The JF-17 has some insane first turn performance, and then the sustained turn performance too. It's just a great dogfighter. Perhaps a Gripen could beat it more easily
That F16 was honestly lucky. He made a ton of mistakes. Like many other F16 pilots on WT, he was yanking on the stick the whole time, not letting himself gain any speed to actually rate fight properly. You could see he was on the verge of stalling that whole fight with how slow he was. But gg in the end. More fights like that and I’m sure the JF-17 would've come out on top a majority of the time
it did come out on top majority of the time this was the best dogfight we had tho so i showed this one, idc if i lose as long as it makes a good video that is nice on the eyes
Wow this is amazing! I’m currently passively grinding this and I’m very excited. Definitely seems more excited than the F-4 and Harrier gameplay I’m used to in the British tree. I really enjoyed your cinematic in this video as well on a side note.
F-16 would have had a much easier time dealing with the fight if he stuck it to a 2 circle fight, im still saddened to see the f16 over performs in the one circle, if it got neefed as it should, the 2 circle would be its only choice. But noted that you were flying the jeff stock, i dont own but test fly it alot, been seeing its sustained, aoa limits and rudder limits, jeff would easily win the scissors when spaded, and lack of thrist wouldnt be much of an issue. None the less, well job from the both of ypu keeping those aircraft in good smooth control in the scissor, that aint easy to learn.
tbh one big thing i forgot to do was drop my missiles at the start, i had 4 ir missiles strapped to me the whole time. i dont really mind the f 16a where it is bc its not even a realistic representation of what youd actually be going up against in a real match. i think f16c is what youll be paired up against and f16c is in a good place how it is rn. but f16c wasnt even competitive in dogfight vs this so we did the f16A
@@WOLFER.Its not as easy as you think we reach a point were gaijin themselves said it's very hard to model the fm for the f16 correctly so it would either be underperforming or overperforming which what we got and honestly the same could be said for all of aircraft as this game is old as fuck and they only just patch issues instead of fixing them which made gameplay at times for this game to become worse
@alphawolf1786 yeah that's understandable but I think I know why it might be so difficult (theories btw 😅) one is probably the spaghetti code, engine model, or my final reason, the values to need be extremely precise and that would take way to much time to do.
awesome 🎉 , the dogfighter that red side desperately needed. Let's hope they will not nerf it into the ground like all rusian planes are now. The video is at best quality man, thank you for your hard work man ! 😊 Mountain terain really makes the fight more interesting !!!
Well, one day they will fix F-16’s flight models, I mean low speed thrust and performance and high alpha performance (Deep stall thing in high AoA pulls alone makes F-16 one of the worst 1C fighters in the world yet in WT it is the one and only plane that wins stall speed 1C fights even against flankers and at least on par with M2K which is absolutely ridiculous). I don’t mind that it has higher sustained turn rates than it should, it would be absolutely OK but if it had somewhat realistic 1C performance.
My country operated F16 and Mig21(nato modernised version) in parallel. During the airshows the F16 barely could do a turn over the airfield perimeter meanwhile the the mig21 was full of high AoA shinenigans. They were both military configuration, as we do not have an acrobatic special team. So the F16 low speed performance we have in game is very very alterated in favor of the whining kids.
@@sukhoifanboi ok no problem, I’m not a super good dogfighter but that is how F-16 should fight, its a rate fighter it shouldnt fight like a delta wing how it was shown in the wideo. And me in game, my nick is I_hate_sparks
@@sukhoifanboi I thought you were talking about the Detcord too at first, I think that is a gunsight camera, does it not retract ? You can in some of the Aircraft in DCS
The JF-17 has some insane first turn performance, and then the sustained turn performance too. It's just a great dogfighter. Perhaps a Gripen could beat it more easily
i think f-16a is better than gripen right now
@@sukhoifanboiGripen is still better, but block 10 matches it in some areas
That F16 was honestly lucky. He made a ton of mistakes. Like many other F16 pilots on WT, he was yanking on the stick the whole time, not letting himself gain any speed to actually rate fight properly. You could see he was on the verge of stalling that whole fight with how slow he was. But gg in the end. More fights like that and I’m sure the JF-17 would've come out on top a majority of the time
it did come out on top majority of the time this was the best dogfight we had tho so i showed this one, idc if i lose as long as it makes a good video that is nice on the eyes
Great cinematography! Awesome video dude
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow this is amazing! I’m currently passively grinding this and I’m very excited. Definitely seems more excited than the F-4 and Harrier gameplay I’m used to in the British tree. I really enjoyed your cinematic in this video as well on a side note.
@@Truck_Company_84 I got another video going to be released soon vs a Gripen and tbh the Gripen smacks jf 17 almost all the time
@@sukhoifanboi Sorry for the late response, but I’ll now check it out!
The block IiI of this aircraft would literally be OP. Im guessing that would be more of a competition to better jets like the gripen.
I think j10 may have surpassed Gripen but idk I don’t have it
looking good!
Thank you! Cheers!
get that thing spaded asap bro the thing is amazing against f-16 when it is maxed out
yes its good
F-16 would have had a much easier time dealing with the fight if he stuck it to a 2 circle fight, im still saddened to see the f16 over performs in the one circle, if it got neefed as it should, the 2 circle would be its only choice.
But noted that you were flying the jeff stock, i dont own but test fly it alot, been seeing its sustained, aoa limits and rudder limits, jeff would easily win the scissors when spaded, and lack of thrist wouldnt be much of an issue.
None the less, well job from the both of ypu keeping those aircraft in good smooth control in the scissor, that aint easy to learn.
tbh one big thing i forgot to do was drop my missiles at the start, i had 4 ir missiles strapped to me the whole time. i dont really mind the f 16a where it is bc its not even a realistic representation of what youd actually be going up against in a real match. i think f16c is what youll be paired up against and f16c is in a good place how it is rn. but f16c wasnt even competitive in dogfight vs this so we did the f16A
@@sukhoifanboi ik I was referring to the block 40 and 50
@@WOLFER.Its not as easy as you think we reach a point were gaijin themselves said it's very hard to model the fm for the f16 correctly so it would either be underperforming or overperforming which what we got and honestly the same could be said for all of aircraft as this game is old as fuck and they only just patch issues instead of fixing them which made gameplay at times for this game to become worse
@alphawolf1786 yeah that's understandable but I think I know why it might be so difficult (theories btw 😅) one is probably the spaghetti code, engine model, or my final reason, the values to need be extremely precise and that would take way to much time to do.
awesome 🎉 , the dogfighter that red side desperately needed. Let's hope they will not nerf it into the ground like all rusian planes are now. The video is at best quality man, thank you for your hard work man ! 😊 Mountain terain really makes the fight more interesting !!!
Glad you liked the vid man!
Well, one day they will fix F-16’s flight models, I mean low speed thrust and performance and high alpha performance (Deep stall thing in high AoA pulls alone makes F-16 one of the worst 1C fighters in the world yet in WT it is the one and only plane that wins stall speed 1C fights even against flankers and at least on par with M2K which is absolutely ridiculous). I don’t mind that it has higher sustained turn rates than it should, it would be absolutely OK but if it had somewhat realistic 1C performance.
i feel like flanker and mirage can beat f16a in 1C but yes it pulls hard af in 1C
My country operated F16 and Mig21(nato modernised version) in parallel. During the airshows the F16 barely could do a turn over the airfield perimeter meanwhile the the mig21 was full of high AoA shinenigans. They were both military configuration, as we do not have an acrobatic special team. So the F16 low speed performance we have in game is very very alterated in favor of the whining kids.
That F-16 pilot is noob, he should have started rate fight instead nose to nose scissors and he would win easly
@@i_hate_sparksrafa8586 you should 1v1 me and try out that hypothesis
lol yea 1v1 him
@@sukhoifanboi ok no problem, I’m not a super good dogfighter but that is how F-16 should fight, its a rate fighter it shouldnt fight like a delta wing how it was shown in the wideo. And me in game, my nick is I_hate_sparks
@@i_hate_sparksrafa8586f16 can give a few good turns in the one circle
@@i_hate_sparksrafa8586I added you, would be best if you join discord in description so we can schedule something
1:19 that 'peice of metal' on the canopy is actually the detcord that explodes to break the canopy when the pilot ejects
no the piece of metal on the front of the hud above "FP-A"
@@sukhoifanboi I thought you were talking about the Detcord too at first, I think that is a gunsight camera, does it not retract ? You can in some of the Aircraft in DCS
Awful performance from your side