The Most Unforgettable Villain I've Ever Seen
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video essay I cover one of my favorite characters in Red Dead Redemption 2 - Dutch Van Der Linde. Dutch Van Der Linde is not just a mere antagonist. He's an enigma, a charismatic leader, and arguably one of the most compelling characters in video game history. In this video essay, I delve deep into the layers of Dutch's character, exploring his motivations, his evolution, and the intricate balance of idealism and realism that defines him.
From his unyielding charisma to his eventual descent into paranoia and madness, Dutch represents a masterclass in character development. Red Dead Redemption 2's narrative offers a portrayal of a man caught between his ideals and the unforgiving march of time. But who truly is Dutch Van Der Linde?
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Hello there, I also made a video on Arthur Morgan: th-cam.com/video/j0jRARi7sxk/w-d-xo.html
are you serious? don't you have any shame??? what's the point of giving a spoiler notice if you are just spoiling it in the title?????? I didn't even watch your video and now i know dutch is the antagonist. what is wrong with you??? why would you do that? why wouldn't you put another title?? why would you spoil the game for me when im just halfway there to the game??? you're just evil.
@@thedarksideofthemoon2 brother the game has been out for years cope harder
Hey just wandering if he is your most memorable villain what about berserk
In his very first scene, Dutch commands a form of charisma and leadership that's very hard to break away from throughout the game, even as his true self continues to reveal itself.
Spot on. We can see how differently the gang members react and struggle with the changes.
@@ViciousTNT I think what makes Dutch such a fascinating and compelling villain compared to many others is how we get to see his own internal struggle with the decisions he makes.
Like, even in the final scene with him and Arthur, Arthur rightly calls him out for his faulty allegiances ('I gave you all I had') and we do see a flash of hesitation from Dutch. But by that point it's too late.
I think that Dutch is gamings equivalent to Walter White. We're led to believe that he changed over the course of the story into a bad man, but upon closer inspection realise this is who he truly was.
@matthewchristou8198 for me I never decided dutch was the enemy, because of his incredible charisma and speech, until the scene were he left Arthur to die you should have seen my face then I was enraged
@@Onezy05 That's a really good comparison; both characters are dark and complex. The folks that cling to Dutch's concussion in the botched bank robbery as the reason for his treachery are probably the same people who would make excuses for real world abusers.
@@A-ds1mt Precisely. At first I also thought that Dutch BECAME a bad man through his idealism constantly failing and the concussion, but then I think that I too was blinded by his charisma.
Rewatching the first chapter of the game again, I then realised that Dutch was always like this, what with the way he kept skirting round what happened in Blackwater that involved the murder of girl.
To use another more extreme comparison, people excuse Dutch's actions the same way they excuse Tony Sopranos actions, despite the fact that he does some horrendous shit. The guy is a racist, womanising murderer and even when he murders his own nephew people still make excuses for his actions just because his charisma is so captivating.
Seeing the way Dutch led the gang in that Braithwaite Manor mission was a cross between ruthless gangster & a breathtakingly unhinged hero. Just off of his audacity alone made me feel like the Van Der Lindes at that point were no longer just outlaws, they were a family.
Kids were off god damm limit
The sad thing is, he didn't do that for Jack. He did it because he hates southerners, and he hates that they played him.
@@Bacxabergood point. But his audacity & swagger (despite his actual intentions inside of his crazy mind) during the whole mission was enough to galvanize the gang into following him to the manor for what they felt was for a good cause.
That's the scene where you learn why people actually believe in him.
Ngl in the hindsight of multiple playthroughs, I feel like that mission is actually the last time the Van Der Linde gang is united as a family, at least the fighters of the group. Even at the party upon Jack's return, some of the gang sit on the sideline, Dutch and Molly argue with each other then vanish, hell even the Marstons disappear upstairs pretty quick. The lines are already beginning to show, Dutch's madness rearing its head again, they'll never be together as a family again after that evening
I felt absolutely devastated when Dutch betrayed me in the mill like I was so sure he was gonna help me but when he didn’t I felt such an enormous amount of pain of betrayal I couldn’t believe it.
Ik when he leaves Arthur to die in the mill that was a moment when I realized I didn’t really know who he was anymore
Man I cried for 3 weeks straigh after seein this
Dutch killing an old woman and then carrying unconcious Javier on his shoulder in the same mission highlights the 'duality'. One of the most complex characters ever.
And y'all can see how a lot of people react to his death in RDR1 (those who played it after RDR2).
The true evil of Dutch isn’t his morals, personal views, or social dilemmas. It’s his ability to take far more than he’s willing to give.
wow you sound so smart
So....Another vanilla villain? And how does selfishness not fall under morals or social dilemmas? Nice pseudo-intellectual comment tho.
I think The truest evil is probably his willingness to kill innocent people
That's like the most basic thing to most villains. The way you wrote it makes it seem like you said something smart but it's a really clasdic thing to make villains unlikable or scared of. What really makes Dutch worse than many is his ability to manipulate people and play them, and charm and way with word makes people trust him easily to the point that till the end you want to believe that he can turn things around
@@kevink1575I absolutely agree with you. That pseudo intelligent shit is annoying as hell, you see it so often like with Breaking Bad fans for example and yet people see it comments like that and get an orgasm because of those "intelligent" and "thoughtful" comments
“You ever hear of Dutch’s boys?!” -Bill Williamson threatening the bounty hunters who had him tied up. Greatest outlaw gang there ever was
"My whole life, all I did was fighting" that hit harder and harder every year I get older
Hits harder when you realize the only person he was fighting was himself. He could’ve saved the lives of so many of his crew members, same with Arthur (if you go bad honor), and John.
It truly helps you understand the “redemption” aspect of the game that John and Arthur faced their fates head on, while Dutch ran away almost all his life. 👍🏾
The reason why Dutch’s villain arc hits so hard is because of the way he builds you up before he tears it all down, you had so much more to lose with him than a typical villain. The only thing that can hurt you more than your enemies are your friends. You spend the first few chapters bonding with not only him but the entire gang. They become the family that you never had before, and then you have to do everything in your power to keep them taken care of and protected while you watch the only father figure you got to have slowly break down and turn on all of you. Then you keep on giving him your all hoping your making the right choice only to die having to know you were wrong.
One of the most ironic parts about Dutch is him mocking Colm for working with disposable thugs he doesn’t know the names of yet in Red Dead 1, Dutch does the exact same thing.
The visible pain on Arthur's face and in his voice when he tries and fails to convince Dutch to go back for Abigail... It's just heartbreaking how he realizes his "father" is completely gone at that point.
Spot on
It's even crazy that Dutch has a fatherly role in Arthur's life considering they were only 8 years apart. Master manipulator.
"He was dead, but I could not see." - part of the lyrics in Unshaken.
@@thecowboy9698”it was there” not “he was dead”
I never played the first RDR so I didn’t know the end of Dutch’s story, I was swept away in the story and I think I felt the way Arthur felt slowly realising what was happening to Dutch and the gang as a whole. Amazing story telling
Well said.
You have to play the first one. It’s age really shows when compared to this new age of games, but it’s still a lot of fun and the story is phenomenal. Luckily it’s a prequel so you haven’t really lost anything story wise by playing this one first, but I highly recommend you play the first game to get the full story
The first one is better imo, I just like the vibe and John Marston more.
@@loganwatson5905 I was not too sure about playing it because I watched my brother playing it a lot when we where kids so I felt I half played it even tho I never followed the story lol. I should give it a go now tho that I’m invested in the characters and story.
What makes Dutch so well-written is that you can almost never tell if he is lying or being honest.
Does he actually care about the gang? Or he merely sees them as expendable means to achieve a goal?
Is his plan to escape and live far away peacefully an actual thing? Or he was simply lying to gain the gang's trust?
And no matter what you think, both options would perfectly fit into his character. He is pretty much a living countersense.
One of the most unforgettable characters in videogame history indeed.
First time I played I didn’t even notice he was a villain, only Micah. So charismatic he fooled me
here's hoping that we get a 'Red Dead Revolution' game, set during the end of the civil war.
That would be wild 🙌
@@ViciousTNT sadly, no houser brothers so who knows if it'd be the same
As someone who never knew the story of RDR1, I had one hell of a time watching Dutch fall. Like Arthur, I liked him at first as a badass gang leader with a moral compass before the story slowly peeled off those charismatic layers. My absolute breaking point was when he decided to help the Native Americans prank the US Army. He was willing to let what little remained of the Wapitis get brutally slaughtered just to attempt to create a diversion.
In a way, I feel for Dutch. The way he was written he really gives off a vibe of untreated bi polar disorder
yes!!
Late onset bipolar disorder?
Exactly. And the head injury he suffered on the Saint Dennis heist made it all much much worse
@@themagnus2919bot necessary, a lot of people with it really show no signs of it unless put through a lot of stress or when they go through hard times
I think he went into madness right the moment Dutch was betrayed in St Denis trolley
If there's one scene showing progression and governance as an enemy Dutch can't beat in this game... it's the scene where him and Arthur enters Saint Denis for the first time. I'ts a depressive, yet very realistic sight, of the rise of the modern era. An era we now live in, in our real lives.
I think he's so dynamic because he's so relatable. I think a lot of us can relate with the feeling of being out of control and it's even harder if we ever had a position of authority or control in our lives even if it was illusory if we had it at one point the feeling of losing it and watching it spiral out of control can be not only heartbreaking but mine shattering. And that's what happens to Dutch. He just slowly watches his world get ripped apart and his family get destroyed and killed. Instead of reflecting on his fault in that he keeps blaming the external world for coming down around him rather than the choices he's making, which is leading his people further and further into chaos. In the end, whether he chose left or right, it's likely that the gang would have crumbled sooner or later. But the fact is he keeps making the wrong choices and he keeps it s acting with pure authority that gets more and more severe and authoritarian rather than listening to the council of his more rational friends. This is what happens when person is in power for too long. In my belief is that they become too intoxicated with their own legend with the concept that they are the leader and they can fix things when in reality. Dutch was only ever the inspiration, but he was never the only leader of the gang. It was always led by all three of them but the further he took control the further out of control. The situation got and that's where you get his tragic flaw. The belief that he can fix things that he alone has a plan. That's what's so beautiful about his storytelling is that it is a perfect rendition of the tragic flaw that leads Dutch from being an anti-hero to a true villain, especially in the first Red Dead redemption where you see his madness come to a full culmination and so it's so amazing to watch that madness to send slowly from the icon of almost and anarchic commune in the style of some old Romani caravan up against the world into an authoritarian and brutal regime that eliminates dissent and uses terror as a tool of control, and it's not entirely his fault as you can see how he was manipulated by people like Micah. But still in the end It is on Dutch for falling in love with his own legend and believing his own hype that led to the downfall of their found family because he stopped seeing them as family and started seeing them as underlings.
this content deserves more popularity
i would like to see some kind of video on micah because maybe he’s dishonorable, but he’s a good character that was also crucial to the story
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it 😊
And thanks for the suggestion, he might be on my list for one of the future videos.
Fuck micah, he makes my damn blood boil like he's a real person. But that just shows how well he's written and acted because i wouldn't feel this way if he wasn't so well placed in the story. Damn i've never hated a game character more and t the same time i have never loved ad respected a game character like Arthur before either. This game has so much insane talent in it.
I gotta give it to Benjamin Byron Davis. The cadence and warmth in his voice when you know it’s a lie still makes you want to believe him.
Aye, he's an absolute legend 🙌
It is pretty nuts that they made an entire prequel that expanded on eight minutes of dialogue.
Dutch is a bad man and a total hypocrite. But he is a compelling force of personality.
Our time is passed john.
Hell of a dive into Dutch's character. I think you just made one of the best RDR2 video essays
Thank you so much for the kind words ❤️ I'm glad you enjoyed the video
The professional has a much better video on Dutch.
i feel like micah and arthur are like representation of dutch personality. theyre like a tail and head on a coin. dutch early on is like arthur cunning, smart, and loyality true to his word but toward near the end of the game he flip to the micah side which is ruthless, opportunist predators, and willing to make a sacrifice for his goal.
Dutch's arc reminds me of Jesse James' arc in the 2007 movie _Assassination of Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford._ I believe it's only loosely based on Jesse's life and the James gang. Either way it's a movie that was definitely known to someone on the team at Rockstar during development of RDR2, because one of the train robbery missions begins with a cutscene that is nearly a shot for shot replication of Jesse James stopping the money train at the beginning of the movie. The movie isn't as action packed as RDR2, but if you've seen it, it's very hard to ignore the parallels between the 2 gangs, their struggle against the tides of change, and most notably, their charismatic leader's descent into paranoia and self-destruction.
i played rdr2 before rdr1 and it was actually chilling to see how much he changed, or rather how much of his true self he showed. in the early game i thought dutch was an incredible character, cheering him on and such, ESPECIALLY during the raid on the braithwaite manor. but as the game went on, it was surreal seeing him slowly become evil, and when i saw him in rdr1 i lost it because like. *wow*
The scene where Micah was convincing Dutch to not go rescue Abigail and Arthur was telling him to go it looked like Dutch had an Angel and Devil on his shoulder telling him what moral road he should head down
Dutch is the personification of the honor levels
"You can't fight the future don't waste your life trying." -The white shadow
Everytime I see a video of Dutch I wanna play the game again for the third time.
after my 5th, same
The botched trolley job threw his decline into high gear not because of a head bump but because he finally saw how close he was to ultimate failure, death with no payout. He was on a razors edge and knew he had to get drastic both to deal with money issues and evade the chaos sewn in Blackwater and even before. Eventually lashing out everywhere was his only solution.
You deserve one million subscribers man, your content is gorgeous!
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it 😊
The footage is just RDR2 which is a gorgeous game, haha. But I agree the video was really well put together!
Oh shut up
I didn't remember the story of the first red dead because I was so young, so I decided to go in blind...I ended up gettting attached ro the characters and Dutch's fall from grace was genuinely hurtful.
When I start the game over for the dozenth time. I like Dutch in the beginning even knowing what he does to Arthur. That’s a great fucking character!
Enjoyed the video. I once posted a comment on a red dead redemption video and I'll post it here because it makes sense still. "John Asked Dutch why he was there. Dutch responded, "Same as you I suppose." Dutch came to kill Micah. Dutch is very interesting as a villian. If you notice through out the series, he almost never says he is wrong. When he's being strung along by micah, you can see it in Dutch's face that he knows he isn't right but he can't admit that he is wrong. Like When he was watching arthur die on the mountain. Dutch's face was extremely sad. He said "I" several times, but he couldn't say "I'm sorry" because it would have meant that he was wrong. thats why he left Micah then instead of joining him. I guess you could say Dutch leaving the cash was his way of apologizing to John and Arthur. Since there was no other reason for him to do so and he was entirely silent because he couldn't say what he needed to say, because his personality doesn't allow him to admit when he's wrong."
However someone esle's comment made me change my view on the latter part of my comment. Dutch left John the money because for Dutch it had never been about the money. It was about doing what he wanted and the money was a means to get people to follow and do his will. Like when Dutch strangled the hispanic old woman. He never bothered to get the gold bar back from her body because He didn't care about the money.
I agree, people for Dutch were assets to build his dream and to continue his fight. Money can't buy loyalty, but vision can.
And I'm glad you enjoyed the video 😊
Dutch apologies to Hosea and Arthur for Blackwater in a camp interaction, apologies to Arthur after the Colm debacle in a camp interaction. apologies to everyone after Saint-Denis (which wasn't even his fault, it was Hosea's idea) , and maybe more I'm forgetting.
he didn't care about the gold bar because back at camp he had a chest full of money. the gold bar would slow him down
I’ve said since 2018 after the game released just how great of a character Dutch van der linde is I’m not going to get into it all again but I’m glad that more and more people share my views on my favourite characters in my favourite games
Been a fan of the redemption saga since the beginning in 2010
Outlaws for life
I have two favorite villains. Darth Vader and Dutch Van Der Linde. Dutch is a man who can’t accept the new world and grows more vulnerable throughout the changing times until Micah has influenced him so much that he lives like him in his last days.
That's interesting, why Darth Vader is one of your favorites?
Thanks for making me think about my place in this day and age and understand that I literally don’t know where tf that is. Kudos to you and the RDR2 team.
Dutch is basically a combination of Walter White from Breaking Bad, Tony Soprano from The Sopranos, Joseph Seed from FAR CRY 5, Handsome Jack from Borderlands 2, Michael Corleone from The Godfather, Tony Montana from Al Pacino's Scarface, Wilson Fisk from Marvel's Daredevil, Big Smoke from GTA: San Andreas, and Odin from God of War 5: Ragnarok.
They’re in a cult. Dutch’s gang was a cult.
I think the best part of Dutch is the fact that over the course of the story we slowly believe that he does not care about anyone in the game only for it to be revealed that he loved Arthur more than himself and his ego.
The thkng about Dutch is that he lies to everyone including himself it is only in rdr 1 is Dutch honest to himself
Dutch is probably the only Twist villain that ever worked on me, I seriously saw him as a father figure, a good man who had good morals... But by the time I got to the mission where he kills Bronte... I started to doubt, just like Arthur, and on Guarma, I started pressing X to doubt even more... And I finally realized what he really was in Chapter 6, he's a master-manipulator who sees himself as exactly what Milton said he thought he was, "The Messiah to lost souls", he's the best villain I've ever seen in media, while Micah is more of your stereotypical "do bad 4 bad" Dutch is the same, but he's able to conceal it with words of grandiour and words of cunning, he's someone even worse than Micah, cause at least Micah openly shows it, but Dutch criticises people for doing the exact same thjng he does, hell, you know about the girl he killed on the Ferry? Heidi Mccort? She wasn't just a random girl, eye witnesses said she's apparently a MOTHER too, so Dutch Orphaned a child, yet he looks down on the O'Driscolls for killing a woman's husband? What's the difference between him and Colm? Well, if you really look deep into his character... The only difference is that he doesn't give his money to people to work for him... So... Does that really make him better...? Or does he just see himself as that through his skewed worldview? The only real difference is that he wants to have as fewer people, and none to pay... He's just as bad as teh people criticizes, he's a hypocrite, and he doesn't really care...
I stand by what I said in your latest rdr2 video. The next game should be another prequel. Where you play as Dutch Hosea or young Arthur or John or a NEW character that met them right when the gang formed but I'd prefer Hosea right before he met Dutch and we see how they swindle each other. Then we see the "golden age" of the gang and either it really is that or what we hear about it in rdr2 is actually a romanticized version of the past where when they look back nostalgia clouds them and it's really always been this way and that's why they've always been on the run. Because if you think about it after almost 20 years they should have been able to find SOMEWHERE to go. Unless it's always been this way. I feel like that would b the best sequel/prequel but that's just my opinion.
Whenever Dutch's mission icon popped up, I knew something either very good or very bad would happen.
The epilogue story with Evelyn Miller touches on it, Dutch's 'practical' decisions highlight it, and his dialogue hints at it, but his goals and ideology always echoed the very societal constructs that he wished to replace; A hierarchy with a wise and powerful white savior (himself) at the top and everyone else in blissful and grateful subservience.
In both games, Natives are just cannon fodder to him and, when he's hyping up Tahiti or New Guinea as potential destinations, he promises dancing girls but also free land ripe for the taking as if those places weren't already inhabited Dutch's disdain for the wealthy exploiting everyone and everything around them often comes across as him believing that he could have done it better, not that it shouldn't have been done in the first place.
Where did the dancing girls come from, Dutch? Early English settlers, like John Smith, would fabricate tales of the sexual availability of Native women to entice more Englishmen to colonize the Americas. Dutch's odd promise may have been a reference to that. It could also be referencing the annexation of Hawaii and the overthrow of it's monarchy by the U.S.
I may be reading too much into it but, the level of research, and the volume of historical Easter eggs in the making of this game make it hard to believe that it was just random lines and not a hint that Dutch had ambitions of colonization himself.
I don't believe he did though. What he wanted was a land where he could pursue a lifestyle of running and gunning, always fighting, him talking about going to Tahiti or some such were all just carrots on a stick for the gang, or even lying to himself, he could've used that gold to get out and do exactly that but he never did. He stayed behind and rally'd disillusioned natives for nothing more than to keep up his fight against encroaching modernization. You have to consider what Dutch considers his ideal would be when he was younger, which would lineup in the classical era of the west and doing all that entails for outlaws. Dutch found his true nature to be violent, and he seemed to have relished in that in the events of RDR1, and we get the start of that snowballing since the blackwater massacre before RDR2. Seeing it through an anti imperialist lens doesn't add up when his big thing at the end of the first game is how the world has no place for men like him anymore, living wildly.
Dutch feelt very real to me becouse I already belived in similar things to dutch, (tho he is a bitt more of a anarchist than me)
he fought against big capital and authoritarian things like the state, against the native genocide.
so when he then goes insane over it instead of adapting to it I felt it.
There is a hell of a story to tell about how he got like that.
For sure 🙌
It hurts so much that as arther is dying you can see Dutch wants to listen but micah keeps pushing him to a bad side. Arther learned so much from hosea that Dutch sees it as betrayal. Arther tried so hard and Dutch chooses Micah over him and I don’t see how Dutch could do that to his “son”
Whats crazy is that dutch occasionally slips up and shows his true colors on accident(he sometimes says "I" instead of we or us)
Dutch doing himself shouldn't surprise me as much as it did but ironically enough in his death he warned John I wished he listened
During that intro I thought there was going to be a comedic cut to you saying "these are things the first game has"
Missed opportunity 😄
I'm actually a guy who doesn't like change, so I reject it the best I can but them I notice, we can't fight change or gravity or pain as an wise crazy man said, so no matter how much it hurts I adapt to the change or I would get lost as the wise crazy man did.
Dutch has always been my favorite RDR2 character.
He definitely is a well written character who has an interesting story to experience
He hurt my friend.
100%
Another one who did it: th-cam.com/video/xeuoDGSu8eQ/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for this video, I never really played Dead Red Redemption 1, so I played this barely this month. I really wanted Arthur to make Dutch see the light. As Dutch begins to become more paranoid. I wonder if anyone here saw the movie with James McAvoy and Forest Whittaker called "The Last King of Scotland"? When we meet Idi Amin in the movie, he seems charismatic and overall a good guy, but as he starts settling into power he starts feeling the pressure of being a leader, and he becomes paranoid. I think Micah's poison is what does this, he whispers in Dutch's ears the idea of disloyalty. And as he knows that counseling Dutch will lead to Arthur and the others questioning him, he steers him into that paranoia. So I really wanted Dutch to see the light, but by the end he's too fargone and that's sad as hell. We killed Micah, sure, we avenged Arthur, but we permanently lost Dutch. And for what I saw of RDR1, he just fell into madness by that point, and by the end when he talks to John, he's just but a shadow of his former self and just riddled with guilt that he won't admit, because then it would become real in his mind.
omg such a good video! i was already a big fan of ur last essay about arthur. keep it going!
Thank you so much ❤️ I'll do my best
Calling Dutch a villain would have more sense if the one he calls a plan would have worked and then he switches his tone, his plan never really got concluded, money and being free out of the country with all the gang.
We aren't criminals we are outlaws
Dutch always has a plan and yet his plan always back fire on him
bro you did so well on that Thumbnail
In RDR2 he had one bad idea after another.
I think the most unforgettable villain in my opinion is Micha
He is definitely someone who sticks with you. I have an idea for how to cover him in a different manner in the future
na, Micha is too evil. he pretty much has no redeeming qualities. not a terrible character though, he is just one dimensional and not that much to him. he only really serves the plot by getting in dutch's "ear". and partly being responsible for dutch's turn to madness. Micha is not up there with the greatest of video gaming like Dutch is. when people think who is the main villain of the rdr series it will be Dutch not Micha. only ross has a close second due to his villainy being also well motivated.
Who ?
Wait what’s the song at the beginning of the video
The only thing he constantly reminds me of is that he got a plan
Dutch was like Palpatine with the integrity to throw him down the shaft…
Hosea was Tarkin, Arthur was Vader, John was Luke. Being outlaws they already live outside conventional morality so you can focus on the inner politics.
Because it’s not like we’ll ever getting rid of gangsters and outcasts
I truly hate Micah bc if Micah wasnt in the gang maybe Dutch would've gone crazy but we know he was the rat giving information. Had Micah not been around that bank heist couldve been successful. The deaths that came could've been prevented and just maybe Dutch wouldnt have gone crazy not having that devil on his shoulder
Insanely well-written and picturesque script. It was a joy to listen to.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it ❤️
Dutch isn't evil but he's definitely selfish. He breaks everything he "stands" for he preaches loyalty but left his own right hand man to die twice. Says colm is an idiot who doesn't care about the men in his gang yet again contradicts himself by choosing money over rescuing Abigail and john. And lastly he literally sides with Micah despite his obvious poor decision making that alone should tell you Dutch wasn't who everyone thought he was.
Dutch turned into a villian in the epilogue and in RDR1.
I have been stuck in the epilouge for the past two years now trying to get 100% completion on the game. Maybe i should just start again and do as much as i can as arthur because the game feels empty once you have done 89% complesion as john.
Amazing video ! 😄 Thank you !
I'm so glad you enjoyed it. Thank you 😊
If you read the books by Evelyn miller you’ll realise Dutch is just a plagiarist.
Also there’s his speech notes which are quite telling.
"Oh, the doubting!!"
Great video man. You just got another subscriber.
Thank you 😊 I'll do my best to make it worthwhile to stick around.
I want to do a deep dive on Dutch's ideology, considering how similar my own beliefs are.
In my life i try to remain at my core the same old me but i leave room to adapt. In my mind if every few years your still the exact same person then your not trully living to the fullest because to me life and change go hand in hand. To live and not adapt or change is to be intelectually dead and stuck. Dont be so open minded your brain falls out but adapt and be willing to learn and expand your perspective.
Well said.
@@ViciousTNT thanks
I wouldn’t be surprised to play as Dutch in RDR3
It's so contradictory to see Dutch or Arthur shame other gangs for being stuck in the past when they were too.
It is really interesting how Dutch is the main villian of RDR2, yet you're actively working with/for him for 90% of the game, and part of the story is the slow realization of how bad he is.
How is it a slow realization? He does bad things from the beginning and we already knew who he was in RDR1...Make sense, please.
@@kevink1575 Who hurt you?
@@planescaped All you did was lay out the basic premise of the game (following a gang of outlaws working together), and imply it's some sort of great revelation of how bad he was by the time the game concluded.
I'd have to ask: Who hurt YOU? You'd have to be dropped on your head as a child to be dumb enough to not see who Dutch was from the moment you start the game. The course of events he sets off, with his actions, bars you from an entire area of the game map literally at the start of the game. lol Dutch sucks.
We can’t always fight nature , John. We can’t fight change. We can’t fight gravity. We can’t fight nothing. My whole life, all I ever did was fight. But I can’t give up , neither. I can’t fight my own nature. That’s a paradox John , you see ? When I’m gone , they’ll just find another monster. They have to , because they have to justify their wages. Our time has passed , John.
underrated
Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it 😊
You don't quite understand Dutch and no one does. Dutch ran away when he was a little teenager, he was a rebellious kid who hated to live by the rules, he couldn't take living under his mother so he ran away looking for what he considers freedom and happiness only to find out that the WHOLE WORLD is just like his mother's household. Dutch couldn't live that way, it's not who he is and it's as simple as that, he became an outlaw, he met Hosea and started the gang not for the love of its member like he wants them to believe but it's just so that he can have blindly loyal people who will help him to achieve his goal, somewhat like a cult, a goal that was way too big for one man to achieve because he wanted to single-handedly change the world and the course of history, and he really had to, otherwise life isn't worth living, he was never after money, money was just a tool to help him achieve his goal and keep his gang members faithful. He was fighting a losing battle and he knew it full well, he knew that it would eventually lead to his ruination and the ruination of the rest of the gang but he couldn't stop. He started losing his mind as his gang members grew more and more doubtful of him, and doubt is the only thing he cannot bear as he says, because without faith he has no way to keep his gang with him and his goal would seem even more like a pipe dream, and it's the only thing that his whole life is about. Then in the very end when he is surrounded and all hope is gone and he is forced to face the reality that he just can't change the world on his own, he decides that it's not worth living anymore and he takes his own life.
I understand Dutch better than anyone because he's the most relatable character from RDR2 for me. I'm so much like him, I'm a rebellious kid who's doing things that are destroying my own life and the lives of everyone around me and I can't stop because as Dutch says in his dying moments "You can't fight change.. You can't fight your own nature". And this is the dilemma right here, when your nature goes against the progress of the world you are bound to be doomed and people see you as the villain. I got some of those that I hold dear killed and I watched some family members die and I couldn't care less. Much like when Dutch when Arthur was dying, you could see in Dutch's eyes how he is reminded of the fact that he's living life dead wrong and that he messed up big time. But he can't do anything about it So he starts stuttering before he just abandons Arthur and moves on. So this is Dutch, forever the rebellious teenager.
Micah HAS to be next
Your timing is spot on 😄 I'm currently editing Micah's video 😄
@ViciousTNT Oh nice! Can't wait to hear the nice, kind things about him!
Haha 😄 it just went live if you want to see all those kind things 😄 th-cam.com/video/xeuoDGSu8eQ/w-d-xo.html
I found Dutch to be an easily predictable character 💀
After first hearing his corny speeches, I thought,
"Found the guy that's going to betray us all."
Dutch was always full of BS & I never took him seriously.
I'll never understand why anyone thinks Dutch is a well written character.
Technically the wild west had been dead for a few years by the events of this game.
I always saw Dutch as Griffith but what would happen to him irl.
Rip Van Winkle next 🗣🗣🗣
Got spoiled by this video. (no hate)
OMG finally found this video, I bought rdr2 last month and before buying it I was trying to search if it was worth it. Ofcourse YT algorithm after searching anything is terrifying, while trying to find a video for photography, saw the thumbnail and caption of this video while in chapter 2. Never opened YT while trying to finish the game 😢
Just wanted to share.
This game is a masterpiece despite being spoiled by my stupidity lol.
Replaying it now and I'm always trying to kill THE RAT everytime I get a chance.
Oh damn, sorry to hear you got spoiled on it.
@@ViciousTNT Oh no worries man, didn't post this to press someone. I genuinely enjoyed the ride enough to most of the time forget about what I saw. 🤣
Phew :) I'm glad you were able to enjoy anyways 😊
Great video man, but, fucking Braveheart?
BRAVEHEART?!
Unshaken isnt Arthur's song, its Dutch's
*heavy breathing*
Nah, this is the one.
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Would you say dutch is one of rockstars better bad guys
Immediately disliked the video because you imply
Tahiti is a meme.
You just gotta have faith.
Fair
Rockstar wrote an absolute amazing story. Never once have I had okay to face death and doing what I did. The good and bad choices I made really didn't matter to much. Our guy just did the bad or good in the world.
Edit: Micah is an ass hole.
Truly complex and interesting character this guy.
Do you think he’s better written than Arthur?
Great editing, good concept for the video, gotta say though I hate the script. I appreciate some of the points you’re making but I don’t think you’ve used the right terminology sometimes.