Canon R7 | TRASH or TREASURE? | Full In The Field Review
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- I have been taking over 15 000 images with the new Canon EOS R7 in the last few weeks & have experienced some great moments & some struggles. So let's see how the R7 actually performs in the field!
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 R7 In The Field
0:20 First Impressions
1:45 Sensor & Rolling Shutter & Wobbles
2:47 Speed & Sound
3:33 EVF
4:40 Cards
5:06 The Buffer
5:55 Pre Capture RAW Burst
7:20 The Right Shutter Mode
7:48 Shutter Shock Issues
8:50 Battery
9:04 R7 & Adapted Lenses
9:41 Image Stabilisation
10:40 The Autofocus
11:37 Download RAW Files
12:15 ISO & Image Quality
13:27 Sample Images
14:37 ISO 12800 is actually ok!
15:06 Birds in Flight & Action!
16:39 What I love
17:19 Video
18:50 Final thoughts
19:53 Is the R7 for You?
Great review mate, you covered everything well and for its price it performs very well. Cheers, Duade
Great review Jan, very comprehensive, honest and informative.
Bird shooter here got my R7 yesterday (UK) Have been using a 7DII and never touched a mirrorless before, for me the R7 has been a revelation and a massive improvement on 7DII. Obviously its early days but I'm already thinking of selling my 7DII and EF telephoto lenses with a view to buying RF 100-500 ..... that's how quickly the R7 has changed my world!
EXACTLY what I did! I had a 7D MKII and a Sigma 150-600mm... trade the 7D MKII for a $550 discount and tried it with the Sigma. It didn't perform as well as I had hoped, so I traded it in on the 100-500mm.. .i LOVE it!!!
@@mattbrash great minds think alike Matt .... think I'm going to do what you did. Do you prefer the 100-500 tp the Sigma?
@@matthewbrookes8561 Duade Paton just came out with a R7 and sigma 150-600 review today on the issue of pulsing.
@@matthewbrookes8561 yes, the 100-500mm is much sharper to my eye and focuses better... fantastic lens!!!..... I'm VERY happy with the combo!.... which EF lenses do you have?
@@matthewbrookes8561 Why would you even do that when the Sigma has never been marketed for Mirrorless nor is it one ...... You would have greater chance of screwing your warranty if something went fubar .
I have the Sigma .. I wouldn't even use it with a mirrorless Camera .
Excellent review, Jan!
Hi Jan, great video as always with attention to details and very informative. I'm using the r7 with the rf 100 to 500 for about two weeks now and I'm very pleased with the performance of this combo. I find the ergonomics of the camera actually to be quite good. The two wheels are enough for me one set for shutters speed and one for the iso is all I need as the aperture is constant on 7.1
It works well for me. Remember no camera is perfect and no camera will perform perfectly in every situation. R5 paired with a 600 f4 will produce better images especially in low light conditions but having the r7 with the rf 100 to 500 as a light weight combo that you can handheld for hours and also having that nice 800mm focal length reach is definitely a wonderful option.
Great video. Thanks, Jan!
Awesome video like always, thanks for sharing all the useful information 👍👌
Excellent review, Jan.
Thank you for this review Jan.
Thank Jan. A very thorough review. I'm looking forward to playing with the RAW files. Cheers
Super Informative and practical review, much appreciated🙏
Outstanding review as always Jan. I would like to see more about the usuability of the electronic shutter for fast action for panning bird in flight shots. Also a separate video on on image quality compared to R5, specially using the files with DXO Pureraw and or Topaz Denoize to understand if there a significant advantage to R5 for files between ISO 800-3200. Thanks
It's just a fabulous series of videos you've done on this camera. You've been meticulous, and you've been fair. I held onto too many unrealistic expectations when I looked at it. Your perspective made me sort of shift what I think about it overall. A lot of people who just can't spring for the R5 will absolutley be able to get some nice shots out of it, and isn't that what it's all about in the end?
My compliments for being able to take such an even approach, and tell people what they really need to know to make their decisions.
Thanks for the review. Very thorough!
Good informative review. Thank you!
Great to see Jan. I appreciate your autofocus setting tips. Picked up my R7 yesterday. Sold my 5DIV and 100-400 mk 1 to get this
I have a R7 on pre-order, this is the most useful review I have seen for this camera. Can't wait to the email from the camera shop saying it's arrived. Thanks for this review.
Great balance in this review! Good work!
Glad you liked it!
Outstanding review. Thank you for making this.
My pleasure!
Thanks for your detail review and presentation. I received my preordered R7 two days ago and unboxed it while waiting for yours and Duane’s R7 detailed reviews before I will set things up. Thank you again.
Thanks for the review - I will be buying the R7 eventually as a B video cam to pair with my R3, and also as my leisure/crash cam that I will have less hesitation to take into harm’s way. I think video is the real killer application since it capitalizes on the AF and tracking introduced by the R3 while not having the buffer depth limitations come into play. Plus both R7 and R3 are essentially free of record limits and have multifunction hot shoes.
This video is packed with useful information. It is also the first video I've watched of yours and I've already subscribed because of this high density content.
Cheers! And thank you.
Awesome, thank you!
Thanks for this field review Jan. I agree with all that you've said. I've had my R7 since June 23rd but have only taken about 600 shots. The "good" birds to photograph are few and far between right now at the Jersey Shore, USA. I'm using it with the RF 100-500mm. I also have an R5. I purchased Topaz DeNoise after seeing Duade's use of it. Overall, I am happy with my R7. Once I got past the expectations, as you said (future camera hopefully), for the money, it's a fine camera.
Nice review will provide my thoughts once I get the camera, take care!!
Thanks Jan.. Im waiting for my R7. I will be watching for your final settings when I receive delivery. Picked up many pointers for my R5 from you and will be looking forward for more tips. All the rumors about this camera has fueled my fire, have hand problems so the grip seems like it will help as well as the rear button arrangement. Thanks for your advice!!
Wow. That was a very rapid fire description of the R7. I’ll definitely have to watch this one a few more times to get it all. Thanks for the info!
Really helpful, thanks!!
Thank you so much Jan for the very detailed and informative review of R7! Very informative and helpful for me! God bless you and good luck!
Glad it was helpful!
nice review as always.
Thanks Jan for this great review! For me all together the R7 seems to be a very capable camera that will handle every situation well as long as you don't go to the extremes.
For me it's no surprise that the full frame competitors work better at low light - that's to be expected as it is simple physics :)
I also don't think it's correct that the camera is always said to be a "sports and wildlife camera". In my opinion it's a perfect allround camera which also will produce great results as a travel camera, for landscapes, and all other purposes.
I don't understand all these guys complaining "the R3/R5 is better". Of course this is true but look at the price difference! You can buy three R7s for one R3!
I'm looking forward to get my new R7.
Yeah! 6,000 dollars, 4,000 dollars or 1,500 dollars!!
Extremes? You mean a bit of dust or rain? After all, it hasn't got proper weather proffing. Which is a bit dumb for a wildlife camera but then there are plenty of people who don't do their research so I am sure plenty will sell.
@@doghouseriley4732 Wym? It says that it's weather proofed everywhere.
@@doghouseriley4732 You are massively incorrect, It actually has weather sealing throughout the whole camera.... Therefore your statement is void, Good day mate.
Thanks for this great review. I already saw a lot of reviews of the R7, but your video was the one with the best information for me.
Awesome! Thank you!
Big thanks for that video!!!!
Canon just shipped my R7 yesterday. Looking forward to testing it myself next week.
Great review, thank for the work. Some people's comments though......
- Struggles in low light ? Well, its an APS-C so yeah. My 7D2 struggled in low light too. Since we are comparing things to the 7D2.....
- I'm glad to hear your comments about the EVF. Lots of griping about that before the cameras release. As if your photo quality is generated by the EVF........It's a "view finder". It finds the view..
- I'm happy it has 2 SD cards. I always hated how canon mixes card types in 2-card slot cameras. If canon had put in 2 CFXB cards, people would be complaining they have to buy the more expensive cards........
- Buffer is small. The camera is US$1500. Were you expecting an R3 ? Like Jan said, use CRAW, you get some extra frames and no one will look at your photos and say "i don't like it, you shot that in CRAW". I shoot airshows, 30 FPS for a second or two on a $1500 camera is like a dream. Even at 15FPS, it beats my 7D2. Since we're comparing everything to the 7D2.
- No battery grip. At first that really disappointed me. Then i remembered i carry 6 spare batteries in my bag now anyway. I can also place the R7 in my gear bag short-side down and now i have room for one more lens. Much more travel-friendly than my bulky, yet amazing, 7D2.
- Trying to decide between the R3, R5 and R7 ?? 3 cameras with very different prices.Its not even a sensical comparison. If you have R3 money, you aren't seriously considering the R7 anyway.
- I love my 7D2. Love it. What it wasn't though, is this mythical super-performer some people make it out to be.
In summary, go ahead and cancel all those pre-orders. It just means i'll get mine faster.
Best comment I've seen!
Excellent video, thanks
after watching many videos on the R7 yours was by far the best, and backed up what you were talking about with images and explanations. Very well done. You have helped me make my decision that I think the r7 will work just fine for me. thank you.
Awesome, thank you!
Thanks for the great review Jan. I currently use a 90D and have an R7 on order. I was a little concerned about the R7, but this has made me feel more comfortable about the change.
You will be happy with it. The AF and video features on the mirrorless bodies are quite a step up.
Excellent!!!
Thank you 🙏
I managed to borrow an R7 over the weekend, I too experienced what I could describe as "hunting" on the AF, more pronounced in low light/less bright len's as you mention. I would say hit rate for sharp images is around 25 to 33% in these conditions (but of course my poor light may vary to anyone else's), using tracking AF (Spot AF hit rate seems to be a lot higher). On the face of it, disappointing/frustrating, however, those that are sharp ...oh my word ...what wonderful images....so the real issue here is how to manage and cull so many images efficiently whilst in the field (using the camera to do this isn't going too work too well). I tried out the video FHD - slo mo function, using the lower end 100 to 400 RF on a bee hunting for pollen on a Verbena zoomed well in, I don't do much video ordinarily. the result was fantastic, and I believe eye AF seems to work here. So yes, some areas to disappoint, but with huge potential to produce superb images.
I got some fantastic shot with the R7 and the RF 800mm f11 in good light as well as low light portrait shot with a shutter speed of 1/200 seconds handheld. I love that a can handhold this combo forever in any shooting position, especially at ground level to get eye level with your subject and creating background separation! 😊💕
Thank you so much … this was the perfect video for me concerning the R7. It is time to switch from Fuji to Canon.
Great review! Have been using the 7DII since they came out. Almost got the R6 last year when it was looking like no crop body was coming up. Glad I waited and now have an R7 on order. Looking forward to the mirrorless crop body.
I was in the same boat as you. Was about to order the R6 but then pre orders opened for the R7. I miss the buttons and the battery grip but the eye AF is perfect to capture the kids now. Even the kit lens is good fun. Adapts EF perfectly. I’m just waiting for the 17-55 successor and maybe a super zoom faster than the 100-500
Thanks for another great video. I think you've covered the R7 very well - it's a camera of compromises but honestly, what else can we expect at that price?! I use it as a backup/second body with my 5DIV (I'll replace that with a full frame mirrorless main body eventually) and I've spent the first couple of weeks setting it up how I like to use it, and also adapting my shooting techniques to deal with those compromises. So far, it's performed superbly in most situations and I'm growing to really like it. As for Adobe software and Canon RAW files - I agree that Adobe does some horrible things to the files. It's mostly down to too much contrast (and saturation) in the profiles that Adobe offers (including their Canon profiles). For years now, I've been building my own linear camera profiles for all my cameras and it really works. It's one of the first things I do whenever I get a camera - build a linear profile. For example, the R7 files are far cleaner when I apply a linear profile to them. Linear profiles do involve a bit more work in Lightroom to rebuild the contrast and saturation, but they mean you have full control over how far you want to go. I get much more pleasing final results this way that by using any of the profiles that come with Lightroom/ACR.
Superb video. Many of us are still waiting in the UK for the camera to arrive here and there are still very large waiting lists for it here...even Canon UK have no idea when these cameras will arrive
Thanks for the hint to use DPP for the RAWs! I think many people believe the R7 has poor high iso performance because they only use lightroom and/or photoshop.
You are the first, as far as I know, who mentions shutter-shock. And you are absolutely right!
I recognized it with the adapted Canon 15-85mm @15mm with slow (mechanical!) shutter speed. All pictures were unusable. At first I thought it was only a problem with this specific adapted lens. After testing I found out the problem is definitely shutter-shock and not the lens.
Overall electr. 1. curtain shutter and cRAW works quite well for me.
Hi Jan, such a great review, giving heaps of info, congratulations! I am using my R7 in combination with my old but trusted EF300L f2.8 IS lens. With my previous camera 5DMk IV I used 1.4 all the time with this lens, now I find out i don't need an extender in most situations. I was in panic mode a little bit when receiving my R7 and testing it. My stabilization on the mentioned lens was working all the time. By researching a little bit I find out that many people have similar problems when pairing older EF telephoto with mirrorless cameras. By experimenting, I learn that I have to switch off IS on the lens when not using it, and that sorted my problem. It is one more button to touch but having this kind of glass on my camera is priceless. Here in Victoria is miserable weather lately and I can't wait to go out in the rainforest to test my R7 on a Lyrebirds. I am hoping to get great results with this combination despite the very low light out there in Dandenong Ranges. Great job mate! Cheers
With all EF and Rf lenses on mirrorless cameras, the stabilisation always runs. Not really a problem, just the design of the cameras with the evf. I let it run
Think you, good and reliable report as always. I think, for this price point it’s unbeatible. I ordered one to retire my RP for escursions with few weight. I eagerly await it.
So if you use Electronic shutter, you get rolling shutter and buffer issues; and if you use Mechanical, then you get a loud shutter noise, shutter shock and lose the pre-capture feature, eh? Oh, for Pete's sake. Thanks for pointing all this out.
That sums it up hehe
You are gonna have Rolling shutter also in the R5 or any other camera without an stacked sensor. Those which typically start at 8000 Eur.
Not so long ago, a couple of years actually, everybody was happy with 7-8 fps. Have the birds become so much faster lately, that now not having more than 1s at 30 fps is an issue?
Really nice review of the camera. Though I still miss out a real comparison between the 7Dii and the R7, that for me is the more natural step.
Also interesting to hear that a lot of ppl made the expectations that R7 should be a R5 with crop sensor? For me it was clearly that it would be a mirrorless 7D, since R5 is a mirrorless 5D and the R6 is a mirrorless 6D...
Great review! The one I’ve been waiting for! No BS. I think this would be a great camera for someone that is stepping up from either the Rebel or xxD series of cameras. Lot’s to love here. Personally the things that concern me is the lack of a third wheel and the buffer rate. I think Canon hit a sweet spot for a lot of folks, but as a stand alone wildlife and sports camera it needs to check a few more boxes.
"Personally the things that concern me is the lack of a third wheel and the buffer rate"?
Sorry BUT this camera is made for the beginner/serious hobbyist so "bogus Professionals" are criticising this camera UNFAIRLY & UNECESSARILY.
A hobbyist would have set the ISO to AutoISO (with a max limit to guarantee no noise) and shoot in JPEG or CRAW ( compressed RAW) so there is no need of a third wheel or problem with buffer.
"bogus Professionals" talk complains about problem with low light because they set their ISO as if it was based on film grain size and then wrongly "quarrel with their tools" like a bad workman.
Would a professional BAKER buy an Consumer automatic bread maker and then wear a t-shirt saying "I only kneed dough with this bead maker" instead of letting the Automatic machine finish the bread or cake without needing to subscribe to expensive Abobe "Oven".
The R7 has low light multiple exposure HDR built-in. Has multiple exposure highISO noise reduction built-in. Yes "bogus professionals" can't use those bacause they stupidly wear a t-shirt saying "I shoot raw".
How do I know that the R7 is not for professionals? There is a SCN mode and no battery grip since hobbyist won't pay $800 for a Canon OEM battery grip anyway.
Hi,I have an R3 and R5 and do a lot of sport so I got the R7 as a back up because the specs looked good, my opinion is similar to yours and if you are coming from a 7dii or 90d it is definitely an upgrade, but the shutter sound is not pleasant and auto focus no where near as accurate or fast as R3 but at its price point it is a phenomenal camera and the crop factor helps for both sport and wildlife. After using it for a few matches I will keep it for wildlife and use my 1dxii as backup to the R3,but it is still a great camera for the money.
Jan, great recap of the pros and cons of the R7 in the real world. Coming from the 7d ii, there is no comparison - this camera is a
amazing. Even my EF 100-100l ii with a 1.4 extender works far better than on my 7D ii. I agree the ergonomic change takes some getting used to, but generally works pretty well. I’ve noticed the noise in Lightroom, using Topaz Denoise gives me a very clean file. I hope Adobe improve noise handling, because running the files through DPP seems a bit slow ( it may be me, as ai don’t generally use it) and Topaz Denoise files are pretty large.
Dxo pureraw2 is also a good alternative
Great, this is exactly what I was looking for. Still no one have done a real comparison between the 7D ii and R7! So if the ISO and image quality is better then the 7D ii it's just the handling and autofocus left to compare, and hearing this is really what I needed :)
Tnx!
I guess going from a 1200D to the R7 is a massive jump, and one which I’ll be very happy with. I’ve decided I’m going to have to try to start selling some of my portrait bird images in order to earn some money to buy the RF lenses and maybe eventually a full frame R5 to cope with low light. I’ll wait till the Black Friday sales to obtain the most for my limited money. Thanks so much for the reviews to date on this camera and I look forward to more from you Jan. Much appreciated. Enjoy your day. 😀
I've found the R6 handles low light better than the R5 if you want to save some money! Less megapixels but you'd have to be printing HUGE to notice a quality drop off. Something to think about I guess :)
I'm coming from a 1300d. Buying the R7 soon along with the sigma 150-600. I know the professionals are complaining about a few things but for us this is like upgrading from a Cessna to a f22 raptor. Did you manage to buy one and if so how are you liking it compared to the 1200d.
Great review Jan! Just a small correction, the EOS M6 Mark II was Canon's first camera to feature a raw burst mode with half a second of precapture.
Thanks for the info!
The TH-cam content creators seem to be deliberately forgetting the whole M series, as no one mentions them when reviewing R7 or other R series cameras. They talk about R7 being Canon's first crop-sensor mirrorless camera. Makes me think they have been paid by Canon to dig the M series into the graveyard.
I will be renting an R7, and an 800mm F11, hoping to better inform my online friend about the features. I did the same for the R5 and instantly fell in love with it. Canon finally got this long time Nikon shooter to switch.
Thanks again for sharing your helpful advice on R7. I waited for your deep review of R7. I have been using R6 with some RF lenses. I guess it would be nice to buy R7 for a second camera of R6.
Really like my R7.... great camera for stills and 4k fine video. I've been using it with my canon rf 100-400mm f/5.6-8 lens and getting some really good results.
Thanks Jan, just what I was waiting for, I think this review has swayed be towards getting it. My dilemma is do I get rid of the R in trade or hang onto it (I have the R5 too) One question about DPP, do you process the RAW file completely in DPP then skip ACR and finish up the editing in PS. Thanks Jan for this real world review, much appreciated.
This video is one year old but i had to said thank you. Unfortunately my 70D is broken. I am a hobbyphotographer and shoot voluntarily for our firefighters, school but also two weddings in the last 2 years and so i look for a replacement. Struggle between R10 or R7.
Now this video brings me to the final think: R7. Thanks a lot from germany. Now i have to look for a R7. ;)
Jan, thank you for the extensive review. Particularly the differences with focussing and stabilisation between the R5/6 and R7 are good to know before investing in a new camera. Prime reason to switch from my DSLR 90D are the eye tracking stabilisation and performance in low-light conditions. I haven't made up my mind yet...
It will still be more stable with much better AF than 90D I’d think
I’m running the R7 alongside an R6. When shooting wildlife I’m shooting BIF 90% of the time. I did use the RF 800mm f11 with the R6 and it works well. I personally find that shooting that lens with the R7 is a little long for me for BIF at 1280mm. Works great for stationary birds. Lately I’ve actually been shooting mainly with the Canon 100-400 MKII and with the crop factor the 640mm is a sweet spot at a f5.6 aperture. On top of that the extra megapixels on the subject easily allows for up to a 200+% crop in post with a lot of detaiI should I need it. I don’t get that with my R6. The lens also works very well with the Canon 1.4xiii at f8 although I find it sharper at f10. So, in early morning and late in the day when I need a bright aperture I shoot at the effective 640mm wide open at f5.6. Midday I sometimes use the 1.4x. Nothing scientific but I feel that with the 32.5 megapixels I get better results cropping to 800mm in post. Very nice video Jan! Thank you.
Off topic but I finally got to use my R5 on birds at a state park. They set up a blind with feeders and water so it was quite active. The eye auto focus amazed me. And the IBIS and IS was also amazing. Shooting 500mm hand held and I neglected to bump up my shutter speed but still got crystal clear images of the birds feathers. It was my first experience of taking such clear images that got all the feature detail that I've gawked at in other's images for a some time.
I am still somewhat confused about the video mode. It appears as soon as the video is rolling, the buttons on the back become mute. For example, the back button focus or the eye focus button I have connected to the star (*) button do nothing at all if I have already started capturing video. Maybe I have something misconfigured. I with the auto focus in video mode more closely matched the auto focus in photo mode. And then when I pick up the R5C, it is yet a whole other game but that I can understand. That camera has a different target market.
Anyhow... I enjoy your videos. I am curious if you ever shot film. I came from film to digital back in 2002. So most of your comments about buffer filling up cause a gentle smile to come across my face. In the old days, you had 36 frames TOTAL! 😜
Oh!!! I did have one question / comment: my R5 frequently gets "stuck" focused at infinity and hitting the back button focus doesn't unstick it. For example if the bird is in the brush and the camera decides to focus on the brush in the back ground, I can't force it to focus on the bird. I believe I have the back button focus set up like you suggest. Currently, I have to adjust the focus manually and then re-focus with the back button. Do you have that issue? Do you have a work around to avoid it?
Lovely review of R7 and sharing details where it out performs. My Canon EOS R7 body is arriving next week :)
Are you planning to create a video where you share details of configuring the R7?
Thanks for upload...... Very nice video 👍🙂
Most welcome 😊
Great video and pertinent info thanks!! What is the buffer like when shooting high speed in JPEG?
Thanks for the detailed reviews, all of yours. I’m about to get one of the R’s but I’m totally struggling to make a decision between R3, R5 and R7. It’s exclusively for bifs, birds, wildlife and should fit that purpose best. I’m not a cropper and try to fill the frame as good as possible by trying to get as close as possible. Of course higher resolution has a lot of benefits if it comes to details. But the stacked BSI sensor of the R3 offers a lot of other benefits and as I see it, 24 megapixel are sufficient. If Sony had put a stacked 33 megapixel BSI sensor in the 7M4 instead of a not stacked, the decision would have been easy, because of the ideal megapixel count and of course the FE 200-600 5.6-6.3 G OSS, as I see it the probably best and most versatile lens for the purpose bifs, birds, wildlife at an awesome good price. It’s a pity, Canon and Nikon don’t have a competitive lens, because I’d preferred Canon for a lot of other reasons over Sony and even Nikon. What I hate is that flippy screen thing, prone to break off. The Z9 and Fuji on e.g. the X-T2, X-T3 and some GFX have the perfect solution, flip-out, also in portrait position, much more rugged, always in lens axis and I am always behind the camera, this “you can film yourself” argument is total nonsense on that tiny screens. The Camera Conspiracy channel is right, there is no such thing like the perfect camera…
For me, having the screen flip forward is extremely helpful when filming.
If you don't mind the pixel count, the R3 is by far the best camera.
Thanks, Jan for the great review! You seem to always provide insight that many other people don't. I have not purchased the R7 yet because I am hesitant to buy a camera that doesn't have a grip that I can purchase. Also, the small buffer seems like a "cripple hammer." I don't know the technical aspects of Canon cameras enough but it seems that they could solve the buffer issues by putting more effective "RAM" into the camera. This would solve the issue by writing to the RAM first which is much faster than a memory card. Then the camera could write to the card from the RAM. If this is how their cameras already work then they should put a larger amount of memory in the camera which would effectively increase the buffer. Although this might increase the price of the camera by $100-$200 it would be worth it. At any rate, thanks again for the great work!
Yes, it seems like an easy issue to fix if you wanted to
Great video, thank you.
Glad you liked it!
Very good overview. I hope you will eventually post a comparison of noise on the R7 as handled by DXO, DPP and Adobe. So far I have been surprised at the low noise all things considered at least when the exposures are good. I use DPP4 and Topaz but a lot of the difference is hard to see when images are not used for large prints. Perhaps it is a matter of expectations. You might also compare the image details from extenders rather than just cropping. Finding the subject quickly is hard enough with a 600 on full frame let alone a crop sensor with an extender.
Watching reviews this would be a huge upgrade for someone like me coming from a Canon T7.
Thanks for putting together this comprehensive review for us Jan! 👏🏻
Do you think Canon will ever make a more professional orientated crop sensor body?
They didn’t leave much room by naming this one R7
Good video Jan. You touched on virtually everything I could think of from my 2 weeks with the R7. Second camera to the R5. So far I'm more impressed than I thought I would be. Not just good value, good camera. Oddly enjoying the different layout as it is making me think a bit more about the picture taking. Fun at least for now. Mostly shoot in manual but some Av priority.
Thanks! It’s been a long time since we did a FaceTime and you showed me how to shoot birds in my backyard in San Diego. High time I bought you a beer again, since I always profit from your videos. My R7 arrives tomorrow and now I won’t expect it to be quite like my R5. Thanks.
Awesome! Enjoy it
Oh and thanks!
Happy I watched this. Torn between R6ii and the R7. I think the extra reach wins but I am a hobbyist so my livelihood won’t depend on it!
Excellent review. Just ordered mine from China as they no longer supply the UK, so really looking forward to it.
Good review, will be taking my R6 and R7 to Alaska this week and look forward to putting the R7 through its paces. Glad to hear that you are getting good shots with it. Also glad to hear your comparison of the electronic shutter to the mechanical. I expect that I will use electronic at 15 fps a lot as a good compromise between speed and buffer. I am one who is glad to have the imitation shutter sound in the R7, wish my R6 had it!
Your experience reflects mine. I took it to a local skateboard park to practice sports shooting in preparation for the American Football season this fall. The results were fantastic and I attribute any AF misses to me not pre-focusing properly before flipping my thumb to the button I have configured to subject tracking. Also, the 32 mpx is very handy to have along with the 1.6 crop relative to my R6. Having both on the sidelines will be a very good combination. I'll have no excuse if I miss a shot.
Hey Michael, how do you find the R6 plus R7 combo? I have an R6 and am looking at getting the R7 to replace my RP as second camera.
@@JarraxQ It has been great. To shoot American football I put the Canon 300 f 2.8L IS on the R7 and the 100-400 4.5-5.6 on the R6. This gives me excellent range from close up to well beyond the middle of the field. The layouts are slightly different but the menus are the same. Switching between them instantly is easy and better than what I was doing before: using the R6 with the 7DMII. The R7 has performed well in low light and I have no problem maxing it out at 6400. With R6 12800 works well and I have pushed it higher on occasion. With both strapped to my side I really have a lot of flexibility. Often I see people ask, full frame or crop sensor? I say both.
@@michaelatherton6055 Awesome feedback! Appreciate it. I think I will definitely look to grab an R7 as soon as I can!
Thank you Jan, you have covered a lot of the questions I have about the R7. I am now torn as I have one on order. I have a R5 and 100-500 and even with that combo I find that focusing in low light situations can sometimes be problematic. Here in the UK low light situations probably are more frequent than bold light scenarios. But the big question is will I be happy with the camera? My instinct is that I may be having to make too many compromises to get that crop factor extra reach.
Your balanced and detailed review has really helped.
Very good review! Thanks for the unbiased thoughts and suggestions. Several of your observations are similar to my own (I was lucky to get an R7 shortly after release), and also learned some new things. I bought it as a second body to my R5, and it’s definitely not the same caliber, but overall a really good camera and I plan to keep it. I love having the crop factor to get more reach, and the ergonomics are fine but I would prefer the same layout as my R5 just for convenience/muscle memory. I really wish they’d put a CFExpress card in it which would have fixed the buffer issue, and put a better EVF in it (I notice it switching between the R5 and it bothers me!). The autofocus is definitely not on par with the R5, which is funny to me since it’s supposed to have inherited the system from the R3! But I expect that will likely get better after a couple firmware updates. Probably the most noticeable difference is the weaker low light performance, but that’s not surprising compared to a full frame sensor. I think considering the price point, it’s an excellent camera, and if I didn’t own the R5 I would probably think it was absolutely flawless!
What I don't understand is how cheap smartphones handle low light much better than the R7 or any of the DSLR/mirrorless cameras. I know you're reply saying that a lot of processing is involved on smart phones. But then why doesn't Canon offer us the option to enable such processing??
Thanks for the in depth analysis. Your experience is much the same as mine so far. Technically the R7 is a great replacement for my 7D2's (never used a 90D looked inferior to the 7D2 to me ). My remaining concern is build quality, it will need to be treated with care, no way will tolerate the punishment in the field the 7D2 was subject to. I am with others, Canon please come up with a pro version.
super well done R7 review up close and in the field .. as for the R7 and some of its disappointments-- I believe it is mainly because of the anticipation of Canon replacing the 7dMkII with a mirrorless version in the R7.. so far from your video and other videos I've watched the R7 is a mirrorless version and just a step above the 90d.. at least for me this is where that disappointment factor plays out.. I have an R7 on backorder.. as do many others.. my goal was to upgrade to a 7DMkIII but obviously that can never happen- the camera that will never be.. I was hoping this R7 would be that alternative upgrade.... it looks more and more that I'll be staying with my 6DMkII and my 80d as a backup since the backorders do not appear to be getting fulfilled on a timely basis.. if I don't receive the R7 by mid-September I'll cancel it as we leave on a long 64 day cruise thru the Med until mid-November.. again thanx for doing such a great video
Good review Jan! Checking does R7 has GPS tracking or we need a accessory? Also have you tried the Wi-Fi upload?
14:49 geezz look at the details on the beak the cracks
If my backorder ever comes in I’ll let you know what I think of it have the RP right now.
Coming from a 90D I thought this was going to be the new camera for me. It’s not come off back order here in the UK yet, I’m considering cancelling the order now, I really liked the crop sensor, have some fantastic (favourite efs lenses) ibis, focus system is a big upgrade and I don’t tend to fire off long bursts so could work for me but I’m not convinced I’ll love it and learn & grow with it in the same way that I did with the 90D. I just feel like I “need” a body to connect my excellent Sigma 50-100mm art lens to and an R5/R6 sacrifices too many pixels for my liking in crop mode.
Jan, I have my brand new R7 and Canon 100-500 as an upgrade from Canon 90D and Sigma 150-600C. What a massive upgrade. I have Aperture set up on the ring on the camera shutter speed on the front wheel and ISO on the rear wheel.
I don't have or likely to have one of the big brothers R3,5 or 6.
I used the same setup with aperture on the ring. Came from the 80D and sigma and agree on the massive upgrade.
How are you finding it 3 months later? I am also moving from a 90D & Sigma 150-600C and encouraged to hear about the differences. I feel the eye AF features particularly will be a a pretty jaw dropping difference.
@@RB-rf8rf I love the camera, I have now set the rear wheel to exposure adjustment, but I am still getting the hang of that. The AF eye detect is fantastic upgrade from the 90D, but also the 100-500 lens has been brilliant. That lens will be a forever lens.. One of the early big criticisms about the R7 was that it only has 2 SD card slots and that the buffer will fill really quickly. I shoot in CRAW plus JPeg and rarely in electronic shutter mode because of potential rolling shutter issues. By shooting in bursts I have only maxed out the buffer a couple of times. So... in summary, very happy, I am sure the R6 and R5 are better cameras, but they are significantly more expensive and the crop sensor on the R7 gives me more reach and is what I am used to coming from a 90D. I love ❤️ it.
@@andrewkeir2282 Thanks for the reply, that's great to hear! Have you seen much of an issue with the supposed "shutter shock" when shooting in slower conditions? It looks like you can clean up noise so well these days that you could just bump ISO instead of reducing shutter speed where it would become an issue.
Hi Jan,
Your reviews are the best because you tell us the good bad and the ugly, all I know a new camera going to preform better than the Canon 300D. Yes its an old camera, There are two camera stores near me one Mom and Pop kind and one Chain. I like to Hold the camera to see if it feels comfortable. Thank you for all the work you do for us :)
Cheers Jan. Great review thanks. I really don’t know whether to keep my R7 or just be happy with the focal length of the R5/100-500 combo. Time will tell. The shutter noise is hideous but the electronic shutter has all the issues you speak of. I have a little hope in the back of my mind that Canon will release an “R7Pro”, with a new backlit sensor, bigger buffer and quieter shutter mechanism…..oh, and three wheels too 🤔🤔🤔. We can hope 😊
The shutter noise is abysmal! Like coin change dropping into a can. I'm with you on a pro version to get the missing specs we were all hoping for.
Don't hold your breath waiting for a pro version. I can't see that happening. It's Canon. They just give you enough to keep you hanging on and hoping....
Electric shutter is just fine , and I just turn the volume down ☺️
They better move it. The others are all over this. I have just seen the ef100-400 mk2 on a new X-H2S. It was awesome, 40fps, no rolling shutter, CF acrd slot and 120 RAW files shots before ou hit the buffer, no 30 shots like the R7. Weather sealed too!
@@doghouseriley4732 It's $1000 more. What do you expect?
Thanks for the review Jan. I was set to buy the R5 then the R7 was released. I currently have the 7D2. I love the crop of the 7D2 for wildlife, my primary subject, but sounds like the issues with the R7 may push me to the R5. I would love to see a review of the R5 in crop mode compared to the R7.
R5 is crop mode is just the camera cropping for you. So there's no real advantage to just shooting wide and cropping later
Great review. No R7 delivery yet. I already have R5. R7 will be with RF 100-500 especially hiking. I used 7D2 during good light. I would do the same withR7. I would use electronic shutter at 15 fps with cRaw so the buffer won’t get maxed out so quickly. It is not a pro body. More buffer, faster readout and CFexpress card mean higher price. That would be R6 territory. That is Canon strategy. I wish they had R1 available now.
Great review. I have the R6 and the R7 as a second body. I got it because of the crop factor. Love the tracking. I think it's better than on the R6, especially for birds in flight. I also enjoy the 32MP. When the image is crisp - and only then - you can crop a 1MP image with excellent quality to post on instagram, for example. A cropped image on the R5 is 17MP. 32MP is almost double. Shuttershock is a bit annoying, but I use the manual shutter mostly at 3200th/sec and then it does not matter as much. A faster readout speed would certainly help, but I am afraid then it would not be a $1500 camera.
Oh, I should add, my favorite walk-around combo is with the RF100-400 and a 1.4TC. it gives me 896mm equivalent at F11, and it weighs nothing. The RF100-500 is sharper, but not by much.
9:53 My hat off. He is so extraordinary!
OUTSTANDING TEACHER GREAT VALUE CONGRATULATIONS HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY
Thank you!
Thank you! I am getting ready to buy a mirrorless camera under 2400 for wildlife photography. I currently have a Canon 6D Mark ll and find it decent but a little slow for what I want. Of course using Canon lens are always better than knockoffs. If I could afford the R5 I would get it, but i really don't want to spend that much money.
12:53 DPP actually applies a lot of noise reduction to the files, even if you "turn off" the noise reduction. It applies a lot of color noise reduction (this reduces the color resolution). When Dpp needs to load parts of the image, one can actually see the true noise for a short time and then it is suddenly reduced.
Very interesting, thank you so much for this comment. I was worried I was going to have to change my workflow. LOL
@@PhilThach Though I noticed that converting the files with the Adobe dng converter leads to more noise (and probably worse signal to noise ratio) when opening the dng files in Affinity Photo (in comparison to Cr3 files in Affinity Photo) (but I guess this might be the case with all cameras and could be an incompatibility of Affinity Photo and the dng format, though I need to test whether other raw converters have the same issue).
In DPP, I always leave the default chrominance denoise setting as chosen by the camera. This removes the colour blotches.
The detail you refer to is the luminance detail. I set luminance denoise off for iso6400 and below, and half the camera luminance denoise for iso12800 ajd above - this presrves detail. The image 'perceived' detail is not in the chrominance channel.
Fyi, DPP also has superior lens correction profiles as compared to lightroom, and makes for sharper images. Ca is perfectly corrected in the way canon engineers intended.
ultimately, every software applies something, we never really see a true RAW file. Yet what matters the most is where we get the best final result
Second comments ... I usually shoot in Aperature or Manual. I change SS and ISO more than Aperature. I use aperature mainly for DoF . So I mayuse the lens contol ntrol ring for Aperature. The two main dials are then SS and ISO.
PS ....Using CRAW and 15FPS sounds a great way to achieve over 100 shots in the buffer ... thanks for the tip.
Changing aperture is pretty rare so I have it on the control ring like you said. Works great with ISO on the thumb wheel.
Great review, I have the R7 and coming from a 90D it feels like a massive upgrade especially with birds. My question is does the eye tracking work in slo-mo video?
@dan i have the same query?
I didn’t try it, since it’s only 1080p, but I would think it does
Very good video with a lot of situations well explained. Jan, what is the fastest CF Express type B cardto use with the R5 ?
Wise Advanced Pro (the silver cards)
Great review, Jan! Let's say: I'm interested in the R7. Maybe I'll waite for a R7II, because I like my 7dII and 5dIII. The buffer and the lack of a batterygrip are bad. The noise at ISO3200-6400 makes me hasitate because I need this for rock concerts and wildlife in the dawn.
I was under the impression, reading reviews at several sites, that even 6400 was decent.
I find the noise even at higher ISO very good
Hi! Fantastic review! Very helpful. I have one question. Is the shutter shock a problem at shutter speeds faster that 1/200s? When does it disappear? What setting should I avoid when I would like to avoid both rolling shutter AND shutter-shock?