After about half a year of overthinking purchasing this, lense I bought it for my R7. What can I say - it´s just amazing. I have clear pictures, a fantastic zoom and no buffering. The autofocus is slightly jumpy but not more than on my EF 70-200 ii. I run the Ver. 1.0.1 on my R7, in case that helps. If there is any data I can share to help solve that problem, let me know.
I bought this lens for my 90D and 70D bodies, and have used it on my R7. I mostly use it for stationary wildlife not so much birds in flight so the one point does work well in that regard on the R7. For hobby use I still think it is a good deal for the cost. RF glass or even EF L glass isn't cheap in the longer focal ranges for a lot of us. Yes they have some cheaper RF non L options which have sporadic reviews and hard to pinpoint if they're are worth the investment. I can deal with the out of focus shots ratios compared to the hit to my pocket book for 2500.00 + RF L glass. That's just me. So far I love the R7, the focusing system is crazy good compared to its apsc predecessors. The button layout is cumbersome coming from the previous APSC layouts but is nice to have the ability to map buttons to mostly whatever one likes. Someone will come out with a spacer for those that have bigger hands in time, but coming from battery gripped usage for over 10 years it is a little weird at times, but it is crazy light which is good for those with strength in arms issues. Great review of this combo as usual. Keep up the good work. The landscape shots were really cool!! Thanks Duade. I do wonder if the SPort version has the same issues as the Contemporary or if not as bad...?
Thanks Tony, I totally agree and on reflection you are right that even with the AF issues it still offers exceptional value for 600mm. I think the sport version may have the same issues. Cheers, Duade
Great info and video as always! Inspiration. The Tamron 150-600 G2 I reviewed performed almost idetntically. Hit rate on JUST out of focus was apparent. Even on R5 it would just be OFF a times.
Thanks for that, I have posted a link to your video a few times for people asking about the Tamron. It is a shame as these zoom lenses are very popular. Fingers crossed they figure out the RF mount as it would be great to have some affordable zoom options as the RF100-500 is very expensive. Cheers, Duade
Thanks for the Review. Well i think you've saved me some cash. Ive been after a 90d . Then the R7 arrives even pricer and needs the basic converter making it expensive , perfect review and pictures from Dani. Now you've mentioned the pulsing, there is no point in a R7 as the eye tracking was the main reason for the R7, 90D it is.
Gold finches are quite common here in Northern Europe. Many years ago, before I got into photography, I saw a flock of maybe 20 or 30 of them landing in a small oak tree some 40-50 metres away. It was about to get dark, so they obviously wanted to rest there for the night. It was autumn, so the tree had only withered brown curled-up leaves, but at least it had leaves still, where most of the bigger trees had none. The Goldfinch is a quite colourful little bird, so I was very surprised indeed that the moment they landed they were completely invisible! I didn't want to disturb them so I didn't move closer, but I was looking through a 12 x 50 pair of binoculars. At first I couldn't see them at all, but then I saw a head, then another one etc. They were all watching me! So after a few minutes I left.
Always a pleasure watching your videos😊 Love the presentation, depth of topic and various factors you cover for the topic 👏👏👏 Totally a fan 😊 Landscape & Harley pics were awesome as well
Will receive my R7 tomorrow morning and to be honest even if the eye tracking is a bit of a bust the IBIS will still help. Have been using the canon 90D for 2 years now and even though I think it's an outstanding camera, I often do miss IBIS and that is why I bought the R7.
Thank you very much, Duade! I was looking forward to see the first review for this very combo. I have the Sigma 150-600 C and I use it on my Canon 6D, Canon 100D and lately, on the Canon R a late buddy's wife gave me. The auto focus on 100 D is really great, but the quality still suffers from this camera's high ISO disabilities. So, I try to use the lens with the Canon R and the autofocus is (as I imagine) even worse than with the R5 and R6. It freezes and sometimes I have to refocus manually, so I can get some sharp shots. As you said, it struggles a lot. Similarly as on R5, on the R I can get 1.6x magnification, with losing some megapixels, but obviously it is not the greatest combo for "birding". 🙂 This is the reason all the "cheap" photographers as myself, hope to have found the best solution with the R7 with the Sigma 150-600 Contemporary and asked you to do this review. At this point, I am not convinced that buying the R7 will make me happy, mainly because of it's not great low light capabilities. I don't know if I can wait another 3-4 years to get the improved R7 II version, so I don't really know yet what I am going to do, but I'm very glad that this review was posted exactly by you, because I like your videos and you are really, really helpful. Buying the 3000 EUR Canon RF 100-500, as far as I am still married with 2 children, is not yet an option if I don't want to sleep on the couch for the rest of my life! 😂😂 Thanks again, you're the best!
It is my pleasure Ivan, it still works well but you do get that inconsistent focus which is a shame. But the Eye AF of the R7 means you will likely get more keepers. It is really rough that is for sure. I hope to test out a few more lenses with it soon. Cheers, Duade
I just got an R6 and took it out on a walk this morning to get some small birds at a wildlife refuge. I did notice the pulsing, but I must be easy to please because I still got way more sharp shots than I did with my 5D Mark IV. 😆 Small birds are very hard to grab when they land right in front of you if you don’t have a setup because they’re gone in a flash. I was impressed by how fast it grabbed the eyes.
Picked up the Canon R7 with the Sigma lens 150-600mm today. I've watched your review a lot and I certainly won't regret it. Thank you so much for your always nice review and videos. Greetings from Belgium
I’m using R7 with Sigma 150-600 C for past two years and up until now I never felt it to be unusable..I would say amazing combo.. have taken close to 45-50 thousand shots..yep pulsing happens but I find it be negligible because it’s mostly long focal lengths I shoot at.. Only gripe I have is the weight and shakiness during handheld videos even in slow mos and IS..r7 being lighter the balance feels off with this heavy lens compared to my 5d miii which feels so fit with the lens and you don’t feel the weight like on R7 And as always great videos by Duade..so much insight and slowly feel he is becoming more of a mentor and he made me buy RF 100-400mm lens and what an amazing purchase it has been in this last month Actually I have comparison shots I could share with both Sigma and Rf 100-400
Hi Duade. When I saw that magnificent view at the beginning of the video, I thought this must be the inspiring image to get you started with landscape photography. Cheers, Bora
Just tested this combo for 2 days with over 1000 bird pics. When zooming in you see that most are "soft" and/or a bit out of focus. Very low keep rate. The R7+Sigma combo is constantly zooming and it sucks up your battery much much faster than the native RF lens (Needed 3 batteries for 1000 pics, many bursts). In this price range I totally prefer my Canon RF 100-400. Much much lighter, easy to shoot handheld, much sharper (compared 50-60 pics today. Same birds, same place, changed the lens). In fact the RF 100-400 is surprisingly good. Mostly better pics than my colleagues with bigger and longer lenses (at first they "laugh" at my plastic, tiny 100-400mm until they see my pics and feel the light-weight :) The only pro for Sigma is a slightly nicer and blurrier background (f6,3 vs f8).
Thanks again for a nice video. Regarding the "groundpod" I have designed mine so that I can quickly use it with the rim facing down when the ground is uneven with stones, pebbles, roots and alike. Oriented this way it is easier to find a spot where the pod is stable. I also tend to use a ballhead to bring down weight and volume as much as possible, with the head folded it does not take much space. Cheers, Tord
Great idea Tord, I had not though of that, I do like to slide mine on the sand or mud at times so I assume if it was upside down it would grab and you would have to lift it? Cheers, Duade
I simply loved that video and this experince. I bought a t8i and a sigma 150-600 to try some wildlife photography for the first time ever, I was kinda sad because my pictures doesn't look crispy and sharp as yours. That's insane what you can do with the same lens than me. It make me happy and hopeful I can improve and reach a better pictures level, thanks for all your content Duade!
Thanks Matheus, the more you get out and practice the better the images will become. Try and get close and in nice light which will help a lot. Cheers, Duade
The light at the beginning of the video was breathtaking. Your shots were stunning. There seems to be no R7s available in the UK. Just waiting lists which is frustrating seeing all these great videos and it being at my price point. Despite the auto focus issues I think the Sigma combo will still be popular purely for price. Great video. Thank you.
Beautiful shots Duade and a very informative video as usual. Surreal to see you snapping a goldfinch down under, a bird I photograph myself here in Manchester UK. Looking forward to hearing about your experience with other lenses on the camera.
I appreciate the time and attention you've devoted to this issue. I am a huge fan of the Sigma 150-600C, which I use on a mirrorless Canon M6 Mark II for birding/wildlife. If you look at their specs, the R7 and the M6 II are very similar, with a 32 MP sensor, 15-30 fps, identical viewscreens, etc. So I'm mostly interested in the R7 because of its bird eye tracking AF. But when I wrote to Sigma Canada, they denied any problems with the R7, writing that "hunting or pulsing focus in specific instances may be caused by resolution problems with filters or misalignment from impact." Was your Sigma distributor able to provide any more information?
There are many things I like the R7 more than the R5 - better reach, pre capture, electronic shutter sound, low weight, in camera focus stacking, better HDR still, less step to change features etc. The only real negative is the rolling shutter, it is more noticeable than R5. So it makes the pre capture feature less useful.
I have this combo and was wondering about this. I have found it will flutter in and out and then just lose focus completely, especially when shooting close up and faced with a busy background. It also seems to struggle a bit to stay on subject if the bird is still and the background is moving in the wind etc. Thanks so much for clearing that up. Unfortunately it seems that there isn’t many budget options that will work well in with the newest mirrorless cameras from Canon. It would be amazing if they could open up the RF mount to third party manufacturers. I haven’t seen many people using the RAW burst pre-shooting feature, I have had some good results with it. Would love to see your take! Good stuff as always!
I think it has to be time for Canon to open up the RF mount to third parties like Sigma. A mirror less version of this Len’s would be fantastic, plus they do make some excellent other glass. I had the sport version of this on the 7dMk2 and it was a great combo, however it just didn’t work as well with my R5, and damn was it heavy 😂 another great video Duade, one of the best creators on TH-cam. Keep up the excellent work.
Sadly Canon has no reason to give away it's proprietary data to it's competitors so I can't see this ever happening (and they never did for the EF mount)
Thanks Gary, yes, I wish that was the case but as Noel mentioned they are milking this cow for as long as they can. I hope they do figure out the RF mount as we need an affordable 600mm zoom lens in RF mount. Cheers, Duade
@@noelchignell1048 actually, I strongly believe that Canon is breaking anti-competitive laws by withholding the RF tech. They don't have to give it away either, but they should be legally required to license it to competitors at "reasonable" prices. I hope the US DOJ and the Australian ACCC goes after Canon (and NIkon). I'm about to formally complain to the ACCC about this issue. Canon, and other companies, cannot use IP to strengthen a monopoly on a market, or harm competition. Having only Canon being able to produce RF lenses is not good for the consumer, and imho, from a legal perspective (IANAL), breaches anti-competition laws.
No doubt, In saying that I have had this ground pod for over 10 years, used it hundreds of times without issue. My first few attempts at making my own didn't end well lol. Cheers, Duade 👍
Thanks Dude, you're timing is impeccable. I just got my R7 and went shooting it with the sigma 150-600 yesterday. You explained perfectly the issues I had, shooting hummingbird babies, owls and green herons. Can't wait to see what you recommend for upgrade.
I have experienced this focus problem every day since the R7 was released. At least now I know what the problem is. Then another lens will probably be necessary in the future.
I know the lens is older, so it makes sense that the autofocus doesn't work as well, doesn't surprise me. Hopefully sigma can make an R-mount version soon.
I used this lens with the RP and rarely used continous autofocus because of the focus hunting. In af-s the thing is really impressive. Image-quality-wise the lens is almost as sharp as the sony 200-600 and only loses out to it because it has a bit of purple fringing. To be honest, I never really knew what I was missing untill I upgraded to a combination that did good af-c. I still think its a very good value, and I would probably pick it over any other lens in the sub 1000 euro bracket.
Sub 1000$ gear user here (with RP too) i got the RF 800 F11... i dont have the versatility of a zoom, but i am pretty good with tracking and getting flying targets in frame so im fine with fixed 800mm. The F11 gets a huge problem with not perfect light conditions anymore bcause of high ISO... but i guess for a price of 700$ 2nd hand with rest warranty i cant really complain. Also, the rf 800 is slightly sharper than the 150-600C sigma, no clue about the more expensive sports version. Since i have to crop anyways a lot at wildlife, i preffered the 800 over 150-600, also because of the price and weight/size. With 2x extender the 150-600 has a very unsharp image, the rf 800 also but not that heavy. The RF 800 F11 is just a awesome "point and shoot" supertele with its criminal weight for hiking and so. Im going out normally with a RF 50mm 1.8 STM on my RP and with the 800mm F11 in backpack or vice versa. A compact tripod, RF 50mm 1.8, RF 800mm and a spare battery weight still just 2kg!! And fits easily in a even smaller backpack! I really though a lot about the sigma 150-600mm... only because i use a EF RF filter adapter and my main lens (if i dont use RF) are 28-135mm IS USM and a macro lens, which the 150-600 would fit very nice to. But i also just dont like the "airpump" design. It even annoys me that much on the RF 800 F11 that i often just keep it long. Damn, even in my Backpack for up to 17" notebooks the RF 800 with EOS RP (!!!) fits easily but with extended RF 800! The less im pumping air by moving it, the less dust (or worse) i collect inside.
If i could afford and justify for a hobby, i would take the RF 100-500L, for wildlife with 2x or 1,4x converter. Tested it for some minutes and i was blown away. At first i tested the RF 800 F11 which i bought... then the seller allowed me to test the replacement for his 800 lens... the 100-500L + 2x TC, and WOW! The AF is really good at the RF 800, but the 100-500 is LIGHTNING FAST and barely misses even on my RP. Image Quality is miles ahead without TC (extremely sharp for a zoom lens!) and with 2x TC at least as good as the RF 800. But considering this combination cost nearly 6x as much as the RF 800 F11... well no question, especially the weight and size of the 100-500+2x is already not really "handheld" optimal anymore for more than 2 minutes, the RF 800 (+RP) gives me just endless smiles when im hiking in the green searching for a good chance and enjoying the nature.
I have a Sigma 150-600 combined with a Canon 200D II. I've pre-ordered a R7 and waiting for it. Thank you for the detailed review. While I understand the limitations, I think it'll still be a significant upgrade and I hope to get few good shots from this combination.
@@lucas59190 Yes. It's been great. I've been getting good shots with a few hunting for focus. I even made some of the changes that Duade suggested and things have improved.
Great review! Beautiful scene with some amazing landscape photos. The Eastern Spinebill, lost a toe(lol) but still gorgeous... the colours are amazing. Wonderful video Duade, cheers!
Thanks for your videos, Canon is closing third parties RF production, example Viltrox, my guess is that the Sigma autofocus issue is not a simple protocol malfunction, is a market operation. I was planing to buy R7 +Sigma 150-600 to replace my SX70HS, but change to R10 +old FD 70-200 zoom because of that, a cheaper camera while the market reject Canon policy
Thanks for the review mate. I am in New Zealand, and currently running a 5d mkII with sigma 150-600mm. I have been seriously considering buying an R7 for planespotting but will consider now other lenses too. The purchase goes from $2k up to $5-6k now .... ha ha. Thanks again for your content. And the sunrise was outstanding. Also, I learnt that Australia actually can get cold. I thought you were always hot like Thailand. Cheers, Daniel
Thanks mate, I agree, the combo has issues but frustratingly you still get very nice shots. So hard to know exactly what the best lens is outside the RF100-500. Cheers, Duade
This weekend I experienced what appeared to be pulsing with a EF lens and Canon adapter on my R7. Lens is a CANON EF 70-200MM F2.8 USM MK III. Seemed to only happen around 150mm or below.
Great review as always!! R7 works very well with R100-400mm and R1.4 or R2 teleconverter. This could be an inexpensive option. I notice a slight loss of contrast with R2, and the shutter speed would be a problem in low light for BIF. I prefer this lens to R100-500mm due to weight and being able to work across the zoom range during travel. Perhaps, sigma ef 100-400mm C with a 1.4x could be an option also. I do not remember I have an issue with the focus with R5. Unfortunately, I could not verify it with the new R7 since I gave it away. It does not work with 2x (generic teleconverter) and R5 for sure.
@@vinjass Your focal length becomes 140-560mm with the 1.4, you then times that by the crop factor of 1.6 which gives you a field of view of 224-896. Cheers, Duade
Thanks for convincing me to go with the R5, as in the UK low light is a common hazard we get used to, when taking bird photos (apart from this crazy summer) and it sounds like the R7 is just not consistent enough for me. Time for the financial plunge!
You think that was a spectacular sunrise. Well, for a really spectacular one you need more clouds. In Danmark we don't have as many spectacular bird species as you do in Australia, but our sunrises and sunsets are often better. It's a bit like we don't have oranges or peaches (except imported), but our home grown apples have much more taste.
Your videos are always informative. And I really like how you show the original file then the crop and processed file overlay. While I am not in the market for the gear in this video, I think your presentation and testing are spot on and should help folks that are on the fence about making an informed decision. Keep up the excellent work!
I have this combo and have the same pulsing problem with which I can live with. The alternativ is the expensive 100-500 RF. My wive says, no, wait till Sigma or Tamron has a cheaper lens for this camera. Looking forward to your great reviews.
Thanks Wolfgang, yeah it happens but does not stop you getting nice shots which is great. I am sure they will figure out the RF mount soon enough. Cheers, Duade
Thank you very much again for this video. I have this combo too and like it so much. Some shots are not 100% sharp here too but most of them are great. Hello from UK.
I have the R6 and just bought the RF 600mm f/11 lens and I am getting great results for what is a fairly cheap lens. Love watching your videos and keep up the great work.
I moved from 7Dmkii to R6 even after being made aware of the focus pulse issue by one of your earlier videos. I think the pulse issue is beaten by the better sensor and quicker focusing. Yes I get soft shots as you say will happen but I think I'm getting more keepers and they are a better quality than what I got with the 7Dmkii. I have an RF50 , RF100 and a RF 24-105 and these are a real pleasure to use. Another great vid thank you. This Brit turned green with envy at that sunrise
Thanks, yes, I think you are right, for its price you will get lots of keepers and you will likely end up with more shots on the R7 then on the 90D say. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade thanks very much - i think you helped me understand why shooting with my new R7 and EF adaptor using a Canon EF 50 mm lens was very frustrated - now I understand the PULSING issue! . thanks1 Hanani
Excellent Duade another great video. I’m currently running a Sigma 150 to 500 through a recently purchased secondhand Canon 5DSR. I look forward to your videos every week. All the best
Wow, thanks for the heads up. That is my go to lens for wildlife/bird photography and I did not know there was issues with part of the compatiblility. Definitely something to consider and may make me hold onto my 7D Mark II for a bit. Thanks Duade
I been using R5 + Sigma 150-600mm and was wondering why I was having issues with the focus. I already owned the Sigma before buying the camera so its not a big deal but now I really look forward to getting a Canon L series lens. Thanks Duade👍
@@Duade I still get some good photos. I should add that I was just happy to hear that it is from the lens and not the camera.🙂 I was almost starting to dought my R5 purchase.
I shoot with R5 and this lens. While indeed you see this pulsing you can still take great pictures with it even using eye EF servo tracking. Waiting for RF price and range and quality equivalent.
Thanks Rafal, yes, that is what makes it so tough for me to recommend. You can get nice shots but just have to make peace with the soft shots. For its price it is still great value. Cheers, Duade
Great video with some amazing shots mate. I don't use the Sigma myself, but it was interesting to see the struggle it had with the autofocus. Cheers, Bjoern
I have the R7 on pre order for wildlife. So I'm really interested in your upcoming video. Budget alternatives to the Sigma 150-600 would be really interesting, the Sigma was going to be my first choice.
I would like to point out that this pulsing issue is not unique to Sigma 150-600C or other adapted EF lenses. I just tested my R6 with native RF 50 f1.8 and adapted Sigma EF 105 f2.8. Both lenses have quite loud focus motors so the pulsing can be easily heard. And both lenses exhibit similar degrees of pulsing, more obvious at close distances like you mentioned. And taking photos while keeping continuous AF engaged resulted in shifting focus between the shoots, or in your words, soft shoots in between sharp ones. I believe this issue is inherent to the autofocus algorithm. Basically, the camera is doing contrast detection here. The lenses that can respond faster to the demand from camera body will be better at "hidding" the pulsing phenomenon, as they pulse faster, with smaller amplitude, thus less noticeable. But even the expensive RF L lenses are probably not completely "pulsing free". Though, I have never tested those expensive ones, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Thanks Liang, I suspect you are right and some lenses are more impacted by this then others. When I do the test with the RF100-500 or RF100-400 I cannot see the pulsing to the naked eye but the RF800 f11 does appear to suffer from the sharp soft sharp phenomenon I am experiencing. So it is likely the closer you get the worse it is and perhaps the type of AF motor or speed between the lens and the camera has an influence. Also of interest is the R7 appears to be worse than the R5/R6 in the inconsistent focus which may be related to a slower AF system in the R7 which exacerbates the issue? Thanks for your comment, an interesting topic for sure, Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Hey Daude, I did some follow-up tests, and here are my finds. I have set my R6 and RF 50 1.8 completely still, towards a stationary target, then engage continuous AF. Then there is some chance that the pulsing would occur, even though nothing is moving. I have not yet figured out what factors could cause the pulsing, seems to be related to the distance. If I hand hold the R6, then there is always pulsing, no matter how hard I tried to be steady. However, then I repeated the test with my Nikon D500 DSLR and Nikon AFS 85 1.8 lens, and I found no pulsing behavior when both camera and target are stationary. There is even no pulsing when I hand hold the camera and try to be still (no large movement). Have you tested any high-end Canon EF prime lenses adapted to RF mount?
@@liangzhao9378 Thanks Liang, it has to be down to the Servo mode on the mirorrless cameras and how the tracking works, like you mentioned those constant messages between camera and lens no doubt get confused at times causing the pulsing. Thanks again, Cheers, DUade
Thanks for this video Duade you have given me something to think about. I currently use the Sigma 150-600 with my 90D and am very happy with this combo, but have been thinking about the R7 as an upgrade although I am not going to rush this decision . Always look forward to your videos.
Duade, I think the pulsing is intentional, so people buy a Canon lens. I made a TH-cam video when I was looking for something sharper than my Sigma 50-500 on my R6. I wanted the RF 100-500 but looked at the EF100-400L ii but there was little difference so I bought a Sigma 120-300 f2.8. On the 5D4 with a 2x the results were fantastic. As I wanted animal eye focus tracking and more pixels I bought an R5, I haven't had a sharp image since. Even without an extender the images are much sharper from the 5D4, so my next video with be an in depth into that.
Thanks for sharing, that is interesting the Sigma is having issues on your R6. It does appear the third party lenses do struggle a bit more than Canon lenses on mirrorless. Cheers, Duade
Excellent video, great pictures as always. Thanks a lot for taking the time to review this lens with the R7. Hope I can come to Australia one day, your vids are amazing at showing how much great fauna you guys have! I have been extremely happy with my R7 + sigma 150 600. The focus issues only come up in rare scenarios, and even when they do, you can almost always manage to get a couple shots in focus in a burst. But it's something that potential buyers need to know and consider if they're thinking of getting this lens for a mirrorless. As for me I'll hang on to the Sigma until an RF version gets released. I could never justify the price of the RF 100 500 considering how great the Sigma is for the price, and I think any of the cheaper Canon lenses would be a downgrade in one way or another (reach for the 100-400 or light/MFD/range for the 800 f11). As annoying as the AF quirks can sometimes be it's far from a deal breaker for me. Cheers
Thanks Simon, I really appreciate hearing from people who are using this combo long term. I think you are right in that the benefits outweigh the AF issues and like you say you still get lots of nice shots as I did in the video. Thanks again and I will mention this in a future video for lenses to consider. Cheers, Duade
Thanks a lot for this test! But I think the question is not so much whether you should buy this lens for the R7. It's more a question of whether you should buy the R7 for this lens. I suspect that most of the requests have come from DSLR owners who (like me) already own the Sigma 150-600 and wonder if the R7 will suit it. I already knew I won't buy the R7, but many were probably in doubt. Investing in a new camera is one thing. Investing in a new camera AND a new lens is quite another thing.
Thanks Lau, it still works well and for its price I think it still makes a good combo. Just being aware of the limitations is a good thing so people can take more photos to increase the keepers. Cheers, Duade
Amazing video as usual Duade. So lovely to hear from you. Do you know somehow if the sport version of the 150-600 is also having the same issue when it comes to tracking. I bet there's only canon options that only fully support this tracking method yet. Still, very expensives lenses we all love Sigma for it's incredible price and quality. Shame it doesn't work fully.
Thanks John, I have not tested the Sport but I suspect it has similar issues, it is a shame the Sigma lenses have this issue. Lets hope they figure out the RF system soon. Cheers, Duade
I'll never get used to the fact that Australia can be cold.. when I see your videos I always feel sweaty thinking "oh he's wearing so much clothes while it must be 30°+ out there.. but nah it's 2 freaking degrees haha
Thank you Duade for this beautiful video with this magnificent light at the beginning of the video and this sublime landscape! I was thinking of buying the R7 equipped with my Sigma 150-600 and using my 90D as a second camera but I'll wait... Sigma hasn't made any updates since 2019 on this lens I can understand with Canon refusing to open its RF mount to third parties ... and still no RF150-600 or 200-600 or even 200-500 IS USM at 1500 - 2000 (euros / dollars) as Nikon / Sony / Fuji do which in my opinion could sell for a lot amount ! So the R7 is only 1500 euros which is great but you have to couple it at least with the RF 100-500 which costs double to have an excellent combo...
Thanks Ludo, yes that is the dilemma at present in terms of lenses. The EF100-400 + 1.4 is also a worthy consideration but again nowhere near as affordable as the Sigma. I think many people will use the Sigma and be very happy, you still take plenty of sharp shots as I did, you just need to shoot in bursts to increase the odds of a keeper. Cheers, Duade
As always, a great video and very informative. I have this lens and the 60-600, but accept the fact that they were not designed for new R-series MILCs. Hopefully, they will be able to come out with an RF version of these lenses. I will stick with the Rf 100-500 in the meantime. Thanks again, as always for you great presentations and common sense approach. Stunning landscapes at the start as well!!!
@@Duade Well, I was shooting with the R5 and R6 and didn't notice the pulsing you were referring to with either lens, however I was shooting at some distance and that brought me to confirm with you something that I had wondered. You didn't SEEM to get significant pulsing at distance, but certainly it had an impact closer to your minimum focusing distance. Is that your experience?
I love your videos Duade you get right down to the point of how you take the photos and you do a good job of it when you were taking those photos in this episode I heard a lot of clicking so are you using the electronic shutter or the mechanical shutter see I now have an R7 myself I'm trying to bear with it BUT without a vertical grip I'm having a very hard time , but I'll have it for about a week I'll give it a try if it doesn't work ( I will send it back like so many others have ) then I'll go back to my 7D Mk II which I absolutely love , love to hear from you thank you Duade great videos
Gary, I use a mixture of mechanical and electronic with the R7, I find with very low SS and flighty subjects electronic is the way to go, however at higher SS and birds that aren't flighty I favour the mechanical shutter to avoid the rolling shutter. Good luck, Cheers, Duade
Thank so much for your helpful video. The landscape photos you shot are amazing, you are really a great artist. The Sigma 150-600 ‘c’ is a good lens and best choice for beginner wildlife photographer. For focal length, not heavy, sharp and specially price. But its AF can not compare with other great zoom lenses.
this review was highly informative and useful. Thank you very much for making this video. I was contemplating getting an R7 to use for wildlife in lieu of my 5D MKIII. Often I need more reach and the eye tracking seemed like it would be a game changer for getting more sharp shots in addition to higher resolution. Seeing that it often struggles to get focus has made me re-evaluate if this purchase makes sense. The sigma lens is way more affordable for a hobbyist and unless I can find a canon lens in the same ballpark, I don't know that I'll be changing bodies or lenses.
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I wonder when Sigma or Tamron are going to release this version for the R mount, it´s already out for the E Mount.
SPOILER ALERT: Duade has received some settings (both on the lens and in camera) which seem to significantly reduce the pulsing. See Duade's YT on the R10 from September 11, or his reply to Sabyasachi about a week ago. Even when I was not exactly interested in this combo, I still enjoyed watching it Duade !!
I use the d7 Mark 2 with the Sigma 150-600mm C lens and I get lots of Awesome images however the hunting issue was also observed. Loving your concent keed it up.
I appreciate how you show the raw file after the modified one. It's useful to see how they look right out of the camera.
probably the most anticipated video
I think so, I hope it was worth the wait, Cheers, Duade
@@Duade it was worth it, thank you!
After about half a year of overthinking purchasing this, lense I bought it for my R7. What can I say - it´s just amazing. I have clear pictures, a fantastic zoom and no buffering. The autofocus is slightly jumpy but not more than on my EF 70-200 ii. I run the Ver. 1.0.1 on my R7, in case that helps. If there is any data I can share to help solve that problem, let me know.
A very informative video and I really liked your closeup image of the sunrise through the dead trees with the two birds in the distance.
Thanks Bruce, yes, I also liked that one, Cheers, Duade
Craw is the key that no one is talking about. The buffer is zero issue on this camera with a halfway decent card you know.
Thanks, yes, makes the buffer much bigger, Cheers, Duade
I bought this lens for my 90D and 70D bodies, and have used it on my R7. I mostly use it for stationary wildlife not so much birds in flight so the one point does work well in that regard on the R7. For hobby use I still think it is a good deal for the cost. RF glass or even EF L glass isn't cheap in the longer focal ranges for a lot of us. Yes they have some cheaper RF non L options which have sporadic reviews and hard to pinpoint if they're are worth the investment. I can deal with the out of focus shots ratios compared to the hit to my pocket book for 2500.00 + RF L glass. That's just me. So far I love the R7, the focusing system is crazy good compared to its apsc predecessors. The button layout is cumbersome coming from the previous APSC layouts but is nice to have the ability to map buttons to mostly whatever one likes. Someone will come out with a spacer for those that have bigger hands in time, but coming from battery gripped usage for over 10 years it is a little weird at times, but it is crazy light which is good for those with strength in arms issues. Great review of this combo as usual. Keep up the good work. The landscape shots were really cool!! Thanks Duade. I do wonder if the SPort version has the same issues as the Contemporary or if not as bad...?
Thanks Tony, I totally agree and on reflection you are right that even with the AF issues it still offers exceptional value for 600mm. I think the sport version may have the same issues. Cheers, Duade
one of the best channels out there! thank you Duade!!
Thanks, I really appreciate the support, Cheers, Duade
Great info and video as always! Inspiration.
The Tamron 150-600 G2 I reviewed performed almost idetntically. Hit rate on JUST out of focus was apparent. Even on R5 it would just be OFF a times.
Thanks for that, I have posted a link to your video a few times for people asking about the Tamron. It is a shame as these zoom lenses are very popular. Fingers crossed they figure out the RF mount as it would be great to have some affordable zoom options as the RF100-500 is very expensive. Cheers, Duade
You both provide such precious information and reviews. Thank you.
@@Duade Agree. Sooner or later they will reverse engineer the mount interface. Well hopefully. Looking forward to your next video as always.
Unbelievably beautiful first sunset in the video! Great tests too, loved the comparisons and transformations
Thanks mate, yes, it was a crazy sunrise that is for sure, Cheers, Duade
Thanks for the Review. Well i think you've saved me some cash. Ive been after a 90d . Then the R7 arrives even pricer and needs the basic converter making it expensive , perfect review and pictures from Dani. Now you've mentioned the pulsing, there is no point in a R7 as the eye tracking was the main reason for the R7, 90D it is.
Gold finches are quite common here in Northern Europe. Many years ago, before I got into photography, I saw a flock of maybe 20 or 30 of them landing in a small oak tree some 40-50 metres away. It was about to get dark, so they obviously wanted to rest there for the night. It was autumn, so the tree had only withered brown curled-up leaves, but at least it had leaves still, where most of the bigger trees had none.
The Goldfinch is a quite colourful little bird, so I was very surprised indeed that the moment they landed they were completely invisible!
I didn't want to disturb them so I didn't move closer, but I was looking through a 12 x 50 pair of binoculars. At first I couldn't see them at all, but then I saw a head, then another one etc. They were all watching me! So after a few minutes I left.
Thanks Lau, they are one of the prettier feral species we get down here, I will photograph any birds, even the introduced ones. Cheers, Duade
Always a pleasure watching your videos😊 Love the presentation, depth of topic and various factors you cover for the topic 👏👏👏 Totally a fan 😊 Landscape & Harley pics were awesome as well
Thanks Mohammad, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers, Duade
Will receive my R7 tomorrow morning and to be honest even if the eye tracking is a bit of a bust the IBIS will still help. Have been using the canon 90D for 2 years now and even though I think it's an outstanding camera, I often do miss IBIS and that is why I bought the R7.
Thank you very much, Duade! I was looking forward to see the first review for this very combo. I have the Sigma 150-600 C and I use it on my Canon 6D, Canon 100D and lately, on the Canon R a late buddy's wife gave me. The auto focus on 100 D is really great, but the quality still suffers from this camera's high ISO disabilities.
So, I try to use the lens with the Canon R and the autofocus is (as I imagine) even worse than with the R5 and R6. It freezes and sometimes I have to refocus manually, so I can get some sharp shots. As you said, it struggles a lot. Similarly as on R5, on the R I can get 1.6x magnification, with losing some megapixels, but obviously it is not the greatest combo for "birding". 🙂
This is the reason all the "cheap" photographers as myself, hope to have found the best solution with the R7 with the Sigma 150-600 Contemporary and asked you to do this review. At this point, I am not convinced that buying the R7 will make me happy, mainly because of it's not great low light capabilities.
I don't know if I can wait another 3-4 years to get the improved R7 II version, so I don't really know yet what I am going to do, but I'm very glad that this review was posted exactly by you, because I like your videos and you are really, really helpful. Buying the 3000 EUR Canon RF 100-500, as far as I am still married with 2 children, is not yet an option if I don't want to sleep on the couch for the rest of my life! 😂😂
Thanks again, you're the best!
It is my pleasure Ivan, it still works well but you do get that inconsistent focus which is a shame. But the Eye AF of the R7 means you will likely get more keepers. It is really rough that is for sure. I hope to test out a few more lenses with it soon. Cheers, Duade
I just got an R6 and took it out on a walk this morning to get some small birds at a wildlife refuge. I did notice the pulsing, but I must be easy to please because I still got way more sharp shots than I did with my 5D Mark IV. 😆 Small birds are very hard to grab when they land right in front of you if you don’t have a setup because they’re gone in a flash. I was impressed by how fast it grabbed the eyes.
Thanks, yes, the AF is a big improvement for sure, congrats on the R6. Cheers, Duade
Picked up the Canon R7 with the Sigma lens 150-600mm today.
I've watched your review a lot and I certainly won't regret it.
Thank you so much for your always nice review and videos.
Greetings from Belgium
Congrats on the gear, I am sure you are having a lot of fun with it. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade thanks
I’m using R7 with Sigma 150-600 C for past two years and up until now I never felt it to be unusable..I would say amazing combo.. have taken close to 45-50 thousand shots..yep pulsing happens but I find it be negligible because it’s mostly long focal lengths I shoot at..
Only gripe I have is the weight and shakiness during handheld videos even in slow mos and IS..r7 being lighter the balance feels off with this heavy lens compared to my 5d miii which feels so fit with the lens and you don’t feel the weight like on R7
And as always great videos by Duade..so much insight and slowly feel he is becoming more of a mentor and he made me buy RF 100-400mm lens and what an amazing purchase it has been in this last month
Actually I have comparison shots I could share with both Sigma and Rf 100-400
From what distance close by does the af starts pulsing?
As always Duade, great review and video. The sunrise shots were awesome!
Thanks James, yes, I enjoyed those, Cheers, Duade
Hi Duade. When I saw that magnificent view at the beginning of the video, I thought this must be the inspiring image to get you started with landscape photography. Cheers, Bora
Thanks Bora, yes it was fun, I will try and take more Landscapes but birds are where my heart is at. Cheers, Duade
Thank you for including the raw frames. It's very helpful instruction regarding processing!
Thanks Tremain, it is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
Just tested this combo for 2 days with over 1000 bird pics. When zooming in you see that most are "soft" and/or a bit out of focus. Very low keep rate. The R7+Sigma combo is constantly zooming and it sucks up your battery much much faster than the native RF lens (Needed 3 batteries for 1000 pics, many bursts). In this price range I totally prefer my Canon RF 100-400. Much much lighter, easy to shoot handheld, much sharper (compared 50-60 pics today. Same birds, same place, changed the lens). In fact the RF 100-400 is surprisingly good. Mostly better pics than my colleagues with bigger and longer lenses (at first they "laugh" at my plastic, tiny 100-400mm until they see my pics and feel the light-weight :) The only pro for Sigma is a slightly nicer and blurrier background (f6,3 vs f8).
Thanks again for a nice video. Regarding the "groundpod" I have designed mine so that I can quickly use it with the rim facing down when the ground is uneven with stones, pebbles, roots and alike. Oriented this way it is easier to find a spot where the pod is stable. I also tend to use a ballhead to bring down weight and volume as much as possible, with the head folded it does not take much space. Cheers, Tord
Great idea Tord, I had not though of that, I do like to slide mine on the sand or mud at times so I assume if it was upside down it would grab and you would have to lift it? Cheers, Duade
@@Duade I agree, on sand or mud I would use it in the same way as you do. It takes me 10 seconds to change the orientation. .
@@tordandreasson Sounds great, I would love to see it if you could email me at duade.paton@gmail.com Cheers, Duade
@@Duade I have emailed you. Cheers, Tord
I simply loved that video and this experince. I bought a t8i and a sigma 150-600 to try some wildlife photography for the first time ever, I was kinda sad because my pictures doesn't look crispy and sharp as yours. That's insane what you can do with the same lens than me. It make me happy and hopeful I can improve and reach a better pictures level, thanks for all your content Duade!
Thanks Matheus, the more you get out and practice the better the images will become. Try and get close and in nice light which will help a lot. Cheers, Duade
The light at the beginning of the video was breathtaking. Your shots were stunning. There seems to be no R7s available in the UK. Just waiting lists which is frustrating seeing all these great videos and it being at my price point. Despite the auto focus issues I think the Sigma combo will still be popular purely for price. Great video. Thank you.
Thanks May, I agree, it is still a great option. Yes that light was fantastic, we have a shortage down here also. Cheers, Duade
Beautiful shots Duade and a very informative video as usual. Surreal to see you snapping a goldfinch down under, a bird I photograph myself here in Manchester UK. Looking forward to hearing about your experience with other lenses on the camera.
Thanks James, yes, we don't have too many introduced species but the Goldfinch and Sparrow are two of the more common ones. Cheers, Duade
I'm currently trying to save up for this lens. So your videos are always joy bringing! Keep up the good work Mr. Paton
It is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
Hi Duade, many thanks for your kind sharing.
It is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
Had this lens for several years. Fine to 500mm then became unacceptably soft. Sold it after upgrading. But for the price, a good option.
Thanks Ben, yes it really needs to be stopped down to f/8 to increase sharpness at 600mm. Cheers, Duade
I appreciate the time and attention you've devoted to this issue. I am a huge fan of the Sigma 150-600C, which I use on a mirrorless Canon M6 Mark II for birding/wildlife. If you look at their specs, the R7 and the M6 II are very similar, with a 32 MP sensor, 15-30 fps, identical viewscreens, etc. So I'm mostly interested in the R7 because of its bird eye tracking AF. But when I wrote to Sigma Canada, they denied any problems with the R7, writing that "hunting or pulsing focus in specific instances may be caused by resolution problems with filters or misalignment from impact." Was your Sigma distributor able to provide any more information?
I love this test, the only setback is when I know that DXO doesn’t support R7 yet
Thanks, not too far away I am sure, Cheers, Duade
There are many things I like the R7 more than the R5 - better reach, pre capture, electronic shutter sound, low weight, in camera focus stacking, better HDR still, less step to change features etc. The only real negative is the rolling shutter, it is more noticeable than R5. So it makes the pre capture feature less useful.
Thanks for sharing your experience, great to hear you are enjoying the camera. Cheers, Duade
I have this combo and was wondering about this. I have found it will flutter in and out and then just lose focus completely, especially when shooting close up and faced with a busy background. It also seems to struggle a bit to stay on subject if the bird is still and the background is moving in the wind etc. Thanks so much for clearing that up.
Unfortunately it seems that there isn’t many budget options that will work well in with the newest mirrorless cameras from Canon. It would be amazing if they could open up the RF mount to third party manufacturers.
I haven’t seen many people using the RAW burst pre-shooting feature, I have had some good results with it. Would love to see your take!
Good stuff as always!
Thanks Ben, glad to the video helped give you some peace of mind. I still need to test the Pre-shooting feature more. Cheers, Duade
I think it has to be time for Canon to open up the RF mount to third parties like Sigma. A mirror less version of this Len’s would be fantastic, plus they do make some excellent other glass. I had the sport version of this on the 7dMk2 and it was a great combo, however it just didn’t work as well with my R5, and damn was it heavy 😂 another great video Duade, one of the best creators on TH-cam. Keep up the excellent work.
Sadly Canon has no reason to give away it's proprietary data to it's competitors so I can't see this ever happening (and they never did for the EF mount)
Thanks Gary, yes, I wish that was the case but as Noel mentioned they are milking this cow for as long as they can. I hope they do figure out the RF mount as we need an affordable 600mm zoom lens in RF mount. Cheers, Duade
The 150-600mm Sigma I had was EF and I’m sure Tamron made similar. Are you saying they weren’t actual supported mounts?
Interesting just read the tech was reversed engineered by all but Carl Zeiss I believe. You learn something new everyday…
@@noelchignell1048 actually, I strongly believe that Canon is breaking anti-competitive laws by withholding the RF tech. They don't have to give it away either, but they should be legally required to license it to competitors at "reasonable" prices. I hope the US DOJ and the Australian ACCC goes after Canon (and NIkon). I'm about to formally complain to the ACCC about this issue. Canon, and other companies, cannot use IP to strengthen a monopoly on a market, or harm competition.
Having only Canon being able to produce RF lenses is not good for the consumer, and imho, from a legal perspective (IANAL), breaches anti-competition laws.
Wow that sunrise scene was phenomenal 🔥😍 !! Thanks so much for the video
It is my pleasure, I'm glad you liked it, Cheers, Duade
Handmade ground pot looks way more elite
No doubt, In saying that I have had this ground pod for over 10 years, used it hundreds of times without issue. My first few attempts at making my own didn't end well lol. Cheers, Duade 👍
Made mine out of a ash tray glued the bolt to the tray works good
Sounds good Buck, plenty of different options, Cheers, Duade
Thanks Dude, you're timing is impeccable. I just got my R7 and went shooting it with the sigma 150-600 yesterday. You explained perfectly the issues I had, shooting hummingbird babies, owls and green herons. Can't wait to see what you recommend for upgrade.
Thanks Angel, I am sure you still got plenty of keepers but some soft shots also. The lens for its price still performs very well. Cheers, Duade
I have experienced this focus problem every day since the R7 was released. At least now I know what the problem is. Then another lens will probably be necessary in the future.
Thanks, yes, it appears that is the case. Cheers, Duade
I will just have to manage my expectations! Another quality and informative video Duade.👍
Thanks Ruairi, I still took lots of nice shots, its just important to know the shortcomings. Cheers, Duade
I know the lens is older, so it makes sense that the autofocus doesn't work as well, doesn't surprise me. Hopefully sigma can make an R-mount version soon.
Thanks Danielle, I agree, fingers crossed for an RF version. Cheers, Duade
I used this lens with the RP and rarely used continous autofocus because of the focus hunting. In af-s the thing is really impressive. Image-quality-wise the lens is almost as sharp as the sony 200-600 and only loses out to it because it has a bit of purple fringing. To be honest, I never really knew what I was missing untill I upgraded to a combination that did good af-c. I still think its a very good value, and I would probably pick it over any other lens in the sub 1000 euro bracket.
Sub 1000$ gear user here (with RP too)
i got the RF 800 F11... i dont have the versatility of a zoom, but i am pretty good with tracking and getting flying targets in frame so im fine with fixed 800mm. The F11 gets a huge problem with not perfect light conditions anymore bcause of high ISO... but i guess for a price of 700$ 2nd hand with rest warranty i cant really complain.
Also, the rf 800 is slightly sharper than the 150-600C sigma, no clue about the more expensive sports version.
Since i have to crop anyways a lot at wildlife, i preffered the 800 over 150-600, also because of the price and weight/size. With 2x extender the 150-600 has a very unsharp image, the rf 800 also but not that heavy.
The RF 800 F11 is just a awesome "point and shoot" supertele with its criminal weight for hiking and so. Im going out normally with a RF 50mm 1.8 STM on my RP and with the 800mm F11 in backpack or vice versa. A compact tripod, RF 50mm 1.8, RF 800mm and a spare battery weight still just 2kg!! And fits easily in a even smaller backpack!
I really though a lot about the sigma 150-600mm... only because i use a EF RF filter adapter and my main lens (if i dont use RF) are 28-135mm IS USM and a macro lens, which the 150-600 would fit very nice to.
But i also just dont like the "airpump" design. It even annoys me that much on the RF 800 F11 that i often just keep it long. Damn, even in my Backpack for up to 17" notebooks the RF 800 with EOS RP (!!!) fits easily but with extended RF 800! The less im pumping air by moving it, the less dust (or worse) i collect inside.
If i could afford and justify for a hobby, i would take the RF 100-500L, for wildlife with 2x or 1,4x converter.
Tested it for some minutes and i was blown away. At first i tested the RF 800 F11 which i bought... then the seller allowed me to test the replacement for his 800 lens... the 100-500L + 2x TC, and WOW! The AF is really good at the RF 800, but the 100-500 is LIGHTNING FAST and barely misses even on my RP. Image Quality is miles ahead without TC (extremely sharp for a zoom lens!) and with 2x TC at least as good as the RF 800.
But considering this combination cost nearly 6x as much as the RF 800 F11... well no question, especially the weight and size of the 100-500+2x is already not really "handheld" optimal anymore for more than 2 minutes, the RF 800 (+RP) gives me just endless smiles when im hiking in the green searching for a good chance and enjoying the nature.
Thanks for sharing your experience, Cheers, Duade
I have a Sigma 150-600 combined with a Canon 200D II. I've pre-ordered a R7 and waiting for it. Thank you for the detailed review. While I understand the limitations, I think it'll still be a significant upgrade and I hope to get few good shots from this combination.
Completely agree Rahul, you will take many wonderful shots with that setup. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Thanks! Just that the waiting is agonizing..
@@rahul.k.viswanath so how it is? Do you make nice shots?
@@lucas59190 Yes. It's been great. I've been getting good shots with a few hunting for focus. I even made some of the changes that Duade suggested and things have improved.
@@rahul.k.viswanath amazing bro, I think about getting one too for fun, I live animals and I live close to the most beautiful forest of my country
Great review! Beautiful scene with some amazing landscape photos. The Eastern Spinebill, lost a toe(lol) but still gorgeous... the colours are amazing. Wonderful video Duade, cheers!
Thanks Jordan, yes, I did notice that also. Cheers, Duade
Thanks for your videos, Canon is closing third parties RF production, example Viltrox, my guess is that the Sigma autofocus issue is not a simple protocol malfunction, is a market operation. I was planing to buy R7 +Sigma 150-600 to replace my SX70HS, but change to R10 +old FD 70-200 zoom because of that, a cheaper camera while the market reject Canon policy
Thanks Juan, yes, that is annoying for sure, good luck with your kit, Cheers, Duade
Not even two minutes in and you sold me!
Another great video, thanks Duade.
Thanks, it is my pleasure ,Cheers, Duade
Thanks for the review mate. I am in New Zealand, and currently running a 5d mkII with sigma 150-600mm. I have been seriously considering buying an R7 for planespotting but will consider now other lenses too. The purchase goes from $2k up to $5-6k now .... ha ha. Thanks again for your content. And the sunrise was outstanding. Also, I learnt that Australia actually can get cold. I thought you were always hot like Thailand. Cheers, Daniel
Great video mate, seems like the R7 has a bit of that inconsistency & the sigma had it already, so the two combined are not the best friends 😉
Thanks mate, I agree, the combo has issues but frustratingly you still get very nice shots. So hard to know exactly what the best lens is outside the RF100-500. Cheers, Duade
This weekend I experienced what appeared to be pulsing with a EF lens and Canon adapter on my R7.
Lens is a CANON EF 70-200MM F2.8 USM MK III. Seemed to only happen around 150mm or below.
Thanks for sharing Bruce, I appreciate it, the pulsing can be annoying, Cheers, Duade
Looks like it's not as sharp as Canon RF100-500. But your videos are always refreshing!
Great review as always!! R7 works very well with R100-400mm and R1.4 or R2 teleconverter. This could be an inexpensive option. I notice a slight loss of contrast with R2, and the shutter speed would be a problem in low light for BIF. I prefer this lens to R100-500mm due to weight and being able to work across the zoom range during travel. Perhaps, sigma ef 100-400mm C with a 1.4x could be an option also. I do not remember I have an issue with the focus with R5. Unfortunately, I could not verify it with the new R7 since I gave it away. It does not work with 2x (generic teleconverter) and R5 for sure.
Thanks for sharing your experience with the R7 and 100-400, I will be sure to use that combo soon. Cheers, Duade
Wait, does that mean that the crop sensor (1.6x) plus the converter (1.4x) make any lens go 2x its range? So the 100-400mm reaches 200-800mm?
@@vinjass Your focal length becomes 140-560mm with the 1.4, you then times that by the crop factor of 1.6 which gives you a field of view of 224-896. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Oh wow that's even better!! I'm gonna get that combo, sounds really awesome, thanks!
@@vinjass the 100-400 will be f8 at the long end, so with a 1.4TC you'll be at f11 wide open
Thanks for convincing me to go with the R5, as in the UK low light is a common hazard we get used to, when taking bird photos (apart from this crazy summer) and it sounds like the R7 is just not consistent enough for me. Time for the financial plunge!
Congrats Nick, it is a wonderful camera and one of Canons biggest successes, it should perform very well in your lovely UK weather ;-) Cheers, Duade
You think that was a spectacular sunrise. Well, for a really spectacular one you need more clouds. In Danmark we don't have as many spectacular bird species as you do in Australia, but our sunrises and sunsets are often better.
It's a bit like we don't have oranges or peaches (except imported), but our home grown apples have much more taste.
Thanks Lau, yes, that was the only thing missing, it was wonderful to see. Cheers, Duade
Your videos are always informative. And I really like how you show the original file then the crop and processed file overlay. While I am not in the market for the gear in this video, I think your presentation and testing are spot on and should help folks that are on the fence about making an informed decision. Keep up the excellent work!
Thanks Thomas, I appreciate the feedback, Cheers, Duade
I have this combo and have the same pulsing problem with which I can live with. The alternativ is the expensive 100-500 RF. My wive says, no, wait till Sigma or Tamron has a cheaper lens for this camera. Looking forward to your great reviews.
Thanks Wolfgang, yeah it happens but does not stop you getting nice shots which is great. I am sure they will figure out the RF mount soon enough. Cheers, Duade
It will be really wonderful if tamron and Sigma comes up with some RF mount lens soon.
Totally agree, fingers crossed, Cheers, Duade
Greetings from Brazil! Great video!
Greetings from Australia, Cheers, Duade
Thank you very much again for this video. I have this combo too and like it so much. Some shots are not 100% sharp here too but most of them are great. Hello from UK.
Thanks for sharing your experience, that is great to hear, Cheers, Duade
I have the R6 and just bought the RF 600mm f/11 lens and I am getting great results for what is a fairly cheap lens. Love watching your videos and keep up the great work.
Thanks Paul, I may have to pick up that lens and give it a go, Cheers, Duade
I moved from 7Dmkii to R6 even after being made aware of the focus pulse issue by one of your earlier videos. I think the pulse issue is beaten by the better sensor and quicker focusing. Yes I get soft shots as you say will happen but I think I'm getting more keepers and they are a better quality than what I got with the 7Dmkii. I have an RF50 , RF100 and a RF 24-105 and these are a real pleasure to use. Another great vid thank you. This Brit turned green with envy at that sunrise
Thanks, yes, I think you are right, for its price you will get lots of keepers and you will likely end up with more shots on the R7 then on the 90D say. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade thanks very much - i think you helped me understand why shooting with my new R7 and EF adaptor using a Canon EF 50 mm lens was very frustrated - now I understand the PULSING issue! . thanks1 Hanani
Excellent Duade another great video. I’m currently running a Sigma 150 to 500 through a recently purchased secondhand Canon 5DSR. I look forward to your videos every week. All the best
Thanks Magoo, I appreciate the support, Cheers, Duade
I have that lense on a 77D very happy with it.thanks for this video.
Thanks, yes, a great lens for sure, Cheers, Duade
Wow, thanks for the heads up. That is my go to lens for wildlife/bird photography and I did not know there was issues with part of the compatiblility. Definitely something to consider and may make me hold onto my 7D Mark II for a bit. Thanks Duade
Thanks John, It still works and takes nice shots, just something to be aware of. Cheers, Duade
Been waiting all weekend for this one lol 😅
Sorry I made you wait so long, was supposed to be last night but had some technical hiccups. Cheers, Duade
I been using R5 + Sigma 150-600mm and was wondering why I was having issues with the focus. I already owned the Sigma before buying the camera so its not a big deal but now I really look forward to getting a Canon L series lens. Thanks Duade👍
It is my pleasure, you can still get nice shots, its just the AF gets confused at times. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade I still get some good photos. I should add that I was just happy to hear that it is from the lens and not the camera.🙂 I was almost starting to dought my R5 purchase.
The speed and accuracy of autofocusing using the 100-500 on the R5 is on another level.
also for landscape u dont need high burst shots
Thanks, yes, I could have put a delayed timer on upon reflection. Cheers, Duade
I shoot with R5 and this lens. While indeed you see this pulsing you can still take great pictures with it even using eye EF servo tracking. Waiting for RF price and range and quality equivalent.
Thanks Rafal, yes, that is what makes it so tough for me to recommend. You can get nice shots but just have to make peace with the soft shots. For its price it is still great value. Cheers, Duade
Really looking forward to a video of best lens for the r7 👍🏻
Thanks Gary, working on it now, Cheers, Duade
Great video with some amazing shots mate. I don't use the Sigma myself, but it was interesting to see the struggle it had with the autofocus.
Cheers, Bjoern
Thanks mate, yes it was fun but it struggled at times. Cheers, Duade
Most interesting, thank you!
It is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
I have the R7 on pre order for wildlife. So I'm really interested in your upcoming video. Budget alternatives to the Sigma 150-600 would be really interesting, the Sigma was going to be my first choice.
Thanks Phil, yes there are a few lenses available, my next video has a few options, Cheers, Duade
If you were not a photographer, you would probably not have been in that spot at that time to enjoy that beautiful morning. Cheers mate.
Great point, it was a wonderful morning to be alive that is for sure. Cheers, Duade
I would like to point out that this pulsing issue is not unique to Sigma 150-600C or other adapted EF lenses. I just tested my R6 with native RF 50 f1.8 and adapted Sigma EF 105 f2.8. Both lenses have quite loud focus motors so the pulsing can be easily heard. And both lenses exhibit similar degrees of pulsing, more obvious at close distances like you mentioned. And taking photos while keeping continuous AF engaged resulted in shifting focus between the shoots, or in your words, soft shoots in between sharp ones.
I believe this issue is inherent to the autofocus algorithm. Basically, the camera is doing contrast detection here. The lenses that can respond faster to the demand from camera body will be better at "hidding" the pulsing phenomenon, as they pulse faster, with smaller amplitude, thus less noticeable. But even the expensive RF L lenses are probably not completely "pulsing free". Though, I have never tested those expensive ones, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Thanks Liang, I suspect you are right and some lenses are more impacted by this then others. When I do the test with the RF100-500 or RF100-400 I cannot see the pulsing to the naked eye but the RF800 f11 does appear to suffer from the sharp soft sharp phenomenon I am experiencing. So it is likely the closer you get the worse it is and perhaps the type of AF motor or speed between the lens and the camera has an influence. Also of interest is the R7 appears to be worse than the R5/R6 in the inconsistent focus which may be related to a slower AF system in the R7 which exacerbates the issue? Thanks for your comment, an interesting topic for sure, Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Hey Daude, I did some follow-up tests, and here are my finds.
I have set my R6 and RF 50 1.8 completely still, towards a stationary target, then engage continuous AF. Then there is some chance that the pulsing would occur, even though nothing is moving. I have not yet figured out what factors could cause the pulsing, seems to be related to the distance. If I hand hold the R6, then there is always pulsing, no matter how hard I tried to be steady.
However, then I repeated the test with my Nikon D500 DSLR and Nikon AFS 85 1.8 lens, and I found no pulsing behavior when both camera and target are stationary. There is even no pulsing when I hand hold the camera and try to be still (no large movement).
Have you tested any high-end Canon EF prime lenses adapted to RF mount?
@@liangzhao9378 Thanks Liang, it has to be down to the Servo mode on the mirorrless cameras and how the tracking works, like you mentioned those constant messages between camera and lens no doubt get confused at times causing the pulsing. Thanks again, Cheers, DUade
Will wait to see canon r7 with canon 400 F5.6
Another week and I hope to have a video. Cheers, Duade
Thank you so much for sharing.
It is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
Thanks
Thanks Barry, I really appreciate it, Cheers, Duade
Thanks for this video Duade you have given me something to think about. I currently use the Sigma 150-600 with my 90D and am very happy with this combo, but have been thinking about the R7 as an upgrade although I am not going to rush this decision . Always look forward to your videos.
Thanks William, it still works well but is just something to be aware of, Cheers, Duade
Duade, I think the pulsing is intentional, so people buy a Canon lens. I made a TH-cam video when I was looking for something sharper than my Sigma 50-500 on my R6. I wanted the RF 100-500 but looked at the EF100-400L ii but there was little difference so I bought a Sigma 120-300 f2.8. On the 5D4 with a 2x the results were fantastic. As I wanted animal eye focus tracking and more pixels I bought an R5, I haven't had a sharp image since. Even without an extender the images are much sharper from the 5D4, so my next video with be an in depth into that.
Thanks for sharing, that is interesting the Sigma is having issues on your R6. It does appear the third party lenses do struggle a bit more than Canon lenses on mirrorless. Cheers, Duade
I can't believe there is water in the Winton Wetlands. When I was there it was bone dry. Loads of birds though.
Thanks Tracie, plenty of water in there at the moment, Cheers, Duade
Heard that Sigma 150-600mm has a problem with autofocus when used with R7, mate. Always love your video, cheers!
You can still get good shots, you will just have some AF issues from time to time. Cheers, Duade
Yes it has some issues but it is still a good deal for a 600mm zoom for under 1k
Excellent video, great pictures as always. Thanks a lot for taking the time to review this lens with the R7. Hope I can come to Australia one day, your vids are amazing at showing how much great fauna you guys have!
I have been extremely happy with my R7 + sigma 150 600. The focus issues only come up in rare scenarios, and even when they do, you can almost always manage to get a couple shots in focus in a burst. But it's something that potential buyers need to know and consider if they're thinking of getting this lens for a mirrorless.
As for me I'll hang on to the Sigma until an RF version gets released. I could never justify the price of the RF 100 500 considering how great the Sigma is for the price, and I think any of the cheaper Canon lenses would be a downgrade in one way or another (reach for the 100-400 or light/MFD/range for the 800 f11). As annoying as the AF quirks can sometimes be it's far from a deal breaker for me. Cheers
Thanks Simon, I really appreciate hearing from people who are using this combo long term. I think you are right in that the benefits outweigh the AF issues and like you say you still get lots of nice shots as I did in the video. Thanks again and I will mention this in a future video for lenses to consider. Cheers, Duade
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hi' love your work iv, e just invested in a sigma 15-600 lens for a canon second hand in good nick as well lens arrivals Monday ,ty
Good luck with it when it arrives David, a great value lens. Be sure to stop down to f8 if you have the light when shooting at 600mm. Cheers, Duade
Thanks a lot for this test! But I think the question is not so much whether you should buy this lens for the R7. It's more a question of whether you should buy the R7 for this lens. I suspect that most of the requests have come from DSLR owners who (like me) already own the Sigma 150-600 and wonder if the R7 will suit it. I already knew I won't buy the R7, but many were probably in doubt. Investing in a new camera is one thing. Investing in a new camera AND a new lens is quite another thing.
Thanks Lau, it still works well and for its price I think it still makes a good combo. Just being aware of the limitations is a good thing so people can take more photos to increase the keepers. Cheers, Duade
Enjoying from Germany, Dude
Thanks Gilson, great to hear, Cheers, Duade
Yessss thank you for this video!
It is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
And just like that, I became a Landscape Photographer. LOL
Thanks Andrew, I wish lol. Cheers, Duade
Amazing video as usual Duade. So lovely to hear from you. Do you know somehow if the sport version of the 150-600 is also having the same issue when it comes to tracking. I bet there's only canon options that only fully support this tracking method yet. Still, very expensives lenses we all love Sigma for it's incredible price and quality. Shame it doesn't work fully.
Thanks John, I have not tested the Sport but I suspect it has similar issues, it is a shame the Sigma lenses have this issue. Lets hope they figure out the RF system soon. Cheers, Duade
Thanks!
Thank you, I appreciate the ongoing support, Cheers, Duade
I'll never get used to the fact that Australia can be cold.. when I see your videos I always feel sweaty thinking "oh he's wearing so much clothes while it must be 30°+ out there.. but nah it's 2 freaking degrees haha
We are supposed to be -5c tomorrow which is very cold. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade but no snow?
@@Andrei8pa3 Up in the mountains it snows but we are around 200m above sea level, so snow does not get down this low here. Cheers, Duade
Thank you Duade for this beautiful video with this magnificent light at the beginning of the video and this sublime landscape! I was thinking of buying the R7 equipped with my Sigma 150-600 and using my 90D as a second camera but I'll wait... Sigma hasn't made any updates since 2019 on this lens I can understand with Canon refusing to open its RF mount to third parties ... and still no RF150-600 or 200-600 or even 200-500 IS USM at 1500 - 2000 (euros / dollars) as Nikon / Sony / Fuji do which in my opinion could sell for a lot amount ! So the R7 is only 1500 euros which is great but you have to couple it at least with the RF 100-500 which costs double to have an excellent combo...
Thanks Ludo, yes that is the dilemma at present in terms of lenses. The EF100-400 + 1.4 is also a worthy consideration but again nowhere near as affordable as the Sigma. I think many people will use the Sigma and be very happy, you still take plenty of sharp shots as I did, you just need to shoot in bursts to increase the odds of a keeper. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Thank you Duade ! all the best from France
As always, a great video and very informative. I have this lens and the 60-600, but accept the fact that they were not designed for new R-series MILCs. Hopefully, they will be able to come out with an RF version of these lenses. I will stick with the Rf 100-500 in the meantime. Thanks again, as always for you great presentations and common sense approach. Stunning landscapes at the start as well!!!
Thanks Trevor, do you notice any difference with the more recent 60-600? Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Well, I was shooting with the R5 and R6 and didn't notice the pulsing you were referring to with either lens, however I was shooting at some distance and that brought me to confirm with you something that I had wondered. You didn't SEEM to get significant pulsing at distance, but certainly it had an impact closer to your minimum focusing distance. Is that your experience?
@@trevor9934 Yes, that is my experience and maybe that why the motorbikes were much better, not sure why that might be. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Great, thanks for the confirmation! cheers: Trevor
I love your videos Duade you get right down to the point of how you take the photos and you do a good job of it when you were taking those photos in this episode I heard a lot of clicking so are you using the electronic shutter or the mechanical shutter see I now have an R7 myself I'm trying to bear with it BUT without a vertical grip I'm having a very hard time , but I'll have it for about a week I'll give it a try if it doesn't work ( I will send it back like so many others have ) then I'll go back to my 7D Mk II which I absolutely love , love to hear from you thank you Duade great videos
Gary, I use a mixture of mechanical and electronic with the R7, I find with very low SS and flighty subjects electronic is the way to go, however at higher SS and birds that aren't flighty I favour the mechanical shutter to avoid the rolling shutter. Good luck, Cheers, Duade
@@Duade thank you for the reply there Duade , thank you for the great videos .
Thank so much for your helpful video. The landscape photos you shot are amazing, you are really a great artist. The Sigma 150-600 ‘c’ is a good lens and best choice for beginner wildlife photographer. For focal length, not heavy, sharp and specially price. But its AF can not compare with other great zoom lenses.
Thanks, great thoughts and I agree, for its price it is hard to beat. Cheers, Duade
this review was highly informative and useful. Thank you very much for making this video. I was contemplating getting an R7 to use for wildlife in lieu of my 5D MKIII. Often I need more reach and the eye tracking seemed like it would be a game changer for getting more sharp shots in addition to higher resolution. Seeing that it often struggles to get focus has made me re-evaluate if this purchase makes sense.
The sigma lens is way more affordable for a hobbyist and unless I can find a canon lens in the same ballpark, I don't know that I'll be changing bodies or lenses.
I wonder when Sigma or Tamron are going to release this version for the R mount, it´s already out for the E Mount.
I really hope so, I think they have to reverse engineer it as Canon are not releasing the mount. Cheers, Duade
Thank you to make me Travel in your wonderful country with these beautiful animals ! 👍
PS : the mechanical shutter sound is just awful on the R7 !!! 😅
Thanks Laurent, it is a little loud isn't it, Cheers, Duade
SPOILER ALERT: Duade has received some settings (both on the lens and in camera) which seem to significantly reduce the pulsing. See Duade's YT on the R10 from September 11, or his reply to Sabyasachi about a week ago.
Even when I was not exactly interested in this combo, I still enjoyed watching it Duade !!
Thanks Werner, testing them out now, Cheers, DUade
@@Duade No surprise mate, I knew you wouldn't be happy until you tested that pulsing solution completely ;-)
I use the d7 Mark 2 with the Sigma 150-600mm C lens and I get lots of Awesome images however the hunting issue was also observed. Loving your concent keed it up.
Thanks Marcus, Cheers, Duade