Warms my heart that people are still keeping the VIC-20 alive. I still remember when my mom bought a used one from her coworker and the coworker was showing my brother and I how it worked. This was almost 40 years ago. It breaks my heart that some 40 years from now, most of us that grew up with it will be gone and no one will be left to carry on the memory.
"Appreciating the game on it's own terms" is very important. Those of us who's first games were The Colossal Cave Adventure and ASCII rogue-likes have the experience of having what fun you can with what you have. Sure sometimes it was frustrating and there were limitations, but there was a lot of imagination involved; there was a whole universe waiting for you to explore if you had the creativity and patience.
One of my favorite things about older system that is not often talked about are the classic games sounds they had. Thanks for sharing these 3 games, the both looked and sounded great for VIC20 games!
Oh wow, Monument Valley looks awesome. Not seen that game before, I must live under a rock! Cheesy Trials is based on my original windows game called cheesy capers from 20 (or so) years ago.
I don't know whats better. The homebrew scene for the vic20. Or a channel showcasing the games that look like alot of effort was put in. Great to see regardless, On both accounts.
TFW8B sent me a complimentary copy of Cheezy Trials when I ordered some other stuff from them a couple of months ago. Now I know what it looks like, I’m enthusiastic about playing it. All I need is a Datasette and I’m ready 😂😂
The rapid iteration of retries on Cheesy Trials reminds me of modern indie PC platformers like Spelunky, Rogue Legacy, and especially Super Meat Boy. By that I mean the intentional removal of barriers or wait states before trying a level again. It mitigates the feeling of frustration at a game that can be pretty hard, and makes you want to try one more time, one more time, and so forth.
A video about New Vic-20 Games, then I checkout the rest of the internet. Thanks for the post- Very impressive. I didnt know the vic could do that, and I still have mine :)
Interesting: Hewco. And the guy who runs it is called Andy H. I guess that's *the* Andrew Hewson of Hewson Consultants who released a ton of awesome games back in the day. Paradroid springs immediately to mind. Also used to write for Sinclair User, which I was an avid reader of for three or four years in the mid to late 80s.
I wish I'd made those games back in the day, but Mr Hewson is someone else. I understand they are still publishing games today, I think under the name of Huey?
Lol, button the Moon! That was a kids program back in the early 80s if not earlier ... Button Moon! I forgot about it but just hearing the name brought the theme tune right back to me! Yup, just double checked 80s Kids program in the UK - It's quite 'trippy' ... if you know what I mean ;-)
Great video mate, The Vic20 was my first computer and i still have it, out of the 3 games you showed even though it was using the least memory I like the look of 2020. im just wondering why he stopped at 24k and never went to 32k ?
For some reason I do enjoy loading things from tape. Or Vinyl... 3:09 I have several joysticks for the Commodore(s) and the Hyperkin is my favorite. At least it looks like a Hyperkin that you have here. 16:40 Waaaayyy better than Radar Rat Race Turbo Rascal SE looks cool, but I’m sticking to native development tools where I can ;-)
Yeah, this is the Hyperkin. I like it a lot too. I might still like my vintage TAC-II better, but it comes through very loudly on my mic. I even got some complaints from viewers about it! So this joystick seems to be better-suited for using in videos.
@@8_Bit and trse has an early tracker in it now, I have been writing a simple player for it with the bubble bobble tune to test with. It's remarkably good considering the simple sound octaves.
It's an unreleased song (unofficially titled "VIC-20 in the Projects" but it'll probably get a new name if I ever put it on an album) from my band. Here's another song we did, if you like it there's more on that channel: th-cam.com/video/djQ1Qk-9xbo/w-d-xo.html
When I think C64 tape games my heart goes right to Telengard. One of the few tape games I owned here in the USA: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telengard I played the heck out of it, changed the game code to even cheat at one point. Lots of fond memories of playing that game.
This may seem like a daft comment, but this warms my heart seeing these games :) Even just looking at the tape inlay and putting the cassette in, it's happy memories!
RUN/STOP - that is true, although it was common to see it as the RUN STOP key in instructions for tape games. Guess it's more complicated to try to explain it. Have you ever seen someone look for the ANY key back in the day ? ;) Great game Craig! VBM is just that a character bitmap. It provides lots of handy commands to make it easy to put things onto this character bitmap quickly :)
The whole RUN/STOP situation is VERY controversial I think :) I'm sure I've overheard someone tell another to type an asterisk, and when the other person says "huh?", it's clarified with "you know, shift+eight". re: Penultimate cartridge, I think it might be a bit of a joke aimed at the MegaCart for the VIC-20, which I believe was billed as the "ultimate" cartridge but is now unfortunately (mostly?) out of production. Artillery II looks great!
@@8_Bit RE: Penultimate Cart. Ha possibly, but I think it got that name, coz we knew if it was popular it would get a few updates. Hence the PU+ (which is in fact the PU++)
@csbruce regarding the Run/Stop controversy, if we want to be really anal: You are mixing physical keys with their provided functions. There is no physical "Run" key on the keyboard, only "Run/Stop", which provides two functions, depending if it is combined with another keypress or not. One would press down two physical keys, "Shift" and "Run/Stop" together, to invoke the function "Run". One simply cannot press Shift and Run, as the latter doesn't exist. :) (Thank you, I'll gather my SmartAss trophy on my way out)
Is it just me or there's a high-pitched sound throughout the video. I actually looked around my room too see which transformer or something emits it until I realised it's from your video. Other than that, great video. I finished it despite the annoying sound.
While the cassette drive is loading it makes a sound, but if it's throughout the entire video it's probably something my old ears can't hear anymore, sorry :(
😂 help I am stilll trapped in 2020.. Seriously though.. I love seeing new games for old systems... I have recently begun my own quest to become a c64 hobby game dev
@@random_precision_software click through to my website, videos are coming later as it's easier for me to type than produce videos that TH-cam comment folks don't absolutely hate on :)
2:20 Always a bit of temporal cognitive dissonance whenever I see something comparatively modern, like ".com", being displayed in a format that I strongly associate with the early 80s. These are the kinds of games I dreamed about making, but since I never had the resources to learn anything more advanced than self-taught Basic, all my efforts ran at anywhere from 2 to 3 fps.
I still remember thinking it was bizarre putting URLs on the title screens of the 8-bit games I was making in the early 2000s. Especially on a Commodore PET game, potentially running on hardware from the 1970s.
@@NuntiusLegis Doesn't share an equivalency. Books are timeless because their function and familiarity span literally every day of everyone's life. 8-bit computers are limited to the 70s and early-to-mid-80s-after that, the only further association one makes is strictly nostalgia. So, with a nice span of several decades separating two technological characteristics, we can experience the weird phenomenon of the two converging unexpectedly. Honestly, I tend to consider even gobsmackingly comprehensive homebrew efforts like Cheesy Trials to be of the same nature: Effectively, there is no way a game like that could have existed contemporaneously with the Vic-20's actual lifespan, regardless of the fact that it's running on Vic-20 hardware fair and square. The ideas presented are too modern and nobody in the 80s ever made anything like it. Things like this are something I happen to adore.
@@Asterra2 If there have ever been timeless computer platforms, they are C64 and DOS. Original hardware is still available, C64-replicas are becoming legion, and emulators are available for all current platforms. I am sure a C64-program written now or 30 years ago will still run in an emulator on a then current platform 30 years in the future - and I can't imagine the same for a program that is written today for current Windows or Linux. I also see a value of early platforms beyond nostalgia. Games written for them have a specific aesthetic, as has music written for a specific (no matter how old) instrument. The limitations of older computers required certain ways of creativity that are hard to recreate on modern platforms. Also programming on early platforms has it's specific appeal because going low level is easier to experience - and yields bigger rewards because the performance is significantly better than with high level languages. I also find it easier to comprehend the timeless fundamentals of computing by learning to program the C64 than by just reading the theory in books - and I also find it more entertaining.
@@andreeopthof376 Did the video say anything about tape production? - If so, it escaped me because I skipped over the repetitive gameplay. I knew tape cassettes are still made for music storage, but was also surprised to see new, short data cassettes in what seems to be custom-hued plastic.
@@andreeopthof376 I don't question the sense behind it - I totally get it - I would also just like to know where such custom (blank) data cassettes can be obtained. ;-)
These "new" games do not bring anything new. It is the same that was, there are no new techniques, no new insightes and no new developments. What I think is a new game is that it is produced in a way that was not possible before, like using a bit-maped screen as a part of the background and another screen mode for the actual part of the screen where the game is happening. Maybe, everything is already invented, possibly nothing really new can be made.
Have you ever seen a game with a mouse running around a room collecting cheese to a five second time limit and where the room changes with each piece collected? You are right if course, all new games build on what comes before. This is a platform game, but it would be unfair to say it brings nothing new. I hope it is a fun and enjoyable game in any case even if you don't agree. BTW, simulated bitmaps on the Vic are not new - many games, including early ones used these techniques. Omega Race is a good example.
Sorry, but this looks like a commercial. If this is the result of free donations, I hope those won't become a major aspect of this otherwise fine channel. - The games are nicely presented, but the gameplay is unimaginative and repetitive. And concerning that development system: A new programming language to code for classical computers? Why should a retro enthusiast touch that? Even if it is close to Pascal as the name implies, I don't feel enthusiastic about it since Pascal was not a major language on the 8-bit platforms as BASIC or Assembler. The low-level aspects even of Commodore BASIC V2 is what appeals to me compared to more modern, abstract languages that do all they can to hide the machine from the programmer.
I think this is the 3rd or 4th video (out of 90?) where I've shown games that have been donated. I focus on what I genuinely find interesting, which always includes some information about the development process. As for unimaginative and repetitive gameplay, I'm curious what VIC-20 games meet your approval? Cross-development has been around since the beginning of game development, from the arcade games I grew up playing, to the Atari 2600, C64, Amiga and beyond. I enjoy programming directly on the C64 but have no problem with using other tools. Pascal wasn't a major 8-bit language, but the C64 itself ended up with 5 or 6 Pascal compilers that I'm aware of. I learned it in school and it's where I first encountered pointers in a high-level language. It feels plenty retro and target-appropriate to me.
I don't know many VIC-20 games since my first computer was a C64, but I find the VIC-20 version of PETSCII Robots way more interesting than the games in this video. I also don't have objections against cross-development for older systems, as long as it doesn't cut off the chance to understand how a computer works low-level, which is the major appeal of learning (better) retro programming for me.
PETSCII Robots is impressive, and benefits from being conceived as a disk-based (each level individually loaded) game for 32K+ computers, which David managed to squeeze into a VIC-20 with maximum RAM expansion. This is very similar to the expansive Realms of Quest V RPG for VIC-20 I reviewed here a couple years ago (also a donation) which also requires 32K+ RAM and a disk drive. They may be the two biggest VIC-20 games ever made, and can definitely provide a richer experience with all that disk space available to them. HEWCO's games are definitely more modest, being developed in a much shorter time, and with the limitation of being a single load. But they all stand up very well in the VIC-20 game library, and I genuinely enjoyed playing them.
I was not referring to the size of the games - PETSCII Robots looks more interesting with a glimpse at one single level already. Before the C64, I owned the game console Interton VC 4000 which was more limited technically than the VIC-20 or even the Atari 2600, but it had several fabulous games.
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Warms my heart that people are still keeping the VIC-20 alive. I still remember when my mom bought a used one from her coworker and the coworker was showing my brother and I how it worked. This was almost 40 years ago.
It breaks my heart that some 40 years from now, most of us that grew up with it will be gone and no one will be left to carry on the memory.
Not true at all ! To this day there are people who practice "flint knaping" exactly like stone age folks did !
Same i grew up in the 90s but love this stuff and gonna create games for it
Great video, I've never seen any Vic20 games before, I'm really impressed, especially like the Mouse game, would make a cool 2600 port.
Given the simplicity of the graphics, the Cheesy Trials game is really nice and fun compared to the others.
I would have loved Escape 2020 on my Vic 20 when I was a kid. I was starved of games in those days and this looks very playable.
"Appreciating the game on it's own terms" is very important. Those of us who's first games were The Colossal Cave Adventure and ASCII rogue-likes have the experience of having what fun you can with what you have. Sure sometimes it was frustrating and there were limitations, but there was a lot of imagination involved; there was a whole universe waiting for you to explore if you had the creativity and patience.
you can really tell you enjoyed the games :D, this was a super fun video
cheesy trial is very impressive for the Vic 20
That cheese game looks amazing
One of my favorite things about older system that is not often talked about are the classic games sounds they had.
Thanks for sharing these 3 games, the both looked and sounded great for VIC20 games!
NEW games on _CASSETTE?_ Pinch me, I must be dreaming! Good times!
I like the first game the most. I am shocked at the price inflation since the mastertronic days!
The Escape 2020 game is amazing considering the memory it uses. It was the game out of the 3 I felt I’d like to play.
I like how Cheesy Trials has that Monument Valley technique of adding new parts to the landscape as you move through it.
Oh wow, Monument Valley looks awesome. Not seen that game before, I must live under a rock! Cheesy Trials is based on my original windows game called cheesy capers from 20 (or so) years ago.
I don't know whats better. The homebrew scene for the vic20. Or a channel showcasing the games that look like alot of effort was put in. Great to see regardless, On both accounts.
Every programmer should learn to code an entire game in 3.5 KB! Wow! New VIC-20 games in 2021! Strange days indeed...
Thanks for sharing info about Turbo Rascal! I had no idea it existed. very cool, will have to check it out
I recently got my first Vic 20 and have really been enjoying the games...these look great!
Great video! I can't wait to see your impressions of TRSE.
casette tape in 2021 seems to be the only data media available. Lol
Escape 2020 looks excellent. It's really amazing that great new games are still being made now. Thanks for the video.
TFW8B sent me a complimentary copy of Cheezy Trials when I ordered some other stuff from them a couple of months ago. Now I know what it looks like, I’m enthusiastic about playing it. All I need is a Datasette and I’m ready 😂😂
Wow, I love the Escape 2020 game you showed off. That would have been an amazing game to have and play as a kid.
I probably would have viewed it as just another gauntlet clone, myself.
The rapid iteration of retries on Cheesy Trials reminds me of modern indie PC platformers like Spelunky, Rogue Legacy, and especially Super Meat Boy. By that I mean the intentional removal of barriers or wait states before trying a level again. It mitigates the feeling of frustration at a game that can be pretty hard, and makes you want to try one more time, one more time, and so forth.
This really takes me back! Getting totally nostalgic watching the Datasette load.
I just looked at TRSE and I'm getting Pascal flashbacks from 1985. I tried Turbo Pascal on the x86 years later but it's been a long time
Yup, I'm still jealous of your amazingly bright white VIC-20. :)
A video about New Vic-20 Games, then I checkout the rest of the internet. Thanks for the post- Very impressive. I didnt know the vic could do that, and I still have mine :)
The label art of all 3 games would perfectly fit in the 80's. Nice job. No.... Fantastic job! #hewco
Leaving acid which can kill you- only a second to determine enemies in front of you - well that sounds like Berzerk!
Cheesy Trials looks fantastic! Such a modern take on a game for an old system. :)
Pretty impressive stuff for the Vic.
7:53 In the "incorrect homophones are my pet peeve" category, it's a *horde* of ghosts and zombies, which protect a *hoard* of candy.
Ooops! Sometimes you can look at something a million times and not see the problem :-s
These are great! I love the presentation of the 499 series.
Interesting: Hewco. And the guy who runs it is called Andy H. I guess that's *the* Andrew Hewson of Hewson Consultants who released a ton of awesome games back in the day. Paradroid springs immediately to mind. Also used to write for Sinclair User, which I was an avid reader of for three or four years in the mid to late 80s.
I wish I'd made those games back in the day, but Mr Hewson is someone else. I understand they are still publishing games today, I think under the name of Huey?
All of those games look great. Like the puzzle aspect of cheesy trials.
I got as paper route as a kid to get my VIC-20.
Are the character in "2020" a Teletubbie?!? Txh for the video!
$4.99 British Pounds = $8.63 Canadian (as of now) and $6.88 US (as of now)
this is awesome... thx for this vid :)
It's amazing at what you can do with these old systems just by employing modern game design philosophy.
loved my vic 20 id play them games
Those games look pretty awesome. The Cheesey Trials animation is pretty amazing. I can see why they needed that extra 20K!
WOW... TRSE is awesome! Just downloaded the Linux version and am wondering why I'm only now learning of this IDE.
Between the offbeat name and the impressive specs, I know I definitely wondered if it was on the level the first time I heard of it.
These all look really cool.
Lol, button the Moon! That was a kids program back in the early 80s if not earlier ... Button Moon!
I forgot about it but just hearing the name brought the theme tune right back to me!
Yup, just double checked 80s Kids program in the UK - It's quite 'trippy' ... if you know what I mean ;-)
Good old single character 8x8 players took a lot of imagination, but packed a lot of detail in each map.
Escape 2020 seems like an amped-up Atari "Adventure"
Hello ! The games of 3K return thank you Vic20
Salutations of Spain :-)
Agreed all look great but the cheese game is very clever. Great video.
Yes....i really wanted to escape 2020 :D Who doesn'T :D?!
Great video mate, The Vic20 was my first computer and i still have it, out of the 3 games you showed even though it was using the least memory I like the look of 2020. im just wondering why he stopped at 24k and never went to 32k ?
For some reason I do enjoy loading things from tape. Or Vinyl...
3:09 I have several joysticks for the Commodore(s) and the Hyperkin is my favorite. At least it looks like a Hyperkin that you have here.
16:40 Waaaayyy better than Radar Rat Race
Turbo Rascal SE looks cool, but I’m sticking to native development tools where I can ;-)
Yeah, this is the Hyperkin. I like it a lot too. I might still like my vintage TAC-II better, but it comes through very loudly on my mic. I even got some complaints from viewers about it! So this joystick seems to be better-suited for using in videos.
@@8_Bit people will complain about anything. Just keep on keeping on
Luv to see the VIC20 still doing great things! :) Very 80ies sprity vibe!
Great video! Can we see Assembly for the Vic20, maybe covering sound?
I was actually thinking about doing this a couple weeks ago. It might happen!
@@8_Bit VIC-20 was my first pc 😊
@@8_Bit and trse has an early tracker in it now, I have been writing a simple player for it with the bubble bobble tune to test with. It's remarkably good considering the simple sound octaves.
What is the song in the end credits? Nice strumming guitar...and nice voice. Reminds me a bit of Jad Fair or Daniel Johnston..
It's an unreleased song (unofficially titled "VIC-20 in the Projects" but it'll probably get a new name if I ever put it on an album) from my band. Here's another song we did, if you like it there's more on that channel: th-cam.com/video/djQ1Qk-9xbo/w-d-xo.html
Cheesy Trials looks like The End Is Nigh of Commodore Vic-20!
I love loading software from cassette on my c64. Too bad not much was released on cassette here in the states.
When I think C64 tape games my heart goes right to Telengard. One of the few tape games I owned here in the USA: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telengard
I played the heck out of it, changed the game code to even cheat at one point. Lots of fond memories of playing that game.
Amazing games! really!
I would like to see a video with you trying out Turbo Rascal for sure.
the mouse one was pretty frenetic
very good
"PumpKid" sounds like the title of a Dig Dug clone.
Ahem....joint first-place ;)
This may seem like a daft comment, but this warms my heart seeing these games :) Even just looking at the tape inlay and putting the cassette in, it's happy memories!
Not daft at all; cassettes are a happy thing for me too :)
0:51 That is a strange sight: a VIC-20 cassette with "©2021" on it.
1:47 Um, if you press Shift, then the other key you're pressing would be called "Run". Or, you could call the whole combination "Run", like Shift + Home would be "Clear". Does anybody call it the "Clear/Home" key when they're accessing only one function or the other? I think some people used to called the "Inst/Del" key "Instant Delete".
3:03 That screen reminds me of Atari-2600 "Adventure".
8:08 Is there an "Ultimate" cartridge for the VIC-20? "Penultimate+" seems like a contradiction in terms!
16:23 I once wrote a simple game for a custom-made bitmap-graphics extension to BASIC: th-cam.com/video/-UsFTSMbyRA/w-d-xo.html
16:25 You can also make software sprites using only programmable characters.
RUN/STOP - that is true, although it was common to see it as the RUN STOP key in instructions for tape games. Guess it's more complicated to try to explain it. Have you ever seen someone look for the ANY key back in the day ? ;)
Great game Craig! VBM is just that a character bitmap. It provides lots of handy commands to make it easy to put things onto this character bitmap quickly :)
The whole RUN/STOP situation is VERY controversial I think :) I'm sure I've overheard someone tell another to type an asterisk, and when the other person says "huh?", it's clarified with "you know, shift+eight".
re: Penultimate cartridge, I think it might be a bit of a joke aimed at the MegaCart for the VIC-20, which I believe was billed as the "ultimate" cartridge but is now unfortunately (mostly?) out of production.
Artillery II looks great!
@@8_Bit RE: Penultimate Cart. Ha possibly, but I think it got that name, coz we knew if it was popular it would get a few updates. Hence the PU+ (which is in fact the PU++)
@@8_Bit wrote «"huh?", it's clarified with "you know, shift+eight"» That'd be more difficult on a VIC-20! "You know, the asterisk key."
@csbruce regarding the Run/Stop controversy, if we want to be really anal: You are mixing physical keys with their provided functions. There is no physical "Run" key on the keyboard, only "Run/Stop", which provides two functions, depending if it is combined with another keypress or not. One would press down two physical keys, "Shift" and "Run/Stop" together, to invoke the function "Run". One simply cannot press Shift and Run, as the latter doesn't exist. :)
(Thank you, I'll gather my SmartAss trophy on my way out)
I wish I had VIC20 :)
These are 3 nice games, especially the last one seemed like something that could be spent a lot of time on.
I actually really liked the look of Escape 2020 i could just play it for hours
I need to find a dataset. Also get that cart you have from tfw8b
Is it just me or there's a high-pitched sound throughout the video. I actually looked around my room too see which transformer or something emits it until I realised it's from your video. Other than that, great video. I finished it despite the annoying sound.
While the cassette drive is loading it makes a sound, but if it's throughout the entire video it's probably something my old ears can't hear anymore, sorry :(
It might actually be the output from my VIC-20 making that sound. Hopefully I can find it and get rid of it in future videos.
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Monochrome game looks great, I'll take gameplay over colors any day.
The mouse game is awesome and looks fun to play.
Got them all. Recommended
2020 wasn't fair either ;)
How do they sell them for £4.99. I can't even buy the parts for that?
These are great 👍
😂 help I am stilll trapped in 2020.. Seriously though.. I love seeing new games for old systems... I have recently begun my own quest to become a c64 hobby game dev
chesse trials is amazing
TRSE is amaaazzziiing - However I was born a Pascal programmer so I might be biased.
I wish I could do Ganges for the 8 bit like the Atari 800 and C64 , but using modern languages like c /c# using visual studio! ?
You can use C and visual studio, I have a tutorial series on my site (not going to spam the link, I am sure you can find it :) )
@@RetroGameCoders oh I'll have to have w lol at that!
@@RetroGameCoders I've had a look on your channel, there's only 6 videos there and I can't see a tutorial series?
@@random_precision_software click through to my website, videos are coming later as it's easier for me to type than produce videos that TH-cam comment folks don't absolutely hate on :)
Ok 👍
2:20 Always a bit of temporal cognitive dissonance whenever I see something comparatively modern, like ".com", being displayed in a format that I strongly associate with the early 80s.
These are the kinds of games I dreamed about making, but since I never had the resources to learn anything more advanced than self-taught Basic, all my efforts ran at anywhere from 2 to 3 fps.
I still remember thinking it was bizarre putting URLs on the title screens of the 8-bit games I was making in the early 2000s. Especially on a Commodore PET game, potentially running on hardware from the 1970s.
Please relax, one can find URLs - for good reason - even in printed books, which are a way older medium than 8-bit computers.
@@NuntiusLegis Doesn't share an equivalency. Books are timeless because their function and familiarity span literally every day of everyone's life. 8-bit computers are limited to the 70s and early-to-mid-80s-after that, the only further association one makes is strictly nostalgia. So, with a nice span of several decades separating two technological characteristics, we can experience the weird phenomenon of the two converging unexpectedly.
Honestly, I tend to consider even gobsmackingly comprehensive homebrew efforts like Cheesy Trials to be of the same nature: Effectively, there is no way a game like that could have existed contemporaneously with the Vic-20's actual lifespan, regardless of the fact that it's running on Vic-20 hardware fair and square. The ideas presented are too modern and nobody in the 80s ever made anything like it. Things like this are something I happen to adore.
@@Asterra2 If there have ever been timeless computer platforms, they are C64 and DOS. Original hardware is still available, C64-replicas are becoming legion, and emulators are available for all current platforms. I am sure a C64-program written now or 30 years ago will still run in an emulator on a then current platform 30 years in the future - and I can't imagine the same for a program that is written today for current Windows or Linux.
I also see a value of early platforms beyond nostalgia. Games written for them have a specific aesthetic, as has music written for a specific (no matter how old) instrument. The limitations of older computers required certain ways of creativity that are hard to recreate on modern platforms. Also programming on early platforms has it's specific appeal because going low level is easier to experience - and yields bigger rewards because the performance is significantly better than with high level languages.
I also find it easier to comprehend the timeless fundamentals of computing by learning to program the C64 than by just reading the theory in books - and I also find it more entertaining.
It's 2021. Hindsight is always 2020 🙄
Hmm... Why did they call it the penultimate cartridge? Penultimate means second to last... :p
Are you runnin' these on an NTSC deck?
Yeah, I should have mentioned in the video that even though the games are from the UK, they run 100% fine on NTSC.
Turbo Rascal, please
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What company still makes cassettes and why?
Wrong question. Watch the video and you will know...
@@andreeopthof376 Did the video say anything about tape production? - If so, it escaped me because I skipped over the repetitive gameplay. I knew tape cassettes are still made for music storage, but was also surprised to see new, short data cassettes in what seems to be custom-hued plastic.
@@NuntiusLegis It makes no sense at all but: it's nostalgia for The 8bit Generation and The tapes are made with 'Herzblut'
@@andreeopthof376 I don't question the sense behind it - I totally get it - I would also just like to know where such custom (blank) data cassettes can be obtained. ;-)
Can't you get an emulator and load everything instantly....
i think they can put all these games on 1 casettte.I got Amstrad Cpc and there were like 6 to 8 games on 1 casette.
Can you not use Code::Blocks Cross Platform development environment using different gnu gcc C/C++ compilers for different processors.
You can
These "new" games do not bring anything new. It is the same that was, there are no new techniques, no new insightes and no new developments. What I think is a new game is that it is produced in a way that was not possible before, like using a bit-maped screen as a part of the background and another screen mode for the actual part of the screen where the game is happening.
Maybe, everything is already invented, possibly nothing really new can be made.
Have you ever seen a game with a mouse running around a room collecting cheese to a five second time limit and where the room changes with each piece collected?
You are right if course, all new games build on what comes before. This is a platform game, but it would be unfair to say it brings nothing new.
I hope it is a fun and enjoyable game in any case even if you don't agree.
BTW, simulated bitmaps on the Vic are not new - many games, including early ones used these techniques. Omega Race is a good example.
Sorry, but this looks like a commercial. If this is the result of free donations, I hope those won't become a major aspect of this otherwise fine channel. - The games are nicely presented, but the gameplay is unimaginative and repetitive. And concerning that development system: A new programming language to code for classical computers? Why should a retro enthusiast touch that?
Even if it is close to Pascal as the name implies, I don't feel enthusiastic about it since Pascal was not a major language on the 8-bit platforms as BASIC or Assembler. The low-level aspects even of Commodore BASIC V2 is what appeals to me compared to more modern, abstract languages that do all they can to hide the machine from the programmer.
I think this is the 3rd or 4th video (out of 90?) where I've shown games that have been donated. I focus on what I genuinely find interesting, which always includes some information about the development process. As for unimaginative and repetitive gameplay, I'm curious what VIC-20 games meet your approval?
Cross-development has been around since the beginning of game development, from the arcade games I grew up playing, to the Atari 2600, C64, Amiga and beyond. I enjoy programming directly on the C64 but have no problem with using other tools.
Pascal wasn't a major 8-bit language, but the C64 itself ended up with 5 or 6 Pascal compilers that I'm aware of. I learned it in school and it's where I first encountered pointers in a high-level language. It feels plenty retro and target-appropriate to me.
I don't know many VIC-20 games since my first computer was a C64, but I find the VIC-20 version of PETSCII Robots way more interesting than the games in this video.
I also don't have objections against cross-development for older systems, as long as it doesn't cut off the chance to understand how a computer works low-level, which is the major appeal of learning (better) retro programming for me.
PETSCII Robots is impressive, and benefits from being conceived as a disk-based (each level individually loaded) game for 32K+ computers, which David managed to squeeze into a VIC-20 with maximum RAM expansion. This is very similar to the expansive Realms of Quest V RPG for VIC-20 I reviewed here a couple years ago (also a donation) which also requires 32K+ RAM and a disk drive. They may be the two biggest VIC-20 games ever made, and can definitely provide a richer experience with all that disk space available to them.
HEWCO's games are definitely more modest, being developed in a much shorter time, and with the limitation of being a single load. But they all stand up very well in the VIC-20 game library, and I genuinely enjoyed playing them.
I was not referring to the size of the games - PETSCII Robots looks more interesting with a glimpse at one single level already. Before the C64, I owned the game console Interton VC 4000 which was more limited technically than the VIC-20 or even the Atari 2600, but it had several fabulous games.
@@NuntiusLegis Cool not-a-PETSCII Robots commercial, bro.
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