Was The HYPE Train Wrong? Mig-29 SMT Review (War Thunder)

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  • @MD-wn4ui
    @MD-wn4ui ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Same playbook as last patch, nerf the Fulcrum to make it seem like it’s underperforming as justification for buffing the USSR to an absurd level later on. Happened already with the 27ER.

    • @AlphaHeavyGamer
      @AlphaHeavyGamer  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It could happened. It seemed to fly better on the dev server. I have not issues with its weapons though. They are chef's kiss delicious.

    • @BARelement
      @BARelement ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s actually quite the observation. Didn’t think of that.

    • @blu5021
      @blu5021 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BARelementyeah

  • @HalIOfFamer
    @HalIOfFamer ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Not only that. The base mig29 was nerfed to shit as well. I understand that before this patch it was stupid OP. Pulling 15g was ridiculous and it should not have been a thing for longer than a week. But now all mig29 variants struggle to pull 10. And again it would be fine. A pilot should only be able to handle 9 for a short time anyway. The problem is everything else pulls 12g at least in top tier.

    • @AlphaHeavyGamer
      @AlphaHeavyGamer  ปีที่แล้ว

      It seems to be getting there-update F-16 treatment. I don’t know why the drastic change in flight model. There weren’t any problems.

    • @HalIOfFamer
      @HalIOfFamer ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AlphaHeavyGamer well no, there were problems. It pulled 15g. But now it does pull 11 lol.

  • @Shadoweye12
    @Shadoweye12 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The SMT is a nice jet, though it's gonna take a bit of time for me to get it.
    The biggest problem I have with it is that the AoA or the turning capabilities of the jet feel incredibly sluggish, now I don't have it in the production server so I can't say if it's been changed since the first Dev Server iteration, I didn't play any Dev Server iteration after that. But what I recall is that the turning of the SMT was incredibly sluggish to the point it's almost like the flight stats of the Tornado was blended together with the earlier Mig-29 version. Maybe I'm over exaggeration, maybe I'm not, like I said that's what I recall from the first Dev Server Iteration.
    I love the R-73 and the R-27ER combo, the R-73s are finally here and on a fighter, AND I can finally and reliably shoot a missile beyond 2km FINALLY! Lol.
    I need to get back into the game but I've got a lot going on right now so I can't play much. But I'll get back into it sooner or later.
    What I'm excited about now is the December Update. Granted they didn't do what I thought they were gonna do in that they were gonna implement all non-Fox-3 jets before even contemplating adding Fox-3s. However the addition of the F-16C and the Mig-29SMT means that these are Fox-3 capable jets, thus the Fox-3s are likely to come in the near future. Though I anticipate an enormous amount of whining and crying (in part because we're largely interacting on Western servers), but I do expect A LOT of US mains to complain that the Aim-120A (which is the most likely version to come first), is severely 'Underpowered' mostly because it's not a 'One Shot Wonder'.
    Don't get me wrong I fully expect the Aim-120s to be a very good missile and perform better than the Aim-7s (I assume there's a reason the Aim-7 never got serious attention or serious upgrades after the Aim-120 entered service), but the Aim-120s will still have the same limitations that all missiles have. I don't know why but a lot of people on TH-cam, Reddit, Facebook, and a lot of other social media platforms seem to think that the Aim-120, even the A versions, no matter the range, no matter the target (unless talking about a 5th Gen Fighter), the Aim-120 CANNOT MISS.
    Within a certain range that's likely to be very true. After all that's even true for the R-27ER, fire that thing within 20km you have a strong chance of hitting your target outside of a Radar Lock Break, and a successful defensive manoeuvre (which the player has plenty of time to perform at that distance, if he's paying attention). Fire that thing between 2-10km and odds of that missile being dodged are Slim to None, defensive manoeuvres are not impossible to perform at that distance, but very unlikely due to the short amount of time you have.
    However a lot of people give too much attention (in my opinion) to the 'Lofting' capabilities of the Aim-120. Again don't get me wrong, Lofting is a very good thing to have, BUT if your flying low to the ground, Lofting only has so much advantages. From what I recall, the Aim-120 is supposed to Loft upwards of 60K ft, could be more could be less, but that's what I remember, that's roughly 18km for those using Metric.
    If your flying roughly 1km off the ground, which is the rough average altitude for most War Thunder Players in Air RB, (or a little over 3200ft), the Aim-120 If I was a betting man, I'd bet money that the Aim-120 doesn't have the power to climb up to 18km or 60K ft and come all the way back down onto a target, so the idea that the 'Lofting' of the Aim-120 is somehow gonna result in some type of 'super missile' that acts as an Orbital Strike Weapons as some give the impression that that's what they believe, they're gonna be in for a big disappointment. Realistically, depending on the distance, I can see the Aim-120 climbing from 1km to 2 or 3km off the ground thereby granting even better range than if it were to fly evenly at 1km off the ground, so I am aware of and am not gonna deny the advantages of lofting. However in War Thunder the ranges of the missiles are already subject to criticism, as ranges are largely generalized and not kept to accurate public numbers.
    The Aim-7 series largely has a max range of 75-85km, at least from what I recall off the top of my head. The R-27ER has a max range of 130km, and I have yet to see anyone or even myself see at very high altitudes have EITHER of those missiles even remotely reach that of their max ranges, in part because of the lock limitations to both the Radars and the missiles seeker heads, but I digress, both ranges are presently not even remotely possible to meet in game, whether that's realistic or not I cannot say but that's besides the point.
    That being said let's talk about the R-77. Now the problem with the R-77, much like a lot of things on these topics is both hard to come by, and information is classified, so a lot of what we get is numbers that have gone through A LOT of subjective interpretation. That being said I have heard that the R-77 can loft, however I have to qualify that statement in that I haven't found anything that says that the R-77 DOES in fact Loft, or does in fact NOT loft. Though it's possible that not all variants can loft, like I said, I have not found anything definitive that says they do or do not, though I cannot imagine that the R-77 can't loft, lofting isn't a hard thing to implement, what I can imagine is hard, is auto setting the missile to do so, and to what height in specific situations, etc etc.
    So I expect a strong possibility that the Fox-3s will start coming in the December patch, after all it's the biggest release of the year, AND almost every nation has a plane that can use such missiles. The only exceptions that I'm aware of, are Germany, China, and Israel. There could be others, but those are the only ones I'm aware of right now.
    It also does make sense to start releasing them now. the F-16C and Mig-29, both very capable planes in their own right, can carry up to 6 of those missiles, though I doubt that Gaijin will let them do so for balance testing purposes, and even if they do, I doubt that most players will frequently carry a compliment of 6 Fox-3s. Afterall flying low is still an easy and reliable way in game to defeat radar guided missiles keeping the Fox-2s necessary to carry.
    Plus it allows the implementation of the F-15A and Su-27S without having to experiment with the idea of the F-16 and Mig-29 being sidelined (since they have the option to carry Fox-3s). Plus Gaijin will be introducing them slowly by having a hard upper limit of 6 Aim-120s, or R-77s (and carrying nothing else as consequence). VS having an F-15 or a Su-27 carry between 8 to 12 of those missiles. F-15s outside of the EX as far as I'm aware can carry up to 8 missiles of various types, the Su-27 and it's derivatives however is a little more complicated. Depending on the variant a Su-27 can carry between 10-12 missiles, however I do know that Sukhoi does have Multi-Rail attachments for the under-wing pylons. That being said I don't know what those multi-rail attachments can and cannot carry. So the Su-27 or Su-30 or Su-35 may or may not be able to carry more missiles than the hard 10-12 upper limit that the Airframe can carry.
    But assuming that the Su-27 and it's later variants could in fact carry more missiles with the multi-rail attachments, can you imagine a Su-27 or a Su-30, or a Su-35 carrying upwards of 12 R-77s along with 4 Fox-2s, or even 4 more Fox-3s? The Su-27 being able to carry 10 missiles (at least the early version of the Su-27), is already gonna be Meta Challenging if not Meta Breaking, since it can carry at least 6 R-27s of various variants. Bringing in the F-16C and Mig-29SMT with Fox-3s will help offset some of the potential damage to the gameplay that carrying that many R-27s can cause to a match, afterall the upper limit to R-27s carried is 2 (if you don't count the fact that the Yak-141 can carry 4 R-27s, with 2 of those being the 'lesser' versions of those R-27s).
    Either way I'm not as concerned anymore about the potential problems that can occur with the Su-27 being able to carry so many more missiles than normal because the F-16C and the SMT will act as counter balances to that potential problem. And I'm not as bothered anymore about what problems could arise from introducing Fox-3s, they're gonna be kept to a hard upper limit of 6, for now anyway, plus the more powerful F-15s and Su-27s can act as a counter balance in many ways to that as well. And early versions of these Fox-3s are gonna have serious built-in limitations to, not counting the fact that flying low is an inherently easy way to defeat Fox-3s. Early versions of these missiles do have a serious range limitation compared to their later counterparts, which in War Thunder will be even more prevalent.

    • @AlphaHeavyGamer
      @AlphaHeavyGamer  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As always thanks for watching and thanks for the comments. Yeah, the SMT for lack of a better comparison kind of flies like a ham sandwich. Very sloppy but the weapons are amazing. I am excited that the R-73 is finally here as well.
      I very much agree that the AMRAAM is not going to be the silver billet everyone thinks it will be, especially the early variants. And I get the feeling people will just chuck them outside of engagement parameters and expect kills. They don’t work that way.
      The SMT and F-16C will scale well when the heavyweight Eagle and Flankers arrive. The landscape will be different; perhaps by then even the Eurofighter, J-10 and Gripen will have arrived.

  • @RagingWildcat
    @RagingWildcat ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Do you think the SMT needs a buff at it's current state Alpha?

    • @AlphaHeavyGamer
      @AlphaHeavyGamer  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not right now. I know Gaijin is probably watching the data though. I don't like how it flies but I love the missiles it carries. That could be enough to at least keep it somewhat balanced against its main foe this update, the F-16. But it is more than a match for most other jets. I'm not really scared of F-14s, M2Ks, F-4s, etc.

    • @RagingWildcat
      @RagingWildcat ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Personally speaking mate, I'd prefer a buff in flight models for f16 as they have and the same with the mig29 hopefully and all other top tiers actually and decrease in flare resistance/increase in chaff susceptibility for sarhs. It really feels like top tier has even less space for skill play since this patch dropped. I think I will take a break until something changes here.@@AlphaHeavyGamer

    • @televisio8652
      @televisio8652 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@RagingWildcat no do not buff the F-16C AGAIN. It already stomps on both the 9.19 and 9.13 in a dogfight, what more do you want?!?!?!?!? The missiles already impact 80% of the time and the flight model is super good. It 100% does not need a buff. The SMT basically NEEDS the engine performance upgrade. Currently it is being stomped on in a dogfight by literally everything. The only thing that the SMT can really compete against currently are early MiG-23s, the flight model is just so bad. I have the plane and if I would have known it was this bad in flight performance I would have never gotten it.

    • @RagingWildcat
      @RagingWildcat ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@televisio8652 I agree with you mate, I meant that the F16's FM has been buffed, if the SMT got it's buffed and they nerfed all missiles across the board I would love that, we'd get back to a more skill dependent meta almost like Korean era

    • @televisio8652
      @televisio8652 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RagingWildcat this ^^ I love that we share a single braincell

  • @KillerSniper55
    @KillerSniper55 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    They just chose to nerf the R-73 to an unrealistic level. It’s thrust vectoring is broken, the IRCCM is weaker than it should be. I fly the F-16C and the SMT is almost no threat down low and up close.

    • @AlphaHeavyGamer
      @AlphaHeavyGamer  ปีที่แล้ว

      I think the R-73 is performing well. I haven't really had and issues with it. The smokeless Aim-9M though really catches people by surprise. I wouldn't consider the SMT harmless though.

  • @gollygosh
    @gollygosh ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can’t wait for the flanker, it’s gonna be insane in war thunder

    • @AlphaHeavyGamer
      @AlphaHeavyGamer  ปีที่แล้ว

      I love the Flanker. It is going to be extremely strong.

    • @KillerSniper55
      @KillerSniper55 ปีที่แล้ว

      Flanker is going to be good but at this rate I think it will be up against F-15Cs with Aim-120C-3/5.

  • @StrayGuard
    @StrayGuard ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jammers have been introduced on the game for years but only on their appearence, its the thing without the module inside. It happens the same to planes that have modeled radars but without the module wich leads me to belive that even if they add jammers the older planes arent going to get their respective module but i hope i am wrong about this.

    • @AlphaHeavyGamer
      @AlphaHeavyGamer  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That would suck if older jets didn’t get their ECM equipment.

    • @StrayGuard
      @StrayGuard ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AlphaHeavyGamer it happened with ships also, for example they introduced new ships with missiles but the old ones got stuck with their empty launchers.
      Its really sad that we have to be stuck with incomplete models while they spend resources on unnecesary reworks.

  • @MarkDrisch
    @MarkDrisch ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I absolutely loathe this plane. It's fat, can't turn, and if it does, it bleeds ALL energy. The R-73 is worse in every way then the 9M. It's a 40g R-60M, because the IRCCM doesn't do ANYTHING. The ER is borderline useless, because the "upgraded" radar still can't hold a lock and everybody flies low anyways. To rub it all in, they moved the F-5C to rank 7, so now every idiot can easily spam it and grind to the F-16C, which is by far the best plane in the game right now.

    • @AlphaHeavyGamer
      @AlphaHeavyGamer  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The weapons are working well for me at least but yeah. It feels like flying I’m flying around an extremely sloppy ham sandwich.

    • @kyoMcMushy
      @kyoMcMushy ปีที่แล้ว

      You’re so wrong lmao. The r73 is the second most Unflareable in my experience and in the files, and the er smokes the aim-7m and all other radar missiles lol.

  • @Castrix99
    @Castrix99 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm honestly more disappointed that the MiG-29A didn't get R-73's.. They could've still uptiered the F-16's, F-14B and MiG-29's to 12.3 and top tier would be mostly fine while paving the way for decompression in the lower brs

    • @AlphaHeavyGamer
      @AlphaHeavyGamer  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, I would have liked the 9.12A and 9.13 getting R-73s and then the SMT coming g at the end of the year with R-77s.

  • @andrisorinskis
    @andrisorinskis ปีที่แล้ว

    I will get it eventually, simply because i you inevitably get RP and you need to spend it, and that just unlocks planes regardless. Because of this I literally have over 95% planes from research trees. Not because I was grinding them.
    BUT
    I play Air RB 10+ once or twice a year, and don't play it at all for another year. Because with stock aim9b/r3 and no flares you are free frag and nothing more. Playing stock is not fun at all, and getting 1/10 kd rating until you research at least few must-have modules to be minimally competitive is a nightmare.

    • @AlphaHeavyGamer
      @AlphaHeavyGamer  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, playing stock can be a nightmare. Gaijin has made changes to the stock gameplay though. Giving countermeasures and missiles out of the box.

    • @andrisorinskis
      @andrisorinskis ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@AlphaHeavyGamer countermeasures are not included with every new aircraft (F-105D, MiG-23M for sure, and there are some more I don't remember, one of Tornado models i think, and few Swedish jets), and stock flares are 0% effective against radar guided missiles

  • @hiphip4808
    @hiphip4808 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd say the SMT might be the best SEAD aircraft for Russia, due to the long range missiles. However I think the only reason you'd need that Long range is to kill say, a pansir, maybe a TOR? Thats kind of the issue though, Russia doesnt need that long range capability.

    • @AlphaHeavyGamer
      @AlphaHeavyGamer  ปีที่แล้ว

      If you have room in the lineup to bring two aircraft or more to ground battles SEAD/DEAD consideration is for sure a good reason.

    • @hiphip4808
      @hiphip4808 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AlphaHeavyGamer comepletly agree, I just think they need to give some to the other nations.

    • @TheLastApplePie
      @TheLastApplePie ปีที่แล้ว

      SEAD?

    • @Kerry59
      @Kerry59 ปีที่แล้ว

      supression of enemy air defenses, killing AA@@TheLastApplePie

    • @hiphip4808
      @hiphip4808 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheLastApplePie I probably should have used the term DEAD, which is Destruction of Enemy Air Defense.

  • @agustinf1372
    @agustinf1372 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am using it and it's insane, I dont understand the complains :/

    • @AlphaHeavyGamer
      @AlphaHeavyGamer  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Its a good jet. The missiles are great. It just feels like I am flying a ham sandwich lol.

    • @agustinf1372
      @agustinf1372 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AlphaHeavyGamer maybe it gets a buff, maybe it's an artificial nerff to not make it so powerful (taking into consideration the missiles)

    • @Geniy_B_Kvadrate_XD_ua
      @Geniy_B_Kvadrate_XD_ua ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AlphaHeavyGamerwell, that’s how F-16 adf and others were during artificial pull nerf

  • @Янус_Ырт
    @Янус_Ырт ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder when will they add MiG-25

    • @AlphaHeavyGamer
      @AlphaHeavyGamer  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My guess is that it will come next year. Hopefully not as an event vehicle.

    • @Янус_Ырт
      @Янус_Ырт ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AlphaHeavyGamer Let's hope so

  • @neromastic4512
    @neromastic4512 ปีที่แล้ว

    Personally why I dont want the SMT is because 2 main reasons.
    First its Russian
    Second its a Bad CAS
    The SMT just does not appeal to me at all,that and the R-73 are not what I want,especially on that plane.
    I want it on the Yak-141 that it too carried the R-73 and R-77.
    It is my favourite jet and thus the last one of the Soviet as I do love Soviet History in Armoured and Aviation warfare.
    Beyond the Soviet union aka Russia I dont play (I am sure many would understand now looking at the real life situation)
    The SMT also is eventually going to be overshadowed by the next addition to the game.
    The Grind for such jet has not just become repetative,cancerous and frustrating but also boring especially since Air RB changed to nothing.
    You want to grind the Jet because you have no AAM? well too bad the Ground Targets that give you little points are all in the center where the fur ball will be.
    So you are forced to fight Player vs Player and the old school bombing is just not there.
    That and the annooying SPAA gaijin placed can clip your wing and ruin the day.
    But those are least of the issues knowing a Random Player will fly all the way around to specifically get weak bombers or fighter jets trying to fly around.
    Whatever it may be,I find the Su-25T better then the SMT,at least you get a good CAS thats still Soviet (Not buying that Premium one as its Russian)

    • @AlphaHeavyGamer
      @AlphaHeavyGamer  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good points. SMT wouldn’t be my first, second or even third choice for CAS. But grinding it for what comes after is probably why most will put in effort.

    • @neromastic4512
      @neromastic4512 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AlphaHeavyGamer I will just buy it and leave it until actual cool Soviet Jets come out
      Like the MiG-25 or the Su-24 that really are cool on they own even if gaijin adds the basic,but nope we need more powercreep

  • @sir-lucho-sanGAMER
    @sir-lucho-sanGAMER ปีที่แล้ว +1

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