Original 1960 Gibson Les Paul "Burst" vs. 2020 Custom Shop Reissue
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- Before you watch this video, make sure to watch the blind test HERE: • BLIND TEST: Original 1...
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0:00 Intro
1:30 Low Gain Blues 1960 Burst
2:19 Low Gain Blues 2020 Custom Shop Reissue
3:04 Low Gain Rock 2020 Custom Shop Reissue
3:26 Low Gain Rock 1960 Burst
3:52 Clean Picking 2020 Custom Shop Reissue
4:32 Clean Picking 1960 Burst
5:12 High Gain Heavy Rock 1960 Burst
6:03 High Gain Heavy Rock 2020 Custom Shop Reissue
6:56 Solo over Backing Track 2020 Custom Shop Reissue
8:05 Solo over Backing Track 1960 Burst
Amp: Fender Hotrod Deluxe
Drive: Vahlbruch Kaluna
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It would be nice to swap the pickups on both and see how the 1960 pickups behave in a newer LP
I ve been playing for 31 years and every time i see this guy play i learn something new
Thanks for doing these videos. Great playing and tones. Invaluable for people looking at the new CS stuff who are trying to get close to the original. 🤘
My quick take away regarding the tone.... '60 has more low mids(upper mid and high presence) and "authority!!" The CS sounds fantastic but not nearly as gnarly and raw as the '60. I think I can live with a new one for the cost differential 🤣
Sounds fantastic. You’re a great player. Thanks for sharing
@8:07 God DAMN SON!!! You're making that fucking Gibson SING!! 😍😎🤘
In the hands of a player like Michael, and in a full mix, the reissue would be virtually identical. The original is about 2% more 3D sounding on the bloom of the notes and a tiny more full, but that's really nitpicking. NOBODY would quibble with the reissue
I just bought a 2020 R9. They really are great guitars. The Real burst definitely had the edge but the new ones are close enough considering the mountainous difference in price. Your playing is soaring man. Killer. Thanks.
I think the new ones sound amazing and can only imagine how good the custom shop will be in 40 years. The way I think about it, the 50s they stumbled onto a formula that actually wouldn’t be popular till the mid 60s, the way they build them now is incredible and I would be willing to bet the new one will be just as incendiary maybe a little better. Personally I’m okay with my R0
Exactly! I think one underappreciated factor is the slow aging of the wood + pickup magnets slowly weakening a bit over several decades...give the reissues 30-40 years and they're going to sound even better than they do now.
Well the wood used for the guitar already came from a tree that was over 50+ years old probably. People seem to think the wood used for the guitars are 1 day one as if the tree grew over night. Trees take a long time to fully mature. Like 6-7 times longer than it takes a human to mature.
@@Michael-bt6ht you’re right but compared to an original burst, the real thing has wood that’s even older than the reissues
Ich empfand es als reeelativ eindeutig. Hat sich dann auch bestätigt. Aber erstaunlich... und sehr interessant. Vielen Dank für das Video!
Very cool. Yes, i heard exactly what you described. That the 'clearer' tone of B was the original, while the more 'muted' tone of A was the new one.
Awesome playing.
Wirklich sehr interessantes Video, danke! Ich hätte gerne beide! ;-) Und tierisch gut gespielt!
That pot scratch at 2:00 gave it away
Riley....I thought the same thing
I guessed Guitar A. It was just warmer sounding. Man are these close! I had a slight advantage because I just got a 1960 60th anniversary custom shop like he is playing as guitar B. I could tell the difference because I know the sound of mine so well. The rissue is a great guitar, and I am hoping it mellows out over time as the Capacitors break in and the magnets in the pickups weaken slightly. Who knows, in 20 years it might sound like a real 1960 burst!
Guitar A also has open coil pickups/no cover.
Ganz tolles Spiel - mit zwei tollen Instrumenten! :eine Menge Riffs zum Abguckwn :-)
Gibson and Fender are making the best guitars they've ever made right now. Quality control is so much better today. I have several Gibson Custom Shop guitars and several Fender Custom Shop guitars and they're all amazing. I also have a Fender Player Strat and it's really good.
2020 re-issue sounds clearer / cleaner. Both great sounding
We’re the tones knobs identical? On some riffs I hear B with the warmth of A and others I don’t. Are you adjusting the tone knobs with each riff or were they left at a consistent setting? With a slight tone adjustment they would be 95% identical.
This video not only shows the versatility of the les Paul, it also highlights how subjective tone is and how really the only people that will likely be able to tell the difference with any confidence are the people in the fortunate position to play and or own them. I love my reissue and I’m well aware I’ll not have the spare cash to drop on a real burst anytime soon, if ever, but it does highlight what a good job Gibson can do when they are getting it right. I for one had no idea which was which, but then again I’ve never even seen one outside of a book or screen.
Thanks Michael.........Gibson CS are certainly producing some great guitars........and I really like the Custombuckers just excellent pickups.......cheers for this, tops as usual!!
wow gibson custom shop really approached with these custombucker they sound very original, obviously if I notice a difference between the old and new, the original gives a warmer sound a little darker but balanced and the new one can be a little brighter but it gives tone to a classic paf I have a pair of custombuckers on my les paul , it resonates very well
That 60 sound is so pure
Well I did prefer guitar A in the blind test but, I wouldn't say no to either of them. They both sound fantastic.
There was alot of variance in vintage les Paul's in terms of time especially in the pickups . Some sounded like teles on steroids and were bright and snappy while others were warmer and fatter and not so much like teles on steroids . The tele on steroids sound was becuase of variance on the pickups. Many pafs were accidentally given uneven coil windings because the winding machines did not have automatic shutoffs or turn counters and with the uneven coil windings you get some of the single coil sound coming back in so it's not a full humbucker. Also sometimes the slug coil had more windings which resulted in a more growling and honky tone and other times the screw coil had more windings which resulted in a brighter thinner more biting tone .. The 1960 in this video is an early 1960 because after early 60 the double whites disappeared and the early 1960 led Paul's are pretty much identical to the 59 les pauls. There were 3 different 1960 les Paul's which had different neck carves changes to the finish and change in pickup tone the latter 1960 les Paul's are usually brighter and more biting with more growl bit less body than the early 1960 examples. I bet you could find latter 1960 les Paul's that sound much closer to the 2020 than the one in this video . The 2020 reissue les Paul's are absolutely great guitars.
That's why gibson released soany variables of the 60 LP.
I think the reflector knobs look the best. But the 59 neck feels better than the thinner SG type neck on the later ones. Plus I'm never been a fan of the tomato soup finish. I like the faded cherry colors more.
Not that I wouldn't love to own ANY original LP lol.
Would be great to know the difference in resistance /induction between the models - - and also the measured pot values. May be the only difference.
Hat die 60iger vintage burst nich den originalen Nylon Sattel? Die (Gitarre A) klang für mich eher nicht danach (Knochensattel?).
6:56 thanks for the shivers
How can you compared one from the other when the pickup sets are very different. Apples / Oranges idk
I felt confident as I picked correctly (A is the 1960) not only blind, but also with hearing damage, while monitoring from a phone speaker. ...but I have a 2011 R9, and know the sound of Custombuckers enough to recognize their nuances.
That said; value wise, there is no real comparison, as the reissues sound, play, and look amazing at a fraction of the price of a burst.
Would love to hear how the usa standard 50s and 60s les Paul's stack up against vintage les Paul's especially with upgraded pickups that are al little more paf like than burstbuckers. I really like burstbuckers 1 2 and 3 especially the 2 and 3 but they are quite different from a real paf and are not really a paf clone. They are more like a paf style pickup or paf influenced pickup rather than a straight up paf clone . They are fantastic pickups if you want something that splits the difference between vintage and modern . They are more a modified paf type .
What are some you would consider more PAF like? I'm looking for advice on upgrading my BB 57/57+. Prefer something below $300 for the pair.
@@PeterSz73 I’ve got sheptone tributes on my 60s LP Standard and they sound awesome at a great price.
I’m surprised I was wrong, I was pretty confident lol. Just goes to show.....and considering the fact that I’m saving up for an R9 and not an authentic half million dollar burst, I’d say it’s all good
How squealy are the pickups in the 2020? I'm assuming Custombuckers?
I really don't believe all the hype around vintage guitars. The only thing I might agree on is that vintage guitars have been played alot more therefore they feel more broken in and comfortable. I think there are great guitars and not so great guitars. This is true for any era.
You clearly have never played an original.
@@Rgunt8905you know my experience best
I can hear a difference when the bridge pickups are played. Especially with the first riff. Otherwise, I can't hear any difference. I'm not sure what I prefer. I wonder if they 'feel' different to play. If you were blind folded and unable to hear what would you prefer?
Both sound great. The 60 had some balls though.
The CS had more Presence and that is the only difference. if you were to back down the presence on the amp you could get the CS to sound exact to the old one. I like the extra presence in this clip. gives it more tele twang.
Both of sweet !! It depends on the person's taste.
Extremely late to the party and had the benefit of knowing. With that said, this reissue sounded a bit constipated , tight and thin compared to the original. However, I have had reissue examples that were stellar in every way and some that no matter what you did to it, just wouldn’t give up the goods. I’m sure that same go’s for the originals. Another question that comes to mind is how original is your original? Nice job on the video.
I have to say I much preferred B. It just sounded that bit sweeter.
I think Gibson is making the best Les Pauls they have ever made. They are getting the Les Paul sound just right. The sound from B was just that little bit more complex and interesting.
For me the original has a 'cleaner' bite...not by much, but I can hear it's a bit cleaner and I like that ❤
Oh BS!🤣Those that get into the Minutia saying the original was more 3D sounding and they heard this and they heard that
are full of crap! and guess what people when that same tone is in context with a full band all those little details become
masked anyway! Hey it's their money if they insist it has to be a original but i like to stick with truth. Besides as awesome
as the old ones are i am not like Joe B where it would go to shows with me. not a chance! For me the question now is, Was the original worth $340,000 more? Hell no!😁
I got the 50's Standard instead....both excellent Anyways U got very lucky with
mine 8.4 lbs which is pleasantly unusual for both these models AND the shop dressed and leveled the frets before he put it out for sale On its way as we chat I bought a brand new 97 R9 that was spectacular (4400 dollars) New one was half that Really shouldn't need anymore new guitar's LoL 😆
The standard sounds good on its own but the clearer sound of the custom shop would cut better through a mix.
I have to refuse my statement below.... by hearing it a second time... there are lots of differences... and it sounds to more music
especially in the solo parts (Original)
I think 1960 LP pickups sounds very close to Dimarzio 59 PAF's.
Funny.....I wasn't interested in spotting the real deal" as I don't believe in the "real deal" stuff anyways..If it's good it's good no matter when it was built. I DID however liked the original real deal 60's Lester after all. It sounded cleaner and at the same time heavier :) Still, my CC 59 Lester is as good as it gets...I was lucky enough to buy one of the good ones and it's a keeper. Not the most versatile or easy to play guitar but I love it :)
I picked A WHEN U DID THE SOLOING TOWARD THE END! But with distortion you cant tell, at all, in fact i dont like lp.s at all with all that distortion....Im a heavy blues guy!.....I like to here the notes, i love a good fuzz with a lp, especially with heavy riff based blues....
In the neck position the original is noticeably bigger and richer. Undeniable.
Both guitars sound great. The original has more “oomph” but I guess that with a bit of EQ and amp tweaking you possibly could get approaching results for 1/10th of the price of the original one. Unless you are Joe Bonamassa, I guess it doesn’t really matter… does it ?
4:32 The '60 Burst clean shows more bell-like character compared to the '20 @ 3:52. Part of the treble presence however could be the removal of covers which in itself creates a treble peak. The '20 covers should have been removed to be a decent comparison. All the other recordings were very similar since they were distorted and we heard more of the amp or pedal sound than the actual guitar when the base guitar sound is already in a similar ballpark. 90% of the time should be spent on analysing clean undistorted tone comparisons.
I was thinking the same thing
You took the words right out of my mouth! The original had a little more character to me - fuller, smoother. I play a 1968 Custom that I bought in 1974 and I'm quite sensitive to how much 'depth' or 'body' newer Gibsons have (or don't have). Also I mainly play 'clean' and that's the real test of an instrument, really. That said, having played a few 60th Anniversary Standards and a couple of other recent custom shops that they sound great and I imagine in a few years they may well 'settle down' - I don't think it's just acoustics that open up after a year or two of playing . . . the playing here is a good comparison for both, tasty, but a bit more clean stuff would have been nice.
The 1960 burst wins . Incomparable.
U guys guitar A has the ‘bell tone’ from PAF guitar B dose not have bell tone. Just crunch sound. Bell tone likes bluebird singing sound :-)
the 50:50 result is the absolute proof that noone hears the difference
I have that same blue shirt XD
Mir hat Gitarre B wirklich besser gefallen, sanfter. Vielleicht hätte man zum Vergleich die Pickupkappen entfernen sollen.
I am late to the party, but I was actually able to tell them apart.
That’s what I thought…..
A is the original 60. My God, I don’t know
but to me the difference in sound is huge.
Those are to my ears two completely different
sounding guitars. Both sound great for what
and how they sound. But for my taste A is the sound I prefer.
The 60 has a more 3D sound... The 20 has a more 2D sound...
My fears came true...
Tell me what is that?, im just curious..
@@bewusstsein3527 there’s just something about those real 59s. I love my 60th anniversary and they’re the best Les Pauls I’ve ever gotten to play but I think there’s something there that happens with age that can’t be replicated. Maybe these new custom shops will be even better when they’re 60 years old!
@@okaytastic6691 i guess its because the society agree that 59 is special.. we are programmed to believe it because we are hooked through the foundation and basis of that belief through someone telling us it was indeed special.. if we can maneuver our perception of reality and think it was the 60's is special, will the outcome change? I guess ,, yes.
@@bewusstsein3527 agreed! I just like great guitars new or old, expensive or cheap
@@okaytastic6691 yes, that is how they robbed us through programming or grooming our waking conciousness.. its a great technique and so far they ( bussinessman) succeeded..
Good news i found the Burst, there are half a million of bad news...
Hahahaha. Just had the same toughts. My ears put me in trouble.
love your videos man!
Ich hatte für B gestimmt aber gehofft es wäre A.
I can tell the difference all day blind test
Well aren't you special!
The 1960 cannot be a 1960 unless it’s super, super early. Maybe a late ‘59. Either way, it has the amber barrel knobs and Kluson tuners. It’s gotta be a ‘59 or really early ‘60 if it’s a ‘60 at all.
Yes, it's a very early 60s which still has the 59 specs.
The custom shop sounds hollow and thin compared to the original 60, which sounds more woody, warm an loud.. I mean, perfect LOL
Pas photo..la custom shop est bien en dessous et fort heureusement d ailleurs..
The original one sounds better to me
La 60 beaucoup plus chaude, mieux équilibrée, beaux médiums.. sonne un plus vintage que la cs, mais ça ne justifie pas la différence de prix...bon on achète la légende aussi...une vraie de vraie..
i knew instantly. the 60 is just 'live'. way better.
The good tones come from your fingers!
Thank you!
i like B lol
I can't tell the difference, but I'm def no expert.
the poeple are also right here.... the majority.... the second guitar sounds like a new guitar...
but... not bad... the Copie sounds not as bad as most think of.... put Brasilien Rosewood on the neck and it sound s not even much different worse to the original... may be there are differences in the pickups
The real burst sounds much twangier, its easy to hear the difference, the wood and electronic sounds much better
At least now i know i wont have to spend $350,000 for a guitar to get the tone i like!😆 I liked guitar B and even though i am a little
surprised i got it wrong i still win! at least my wallet does!🤣
2020 LP sounds most of the times as a guitar in a song of the band "The Darkness", a sound who pretend to be "genuine '70 PAF humbuckers tone". (I don't know if you understand me...)
The 1960 LP is a real guitar with a vintage sound, the tipical "twang" tone , fat and loud with a big sustain , you can hear in a Paul Kossof guitar playing with the band "Free" .
Sorry guys but to my ears the difference from the original one is pretty huge...
me too. way better
The 1960 smokes the young pretender. Not even close.
I hear 0 difference
There are too many variables to compare . Just interchanging the pickups alone would be an indication of that . These A/B videos are a waste of time .......