Yes agreed but it's not up to the west to solve all of the world's problems. Western countries are supplying Israel with support and that's why that should be our primary focus.
1948, most of the African nations were colonized. Open you eyes , the declaration of human rights and the convention against genocide applies to the nations that used to be in the UN and many of these colonialists. This means the declaration and convention were to Whites only.
In 1948 the world just watched on the news and done nothing, in 2024 the whole world is watching live and standing up for Palestine. The World is watching. Those complicit in these 7 decades will never be forgotten or forgiven.
How eloquent your presentation is, Ms. Bennis. Your contribution to equitable justice is powerful. The Nakba, hence, should be celebrated yearly as a Palestinian heritage pivotal point marking the move from the betrayal of Western leaders to Palestinians, onward to a live commitment to ensure it will not happen again, at any cost. It is the horrifying Palestinian Holocaust. WOW: "The justice generation!"
Ms Benni's must be awarded for many awards for Her noble and just views, and Her aim for the restoration of human rights of the native Palestinian rights and their historic home land.
Thank you Phyllis I am so proud of the young people all across the world. I am 93 years old and I’ve waited for 75 years for this. For the truth to come out of what is really happening in occupied Palestine And the social media is revealing the truth that cannot be denied. Please take good care of your health . We need your beautiful honesty and courage and we love you.
I think the more knowledge and humanity in a person is , the more disgusted one feels for what has been allowed to happen until October 7 and since then !
Thank you @@miriammayost4135 , your comment and the comments and actions coming out of israel racist state only serves to remind everyone why israel will never see peace and doesn't deserve too. While israel exists there will never be peace in the Middle East, so why should it exist?
Excellent presentation Phyllis Bennis thank you for your effort and contribution to present the facts and truth relating to the injustice and crimes against the people of Palestine. God bless you.
May God bless and protect you, Madame! Thank you for speaking truth to power with such clarity and courage. Your moral leadership is helping to strengthen the resolve of those who are struggling to bring peace and justice to our world.
You should also mention at the same period, the massacres of May 8, 1945, in Algeria which was under French colonization since 1830. A settler occupation made of dispossessions, punitive expeditions, massacres, displacements, destruction of 1/3 of its population, indigenous Code etc... Algeria gained its independence, this is an important precedent that must be constantly reminded and emphasized, and so will Palestine.
Something had to give and though the events of October 7th was very horrible, it was a culmination of years of brutality, deep grief, pain and the innate human yearning or the inalienable right to be free and self-determine. We all should support "never again " for all humanity and not selective " never again ."
Right you say 100% . This starting first from 1948, Israel crimes against Palestine people now 76 years suffer people of Palestine. The most world not condem hamas. But there condem Israel 1948 .
No relation! NC is a French department. All citizens have equal right and Kanak people have acquired more right to their legacy, land and afministrative. Australian Aboriginals are still racially discriminante against. They should ask to have similar right to Kanak.
Phillis, this is disgusting for any one listening to hear. Young people of the world, we have so much to thank you for. Your persistence day after day, week after week,a month after month, even getting your parents to see this injustice in all its cruel forms. Innocent civilians, mothers and children being bombed out of existence. Netanyahu said “give them a few weeks and they would all go back home, end of story, but you did not, you came out in fuller force, in spite of the unjust law for speech😮n
WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and
Somehow, with all due respect while naming the atrocities during, before and to date, Black history has been omitted. Here’s a reminder, an excerpt from the LOC regarding Black history’s tragic events during the 1948 period referenced here: “African Americans in the United States faced many challenges from 1849 to 1950, including: Jim Crow laws These laws, which were in place from the post-Civil War era until 1968, legalized racial segregation and severely restricted the rights of Black Americans. Black people were separated from white people in transportation, schools, public accommodations, prisons, and armed forces. They were also denied the right to vote, hold jobs, and get an education. Black people who defied Jim Crow laws often faced violence, arrest, fines, and jail sentences.” The Google search: “What was the condition of the African American in the US period to 1950?”
I love peace loving human beings, this lady inspires me and warms my heart. Let’s not say Palestinians are dying, let’s say our fellow human beings are dying, being murdered, because we are all human beings; God’s children, we must love and live with and amongst others.❤❤
1948 was also the first full year of India's independence from Britain, a very significant example of how non-violence could be used as a way to achieve a people's aspirations. I was only nine years old then, but that was old enough to realize that wars are awful and that this was a better way. But the following year, 1948, was when another people had a chance to try non-violence to settle a conflict, and instead chose violence, and brought upon itself the misery of seventy five years, three generations, of needless poverty.
Phyllis Bennie - you have a heart of gold, with a human soul- you should be the President of America- the world be a happier n safer place. May God bless ye n keep ye safe. I speak from my heart , I am 82 yrs of age.
People and the cultural dynamics to bring human rights into the dynamics of the political processes around the globe provide the best support needed to change course for human decency.
@@natankaaren1207 Israels policies and actions created Hamas. They wouldn't exist without Israel's actions of apartheid, land theft, home theft and brutal occupation. And what's worse, Israel and others know this very well. For every 💣 dropped it creates more Hamas fighters. What do you think a child does when he loses his parents? Joins Hamas. Or a father that loses his family? Wake up.
I've lost what little faith i ever had in most Western I've lost what little faith i ever had in most Western goverments, particularly US and UK. But have great faith in the groundswell of the people, particularly the students, who are disgusted and who are educating themselves on the true history particularly US and UK. But have great faith in the groundswell of the people, particularly the students, who are disgusted and who are educating themselves on the true history
All the people those can be called pillars of civilization have one thing is common. They judged others on the basis of actions not by skin color, linguistic group, religion, and certainly not by nationality - the most harmful ways of dividing the human race. Lady Bennis you have earned the honor by standing for justice against the people who call themselves Jews but behave as any Nazi, Isis, KKK, Hindutva, and Fascist.. Lately I started doubting Human being as human but you have cleared all my suspicion. Long live Human race as brothers and sisters without hate and bigotry. My humble noble prize to you from my❤..
You cant create a state on stolen lands and then slowly systematicaly surpress the those who were forced to gave up their lands are turned into worlds biggest open prison and create the worst apartheid yon can't expect there to be peace..
It’s not the’Nakba’ i.e. ‘catastrophe’ in Arabic. In 1948, it was deliberate mass ethnic cleansing, genocide and societicide: 531 Palestinian villages deliberately destroyed. And then in 1967, more ethnic cleansing. It’s an ongoing demographic colonialist war by Jewish immigrant settler colonialism using many different methods. According to Craig Mukhaiber, the UN human rights lawyer, there was slow incremental genocide against the Gaza Strip before October 7th and now full-blown genocide. There’s an ongoing brutal colonialist and Apartheid demographic war in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. It has always been an ongoing brutal demographic war against the native people by Jewish immigrant colonialists
1948 war started by Arabs They lost... Nakba, Arab muslims ordered to leave war zone by Arab leaders ( having chosen their side) could not return. Those that refused to obey orders and stayed are the 20% Arab muslim Israelis of today. How many wars have Israel started? How many? ZERO When you start a war and lose, you can't play the victim.
Thank you for speaking up, for pointing to finger to your own government's role in the disaster of this particular conflict. I am sure in many other conflicts the US' involvement and interest has equally been dealt with in a Mafioso kind of way you have described. Actually, they are too numerous to list them all. Although the US certainly is not the only country that does her dealings this way in the world, but it is the most powerful (militarily speaking) one. But speaking up like this may give some hope that within the US such reflection one day may produce the US politicians that really are going to act on the tyranny of the powerful you so eloquently describe. Thank you
The United States citizens must learn to vote third party and choose wisely. I believe at this time there's only one may stop 🛑 the colonizers and stop the genocide which is ongoing right now!😢
A wonderful eloquent and powerful speech by a woman of great intelligence, learning and integrity and she is not even reading a prepared speech and only rarely fleetingly glances at her notes. Impressive.
Thanks to everyone who all are hosting this session. My question is when state of Israel was created at the same time why’s not Palestine state created and recognized by the then UN/ league of nations and world leaders! Now when the USA continues to vetoing against Palestine’s membership in the UN then how can anyone expect that the USA would respond to this situation to create a free Palestine. The more the USA stays away from the conflict, the better it is. People lost their belief in the USA that one day they could solve the problem. However we do believe that only younger generations can solve it. Free free Palestine. Thanks.
Why cant the usa have wonen like Phyllis Bennis in charge. She is one of the voices of hope for the western world, along with women like Medea Benjamin of course
Benzion Mileikowsky the real name of Netanyahu. A polish national as most of the Israeli settlers who massacred the indigenous Palestinians ... all come from eastern European ancestry. So who's land is it the European settlers or the native Palestinians.. Wake up world.
We also need a "Sudan Rights Committee "... we should also talk about ongoing Genocide and massive displacement of Sudanese.
Definitely ….
Yes, Sudanese & Congress people
people
Sudan ? Its never mentioned neither is Yemen or Syria the woke west only care when jews are involved
Yes agreed but it's not up to the west to solve all of the world's problems.
Western countries are supplying Israel with support and that's why that should be our primary focus.
The two are interconnected
Thank you so much Ma'am.justice, humanity,peace,love. Free Palestine
You must be 10 years old
@@gabrielderman974 am so glad you found the time to engage with a 10yr old. Do you have mommy issues?
@@gabrielderman974 the haz-bara bosses are not paying you much? Do they still feed you on that koolaid? Poor thing🥺
@@shamim621Just a fool who has nothing to offer but idiocy.
@@gabrielderman974
2 international courts after Israel and you still won't wake up. 🙄
This speech must distribute all over the world.
And must be written with Goldwater.
Thank You Phyllis Bennis.
The whole wirld should help Palestinian for their freedom from this inhuman and brutal Holocaust 🥺🇵🇸
And the perpetrators be charged
@@ChefbyMistakethis is the hipocricy of the media
@@NoctLightCloudyou're watching that hypocrisy now
@@diannafeliciano5208 I know, I'm on your side. I didn't watch this video btw
@@NoctLightCloud you didn't miss anything, same shyt, different smell
Phyllis has always been a highly articulate, highly informed class act. Her words on Palestine are always so important.
God bless her & keep her safe
Thank you very much for speaking truth. FREEDOM FOR PALESTYNA. WE LOVE YOU, from,🇵🇱🇨🇦
Salutes You All Respected Free Honored People, Free Palestine
Stop Apartheid
Stop Genocide
Stop Killing
Stop Stealing
Peace & Freedom for All people all over the world.
@mqi7269
Stop murder
Stop rape
Stop abuse
Stop killing innocent people
Stop jihads
Stop hatred
✋
I agree - free the world from Muslim occupation!!!!
Palestinian people will be FREE!!! We send love!❤️
They are free. The problem is when you give freedom to them they do stupid things.
From life😂😂😂
@@waltermesser9737Oh really! Why don't you tell us about those stupid things they do?
1948, most of the African nations were colonized. Open you eyes , the declaration of human rights and the convention against genocide applies to the nations that used to be in the UN and many of these colonialists. This means the declaration and convention were to Whites only.
@@miriammayost4135 after your freedom of life!!! 😂😂😂 !!! 😅😅😅 !!!
Kudos to Phyllis Bennis! Speaking Truth is the most powerful tool for change! Palestine FOREVER!
What if her truth is a lie?
Because her truth IS a lie.
Do some homework.
In 1948 the world just watched on the news and done nothing, in 2024 the whole world is watching live and standing up for Palestine.
The World is watching.
Those complicit in these 7 decades will never be forgotten or forgiven.
Free free free Palestine 🇵🇸. 🇵🇸
Never again is never again for everyone.
How eloquent your presentation is, Ms. Bennis. Your contribution to equitable justice is powerful. The Nakba, hence, should be celebrated yearly as a Palestinian heritage pivotal point marking the move from the betrayal of Western leaders to Palestinians, onward to a live commitment to ensure it will not happen again, at any cost. It is the horrifying Palestinian Holocaust. WOW: "The justice generation!"
You’re beautiful inside and outside
Great speech
Phyllis Bennis nailed it yet again. It’s encouraging and refreshing to hear such comprehensive take on the Israeli- Palestinian conflict
Thank You Phyllis Bennis, you've got the ball rolling. A true Humanitarian.
Ms Benni's must be awarded for many awards for Her noble and just views, and Her aim for the restoration of human rights of the native Palestinian rights and their historic home land.
Thank you Phyllis I am so proud of the young people all across the world. I am 93 years old and I’ve waited for 75 years for this. For the truth to come out of what is really happening in occupied Palestine And the social media is revealing the truth that cannot be denied. Please take good care of your health . We need your beautiful honesty and courage and we love you.
💜
Bravo Ms. Bennis for telling truth to power!! Particularly when it is your own Government funding and colluding with the genocide!!🇨🇦❤❤❤❤🇵🇸
Ecellent speech.
Kudos to this Brave and honorable woman!water tight facts presented in a brilliant way! 💜
Thank you!
“The state of Israel was not created for the salvation of the Jews; it was created for the salvation of western interest.”
James Balwin
Who he, Balwin??
Jews for Peace - Biden needs to listen to them, to the students on campuses and to 80 % of his own party. Truth-telliing at it's best.
Thank you Phyllis Bennis👍👍
The truth is out, no one can stifle it anymore.
I think the more knowledge and humanity in a person is , the more disgusted one feels for what has been allowed to happen until October 7 and since then !
What an eloquent honest well informed speaker. Thank you 🙏🏽
PLM Palestine Lives Matter.
No they dont😂😂😂
Thank you @@miriammayost4135 , your comment and the comments and actions coming out of israel racist state only serves to remind everyone why israel will never see peace and doesn't deserve too.
While israel exists there will never be peace in the Middle East, so why should it exist?
@@miriammayost4135 troll
@@miriammayost4135 You are inhuman
Thank you madam for sharing the history and the facts abt what's happening..
Excellent presentation Phyllis Bennis thank you for your effort and contribution to present the facts and truth relating to the injustice and crimes against the people of Palestine. God bless you.
May God bless and protect you, Madame! Thank you for speaking truth to power with such clarity and courage. Your moral leadership is helping to strengthen the resolve of those who are struggling to bring peace and justice to our world.
Thank you
Thank you 😢😢❤
You should also mention at the same period, the massacres of May 8, 1945, in Algeria which was under French colonization since 1830. A settler occupation made of dispossessions, punitive expeditions, massacres, displacements, destruction of 1/3 of its population, indigenous Code etc... Algeria gained its independence, this is an important precedent that must be constantly reminded and emphasized, and so will Palestine.
knowledge is power, thanks for enlightening us. ❤ 🇵🇸
Imagine if the holocaust lasted 75 years and the resistance were labeled terrorists! 😮
outstanding discourse by an American citizen.Truth prevails.
❤❤MME. PHYLLIS BENNIS❤❤
🇵🇸❤️💔❤️
Splinded speech‼️
The truth is spoken by people like the speaker. I admire this true speaker🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
❤ Stand With Humanity
Nailed it!
Something had to give and though the events of October 7th was very horrible, it was a culmination of years of brutality, deep grief, pain and the innate human yearning or the inalienable right to be free and self-determine. We all should support "never again " for all humanity and not selective " never again ."
History did not begin on October 7th 2023.
Right you say 100% . This starting first from 1948, Israel crimes against Palestine people now 76 years suffer people of Palestine. The most world not condem hamas. But there condem Israel 1948 .
Thank you so much for this outstanding presentation ❤❤❤
Thank you, Phyllis Bennis!
please people give a time to take a look at new Caledonia colonialism by france,
No relation! NC is a French department. All citizens have equal right and Kanak people have acquired more right to their legacy,
land and afministrative. Australian Aboriginals are still racially discriminante against. They should ask to have similar right to Kanak.
Détournement de sujet tactique des sioniste menteurs voleurs et nazis
Phillis, this is disgusting for any one listening to hear. Young people of the world, we have so much to thank you for. Your persistence day after day, week after week,a month after month, even getting your parents to see this injustice in all its cruel forms. Innocent civilians, mothers and children being bombed out of existence. Netanyahu said “give them a few weeks and they would all go back home, end of story, but you did not, you came out in fuller force, in spite of the unjust law for speech😮n
Respect! Thank you for speaking out the truth! 🙏
Madam, you have a beautiful soul. ❤
It's amazing to see someone in the UN from the US say these words. Our ambassador follows the words of our "president" not the majority of Americans.
"The Nakba never ended,
the colonizer lied" - Macklemore
Wonder if she is ever invited to CNN, MSNBC.
What a voice of truth much love and more power to you mam❤
WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED
to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and
to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and
to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and
😢😢😢😢
❤❤❤❤
Somehow, with all due respect while naming the atrocities during, before and to date, Black history has been omitted. Here’s a reminder, an excerpt from the LOC regarding Black history’s tragic events during the 1948 period referenced here:
“African Americans in the United States faced many challenges from 1849 to 1950, including:
Jim Crow laws
These laws, which were in place from the post-Civil War era until 1968, legalized racial segregation and severely restricted the rights of Black Americans. Black people were separated from white people in transportation, schools, public accommodations, prisons, and armed forces. They were also denied the right to vote, hold jobs, and get an education. Black people who defied Jim Crow laws often faced violence, arrest, fines, and jail sentences.”
The Google search: “What was the condition of the African American in the US period to 1950?”
What were people in Ireland, "resistance fighters"?
Amazing speech!!!!!❤❤❤
I love peace loving human beings, this lady inspires me and warms my heart. Let’s not say Palestinians are dying, let’s say our fellow human beings are dying, being murdered, because we are all human beings; God’s children, we must love and live with and amongst others.❤❤
1948 was also the first full year of India's independence from Britain, a very significant example of how non-violence could be used as a way to achieve a people's aspirations. I was only nine years old then, but that was old enough to realize that wars are awful and that this was a better way. But the following year, 1948, was when another people had a chance to try non-violence to settle a conflict, and instead chose violence, and brought upon itself the misery of seventy five years, three generations, of needless poverty.
India know what they been through with British, and still they send weapons and troops in Gaza and West Bank
Phyllis Bennie - you have a heart of gold, with a human soul- you should be the President of America- the world be a happier n safer place. May God bless ye n keep ye safe. I speak from my heart , I am 82 yrs of age.
People and the cultural dynamics to bring human rights into the dynamics of the political processes around the globe provide the best support needed to change course for human decency.
Even the pro-Palestinian camp has clamped up with no reference to the massacres in the Sabra and Shatilla Palestinian refugee camps in the 1980s.
Shame on israel!
shame on Hamas
@@natankaaren1207 shame on you.
@@natankaaren1207shame on you both and Israel
Right . shame on Israel and his supporter
@@natankaaren1207
Israels policies and actions created Hamas.
They wouldn't exist without Israel's actions of apartheid, land theft, home theft and brutal occupation.
And what's worse, Israel and others know this very well.
For every 💣 dropped it creates more Hamas fighters.
What do you think a child does when he loses his parents? Joins Hamas. Or a father that loses his family?
Wake up.
Africa and the Global South stands with Palestine...I lost faith in Humanity 😢
I've lost what little faith i ever had in most Western I've lost what little faith i ever had in most Western goverments, particularly US and UK. But have great faith in the groundswell of the people, particularly the students, who are disgusted and who are educating themselves on the true history particularly US and UK. But have great faith in the groundswell of the people, particularly the students, who are disgusted and who are educating themselves on the true history
Leve, leve PALESTINE, long live PALESTINE 🇵🇸 ♥️
Shared!
Please Lets not forger to Share
🙏🤲🙏🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🤲🙏🤲
Thank you for speaking up the truth Mme Phyllis Bennis 🙏 Freedom for Palestine 🇵🇸 and Sudan 🇸🇩.
What an excellent speaker she is.
Thank you Phyllis for your articulate summation of the horror the u.s. promotes and provides! The madness and injustice is overwhelming!
Delete VITO , Free Palestines,Free Humanity and Justice.❤
United States use veto must delete . Right you say
neither do i! ... i have always hoped that the sense of honour in the presidential office was slughtly higher than that ....... but it isn't
Irene
All the people those can be called pillars of civilization have one thing is common. They judged others on the basis of actions not by skin color, linguistic group, religion, and certainly not by nationality - the most harmful ways of dividing the human race.
Lady Bennis you have earned the honor by standing for justice against the people who call themselves Jews but behave as any Nazi, Isis, KKK, Hindutva, and Fascist.. Lately I started doubting Human being as human but you have cleared all my suspicion.
Long live Human race as brothers and sisters without hate and bigotry.
My humble noble prize to you from my❤..
Bring them home.
You cant create a state on stolen lands and then slowly systematicaly surpress the those who were forced to gave up their lands are turned into worlds biggest open prison and create the worst apartheid yon can't expect there to be peace..
HUGE respect for this lady for speak out the truth and the hypocries if the west..BRAVO
#JillStein2024
FINALLY TRUTH SAID PLAINLY
It’s not the’Nakba’ i.e. ‘catastrophe’ in Arabic. In 1948, it was deliberate mass ethnic cleansing, genocide and societicide: 531 Palestinian villages deliberately destroyed. And then in 1967, more ethnic cleansing. It’s an ongoing demographic colonialist war by Jewish immigrant settler colonialism using many different methods. According to Craig Mukhaiber, the UN human rights lawyer, there was slow incremental genocide against the Gaza Strip before October 7th and now full-blown genocide. There’s an ongoing brutal colonialist and Apartheid demographic war in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. It has always been an ongoing brutal demographic war against the native people by Jewish immigrant colonialists
Aparthteid is never between two states. West bankers are not israelians citizens.
How can democratic party support Biden! After 60 years, i have left the party.
1948 war started by Arabs
They lost...
Nakba, Arab muslims ordered to leave war zone by Arab leaders ( having chosen their side) could not return. Those that refused to obey orders and stayed are the 20% Arab muslim Israelis of today.
How many wars have Israel started?
How many? ZERO
When you start a war and lose, you can't play the victim.
Thank you for speaking up, for pointing to finger to your own government's role in the disaster of this particular conflict. I am sure in many other conflicts the US' involvement and interest has equally been dealt with in a Mafioso kind of way you have described. Actually, they are too numerous to list them all. Although the US certainly is not the only country that does her dealings this way in the world, but it is the most powerful (militarily speaking) one. But speaking up like this may give some hope that within the US such reflection one day may produce the US politicians that really are going to act on the tyranny of the powerful you so eloquently describe. Thank you
The United States citizens must learn to vote third party and choose wisely. I believe at this time there's only one may stop 🛑 the colonizers and stop the genocide which is ongoing right now!😢
Thank-you for saying that Palestine needs a ceasefire.....against your own country.
Super speech ❤
❤You Lady. Thank You for Your honesty
I would like to ask the UN who gave them the right to pass a resolution to carve out someone's land to a third party?
Good on you Phyllis at list one person talk about truth
Benise....what an excellent commentary.
Ok we been talking about it lets do something about it
Absolutely heartbreaking what the Palestinians people have suffered
A wonderful eloquent and powerful speech by a woman of great intelligence, learning and integrity and she is not even reading a prepared speech and only rarely fleetingly glances at her notes. Impressive.
Thanks to everyone who all are hosting this session. My question is when state of Israel was created at the same time why’s not Palestine state created and recognized by the then UN/ league of nations and world leaders! Now when the USA continues to vetoing against Palestine’s membership in the UN then how can anyone expect that the USA would respond to this situation to create a free Palestine. The more the USA stays away from the conflict, the better it is. People lost their belief in the USA that one day they could solve the problem. However we do believe that only younger generations can solve it. Free free Palestine. Thanks.
Why cant the usa have wonen like Phyllis Bennis in charge. She is one of the voices of hope for the western world, along with women like Medea Benjamin of course
The words are endless .. nothing burgers are not food Just do
Thank u Phyllis Bennis
Benzion Mileikowsky the real name of Netanyahu. A polish national as most of the Israeli settlers who massacred the indigenous Palestinians ... all come from eastern European ancestry. So who's land is it the European settlers or the native Palestinians.. Wake up world.
Free 🌎 for free Palestine 🇵🇸
Ilan Pappé is a heroic witness of the truth - hear him!
She did not mention Ghandi !!!