BEWARE: Primer Scam Websites (How to Know)
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Unfortunately scammers are taking advantage of people desperate to buy reloading primers, powder, and other components. I wanted to give you all a quick heads-up on the situation, to let you know how to identify these malicious websites, and to know what to do if you've been taken advantage of.
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When Midway USA, brownells, midsouth, blue color reloading, Mile high shooting or scopelist do not have primers, the unknown sites aren’t going to have them either. Great video, thanks!!
Blue collar had small rifle when I went last week
blue collar doesn't ship hazmat
@@thastinger345 I’ve ordered lots of bullets from them. Hard to beat their prices. Elld’s are the same price there as they were before Covid.
Best tip ever. At the quantities Midway, Graf's and Brownell's buy, no one else is going to have the stuff. I was looking for some specific powder and found a web site that claimed they had it so I started to order 3 lbs. Then they said that they would not accept a credit card order for less than $150.....$33.09 per 1 lbs. can.
I just got cc long pistol from Midway today. Sign up for their notifications, they'll let you know when available
I saw several fake sites when searching for primers. Great price per brick, but had minimum order amount, $150 - $200, and would not accept credit cards. Glad you put this out Gavin! People need to know.
Last year I saw an ad on FB for SPP. They would only accept payment via PAY PAL friends and family. NO CC's. That was a dead scam in my book.
The prices Brownells, Nachez and Midway are charging are about two shades shy of a scam!
@@jaredmiller8740 Everglades ammo is much worse. One pound cans of powder for $60.
No, it is a scam
Dan Paesano you are right. Everglades is pathetic on powder prices
When primer manufactures start selling directly to us, this crap will stop.
its a shame even the real web sites are over charging for primers when they have them in stock
The most fool-proof method for spotting a fake website for primers is if they say they have primers in stock. Would be funnier if it werent so true right now.
Midway has small pistol right now but ... that's about it!
@@markgamblin1366 didnt see any small pistol on midway. All they have are bench rest small and large rifle
I keep it simple. If it’s not one of the big names like Powder Valley, Graf’s, Midsouth, Midway, or Natchez I’m not buying from them. I can wait.
One thing I’ve found is that if they have every powder, bullet, or primer in stock it’s a scam website.
I work in bank fraud and have for 6 years. Should you be had by these sites, call the company of the card you use and request a billing dispute, (do NOT say fraud or scam, this is KEY) state that you ordered products and have not been received, state the site appears to be fake an unable to contact merchants. If you say fraud or scam, you will go down a bad rabit hole.
That's the whole point - they aren't taking credit cards. Credit cards can result in charge backs.
The scammers are wanting to be paid via methods that don't give you any recourse.
99% of people set up the payment methods that scammers like, with their debit or credit cards, even if setting up as an ach payment it can be disputed.
@North_Florida_War_Room what sort of rabbit hole? Can you please explain?
@@aleisterbroley900 The first thing that happens is your card is canceled and new one with a new account number is sent out , so all and any auto payments have to be redone ! If you have auto payments to accounts you will have to make them individually and on time to avoid a late payment that will result in a report to the Credit Bureau and that will go on your credit report !
@@keithtodd8631 not even close keith, first things first, it is not fraud if you got scammed, fraud is defined by the bank as "unauthorized" meaning you did not pay someone, or use the card yourself or someone else WITH permission. Example is gas pump skim, stolen wallet and card used etc. Second, you do not have to redo automatic billing or autopayments when you do what is called a security closure. Mastercom (what we call the HQ for mastercard) and Visa have auto updates in the system. Meaning if you have auto insurance automatically paid via card 1, the insurance will be provided the new card info automatically per CC agreement. Setting up autobill is agreeing to those terms and conditions of auto update. And should you have the monthly payment autodrafted from your bank, that info also transfers over to the new card #, literally only thing that changes during a security closure is the card #, exp and cvv. That is it. Now, the rabbit hole that i mentioned that will happen should it be disputed as fraud is that the bank has every right to hold you liable for said charges claimed fraud because you fell for the scam and authorized the transfer of card info to the merchant or scammer. When disputed as fraud, we the bank send a chargeback to the merchant (be it venmo, paypal, brownells etc) stating that this charge is fraud and we want our money back. The merchant has 45 days to represent the charge as valid with supporting docs as to why it is valid. Example of one case i worked was the 20ish year old kid stole dads CC, and ordered a $3k sex doll and had numerous emails back and forth with the merchant, asked if the sex doll would carry the rona since it was being made in china. The merchant provided billing and shipping info, ip location for the computer used for the transaction, etc. If the docs sent are valid then the customer may be rebilled for the disputed charge. If that happens and it is determined the customer had a billing dispute not fraud dispute, then they just lost all rights to file a billing dispute per FTC. So they have to pay the charges because they did the wrong dispute. That is the rabbit hole
Hey Gavin, I was visiting a friend in Niagara Falls, Canada in August. Was able to buy 4000 premium primer (several sizes) for $46 per thousand. Also bought ten boxes of 9mm Brass bullets for $16/box. When I got back to the US border they asked what I had purchased. I told them. They asked if it was for person use on resale. Of course I said for personal use and they said no problem.
I'm tempted to take a trip up to Niagara falls some weekend.
@@tednielsen5271 great place to lose your firearms in a well documented boating accident also! I go once a year, have all the receipts too😂
@@billlee1724 lol
Thanks for putting this out Gavin, great as always!
Primer warehouse almost got me with this but luckily I thought it was weird and stayed away! Thanks for confirming my skepticism and informing the reloading community!
Yep! I’ve caught 3 so far today looking. I called 2 of them and got a “Textnow” voicemail
report every fake website you come across don't just stay away and forget about it because that scammer will might be running multiple fake websites if we don't report them they will keep steeling from people.
I ran into one of those websites while searching for primers. I ordered 6 bricks of CCI 34 primers but there was no way to pay that I could find. In about an hour I received an email from the company and they wanted me to pay by Zelle. I’d never heard of it but found my bank had what ever it is. That’s when I started thinking. How does this nobody have primers when the big companies don’t and why can’t I pay with my card. This sounds like a scam and there’s been a lot of that going around. I don’t remember the fake name of the company but I didn’t pay them anything, it was just to fishy.
I think Zelle is that nazi dude in the movie Marathon Man.
Thanks Gavin, I appreciate the heads up!
I have had pretty good luck with my local gun shop for components... Yeah you wait a little bit for stuff and it costs more, but your also supporting a local “brick and mortar” business in your community. (and you won’t get scammed)
I stumbled upon a gun store in the middle of no where in PA some years back when reloading stuff was hard to find; they had all kinds of stuff in stock so I stocked up on primers and powder. As times are tough again I figured I’d check them out and to my amazement they had primers in stock so I bought 1,000 CCI small pistol primers and 1lb of Accurate AA#7 a powder that has been rarer than gold of late. I’m always amazed by some of the mom and pops shops that still have things as they’re old school retailers that actually bought items to stock not just ordered things to shelve at or about the frequency that they sold; these supply chain issues are caused by this “in time production” and shelf only stocking so it’s always nice to see a place with stuff on the shelves. I recall a good size area gun store not having 20 long guns at one point while going to a whole in the wall place some 25 miles away to only fund hundreds of guns because people just didn’t know about it to over buy or maybe just were more reasonable customers.
Sad to see people taking advantage of the desperate; hopefully things will settle down again but the way we’re going who knows when or even if that will happen.
You are lucky. Our LGS has not had crap for supplies in over 18 months.
My Daughter warned me of a scam ,I almost bit but she saved me from a lot of heart ache . She said exactly what you just said .
Thank you for the information!! But I just wish they (large primer manufacturers) start releasing some primers.
Thanks for the heads up, much appreciated!!!
It is simple, if it is a reasonable price, it is probably a scam.
Unfortunately, that's true in this economy :(
Spot on
Also they seem to have everthing in stock too. Too good to be true. 😀
You are correct, it's real tempting! I have found a couple of those sites but it was a giveaway when they would NOT take credit cards!
If they show to have primers in stock at pre-pandemic pricing, it's probably a fraud site. Piece Edge is one I found that is fraudulent. Before I dropped any money I researched online and found they seem to always claim to be having credit card processing issues and then request paypal friends payment.
Thank You gavin! For posting a heads up! First one i have seen
Scammers abound everywhere. Always looking for a target of opportunity. High demand items are opportunities for them to take advantage of peoples desire to acquire them. Stick with reputable and secure retailers. Be vigilant and check them out for legitimacy.
These guys almost got me. I realized it was too good to be true.
same. I found somewhere selling small rifle primers for a pre panic site. figured it out before I ordered.
Good info. Thanks. When primers and powder are once again available, I suggest buying as many & as much as you can afford. I bought about 50,000 primers in the mid 1990's for very cheap and I have been using them since. Powder also. It keeps if stored correctly. It seems that there will always be a 'shortage' looming on the horizon. Stock up.
Yup, I was checking my primer inventory and found some marked '96 & '97 they work just fine !
Hello folks, any tips on proper storage to have primers last that long?
@@endutubecensorship High and dry, no temp extremes. Indoors preferred.
@@endutubecensorship My basement is cool and dry, seems to work the best !
Thanks all, always nice to get tips from those with experience
Great tips. I only use two sites as of now. Powder valley and my favorite is midway. Last I bought CCi SR mags for $75. Far more than penny or 2 a piece I use to buy them for. Buy enough and the hazmat fee gets smaller per brick.
If you can’t pay with a credit card it’s a scam
Great Report .
Thank You .
They have a better website than the real resellers! :D
Thanks for the heads-up.
There is also a "crowd sourcing" issue. One such company is hitting up folks for big $$$, promising 🇺🇸 made primers, but there are no licenses, permits or competent authority approvals in process or been issued.
Important video! Thank you!
I was ripped-off by a company named Reloads World. I announced it to my bank, the FBI, etc. They were paid via Zelle. Glad you put this out! It went somewhere out of the country.
Thank you for the heads up.
I spotted thrn the same way. Another way was that they had parts listed that are no longer in production, like a primer feeder for a Lee Load All shotshell press.
Thank you for sharing your expertise
Great heads up. Thx
CCI Primers almost got me until they wanted a Venmo payment and then I thought twice investigated. It makes you mad when you realize that there are individuals and organziations out there engaged in fraudulent activities like this. Wrong audience to target; but then again who ever said criminals are smart?!?!
Thank you for the Info!
I nearly fell for one of these sites, but the lack of CC options tipped me off. Now, spotting these fraudulent sites is actually getting easier - since they claim to have primers at pre-pandemic prices when the legitimate retailers have absolutely nill primers. If these sites do list any contact info, it's actually kind of funny to see where their purported physical address shows up in Google Maps. I've seen their street addresses show up as elementary schools, grocery distribution centers, abandoned offices, and even a gated community in Coral Gables, FL. I also sometimes check their website URL with ICANN lookup for registrant info. Occasionally I get a hit that bears no relation to their "contact info." (If I had more primers I'd be doing more reloading and less goofing around with these fraudster websites...)
Thank you for the heads up! However I have been lucky buying components though various websites and not overpaying (knock on wood) but I do have friends that have purchased primers off of Gun broker and talk about getting ripped off ! It’s a shame..
Thanks for the info
One way you can tell they are fake is they claim to have primers.
I have seen literally DOZENS of these sites that will only take Zelle, Apple Pay, etc. I have been very tempted to give one of them a shot (accept the risk), but after seeing this, I am glad I did not.
Thanks! What website do you recommend for powder? I just got some reloading equipment and am eager to start
Thanks
Solid PSA Gavin. You rule dude
I almost fell for it. I went to a second site to compare price before hitting the commit button and eventually found several other fakes using the same links
I would never overpay buying online. I get all of mine locally. Once the supply is good again, I will buy during sales. It seems like too many people wait until the supply is low to buy.
Either that or START wanting to Reload at these Kinds of times, when slim Pickens, Me I am still good for about a year more after that it could get Tight. I got to have a larger stock for next big Glitch.
I don't do business with tiny sites I've never heard of (except for trivial amounts of money, and even then, sure, I'd never use goofy payments methods I've never heard of, either). I've always had this practice -- just on general principles. Thanks for this heads up.
Good advice for buying anything on line.
Right now if they have primers for sell unless you know them its a scam.
I almost took the bait! Something told me there was something not right with these sites. Thank you for the video. Its getting real bad I am down to my last 50 rifle primers!
Thanks UR your video on primer scams saved me several hundred dollars
I really would love that reloading press
thanks for the warning.
I had a buddy desperate for Large rifle magnum primers because he got a custom muzzle loader that uses them. He dang near got scammed by a website. Luckily he had enough common sense to do a little asking around before falling for this. There are tons of ammo ones as well. If it’s too good to be true right now it is too good to be true. We don’t live in 2019 anymore. So if you see 2019 prices (unless you are paying in person and can examine) it’s not real. I hope we get back to decent prices one day. It’s not going to be soon though. Supply is getting better. But for prices to fall inventory is going to have to far outweigh demand like 2019. 🤞 There is no incentive to lower prices now.
Got my Federal 215 primers and just added 8lbs of US 869. I am set for a while!
The cheapest I’ve been able to find bricks of small rifle & pistol primers is $79 & considering I haven’t seen any primers locally for 6 to 8 months I’d say that’s the going rate right now from most companies.
I like your channel, I like your work here, im going to give you a suggestion topic, "firearms, reloading and lead exposure".
The winchester wsp in a red white and black box are they any good. Why the different box
I got some BR-4 srp back in May’21 and paid .09. Which I thought was high. Midway. The same box was recently .14/primer. There’s the increase manufacturing warmed about. Not done yet.
Can you use steel case ammunition at higher pressures?
Thank you.
Two months ago, I came across a website that was selling primers for about 50 bucks for a box of 1000. When I went to go check out they require a minimum purchase of $250. They would not except a credit card and I had to go through a special system the order was canceled properly.
Yeah, what's up with that minimum order crap.
Thank you Gavin. Good advice on top of excellent videos. I also reload therefore I am.
"If it doesn't smell right, it probably isn't right." Amazing to me how many people I've met through the years that just can't seem to quite figure that out ... repeatedly.
It's shameful that fraudulent things happen 😔
Look at the election
LETS GO BRANDON..!!!
Thanks
I have seen a few that just didn't seem quite right. I can't think of the name of the site but the site claimed to have primers and other items for sale. This was where it got fishy! Those other items were just a lot of other items, household stuff, garden stuff, toys, etc. and the name of the web store just didn't seem to fit. When I did a search to see if anyone had any reviews of this web store, there was nothing. So as bad as I needed primers, the risk was far too high.
Yea.....i almost got scammed but stopped the process when they wanted Zelle or whatever it is as payment.
I notice that these websites tend to have the same template and may be run by the same person or group.
They usually have a chat popup that says "we are here to help" and asks to chat with them. Also, they have the same reviews for the product. There is also a message along the lines of "(Person's name) in Y city just bought product X"
Damn....I really wanted some Blue Dot powder :(
Gavin, thanks we all need to " Post " the names when we find a scammer,
we can put them out of business..........
Good warning to all. 👍
The Remington 250 round 9mm bulk packs used to cost $65-70, they are now selling at Sportsman's Warehouse for $110. Quite the mark up.
My local store has Federal small rifle. They were about $189 for 1000. Then they lowered the price to $120. I still wont bite and just let them sit there for the suckers.
Thanks!
Another way to ID a fake site is they are not legitimate business'. Therefore their contact page will have squat for actual information like an address or a legit contact. Thank you for making this video, it makes me angry too. I will not buy from anywhere that I don't know to be a reputable business. I just sent a message to CCI yesterday saying they should do something about it, because the fake sites are engaging in fraud with THEIR products.
I look at reloading as relaxing. The cost is so high and I haven’t found primers in a very long time. It’s getting where the the bullets are cheaper just to buy them at my range (small pistol). It’s kinda weird.
I've found primers locally in Nevada and I'm on the email list for midway. Picked up 3k cci450 primers last month. They are out there just have to do the leg work and even at .11 a pop I'm loading 9mm, 357, 10mm, 223, 6.5 creedmore, and 22-250 for less than half what factory ammo is. I actually never use to reload 9mm tell just recently because it's so much cheaper. 🍻 here's to hoping consumables make a come back next year.
Yep, 9mm isn’t worth reloading right now unless you are really bored and don’t use the primers or powder for any other caliber.
It’s barely worth it to reload 45ACP.
Just save the brass after you shoot for better days.
I almost got scammed twice. The first one was really close to getting me and the second one I actually spotted while shopping on the site. Now I have a personal rule I’m not using anything but a genuine card to purchase especially after watching this.
100% some body has varget and primers going for somewhat normal prices. Payment method zell or something like that. No bank card or pay pal. Not only no, but hell no.
My favorite is First Crown Firearms, where they say, and I am copy and pasting here...
"Place your order, and give us the opportunity to advice or serve you in a way that suits your legal or non-legal wants"
Am I reading this incorrectly? Missing something, perhaps?
If you do not get "sorry this item is out of stock" when you take more than 30 seconds to checkout when responding to your email "in stock alert" It is probably fake.
I usually buy from my local dealer for reloading components. I get to see and feel the product and support a local business...win win for me.
Thanks for the fraud info. I'm brand new to reloading. Can anyone recommend a reputable site for primers, brass, and powder? I'm in Hawaii so I don't even know if it will ship, or if I need to involve an FFL. Even the FFL's out here charge $100 for a pistol transfer. I'm afraid to look locally for reloading supplies, they'll either be out of stock or price gouging. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks for the heads up my patriot friend 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I didn't know primers were hard to get. Just this past month I've bought over 5000. They were pretty expensive $80-90 a thousand. They are the military white box CCI large and small primers large and small rifle. I also just got a deal on 8 pounds of pistol powder.
check midway at 9:00 am every week day... just got cci large pistol this morning... brownells is also a good choice but they seem to go in stock at random times in the middle of the day
Yeah at $110 Shipped? No thanks
Got lucky locally last week, added 8k at $43/1000
I saw alphex firearms website had everything in stock even primers so I figured there were a scam, and the site is a scam. However I did get some of those Argentine SP primers when they were still cheap. Took 2 months to get them but so far they have been good quality
Is gold ammunition is San Diego a legitimate company?
I'm off to my local Ace hardware to go buy primers and powder was getting them for $5.50 a 100 but they raised it up to $7.50 and powder is about $8 a lb higher but at least i don't have to pay hazmat and shipping
One way to tell is if they have several different brands and types of primers "in stock" for 2018 prices.
Put on the spandex suit and saddle up, Garvin. We got some karma to enforce.
My Norton safe search has the federal site flagged. Did not see the CCI site.
There is a fake CZ-USA website selling "blem" rifles. I have come across a couple of others as well but did not take note of their names.
Don't have any problems getting primers in Australia. Could have bought 10,000 large rifle in Winchester & the same in small rifle, CCI or Winchester. Primers aplenty over here!!!! Stocked up for years to come.
So where do I find primers?
so that site I ordered 20,000 primers for $300 called "we-are-being-the-pirmer-stor-hose" might not be delivered???
There's a bunch of scam ammo and reloading sites out there now! I know of a few people that got burned.
I've been able to get powder but primers are rare as silver dollars right now in Phoenix
Tactical World in Maine appears to be a scam
I google the address and look at the street view also read reviews before I order anything online not just for primers but for anything that’s not a well known site
Dream set up is RIGHT! I want it!
Dongs guns and ammo in tulsa has a lot of primers in stock. Not cheap but they have plenty. Picked up 8000 a few days ago.
Recently, Academy Sports and Outdoors started carrying primers. I think a lot of folks jumped on the band wagon because they are getting scarce again. At least I was able to get several thousand at $5.99/sleeve. Also, Cabelas and Bass Pro shops are starting to carry primers again. I bought a brick of CCI500 and a 1# bottle of Titegroup at one of the local stores in the Houston area. $64.99 for the primers. I forgot what the powder cost. At least it didn't have shipping and a $20 Hazmat fee.
They have been getting them from time to time here. Its just random shipments with low limits. I had to work my butt off to get 2 and a half bricks of large rifle at 2 sleeves a day.
The "hazmat" fee is a scam in it's self.
Yes it is. There's no extra charge. They just want to make up the cost for having to have a dedicated person for it
It isn't that they are starting to carry them again as it isn't their choice. They are just fortunate to start finally get them again. My local Academy and Cabela's have always carried them. Have to be fast 'cause they sell within an hour once they are found.
Thank you 🙏 👍👍😊🇺🇸
I sent an email to Colt store and asked them if they were affiliated with Colt Firearms. No reply. They listed things like Colt SSA's for the retail price. In stock. I setup an account but didn't buy anything. Later, I was at the Colt Foram and the guys were saying they were scammers. I guess we have the same problem with a Winchester store. Beware!