Hey you legends! If you haven‘t seen it yet, I‘ve uploaded a Tutorial how to easily master driving without the racing line:) th-cam.com/video/9g9cu0KgRQc/w-d-xo.html
I wish there was an option for racing line "braking zone only", because my limitation is that i always mess up braking points by 10 or even 20 meters on some corners where i don't even confidence like the hairpins on Shangai. With corners only i know where the correct spot is and i can manage to brake much further into the line suggest by the game
I used to use it as well, but after some time i stopped using it and i don't even remember why. With the cars i use the most i can more or less brake at the right spot in weird conditions or in an unknown track, and from there i see if i braked too early or too late, and adjust it You just have to get your eyes used to the space needed for braking. I usually tend to need 10-15 laps to get some good braking references when i don't know the car or the track
This line it good for learning new tracks, it gives you a bit of a heads up as to what corner is coming up rather than looking at the map. Apart from that I used it for breaking rather than cornering and I noticed the A.I ignored it in F1 2020 going through the Castle Section on the Azerbaijan track, they took completely different line. :) Edit: I forgot about the full racing line, I never used that as it was just the corner line I used. :D
Sometimes the setup matters, because if you are using a default setup there is a lot of understeer and maybe you can't do the tight corners flat out like turn 7 Edit: and turn 8, also the braking you can't brake as late, at least the rear end is stable.
The issue for me is that I use the racing line in the corners only for the braking points and then getting used to braking wrt to the braking point in diff cars.
I remember James Baldwin said that he tried the sim racing line in his GT3 (probably the one when you keep the inside line in last corner to get more tenths), and his engineer asked him to stop doing that.. :D And now I get that confirmation from you as a pro. The developer need to do something on this.
Only reason I use racing line is because it gives be a rough guidance of wear to break, I practice on time trial to see the limit of every braking point, but using reference points is just overly complicated than looking at bright lines
I only use the racing line because I've been going from F1 2013 to F1 2021 and the 2021 cars seem to be way less predictable and more likely to spin than the 2013 cars I'm used to - in 2013 I can play without the racing line just fine lmao
My main problem is braking zones. Im a fan of late apex's myself and I play on controller, tho if anyone was to see any of my gameplay you would think I was on a wheel. I get much faster than average lap times than the normal controller player, but I only have the racing line on for braking zones, just because 1, its incredibly hard to have a sense of speed in the controller and 2, because I can never memorize the braking zones for all these different tracks and their corners. In some cases I dont take the sim racing line "personal lack with regards to not realizing its there" and only really doing it somewhere around the last corner like at Imola and the final turns before the start/finish straight at Azerbaizan, and having a hardware disadvantage I could get a fair bit faster without the line.
@@MarcelKiefer absolutely! I think I'll try it around monza and Austria, my two tracks with the most practice and see how big the deficit is. Will Def be looking for a tutorial on how to improve braking points without the racing line! 💪
it would be awesome really to make anther video to turn i use but as reference in braking but in line i usually dont stick to it cause i saw from pros like you that you change it very informative
I got the game less than a month ago and within the first week of playing i knew the in game racing line was costing me time. Once I can learn how to race without the corner line I'm turning it off
Please do a video on how to race without the racing line Marcel, been stuck to no assists for the past 9 months but I’m so slow still, no matter what I do. 😂😭😭
In my league we have a Sim league now so also no racing line and since I drove there I saw how much later I can brake without abs and racing line but I am not realy faster with sim but this come with time
Another difference between real world racing and sim racing (apparently): Real world racers dont sit on top of their cars. I really dont get it why sim racer even consider using tv-cam mode and even less why it is even allowed...
I don't think i'm a really good driver in games but i always hated to use the racing line, i feel uncomfortable and it put me nervous. So i always preferred to do as many laps to figure the track. Got sense?
I mean, this is not sim game, and also set up matters, take low downforce set and let me see how well you will take that line flat out. Also racing line is for players that dont know how to race proparly or just starting with this track or just dont take it that seriously and dont understand how racing lines work, its not ment for experinced drivers...
Started playing f1 few months ago, currently on 90 ai with no assists except corner line, think next step is to turn it off, thanks for these videos! really helpful
@@OBJ3_13 When you turn traction off you will feel it on corners and on paint, definitely requires some time to get used too but makes the game really enjoyable
I just switched from controller to wheel thinking I would improve. I used all assists with the controller. I took all the assists off for the wheel. Holy shit it’s a hell of a learning curve. Getting the braking right is so difficult. Guys please tell me things improve with time. I was so pumped to get my wheel and I’m getting frustrated after 2 weeks. That flashback option is getting used like crazy 😂
I use racing line because I don't know the braking points. I tried it without racing line but then I was really really slow and missed some braking points.
@@MarcelKiefer ok thanks. I also want to let u kno that all of u esports guys do a lot more for the F1 community than u kno. I’ve become a bigger fan of F1 mostly because of guys like u and the game.
I can't do sim racing lines because I use controller and I just can't get the car turned like I would be able to on a wheel :/ and having the racing line off at France for me is impossible because of all the different track veriants
The problem I have was with racing line on I could just jump into multiplayer and do semi decently without learning every single track while without it would be a disaster on tracks I never raced/very little practice on. But now I know the problem with having it on is not just you keep your eyes where you aren't supposed to look (on the line instead of the apex/exit/other cars), but it is also not optimum. I am usually +2 seconds from the WR but with this I think I can cut down at least another 5 tenths if I drive without it properly. Problem is how do you "know" the optimal braking point without the lines tho? I always find myself braking too early so I ended cruising too much or too late that I miss the apex if not complete run myself out of the track, and those changes depending on your tire conditions. I also can't differentiate if it's because of my lack of control of the car or it is plain not possible to take the corner at x speed and usually ended up just looking at videos of track guide and follow them because then for sure I know you can make it braking here and carry this speed out of it (and practice until I got it), but I feel there should be a way where you can find that yourself instead of relying on videos (I feel like I am just copying others instead of learning.. how to be faster on a track without reference, and will have trouble with lesser known sims/tracks where a WR video is not easily found)
Agree. When on a league and have accident with the driver who are still using the racing line, their argument always the same, they are just following racing line. And the investigation always have the same result that they are wrong and get penalized. When we have a battle, the racing line become irrelevant for a moment. I kinda understand that they were not ready to race without those line but it's sad that they can't enjoy the battle situation. It feels a lot different and more immerse if you battle without those line. My pace are not good really and it shown in the race result, from 20-ish tracks I may have good pace only in 6 or 7 tracks, the rest are just pain😆. But racing without racing line is something that I will highly suggest, it gives me more sensitivity to the other car's movement and it really help me on battle situation.
It's funny because max actually takes his own line. I've found he doesn't stick to the normal line even on real life and I believe that's what makes him so quick he races in real life like he does in a sim. It's why he kisses walls and stays so tight compared to other f1 drivers. He won't go wide if he doesn't have to he will cut. People are so worried about what is technically right or wrong they get stuck. Like them saying you want ro make the line as straight as possible. No because then you are under turning in you are staying to wide many times and you arnet going to be on the limits of grip which is what makes you much faster. I see so many sim racers turning in so little and wondering why they are slower. Instead of reslly throwing the car in and really feeling the edge of grip you want the car to rotate if you can you don't want to leave it wide. Then what happens is they are holding a straighter line and it pulls them iut wide and they give Gas and it brings them out wide again because they aren't actually turning in the inside line. Remember guys the shortest line will always be the fastest! It's that simple.
As a new person into racing,playing without racing line is very hard but more satisfying when I play without it.It's much better to depend on my own skills rather than on a green line.Of course,it takes time to get better and better but the outcome is surely satisfying.
The racing line stops you from learning the track. You just learn to follow that whereas if you drive without the racing line, you will be slower initially but will eventually know the track well.
I'm getting to the point where I can drive without ABS and traction control if I really concentrate but turning off the racing line still seems like mission impossible to me so I'd love to see a video on how to go about turning it off
I use the 2d racing line but never 100% follow it. Some sim lines you'll learn from others or doing leagues. Racing line is fine to use for braking points. Spain T3 for example don't follow the line there or Portimao S2/S3
I don’t play all that often on 2020 I could race with no assist the curbs really messed me up on 2021 so I turned tc on medium I wish they’d have a low setting and because I was spinning on the curbs so much I have to turn on RL I hate to admit it but flashbacks are a big problem aswell I spin so much it’s ruins the game in a 22 race career I’m on season to full race settings only in season two just got to Singapore and I’ve used 5,000+ flashbacks in races FP’s and Qualifying
Just turn your flashbacks to high (6) and it really does force you, also play a lot of multiplayer (as they are no flashbacks ofc.) I've only been doing this for a short amount of time and my consistency has gone up exponentially
Ive only been playing on elite settings for a short time, i find i dont spin and dont overbrake/throttle anymore. Going off of your instinct is much faster than the line
i HATE racing lines, ive got my own. And i do rarely "succeed" in "stay withing 0,5m on the racing line in training programms... guess i am screwed haha.
i only use breaking in my league racing but i'm really struggling to get my speed back especially in heavy braking zones so a video on how to go from where i am now to racing line completely off would be most appreciated
I started practicing without it today so this video is good confirmation on that I'm doing the right thing. For me the problem isn't finding the breaking points, for me the problem is not knowing how much speed I can carry through the corners. But practice makes perfect!
I was wondering why i was so slow, even though i have every assist off, i control the car perfectly etc. The only downside is corner racing line, and that maybe throws me off. Thanks Marcel!
Do you do one on one coaching sessions? Paid of course, im a good driver but i want to get even better, always 1-2 seconds slower than e-sports, and 7-9 tenths slower than the fastest people in my league. I just want to understand what im doing wrong
Low-key true. Like I'm not new to codemasters F1 games and usually I played the games before like F1 2012,2013-2016 with almost all assists on, meaning ABS, Traction control, Breaking assists, steering assist, drs assists, overtake assist.. you get the point, basically everything when you pick experience level "novice". And recently I turned them all off and tried how it is and to my suprise.. yeah took some time, some crashes, some spins, some nerves.. but I finally for once set the fastest qualifying lap on GP mode on AI difficulty 50 to 60. So it kinda made me realise that the assists, especially the breaking assist never let me do that because it would brake unnecessarily early and not allow me to even cut a corner or hit the apex of a corner.. and make me lose a lot of pace, also automatic transmission is very much not any easier than Manual, because even if you misshift you can always shift up or down in every second and the car doesn't stall the engine like it does in actual cars so it really isn't that much extra work at all. So far I've only kept the ABS on because it's quite difficult to dose the gas and breaks properly with a controller, because even when I think I didn't press the shoulder buttons (L2 and R2) too hard I still end up either locking up (braking to hard) or Drifting or spinning (accelerating too quick). Either way, many assists in codemasters f1 games aren't really assists but limitations, and I noticed this especially in F1 2018 and onward.😂
It is even more limiting because you dont learn the track. You are allways looking where the racing line is, when you have to brake. You dont „feel“ the track.
Hello Marcel! First of all thank you for your Content! I Love it and im looking Every Video…a question: can you please make a totorial Video of how to Drive without Traction control? I know so much guys who looking for such a Video because it es so difficult without traction control! Traction control with medium Traction control is no Problem. I would love to hear a answer From you! Thank you and have a Nice day :)
Btw even if you know the braking points perfectly and then turn off the racing line you wouldn’t know HOW MUCH braking is required. You probably should learn how to drive manual and then turn off the racing line. Because you’ll know what gear for each turn and then brake accordingly.
A turning the racing line off tutorial would be great. A lot of videos tell you what to do but don't explain it to where people can understand, Jarno did a video like this except he did not turn the racing line on and followed it like you did. Great video!
I use the racing line as a refrence only since i can't play enough to have every turn memorized. Throughout using it on each track i can usually figure out, ok, don't follow it here, and i also use it as my refrence point for braking, again, as i do more laps, i push harder and figure out where my preferred braking point is or if i only need to lift instead of brake, and usually use the line instead of on track markers to remember my braking points etc. I've been doing it that way since i started sim racing with Gran Turismo 4. Of course, I've never done e racing leagues either. Just don't have enough time. Love your videos though mate, i do learn a lot from you
Racing lines are good to learn circuits if it's the first time you play them, but when you think you know where the corners are and when to approximately brake/accelerate, you should deactivate it
I don't follow the line anymore, I only use it for braking point, as I have dyslexia and the F1 are very fast, so I can't get something external as a reference In the real life is a lot more easier (in a kart) In Asseto Corsa also is easier, because of the speed of the GT's cars
Just dont use any assists. Assists are for beginners(first month max) Let's hope that noone tries to drive an F1 car just to not drive a F1 car. Thats what forza is for. x)
F1 2021 is my first ever proper racing game. I turned the racing line off since day one just for the simple fact that it looks stupid and ruins immersion lol
Marcel, I brake by looking at the apex, I do this because i take wayy too long to spot the apex after looking at my braking point, Is this bad or does it put me in a disadvantage in anyway?
Strangely I being winning races without using the racing line I just race and slipstream of other racers and then intercept the player to prevent them getting past me, that's my tactic and it's so much easier
Need to learn it soon but just got My first wheel and still struggle with setups tho i dont know why but I always been a brake later Even when its red sometimes i got a good exit
I really need to learn how to turn the racing line off. I stopped racing for 6 months or so, and now I can't do without it even though I know that I was doing without it.
Any time I try to use all the track with the kerbs and everything to get a good time my lap is invalidated cause the track limit ends half a meter before the end of the track.
Also anhand meiner Vergangenheit kann ich sagen, dass mich die Racing Lines gefühlt sehr limitieren, man gewöhnt sich unterbewusst an falsche Lines und verlässt sich immer auf den Bremspunkt der Linie. Ich bin auf jeder Strecke 2 Sekunden hinter dem WR, wenn ich sie ziemlich clean fahre, gefühlt.. das nervt mich, aber Bremspunkte nicht zu treffen oder Einlenkpunkte nicht zu haben, ist eben sehr frustrierend und erfordert auch sehr viel Aufwand, damit man diese lernt und optimiert. Allerdings ist mir auch klar, dass wenn man damit selbst ein bisschen rumprobiert, man das Grundprinzip besser versteht und auch selbst sehen kann, was schnell ist und was nicht. Mich würde ein weiteres Video dazu sehr interessieren, da ich aus diesen 2 Sekunden gerne unter eine Sekunde machen wollen würde :^). Danke für die Unterhaltung :) LG Sleydo.. p.s. "oh dear." ;)
Hey you legends! If you haven‘t seen it yet, I‘ve uploaded a Tutorial how to easily master driving without the racing line:)
th-cam.com/video/9g9cu0KgRQc/w-d-xo.html
I only use the braking line because i dont know the best braking point of every track and every conrner but im going to learn that in next years game
I’m the same way
Will do a Video on how to do that :)
@@MarcelKiefer Yes that would be really nice👍🏼
@@MarcelKiefer would be nice
@@MarcelKiefer join ifc. I think carsey would beat you
I wish there was an option for racing line "braking zone only", because my limitation is that i always mess up braking points by 10 or even 20 meters on some corners where i don't even confidence like the hairpins on Shangai. With corners only i know where the correct spot is and i can manage to brake much further into the line suggest by the game
You will get used to it Lorenzo trust me, search for a solid breaking point and make it a habit 🙏
I used to use it as well, but after some time i stopped using it and i don't even remember why. With the cars i use the most i can more or less brake at the right spot in weird conditions or in an unknown track, and from there i see if i braked too early or too late, and adjust it
You just have to get your eyes used to the space needed for braking. I usually tend to need 10-15 laps to get some good braking references when i don't know the car or the track
just learn to do it without the line, its not hard, you just pick your braking points instead of looking at an animated line
@@notme5447 i can kinda do it, like in Spa i can drive without line no problem, but in tracks like Spain i have a hard time with some braking zones
f1 2020 had corners only i havent played 2021 since i did not buy it
This line it good for learning new tracks, it gives you a bit of a heads up as to what corner is coming up rather than looking at the map.
Apart from that I used it for breaking rather than cornering and I noticed the A.I ignored it in F1 2020 going through the Castle Section on the Azerbaijan track, they took completely different line. :)
Edit: I forgot about the full racing line, I never used that as it was just the corner line I used. :D
Curbs actually tell you what's coming. I never use the racing line because I hate how it looks but reading curbs makes up for it
Sometimes the setup matters, because if you are using a default setup there is a lot of understeer and maybe you can't do the tight corners flat out like turn 7
Edit: and turn 8, also the braking you can't brake as late, at least the rear end is stable.
It definitely does!
I absolutely confirm but I will never understand how to do good setup :(
@@EtneoMappingAnimation there should be lots of tutorials that could help you
@@MarcelKiefer u should do a setup video showing the store u use for each track
Wish you did a lap driving like you normally would but with the racing line on, to show the comparison of how differently you actually drive.
Can still do that!
@@MarcelKiefer That would be awesome thank you so much haha
@@MarcelKiefer please do
@@MarcelKiefer pls I really need a video of you showing that
The issue for me is that I use the racing line in the corners only for the braking points and then getting used to braking wrt to the braking point in diff cars.
I remember James Baldwin said that he tried the sim racing line in his GT3 (probably the one when you keep the inside line in last corner to get more tenths), and his engineer asked him to stop doing that.. :D And now I get that confirmation from you as a pro. The developer need to do something on this.
Do you know in which video he talked about it?
@@kuroyami6289 when he became the guest at F1 e-sport event last year, I forget which one
@@RindiTechEntertainment Is it in his own channel or in other channel?
@@kuroyami6289 In F1 channel, he was talking with Matt and Nick in the qualification session. In mexico GP probably (I'm not sure about this).
@@RindiTechEntertainment Okay, thank you. I'll look for it.
I learned this the first month of playing F1. I've been preaching it to F1 friends ever since
You are a great friend to have then 🤝
@@MarcelKiefer haha thanks! That's huge coming from you. I finally have a pro to back me up
Only reason I use racing line is because it gives be a rough guidance of wear to break, I practice on time trial to see the limit of every braking point, but using reference points is just overly complicated than looking at bright lines
I only use the racing line because I've been going from F1 2013 to F1 2021 and the 2021 cars seem to be way less predictable and more likely to spin than the 2013 cars I'm used to - in 2013 I can play without the racing line just fine lmao
I only use the braking line even tho its rly corner line, but i used to go no line but recently i just havent had the time to learn it
My main problem is braking zones. Im a fan of late apex's myself and I play on controller, tho if anyone was to see any of my gameplay you would think I was on a wheel. I get much faster than average lap times than the normal controller player, but I only have the racing line on for braking zones, just because 1, its incredibly hard to have a sense of speed in the controller and 2, because I can never memorize the braking zones for all these different tracks and their corners.
In some cases I dont take the sim racing line "personal lack with regards to not realizing its there" and only really doing it somewhere around the last corner like at Imola and the final turns before the start/finish straight at Azerbaizan, and having a hardware disadvantage I could get a fair bit faster without the line.
Sounds like you are very quick on the controller, give it a go anyways for a while!
@@MarcelKiefer absolutely! I think I'll try it around monza and Austria, my two tracks with the most practice and see how big the deficit is.
Will Def be looking for a tutorial on how to improve braking points without the racing line! 💪
Man thank you for this video 5/5
You are welcome!
it would be awesome really to make anther video to turn i use but as reference in braking but in line i usually dont stick to it cause i saw from pros like you that you change it very informative
Will be uploaded tomorrow :)
for me its just about where your braking point is and where to turn in
I got the game less than a month ago and within the first week of playing i knew the in game racing line was costing me time. Once I can learn how to race without the corner line I'm turning it off
Let‘s go!
Thanks so much for sharing your in-depth knowledge and great tips with us. Looking forward to watching your next video! :)
Please do a video on how to race without the racing line Marcel, been stuck to no assists for the past 9 months but I’m so slow still, no matter what I do. 😂😭😭
In my league we have a Sim league now so also no racing line and since I drove there I saw how much later I can brake without abs and racing line but I am not realy faster with sim but this come with time
Another difference between real world racing and sim racing (apparently): Real world racers dont sit on top of their cars. I really dont get it why sim racer even consider using tv-cam mode and even less why it is even allowed...
On other cars people use driver camera, for f1 it’s very annoying to use the cockpit cam
Hey ur the same guy whose setup ill use in time trial. Wow 🤩
Marcel, could we have your updated camera settings please?
yes :) will do an updated settings video soon!
I don't think i'm a really good driver in games but i always hated to use the racing line, i feel uncomfortable and it put me nervous. So i always preferred to do as many laps to figure the track. Got sense?
Gerne mehr Tutorials!
i only use racing line for braking point not for the line
I just dont want to have to learn the braking points. If they put cones on the braking points like you can in Gran Turismo that would be good.
it’s so easy to learn to drive without it, just turn it off and drive a couple of laps and then ur good
Great video 👏
Thank you!
Ja mach bitte noch ein extra video darüber
I mean, this is not sim game, and also set up matters, take low downforce set and let me see how well you will take that line flat out. Also racing line is for players that dont know how to race proparly or just starting with this track or just dont take it that seriously and dont understand how racing lines work, its not ment for experinced drivers...
Thanks mr obvious
This video has went viral
I dont follow it just use it to give me a good idea when brake... am like 8 secs slower with it off
You will get used to it :)
gewohnt den merc zunehmen wegen iracing jaja🌚 der vertrag geht flöten marcel
😂😂😂😂
Cmon how can you be going that fast. Are you using the brake
Lol
I’ve been trying to get people to turn that fucking line off for years. Learn your own way around the track.
what... there's no sense but work it wtf!!!!!
only nubs use the racing line
I can drive very decent with my Breaking Line Only but its just a massive struggle to drive without any line
Just get used to it and use other reference points like signs, curbs, lines on the track or whatever.
Will do a video on how to turn it off 🙏
@@MarcelKiefer That would be amazing!
@@MarcelKiefer tnx mate!
@@MarcelKiefer please do 🤣
Started playing f1 few months ago, currently on 90 ai with no assists except corner line, think next step is to turn it off, thanks for these videos! really helpful
I am on 100 ai with medium traction, I need to turn off abs and full traction off
@@OBJ3_13 When you turn traction off you will feel it on corners and on paint, definitely requires some time to get used too but makes the game really enjoyable
the line should be the first assist you turn off
@@MrTangoHD f1 drivers like lando said it not that accurate and the middle tc is more real
I just switched from controller to wheel thinking I would improve. I used all assists with the controller. I took all the assists off for the wheel. Holy shit it’s a hell of a learning curve. Getting the braking right is so difficult. Guys please tell me things improve with time. I was so pumped to get my wheel and I’m getting frustrated after 2 weeks. That flashback option is getting used like crazy 😂
I use racing line because I don't know the braking points. I tried it without racing line but then I was really really slow and missed some braking points.
MORE TUTORIALS!!! Teach us about removing ABS and TC. I expect to see a new video tomorrow
😂 video will follow but not tomorrow - sorry Sergeant 🙏
@@MarcelKiefer ok thanks. I also want to let u kno that all of u esports guys do a lot more for the F1 community than u kno. I’ve become a bigger fan of F1 mostly because of guys like u and the game.
Bro this guy is just a human, he’s not going to magically make a video tomorrow for you just because you commented
No abs, gentle on brakes
No tc, gentle on throttle
@@user-zp3xc4to1t that is literally all you need to know
I can't do sim racing lines because I use controller and I just can't get the car turned like I would be able to on a wheel :/ and having the racing line off at France for me is impossible because of all the different track veriants
The problem I have was with racing line on I could just jump into multiplayer and do semi decently without learning every single track while without it would be a disaster on tracks I never raced/very little practice on.
But now I know the problem with having it on is not just you keep your eyes where you aren't supposed to look (on the line instead of the apex/exit/other cars), but it is also not optimum. I am usually +2 seconds from the WR but with this I think I can cut down at least another 5 tenths if I drive without it properly.
Problem is how do you "know" the optimal braking point without the lines tho? I always find myself braking too early so I ended cruising too much or too late that I miss the apex if not complete run myself out of the track, and those changes depending on your tire conditions.
I also can't differentiate if it's because of my lack of control of the car or it is plain not possible to take the corner at x speed and usually ended up just looking at videos of track guide and follow them because then for sure I know you can make it braking here and carry this speed out of it (and practice until I got it), but I feel there should be a way where you can find that yourself instead of relying on videos (I feel like I am just copying others instead of learning.. how to be faster on a track without reference, and will have trouble with lesser known sims/tracks where a WR video is not easily found)
Agree. When on a league and have accident with the driver who are still using the racing line, their argument always the same, they are just following racing line. And the investigation always have the same result that they are wrong and get penalized. When we have a battle, the racing line become irrelevant for a moment.
I kinda understand that they were not ready to race without those line but it's sad that they can't enjoy the battle situation. It feels a lot different and more immerse if you battle without those line.
My pace are not good really and it shown in the race result, from 20-ish tracks I may have good pace only in 6 or 7 tracks, the rest are just pain😆. But racing without racing line is something that I will highly suggest, it gives me more sensitivity to the other car's movement and it really help me on battle situation.
Bro you have written an essay 😂
It's funny because max actually takes his own line. I've found he doesn't stick to the normal line even on real life and I believe that's what makes him so quick he races in real life like he does in a sim. It's why he kisses walls and stays so tight compared to other f1 drivers. He won't go wide if he doesn't have to he will cut.
People are so worried about what is technically right or wrong they get stuck. Like them saying you want ro make the line as straight as possible. No because then you are under turning in you are staying to wide many times and you arnet going to be on the limits of grip which is what makes you much faster. I see so many sim racers turning in so little and wondering why they are slower. Instead of reslly throwing the car in and really feeling the edge of grip you want the car to rotate if you can you don't want to leave it wide.
Then what happens is they are holding a straighter line and it pulls them iut wide and they give Gas and it brings them out wide again because they aren't actually turning in the inside line. Remember guys the shortest line will always be the fastest! It's that simple.
As a new person into racing,playing without racing line is very hard but more satisfying when I play without it.It's much better to depend on my own skills rather than on a green line.Of course,it takes time to get better and better but the outcome is surely satisfying.
Absolutely true, i have much more fun playing without the racing line but i get faster lap times with it turned on, corners only 2D of course.
The racing line stops you from learning the track. You just learn to follow that whereas if you drive without the racing line, you will be slower initially but will eventually know the track well.
I'm getting to the point where I can drive without ABS and traction control if I really concentrate but turning off the racing line still seems like mission impossible to me so I'd love to see a video on how to go about turning it off
Check out my latest Video Dave :)
@@MarcelKiefer Alright thanks I will!
@@noahsnowdon any tips to get better?
Lol i just have a xbox 360 and play f1 2014 cause its the last f1 game on the old generation 🤣🤣😭
Great Video! I'd love a explanation video about how to drive without a racing line.
Will do a video on that!
Can you do a video on how to learn my braking points without the racing line?
I use the 2d racing line but never 100% follow it. Some sim lines you'll learn from others or doing leagues.
Racing line is fine to use for braking points.
Spain T3 for example don't follow the line there or Portimao S2/S3
Yea that also works!
I don’t play all that often on 2020 I could race with no assist the curbs really messed me up on 2021 so I turned tc on medium I wish they’d have a low setting and because I was spinning on the curbs so much I have to turn on RL
I hate to admit it but flashbacks are a big problem aswell I spin so much it’s ruins the game in a 22 race career I’m on season to full race settings only in season two just got to Singapore and I’ve used 5,000+ flashbacks in races FP’s and Qualifying
Just turn your flashbacks to high (6) and it really does force you, also play a lot of multiplayer (as they are no flashbacks ofc.) I've only been doing this for a short amount of time and my consistency has gone up exponentially
Ive only been playing on elite settings for a short time, i find i dont spin and dont overbrake/throttle anymore. Going off of your instinct is much faster than the line
i HATE racing lines, ive got my own.
And i do rarely "succeed" in "stay withing 0,5m on the racing line in training programms... guess i am screwed haha.
You will get used too it :)
Can you make a vid on how to brake perfectly on corners and how to make use of the curbs perfectly so the car doesn't slow down ?
i only use breaking in my league racing but i'm really struggling to get my speed back especially in heavy braking zones so a video on how to go from where i am now to racing line completely off would be most appreciated
i use it because i started playing f1 2020 like last year october so i dont even know the tracks well
and i cant even get the f1 2021
You will get used to it! Will upload a tutorial tomorrow :)
I started practicing without it today so this video is good confirmation on that I'm doing the right thing. For me the problem isn't finding the breaking points, for me the problem is not knowing how much speed I can carry through the corners. But practice makes perfect!
Do you play with abs?
@@pesvids6673 Not anymore!
Bro I can’t play this game worth ish. I mean back tired always burn out. I mean can’t even do 1 good lap. How does these cars turn so fast on corners.
I was wondering why i was so slow, even though i have every assist off, i control the car perfectly etc. The only downside is corner racing line, and that maybe throws me off. Thanks Marcel!
Do you do one on one coaching sessions? Paid of course, im a good driver but i want to get even better, always 1-2 seconds slower than e-sports, and 7-9 tenths slower than the fastest people in my league. I just want to understand what im doing wrong
Low-key true. Like I'm not new to codemasters F1 games and usually I played the games before like F1 2012,2013-2016 with almost all assists on, meaning ABS, Traction control, Breaking assists, steering assist, drs assists, overtake assist.. you get the point, basically everything when you pick experience level "novice".
And recently I turned them all off and tried how it is and to my suprise.. yeah took some time, some crashes, some spins, some nerves.. but I finally for once set the fastest qualifying lap on GP mode on AI difficulty 50 to 60.
So it kinda made me realise that the assists, especially the breaking assist never let me do that because it would brake unnecessarily early and not allow me to even cut a corner or hit the apex of a corner.. and make me lose a lot of pace, also automatic transmission is very much not any easier than Manual, because even if you misshift you can always shift up or down in every second and the car doesn't stall the engine like it does in actual cars so it really isn't that much extra work at all.
So far I've only kept the ABS on because it's quite difficult to dose the gas and breaks properly with a controller, because even when I think I didn't press the shoulder buttons (L2 and R2) too hard I still end up either locking up (braking to hard) or Drifting or spinning (accelerating too quick).
Either way, many assists in codemasters f1 games aren't really assists but limitations, and I noticed this especially in F1 2018 and onward.😂
It is even more limiting because you dont learn the track. You are allways looking where the racing line is, when you have to brake. You dont „feel“ the track.
They should add Cones as an optional thing just like in Gran Turismo.
Hello Marcel! First of all thank you for your Content! I Love it and im looking Every Video…a question: can you please make a totorial Video of how to Drive without Traction control? I know so much guys who looking for such a Video because it es so difficult without traction control! Traction control with medium Traction control is no Problem. I would love to hear a answer From you! Thank you and have a Nice day :)
Btw even if you know the braking points perfectly and then turn off the racing line you wouldn’t know HOW MUCH braking is required.
You probably should learn how to drive manual and then turn off the racing line. Because you’ll know what gear for each turn and then brake accordingly.
I really like these kind of videos
Nice video man, would love another one with how to turn it off :)
Will be live tomorrow!
@@MarcelKiefer Absolut animal! (both for videos and Perez defense ;).)
A turning the racing line off tutorial would be great. A lot of videos tell you what to do but don't explain it to where people can understand, Jarno did a video like this except he did not turn the racing line on and followed it like you did. Great video!
I use the racing line as a refrence only since i can't play enough to have every turn memorized. Throughout using it on each track i can usually figure out, ok, don't follow it here, and i also use it as my refrence point for braking, again, as i do more laps, i push harder and figure out where my preferred braking point is or if i only need to lift instead of brake, and usually use the line instead of on track markers to remember my braking points etc. I've been doing it that way since i started sim racing with Gran Turismo 4. Of course, I've never done e racing leagues either. Just don't have enough time. Love your videos though mate, i do learn a lot from you
Just turned the line off yesterday and then I get this video lol
Hahahaha
I'm using the line only as an oriantation point i'm not actually using it
But with that you are using it actually, try turning it off it will be really different most likely :) using the line is nothing bad tho!
Racing lines are good to learn circuits if it's the first time you play them, but when you think you know where the corners are and when to approximately brake/accelerate, you should deactivate it
PLS VID ON HOW TO LEARN HOW TO DRIVE without racing line !!! pleasee!
Gday Marcel, i have to admit its a pleasure to listen and learn from you.. THANKYOU>>
I don't follow the line anymore, I only use it for braking point, as I have dyslexia and the F1 are very fast, so I can't get something external as a reference
In the real life is a lot more easier (in a kart)
In Asseto Corsa also is easier, because of the speed of the GT's cars
Just dont use any assists. Assists are for beginners(first month max) Let's hope that noone tries to drive an F1 car just to not drive a F1 car. Thats what forza is for. x)
F1 2021 is my first ever proper racing game. I turned the racing line off since day one just for the simple fact that it looks stupid and ruins immersion lol
I’ve been playing F1 since the 2006 game and I can’t even do Suzuka with the racing line 😂
Great video! I can show this to my friend when he gets mad that I don't stick to the racing line when I am side by side with him.
Marcel, I brake by looking at the apex, I do this because i take wayy too long to spot the apex after looking at my braking point, Is this bad or does it put me in a disadvantage in anyway?
Why doesn't esports have mandatory cockpit view that would be more realistic :/
Strangely I being winning races without using the racing line I just race and slipstream of other racers and then intercept the player to prevent them getting past me, that's my tactic and it's so much easier
Need to learn it soon but just got My first wheel and still struggle with setups tho i dont know why but I always been a brake later Even when its red sometimes i got a good exit
I use corner/ breaking line only as a reference. I brake where I think I should. But. With it turned off. I always miss my spot
I've always wondered why drivers didn't do this in real life. The reason was because they scrub speed.
I really need to learn how to turn the racing line off. I stopped racing for 6 months or so, and now I can't do without it even though I know that I was doing without it.
Can you make a Video for ABS vs no ABS because I can both but I dont know wich is faster
I just want bta markers in the future as I only need the line for a braking point
(bta=brake turn apex)
Any time I try to use all the track with the kerbs and everything to get a good time my lap is invalidated cause the track limit ends half a meter before the end of the track.
I'm actually using racing lines to get the braking point because i'm lazy to learn'em
F1 games are the only games I use the racing line with, braking points make zero sense to me in the F1 games.
I use racing line for reference when i’m side by side with someone and/or not on the racing line
why not a video for every track, with braking points and fastest racing line?
i wish F1 had some sort of assist that had no Line but still had Braking Zones as that is the only thing i struggle with
Video to help out following tomorrow :)
Also anhand meiner Vergangenheit kann ich sagen, dass mich die Racing Lines gefühlt sehr limitieren, man gewöhnt sich unterbewusst an falsche Lines und verlässt sich immer auf den Bremspunkt der Linie. Ich bin auf jeder Strecke 2 Sekunden hinter dem WR, wenn ich sie ziemlich clean fahre, gefühlt.. das nervt mich, aber Bremspunkte nicht zu treffen oder Einlenkpunkte nicht zu haben, ist eben sehr frustrierend und erfordert auch sehr viel Aufwand, damit man diese lernt und optimiert. Allerdings ist mir auch klar, dass wenn man damit selbst ein bisschen rumprobiert, man das Grundprinzip besser versteht und auch selbst sehen kann, was schnell ist und was nicht. Mich würde ein weiteres Video dazu sehr interessieren, da ich aus diesen 2 Sekunden gerne unter eine Sekunde machen wollen würde :^). Danke für die Unterhaltung :) LG Sleydo.. p.s. "oh dear." ;)
i find it easy to race without a racing line in every sim that i have, but i have NEVER been able to comfortably race without it in any f1 game lol
you will get used to it :D
Please do make that video of how to change please. Then also converting from anti locks to no anti locks please
I use braking lines to get used to the track and practice the curves. Then I have to turn it off.
I use the corner only racing line because i dont know the braking points