Wow this is so much neater. I remember when I got my Karoo 2 I absolutely hated the thing. It had so much potential that wasn't being utilised....this...this is not a step but a giant leap to unlocking its potential. well done!!! I genuinely am impressed at how far it's come
Thanks for the update Shane! Kudos to Hammerhead and SRAM for an amazing update on the head unit. However, I haven't purchased the Karoo 2 due to the issues you have stated e.g. battery life and data record issues. Looking forward to seeing the new Stages head unit when they arrive. I hope that they have something special. 👍🚴
Yep, there's a few things they need to tidy house with. I didn't want to (again) bang-on about my list of things in this video... but I did touch on them. :) RE: Stages DASH updates. I don't think they'll be a revolutionary leap forward from the M50/L50.
@@gplama it's guys like you which I am thankful for, who love the sport with a passion which can help consumers and the industry experts produce better products. I'm quite disappointed to hear Stages are not going to up their game in the head unit competition. I was hoping that they may get on board with more Strava integrated features etc.
I'm not entirely sure that battery life is a huge issue. I routinely get about an 8% battery "decay" per hour... so the battery life will equate to 9-11 hours, even though I have PM/Cadence sensosr (three different brands on three different bikes), Di2, Varia, HRM, and Spd/Distance sensors on almost every ride. Not often I ride 9-11 hours, and I suspect I'm not unique in that. As pointed out, battery life can be elongated by using "Battery Save" mode, which I quite often do to break my habit of looking at my head unit and not the road. I suspect that Karoo's battery life has become more of an issue because it is displayed quite prominently on the screen and that people (like me) start to panic when it goes down. I really think it would be unusual to run a fully charge Karoo to zero. I will note that I also quite often don't charge the Karoo between shorter rides, but I do try to make sure I have a full charge for long rides.
@@johntonetti1521I have added a small battery booster on my handlebars and connected it to my Wahoo unit serves 2 functions one i don't need to take my head unit off each time to charge it and keeps the charging port sealed i would have added a picture if i knew how (just remembered it also served to charge someone’s Di2 on the road)
The estimate metres remaining makes sense to me if you think in terms of altitude from where you are to the endpoint, when you go downhill you then have more elevation still to climb to get to the end. Hopefully Garmin can add an equivalent function.
I would love an anti-climber version of this that gives route options ranked by climbing difficulty (gradient - length - elevation) so us no-so-lightweight non-climbers can avoid them =D
This will work really well where I live, since there's usually only one way to get on a climb, not a lot of grid-type roads where the important climbs are.
Should be noted that predictive climb seems to only work if the base map includes a marked trail. I've done several gravel rides where climbs have not been detected, the difference being no 'dotted' trail line, ie 'off-piste' random gravel riding could be hit or miss.
I’ve abandoned the Garmin ship and ordered one of these. My friends swear by it. On the Garmin it underrated my elevation by 30-40% per ride, I have to correct via Strava base map. Also, 50% of the time, live segments don’t fire. I have tried everything but it’s so buggy and non user friendly. Can’t wait to try the Karoo 2!
Given this should be a software update only I truly hope that this is the kick in the butt that garmin seems to need to make the change. Fingers crossed that this gets them into action as really, I want data on the fly, I don't ride routes. BTW - that course is one of my favourites for climb training.
As a new Road cyclist. I am new to these cycle computers. Bought what I thought was the best (garmin 1040) but I don’t get the hype. It’s like using a 12 year old smart phone with a crap screen. I mean I don’t remember the last time I could visibly see pixels in a device that costs me 600. Shocking. I was going to get the Karoo 2 but since I watched your video on them dropping di2 support I decided against it. Still considering selling the 1040 and just going for the Karoo. Looks far superior IMO
Since the SRAM acquisition so much stuff has been fixed and bugs been squashed. This feature release also bodes very well. I'll definitely be buying one on next hardware revision (i.e. post SRAM hardware), after getting rid of my K2 very quickly.
The software is still the same on the karoo 1. Hardware wise the only thing I would like to see is better battery life and more compact. So I would say, just get the karoo 2. It will be a while until a new one comes out.
With SRAM backing, I think Karoo has a very bright future ahead. With more money behind them I am sure their next unit will address battery life and with their continual updates, I am sure their data logging will improve.
Nice feature. I've thought about buying the Karoo several times. But I'm waiting to see what Wahoo offers with the Roam V2, which should be out this year (I hope).
From all the reviews i'm seeing lately i think my next bike computer will be a Hamerhead those guys push updates constantly and i guess if there is a issue they acknowledge it won't take 5 months like on my Wahoo for the fix to come
Game changer! The product manager was listening to Shane's feature request. I am serious about buying this now. @Shane would you use Karoo 2 as your main riding computer?
Thanks for the video and certainly an interesting feature. I love the look of that Watts/Speed/Cadence image in the lower left hand corner. I'm wondering (A) where did you get it from? (B) do you know if that is a copyright design? Thanks for your content as it is always a great view as I pick up so many bits of valuable information including during your ride broadcasts.
Garmin Virb Edit for Windows or Mac. You can overlay any recorded sensor data onto any video feed (manually if the device wasn’t a Garmin Virb, but still easy to do). Shane even has a vid about it too. Virb Ultra 30 go for so cheap now too I have 3 now & the Virb 360 haha
Do you need the map screen set up with elevation on the bottom of the screen for this to work or will it automatically load at the bottom of the screen if I have only the map on view thanks
I agree Shane its brilliant compared to the hassle of loading routes prior in k2 - now there's one more game changer and I think it would be possible, ETA on climb, what you reckon? Finally ... there's one major concern I have: the inability to see the screen in high UV. Is it just me or have you noticed the glare reflection off the screen is like the Sun on our bald heads, simply can't see the screen. not sure what to do, maybe a smart phone like protector I don't know.
Climb ETA: Maybe. It'll really depend on the climb, conditions, and metrics they use to estimate the ETA. Screen in sunlight: It's an issue I have here too. See th-cam.com/video/NHOv_ojCkYY/w-d-xo.html
@@gplama although I should have mentioned if you load in a route, then you get meters and distance info to top of climb, can't see why the VAM rate couldn't give an ETA, reckon that'll be the next feature update for climbing.
I have a Karoo 2 and i like a lot of things about it, but i really have trouble seeing the screen, especially with the sun shining on it.........any tips to make it clearer or more visible? Thanks for the review of the new feature!!!
I like these extra's that HH or Garmin give, but... I do mostly structured rides and then I have to keep a certain wattage or respect an average wattage. What I'm going at is; whenever climber or garmin version pops up, you can't see any data anymore of what you are pushing. Is that something that could be addressed or is it a take it or leave it option?
Wow, this feature is big. After all navigation devices were initially designed to lead you through unknown terrain, or so I like to think. If you premade the route, you might as well remember most of it, including the climb. This new climber feature will help you to pace the effort better, even in unknown terrain. So what's the main nickles left regarding the Karoo 2? I know their data base is not the most accurate. I hope they fix that and I can finally motivate myself to invest those 400€ for the device.
Issues I have with the Karoo units: Battery burn rate, no BLE data connectivity, lack of sensor support, no recording gearing data (Di2/eTap), and a few other things.
Doubt whether those units have the computational power to do this detection on the fly... The Karoo has quite beefy hardware if I'm not mistaken. The trade off is battery life / a rather big head unit.
I think Garmin are best positioned to do this. They already have popularity routing overlays on their maps. As for the computational capacity (that Lukas brings up).... I'm not so sure it'd be possible with their existing hardware.
Dunno. The Garmin units can detect Strava segment starts on the fly. This is not much different, except that you have to store these climbs somewhere in advance. Btw, if Garmin is working on this, they should enable Strava segments while navigating with the same update.
The information in the bottom left is from one of the FIT files recorded on the Karoo units. This is combined with the GoPro footage and using VIRB Edit for the overlays.
I've side-loaded AZ Screen Recorder on the Karoo units. I then use Final Cut on the Mac and VIRB Edit on Windows to combine everything together and put the recorded overlays on screen. It's a bit of work to get together.
Been looking for new head unit and the karoo 2 is really ticking all The boxes. I know battery life isn't great but never ride more than 4-5 hours and is like half the price of a 1030 in NZ.
Still too soon. I suspect the first thing we'll see from that is SRAM AXS Web integration and eTap data recording (which the Karoo units don't currently do).
LOL 😂 at everyone in the comments still using prehistoric Garmin devices. Time for an upgrade boys. Monochrome, non-touchscreens aren’t where it’s at. Maybe in 2005. I’d be shocked if Hammerheard, now with SRAMs backing, doesn’t have a blanket of patents on Climber and other features. Garmin devices will never get anything even close to this. Karoo2 is a revolution. Since day one.
Since day one? That's a stretch. Even now I find it somewhat embarrassing they don't support what I'd consider basic core functionality like recording Di2/eTap/etc data to the FIT file, BLE data connectivity (who tf wants to buy another SIM card!?), extended sensor support, and a web dashboard that's from your quoted 2005 era. Garmin wipes the floor with everyone for depth of features and eco-system. They have their own developer platform anyone can use. Also InReach. Wahoo has mopped up pissed off Garmin owners with a simple interface/setup/user experience. Hammerhead are doing good things...but they have ground to make up to be on-par with the others. Climber is a clear winner for them. They need to keep moving forward.
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The most fascinating thing about this video is the landscape and the total absence of traffic whatsoever. What a dream!
I hope this is the start of many super features now SRAM are in control. Thanks for the heads up, Shane.
It truly is a "gold standard" development, as I imagine this feature will be wanted on all head units. I know I want it on my Garmin
Hope that the same feature that inevitably garmin will have will be available to the x30 edge series, it’s fantastic
Wow this is so much neater. I remember when I got my Karoo 2 I absolutely hated the thing. It had so much potential that wasn't being utilised....this...this is not a step but a giant leap to unlocking its potential. well done!!!
I genuinely am impressed at how far it's come
Thanks for the update Shane! Kudos to Hammerhead and SRAM for an amazing update on the head unit. However, I haven't purchased the Karoo 2 due to the issues you have stated e.g. battery life and data record issues. Looking forward to seeing the new Stages head unit when they arrive. I hope that they have something special. 👍🚴
Yep, there's a few things they need to tidy house with. I didn't want to (again) bang-on about my list of things in this video... but I did touch on them. :)
RE: Stages DASH updates. I don't think they'll be a revolutionary leap forward from the M50/L50.
@@gplama it's guys like you which I am thankful for, who love the sport with a passion which can help consumers and the industry experts produce better products.
I'm quite disappointed to hear Stages are not going to up their game in the head unit competition. I was hoping that they may get on board with more Strava integrated features etc.
I'm not entirely sure that battery life is a huge issue. I routinely get about an 8% battery "decay" per hour... so the battery life will equate to 9-11 hours, even though I have PM/Cadence sensosr (three different brands on three different bikes), Di2, Varia, HRM, and Spd/Distance sensors on almost every ride. Not often I ride 9-11 hours, and I suspect I'm not unique in that. As pointed out, battery life can be elongated by using "Battery Save" mode, which I quite often do to break my habit of looking at my head unit and not the road.
I suspect that Karoo's battery life has become more of an issue because it is displayed quite prominently on the screen and that people (like me) start to panic when it goes down. I really think it would be unusual to run a fully charge Karoo to zero.
I will note that I also quite often don't charge the Karoo between shorter rides, but I do try to make sure I have a full charge for long rides.
@@johntonetti1521I have added a small battery booster on my handlebars and connected it to my Wahoo unit serves 2 functions one i don't need to take my head unit off each time to charge it and keeps the charging port sealed i would have added a picture if i knew how (just remembered it also served to charge someone’s Di2 on the road)
Just updated today and also loved it. Tried a new route in the middle of an old favorite and the climb profile was great.
The estimate metres remaining makes sense to me if you think in terms of altitude from where you are to the endpoint, when you go downhill you then have more elevation still to climb to get to the end. Hopefully Garmin can add an equivalent function.
I would love an anti-climber version of this that gives route options ranked by climbing difficulty (gradient - length - elevation) so us no-so-lightweight non-climbers can avoid them =D
Finally. A truly unique feature that really shows what Karoo can do.
Actually SRAM/Karoo. Same with other things they both and improved.
I hope Wahoo are taking note. Would be a good function for a Roam v2!
just received mine and can't wait to take it out for a ride
this is getting close to a replacement for my original wahoo elements, looking forward to upcoming updates
Great feature to see, will look forward to trying it out, and agree completely can’t wait to see Gear data and pedal dynamics recorded!! 👍🏻
This will work really well where I live, since there's usually only one way to get on a climb, not a lot of grid-type roads where the important climbs are.
Your videos are really selling me on the Hammerhead computer, looks like a solid alternative product!
Should be noted that predictive climb seems to only work if the base map includes a marked trail. I've done several gravel rides where climbs have not been detected, the difference being no 'dotted' trail line, ie 'off-piste' random gravel riding could be hit or miss.
Great feature, let’s hope Garmin follow suit. I didn’t realise until very recently that the Climb screen only appears when on a pre-planned route!
Thanks for the news, Shane. Update in progress on Karoo 2. Looking forward to testing the feature.
Ww need this functionality on the Garmin Edge range. It's definitely set a new benchmark like you say.
I’ve abandoned the Garmin ship and ordered one of these. My friends swear by it.
On the Garmin it underrated my elevation by 30-40% per ride, I have to correct via Strava base map. Also, 50% of the time, live segments don’t fire. I have tried everything but it’s so buggy and non user friendly. Can’t wait to try the Karoo 2!
Love my Karoo 2, and I am excited to use this feature. Wish they would finally build an integration with Today's Plan though...
Add trainerroad to the integration wish list as well.
@@hamilton237 Think that has to come from TrainerRoad. It would be good to be able to import/export though for several training products.
Given this should be a software update only I truly hope that this is the kick in the butt that garmin seems to need to make the change. Fingers crossed that this gets them into action as really, I want data on the fly, I don't ride routes. BTW - that course is one of my favourites for climb training.
As a new Road cyclist. I am new to these cycle computers. Bought what I thought was the best (garmin 1040) but I don’t get the hype. It’s like using a 12 year old smart phone with a crap screen. I mean I don’t remember the last time I could visibly see pixels in a device that costs me 600. Shocking. I was going to get the Karoo 2 but since I watched your video on them dropping di2 support I decided against it. Still considering selling the 1040 and just going for the Karoo. Looks far superior IMO
Since the SRAM acquisition so much stuff has been fixed and bugs been squashed. This feature release also bodes very well. I'll definitely be buying one on next hardware revision (i.e. post SRAM hardware), after getting rid of my K2 very quickly.
Karoo 3 is gonna be the one to wait for.
The software is still the same on the karoo 1. Hardware wise the only thing I would like to see is better battery life and more compact. So I would say, just get the karoo 2. It will be a while until a new one comes out.
With SRAM backing, I think Karoo has a very bright future ahead. With more money behind them I am sure their next unit will address battery life and with their continual updates, I am sure their data logging will improve.
You need more than 10 hrs battery life?
@@RaisedonTwoWheels no. I don’t. But it seems to be one of the most common complaints.
@@triscuitbiscuit 10 hours new will turn into 4 hours in a couple of years....
Nice feature. I've thought about buying the Karoo several times. But I'm waiting to see what Wahoo offers with the Roam V2, which should be out this year (I hope).
From all the reviews i'm seeing lately i think my next bike computer will be a Hamerhead those guys push updates constantly and i guess if there is a issue they acknowledge it won't take 5 months like on my Wahoo for the fix to come
I suggested this feature to Hammerhead tech support during a zoom call two years ago. I'm delighted to see they took me up.
Game changer! The product manager was listening to Shane's feature request. I am serious about buying this now. @Shane would you use Karoo 2 as your main riding computer?
No. It still has a few missing 'features' that means I can't use it as my everyday head unit.
@@gplama What are the main missing "features"? I just pulled the trigger on Karoo 2. :)
@@davidchung7597 Too late now. I've covered a few of them in a recent Festive 500 video.
Thanks for the video and certainly an interesting feature.
I love the look of that Watts/Speed/Cadence image in the lower left hand corner. I'm wondering (A) where did you get it from? (B) do you know if that is a copyright design?
Thanks for your content as it is always a great view as I pick up so many bits of valuable information including during your ride broadcasts.
Garmin Virb Edit for Windows or Mac. You can overlay any recorded sensor data onto any video feed (manually if the device wasn’t a Garmin Virb, but still easy to do). Shane even has a vid about it too. Virb Ultra 30 go for so cheap now too I have 3 now & the Virb 360 haha
Looking forward to your review of the Stages M200!
should I get one? I have the original bolt v1 and the original 1030.
Do you need the map screen set up with elevation on the bottom of the screen for this to work or will it automatically load at the bottom of the screen if I have only the map on view thanks
I agree Shane its brilliant compared to the hassle of loading routes prior in k2 - now there's one more game changer and I think it would be possible, ETA on climb, what you reckon? Finally ... there's one major concern I have: the inability to see the screen in high UV. Is it just me or have you noticed the glare reflection off the screen is like the Sun on our bald heads, simply can't see the screen. not sure what to do, maybe a smart phone like protector I don't know.
Climb ETA: Maybe. It'll really depend on the climb, conditions, and metrics they use to estimate the ETA.
Screen in sunlight: It's an issue I have here too. See th-cam.com/video/NHOv_ojCkYY/w-d-xo.html
@@gplama although I should have mentioned if you load in a route, then you get meters and distance info to top of climb, can't see why the VAM rate couldn't give an ETA, reckon that'll be the next feature update for climbing.
Great Video. Is there a way to receive notifications for Hammerhead Updates? I know they are every second week but i tend to forget
They email me
@@talonlan Email support that you aren't getting email updates and they will make sure you do. I had this problem with our team units.
I have a Karoo 2 and i like a lot of things about it, but i really have trouble seeing the screen, especially with the sun shining on it.........any tips to make it clearer or more visible? Thanks for the review of the new feature!!!
Agreed. I covered this on my of my recent Festive 500 videos when the sun was directly overhead. No solutions I'm aware of for this one.
Just put antireflective foil on the screen. You can find them on eBay. Works perfectly.
That is pretty cool
Shane, they seem to listen too you. Can you wish for Di2 chainring change alert in full synchro? Thanks.
One for their support/request forums.
I like these extra's that HH or Garmin give, but... I do mostly structured rides and then I have to keep a certain wattage or respect an average wattage. What I'm going at is; whenever climber or garmin version pops up, you can't see any data anymore of what you are pushing. Is that something that could be addressed or is it a take it or leave it option?
The screens are customisable for what you're after on the HH. The Garmin implementation needs an overhaul.
Finger out time for Wahoo
Wow, this feature is big. After all navigation devices were initially designed to lead you through unknown terrain, or so I like to think. If you premade the route, you might as well remember most of it, including the climb. This new climber feature will help you to pace the effort better, even in unknown terrain.
So what's the main nickles left regarding the Karoo 2? I know their data base is not the most accurate. I hope they fix that and I can finally motivate myself to invest those 400€ for the device.
Issues I have with the Karoo units: Battery burn rate, no BLE data connectivity, lack of sensor support, no recording gearing data (Di2/eTap), and a few other things.
One Question, will it work when your NOT in Maps?
It also comes up when you are not on the maps screen, yes.
Confirmed, pops up just as it would when following a route.
What is over under bet on date same feature in Garmin? In Wahoo?
Doubt whether those units have the computational power to do this detection on the fly... The Karoo has quite beefy hardware if I'm not mistaken. The trade off is battery life / a rather big head unit.
I think Garmin are best positioned to do this. They already have popularity routing overlays on their maps. As for the computational capacity (that Lukas brings up).... I'm not so sure it'd be possible with their existing hardware.
Dunno. The Garmin units can detect Strava segment starts on the fly. This is not much different, except that you have to store these climbs somewhere in advance.
Btw, if Garmin is working on this, they should enable Strava segments while navigating with the same update.
Wahoo where r u ?
I am incredibly confused as to why Wahoo doesn't have a climb feature yet.
Does it work in zwift ?
No
What do you use to record your ride and how do you get the info on the bottom left of the screen?
I´m interested in this informations as well...
The information in the bottom left is from one of the FIT files recorded on the Karoo units. This is combined with the GoPro footage and using VIRB Edit for the overlays.
@@gplama any chance you could do a TH-cam clip on how to do it?
@@renson326806 th-cam.com/video/s5v9ZCwcung/w-d-xo.html
@shanemiller I would like to know how you capture the Karoo I and II on your screen and sync it with your GoPro?
I've side-loaded AZ Screen Recorder on the Karoo units. I then use Final Cut on the Mac and VIRB Edit on Windows to combine everything together and put the recorded overlays on screen. It's a bit of work to get together.
@@gplama thank you.
Been looking for new head unit and the karoo 2 is really ticking all The boxes. I know battery life isn't great but never ride more than 4-5 hours and is like half the price of a 1030 in NZ.
I personally love my Karoo 2. I never find battery life an issue since I am not doing 10 hour rides.
I wonder if these new features come as a result of SRAM acquiring Hammerhead and putting more money in R&D.
Still too soon. I suspect the first thing we'll see from that is SRAM AXS Web integration and eTap data recording (which the Karoo units don't currently do).
How you record the screen of the Karoo?
Sideloaded AZ Screen Recorder
noice.
We need TrainerRoad integration please.
Does this require the phone card? They are killing 3G here and the K1 uses it.
Not for this feature.
How do you remove the ' No route added' so annoying
You can remove that within the profile settings/setup.
Funny all of the Garmin users wanting a better climber….what about us Wahoo users? When will they add a decent climb feature!?!
LOL 😂 at everyone in the comments still using prehistoric Garmin devices. Time for an upgrade boys. Monochrome, non-touchscreens aren’t where it’s at. Maybe in 2005.
I’d be shocked if Hammerheard, now with SRAMs backing, doesn’t have a blanket of patents on Climber and other features. Garmin devices will never get anything even close to this.
Karoo2 is a revolution. Since day one.
Since day one? That's a stretch. Even now I find it somewhat embarrassing they don't support what I'd consider basic core functionality like recording Di2/eTap/etc data to the FIT file, BLE data connectivity (who tf wants to buy another SIM card!?), extended sensor support, and a web dashboard that's from your quoted 2005 era.
Garmin wipes the floor with everyone for depth of features and eco-system. They have their own developer platform anyone can use. Also InReach. Wahoo has mopped up pissed off Garmin owners with a simple interface/setup/user experience. Hammerhead are doing good things...but they have ground to make up to be on-par with the others. Climber is a clear winner for them. They need to keep moving forward.
Garmeen isih the best