Sigma 150-600mm + Canon R7 = Amazing Combo, But....
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- I use the Canon R7 with the Sigma 150-600C in the field taking lots of photos of birds whilst testing the autofocus. I hope you enjoy, Cheers, Duade
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Chapters
00:00 Sigma 150-600C Intro
00:50 Sunrise
02:14 Sulphur-crested Cockatoo
03:15 Ground Pods
04:53 Waterbirds
05:51 European Goldfinch
06:39 Golden-headed Cisticola
07:10 Yellow-rumped Thornbill
07:44 Autofocus test
11:10 Low Light
13:04 Motorbikes
14:24 Recap of Sigm 150-600
14:58 Autofocus Pulsing
16:35 R7 Buffer
17:17 Conclusion
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I appreciate how you show the raw file after the modified one. It's useful to see how they look right out of the camera.
Having the 90d and the Sigma I was really looking forward to this test. Your videos are exceptional in quality and content. Thank you!
Thanks Sigurd, I am glad you found it helpful, Cheers, Duade
Unbelievably beautiful first sunset in the video! Great tests too, loved the comparisons and transformations
Thanks mate, yes, it was a crazy sunrise that is for sure, Cheers, Duade
Always a pleasure watching your videos😊 Love the presentation, depth of topic and various factors you cover for the topic 👏👏👏 Totally a fan 😊 Landscape & Harley pics were awesome as well
Thanks Mohammad, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers, Duade
Thank you for including the raw frames. It's very helpful instruction regarding processing!
Thanks Tremain, it is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
A very informative video and I really liked your closeup image of the sunrise through the dead trees with the two birds in the distance.
Thanks Bruce, yes, I also liked that one, Cheers, Duade
As always Duade, great review and video. The sunrise shots were awesome!
Thanks James, yes, I enjoyed those, Cheers, Duade
one of the best channels out there! thank you Duade!!
Thanks, I really appreciate the support, Cheers, Duade
Great video, Duade. I really enjoyed the information and also the bird photography that includes the environment. And oh, those sunrise shots!
Thanks, I appreciate it, yes, the sunrise was fantastic, I have long admired your work, Cheers, Duade
@@Duade thanks so much, I appreciate that. Congrats on your content -- great info well presented and great vibe to your videos. I just discovered your channel and am enjoying it 🙂
After about half a year of overthinking purchasing this, lense I bought it for my R7. What can I say - it´s just amazing. I have clear pictures, a fantastic zoom and no buffering. The autofocus is slightly jumpy but not more than on my EF 70-200 ii. I run the Ver. 1.0.1 on my R7, in case that helps. If there is any data I can share to help solve that problem, let me know.
Beautiful shots Duade and a very informative video as usual. Surreal to see you snapping a goldfinch down under, a bird I photograph myself here in Manchester UK. Looking forward to hearing about your experience with other lenses on the camera.
Thanks James, yes, we don't have too many introduced species but the Goldfinch and Sparrow are two of the more common ones. Cheers, Duade
Wow, thanks for the heads up. That is my go to lens for wildlife/bird photography and I did not know there was issues with part of the compatiblility. Definitely something to consider and may make me hold onto my 7D Mark II for a bit. Thanks Duade
Thanks John, It still works and takes nice shots, just something to be aware of. Cheers, Duade
I simply loved that video and this experince. I bought a t8i and a sigma 150-600 to try some wildlife photography for the first time ever, I was kinda sad because my pictures doesn't look crispy and sharp as yours. That's insane what you can do with the same lens than me. It make me happy and hopeful I can improve and reach a better pictures level, thanks for all your content Duade!
Thanks Matheus, the more you get out and practice the better the images will become. Try and get close and in nice light which will help a lot. Cheers, Duade
The light at the beginning of the video was breathtaking. Your shots were stunning. There seems to be no R7s available in the UK. Just waiting lists which is frustrating seeing all these great videos and it being at my price point. Despite the auto focus issues I think the Sigma combo will still be popular purely for price. Great video. Thank you.
Thanks May, I agree, it is still a great option. Yes that light was fantastic, we have a shortage down here also. Cheers, Duade
I'm currently trying to save up for this lens. So your videos are always joy bringing! Keep up the good work Mr. Paton
It is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
Excellent Duade another great video. I’m currently running a Sigma 150 to 500 through a recently purchased secondhand Canon 5DSR. I look forward to your videos every week. All the best
Thanks Magoo, I appreciate the support, Cheers, Duade
Another great video, thanks Duade.
Thanks, it is my pleasure ,Cheers, Duade
Hi Duade. When I saw that magnificent view at the beginning of the video, I thought this must be the inspiring image to get you started with landscape photography. Cheers, Bora
Thanks Bora, yes it was fun, I will try and take more Landscapes but birds are where my heart is at. Cheers, Duade
I bought this lens for my 90D and 70D bodies, and have used it on my R7. I mostly use it for stationary wildlife not so much birds in flight so the one point does work well in that regard on the R7. For hobby use I still think it is a good deal for the cost. RF glass or even EF L glass isn't cheap in the longer focal ranges for a lot of us. Yes they have some cheaper RF non L options which have sporadic reviews and hard to pinpoint if they're are worth the investment. I can deal with the out of focus shots ratios compared to the hit to my pocket book for 2500.00 + RF L glass. That's just me. So far I love the R7, the focusing system is crazy good compared to its apsc predecessors. The button layout is cumbersome coming from the previous APSC layouts but is nice to have the ability to map buttons to mostly whatever one likes. Someone will come out with a spacer for those that have bigger hands in time, but coming from battery gripped usage for over 10 years it is a little weird at times, but it is crazy light which is good for those with strength in arms issues. Great review of this combo as usual. Keep up the good work. The landscape shots were really cool!! Thanks Duade. I do wonder if the SPort version has the same issues as the Contemporary or if not as bad...?
Thanks Tony, I totally agree and on reflection you are right that even with the AF issues it still offers exceptional value for 600mm. I think the sport version may have the same issues. Cheers, Duade
Hi Duade, many thanks for your kind sharing.
It is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
Great info and video as always! Inspiration.
The Tamron 150-600 G2 I reviewed performed almost idetntically. Hit rate on JUST out of focus was apparent. Even on R5 it would just be OFF a times.
Thanks for that, I have posted a link to your video a few times for people asking about the Tamron. It is a shame as these zoom lenses are very popular. Fingers crossed they figure out the RF mount as it would be great to have some affordable zoom options as the RF100-500 is very expensive. Cheers, Duade
You both provide such precious information and reviews. Thank you.
@@Duade Agree. Sooner or later they will reverse engineer the mount interface. Well hopefully. Looking forward to your next video as always.
I will just have to manage my expectations! Another quality and informative video Duade.👍
Thanks Ruairi, I still took lots of nice shots, its just important to know the shortcomings. Cheers, Duade
I appreciate the time and attention you've devoted to this issue. I am a huge fan of the Sigma 150-600C, which I use on a mirrorless Canon M6 Mark II for birding/wildlife. If you look at their specs, the R7 and the M6 II are very similar, with a 32 MP sensor, 15-30 fps, identical viewscreens, etc. So I'm mostly interested in the R7 because of its bird eye tracking AF. But when I wrote to Sigma Canada, they denied any problems with the R7, writing that "hunting or pulsing focus in specific instances may be caused by resolution problems with filters or misalignment from impact." Was your Sigma distributor able to provide any more information?
Great review! Beautiful scene with some amazing landscape photos. The Eastern Spinebill, lost a toe(lol) but still gorgeous... the colours are amazing. Wonderful video Duade, cheers!
Thanks Jordan, yes, I did notice that also. Cheers, Duade
Wow that sunrise scene was phenomenal 🔥😍 !! Thanks so much for the video
It is my pleasure, I'm glad you liked it, Cheers, Duade
probably the most anticipated video
I think so, I hope it was worth the wait, Cheers, Duade
@@Duade it was worth it, thank you!
Thanks for this video Duade you have given me something to think about. I currently use the Sigma 150-600 with my 90D and am very happy with this combo, but have been thinking about the R7 as an upgrade although I am not going to rush this decision . Always look forward to your videos.
Thanks William, it still works well but is just something to be aware of, Cheers, Duade
Great video with some amazing shots mate. I don't use the Sigma myself, but it was interesting to see the struggle it had with the autofocus.
Cheers, Bjoern
Thanks mate, yes it was fun but it struggled at times. Cheers, Duade
Thanks great review looks like I’m going to have to save for a new lens as well as the r7 body looking forward to your lens review. Good job I’m happy with my sigma and 7d combination. It’s just that eye tracking looks like a game changer
Thanks David, yes, the eye tracking is fantastic, lets hope Sigma figure out the RF mount and give us a lens to go with the R7. Cheers, Duade
I moved from 7Dmkii to R6 even after being made aware of the focus pulse issue by one of your earlier videos. I think the pulse issue is beaten by the better sensor and quicker focusing. Yes I get soft shots as you say will happen but I think I'm getting more keepers and they are a better quality than what I got with the 7Dmkii. I have an RF50 , RF100 and a RF 24-105 and these are a real pleasure to use. Another great vid thank you. This Brit turned green with envy at that sunrise
Thanks, yes, I think you are right, for its price you will get lots of keepers and you will likely end up with more shots on the R7 then on the 90D say. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade thanks very much - i think you helped me understand why shooting with my new R7 and EF adaptor using a Canon EF 50 mm lens was very frustrated - now I understand the PULSING issue! . thanks1 Hanani
Thank you very much, Duade! I was looking forward to see the first review for this very combo. I have the Sigma 150-600 C and I use it on my Canon 6D, Canon 100D and lately, on the Canon R a late buddy's wife gave me. The auto focus on 100 D is really great, but the quality still suffers from this camera's high ISO disabilities.
So, I try to use the lens with the Canon R and the autofocus is (as I imagine) even worse than with the R5 and R6. It freezes and sometimes I have to refocus manually, so I can get some sharp shots. As you said, it struggles a lot. Similarly as on R5, on the R I can get 1.6x magnification, with losing some megapixels, but obviously it is not the greatest combo for "birding". 🙂
This is the reason all the "cheap" photographers as myself, hope to have found the best solution with the R7 with the Sigma 150-600 Contemporary and asked you to do this review. At this point, I am not convinced that buying the R7 will make me happy, mainly because of it's not great low light capabilities.
I don't know if I can wait another 3-4 years to get the improved R7 II version, so I don't really know yet what I am going to do, but I'm very glad that this review was posted exactly by you, because I like your videos and you are really, really helpful. Buying the 3000 EUR Canon RF 100-500, as far as I am still married with 2 children, is not yet an option if I don't want to sleep on the couch for the rest of my life! 😂😂
Thanks again, you're the best!
It is my pleasure Ivan, it still works well but you do get that inconsistent focus which is a shame. But the Eye AF of the R7 means you will likely get more keepers. It is really rough that is for sure. I hope to test out a few more lenses with it soon. Cheers, Duade
Picked up the Canon R7 with the Sigma lens 150-600mm today.
I've watched your review a lot and I certainly won't regret it.
Thank you so much for your always nice review and videos.
Greetings from Belgium
Congrats on the gear, I am sure you are having a lot of fun with it. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade thanks
I have the R6 and just bought the RF 600mm f/11 lens and I am getting great results for what is a fairly cheap lens. Love watching your videos and keep up the great work.
Thanks Paul, I may have to pick up that lens and give it a go, Cheers, Duade
Great video! Tahnks for this review, it was very interesting. I the pulsing a problem when filming to?
That is interesting Fabian, I did not test it that much with video, I don't think it was as bad.
Thank you Duade for an excellent review. I have a Canon 80d and two Sigma lenses amongst my kit. The 18mm-300mm and the 150mm-600mm. Hopefully Sigma will come up with a firmware update soon to stop the AF pulsing. If they don't, my next camera will be an Olympus OM1 or the older EM1X.
Thanks Simon, the R7 and Sigma is still a good combo and will take sharp shots, you just need to take bursts of shots in increase the keepers. It is a shame and I wish it did not have the issues. Cheers, Duade
I just got an R6 and took it out on a walk this morning to get some small birds at a wildlife refuge. I did notice the pulsing, but I must be easy to please because I still got way more sharp shots than I did with my 5D Mark IV. 😆 Small birds are very hard to grab when they land right in front of you if you don’t have a setup because they’re gone in a flash. I was impressed by how fast it grabbed the eyes.
Thanks, yes, the AF is a big improvement for sure, congrats on the R6. Cheers, Duade
I have this combo and was wondering about this. I have found it will flutter in and out and then just lose focus completely, especially when shooting close up and faced with a busy background. It also seems to struggle a bit to stay on subject if the bird is still and the background is moving in the wind etc. Thanks so much for clearing that up.
Unfortunately it seems that there isn’t many budget options that will work well in with the newest mirrorless cameras from Canon. It would be amazing if they could open up the RF mount to third party manufacturers.
I haven’t seen many people using the RAW burst pre-shooting feature, I have had some good results with it. Would love to see your take!
Good stuff as always!
Thanks Ben, glad to the video helped give you some peace of mind. I still need to test the Pre-shooting feature more. Cheers, Duade
Yessss thank you for this video!
It is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
Thanks for the Review. Well i think you've saved me some cash. Ive been after a 90d . Then the R7 arrives even pricer and needs the basic converter making it expensive , perfect review and pictures from Dani. Now you've mentioned the pulsing, there is no point in a R7 as the eye tracking was the main reason for the R7, 90D it is.
Thanks again for a nice video. Regarding the "groundpod" I have designed mine so that I can quickly use it with the rim facing down when the ground is uneven with stones, pebbles, roots and alike. Oriented this way it is easier to find a spot where the pod is stable. I also tend to use a ballhead to bring down weight and volume as much as possible, with the head folded it does not take much space. Cheers, Tord
Great idea Tord, I had not though of that, I do like to slide mine on the sand or mud at times so I assume if it was upside down it would grab and you would have to lift it? Cheers, Duade
@@Duade I agree, on sand or mud I would use it in the same way as you do. It takes me 10 seconds to change the orientation. .
@@tordandreasson Sounds great, I would love to see it if you could email me at duade.paton@gmail.com Cheers, Duade
@@Duade I have emailed you. Cheers, Tord
I love your videos Duade you get right down to the point of how you take the photos and you do a good job of it when you were taking those photos in this episode I heard a lot of clicking so are you using the electronic shutter or the mechanical shutter see I now have an R7 myself I'm trying to bear with it BUT without a vertical grip I'm having a very hard time , but I'll have it for about a week I'll give it a try if it doesn't work ( I will send it back like so many others have ) then I'll go back to my 7D Mk II which I absolutely love , love to hear from you thank you Duade great videos
Gary, I use a mixture of mechanical and electronic with the R7, I find with very low SS and flighty subjects electronic is the way to go, however at higher SS and birds that aren't flighty I favour the mechanical shutter to avoid the rolling shutter. Good luck, Cheers, Duade
@@Duade thank you for the reply there Duade , thank you for the great videos .
Thank you very much again for this video. I have this combo too and like it so much. Some shots are not 100% sharp here too but most of them are great. Hello from UK.
Thanks for sharing your experience, that is great to hear, Cheers, Duade
I have the R7 on pre order for wildlife. So I'm really interested in your upcoming video. Budget alternatives to the Sigma 150-600 would be really interesting, the Sigma was going to be my first choice.
Thanks Phil, yes there are a few lenses available, my next video has a few options, Cheers, Duade
Gold finches are quite common here in Northern Europe. Many years ago, before I got into photography, I saw a flock of maybe 20 or 30 of them landing in a small oak tree some 40-50 metres away. It was about to get dark, so they obviously wanted to rest there for the night. It was autumn, so the tree had only withered brown curled-up leaves, but at least it had leaves still, where most of the bigger trees had none.
The Goldfinch is a quite colourful little bird, so I was very surprised indeed that the moment they landed they were completely invisible!
I didn't want to disturb them so I didn't move closer, but I was looking through a 12 x 50 pair of binoculars. At first I couldn't see them at all, but then I saw a head, then another one etc. They were all watching me! So after a few minutes I left.
Thanks Lau, they are one of the prettier feral species we get down here, I will photograph any birds, even the introduced ones. Cheers, Duade
Thanks for convincing me to go with the R5, as in the UK low light is a common hazard we get used to, when taking bird photos (apart from this crazy summer) and it sounds like the R7 is just not consistent enough for me. Time for the financial plunge!
Congrats Nick, it is a wonderful camera and one of Canons biggest successes, it should perform very well in your lovely UK weather ;-) Cheers, Duade
Been waiting all weekend for this one lol 😅
Sorry I made you wait so long, was supposed to be last night but had some technical hiccups. Cheers, Duade
this review was highly informative and useful. Thank you very much for making this video. I was contemplating getting an R7 to use for wildlife in lieu of my 5D MKIII. Often I need more reach and the eye tracking seemed like it would be a game changer for getting more sharp shots in addition to higher resolution. Seeing that it often struggles to get focus has made me re-evaluate if this purchase makes sense.
The sigma lens is way more affordable for a hobbyist and unless I can find a canon lens in the same ballpark, I don't know that I'll be changing bodies or lenses.
Amazing video as usual Duade. So lovely to hear from you. Do you know somehow if the sport version of the 150-600 is also having the same issue when it comes to tracking. I bet there's only canon options that only fully support this tracking method yet. Still, very expensives lenses we all love Sigma for it's incredible price and quality. Shame it doesn't work fully.
Thanks John, I have not tested the Sport but I suspect it has similar issues, it is a shame the Sigma lenses have this issue. Lets hope they figure out the RF system soon. Cheers, Duade
Thanks for making this combo duade.
It is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Do you think the 150-600 Sports (S) will do good with the Eye Tracker when compared to he 150-600 C
@@sajudevassy2900 I have not tested the Sport version so cannot be sure, I have had mixed responses from other subscribers, you will still get lots of nice shots with this kit. You will just get some soft shots in the burst. Cheers, Duade
Most interesting, thank you!
It is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
I have that lense on a 77D very happy with it.thanks for this video.
Thanks, yes, a great lens for sure, Cheers, Duade
Just tested this combo for 2 days with over 1000 bird pics. When zooming in you see that most are "soft" and/or a bit out of focus. Very low keep rate. The R7+Sigma combo is constantly zooming and it sucks up your battery much much faster than the native RF lens (Needed 3 batteries for 1000 pics, many bursts). In this price range I totally prefer my Canon RF 100-400. Much much lighter, easy to shoot handheld, much sharper (compared 50-60 pics today. Same birds, same place, changed the lens). In fact the RF 100-400 is surprisingly good. Mostly better pics than my colleagues with bigger and longer lenses (at first they "laugh" at my plastic, tiny 100-400mm until they see my pics and feel the light-weight :) The only pro for Sigma is a slightly nicer and blurrier background (f6,3 vs f8).
Thank so much for your helpful video. The landscape photos you shot are amazing, you are really a great artist. The Sigma 150-600 ‘c’ is a good lens and best choice for beginner wildlife photographer. For focal length, not heavy, sharp and specially price. But its AF can not compare with other great zoom lenses.
Thanks, great thoughts and I agree, for its price it is hard to beat. Cheers, Duade
Really looking forward to a video of best lens for the r7 👍🏻
Thanks Gary, working on it now, Cheers, Duade
I love your videos so much.
I’m very new in photography and bought myself a canon 4000d just to start with to see how it goes. Now I want to upgrade, but really sure what to look at ?
I was thinking about the R7, but it will just be for a hobby. Should I rather stay with a DSLR ?
Nice video!
I Think would be interesting to see the 600 f11 or the 800f11 how they perform with that camera. Since they perform pretty well with the r5/6
Thanks, yes, I don't have the 600f11 but do have the 800f11 to test. Cheers, Duade
Thanks for the review mate. I am in New Zealand, and currently running a 5d mkII with sigma 150-600mm. I have been seriously considering buying an R7 for planespotting but will consider now other lenses too. The purchase goes from $2k up to $5-6k now .... ha ha. Thanks again for your content. And the sunrise was outstanding. Also, I learnt that Australia actually can get cold. I thought you were always hot like Thailand. Cheers, Daniel
As always nice video ❤️
Thanks Seltun, Cheers, Duade
I have this combo and have the same pulsing problem with which I can live with. The alternativ is the expensive 100-500 RF. My wive says, no, wait till Sigma or Tamron has a cheaper lens for this camera. Looking forward to your great reviews.
Thanks Wolfgang, yeah it happens but does not stop you getting nice shots which is great. I am sure they will figure out the RF mount soon enough. Cheers, Duade
Thanks for your great video and nice landscape shot, Duade. I am curious to know what is the keeper rate for R7 with this 150-600/C lens? Is it good enough for BIF? I am also looking forward to seeing your video with rf 800/ f11 lens.
Li Ting, my keeper rate varied in regards to light and subject, I estimate between 50-70% and it does work well for BIF. Cheers, Duade
Thank you so much for sharing.
It is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
Great video Duade. it would be a great buget combo if the pulsing issue could be addressed by some software update from Sigma. there has been rumors from Sigma about producing lenses for the RF mount, not confirmed as yet. cheers
Thanks mate, it was a great morning that is for sure, Cheers, Duade
Not even two minutes in and you sold me!
Hey Duade, do you think you could fix or even mitigate the focus pulsing if you tweaked some settings using the sigma dock for the 150-600? And would you consider that the focus pulsing is an extreme problem or will you be okay> Thanks!
Thanks for another very informative video, Duade! Really appreciate the info on the Sigma lens & you giving it a run through; also, additional thanks to Brian for the loan to test :) I thought you got some very nice shots with it & felt it was quite cool you tried & achieved such diversity. Think you're talented in many photographic aspects. Some great colors in those landscapes for certain.
Do you have a ballpark feel for how many shots are usually soft? Most, some, a great many, etc? I realize all situations can be different, but just curious if it's generally a large majority or something else? Anyway, thanks much again for the continued efforts & your attention to comprehensiveness & an objective outlook. Sincerely appreciate your options, thoughts & perspectives concerning this type of photography. Have a great one & good shooting - Best regards ~Chris
Thanks and that is a great question and I should have mentioned that in the video. It really varied depending on the amount of light as I suspect the R7 is contributing in low light. With the European Goldfinch I had 43 in focus out of 65, the Yellow-rumped Thornbill was 22 in focus out of 45. So it appears between say 50-70% of shots are in focus. Now many of those are likely user shake and other issues so not all the lenses fault. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Sincere thanks for the additional numbers, Duade. It definitely helps to have a better feel for the possible abilities (or lack there of) of that combo. Appreciate the share on those experiences. Have a good one there ~Chris
Great video Duade. Shame about the AF as the ones where it is in focus look great. It would also be a good lens for those with both a DSLR and mirrorless. Hope Sigma can make a native RF mount version down the track.
Thanks Lachlan, yes, got plenty of nice shots. Yes an RF version would be amazing, Cheers, Duade
Nice review Duade! I did get this lens as I had been using one with my Nikon DSLR (D7500) and have enjoyed it for many years. I haven't taken it out much yet so I can't say I've seen the pulsing problem at this time. At 1/3 the cost of the Rf 100-500 it was my only option as I am a hobby photographer and most of the Canon lenses that would pair well with the R7 are just too far out of my budget. I have seen a review on the 100-400 f/8 as an inexpensive option, so I may be saving up for that next as a lightweight travel lens for birds and wildlife. Thanks again!
Thanks Roger, yes, the benefits of the lens still outweigh the negatives and for the price you will still get plenty of great shots. The RF100-400 is a wonderful small lens. Cheers, Duade
Thanks for the review Duade. I wonder if Sigma will soon start making lenses specifically for the Canon R system? I would be interested in seeing how the Canon 100-400L version 2 performs with the R7. Cheers
Thanks Zsolt, yes it would, I hope to try the EF100-400 soon, Cheers, Duade
Thanks for this review. Really helpful. I have had the R7 for a few weeks. The first few times I used it with my Sigma 150-600 C, I thought I must have configured the camera incorrectly. The eye tracking was amazing (especially coming from my 80D) but the focus was terribly inconsistent. Yes, that's the pulsing you talk about. I even tried it on a tripod with a taxidermied duck and when I slightly panned the camera to simulate a moving bird the autofocus still pulsed. I have taken the R7 and the Sigma 150-600 C out 6 times and I would say I only get about 15% of my shots in focus and that doesn't count the times I don't fire the shutter because the bird is so out of focus. I'm finding it super frustrating. I'm torn between getting rid of the R7 and returning to my 80D or keeping the R7 and getting the Canon 100 - 500. For me keeping the R7 and the Sigma 150-600 C is just not an option.
Thanks for sharing your experience Steve, I think there are a number of factors going on, the R7 AF is not as sticky and reliable as the R6/R5 which is to be expected for the price. In low light the R7 just doesn't seem to pick up the contrast differences as well and struggles to maintain focus sometimes. Combine that with the Sigma pulsing and it can get very frustrating. In good light the keepers should be much higher but in low light it will be a struggle. The RF lenses are better than the Sigma but I am still finding I get plenty of soft or OOF shots with the RF lenses which is just part of such a high FPS and the tracking AF of the R7. Overall though I am still able to get some lovely shots and the RF100-500 is a fantastic lens and so sharp so would be a great investment. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade As an update, I had the opportunity to take some photos of a recently fledged Barn Swallow sitting on the wires on my deck. I used the RFS 18 - 150mm kit lens @ 150 mm from 10 yards and still had only one photo out of 9 that were in focus with the eye tracking. Then I took photos of an eyebolt on the deck at 15 meters with the single AF point and still only had 1 photo out of 11 that were sharp. So I'm returning the R7. The focus is just too inconsistent on the unit I was sent. If there is a firmware upgrade that corrects this in the future I may consider repurchasing it but for now, if the camera can't even focus consistently with the kit RFS lens, It's not for me.
Had this lens for several years. Fine to 500mm then became unacceptably soft. Sold it after upgrading. But for the price, a good option.
Thanks Ben, yes it really needs to be stopped down to f/8 to increase sharpness at 600mm. Cheers, Duade
Nice video Duade!! thank you for your efforts and for testing this combo !! Just a question about Af.. Does the traditional Ai servo work without eye tracking? not talking about the "one shot" you demonstrated.. just ai servo with no eye tracking like the old dslr days
Thanks, yes, you do get tracking with single point AF on top of the subject. It still has an issue in this mode also. It appears any type of AI servo has this issue. Cheers, Duade
Hi Duade, great video I was wondering if you were planning on doing a video using the trusty 400 mm f5.6 with the r7?
Thanks Neale, yes, I will in the future for sure, Cheers,Duade
Hi Duade, great review as always. I'm using the r7 with the rf 100 to 500 for about two weeks now and I'm very happy with the performance of this combo. I also have the sigma 150 to 600 Contemporary lens but I have not tried it yet with the r7. I can see the struggle with the AF pulsing in your video and I was wondering if you tried with the image stabilization on or off to see if it makes any difference. Cheers from Canada.
Thanks Laszlo, I had IS turned off on a tripod and still had the same issues. I still got plenty of sharp shots and I would be interested to hear how you get on with it. Cheers, Duade
Thanks Dude, you're timing is impeccable. I just got my R7 and went shooting it with the sigma 150-600 yesterday. You explained perfectly the issues I had, shooting hummingbird babies, owls and green herons. Can't wait to see what you recommend for upgrade.
Thanks Angel, I am sure you still got plenty of keepers but some soft shots also. The lens for its price still performs very well. Cheers, Duade
nice review as always.
Thanks Tommy, Cheers, Duade
Way.... amaizing!
There are many things I like the R7 more than the R5 - better reach, pre capture, electronic shutter sound, low weight, in camera focus stacking, better HDR still, less step to change features etc. The only real negative is the rolling shutter, it is more noticeable than R5. So it makes the pre capture feature less useful.
Thanks for sharing your experience, great to hear you are enjoying the camera. Cheers, Duade
Thanks for this as I had been wondering (as many others) whether this lens was viable or not for bird photography on the R7. Bummer. Now I am eagerly awaiting for your lens recommendation video. I live in an area where I can't just go to the store and try them out - everything is special order. Making a purchase decision like this sight unseen/untested is stressful.
Thanks Ben, yes, it is tough to know exactly which lens is best. I will be sure to try out a few lenses. Cheers, Duade
Greetings from Brazil! Great video!
Greetings from Australia, Cheers, Duade
Excellent video...as always. Does this "pulsing" happen also with ONE SHOT mode? I mean without using the servo?
Victor, no it does not happen on One Shot mode, works well. Cheers, Duade
Craw is the key that no one is talking about. The buffer is zero issue on this camera with a halfway decent card you know.
Thanks, yes, makes the buffer much bigger, Cheers, Duade
amazing video, enjoyed it and that spinebill is so beautiful, must be the Australian relative to the old world sunbirds. thanks so much.
Thanks, we do have a native sunbird species called the Olive-backed sunbird but they are not down here, my mate Jan has one in his latest video. Cheers, Duade th-cam.com/video/TBf2SnTbhRA/w-d-xo.html
yes i saw it, new to me that this sunbird reach Australia i saw it in Bali very photogenic males. and there calls made me feel at home as its a lot similar to the Nile valley sunbird that live in my garden.
thanks again Duade.
@@ammadoux My pleasure, I just need to get up north to see them and photograph them. Cheeers, Duade
Great video! Really would love a review of the R7 with the RF 100-500 f/4.5-7.1 L IS USM. Maybe even with some comparison to the same lens on the R5. Thanks!
Thanks, I did do a video with that lens here th-cam.com/video/Dk8T2OlfS90/w-d-xo.html but have not compared it to anything as yet. Cheers, Duade
I shoot with R5 and this lens. While indeed you see this pulsing you can still take great pictures with it even using eye EF servo tracking. Waiting for RF price and range and quality equivalent.
Thanks Rafal, yes, that is what makes it so tough for me to recommend. You can get nice shots but just have to make peace with the soft shots. For its price it is still great value. Cheers, Duade
another excellent video! thank you! Just wondering if there's a similar issue using the R6 with the sigma lens?
Thanks Linda, yes, it appears all the Canon cameras with AI Servo and Eye tracking have the issue. Cheers, Duade
As always, a great video and very informative. I have this lens and the 60-600, but accept the fact that they were not designed for new R-series MILCs. Hopefully, they will be able to come out with an RF version of these lenses. I will stick with the Rf 100-500 in the meantime. Thanks again, as always for you great presentations and common sense approach. Stunning landscapes at the start as well!!!
Thanks Trevor, do you notice any difference with the more recent 60-600? Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Well, I was shooting with the R5 and R6 and didn't notice the pulsing you were referring to with either lens, however I was shooting at some distance and that brought me to confirm with you something that I had wondered. You didn't SEEM to get significant pulsing at distance, but certainly it had an impact closer to your minimum focusing distance. Is that your experience?
@@trevor9934 Yes, that is my experience and maybe that why the motorbikes were much better, not sure why that might be. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Great, thanks for the confirmation! cheers: Trevor
Beautiful photos, especially in the fog. I particularly like the European Goldfinch at time 6:34. Can you describe the post processing for this image?
Thanks Mike, I do the editing of the RAW file in Lightroom where I adjust the sliders to my taste. You can see what I do here th-cam.com/video/emIrhLNt2sE/w-d-xo.html Cheers, Duade
Thanks Duade. From what you are saying it appears (given your earlier 90D+Sigma 150-600 review) that there is very little reason to upgrade form the 90D to the R7 if I want to retain the Sigma? I certainly hope the R7 will not have issues with the Canon 100-400ii, looking forward to your views on that combo.
It is tough, I think the Eye Tracking and AF upgrade of the R7 means it is still a better option than the 90D even with the pulsing. I suspect you will get more sharp keepers with the R7 than the 90D, especially for BIF. The 100-400 will be fine and should work very well, I hope to get that lens soon to test. Cheers, Duade
I have experienced this focus problem every day since the R7 was released. At least now I know what the problem is. Then another lens will probably be necessary in the future.
Thanks, yes, it appears that is the case. Cheers, Duade
I use the d7 Mark 2 with the Sigma 150-600mm C lens and I get lots of Awesome images however the hunting issue was also observed. Loving your concent keed it up.
Thanks Marcus, Cheers, Duade
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Thanks Barry, I really appreciate it, Cheers, Duade
Picked up my R7 preorder yesterday and used your code for some prograde SD cards (thanks btw). I'm liking it so far except for the warping when using electronic shutter mode. It's pretty noticable even picking up normal hand shake. Also I wish it had another dial for ISO instead of the 4way button so I don't think the ergonomics are optimal.
Thanks for taking a look at the sigma, that sounds like it could be fixed with firmware but there's no telling if sigma even can fix it. I'm also not confident canon would make it easy to fix either.. I'll pass on that lens for now and stick to the 100-500.
Congrats Stephen on the R7, a wonderful camera with some issues that you highlighted. I have gone to using the ISO on the dial, I think others are using exp comp on the dial also. I don't change the Aperture that often so I have that on the control ring of the lens. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Thanks for the reply! I'll test out using the dial for ISO exposure compensation. I'm very happy with the R7 and was super lucky to pick one up locally. Speaking of... I need to go cancel my "preorder". Have a good day and thanks for the video!
Very good review of this combination. I presently use this combination since I already had the lens. I don't know if Sigma will be able to come out with a firmware update for this issue. I understand the Tamron has the same issue. I set up my buttons so I can change from eye tracking to spot so when I see it hunting a lot, which seems to happen mostly with stationary birds, I can switch to spot mode. When I start to track another bird I press a different button. It is taking practice to learn but it appears to work for me.
I really like the focal range and price of this lens. It isn't prefect, I would like it to be weather sealed, but I could have bought the sport version for that. I hope Sigma or Tamron start making RF mount lenses that resolve these focus issues. I could get the Canon RF 100-400mm but losing 200mm and dropping from f6.3 to f8.0 is a concession I am not willing to do at this time. Especially when I could buy a 2x and use my 70-200 f2.8 and get the same max reach at f5.6, granted a much heavier combination. As a hobbies I am going to have a hard time justifying the RF 100-500.
I am curious what the RF100-400 works with the extenders. That lens with the 1.4x could work until Sigma or Tamron come out with a solution. Generally Sigma and Tamron deliver nice lenses at a good price.
Thanks Jeff, great comment and I agree. The RF100-400 works well with the 1.4 but it is getting very slow at f11. The IQ from the Sigma at 600 6.3 will likely be better I would assume, just not as good AF and IS and heavier. I agree it would be great to get an RF version. Cheers, Duade
I don't have the Sigma but I read some comments saying the Tamron G2's pulsing is worse wherease the Sigma's is more subtle and some even say the original G1 is more stable. On my G2 using the R6, the pulsing is at its worse for smaller birds at a close distance. Duade didn't have much of an issue in his older video with the 150-600 on the R6, though I think that might be due to photographing larger birds at a farther distance. I find gulls, eagles and sometimes ducks to be more reliable for the AF than a thrush or chickadee.
Setting One Shot may help but it seems to me the accuracy is not very good still, as if the AF can't lock in time for the pulsing to stop. Strangely, pulsing is greatly reduced when filming video, but I suspect this is using a different AF algorithm than the photo modes as it is considerably slower focusing between wide distances.
I've been using the 800mm f11 and never really looked back. The focus acquisition can be slower but usually tracks quite well. It does occasionally seem to pulse but at least 70-80% of shots are sharp.
I am curious how the Tamron 100-400 works with the R series.
@@fylphotography9269 Thanks for your thoughts and feedback, yes the video AF is not as bad. I also had it worse the closer I got. I have been testing the 800 f11 and have had some issues with focus consistency also. I have more testing to do that is for sure. Cheers, Duade
Thanks!
Thank you, I appreciate the ongoing support, Cheers, Duade
Thanks for your videos, Canon is closing third parties RF production, example Viltrox, my guess is that the Sigma autofocus issue is not a simple protocol malfunction, is a market operation. I was planing to buy R7 +Sigma 150-600 to replace my SX70HS, but change to R10 +old FD 70-200 zoom because of that, a cheaper camera while the market reject Canon policy
Thanks Juan, yes, that is annoying for sure, good luck with your kit, Cheers, Duade
Great vid man, does the Tamron 150-600mm has the same issue ?
I have a Sigma 150-600 combined with a Canon 200D II. I've pre-ordered a R7 and waiting for it. Thank you for the detailed review. While I understand the limitations, I think it'll still be a significant upgrade and I hope to get few good shots from this combination.
Completely agree Rahul, you will take many wonderful shots with that setup. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Thanks! Just that the waiting is agonizing..
@@rahul.k.viswanath so how it is? Do you make nice shots?
@@lucas59190 Yes. It's been great. I've been getting good shots with a few hunting for focus. I even made some of the changes that Duade suggested and things have improved.
@@rahul.k.viswanath amazing bro, I think about getting one too for fun, I live animals and I live close to the most beautiful forest of my country
Well done and informative. Like a lot of people, I am interested in how the R7 does with affordable glass.
Thanks John, I hope to test it on a the older EF400 5.6 at some stage. Cheers, Duade
It will be really wonderful if tamron and Sigma comes up with some RF mount lens soon.
Totally agree, fingers crossed, Cheers, Duade
Wonderful video Duade as always 😋
I'd be happy if you could test the Canon R7 with the Tamron 150-600 G2 🙂
Thanks, unfortunately I don't have access to the Tamron lens at this stage, Cheers, Duade