jon (being the victim he is) will get sympathy from other meat consumers for taking all the heat from vegans. They aren't looking for intelligence from each other.
@@goldenpanda3x370 The problem is that I think that is objectively false. If he apologized and admitted that he's been spewing horse shit for months to get an easy way out and cause suffering cause he likes the taste, and then truly took on the vegan lifestyle and ideology he absolutely could garner some amount of respect back. But clearly he won't and that's what baffles me. He obviously knows he's wrong and spreading completely fallacious nonsense
"Most, if not, all" people need animal products according to Jon but he's still down to take vegan clients and squeeze a few dollars out of them, is that where we are now?
What I don't get is, if eating meat were necessary, wouldn't you just eat the exact necessary amount? Lets say it were half a kg of chicken a fortnight and you're good. How does that justify going all out and including it everywhere in your diet. Or hunting??? That always baffled me. You could treat it like a supplement and stay plantbased the other 95% of your diet. He doesn't even believe himself when he blurts out this bullshit. This is all so weird.
@@davefx7949 exactly. according to these people vitamin stores in the body last years, if not decades, so with their logic animal products should only need to be consumed every few years 😂
@@reginavegemite2016 do you make these awful jokes because they're funny to you? Because rest assured nobody else thinks this is funny whatsoever . You kknd of just look like a desperate bored dickhead just saying 😍
I’m mindblown by how the guy went from “Veganism is the way, I will do everything in my power to promote it and make the world vegan” and making speeches about veganism in event, teaching people about its benefits and all to “I think animal product can be absolutely necessary to different types of people”. He’s indecisive to a whole other level, also for sure motivated by clout chasing and $$$.
Yeah it's all about views. He was probably plantbased in the first place because he saw the potential in creating content. He'll be eating full carnivore before the end of the month. That'll bring in the views.
I think he is hoping for a whole load of animal eaters to subscribe, meat sponsors and getting on Joe Rogan to get millions of people to know who he is.
@@jonjonwp Exactly. It's his last chance to reach a new demographic before his career comes to a grinding halt. He will probably make more videos like this one to spark more "outrage" and recieve attention. Any kind of it. The best we can do is ignore this clown.
Funky Doggie even his teenage younger brother has more conviction than he does. You almost have to feel bad for Jon since his brothers clearly got all the good genes.
Stronger than you've ever been. Jon is breaking from the conditioning. It'll take him years to recover mentally and physically from his veganism. Especially since he'll continue to eat a plant-based diet, barely getting 15-20% of meat in his diet.
Straight up, he was interviewed on the Primal Health meat channel talking about his plans for hunting and consuming lamb and deer and stated he might make some hunting videos. You were right. he will be monetising his animal torture.
@Cindy Wallis hes already posing with a rifle like a complete badass 🤣 cringe doesnt even begin to describe this man. When he talks or does anything really i squeeze into a ball of anti matter
@Slightly Crazy Vegan Well, the other video he did before was in a room with chunks of flesh hanging everywhere, and he made sure to point it out and how he doesn't care.
I assume he picked that room to film in to try and trigger vegans. He just wants to fit in with Catherine's family and he couldn't do it vegan because he made them feel uncomfortable. So to impress them he's convinced himself to hunt and kill innocent animals...such an apologist!
in an interview with Primal Edge Health he said he would stop if it found it not suitable for most people as he would find it unethical. and in THIS video he said "i think it is necessary for MOST people if not EVERYONE to consume animal products". So lets see if he stays true to his word or if hes just trying to play both sides to get the most $$$
@@suicune2001 yes, but the most recent video which he took down he said that he doesn't think that is possible for most people. lol. he is so fking confused
He never was vegan because he viewed it as a diet which it isn't because it also avoids all forms of animal exploitation that is practical regarding non food products and services that involve animal exploitation.
@@puttki he is a fraud. At least if he would have said, hey guys I am 80% plant based, and not hey I am vegan, but I am going to sneak some eggs here for my lunch, or some cheese for a little snack, then yeah, he is a fraud. He is a sellout and if you are fine with sellouts, well it does not say much about you.
@@bonchidude hahaha he never said "I'm Vegan but i'm eating eggs as well". He clearly stated he's no longer vegan and never spoke anything negative towards veganism. He has come to his senses that the vegan diet is not best suited for him and his family. I don't think he's a sellout if he was he would not come out and admit he's eating meat. A dishonest person or a sellout would continue claiming being a vegan and then eat meat secretly. It would be much more easier for him to do that
@@puttki That is what jon penus did for 5 years, act vegan but eat meat. Well, you are a shill and your paycheck demands that you remain ignorant. Why do you come to a vegan channel and be all offended? We are here minding our business but since you are a shill, there you are inserting your lint into the proceedings. MUTED
Jon was always a massive moron. His only use to Veganism was a physique people could point to. He never did have anything intelligent or of substance to say.
He isn't far off: What is difference between ethics and moral? Both morality and ethics loosely have to do with distinguishing the difference between “good and bad” or “right and wrong.” Many people think of morality as something that's personal and normative, whereas ethics is the standards of “good and bad” distinguished by a certain community or social setting. But he is wrong anyway :D
@@CarlosCastro-oj4xd I was wondering if he thinks that these are some profound discussions to show his audience "his very genius logic" ... Omg, he's making it soooo much worse!!! 🤦🏼♀️🙄
I don’t know how people can go back to eating meat etc after knowing what happens to the animals. Plus after not eating animal products for so long the thought of eating flesh or drinking cows milk is disgusting I couldn’t do it without vomiting.
catherine is just as bad though, she fully supports this non-sense. also, that room is disgusting and makes me want to throw up, i'm so sick and tired of the venus family
Almost can’t believe he’s trying to talk about ethics. Does he want to get shredded even more by everyone? At this point I think this is for that kind of attention.
@@viktormuller83 it obviously makes more sense when vegans talk about it and is absolutely useless if non-vegans talk about something they don't act upon. you know, if a rapist talks about feminism... it's just gonna be complete nonsense coming out of his mouth!
It’s just kinda weird because veganism is an ethical standpoint. Itd be as if someone was conditioned to hold a racist or homophobic mindset, then realizing that we are all equal, then suddenly believing racism and homophobia is okay again. Just kinda weird
most 10 year olds do quite a lot of research for presentations and they usually do a pretty good job for their age Jon clearly did not do his research and just speaks without really saying anything. so i would say... a big insult to the 10 year olds who work hard
"Right and wrong is subjective so in my experience I feel we need animal products to be healthy." (paraphrased). This guy needs an appointment with a professional psychologist. Seriously, what is the cause for such excessive stupidity? If someone felt fine eating rocks, and most things are subjective, does that mean that the human diet requires rocks? There is a reason why scientific literature exists! Experimentation allows us to have an evidence-based approach to life. What does the literature say? "Appropriately planned vegan diets are suitable for all stages of life." Jon, just go see a medical professional about mental health. These videos are just sad.
The problem with that is that most of the world would need to see a professional psychologist - who wouldn't be likely to be able to help them, it must be added. Most people - including most vegans - have little if any idea how to determine what a right is. That much is clear and can be objectively determined simply by observing the state of the world and the condition of the humans in it. Jon Venus should serve as a wake up call for the vegan movement, not merely as an object of mockery.
Jon is a classic narcissist. He hits all of the classic traits. From MayoClinic. Org Narcissistic personality disorder - one of several types of personality disorders - is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism. Boom goes the dynamite
If Jon says that the science on nutrition is sketchy and we cant come to any conclusions then the same would have to be said for either side of the coin. That would mean the science on omnivorous diets would also be moot. Hes such a complete twit
Omg no no no.. jon venus has such a low IQ that he tries to sound cultural by mentioning yuval harari. His books are too complex for Jon venus for him to even begin to understand his ideas.
@@0GreenFaerie0 True Holly and at the point the diet includes plant junk food, that's not a plant based diet for "health." This while he claimed he cared about animals. So, he is lying either way. A true vegan and a true plant based dieter (for health) don't go back to consuming meat.
'Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.' So it's cool if people are racist, sexist, homophobic? Nice world we would live in if we accepted that philosophy, John.
I also got more acnes and minor digestion issues since I went vegan, it's not even clear that it's diet-related. But there's no way in the world I would stop being vegan because of these things.
@@JustBGunn well it's not even serious health issue. It could be fixed using a healthier vegan diet. But because I went vegan for ethics, my diet is not always super healthy. But even my not so healthy vegan diet now is healthier than my non vegan diet in the past.
Just two days ago he still plugged his vegan mealplans, I guess that is out of the window now, that "almost no one can be healthy and vegan", right Jon? Right? I also assume that the people who paid for this service in the past will all get a refund, since you must think you ruined their health - right Jon?
I have mixed feelings about the whole situation. On the one side Im like: "Im fine with this. Let the carnivore/hunter community handle this dumdum. He made vegans look bad often enough in the past" [for example when he was over at Bobbys chanel (I was actually embarrassed to be on the same team with him for 5 min.)]. On the other side , its sad that he will needlessly kill animals again.
I am confused. I thought Vegan Gains believed that morality was ultimately subjective. That there can be no objective standard to judge whether an action is morally bad or good? Morallity is either a cultural product where the subjects adopt it or each subject makes their own norms. How are we to judge who has a leg to stand on Vegan Gains or Jon Venus. From my point of view it just seems like one subjectivist fighting with another subjectivist struggling for power and control over the label of the "good". Can someone enlighten me here?
To those who argue "humans have always ate meat", I argue back reminding them that we also only lived up to 40. Soo.. yeah. Evolution/scientific research happens, and we should be continuing to evolve according to such.
@@Axiomatic75 To get to where we are, true. But to actually thrive and live longer, more fufilling lives we've learned to adapt to plants. The livliest elders always mention plant based lifestyles. Not to mention research.🕊😚🌱
@@prussianbluephantom3968 Sorry but that doesn't make any sense. We evolved to eat mostly meat, indeed it is the reason why the size of our brains doubled within just a few hundred thousand years. Why would any diet other than the one we evolved to thrive on be better? We've only been eating grains for a few thousand years, in evolutionary terms that's nothing. As to your claim that we thrive and live longer when eating plants: The longest-lived people in the world are the people of Hong Kong. Who eats the most meat? Also the people of Hong Kong (almost 600g per day on average). If meat wasn't healthy they wouldn't live that long. Source: www.carnivoreisvegan.com/hong-kong-long-life-eat-meat/
How convenient slash stupid that he “forgot” one of the major concepts of what he calls “our right to do what we believe is right”, which is that you have the right to follow your own free will AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT KNOWINGLY HARM SOMEONE ELSE (and this goes back to frickin Plato and then Kant). Well, Jon, since your newest choice equals pain, torture and death for thousands of sentient beings, you are not exempt from being criticised for what you call your “personal choice”.
Jon Venus's last 15 minutes are nearly up. He was literally popping into the livestream chat of Mic The Vegan asking for a debate and Mic was like 'nah'. Jon can sense this is his last gasp before he's gone from relevance.
My family has a long tradition of SS officers specialized in hunting and killing what they call Untermenschen and you know what, after listening to Jon’s new videos I must admit that he is right in what he said so I decided that I will follow the path of my father and older brothers and I will become an SS officer. Before I thought that killing humans in general was bad but really who am I to judge ? After all, just for existing, we all cause suffering and death to other sentient beings wether we want it or not so killing some humans on top of that is not a big deal. Also if you think about it since humans are overpopulated killing them has a positive impact in in the world
His motivation is for the $$$. It would have been so much better if he would just have said he was tired of being vegan or he is dropping out because of a new contract. Just be honest and not a bunch of B.S.!!!
Jon fertilized a woman, has a baby with her so now he has to obey her and her parents, who are hunters as he apparently makes this video from their living room. He is financially and emotionally dependant on them as he lives with them so he must obey what they say. Period. I believe if he didn't have a baby and was free and independent, he wouldn't do this bs.
Not too long ago Jon venus did a debate with the carnivore dummies and got absolutely destroyed, do you think that has anything to do with his transition?
Thank you for making this video. Jon deserves all the criticism. Every consequitive video of his is more terrible than the previous one. WTF is wrong with him?! He seems to have lost it!!! 🤦🏼♀️🙄
It became too exhausting for him to continue because his lifestyle is drastically different than the people he lives with. Peer pressure is very powerful. That being said, nobody respects a flip flopper.
Yeah, peer pressure is powerful. Then again, consider all the vegans who changed their lifestyles to reflect their morals despite not having a single other vegan within their social circle. Jon is just a pathetic weakling.
Why does he keep digging himself a deeper hole? Lmao
jon (being the victim he is) will get sympathy from other meat consumers for taking all the heat from vegans. They aren't looking for intelligence from each other.
Giannis Antetokounmpo Bring the Bucks a championship
Cause he knows he can’t jump back out, weak legs and all.
@@goldenpanda3x370 The problem is that I think that is objectively false. If he apologized and admitted that he's been spewing horse shit for months to get an easy way out and cause suffering cause he likes the taste, and then truly took on the vegan lifestyle and ideology he absolutely could garner some amount of respect back. But clearly he won't and that's what baffles me. He obviously knows he's wrong and spreading completely fallacious nonsense
@@jacobhate
Completely agree.
Now if he was to go vegan and then do this again, thats too far gone, zero respect atleast from me in that situation.
How much time had he spent in that room as a 'vegan'? It's creepy af.
@@lesgibson969 hence the inverted commas
He probably killed them himself a while back as an “experiment”.
@Mango Militia who cares? Let's focus here. Jon is being really dumb and dishonest.
Those antlers give his wife more vitamin A and K2 lol
Totally agree, makes me feel sick looking at it.
How the hell can he have spent so long in the vegan community and still roll out these ‘Meat Eating 101’ arguments?
"Most, if not, all" people need animal products according to Jon but he's still down to take vegan clients and squeeze a few dollars out of them, is that where we are now?
What I don't get is, if eating meat were necessary, wouldn't you just eat the exact necessary amount? Lets say it were half a kg of chicken a fortnight and you're good. How does that justify going all out and including it everywhere in your diet. Or hunting??? That always baffled me. You could treat it like a supplement and stay plantbased the other 95% of your diet. He doesn't even believe himself when he blurts out this bullshit. This is all so weird.
@@davefx7949 exactly. according to these people vitamin stores in the body last years, if not decades, so with their logic animal products should only need to be consumed every few years 😂
@
CynicalIdealist - he is a psychopath
@@jiakabery3550 Don't worry, Uncle Leo teach the kids right. :) And jon needs to stop using his kids as human shields as an excuse for $elling out.
lol he said a couple of days ago that vegan diet can suit most people.
just shows how dishonest and stupid he is.
Jon is one of the dumbest people I've ever seen, he can't even keep a lie straight for longer than 2 minutes...
@@reginavegemite2016 do you make these awful jokes because they're funny to you? Because rest assured nobody else thinks this is funny whatsoever . You kknd of just look like a desperate bored dickhead just saying 😍
@
Paulo - and also he is a psychopath
I’m mindblown by how the guy went from “Veganism is the way, I will do everything in my power to promote it and make the world vegan” and making speeches about veganism in event, teaching people about its benefits and all to “I think animal product can be absolutely necessary to different types of people”. He’s indecisive to a whole other level, also for sure motivated by clout chasing and $$$.
Yeah it's all about views. He was probably plantbased in the first place because he saw the potential in creating content. He'll be eating full carnivore before the end of the month. That'll bring in the views.
He finally used his brain and realised a vegan diet just doesn't work. I've been on a carnivore diet for a year now and never felt better.
Surely he’s just trolling i just can’t think someone could be THAT stupid but this world is full of tragic surprises
@@Axiomatic75 ok shill
@@nameless_flash he is a shill. He is a waste of time and space. He has been muted.
At this point he's just riding this final wave of attention before he fades out into irrelevancy.
This. It's his last push to get a few dollars before he is going to have to get a job.
I think that's the truest comment from all here.
I think he is hoping for a whole load of animal eaters to subscribe, meat sponsors and getting on Joe Rogan to get millions of people to know who he is.
@@jonjonwp Exactly. It's his last chance to reach a new demographic before his career comes to a grinding halt.
He will probably make more videos like this one to spark more "outrage" and recieve attention. Any kind of it.
The best we can do is ignore this clown.
@@faechan92 👍
Airhead bimbo philosophizing from the trophy horn death room.
Jon is so weak... this is embarrassing
Funky Doggie even his teenage younger brother has more conviction than he does. You almost have to feel bad for Jon since his brothers clearly got all the good genes.
Spineless is the word.
Exactly both of his younger brothers are vegan
Stronger than you've ever been. Jon is breaking from the conditioning. It'll take him years to recover mentally and physically from his veganism. Especially since he'll continue to eat a plant-based diet, barely getting 15-20% of meat in his diet.
Straight up, he was interviewed on the Primal Health meat channel talking about his plans for hunting and consuming lamb and deer and stated he might make some hunting videos. You were right. he will be monetising his animal torture.
Hunting VIDEOS?! Disturbing.
@Cindy Wallis hes already posing with a rifle like a complete badass 🤣 cringe doesnt even begin to describe this man. When he talks or does anything really i squeeze into a ball of anti matter
My god. What is that room he is sitting in covered with antlers? Ugliest room ever
@@PerpetuallyAnnoyed Exactly. Just intentionally rubbing it in.
@Slightly Crazy Vegan Well, the other video he did before was in a room with chunks of flesh hanging everywhere, and he made sure to point it out and how he doesn't care.
quoting Ace Ventura: "This is a lovely room of death"
@@adriannak2299 lmao
@@adriannak2299 i bet Ace Ventura would be a vegan for sure
This guy needs to get off TH-cam, he is all over the place. He doesn’t even know what he is saying
Answer: We need to put unrelenting pressure on this bastard and his sponsors.
He has a tatto on his wrist of the word "करुणा" which is Hindi for "compassion"!
Pftttt! Ugh! Facepalm!
@Olli Rolli Yea, he will say that compassion is subjective and it's what you want it to be.
@@davorbrijacak exactly thats why he didnt tattoo the word "vegan"
I assume he picked that room to film in to try and trigger vegans. He just wants to fit in with Catherine's family and he couldn't do it vegan because he made them feel uncomfortable. So to impress them he's convinced himself to hunt and kill innocent animals...such an apologist!
tru dat
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@@tiny9398 ......Living Vegan
I so agree with you. It seems that his wife’s family has a certain culture and he wants fit in% it’s Shameful
Next week: butcher box promo
Butcher box is awesome though
@MSD True and I'm also the one who evolved to thrive on an anomal based diet. Same as you btw.
@@Axiomatic75 "anomal" the state of modern carnism
He's claiming animal products are necessary for most, if not all people, whilst continuing to sell vegan meal plans?
in an interview with Primal Edge Health he said he would stop if it found it not suitable for most people as he would find it unethical. and in THIS video he said "i think it is necessary for MOST people if not EVERYONE to consume animal products". So lets see if he stays true to his word or if hes just trying to play both sides to get the most $$$
I guess his friend Nimai is a joke ?
@Patricia - he is a psychopath
@@lishr4536 But in the video prior to that, they said that almost everyone can and should be vegan.
@@suicune2001 yes, but the most recent video which he took down he said that he doesn't think that is possible for most people. lol. he is so fking confused
I was disowned by hunting family members for being vegan years ago. I'm still vegan...
Respect dude!
I imagine Jon was coerced into dropping veganism by his in-laws. They are avid hunters. Coincidence? I think not.
How long was Jon "vegan" for? I can't believe he is using arguments like these in 2020.
"How long was Jon "vegan" for?"
He wasn't.
He never was vegan because he viewed it as a diet which it isn't because it also avoids all forms of animal exploitation that is practical regarding non food products and services that involve animal exploitation.
He was plant based for 5 years (allegedly).
@@delevator8755 Well, he's been eating animal products behind the scenes for over a year so ehhh
@@delevator8755 It is true, he was plant based. He was about 80% plant based.
Holy cow, he just keeps digging a deeper hole for himself.
no wonder he has back pain issues
@@haroldwoodson1499 Oh Zing! Nice one. :D
He's so cringey and low-IQ. I'm embarrassed for him.
Not me. He deserves to pay a heavy, heavy, heavy PRICE.
nah you're just jealous he escaped the cult and is eating meat again
@@puttki he is a fraud. At least if he would have said, hey guys I am 80% plant based, and not hey I am vegan, but I am going to sneak some eggs here for my lunch, or some cheese for a little snack, then yeah, he is a fraud. He is a sellout and if you are fine with sellouts, well it does not say much about you.
@@bonchidude hahaha he never said "I'm Vegan but i'm eating eggs as well". He clearly stated he's no longer vegan and never spoke anything negative towards veganism. He has come to his senses that the vegan diet is not best suited for him and his family. I don't think he's a sellout if he was he would not come out and admit he's eating meat. A dishonest person or a sellout would continue claiming being a vegan and then eat meat secretly. It would be much more easier for him to do that
@@puttki That is what jon penus did for 5 years, act vegan but eat meat. Well, you are a shill and your paycheck demands that you remain ignorant. Why do you come to a vegan channel and be all offended? We are here minding our business but since you are a shill, there you are inserting your lint into the proceedings. MUTED
I dont know what happened to John. It looks like,that he had a lobotomy, his reasoning is the worst
Picked his nose a little too deep. Removed some chunks of brain 😂
Jon was always a massive moron. His only use to Veganism was a physique people could point to. He never did have anything intelligent or of substance to say.
Too much ayahuasca?? He lost it😅
Richard, we need a “Jon Venus | Worst of The Fitness Industry”
Indubitably!
Found your dope channel today!
Soular Ascent thank you!! Dropping a response to this video tomorrow! (Jon’s deleted video lol)
Lifting Vegan Logic Is Jon Venus even relevant enough in the wider context of the fitness industry for such consideration?
@@LiftingVeganLogic yeah i just subbed too buddy looking forward to the video
He literally is advocating for moral relativism LOL. So anyone can make their own morals and nothing is wrong. What??
Right, he is confusing moral subjectivism with moral relativism.
He isn't far off:
What is difference between ethics and moral?
Both morality and ethics loosely have to do with distinguishing the difference between “good and bad” or “right and wrong.” Many people think of morality as something that's personal and normative, whereas ethics is the standards of “good and bad” distinguished by a certain community or social setting.
But he is wrong anyway :D
Who can claim moral objectivity?
crazybbob I do, because I ‘feel’ that way about my morals.... 😂 (if you can’t get that this is exactly what moral relativism is you are funny)
eng. Miroslav Manahilov Wow good point! Didn’t see it that way, but it definitely has its merits.
This whole situation is awful.
It is. With these videos John is making, he is unfortunately making it worse. He needs to stop having these “ intellectual “ videos
@@CarlosCastro-oj4xd I was wondering if he thinks that these are some profound discussions to show his audience "his very genius logic" ... Omg, he's making it soooo much worse!!! 🤦🏼♀️🙄
@Craig _ he dropped veganism too lol
Awful? Yes it is. Didn’t you drop being vegan for the same vainglorious reason as Jon as supposed imaginary skin issues?
M a r i a A n g e l o v a facts!
I don’t know how people can go back to eating meat etc after knowing what happens to the animals. Plus after not eating animal products for so long the thought of eating flesh or drinking cows milk is disgusting I couldn’t do it without vomiting.
I'm vegan
I’m Turning vegan today just letting you know
Awesome best wishes bud
Good stuff👍
Heck yeah👌🌱
you're awesome
Smasssh those plantsssss
Makes me wonder if Jon beats his wife.
I think she's not the kind to put up with that. Otherwise he probably wouldn't find anything wrong with it.
No, she beats him.
I love how he uses yuval noah harari to support his "argument". I wonder if he actually understands what Harari meant and that he's a vegan!
he can't even read a book apparently.
Exactly what I was about to mention. He completely misunderstood what Harari was saying.
Luis Miguel Correia - he’s he’s lacto/ovo-pescatarian... not sure if that counts as vegan, but it is his own ethical stance
Came to the comments to say this exact thing.
Vegan Gains dont be so harsh to him,he is a special boy.
he is hot.
catherine is just as bad though, she fully supports this non-sense.
also, that room is disgusting and makes me want to throw up, i'm so sick and tired of the venus family
Katherine has always scared me. She looks dead inside
I think it started from her. Her dad is a hunter. I think it’s all her idea and he just falls for it.
I can feel his anxiety while he talks to the camera.
Yeah, he fears the wrath of you vegan idiots.
Yaaaa the outro is back !!!!!!!!!!
kRS-1 baby!!!
Bout time
Why am I even remotely surprised that he would push such weak arguments that he surely *knows* by now are fallacious and nonsensical
He certainly wasn't a lad!
@@jenerlee Absolutely not!
He has always been weak sauce.
He's not smart enough to know his arguments are fallacious and nonsensical.
Almost can’t believe he’s trying to talk about ethics. Does he want to get shredded even more by everyone? At this point I think this is for that kind of attention.
His view count is way higher now compared to a month, it's all so contrived.
why shouldn't he talk about ethics? ^^ are only vegans allowed to do so? :D
@@viktormuller83 it obviously makes more sense when vegans talk about it and is absolutely useless if non-vegans talk about something they don't act upon. you know, if a rapist talks about feminism... it's just gonna be complete nonsense coming out of his mouth!
@@viktormuller83 no everyone can talk about ethics, but non vegans make asses of themselves most times cause they have no clue
SLockshin yeah and when a TH-camr gets attention they get views and when they get views they get money . He quite smart actually
Lmaoooo he did NOT say that 🤣 Jon is dumb af
Exactly
Exactly
Jasmine, you look different.
It’s just kinda weird because veganism is an ethical standpoint. Itd be as if someone was conditioned to hold a racist or homophobic mindset, then realizing that we are all equal, then suddenly believing racism and homophobia is okay again. Just kinda weird
Like a 10 year old doing a poorly written speech
A little insulting....to ten year olds
most 10 year olds do quite a lot of research for presentations and they usually do a pretty good job for their age
Jon clearly did not do his research and just speaks without really saying anything. so i would say... a big insult to the 10 year olds who work hard
"Right and wrong is subjective so in my experience I feel we need animal products to be healthy." (paraphrased). This guy needs an appointment with a professional psychologist. Seriously, what is the cause for such excessive stupidity? If someone felt fine eating rocks, and most things are subjective, does that mean that the human diet requires rocks? There is a reason why scientific literature exists! Experimentation allows us to have an evidence-based approach to life. What does the literature say? "Appropriately planned vegan diets are suitable for all stages of life." Jon, just go see a medical professional about mental health. These videos are just sad.
The problem with that is that most of the world would need to see a professional psychologist - who wouldn't be likely to be able to help them, it must be added.
Most people - including most vegans - have little if any idea how to determine what a right is.
That much is clear and can be objectively determined simply by observing the state of the world and the condition of the humans in it.
Jon Venus should serve as a wake up call for the vegan movement, not merely as an object of mockery.
How does someone fall this far and do a complete 180?
Finally come to his senses.
Arizona Animal what senses? Shooting animals for no reason?
Without death there's no life.
@@MrImaghost, Christian logic right there. Are you a Young Earth Creationist, too?
i'm not Christian,that's just fact of life.
Jon has become one of the most unattractive “men” out there. Reminds me of an amoeba.
Jon is extremely smooth brained.
That's ironic because his face isn't smooth lol.
sam griffin just 1-2 lines
Jon is a classic narcissist. He hits all of the classic traits. From MayoClinic. Org
Narcissistic personality disorder - one of several types of personality disorders - is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.
Boom goes the dynamite
If mental gymnastics was an Olympic sport, JV could win the gold 🧠🤸🏻♂️🥇
He falls on his way down each time.
The twisting his impressive, but he is to inconsistent and always fails the straight landing.
If Jon says that the science on nutrition is sketchy and we cant come to any conclusions then the same would have to be said for either side of the coin. That would mean the science on omnivorous diets would also be moot. Hes such a complete twit
He has the right to believe neither side of the fence is obviously right. He also has the right to choose which side to be on.
Wait.. so now he decides to hunt and suddenly has a shitload of mounts hanging in his room? 😳😳 He went full in
He was never vegan lol... dude had eggs and shit in his fridge the entire time in the background of his videos.
@@theskorpian I know, and I really used to look up to the guy!
@Slightly Crazy Vegan should've been a red flag for me years ago
@Slightly Crazy Vegan They are gross, l would think most meat eaters wouldn't find that crap appealing.
Omg no no no.. jon venus has such a low IQ that he tries to sound cultural by mentioning yuval harari. His books are too complex for Jon venus for him to even begin to understand his ideas.
He wasn't "plant based" he ate a junk food plant diet. If he had a healthy plant diet, he wouldn't be so omniconfused now.
@@0GreenFaerie0 True Holly and at the point the diet includes plant junk food, that's not a plant based diet for "health." This while he claimed he cared about animals. So, he is lying either way. A true vegan and a true plant based dieter (for health) don't go back to consuming meat.
The philosophical titan that is Jon Venus. I feel my brain leaking out of my ears with each passing second listening to him speak.
'Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.'
So it's cool if people are racist, sexist, homophobic? Nice world we would live in if we accepted that philosophy, John.
Vegan Gains call it eating animals or eating animal flesh. It’s more accurate than meat since it can be plant-based or lab-grown now.
True. We've always called the flesh of coconuts 'meat'.
@@rebeccaspratling2865 Not just coconuts. But yes, flesh is more accurate for animals.
Jon saw that hunter chic debate Earthling Ed a while back, and found her arguments compelling.
That hunter chick argued that people would become monkeys if we stop eating animal meat LMAO I died laughing at that
Yeah she's jons intellectual league 😂
lmao
I also got more acnes and minor digestion issues since I went vegan, it's not even clear that it's diet-related. But there's no way in the world I would stop being vegan because of these things.
Nobody should sacrifice health for ethics though, but I understand quitting veganism is an extremely hard thing to do
@@JustBGunn well it's not even serious health issue. It could be fixed using a healthier vegan diet. But because I went vegan for ethics, my diet is not always super healthy. But even my not so healthy vegan diet now is healthier than my non vegan diet in the past.
Are you overloading on B12? Some people get acne if they have too much B12 in their diet. High fat diets can also do the same thing.
@@JustBGunn i think in order to be healthy we should eat food. and animals are not food. They are animals. Animals have their own purpose to live.
Second the B12 comment, you might want to try smaller but more frequent doses and see if it changes anything
Jon “the wife beater” Venus
Jon “mental gymnastic” Venus
Love the way you say "Hi everyone!"
I agree 😂
Yeah, so Torontonian.😄
🤣😅🤣😅
Jon the fake vegan ...
0:54 This is all the evidence I need to tell me that jon venu$ was NEVER vegan!
Yeah! Never was one! A legend in his own mind!
Oh god. He really is making himself look so dumb
So he says morality is subjective then proceeds to say morality is defined by the majority, therefore quantifiable and objective? Tf
I doubt he even read the book.
Just two days ago he still plugged his vegan mealplans, I guess that is out of the window now, that "almost no one can be healthy and vegan", right Jon? Right? I also assume that the people who paid for this service in the past will all get a refund, since you must think you ruined their health - right Jon?
He still sells vegan mealplans. He also says a vegan diet can be healthy for MOST people, but he might be the 2% which it doesnt apply to
MoonCherryLove Did you watch the video?
@@MoonCherryLove that's not what he said in this one. And either way, move of it is logically (or morally) consistent.
Imagine actually paying for a vegan plan from Jon after this display of pure scumbaggery
I have mixed feelings about the whole situation. On the one side Im like:
"Im fine with this. Let the carnivore/hunter community handle this dumdum. He made vegans look bad often enough in the past" [for example when he was over at Bobbys chanel (I was actually embarrassed to be on the same team with him for 5 min.)].
On the other side , its sad that he will needlessly kill animals again.
1:31 i always said that Jon is not very intelligent back in the days :) not hating him back then but yea...
JV: I am going to eat meat
VG: I am going to destroy this man's whole diet
He played vegan for the views. Now he's not, for the views. The guy's a moron.
No, now he's even more for the views. He milked the industry as much as he can. Now he's going for narrative and angle for money and views.
I got Jon's notification of his video, but when I went to watch it, it turned out he had removed it. Curious...
He's literally talking in a room decorated with antlers ....
He's actually so stupid!
I am confused. I thought Vegan Gains believed that morality was ultimately subjective. That there can be no objective standard to judge whether an action is morally bad or good? Morallity is either a cultural product where the subjects adopt it or each subject makes their own norms. How are we to judge who has a leg to stand on Vegan Gains or Jon Venus. From my point of view it just seems like one subjectivist fighting with another subjectivist struggling for power and control over the label of the "good".
Can someone enlighten me here?
To those who argue "humans have always ate meat", I argue back reminding them that we also only lived up to 40. Soo.. yeah. Evolution/scientific research happens, and we should be continuing to evolve according to such.
Humans evolved to thrive on meat. We've been eating meat for 3 million years, since before we even were human.
@@Axiomatic75 To get to where we are, true. But to actually thrive and live longer, more fufilling lives we've learned to adapt to plants. The livliest elders always mention plant based lifestyles. Not to mention research.🕊😚🌱
Stupid
@@prussianbluephantom3968 Sorry but that doesn't make any sense. We evolved to eat mostly meat, indeed it is the reason why the size of our brains doubled within just a few hundred thousand years. Why would any diet other than the one we evolved to thrive on be better? We've only been eating grains for a few thousand years, in evolutionary terms that's nothing. As to your claim that we thrive and live longer when eating plants: The longest-lived people in the world are the people of Hong Kong. Who eats the most meat? Also the people of Hong Kong (almost 600g per day on average). If meat wasn't healthy they wouldn't live that long.
Source:
www.carnivoreisvegan.com/hong-kong-long-life-eat-meat/
How convenient slash stupid that he “forgot” one of the major concepts of what he calls “our right to do what we believe is right”, which is that you have the right to follow your own free will AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT KNOWINGLY HARM SOMEONE ELSE (and this goes back to frickin Plato and then Kant). Well, Jon, since your newest choice equals pain, torture and death for thousands of sentient beings, you are not exempt from being criticised for what you call your “personal choice”.
Lol you love destroying this guy don’t lie
He got beaten by his wife, because of that, he deleted the video.
Thanks to all these responses, I don't have to give Jon lil Penus views.
Dude clearly hasn't been gifted with intelligence. And in spite of him not being plant based anymore, I don't think his skin looks that great.
The background he chooses though, he is just baiting you.
Ace Ventura would lose his mind ...
Narcissistic Vacuous Venus
this guys is a prime example of people who fall to the "Ignorance is bliss" saying
I am almost certain that Jon was coerced into dropping veganism by his in-laws. They are avid hunters. Coincidence? I think not.
Jon Venus's last 15 minutes are nearly up. He was literally popping into the livestream chat of Mic The Vegan asking for a debate and Mic was like 'nah'. Jon can sense this is his last gasp before he's gone from relevance.
My family has a long tradition of SS officers specialized in hunting and killing what they call Untermenschen and you know what, after listening to Jon’s new videos I must admit that he is right in what he said so I decided that I will follow the path of my father and older brothers and I will become an SS officer. Before I thought that killing humans in general was bad but really who am I to judge ? After all, just for existing, we all cause suffering and death to other sentient beings wether we want it or not so killing some humans on top of that is not a big deal. Also if you think about it since humans are overpopulated killing them has a positive impact in in the world
“Exactly.” -Jon Venus, probably
His motivation is for the $$$. It would have been so much better if he would just have said he was tired of being vegan or he is dropping out because of a new contract. Just be honest and not a bunch of B.S.!!!
Has Jon been paid to cast doubt?! Omg he's being ridiculous 🤦🏼♀️
He most definitely has. He recently obtained a sponsorship from a non-vegan supplement company
The only doubt he's casting is "how is it even possible for him to keep digging this hole of his any deeper?"
@@carinaekstrom1 trust me, i ask myself that all the time!
@@TheSwiftScript he sure did!! 🤦🏼♀️
Jon fertilized a woman, has a baby with her so now he has to obey her and her parents, who are hunters as he apparently makes this video from their living room. He is financially and emotionally dependant on them as he lives with them so he must obey what they say. Period.
I believe if he didn't have a baby and was free and independent, he wouldn't do this bs.
*Facts And Logic Destroy Jon Venus Nonsense Every Time*
Tru dat.
@@PerpetuallyAnnoyed Tru, tru dat.
Thank you for acknowledging he was never vegan.
I just wanted to say I have an interesting response to Jon on my small channel aswell, and I'm uploading my response to Jons deleted video tomorrow.
The dumber Jon Venus gets, the better the Vegan Gains’ reaction 😂
I hope his family has disowned him because that level of stupidity is embarrassing.
Not too long ago Jon venus did a debate with the carnivore dummies and got absolutely destroyed, do you think that has anything to do with his transition?
not first
Hey Richard do you know why ThinkAboutThis removed all of his videos?
Thank you for making this video. Jon deserves all the criticism. Every consequitive video of his is more terrible than the previous one. WTF is wrong with him?! He seems to have lost it!!! 🤦🏼♀️🙄
I love how you are just so done with people's bullshit. Thank you for being so passionate and not being afraid to call people out on their stupidity
17:35 that is literally how nazi germany came to be.. lmao
yes by evil superiority complex over others and stupidity
Jon and Frank Tufano cooking video collab coming soon.
Jon is simply acting out for attention because he knows he'll never be as tall, smart, or attractive as his brother Leo. 😔
The word murder only applies to humans, unless you have your own vegan definitions
JON INTRAVENOUS
jon UrAnus
Lol
It became too exhausting for him to continue because his lifestyle is drastically different than the people he lives with. Peer pressure is very powerful. That being said, nobody respects a flip flopper.
Yeah, peer pressure is powerful. Then again, consider all the vegans who changed their lifestyles to reflect their morals despite not having a single other vegan within their social circle. Jon is just a pathetic weakling.
@@Dearmylove_i indeed, most vegans don't have the luxury of having vegan social circles, let alone living in vegan households.
@@delevator8755 and? you can be friend white a not vegan person . Jon was " vegan" for money now veganism is not the trend.
Yes and the poor guy is definitely suffering while biting into a rib eye steak with a side of cheesy potatoes.
Jon should just admit that he’s eating meat because he likes the taste, rather than hiding it behind a load of verbal diarrhoea.
i assume he is gonna get his meat by hunting so its not just the taste its also the amount of fun it is to hunt its a great hobby
He’s sitting in a room filled with antlers. That is fucking sick 🤮.
Connor Murphy hasn’t lost the plot, Jon Venus has!