I predicted the future! - GRAID Graphics Accelerated Storage

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    NVMe storage is blisteringly fast but has lacked a high-performing RAID solution for a long time. Today that may be changing with GRAID's new SupremeRAID GPU accelerated NVMe RAID solution that promises to deliver over 100GB/s of sequential read performance with next to no CPU usage. Let's see if it's up to snuff.
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  • @LinusTechTips
    @LinusTechTips  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1735

    Small note for around 8:34: The pieces of data striped across the array in a RAID0 configuration are typically a power of 2 bytes, not individual bits. A common strip size (the piece of data put onto each drive in a stripe) is 16KB, but you can usually adjust it to be bigger or smaller depending on your use case.

    • @StaticZXC
      @StaticZXC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      First, love you LTT

    • @fireballfurby
      @fireballfurby 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ok

    • @astronemir
      @astronemir 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Now how am I supposed to “Well Achtually” correct people in the comments??

    • @ItsQualitycontent
      @ItsQualitycontent 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I have to know. Does he actually accidentally drop stuff or does he do it for show these days

    • @Skibidi_Fortnite11
      @Skibidi_Fortnite11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Were is scrapyard wars

  • @snazzy
    @snazzy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5499

    I want to believe Linus dropping stuff is a bit now, but deep down, I know it’s real.

    • @Gryever12
      @Gryever12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      seriously lol.

    • @andrew6239
      @andrew6239 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Jesus Christ please stop the cringe

    • @zackthompson9914
      @zackthompson9914 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Honestly it's both

    • @ulmekuubis
      @ulmekuubis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Linus is just like me -> clumsy 😆

    • @cleanlens
      @cleanlens 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      linus is a bit energetic

  • @thedorkequine7517
    @thedorkequine7517 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3488

    Linus almost dropping it in the first two minutes, just classic.

    • @user-nt5pl3zn4u
      @user-nt5pl3zn4u 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      more like first 30 seconds. It's Linus we're talking about.

    • @lucassadik
      @lucassadik 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      lol linus is what we're talking about now?

    • @DavidHernandez-ig2ju
      @DavidHernandez-ig2ju 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Just business as usual

    • @karehaqt
      @karehaqt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Linus has worse hand/eye coordination than my grandma who has Parkinsons.

    • @TennSeven
      @TennSeven 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Linus dropping things and his lame segues into into sponsor and LTT Store shilling. Name a more iconic duo.

  • @maxvaessen
    @maxvaessen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The vibe you guys were in during the filming of this episode made it really enjoying to watch. more of this!

  • @leon11235
    @leon11235 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Why you're confused with RAID5 results? Here's some points to consider.
    1. To calculate parity it's required to send data to and from GPU, or calculate with CPU. It's a possible bottleneck.
    2. Was our array in optimal state before tests? It should calculate parity data(process called build/rebuild/resync) before going to optimal state. That can limit performance too, and it explains 100% GPU usage without host I/O.

  • @montecrysto33
    @montecrysto33 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1608

    Fun facts: RAID originally meant "Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks", but "inexpensive" didn't sell as well as "independant"

    • @Kamel419
      @Kamel419 2 ปีที่แล้ว +117

      I've never heard the "independent" variant until now. I'm quite sure this is another case of enough people saying it wrong that they began accepting both. This was definitely a question on my A+ exam

    • @stacksmasherninja7266
      @stacksmasherninja7266 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      I've never heard of inexpensive tbh

    • @Safetytrousers
      @Safetytrousers 2 ปีที่แล้ว +100

      The term "RAID" was invented by David Patterson, Garth A. Gibson, and Randy Katz at the University of California, Berkeley in 1987. In their June 1988 paper "A Case for Redundant Arrays of Inexpensive Disks (RAID)"...Industry manufacturers later redefined the RAID acronym to stand for "redundant array of independent disks"
      Wiki

    • @imadecoy.
      @imadecoy. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      And LTT messed it up by writing "Discs"

    • @alangarde2928
      @alangarde2928 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Thankyou! I had a moment where I doubted myself as I thought have I been saying it wrong all this time? Turns out I'm just old instead.

  • @DigitalJedi
    @DigitalJedi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1939

    GPU is going to start standing for "general processing unit" before long. They do physics, they do math and hashing, they do rendering and texture mapping, and now they are freaking hardware controllers too!

    • @ipanesm
      @ipanesm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      You know what? Thats pretty cool

    • @tbuk8350
      @tbuk8350 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      Yeah, like how GPUs being incredibly fast and having stupidly fast memory that the processor can directly access from less than an inch away happened to be perfect for running ML tasks at fast speeds.

    • @liam9393
      @liam9393 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Applications beyond graphics....now the language is "accelerator" as GPU seems outdated/limited usage.

    • @Klokopf52
      @Klokopf52 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      That's kind of what Xeon Phi was for. Parallel processing taken to the max. I cast my vote for PPU

    • @ninabeer4959
      @ninabeer4959 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      for some reason i read harrasing and hashing...

  • @stevenclark2188
    @stevenclark2188 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    7:07 12v 7a, probably sounds like a fighter jet with the afterburners on, of COURSE it's made by Delta. Their little 60mm monsters and the sound they made is part of why we started getting 80mm and then 120mm CPU coolers.

    • @jrcowboy1099
      @jrcowboy1099 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      HOLY... 84W?!?! WOW! It need a lot of that power to cool itself!

    • @ujiltromm7358
      @ujiltromm7358 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@jrcowboy1099 It's not a piece of silicon which almost entirely dissipates its power input as waste heat. It's an electric motor showing an efficiency above 95%. Of those 84W, maybe 5 are converted to heat, the rest moves air. A LOT of air.

    • @jrcowboy1099
      @jrcowboy1099 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ujiltromm7358 Lol, yeah you're right, I guess I was apparently brain dead when I wrote that.

  • @bencove717
    @bencove717 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love these videos, so cool!! Aslo explaining everything that is happening and how is fantastic, even if you don't really understand, linus and team will talk it through so it's understandable to everyone, great job 👍🏻

  • @bobbygetsbanned6049
    @bobbygetsbanned6049 2 ปีที่แล้ว +297

    As someone who works in enterprise tech, I enjoy these videos significantly more than 70+ slide power points from our engineers.

    • @thedude4840
      @thedude4840 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Oh you poor soul. If there’s nothing corps love more than profit it’s PowerPoints.

  • @wap300
    @wap300 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1200

    Linus says "CPUs are fricking expensive" in 2022 while literally waving a GPU in his hand. The audacity

    • @RapidWildFire
      @RapidWildFire 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Haha

    • @satakrionkryptomortis
      @satakrionkryptomortis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      we are all clear that he speaks about CPUs that are like 2 3090ti with enough money left to buy a descend car second hand.

    • @cyborgmike9210
      @cyborgmike9210 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@satakrionkryptomortis yup. And licenses are significant in VM infrastructure cost measured per CPU core.

    • @sputnik13
      @sputnik13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Funny comment, but yeah enterprises pay way more for software licenses than for hardware, oracle, esxi, etc can easily become 100s of thousands or millions a year and are priced per socket or per core

    • @Vatharian
      @Vatharian 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      pair of Epyc 75F3 cost over $12k, pair of Xeon 8380HL will drain you of 28k Euro. And you still can't buy 5950X for less than a kidney - if you find one, that is.
      Edit: It may depend on use case, but usually RAM becomes the biggest money sink, unless you are fine with dropping 64 GB in a dual socket server.

  • @lubu602
    @lubu602 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i love whenever you guys work on server stuff. just absolutely top-tier stuff

  • @moremaddness
    @moremaddness 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love these server tech videos! Keep them coming guys!!!

  • @TheOriginalNCDV
    @TheOriginalNCDV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +852

    I remember when a "T1000" was something else completely different. And deadly. But not good with extreme temperatures...

    • @Felipemelazzi
      @Felipemelazzi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      That's a nice Terminator reference you've got there👌

    • @nathanlowery1141
      @nathanlowery1141 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Wonder if sky net used these

    • @durururururururu
      @durururururururu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@nathanlowery1141 Skynet is a LTE internet service provided by Skytel telecommunications company in Mongolia.

    • @muneshify
      @muneshify 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You just made me laugh harder than I should, office mates looking at me having a geek attack

    • @fajaradi1223
      @fajaradi1223 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      He'll be back

  • @mkusanagi
    @mkusanagi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    These are my favorite types of videos on this channel. Crazy stuff, thanks

  • @franksinatra2530
    @franksinatra2530 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved the more technical aspects of this video :D

  • @nathanfife2890
    @nathanfife2890 2 ปีที่แล้ว +249

    I like the videos where Jake does cool stuff and Linus just watches and reacts.

  • @mazgazine1
    @mazgazine1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +288

    Its really neat when they do tests on stuff for their studio, that they ACTUALLY USE. Like the investment in the stuff isn't wasted, and the reaction is genuine to the performance to the point they they would definitely use/not use a thing is nice.

    • @Hjorth87
      @Hjorth87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I'm pretty sure they often have to return some of the more sophisticated nicknacks they show off. They directly talked about it when they played around with that petabyte of nvmes.

    • @fl4shbangz
      @fl4shbangz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Linus said on the WAN show they would have to return most of the stuff for this project

    • @rukia4473
      @rukia4473 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Please read my name💕

    • @luijo633
      @luijo633 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, i know right? like when Linus was so happy with the Framework laptop that he fraking bought it on cammera lol

  • @Oriansenshi
    @Oriansenshi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know any of the computing stuff that he was talking about in this episode, but I just enjoy watching linus get excited about stuff. It brightens my day.

  • @emt56399
    @emt56399 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im exited to see the next video on this.
    Very exciting results

  • @Hopgop1
    @Hopgop1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +239

    Killing the videos lately, been great content, love Alex and Jake's hosting/co-hosting.

    • @ShadowLinkxMaster
      @ShadowLinkxMaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Did they recently stop using the intros though? I could’ve sworn I hadn’t seen it on another recent upload.

    • @scottyvan
      @scottyvan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Right? These two together are electric

  • @MasterJack2
    @MasterJack2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +418

    Lately Jake has been very good on camera, he got a lot better since 1-2 years ago when he was no good at all, to the point when I remember Linus telling the viewers and i am paraphrasing "I promise Jake is very good at what he does". Now we see he is knowledgeable and he manages to be entertaining too.

    • @Shadowcast140
      @Shadowcast140 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      he would be even better on camera if he eliminated the pedostache

    • @TimmyTurner421
      @TimmyTurner421 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      @@Shadowcast140 your momma loves it though

    • @DerrickRG
      @DerrickRG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      He's finally filling the role that Luke had on camera.

    • @Igorrr3k
      @Igorrr3k 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I remember the "Jake needs a sack" phase but he's massively stepped up his game, it's amazing to see!

    • @tylernestor2431
      @tylernestor2431 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I'd love to see him healthy!

  • @hiltonvusi7483
    @hiltonvusi7483 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just bumped into one today and I can't believe that I am learning more about it today(all in the same day)

  • @alecdonaldson6272
    @alecdonaldson6272 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    For a few minutes of this video, the server fan tone fit well with the key of the background music like a droning common tone. Enough that it distracted me while they were talking

  • @IsaacWH
    @IsaacWH 2 ปีที่แล้ว +235

    30 secs in and Linus's already dropping the thing. Legend.

    • @bustex1
      @bustex1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What?

    • @BillyBonesYT
      @BillyBonesYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bustex1 what do you mean "what?" just read it again

    • @bustex1
      @bustex1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@BillyBonesYT read it and watched the first 30 seconds five times. Happened at like 34 second mark not first 30 seconds. What.

    • @athe5217
      @athe5217 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He's just too good. Somebody stop this man

    • @bigo975
      @bigo975 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Clumsy=Linus

  • @guspaz
    @guspaz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +333

    LTT: We just had a massive storage failure where data checksums were critical to recovery.
    Also LTT: Let's switch to this new RAID system that has no data checksums!

    • @88porpoise
      @88porpoise 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Well the server that had the issues would have a completely different use case than this server.
      The failure was on a long term archival storage server using HDDs. This type of server would be used for short term storage of ongoing work on SSDs.
      So, what they are discussing here uses more reliable equipment in a situation where any error would almost certainly be detected extremely quickly and relies on high transfer speeds and much more expensive storage.

    • @konzo5942
      @konzo5942 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      this is block level only, so use a checksumming filesystem? a bit unfair to compare a filesystem to a raid only software.

    • @kommentator1157
      @kommentator1157 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@konzo5942 The nice thing about zfs (and btrfs) is that they can detect corruption within raid pools and AUTOMATICALLY CORRECT it. That probably won't work with this setup as everything is exposed as one single drive. You will know something failed, but not which copy is correct and you won't be able to restore it.

    • @konzo5942
      @konzo5942 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@kommentator1157 a purely filesystem software that does checksumming is going to work to correct bit rot irrespective of the underlying hardware. Also it's less of an issue with SSDs which this is only going to be used for.

    • @Momi_V
      @Momi_V 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@konzo5942 not really. This solution (like most raid only systems) presents the pool as a single logical disk. The filesystem could do checksumming and tell you something is wrong, but I doesn't have the necessary information to correct it. This solution only uses the parity data if there is a read error, regardless of whether the data from a particular drive is correct, because the raid abstraction does not utilize checksumming. Wendel from L1 techs was able to corrupt the data easily during his tests (by inserting a discrepancy on one drive to simulate the random changes to the saved values due to bitrot) and because the drive didn't report an error it was not detected. ZFS on the other hand caught and corrected the same scenario. I agree this is not a huge issue for short term live data, but if there are no protections, such discrepancies could find their way into the backups and archives because they were not detected/corrected

  • @iTzBrillianTFX
    @iTzBrillianTFX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You just gotta love Jake's laugh - even if he remembers me to the grumpy Jake of Two and a half men (8. Seasons). 🤭

  • @TheOriginalFaxon
    @TheOriginalFaxon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    it makes me really happy that these are exactly the same as GPUs, because that means that A: The software could run on ANY gpu, and B: you can use these cards AS FUCKING GPUS if needed, meaning they won't go to waste if you no longer need them for running a RAID with. No doubt you'll need some kind of hack because of the license thing, but yea that's wild lol

    • @jettdragon3337
      @jettdragon3337 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wonder if you could use it as a basic display output at the same time.

    • @ViciousTuna2012
      @ViciousTuna2012 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It would work the other way around. These are older GPUs. It's more likely that industry would repurpose existing but outdated GPUs to use for this application, instead of what you described.

    • @wayland7150
      @wayland7150 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mining only GPUs perhaps. Nvidia's thing is CUDA, I expect if you can run CUDA code then you can run this RAID thing.

    • @curvingfyre6810
      @curvingfyre6810 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ViciousTuna2012 god I hope so lol, then I might actually be able to access this technology within my lifetime. With how the setup is described, it makes me wonder just how much processing and bus bandwidth you really need for this. Presumably memory is a factor, but for simple user-oriented tasks, you legit do not need 100gb a second for *anything*. I wonder how this would interact with different solid state tech like Optane and optane hybrid. You might be able to blow the price, capacity, features, and performance of the top end raw pcie drives on the market using an old junker display processor, and 2-5 consumer optane hybrid m.2s. Of course adapters to fill that many slots may ramp up costs prohibitively. Pcie bifurcation and slot adaptation is way more expensive than it should be.

    • @ViciousTuna2012
      @ViciousTuna2012 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@curvingfyre6810 I wouldn't think of this in terms of user-oriented speed requirements. This tech is going to be most useful for server applications, which will be able to utilize that level of bandwidth (100GB/s).

  • @tibr
    @tibr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +559

    I wonder if this would be possible to do with any GPU with custom firmware. Would be a cool purpose for spare GPUs...

    • @635574
      @635574 2 ปีที่แล้ว +115

      In b4 nvidia makes this a software feature and obsoletes this thing. Probably doesn't even need to buy them to kill them.

    • @firefly2472
      @firefly2472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +80

      Spare gpu's.
      HOW DARE YOUUUUUUU

    • @doggo_woo
      @doggo_woo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      @@firefly2472 I'm sure they're talking about 10 year old cards

    • @firefly2472
      @firefly2472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@doggo_woo I know :)
      Have a few myself.
      And no, not gonna sell them :p

    • @doggo_woo
      @doggo_woo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@firefly2472 Gotta collect em all lol

  • @HapticNoise
    @HapticNoise 2 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    Yeahhhh gonna need you guys to either spoof or secure a license for that big boy card to see what would happen. That would be insane lol

  • @leetebbens8858
    @leetebbens8858 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Jake really has a similar combination of knowledge and charisma that made Linus so popular and enjoyable to watch.

    • @alexn78666
      @alexn78666 ปีที่แล้ว

      except he has some personality traits that are.. fairly annoying imo. hard to put words to it, but I'd have to disagree on the charisma part. he comes across as a smug know-it-all who likes to tell people how much he knows because he thinks it's impressive. unlike Linus who does it because he genuinely wants other people to learn. not always, just most of the time.

  • @dumaneduard
    @dumaneduard 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These banter videos are the best videos :)

  • @UTubeVSMechaGodzilla
    @UTubeVSMechaGodzilla 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    As a tech geek it always makes me smile how giddy they are when talking about extraordinary hardware / software solutions. 😄

  • @ayen0nymous
    @ayen0nymous 2 ปีที่แล้ว +136

    I kinda had a feeling this man was able to look into the future.

    • @thegamera6963
      @thegamera6963 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yep

    • @WayStedYou
      @WayStedYou 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Why does he keep dropping stuff then

    • @philsburydoboy
      @philsburydoboy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@WayStedYou Dropping stuff is required to look into the future

    • @Sithhy
      @Sithhy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      That's the downside of being able to look into the future

  • @m4ttendo
    @m4ttendo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your videos I'm addicted to them love the t-shirt swap at 15:30 on timeline 🤣

  • @SomethingSomethingAirsoft
    @SomethingSomethingAirsoft 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how that G710+ has hung around for so long. I bought mine like a week before your video covering it came out.

  • @jseen9568
    @jseen9568 2 ปีที่แล้ว +175

    GPU accelerated raid, NVME drives attached with a GPU, PCIe 5 coming.
    I still say there could be some really interesting devices coming that could handle several different things at once, without performance issues.
    e.g. A single GPU, with 4 drives, in Raid, with the raid being taking care of by the GPU, and the GPU sending video output (perhaps some other computation happening as well). All without a performance being impacted with any of it.

    • @timsmith3743
      @timsmith3743 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It's like a return to the past when some Enterprise GPUs had inbuilt SSDs.
      Certainly not common, but not a new idea.

    • @calebschmucker4698
      @calebschmucker4698 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Back to the days of a math coprocessor

    • @rukia4473
      @rukia4473 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Please read my name❣️

    • @Rich-qs6kn
      @Rich-qs6kn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Are we going to see less of a push for improvements to the CPU in the future then? maybe that's why Intel are moving into the GPU space.

    • @Finder245
      @Finder245 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are underestimating the software complexity of these solutions. Anyone can duct tape together a bunch of components, but making them actually work together seamlessly is not trivial, and when something goes wrong, they are just too difficult to debug. If you look at the history of computing, simpler solutions tend to win. Only the most performance critical applications tolerate some complexity.

  • @eldibs
    @eldibs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +305

    With the kind of airflow going through that chassis, would the RAID GPU card stay cooler if you took the shroud and fan off? Assuming the heatsink fins are oriented horizontally.

    • @Vatharian
      @Vatharian 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      From experience, there is no difference. A lot of bus cards, FPGAs, expanders and other PCIe appliances come in with a fan, so they can be put in a tower desktop, mostly for development purposes, but in general when you put it inside a server (especially in 1U or half-width 1U on dual node systems) it just doesn't matter.

    • @seldoon_nemar
      @seldoon_nemar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      gotta remember that it's a positive pressure system in that thing so it's forcing air though those fins even with the integrated fan turned off. when it's on it's more boosting the speed over the server's insane baseline by helping air maintain speed. it's only ever going to be a single digit percentage diffrence

    • @eldibs
      @eldibs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Informative answers from both of you, thanks. I simply don't have rackmount server experience, and am happy to learn from those who do.

  • @actng
    @actng 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    linus: with these enterprise drives, they're not likely to fail
    jake: they usually all fail at the same time
    :D

  • @Thehoeh
    @Thehoeh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looking good, Jake. Keep it up!

  • @jbrown-acuity
    @jbrown-acuity 2 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    RAID originally stood for "Redundant Arrays of Inexpensive Disks"

    • @majorbogart3476
      @majorbogart3476 2 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      My experience has been "Risking All Important Data"...

    • @satakrionkryptomortis
      @satakrionkryptomortis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@majorbogart3476 thats the lack of raid shadow legend..

    • @TechnoBabble
      @TechnoBabble 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And it still means that if you compare any kind of RAID to a dedicated, proprietary storage machine in a datacenter.

    • @3050Victus
      @3050Victus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@satakrionkryptomortis you could have not said that but you did it anyway

    • @jakeaustin901
      @jakeaustin901 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@majorbogart3476 yea, if RAID 0 and not any other form

  • @raphaelsback
    @raphaelsback 2 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    Linus now: On these enterprise level devices it should be fine.
    5 years later: Yeah guys it failed and we didn’t see it through

    • @Brogboolius_Maximus
      @Brogboolius_Maximus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      5 years of INCREDIBLY heavy, daily use.

    • @Qyngali
      @Qyngali 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And no way to detect bit rot, unlike ZFS. Having backup of bit rot is kinda pointless. :P

  • @Mountain-Man-3000
    @Mountain-Man-3000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That wardrobe change though. Super high production quality!

  • @Garbimba1900
    @Garbimba1900 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, the noise at 18:03! I don't miss the server room noise which this reminded me of. Geez, its really working!

  • @N54.S6
    @N54.S6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Two minute's in and linus is already dropping thing's. Absolute legend.

    • @Sithhy
      @Sithhy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Even less than 2 minutes; more like 40 seconds

  • @UntouchedWagons
    @UntouchedWagons 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    That's actually really cool. I'd love to see a 3090 or that super top of the line A1000 run the software raid stuff.

  • @lasthopelost9090
    @lasthopelost9090 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job you guys getting a telus sponsor thats pretty big

  • @TheRossMadness
    @TheRossMadness 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's nice to see the Level 1 Techs merch on display.

  • @AgentSmith911
    @AgentSmith911 2 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    I love that Linus is still mega hyped about tech even after all these years 😀

  • @AndyPhu
    @AndyPhu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love it when you guys include the technical information!

  • @Killertamagotchi
    @Killertamagotchi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Server Rig in the background
    Ready for Take of
    😂

  • @Norman_Fleming
    @Norman_Fleming 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The first few minutes explaining the how the PCIE was being used was very informative. I was wondering how much the CPU utilization was caused by the test itself.

  • @OfficialSamuelC
    @OfficialSamuelC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Gotta love the knowledge and expertise of Jake and the videos he does where Linus is a spectator. Jake’s skills are impressive, he seems to know everything!

  • @kernelpickle
    @kernelpickle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    The part of this whole concept that I find most interesting is the fact that someone basically found a useful way to repurpose old GPUs that would otherwise be eWaste. Someone that’s into farming Chia might find something like this useful as well, so there’s still a way to earn some crypto with it.

  • @Paulrere
    @Paulrere 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love these videos man!

  • @i_am_macgyver84
    @i_am_macgyver84 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the video. While I've never ran anything greater than Raid 1, between your channel and others I have been running Unraid for almost 2 years. Yes I know there are pro's and con's of both, but at this time Unraid has been great for me needs.

  • @HrafnRaff
    @HrafnRaff 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is nuts. I know I'll never get to work on these kinds of projects, but man I'd love to. I have no need for it, I just want it lol Amazing stuff

  • @uncle-ff7jq
    @uncle-ff7jq 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Seems like an exciting step in making alternative hardware accelerators common place in systems. It's wild to think that despite how far innovation has pushed the capabilities of modern gpus in terms of video encoding and rasterization, they are but one manifestation of hardware accelerators in a wide field with new opportunities coming from things like fpgas or asics.

    • @Naetrox
      @Naetrox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's interesting because this is much like an echo of the past. In the 90s we had co-processors and such. Sound cards were also hip until everyone had their baked-in Realtek chip. We kinda went backwards and are now seeing the start of a boom of new accelerators, possibly due to the progress of performance improvement slowing down.

    • @uncle-ff7jq
      @uncle-ff7jq 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Naetrox Good point, it doesn’t seem as viable to just throw more general compute at a problem. Instead better specified architecture provides much more real performance. I wonder if someday the almighty cpu might become a compute analog to a clock generator.

    • @Naetrox
      @Naetrox 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@uncle-ff7jq I'm holding out for quantum computers, I think we'll see adoption of them in a few decades as we figure out how to operate them at room temperature.

  • @ivanevans2820
    @ivanevans2820 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The energy in this video is the best

  • @connhughes13
    @connhughes13 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your channel has had back to back killer videos. Between fixing GPUs and this one!

  • @Buzzfly
    @Buzzfly 2 ปีที่แล้ว +158

    Surprised to hear them talking so positively about RAID 5 and dismissing RAID 10 as "expensive". Yes, you do lose half your capacity with RAID 10, but you get more performance, more resiliency, and importantly rebuilds are faster / less resource intensive. Rebuilding your array from a failed disk doesn't matter so much when all the drives are new, but when they're all end of life, the extra strain from a RAID 5 rebuild can cause a chain of failures, potentially causing a totally array loss. Coming from industry, I'd never deploy a RAID 5 array again, RAID 10 all the way. RAID 1 also has some good use cases.

    • @wobblysauce
      @wobblysauce 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Rebuilding an array is the worst part of a process when you do get a failure.

    • @hicknopunk
      @hicknopunk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      How do you feel about raid 6?

    • @88porpoise
      @88porpoise 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      He did specify that there are use cases for RAID 10, but it was severe overkill for the hardware/use case they were considering.

    • @giornikitop5373
      @giornikitop5373 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      the extra stress for raid5-6 etc while rebuilding, is more of a problem for the mechanical hard drives. ssd's, especially of that class, don't suffer the same drawbacks, only write wear matters, reads don't affect them. also due to much higher transfer speed, the rebuild will complete way faster. still, with a bit of patience and thinking, you can use a combination of different raid levels, that will fill the needs better...

    • @AllanSavolainen
      @AllanSavolainen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I prefer RAID 50 if you wanna go with the mirroring route.

  • @gabrielhmi
    @gabrielhmi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This thing is sick. Could be a small revolution in scientific computing.

  • @Nobe_Oddy
    @Nobe_Oddy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    FRIKKIN AMAZING!!!! - Thanks for bringing 5this mindbending tech to our attention!! :D - Wendell is gonna LOVE THIS!!!!

  • @iicuno7089
    @iicuno7089 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    omg il always watch ur vids bro i learn new stuff from you linus

  • @HoshPak
    @HoshPak 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I am looking forward to the day someone is releasing an open source driver accelerating storage with any GPU.

    • @trevorjex3146
      @trevorjex3146 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This would be awesome

    • @trevorjex3146
      @trevorjex3146 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Prophes0r I don't think that hardware getting more capable and more general purpose is ever a bad thing. If a TON of people start using features like this in the short run it could affect the supply chain. But honestly I don't think there'll be enough people using this that it'll affect anyone's ability to get a GPU. And honestly it just means your card you have can do more things. Why would that be a bad thing?

    • @Naetrox
      @Naetrox 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nicekeyboardalan6972 Aight rich kid, just know if war comes, you'll be first to get eaten. That said, expensive GPUs make for half decent impromptu weapons. See you on the battlefield, come sit down for some soup and bread with us.

  • @davidbronke5484
    @davidbronke5484 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    "This server from Gigabyte handles all that through a backplane here in the front of the chassis."
    Wouldn't that be a "frontplane" then? Har Har.

    • @VitalVampyr
      @VitalVampyr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's in the back of the front.

    • @acojo8205
      @acojo8205 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You see, David, this is why your mom left

  • @kahelsoro
    @kahelsoro ปีที่แล้ว

    Excited for this tech! Hopefully enterprise brands cater this kind of technology on their systems.

  • @HueMongus101
    @HueMongus101 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am VERY interested in this technology! More!

  • @sitedel
    @sitedel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The main interest of RAID for hard drives is the ability to hot swap any faulty drive on a running server.
    Could you test hot swap in this beefy configuration ?

  • @AtomusGuy
    @AtomusGuy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "Compared to the documentation of anything Microsoft" I felt that Jake, I felt that

  • @Anonymus-ih7yb
    @Anonymus-ih7yb 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like that this thing sounds like it’s taking off.

  • @delveling
    @delveling 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So kool watching you guys excited :)

  • @Hobbles_
    @Hobbles_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    This was such a cool concept and video!I would love to see the open source community come up with their own solution of this! Please see what else you can do with this, and I await the videos that will relate to it!

    • @mbourd25
      @mbourd25 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi @Hobbes, there is the mergers + snapraid combo of you want open source projects. That's what I use in my OpenMediaVault server.

    • @nullnull2128
      @nullnull2128 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This!

  • @88Xlmk
    @88Xlmk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I bought relatively cheap Kioxia SSD this month - Toshiba NAND and 4GB DRAM controller from Samsung. it was even cheaper than a lot of low end drives from Chinese manufacturers without DRAM. Its performance is pretty good, but I'm not much of storage purist.

  • @TheLogicalphycopath
    @TheLogicalphycopath 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    that hair in your eye at 4:15 man that would have drove me kitchen roll bonkers

  • @garynagle3093
    @garynagle3093 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was pretty cool to see!

  • @biggestballer9206
    @biggestballer9206 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    0:34 Linus drop this strikes again

  • @ImLunaUwU
    @ImLunaUwU 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    We didn't even have to wait a minute before Linus almost dropped it.

  • @rileymannion5301
    @rileymannion5301 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man I was not expecting telus as the sponsor! That's a really big company

  • @holyassassin1985
    @holyassassin1985 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i love seeing these kinds of vids to see how powerful pc's and servers can get. Wish i could afford a decent computer but im stuck with a 4 core intel laptop with 8 gigs of ram and no graphics card. Hoping one day i can afford one though, but from the looks of pricing and such i wont be able to

  • @Je-kg8up
    @Je-kg8up 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    My prediction for the future- this type of card will quickly be obsolete and become integrated into CPUs or motherboards. This is a PhyX card for storage. They might continue to exist for servers though.

    • @ck5071
      @ck5071 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Hmm. Tough call. The card was running 100% the whole time and even with massive airflow was hitting 70C. Embedding that on a motherboard would need some built in cooling to support it.

    • @RandomnessCreates
      @RandomnessCreates 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Perhaps, but it's using GPU Compute at 100% and I don't think it'll be in CPUs anytime soon since it seems to be very much an enterprise solution. It might be compared to like a PhysX card but this is more akin to using a dedicated GPU for tensor applications.

    • @Finder245
      @Finder245 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If there is a market for this, AMD and Intel will integrate it into their CPUs in a more refined way.

    • @mariuspuiu9555
      @mariuspuiu9555 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      i can see RISC type chips made specifically for this task becoming popular.

    • @jameslake7775
      @jameslake7775 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      "This type of card" is just a GPU. There doesn't seem to be any special fixed-function hardware or special firmware as explained, It's just offloading what the CPU would do onto what's effectively a GTX 1650 with the TDP pared back to fit under a smaller cooler. Integrating it into CPUs would just be doing GPU compute on the iGPU.
      For home users, the processor overhead isn't that high anyway. For servers there isn't an iGPU to offload on, and even if they did add one, it would be fighting the main CPU for die space and power budget where an add-in card would not.

  • @SkillisForNoobs
    @SkillisForNoobs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    We need a continuation making it work with other GPUs

  • @trevorsmith470
    @trevorsmith470 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    For the Kioxia BG5, I'm surprised you didn't mention its application in the steam deck, as it uses M.2-2230 SSDs as well.

    • @technicavivunt
      @technicavivunt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wish I could find one too. Seems like everywhere I look they’re still unavailable

  • @jordanhildebrandt3705
    @jordanhildebrandt3705 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jake's shirt! Sysadmin haiku! Brilliant!

  • @gamebrigada2
    @gamebrigada2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    This is like the opposite of ZFS in every way. ZFS is like "ecc for resiliency on top of hashing everything"! Graid be like "speed!!!!". It'd be interesting to see how much data corruption would happen on one of those in a real world heavy write workload.

    • @timsmith3743
      @timsmith3743 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      While I agree, you response may lead a novice reader to mistakenly believe ZFS protects against corruption, when infact it an be the opposite.
      - The hash in ZFS detects corruption, can't actually be used to recover data
      - ZFS has next to zero protection against bitrot
      - ZFS can't detect errors introduced by the host, so ECC is critical at all layers, RAM. ie: Don't run ECC on cheap hardware, overclock ect.. as errors introduced on the host will get written to the ZFS and NOT detected.
      ZFS is perfect to host VMs but the ZFS server itself should never be virtual due to higher risk of corruption.
      So while ZFS is about as good as you can get in the enterprise, due to the extreme robustness, ease of recovery and tons of features. Running it on consumer hardware introduces a lot more risk over other filesystems and will generally perform poorly without a crap ton of memory.

    • @gamebrigada2
      @gamebrigada2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@timsmith3743 ZFSs protection against bitrot is literally a focus in it's initial design. If your pool is using raidz, ZFS not only protects from bit rot, it eliminates it in real time. The hash that ZFS stores with every write, and the parities of your pool config allows ZFS to determine which version of data is correct and only return that data. Not only does ZFS protect against bit rot, it also protects against file corruption.
      ECC is recommended for ZFS systems because it's the only part of the system that is not protected against corruption. ECC protects the data while it is processed by ZFS.

    • @timsmith3743
      @timsmith3743 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@gamebrigada2 , ZFS detects bit rot, but can only perform the bitflip if a replica exists. To understand your risk, you need to review the results of the scheduled scrubs and often need to replace the lost data where it can not be repaired automatically.

  • @jestersheep9647
    @jestersheep9647 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The T400/600/1000 line of GPUs are underrated gems. Tiny little powerhouses in an otherwise completely screwed GPU market!

    • @mycosys
      @mycosys 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Amazes me nobody knows about the T400, low profile, full Ampere NVenc/dec in effectively the 1630 that never happened for $150 US, in this market its a great card for HTPC/Encode servers/plex/streaming etc etc

  • @IBETA7
    @IBETA7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think that telus ad was the first canadian targetted ad I've seen in a long time on this channel

  • @eTiMaGo
    @eTiMaGo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just want to say thanks for introducing me to Termius, was looking for something a bit more modern than MobaXterm :D

  • @Aaron_Jensen
    @Aaron_Jensen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hello and welcome to another fine installment of Linus loves ridiculously awesome storage solutions.

  • @DeadOnToilet
    @DeadOnToilet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    With RAID5/6 you lose so much write performance they’re generally terrible for write intensive applications. RAId10 is the best option for write intensive applications.
    Also you only lose half your drives in RAID10; it’s just a striped mirror.

    • @Iceman259
      @Iceman259 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The resiliency in 10 isn’t great for critical applications. I suppose the “rebuild” time offsets that to some degree though.

    • @richardharvey586
      @richardharvey586 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I came here to say this. I was baffled why they tested RAID5 as that's what you're doing at the low end not the high end. As far as RAID goes in industry OBRAID10 is the norm.

    • @Iceman259
      @Iceman259 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@richardharvey586 weren't they *specifically* testing the worst case scenario in terms of write overhead on software RAID?
      Also, do you have an info link on OBRAID? Curious what the difference is and it returns nothing on google or stackoverflow/serverfault.

    • @richardharvey586
      @richardharvey586 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Iceman259 i thought they just wanted to test the performance. OB, one big, it's just normal RAID10.

    • @Iceman259
      @Iceman259 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@richardharvey586 Ah, gotcha. Thanks. Isn't the fault tolerance low with RAID10? In the worst case scenario two drive failures is game over. But that's only if the failures are in both halves I guess.

  • @shankararhuddlan270
    @shankararhuddlan270 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did he just wink at the camera after that awesome recovery catch?! Haha Linus you're freaking awesome!

  • @takehirolol5962
    @takehirolol5962 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Linus, you are an insider and the number one Tech channel, of course you knew...

  • @relims
    @relims 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "This only runs on Linux server operating systems"
    Me: Yes!
    "So we are running Ubuntu Server 20.04 LTS"
    Me: Ubuntu? Noooooo

  • @brodierobson4490
    @brodierobson4490 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jake and linus together is just amazing. Linus lucky to have such a good employee :)

  • @jarzz3601
    @jarzz3601 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    the banana for scale in the sponsor segment made me chuckle

  • @insnprsn
    @insnprsn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    You should run some tests with degraded RAID5, see what really happens with CPU utilization at that point. Expect it'll still offload to the GPU. Or a fully degraded RAID6 (two disks failed)

    • @richlee91
      @richlee91 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Based on the diagram, in that read does not go through the GPU. I would expect it to hit the CPU. That's a great question.

  • @ChristopherCobra
    @ChristopherCobra 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I just got a glitch in the matrix. All the comments disappeared.

  • @youtubecommenter4069
    @youtubecommenter4069 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jake's boss's bad joke disgust face, 7:32.

  • @daronsong13
    @daronsong13 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you do a video on how to configure your backup software? I’d like to learn what is a reliable software to run automatic backups, preferably open source.
    You guys are awesome and I’ve enjoyed your channels since at least 2012!

  • @karehaqt
    @karehaqt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    IBM and Nvidia are working on a much better version of this concept, enables a GPU to connect directly to a computer's SSD to bypass the CPU completely.

    • @karehaqt
      @karehaqt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@marcogenovesi8570 Will this be open sourced like IBM/Nvidia plan to do with what they are doing?

    • @Rokkprojekk
      @Rokkprojekk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@karehaqt does Nvidia have any open source products?

    • @eabelcourt
      @eabelcourt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      This system is completely a different use case to what Nvidia recently announced with IBM. What Nvidia-IBM are making are something akin to DirectStorage where pulling dataset blocks from storage for number crunching/training are quite slow going via the CPU so like MSDS is cutting out the middle man.
      What this GRAID system is doing is using a relatively inexpensive workstation card (stability etc) to be the write target for the disk are so it can use the massive amount of mathematical capability of the GPU cores to calculate parity data which is pure math of block A + block B = block C and if you were to lose either A or B you could get the missing data back because you have 2 parts of the 3 sided equation.
      In short, it's just using the Nvidia card as a write accelerator which is pretty impressive and am also a little surprised this hasn't been posited before now.

    • @karehaqt
      @karehaqt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@marcogenovesi8570 The software is what I was implying, not the hardware.

    • @myselfremade
      @myselfremade 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      AMD already did it years ago