In the book, they use a blue bomb because it's supposed to be a big secret, clandestine op. Even the ground crew was to think it was a training bomb, I guess. The bomb body was paper mache or something because they didn't want pieces to be found after. Not saying that makes it realistic, but that's what I remember from the book.
If I remember the book correctly, it is supposed to be a blue bomb. Or at least painted like a blue bomb. Since its a black operation, the aircraft (I think it should be an A-6) is only flying out to an "exercise". They hit the truck to simulate a car bomb on the cartel, so it doesn't look like the work of the Americans. The bomb is to dissolve completely as to leave no evidence.
I remember reading that. They were scouting houses around the location they were filming when they spotted it and yea, they ownersaid no need to be stingy or complicated with the pyrotechnics. Straight up plant your explosives, blow the bitch, and it'll be one of our favorite scenes from the movies. Seeing that house get bombed. Rewind, watch again. Rewind...
@@TheNotFakeBot212 search Los Angeles Times. "Company Town : Clear and Present Proposal to Expand a Partnership : Film: Producers Mace Neufeld and Robert Rehme want to bring outside financing to their projects for Paramount." "There was the rebellion in southern Mexico that nearly cost them the right to film special-effects explosives scenes in that country, which they used as a double for Colombia. Then there was the scene that called for blowing up a drug lord’s home--a problem finally solved when they found a couple going through a bitter divorce who were eager to off their house."
"So, huh, looking at all the things that are going wrong here, his canopy is open, his ladder is down, the engine is not working, so, he's not doing so hot in this attack access." LMAO!!! 😆
@@realQuiGon "Lion 52. Emergency. My RIO just ejected." LOL 😆, thank you for the link QuiGon, what an amazing story, especially cause it was involved my favorite fighter jet ever 😌.
Technical Advisor: "We should probably put a different view on the left hand display..." Director: "But all that stuff looks more interesting, besides, no one can freeze frame the movie so they'll never know..."
It's been several years since I read "Clear and Present Danger", if memory serves me correctly the bomb was supposed to be an experimental 1000 lb. (or 2000 lb) bomb that was designed with a casing that would disintegrate in the blast and leave virtually no trace that it was an air dropped bomb. In the movie they make it seem like targeting the truck was an afterthought where as in the book the plan was to target a vehicle in near the building in an attempt to make it look like it was a car bomb assassination attempt by a rival cartel.
I could swear that the bomb beeing non-tracable and made from cellulose is a thing in the movie as well. Irrc, Ryan gets this information from reading a "Jane's" book.
@@carstenbohme8813 It was in the movie as well. The thing that I was pointing out was them designating the truck as the target. In the book the plan was to hit a vehicle that was close to the building giving the appearance of an assassination attempt by a rival cartel, where as in the movie it seemed to be an afterthought, almost a joke to target the truck.
@@snowbear163 But that is not the impression that you get in the movie, where until the cartel leader shows up in the truck they are all set to target the front entrance of the building. After the truck arrives, in almost a joking manner (rather than in any tactical or covert reason) they shift the target to the truck. In the book, if I remember it correctly the plan always was to target a vehicle in an attempt to make it look like a car bomb. They even make comments in the book about how the cartel members were specifically parking their cars away from the main building making it difficult for them to use that plan, at least until the cartel leader drives up in his big truck and parks it right outside the building entrance.
So I'm going to stop watching your videos when I'm bored in a meeting at work. When you started naming all of the stuff that was wrong on the left screen, I busted out laughing, ESPECIALLY when you said his engine wasn't running. LMAO! Everyone looked at me like something was wrong with me. Great video dude, as usual!
I remember reading many years ago that when they first began using laser guided bombs against N Vietnamese bridges they called "start the music" and "musics on" when designating. It was supposed to fool the Vietnamese that the bombs were laser guided.
Honestly, that wasn't a terrible depiction of a strike. It wasn't a rocket bomb, they didn't ripple 2 PGMs on the same target, the F-18 didn't fly at 400 ft for no reason, and a JTAC lasing the thing makes some sense, particularly for the time period. There were lots of little things wrong, but it was all set up in a realistic framework.
Coincidentally, I'm reading the book now. In the book, the bombs were dropped off an A-6 Intruder from 40,000 feet. The bombs were the same size and shape as "low drag" 2000lb bombs, they used almost 1000lbs of octol, and had a paper case. And, yes, they were painted blue.
One of my favorite movies and this was one of my fav scenes. I do recall thinking how the Hornet didnt have any AAMs for self defence and sensed they may have got other stuff wrong too but of course had no idea what. So just wow, to see an real Hornet pilot point out all those errors and the fact that it was a sim is quite something! Thanks so much for this cool vid. Makes you wonder why Hollywood does not make that little bit of effort to get these little things right. Subbed!
I don't think that film how to plane and drop a bomb for real military techniques on a Hollywood movie was a good idea. Hollywood is fiction not a pilots university.
The Carrier was in the area for an exercise and Robbie was on board to check out a tactic that he came up with. One of the ordinance guys showed him the bomb in the armory. The CAG took an A-6 to fly the mission and flew the profile of an airliner then dropped the bomb from 40k and used his TRAM pod to ensure targeting. There was two bombs dropped and Robbie noticed them and asked his boss about it and got data from his brother then asked Jack about it. The other aircraft involved were two F-14 from Pax to Jax, and an F-15 from FL to Panama. Along with the Pave Low CH-53.
I remember an episode of The Fighter Pilot Podcast where a pilot told that during routine patrols of Irak after the war they would fly routinely with one bomb just in case they were called in for support during patrol. The reason for just one bomb was to avoid jettisoning excessive amounts of munitions into the ocean before landing back on the carrier.
Yea , they were spending crazy dough and got cheap real quick , this is why the thunder runs , and NO DRAFT , if we really invaded , “ which would have reshaped the whole results , ppl from AZ would have been opening 7- Elevens in Baghdad without any post invasion violence , , no Draft , no HOLD on the territory from a cultural dominance , but there is no money on a victorious conflict , is there ? there always has to be a constant excuse to come back ,
Yup I've actually got a photo from the refueling pod of a KC-10 a family friend sent me of an F-18 with I think a Mk-83 under the starboard wing and a fuel tank under the port wing and AIM-9s on the wingtips circa 2004.
Please do the "Wyvern" intercept scene from Patlabor 2 for that sweet, sweet F-15 ACTIVE feature. For my money that's the most realistic air scene in any movie.
I’ve been watching these for so long that it’s hard to remember which scenes were done well. It would be cool to have an episode dedicated to the good (or better) scenes.
I always love these little details you give. The Rock also has a short couple scenes with a briefing and airstrike, don’t know if that’d be worth the time
We live in a world where the DCS F/A-18C is a thing and I'm am extremely curious how well Top Gun: Maverick is going to handle cockpit stuff. 80's cartoon cheese? Maybe an 18C cockpit for a Rhino? Something in between?
@@StoryboardMindset I haven't played any of those apart from a very old rainbow six back in the 90s. I was referring to his books. Especially the parts regarding the USSR and Russia, those were quite funny most of the time. If he was an expert, it don't show in his fiction at all.
fun fact: during the black hawk scene, the black hawk pilot says, "lets take her down now. we're going down". this is actual audio from the tomcat pilot who shot down a libyan mig which can be watched on youtube
I don't understand why Hollywood doesn't hire an aviator to just run through how everything would be. Honestly, it would be a couple of thousand dollars. There would be a line of people like Mover trying to get the Gig just for shits and giggles, and they would have an accurate scene. I DO understand that sometimes theatrically some stuff is impossible or not desired, but they can then at least give the best option. For example, the director of 'Tears of the Sun' probably didn't want the scene to be taken from the right side of the aircraft so all the 'arming bombs' stuff was done from the left, but there would have been other ways of skinning that particular cat.
Hey lemoine the only reason I find New videos is because I always stay on your channel. I have done everything but I don't get any of your videos recommended to me but I do get other channels anyway I love what you do keep it up stay safe and good bye 🙂
I would give them props to use a real F/A 18C Cockpit and also the real avionics. As a DCS Player i instantly recognized all the Warnings on the left DDI, the SAFE Letters on the right etc, but who in the 90, except for real Hornet Pilots, would instantly look at this spot? Bad examples may be in Indipendence Day with this strange MachMeter or as you said: Tears of the sun. Thanks for all that info, also with the standard loadout etc.
4:51 I'm sure this is a DVD copy of the film. You probably couldn't see the left screen clearly on the original film or VHS version and that's why nobody corrected it.
I think I can just jump in a plan and fly it with watching these Mover TH-cams! Tell you what though, I do a ton of analysis and these videos are great at helping me to look for things, as well orchestrate my own analysis. Currently it is with paranormal investigation, and I thought I was there, but according to what I am analyzing, things were a lot more active than I thought. Rational explanations are very fleeting. For the next one, not only buying more tech, but eating the manuals as well. Not only the equipment finds ways to become nonfunctional, but you get foggy brained and black out as well, and the start up procedures the pilots always take with them, is something I have to develop and discipline myself with.
The Hollywood guys should have spent and should spend some of their money to hire competent, experienced Air Force and/or Navy pilots to check and double-check the realism of these scenes. It's time for movies showing air combat and bombing to hire MOVER as their technical consultant!
Oh, man. I always wanted to know if it was realistic for Willem's character to advise, "Circular error probability: zero. Impact with high-order detonation. Have a nice day."
I tried to find info on what I remember watching on television, but cannot find a webpage discussing this... The reason you see clouds or the ground / water in any flight scene is that it was discovered in black and white film days that you have no reference for speed or motion of whatever is in flight. There was an old canvas plane, bi-plane / ww-i dog fight in a film with planes flying against a perfectly clear sky. It turned out to not be all that watchable because any reference for distance, speed, scale, etc cannot be established by the viewer. As a result every flight film after (in hollywood atleast) uses some type of cloudy sky or ground / water backdrop against the plane or object in flight. That is my guess for the bomb falling through undercast, in addition to the way the bomb rendering + scale/ size had to transition as it 'fell' further from the camera POV (an inherent limitation for special effects at the time)
Next The Rock with Nicholas Cage, however there is a scene that describes the bombs used. Can you also comment about the weapons and how realistic it is? Then just rip the rest of it apart.
i was army field artillery in 1989. i saw this movie during college about 10 times. loved the black hawk scenes. the movie used real fighter pilot audio for the black hawk scenes..... "lets take her down. we're going down"
I'm willing to forgive the "Easy Rhino" callsign as that sounds really cool. Also, you missed my favorite part - at the end of that scene where he does the BDA. "Circular error probability zero. Impact with high-order detonation. Have a nice day.” :)
I was not a pilot, but the Sniper scenes in this movie were hilarious, as were the movements of the ODA in the field when engaging the drug lab. So knowing this, I assume the F18 scenes were equally gimped
"Normally we wouldn't fly with an asymmetric load" I've seen pictures of CF-18s with asymmetric loads in Syria/Iraq in recent years. Was going to ask if you could talk about why they would do that sometime.
As a load, this was explained in the book. Hornet has 1 bomb because the official coverup was an experimental bomb drop. It is quite normal in new weapon development to fly with one ordinance only.
So... 1 bomb only on the strike plane, probably one bomb only, so they could claim later that, if that plane was detected (visually) for some reason after drop, they could claim "on, wasn't us - that was a training flight, clean plane - look, here's a photo of it in-flight/landing"
I mentioned saying the same things when i see movies trying to use military...well just about anything. Love your vids. thank you for the reality on these !
Really interesting comments and an enjoyable video, Mover! I only catch weird details in army flicks set in the 60s through 80s. Hollywood tries, but usually they should try harder. "Over and out"
In the book, they didn't use F18s. The attack aircraft in the book were A6s I think, or F14s (I can't remember if Robbie Jackson flew that mission). Also featured was an F15.
Your channel is very good, in 24 season 4 there are some scenes of jets, one is the air force one attack and the other is in the last episode a search for a missile, there are more scenes if I'm not mistaken.
The movie is on NZ Netflix right now, and is otherwise a firm favourite - and yes, all critique are true. Its more fun in DCS World to do the same sort of mission, but I always take Sidewinders and AMRAAM's, because its dangerous out there. Thanks for the critique, its much appreciated.
The brief hornet scene in Clear And Present Danger is very cool, maybe not as cool as the F-14 and deck action or Miramar action in Top Gun but only because there was just the launching and bomb drop as a very short time on screen. C&PD has the best camera sequence to date for an LGB being dropped even if it was a model bomb with a greenscreen, especially that GBU-12 sliceing through the clouds with the slow rotation, revealing the jungle lanscape below as it homed in, or rather ballistic until the last minute lase! Beautiful footage! In the book the bomb was a 2000lb class LGB and the explosion of the mansion clearly is closer to a 2000lb than a 500lb bomb but that's fine. Clear & Present Danger is the best of the original Clancy series but Patriot Games is dang close to best. Whilem Defoe and James Jones are pretty much at their best in C&PD, and Harrison is again very good and still better than Alec Baldwin. Hunt for Red October is good maybe tied for best with C&PD but its hard to say for sure. Maybe I'd revise this and say C&PD is the best, followed by Hunt for Red October 2nd best and Patriot Games is a very close 3rd.
Oh yeh the blue practice bomb color was off but hey that's fine to, no one wanted to push the Navy into filming a live bomb on a jet, whatever still a great sequence in the film!
The Russian boat crew actors like Sean Conory and others as well as Dallas skipper played by Scott Glen, and again James Earl Jones, all these really good actors, their acting really dialed in made Hunt for Red October fanfriggintastic, not to forget it being a really great story line as well, thanks to the late Tom Clancy!
Clear and Present Danger has one of my favorite aviation scenes and I do not know why , though it might have to do with how stoic the pilots delivery is.
The fins also deploy way too late. The lanyard to the release lever activates the wing deployment as the bomb falls out of the rack. The guidance unit could pick up the track of the laser as it came through the clouds as the target is being painted by the team on the ground. Hardly ideal but theoretically plausible. From a pod on the aircraft down to the ground and the bomb tracking as it falls... agreed it isnt seeing it through the clouds. Good job on explaining the bang bang guidance.
Regarding all the alarms showing in cockpit could the easy answer be that people who make movies believe that airplanes work in the same way a car does and think that for something to be wrong a bright red light has to be flashing, if it´s green everything is ok and the more the merrier? And yes, they could spend 10 minutes of research but hey, Hollywood.
Some context, because the scene isn't explained in the movie like the book. The bomb isn't a standard GBU. It was an experimental weapon. It has a cellulose case - if i remember right, it was a 1000 pound GBU bomb, but with a paper case and a higher fill weight. And it was filled with octol, not the usual tritonal, octol is pound for pound, much more energetic and quite a bit more expensive (its used in nuclear weapons to compress the primary) . And it was painted blue. It was covered as a drop ex - only the pilot and BN, (in the book it was an A6) their direct commander, and the CIA knew they dropped it into colombia. The idea was to make the airstrike look like a car bomb or other ground based attack. The weapon would leave no bomb fragments or shrapnel. Just blast. So thats why the blue bomb, and the asymmetric load.
Career submariner, one of my favorite movies is 'The Hunt for Red October', but I could easily fill up a full hour with all of thing things they got wrong on that one. On the other hand, one of the worst submarine movies, 'Crimson Tide' would likely be a four hour video, at least; especially given the fact the Alabama is the boat I retired off of. I haven't read the book, 'Clear and Present Danger', so I don't know how much they deviated from Clancy's original work. A lot of the stuff you pointed out in the Hornet would have been right in the book. But, I cannot read Clancy, he is to naval technology what Steinbeck is to a sunrise or a turtle crossing the road. I met him once, when he came down to the boat for a tour, he was a total horse's ass and strutted around like he was a fleet admiral.
Plane Captain to Navy Pilot: Sir, the APU is shot to pieces, left stab is not responding to FCS, port engine is flamed out from last mission, no ATFLIR targeting pod available, we have only one LGB available, ladder is locked in the open position, we ran out of leg harnesses, and the airframe is overG'd you're limited to 68 knots maximum cruise airspeed. Navy Pilot: Great, where do I sign for the jet.
No mention of it being a blue bomb
I actually did and then edited it out because I couldn’t tell the color. 🤷♂️
In the book, they use a blue bomb because it's supposed to be a big secret, clandestine op. Even the ground crew was to think it was a training bomb, I guess. The bomb body was paper mache or something because they didn't want pieces to be found after. Not saying that makes it realistic, but that's what I remember from the book.
I never read the book so I was unaware. We loaded many blue bombs with LGB kits back in 2007 so I know its semi-normal. I just thought it was funny.
If I remember the book correctly, it is supposed to be a blue bomb. Or at least painted like a blue bomb. Since its a black operation, the aircraft (I think it should be an A-6) is only flying out to an "exercise". They hit the truck to simulate a car bomb on the cartel, so it doesn't look like the work of the Americans. The bomb is to dissolve completely as to leave no evidence.
@@Rmanaseri But blue would still be training rounds, right? (Also, this one doesn't have the yellow ring.)
They did blow up the house for real because the divorced couple that owned the house wanted it erased from this planet. True Story.
I remember reading that. They were scouting houses around the location they were filming when they spotted it and yea, they ownersaid no need to be stingy or complicated with the pyrotechnics. Straight up plant your explosives, blow the bitch, and it'll be one of our favorite scenes from the movies. Seeing that house get bombed. Rewind, watch again. Rewind...
How much did they sold it for?
Source?
That's fucking awesome
@@TheNotFakeBot212 search Los Angeles Times. "Company Town : Clear and Present Proposal to Expand a Partnership : Film: Producers Mace Neufeld and Robert Rehme want to bring outside financing to their projects for Paramount."
"There was the rebellion in southern Mexico that nearly cost them the right to film special-effects explosives scenes in that country, which they used as a double for Colombia. Then there was the scene that called for blowing up a drug lord’s home--a problem finally solved when they found a couple going through a bitter divorce who were eager to off their house."
"So, huh, looking at all the things that are going wrong here, his canopy is open, his ladder is down, the engine is not working, so, he's not doing so hot in this attack access." LMAO!!! 😆
Other than that, there's nothing wrong with it....
In fairness, we do know the Rafale can fly without a canopy thanks to "ejection dude" a few months ago. Maybe the Hornet is cool with it too. ;)
@@VisibilityFoggy The Tomcat is cool with it too: theaviationgeekclub.com/story-f-14-pilot-able-land-tomcat-without-canopy-rio-erroneously-bailed ;)
@@realQuiGon "Lion 52. Emergency. My RIO just ejected." LOL 😆, thank you for the link QuiGon, what an amazing story, especially cause it was involved my favorite fighter jet ever 😌.
@@kevinmandrile5074 I'm glad you enjoyed the read as well :)
Technical Advisor: "We should probably put a different view on the left hand display..."
Director: "But all that stuff looks more interesting, besides, no one can freeze frame the movie so they'll never know..."
Then along came 4K..... OOPS!
Those warnings actually don't go away no matter what page the left DDI is on
😂😂😂
^^^ This, I bet they intentionally left all that crap in the left display to make it look interesting even if it is silly jibberish
No mention of the hilariously ridicules tiny binoculars he is using that still somehow gets him like X20 magnification
Even worse, I think they’re opera glasses.
2:35 those future micro binoculars are amazing
I wonder how those binoculars cost if they do exist.
They came from Wakanda
@@merikano2985 4 eva!
It's been several years since I read "Clear and Present Danger", if memory serves me correctly the bomb was supposed to be an experimental 1000 lb. (or 2000 lb) bomb that was designed with a casing that would disintegrate in the blast and leave virtually no trace that it was an air dropped bomb. In the movie they make it seem like targeting the truck was an afterthought where as in the book the plan was to target a vehicle in near the building in an attempt to make it look like it was a car bomb assassination attempt by a rival cartel.
Came here to say this. Yep, cellulose cased bomb to fake a car-bomb.
I could swear that the bomb beeing non-tracable and made from cellulose is a thing in the movie as well. Irrc, Ryan gets this information from reading a "Jane's" book.
@@carstenbohme8813 It was in the movie as well. The thing that I was pointing out was them designating the truck as the target. In the book the plan was to hit a vehicle that was close to the building giving the appearance of an assassination attempt by a rival cartel, where as in the movie it seemed to be an afterthought, almost a joke to target the truck.
@@2020Max1 they may have been looking for a vehicle to use and they decided on the big one right in the front.
@@snowbear163 But that is not the impression that you get in the movie, where until the cartel leader shows up in the truck they are all set to target the front entrance of the building. After the truck arrives, in almost a joking manner (rather than in any tactical or covert reason) they shift the target to the truck. In the book, if I remember it correctly the plan always was to target a vehicle in an attempt to make it look like a car bomb. They even make comments in the book about how the cartel members were specifically parking their cars away from the main building making it difficult for them to use that plan, at least until the cartel leader drives up in his big truck and parks it right outside the building entrance.
So I'm going to stop watching your videos when I'm bored in a meeting at work. When you started naming all of the stuff that was wrong on the left screen, I busted out laughing, ESPECIALLY when you said his engine wasn't running. LMAO! Everyone looked at me like something was wrong with me. Great video dude, as usual!
I remember reading many years ago that when they first began using laser guided bombs against N Vietnamese bridges they called "start the music" and "musics on" when designating. It was supposed to fool the Vietnamese that the bombs were laser guided.
They were listening to American comms that time?
@@Joshua_N-A Sure. We listened them and they listened to the US.
Honestly, that wasn't a terrible depiction of a strike. It wasn't a rocket bomb, they didn't ripple 2 PGMs on the same target, the F-18 didn't fly at 400 ft for no reason, and a JTAC lasing the thing makes some sense, particularly for the time period. There were lots of little things wrong, but it was all set up in a realistic framework.
Can a plane light up its own target now? Why couldn't it back then?
Coincidentally, I'm reading the book now. In the book, the bombs were dropped off an A-6 Intruder from 40,000 feet. The bombs were the same size and shape as "low drag" 2000lb bombs, they used almost 1000lbs of octol, and had a paper case. And, yes, they were painted blue.
Hey , that’s great info , nice
Yeah, the CIA was deeply meddling in military operations in the book. Part of why it was a scandal when Ryan found out.
Thanks Mover! It was fun to see what you had to say about this scene
One of my favorite movies and this was one of my fav scenes. I do recall thinking how the Hornet didnt have any AAMs for self defence and sensed they may have got other stuff wrong too but of course had no idea what. So just wow, to see an real Hornet pilot point out all those errors and the fact that it was a sim is quite something! Thanks so much for this cool vid. Makes you wonder why Hollywood does not make that little bit of effort to get these little things right. Subbed!
I don't think that film how to plane and drop a bomb for real military techniques on a Hollywood movie was a good idea.
Hollywood is fiction not a pilots university.
The Carrier was in the area for an exercise and Robbie was on board to check out a tactic that he came up with. One of the ordinance guys showed him the bomb in the armory. The CAG took an A-6 to fly the mission and flew the profile of an airliner then dropped the bomb from 40k and used his TRAM pod to ensure targeting. There was two bombs dropped and Robbie noticed them and asked his boss about it and got data from his brother then asked Jack about it. The other aircraft involved were two F-14 from Pax to Jax, and an F-15 from FL to Panama. Along with the Pave Low CH-53.
The two man team is comprised of John Clark and Domingo “Ding” Chavez. They were the leads in Tom Clancy’s “Rainbow 6” book which released in 1998.
Fun fact: the actor who plays Ding is in Training Day as a latino gangster. His character is called Sniper.
I'd love to see the John Clark origin story made in to a film too.
@@MongooseTacticool Amazon is releasing “Without Remorse” next week. It’s John Kelly/Clark’s origin
@@RedRazorback15 Awesome! Great book.
@Maniac 5000 the rainbow six/without remorse movie has been in development hell for a while.
I remember an episode of The Fighter Pilot Podcast where a pilot told that during routine patrols of Irak after the war they would fly routinely with one bomb just in case they were called in for support during patrol. The reason for just one bomb was to avoid jettisoning excessive amounts of munitions into the ocean before landing back on the carrier.
Yea , they were spending crazy dough and got cheap real quick , this is why the thunder runs , and NO DRAFT , if we really invaded , “ which would have reshaped the whole results , ppl from AZ would have been opening 7- Elevens in Baghdad without any post invasion violence , , no Draft , no HOLD on the territory from a cultural dominance , but there is no money on a victorious conflict , is there ? there always has to be a constant excuse to come back ,
@@leefithian3704 what are you even on about?
Yup I've actually got a photo from the refueling pod of a KC-10 a family friend sent me of an F-18 with I think a Mk-83 under the starboard wing and a fuel tank under the port wing and AIM-9s on the wingtips circa 2004.
Damn you left the coolest part off!! After he confirmed drop.
Circular error probability zero. Impact with high-order detonation. Have a nice day :)
Hey mover can you recreate how you got your call sign in DCS? You can spawn cows ingame :D
I think I speak for the many in this case, we definitely want to see this as a mover special😁😁
Yes pls!!
grim reaper collab incoming!!
Please do the "Wyvern" intercept scene from Patlabor 2 for that sweet, sweet F-15 ACTIVE feature. For my money that's the most realistic air scene in any movie.
Haven't seen this movie in ages, but surprisingly realistic for Hollywood
It was a good movie.
2:35 those future micro binoculars are amazing
I was taking a big swig of coffee when you started listing the things wrong with the F18 based on the side screen. Spit it out. Thanks.
I’ve been watching these for so long that it’s hard to remember which scenes were done well. It would be cool to have an episode dedicated to the good (or better) scenes.
I always love these little details you give. The Rock also has a short couple scenes with a briefing and airstrike, don’t know if that’d be worth the time
I love the way, at the end of these "Mover Ruins Movies" segments, Mover always sighs, exhales and tries to be optimistic about how they tried.
(2:02) One bomb helps balance having only one tail stabilizer.
I guess those cautions and warnings actually make sense!
We live in a world where the DCS F/A-18C is a thing and I'm am extremely curious how well Top Gun: Maverick is going to handle cockpit stuff. 80's cartoon cheese? Maybe an 18C cockpit for a Rhino? Something in between?
I've been playing a lot of the DCS F-18 lately and I felt right at home looking at the cockpit and MFD in this video xD
3:25 Can't say how i love this moments on your channel,you rock man
The combat scenes were actually done pretty well. Their military technical advisor did his job.
2:35 those future micro binoculars are amazing
I'm sure Tom Clancy had a say in keeping it mostly realistic.
@@StoryboardMindset Tom Clancy and realistic doesn't sound right in the same sentence. Not at all.
@@antonbatura8385 The dude was an expert in modern tech and warfare. Don't get his name confused with his company which makes unrealistic games.
@@StoryboardMindset I haven't played any of those apart from a very old rainbow six back in the 90s. I was referring to his books. Especially the parts regarding the USSR and Russia, those were quite funny most of the time. If he was an expert, it don't show in his fiction at all.
Have you done We Were Soldiers with the oldie goldies? You can also get Casmo to do the helicopter scenes!
In the book it was an Intruder that was launched for a contractor test to bomb a dingy. Guess the Hornet was too sexy to pass :)
Probably A-6 Intruder already retired in the time of filming the movie. 😊
What was the carrier in the book? A Nimitz or a Kitty Hawk-class?
3:15 Even more ironically "music" would be electronic radar jamming as brevity code.
Oh, so i was not wrong.
You know I'm rocking that callsign when I get in the airforce. RHINO 69 😎
No, you aren't. 😂
@AIM RAPTORツ Marines fly too cupcake.
Gotta beat you to it!
@@spaghetti9845 they fly 🖍️🧁 😎😂
I'm thinking something more like "Wedge"...
fun fact: during the black hawk scene, the black hawk pilot says, "lets take her down now. we're going down". this is actual audio from the tomcat pilot who shot down a libyan mig which can be watched on youtube
Goddam it Mover, I spit out my drink when you were listing all the sh*t that was wrong with that "jet"..OMFG...love this video, made me crack up! :)
Very cool to see yours and spudknockers take on this scene.
Great video. 👍
These are great! Always wonder how much these are not accurate on movies. Keep up the great work!
I don't understand why Hollywood doesn't hire an aviator to just run through how everything would be. Honestly, it would be a couple of thousand dollars. There would be a line of people like Mover trying to get the Gig just for shits and giggles, and they would have an accurate scene.
I DO understand that sometimes theatrically some stuff is impossible or not desired, but they can then at least give the best option. For example, the director of 'Tears of the Sun' probably didn't want the scene to be taken from the right side of the aircraft so all the 'arming bombs' stuff was done from the left, but there would have been other ways of skinning that particular cat.
Great to have an informed commentary!
Thanks, Mover! I watched this movie when I was a kid, and always thought it was pretty realistic, all things considered. Keep it up, Sir!
:D omg this is hysterical “his airspeed is zero, his canopy is open” 😂😅😂
This is pretty hilarious! Great work! Keep on keepin' on!!!
Nice! This is the fastest I've made it to a new mover video! Thank Mover!! Love the videos!@@@
ah ah "this f-18 has a lot of problems going on".....indeed. Thanks for the tips, you made my day.
Hey lemoine the only reason I find New videos is because I always stay on your channel. I have done everything but I don't get any of your videos recommended to me but I do get other channels anyway I love what you do keep it up stay safe and good bye 🙂
I would give them props to use a real F/A 18C Cockpit and also the real avionics. As a DCS Player i instantly recognized all the Warnings on the left DDI, the SAFE Letters on the right etc, but who in the 90, except for real Hornet Pilots, would instantly look at this spot? Bad examples may be in Indipendence Day with this strange MachMeter or as you said: Tears of the sun. Thanks for all that info, also with the standard loadout etc.
4:51 I'm sure this is a DVD copy of the film. You probably couldn't see the left screen clearly on the original film or VHS version and that's why nobody corrected it.
2:35 those future micro binoculars are amazing
He was going to the opera afterwards
@@agrofindastation LOL
I loved this movie and think it still rocks. So many great actors, good plot.
Ooh someone's been busy in Blender. Cool vid as always Mover! HORNETS!
I think I can just jump in a plan and fly it with watching these Mover TH-cams! Tell you what though, I do a ton of analysis and these videos are great at helping me to look for things, as well orchestrate my own analysis. Currently it is with paranormal investigation, and I thought I was there, but according to what I am analyzing, things were a lot more active than I thought. Rational explanations are very fleeting.
For the next one, not only buying more tech, but eating the manuals as well. Not only the equipment finds ways to become nonfunctional, but you get foggy brained and black out as well, and the start up procedures the pilots always take with them, is something I have to develop and discipline myself with.
Cool video Mover, love the channel. I always thought that was a great scene. Like your explanation of it. Peace be with you.✈️
Great commentary from an expert.Subscribed.
You should review Sum of all Fears opening flight scene
And the attack on the carrier
It must have been 20 years since I saw that movie and that is the only scene I remember.
Excellent film, but yeah, lots of technical errors. Great vid, C.W. Best wishes from a former F-111 jockey.
Hollywood surely could use some military guidance. You had me laughing!
I'm in awe how you still did not check Into the Sun 1991.
Only one bomb, no missiles for defense, no targeting pod, engines off, canopy up, gears down....the 1990s were tough.
Been following for a few months. Always love your demonstration. I’m passionate about fighter jets. Great job👍🏼Peace from Iran
The Hollywood guys should have spent and should spend some of their money to hire competent, experienced Air Force and/or Navy pilots to check and double-check the realism of these scenes. It's time for movies showing air combat and bombing to hire MOVER as their technical consultant!
Oh, man. I always wanted to know if it was realistic for Willem's character to advise, "Circular error probability: zero. Impact with high-order detonation. Have a nice day."
I tried to find info on what I remember watching on television, but cannot find a webpage discussing this... The reason you see clouds or the ground / water in any flight scene is that it was discovered in black and white film days that you have no reference for speed or motion of whatever is in flight. There was an old canvas plane, bi-plane / ww-i dog fight in a film with planes flying against a perfectly clear sky. It turned out to not be all that watchable because any reference for distance, speed, scale, etc cannot be established by the viewer. As a result every flight film after (in hollywood atleast) uses some type of cloudy sky or ground / water backdrop against the plane or object in flight. That is my guess for the bomb falling through undercast, in addition to the way the bomb rendering + scale/ size had to transition as it 'fell' further from the camera POV (an inherent limitation for special effects at the time)
They actually blew up a house for the movie.
A miniature would blew up differently.
They should've launched an AGM-65 to justify the TV tracker and fly path
Can you do a video on the trench run on the Death Star in Star Wars
Next The Rock with Nicholas Cage, however there is a scene that describes the bombs used. Can you also comment about the weapons and how realistic it is? Then just rip the rest of it apart.
i was army field artillery in 1989. i saw this movie during college about 10 times. loved the black hawk scenes. the movie used real fighter pilot audio for the black hawk scenes..... "lets take her down. we're going down"
@@mroctober3657 yep. used a lot
@@mroctober3657 me too! i bought the soundtrack when the movie came out
@@mroctober3657 1989 had cd players! it was amazing
@@mroctober3657 lol
I'm willing to forgive the "Easy Rhino" callsign as that sounds really cool. Also, you missed my favorite part - at the end of that scene where he does the BDA. "Circular error probability zero. Impact with high-order detonation. Have a nice day.” :)
I was not a pilot, but the Sniper scenes in this movie were hilarious, as were the movements of the ODA in the field when engaging the drug lab. So knowing this, I assume the F18 scenes were equally gimped
"Normally we wouldn't fly with an asymmetric load"
I've seen pictures of CF-18s with asymmetric loads in Syria/Iraq in recent years. Was going to ask if you could talk about why they would do that sometime.
that's because our Canuck airforce can't afford two bombs.
An asymmetric load gives you less obstruction to the view from the station your pod is mounted to.
As a load, this was explained in the book. Hornet has 1 bomb because the official coverup was an experimental bomb drop. It is quite normal in new weapon development to fly with one ordinance only.
Flight of the Intruder ??? ..... when ?? 🤔
Add BAT21 and Final Countdown to ruin while at it ! 👌🏻
A Willem Dafoe double feature this week??
yep, both his Vietnam War characters died.
Sgt Elias - Platoon
Lt Cmdr Cole - Flight of the Intruder
Every DCS player is going through this and saying yup yup yup to every avionics bit you mention.
So... 1 bomb only on the strike plane, probably one bomb only, so they could claim later that, if that plane was detected (visually) for some reason after drop, they could claim "on, wasn't us - that was a training flight, clean plane - look, here's a photo of it in-flight/landing"
I loved watching this movie with my dad back in the day.
dude me too, this and batman 1989 always reminds me of him
4:08 I almost spilled my dinner laughing at all the warnings on his display!
I mentioned saying the same things when i see movies trying to use military...well just about anything. Love your vids. thank you for the reality on these !
Really interesting comments and an enjoyable video, Mover!
I only catch weird details in army flicks set in the 60s through 80s. Hollywood tries, but usually they should try harder.
"Over and out"
In the book, they didn't use F18s. The attack aircraft in the book were A6s I think, or F14s (I can't remember if Robbie Jackson flew that mission). Also featured was an F15.
Loved the warning lights at 4:10 😂
Your channel is very good, in 24 season 4 there are some scenes of jets, one is the air force one attack and the other is in the last episode a search for a missile, there are more scenes if I'm not mistaken.
The movie is on NZ Netflix right now, and is otherwise a firm favourite - and yes, all critique are true. Its more fun in DCS World to do the same sort of mission, but I always take Sidewinders and AMRAAM's, because its dangerous out there. Thanks for the critique, its much appreciated.
Epic intro sir!
The brief hornet scene in Clear And Present Danger is very cool, maybe not as cool as the F-14 and deck action or Miramar action in Top Gun but only because there was just the launching and bomb drop as a very short time on screen. C&PD has the best camera sequence to date for an LGB being dropped even if it was a model bomb with a greenscreen, especially that GBU-12 sliceing through the clouds with the slow rotation, revealing the jungle lanscape below as it homed in, or rather ballistic until the last minute lase! Beautiful footage! In the book the bomb was a 2000lb class LGB and the explosion of the mansion clearly is closer to a 2000lb than a 500lb bomb but that's fine.
Clear & Present Danger is the best of the original Clancy series but Patriot Games is dang close to best. Whilem Defoe and James Jones are pretty much at their best in C&PD, and Harrison is again very good and still better than Alec Baldwin. Hunt for Red October is good maybe tied for best with C&PD but its hard to say for sure. Maybe I'd revise this and say C&PD is the best, followed by Hunt for Red October 2nd best and Patriot Games is a very close 3rd.
Oh yeh the blue practice bomb color was off but hey that's fine to, no one wanted to push the Navy into filming a live bomb on a jet, whatever still a great sequence in the film!
The Russian boat crew actors like Sean Conory and others as well as Dallas skipper played by Scott Glen, and again James Earl Jones, all these really good actors, their acting really dialed in made Hunt for Red October fanfriggintastic, not to forget it being a really great story line as well, thanks to the late Tom Clancy!
Clear and Present Danger has one of my favorite aviation scenes and I do not know why , though it might have to do with how stoic the pilots delivery is.
rofl "He's not doing so well on this attack here..."
The fins also deploy way too late. The lanyard to the release lever activates the wing deployment as the bomb falls out of the rack.
The guidance unit could pick up the track of the laser as it came through the clouds as the target is being painted by the team on the ground. Hardly ideal but theoretically plausible.
From a pod on the aircraft down to the ground and the bomb tracking as it falls... agreed it isnt seeing it through the clouds.
Good job on explaining the bang bang guidance.
Regarding all the alarms showing in cockpit could the easy answer be that people who make movies believe that airplanes work in the same way a car does and think that for something to be wrong a bright red light has to be flashing, if it´s green everything is ok and the more the merrier? And yes, they could spend 10 minutes of research but hey, Hollywood.
it's crazy how different the movie is from the book, so much that Tom Clancy didn't want anything to do with it at first
Rhino is actually a real call sign but it’s an Army callsign for the UH-72s
I’m sure it is. But I doubt it’s two words with no numbers. Maybe the Army is different though. 🤷♂️
@@CWLemoine yeah I see them down in fort Rucker a lot but it’s like “RHINO532”
Some context, because the scene isn't explained in the movie like the book.
The bomb isn't a standard GBU. It was an experimental weapon. It has a cellulose case - if i remember right, it was a 1000 pound GBU bomb, but with a paper case and a higher fill weight. And it was filled with octol, not the usual tritonal, octol is pound for pound, much more energetic and quite a bit more expensive (its used in nuclear weapons to compress the primary) . And it was painted blue. It was covered as a drop ex - only the pilot and BN, (in the book it was an A6) their direct commander, and the CIA knew they dropped it into colombia.
The idea was to make the airstrike look like a car bomb or other ground based attack. The weapon would leave no bomb fragments or shrapnel. Just blast.
So thats why the blue bomb, and the asymmetric load.
i didn't know about the bomb wobble, what a strange solution.
The tiny binoculars must be some Navy Seals stuff. lol
@1:50 ish CW sounded just like the kid in the teenaged kid in the Simpsons. Made me laugh, good impression, even if by accident!
Honestly, these are way more informative/interesting than the alternatively titled react videos...!
Career submariner, one of my favorite movies is 'The Hunt for Red October', but I could easily fill up a full hour with all of thing things they got wrong on that one. On the other hand, one of the worst submarine movies, 'Crimson Tide' would likely be a four hour video, at least; especially given the fact the Alabama is the boat I retired off of. I haven't read the book, 'Clear and Present Danger', so I don't know how much they deviated from Clancy's original work. A lot of the stuff you pointed out in the Hornet would have been right in the book. But, I cannot read Clancy, he is to naval technology what Steinbeck is to a sunrise or a turtle crossing the road. I met him once, when he came down to the boat for a tour, he was a total horse's ass and strutted around like he was a fleet admiral.
Plane Captain to Navy Pilot: Sir, the APU is shot to pieces, left stab is not responding to FCS, port engine is flamed out from last mission, no ATFLIR targeting pod available, we have only one LGB available, ladder is locked in the open position, we ran out of leg harnesses, and the airframe is overG'd you're limited to 68 knots maximum cruise airspeed.
Navy Pilot: Great, where do I sign for the jet.
😂 😂 😂
You should do the Hornet scene from the rock.
"Circular Error Probability ZERO, Impact with High Order Detonation. Have a nice Day."
Looks like they got the Intel right as well. That kind of Secondary explo is a good payday . Great Job Mover ...Geaux NAVY !
Phun Phact: Right next to Willem Dafoe is Raymond Cruz, the actor who played Tuco Salamanca on Breaking Bad.