quel'Thalas (North of Stratholme), Other Stormwind Stockades (the other castle)
I remember going into unfinished parts of the game in vanilla, exploring old Hyjal was a lot of fun, walljumping and such. Old Ironforge also comes to mind, untill they opened up the room to store Magni's diamond body. I also remember some instance portals that never went anywhere and then later were removed, such as the one in Stormwind.
I don't have a problem with Blizzard removing content because of time/resource constrictions... that's just how game development goes. but for the love of the Light, I hate it when they remove content that breaks a storyline alltogether. Where a lore character just disappears or when a whole chain of events never goes anywhere. At the very least remove the entire questline so you don't leave people hanging.
My biggest peeve however, is when they shove important story content into a book that you need to buy, in order to make sense of what is happening in the game.
Wasn't Black Temple originally on Hellfire Peninsula in Warcraft 3? Essentially where Hellfire Citadel is now? I'm guessing the Stormwind vault would have been that instance gate that was between Old Town and the Trade District.
Azshara Crater and Stormwind Vaults have not been in the game files for a *very* long time. Also, you can find the building from the Dragon Isle's concept art on Developer Island.
They had a plan where people would use the CoT to go to the Black Morass to attune for outlands, and it was removed to become a new expansion
You are the ones making the games blizzard. If you set a date and we all look forward to it most of us will understand if you need to push back the release date for some stuff. because once we get into it we expect to me mesmerised. Not let down. You let us down when you drop awesome ideas.
Very well made video, love the research and edit work you guys put into it!
i swear for like 6 years i wondered what they were gonna do with the other SW instance, before finally realizing it would never become anything
They did do the Stormwind Vaults, its called Violet Hold
Great video i love lore and wow content so its great to see someone covering vanilla content that was suppose to be in wow! hope you make more videos!!!
The best feature that was talked about was.. hero classes. at the time they wanted it to be an end game progression on your character, so a druid could become an arch druid of sorts, for example. it was eventually scrapped and they made the death knight a "hero class" and the only difference is they start at higher level :/
I really hope that after a while the classic servers introduce new content. I have seen a lot of people opposed to this, but you also have to be realistic. At some stage of the classic servers people will get bored, new content is needed to keep the subsciption count high enough for those servers to be feasible. I just hope they change up everything so that the classic feel of wow remains.
So no LFD and LFR, no quest markers on your map, no easy leveling, no heirlooms, no neglecting of proffesions, no change to the way talents work. I hope they can do it this way in order for wow to remain the game it was in classic. I hope they dont start making it easy again. I just want classic + new content, that is the dream.
Dennisbaily Fun Fact: Pretty much everyone uses Questie in Classic, you probably use Questie
Great video, though I misread the title, haha. I thought it was "Things from Vanilla Cut" so like it would be showing things from release that aren't a thing nowadays.
I would bet quite a bit of money that the next expac is N'Zoth/Old Gods Redux.(Nya'Lotha). Just really seems like the most logical place for the story to go. Then again Warlords of Draenor came completely out of left field so, barring a repeat of what ultimately felt like a Filler Arc in the Warcraft story, N'Zoth is next. I guarantee we'll get a glimpse at the next expansion this Blizzcon and it'll be Old Gods. you heard it here.
also 17:00 ... quite funny how he talks about how boring and out of place the stormwind vault would be and how ridiculous it is to store up creatures to mighty to kill and then talks about wintergrasp and tollbarad instead of violet hold which is EXACTLY that concept and it did make it into the game twice
I've always thought that an entire expansion based around the emerald dream was probably a bit too much. I feel like it'd get stale pretty quickly, as if you were doing an expansion in a bigger version of Un'goro Crater. I do think that it'd go down really well if it was done like the firelands was though. Enter the dream, do some dailies, get rep, get rewards, do a huge raid with a massive end boss. Top stuff I think. But as you said, it's been done now so it's unlikely they'll do anything again.
Old Kharazhan was probably the coolest and creepiest part, especially if you included the dungeons. I missed glitching into these areas to explore.
I have news for you that massive structure that is carved it's not a massive Octopus but a massive Squid.
Bellular you're really awesome man, well informed, and very likable. Keep it up!
Azshara was underused, and thank god. I would not have gotten my epic mount in vanilla without being (seemingly) the only person who knew you could fish Essence of Water from up to 5 pools every 2 hours or so. I was never poor again.
Honorable mention
Beneath // behind deadmines
more or less hidden spots // dev areas than cut content tho.
This is why I am a firm believer that BC was actually just a continuation of Vanilla. The majority of BC seems to have been originally planned to be Vanilla content.. so, I don't know about anyone else but: BC *is* Vanilla, just with a delayed release date.
I think its safe to say waiting for the Dragon Isles paid off, instead of a raid we got an awesome continent.
Stormwind vault, where they would keep creatures they couldn't really kill?
sounds like what would become Violet Hold.
Which is something that, in my opinion, should have remained forgotten.
"Farming mats like we just don't do today"
Uhhhh... really man?
Very interesting and cool!
Though I do wish they had included the Black Temple thing if only to hopefully reduce the chances of Illidan coming back XD
Great original video, glad to see you playing to your strengths again. I prefer this unique content to the usual blizz news that every other content maker copies and regurgitates.
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Man I wish that wasn't the case. At least not all the time. Maybe we can take a break from the cosmic stuff after a while and focus on the other side of Azeroth for example. Kul'Tiras, Undermine and who knows what else.
Great video!
Actually Karazhan was supposed to be a vanilla dungeon, however they hadn't figured out character or monster scale when he designed it so everything turned out much too big. Later in vanilla they figured it would work well as a raid but by then they were readying BC and just plunked it down there. AQ also has a similiar design story thats why its TOO BIG and needed mounts added.
I know it's been awhile since ya posted this but I remember there being a sign with and instance entrance for Mount Hyjal and the sign read "Under Construction" during tbc.
Hey Bell, you seem to have forgotten the profession woodcrafting that was cut when they scrapped the housing idea...was intended to craft staves, arrows and furniture....never made it past early beta. 'Woodworkers forgotten mallet' from MoP treasures was a reference to it.
Stormwind vault would have also been the only raid in a capital city. You can imagine the Horde player outcry from something like that, and it would have been reasonable to not like this.
In the dev island there is the giant octopus sculpture you can see like the art of dragons isles
Jesus, that gated instance in SW was so so tempting back in the day ;-;
Emerald Dream is basically Plato's idea of meta physics
Perhaps the original idea for Stormwind Vault inspired the Violet Hold instance.
If a few of these were implemented into Fresh Classic it would become a much better game.
Would the Stormwind vault been the thing behind the huge portal that was at the end of one of the Canals, behind a steel gate that you couldn't get through?