What Is Predestination??
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Great video bro, you articulated this 200% better than any of Ligonier's videos on this
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Always great to see these videos, this one was awesome!
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Yeah, Arminianism can technically explain some of those passages, but then they really don't make any sense. If we chose to believe in God and hold fast to him, how does it mean anything to say that we were chosen and elected by God? If we are the choosers, we can't be the ones chosen.
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Great video I really liked hearing what you had to say as always!
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Have you read all of Irenaeus? It's clear he did not believe in calvin's doctrine of predestination. He states that faith is within a person's power. That humans have free will and that people can voluntarily forfeit salvation. He certainly teaches contrary to the calvinist scheme all throughout.
For example he teaches that a true believer can commit apostasy: 'For as, among men, those sons who disobey their fathers, being disinherited, are still their sons in the course of nature, but by law are disinherited, for they do not become the heirs of their natural parents; so in the same way is it with God - those who do not obey Him being disinherited by Him, have ceased to be His sons.
'But these are, at the same time, all created by the one and the same God. When, however, they believe and are subject to God, and go on and keep His doctrine, they are the sons of God; but when they have apostatized and fallen into transgression, they are ascribed to their chief, the devil- to him who first became the cause of apostasy to himself, and afterwards to others.'
Against Heresies Book IV Chapters 3+4
Further teaching that is clearly contrary to the calvinist scheme: 'This expression [of our Lord], “How often would I have gathered thy children together, and thou wouldest not,” set forth the ancient law of human liberty, because God made man a free [agent] from the beginning, possessing his own power, even as he does his own soul, to obey the behests of God voluntarily, and not by compulsion of God. For there is no coercion with God, but a good will [towards us] is present with Him continually. And therefore does He give good counsel to all. And in man, as well as in angels, He has placed the power of choice (for angels are rational beings), so that those who had yielded obedience might justly possess what is good, given indeed by God, but preserved by themselves On the other hand, they who have not obeyed shall, with justice, be not found in possession of the good, and shall receive punishment: for God did kindly bestow on them what was good; but they themselves did not diligently keep it, nor deem it something precious, but poured contempt upon His super-eminent goodness. - Against Heresies, 4.37:1
Quite an informative video
Great video, subscribed from zoomers channel. Only had left audio on headphones, sounded fine out of phone though.