I guess you never rode in the 80’s or 90’s any new hydraulic clutch is butter. I have a 17 300RR is butter. I know the 2022 are even lighter but C’mon give a break. Go for a squid Rekluse. Or just ride and not cry about clutch pull
@@PlushEnduro not at all. Just a typo I see. I ride a 2017 beta 300re. I appreciate you making content but the clutch pull is not hard on the new bikes. In the old days the pull was extremely difficult on some bikes. We’d lube cables, change springs etc. so to ride a newer generation hydraulic clutch takes no effort at all
@@utahdesertrider1806I’m just trying to help people out. There’s a lot of people out here riding with broken hands/ carpal tunnel / susceptible to arm pump, etc. For me, it’s the cumulative clutching all day in very technical terrain that would get me.
@@utahdesertrider1806 I know what you are saying about some clutch pulls, but I also include the 70's, because I was there too. :) My 2019 YZ250 has a very nice clutch pull for 2 fingers (which I am used to, because of the 70's 80's and 90's lol). But the hottest trick in those days for an easier clutch pull was adding 10mm to the actuating arm length at the cases. Then that "Easy Pull", devise was made that went in the cable, but I never tried it. Another way to move toward the easiest pull is something else I see this guy doing, moving the perch down the bar so you are grabbing the end of the lever with 1 or 2 fingers. Most lever perches have a screw adjustment to get the end of the lever back closer to the bar for the easy reach.
beta makes a retrofit kit now for MY 2016-2021 to get the diaphragm clutch ! i am looking to get it but im on the fence its 600$. i have the 9mm master cylinder and it got lighter but thinking about it
I have a few comments about this. Plastic, even abs will have trouble with the heat of a clutch, metal would probably be better. They make a devise that is intended to help with finger/grip strength if you are having trouble disengaging the clutch. All of the spring modification WILL reduce clutch holding force thus reducing engagement power and clutch plate life. You will be far better off with some sort of leverage increase from after market clutch levers or a little exercise. Back in the old days we used to go the other way to get stronger clutches.
"They make a devise that is intended to help with finger/grip strength if you are having trouble disengaging the clutch." Yea, every bike I had in the 70's. :)
Really cool video. great info and demo. i have seen owen's video about the washers. i may do this when i'm in the clutch cover next. i personally didn't think the beta clutch was that heavy but i don't slip it much. What does my head in more is the slight clutch drag, so annoying. i have seen an internet post about adding shims between the washers on the roller bush in the clutch but i think that is for a beta trials bike which i think has slightly different arrangement. i don't think the xtrainer has the washers on the roller bush. i shall investigate it one day. :o)
@@PlushEnduro on top of the roller Bush? Be interested how that goes👍I have some 0.25 shims to add🙂just not sure as don't think xtrainer has the washers to fit them between🙂
I had to put it on top on the stack so it’s closest to the pressure plate. I thought the bearings would do more damage to my plastic (abs) shim than having it ride directly on the pressure plate itself. We’ll see. Where did you find the shims? From the trials site? I should add that also didn’t have two washers to stuff the shim between.
@@PlushEnduro Now there is a problem I have to work on. I take everybody seriously, and it gives me a very poor view of mankind today. I think this one is one of the few I got as a joke, so I just gained a little hope. :)
@@PlushEnduro If you want the lightest pull without the worry of clutch slippage or additional pull that leverage based systems introduce, then try the Clake One Light Clutch. Dial in as much assistance as you want! It's a bit expensive but I've been using the same one on every bike I've had since my 2014 300RE. That's probably about 1000hrs of use and it's still going strong!
5 springs? Maybe swap them for the 250x springs and screws? I did that on my yz250 2 stroke and it made a considerable difference. Or remove one completely. For a trail bike I doubt you get much slippage. 🤷♂️ I like trying stuff though.
@@PlushEnduro you got it. I actually put 250fx Springs and two 1.3 mm washers stacked. No slipping yet. Made a difference but don't have a luggage scale so couldn't measure, that's a good idea though
"Indexed" is not the right term, (man I have to dig deep to get you, lol). Indexing it a rotational measurement. That washer is a nest, that keeps the end of the spring centered. I might make some for my YZ. :)
@@PlushEnduro Yes it would most likely slip. I tried on my 2018. Have 6 screws and removed 2, was slipping quite a bit when getting on the Fatty pipe power !
Removed 2 springs on my 200 evo trials bike....zero slippage, but also using MTL tranny fluid which is quite thin and has pretty grippy feel of engagement... Im also on the lighter side at 150 lbs... so maybe with that combo, thats why I dont get any slippage... Give it a try, do a high gear pull up a hill, you will hear it slip if it does ;)
I guess you never rode in the 80’s or 90’s any new hydraulic clutch is butter. I have a 17 300RR is butter. I know the 2022 are even lighter but C’mon give a break. Go for a squid Rekluse. Or just ride and not cry about clutch pull
You been drinking?
@@PlushEnduro not at all. Just a typo I see. I ride a 2017 beta 300re. I appreciate you making content but the clutch pull is not hard on the new bikes. In the old days the pull was extremely difficult on some bikes. We’d lube cables, change springs etc. so to ride a newer generation hydraulic clutch takes no effort at all
@@utahdesertrider1806I’m just trying to help people out. There’s a lot of people out here riding with broken hands/ carpal tunnel / susceptible to arm pump, etc. For me, it’s the cumulative clutching all day in very technical terrain that would get me.
@@utahdesertrider1806 I know what you are saying about some clutch pulls, but I also include the 70's, because I was there too. :)
My 2019 YZ250 has a very nice clutch pull for 2 fingers (which I am used to, because of the 70's 80's and 90's lol). But the hottest trick in those days for an easier clutch pull was adding 10mm to the actuating arm length at the cases. Then that "Easy Pull", devise was made that went in the cable, but I never tried it.
Another way to move toward the easiest pull is something else I see this guy doing, moving the perch down the bar so you are grabbing the end of the lever with 1 or 2 fingers. Most lever perches have a screw adjustment to get the end of the lever back closer to the bar for the easy reach.
Dude that’s a sweet sticker on your number plate!
Shilling for d listers!
The 2022 beta 300rr clutch is very nice and light !
Diaphragm clutch! Lucky!!
Mine too.
beta makes a retrofit kit now for MY 2016-2021 to get the diaphragm clutch ! i am looking to get it but im on the fence its 600$. i have the 9mm master cylinder and it got lighter but thinking about it
Really? I didn’t know this. That diaphragm clutch is very nice.
@@PlushEnduro sorry 2018-2021
I have a few comments about this. Plastic, even abs will have trouble with the heat of a clutch, metal would probably be better. They make a devise that is intended to help with finger/grip strength if you are having trouble disengaging the clutch. All of the spring modification WILL reduce clutch holding force thus reducing engagement power and clutch plate life. You will be far better off with some sort of leverage increase from after market clutch levers or a little exercise. Back in the old days we used to go the other way to get stronger clutches.
"They make a devise that is intended to help with finger/grip strength if you are having trouble disengaging the clutch."
Yea, every bike I had in the 70's. :)
Really cool video. great info and demo. i have seen owen's video about the washers. i may do this when i'm in the clutch cover next.
i personally didn't think the beta clutch was that heavy but i don't slip it much. What does my head in more is the slight clutch drag, so annoying. i have seen an internet post about adding shims between the washers on the roller bush in the clutch but i think that is for a beta trials bike which i think has slightly different arrangement. i don't think the xtrainer has the washers on the roller bush. i shall investigate it one day. :o)
I printed out a .5 mm shim and added it into the throw out stack and it solved this issue completely. I’m testing it for “durability” now.
@@PlushEnduro on top of the roller Bush? Be interested how that goes👍I have some 0.25 shims to add🙂just not sure as don't think xtrainer has the washers to fit them between🙂
I had to put it on top on the stack so it’s closest to the pressure plate. I thought the bearings would do more damage to my plastic (abs) shim than having it ride directly on the pressure plate itself. We’ll see. Where did you find the shims? From the trials site? I should add that also didn’t have two washers to stuff the shim between.
@@PlushEnduro they are KTM shims. Part number is 50180032. I'll find the link to the topic on the trials site and paste it for you👍
Oh man! Thank you. I appreciate it. It’d be nice to have a more permanent solution.
Really cool information
I need to make my clutch pull harder. It’s too easy for my manly forearms and hands.
So many great responses here; I can’t choose one…
@@PlushEnduro Now there is a problem I have to work on. I take everybody seriously, and it gives me a very poor view of mankind today.
I think this one is one of the few I got as a joke, so I just gained a little hope. :)
Swap the master cylinders to a smaller bore like people do on the Sherco. Longer pull but easier.
Ive seen people go from the ‘10’ to the ‘11’. I’d love to get my hands on one. There is a slave cylinder swap as well from one of the beta 4strokes.
@@PlushEnduro actually you go from a 10mm to a 9mm for a lighter pull
@@putnut9714 gotcha! Maybe it’s time to go French. Chasing the lightest clutch pull possible!
@@PlushEnduro If you want the lightest pull without the worry of clutch slippage or additional pull that leverage based systems introduce, then try the Clake One Light Clutch. Dial in as much assistance as you want! It's a bit expensive but I've been using the same one on every bike I've had since my 2014 300RE. That's probably about 1000hrs of use and it's still going strong!
@@PlushEnduro 2014 350 has a 1mm larger bore slave. It's about an additional 10-15%
i wonder if that would help on the ktm200 and 250i lol
Just get a rekluse and don’t worry about it 😉
@@CrashHardEnduro lulzzzzzz
have you try this in the Sherco?
Top stuff broski!
Trying to do the same thing with my 2017 yz250f. Off-road conversion
5 springs? Maybe swap them for the 250x springs and screws? I did that on my yz250 2 stroke and it made a considerable difference. Or remove one completely. For a trail bike I doubt you get much slippage. 🤷♂️ I like trying stuff though.
@@PlushEnduro you got it. I actually put 250fx Springs and two 1.3 mm washers stacked. No slipping yet. Made a difference but don't have a luggage scale so couldn't measure, that's a good idea though
@@sparkyboots lol I think I got the scale as a Christmas stocking stuffer to literally weigh luggage. It’s never been used for that actual purpose.
Очень пригодилось видео. Спасибо автору🎉
What model 3d printer is that?
how did it ride, with 25% less spring pressure, you have 25% lest clamping pressure in the clutch pack. Under full load it might/will slip .
Absolutely fine as far as I could tell. No noticeable lack of engagement.
@@PlushEnduro If you do notice it, it will start in top gear as you accelerate the hardest,------then you better get it home. :)
I know single track riders are pretty particular on who they ride with, but do you ever invite any new riders to your group?
Where are you located Jason? As long as you’re cool 😎 we’ll generally ride with anyone.
Trust me.... TML is not that particular 🤣 Fact: He'll ride with anyone, plus he's as cool as his vids make him seem 😉
did you melt the pla spacers? running with plastic spacers seems like a bad idea
Nope they held strong!
"Indexed" is not the right term, (man I have to dig deep to get you, lol). Indexing it a rotational measurement. That washer is a nest, that keeps the end of the spring centered.
I might make some for my YZ. :)
Have you tried removing 2 springs completely? I heard it works well but not sure
I did not… I gotta think the slippage would be pretty bad though.
@@PlushEnduro Yes it would most likely slip. I tried on my 2018. Have 6 screws and removed 2, was slipping quite a bit when getting on the Fatty pipe power !
Removed 2 springs on my 200 evo trials bike....zero slippage, but also using MTL tranny fluid which is quite thin and has pretty grippy feel of engagement... Im also on the lighter side at 150 lbs... so maybe with that combo, thats why I dont get any slippage... Give it a try, do a high gear pull up a hill, you will hear it slip if it does ;)
Get recluse