Johnny vs. Sonic The Hedgehog 4

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  • @SomecallmeJohnny
    @SomecallmeJohnny  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1228

    Sonic 3 & Knuckles isn't episodic. Send Tweet.

    • @niclaswa5408
      @niclaswa5408 2 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      You forgot to mention that modern Tails is capable of fighting badnicks in this game, instead of being completely helpless in the boost games.

    • @vanquese8947
      @vanquese8947 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      How do u write your scripts for videos

    • @jjcoats2.022
      @jjcoats2.022 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sweet

    • @ros9764
      @ros9764 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Who would think it is?

    • @oguzhangungor9117
      @oguzhangungor9117 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      But...one of them came out before the other. Sorry, I don't have twitter so I had to comment here.

  • @Zexxthecrow
    @Zexxthecrow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1484

    “Probably won’t be returning to it”
    Also Johnny 10-15 years from now
    “Continuing the sonic marathon we have sonic 4 episode 1”

    • @SomecallmeJohnny
      @SomecallmeJohnny  2 ปีที่แล้ว +715

      Content creation is hard.

    • @bobbyshewan4229
      @bobbyshewan4229 2 ปีที่แล้ว +95

      @@SomecallmeJohnny get paid big man👍🏿

    • @DaimoHope
      @DaimoHope 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Or for the sonic hacking contest

    • @theluigifan1
      @theluigifan1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      He *did* say probably. : P

    • @setsers1
      @setsers1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      YES

  • @realkingofantarctica
    @realkingofantarctica 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1089

    Sonic the Hedgehog 4 is like the IRS. You forget about it at first, until there's nowhere left for you to run.

    • @matthewrease2376
      @matthewrease2376 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      I've never laughed so hard while being so scared of a comment.

    • @KairiHawk
      @KairiHawk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      "I don't care who the IRS sends, I'm not paying taxes!"

    • @Evan.280
      @Evan.280 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂 incredible comment!

    • @Squishito
      @Squishito 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      I'd rather deal with the IRS than play Sonic 4 honestly.

    • @darkskull1982
      @darkskull1982 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Even the Joker would rather face Batman than deal with the IRS.

  • @mushroomdude123
    @mushroomdude123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +675

    I’ve never heard anyone talk about the history of this game. Knowing it was supposed to be mobile only explains so much.

    • @lightgivemepower6425
      @lightgivemepower6425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      1 person actually did before johnny but he's not as big as Johnny.

    • @eebu4053
      @eebu4053 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      im sitler

    • @lightgivemepower6425
      @lightgivemepower6425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@eebu4053 what?

    • @jlev1028
      @jlev1028 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      It's explains how crap the graphics were even by 2010 standards.

    • @AdamTheFanatic
      @AdamTheFanatic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I can't imagine ever playing a game like this on a touch screen.

  • @thabreez456
    @thabreez456 2 ปีที่แล้ว +453

    I like how in the original review of the game Johnny said He wasn’t a fan of episodic releases as Half Life Fans have been waiting years for episode 3 of that game. He was scared Episode 3 of Sonic 4 would experience a similar fate. Well…..here we are.

    • @jefverstraete8574
      @jefverstraete8574 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Sonic 4 Amy rose VR when ?

    • @doclouis4236
      @doclouis4236 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Sonic The Hedgehog 4: Episode 3 Steam Early Access exclusive only purchasable with doge coin.

    • @russellbrown6888
      @russellbrown6888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      At least SEGA quickly announced Sonic 4 episode 3 was cancelled.
      Valve let HL2 Episode 3 hang in limbo for so long that it could never have lived up to the hype, and they STILL haven't officially cancelled it after almost 15 years. The best we have for a conclusion is the script that the lead writer posted on his blog.

    • @hickknight
      @hickknight 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      When it comes to episodic gaming as they call it, I feel like a lot of developers what that entailed. Outside of the traveler's tales formula, none of them really knew how to use it. And now I look at FF7R... I doubt that was the intention at all. Has the 2nd part of it come out yet? Or the Yuffie part? Interstice or something, I don't know. Here's hoping that sticks to one console.

    • @ikagura
      @ikagura 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      At least Half Life never got any bad game

  • @TheExFatal
    @TheExFatal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +322

    Fun fact, if you beat the leaked version of Episode 2, you'll be greeted with a "To Be Continued" message, which was removed in the released version

    • @augustbornone
      @augustbornone 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I hope that there still a possibility for an Ep 3.

    • @TommyDeonauthsArchives
      @TommyDeonauthsArchives 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Oof...

    • @DarkkirbyKRPG
      @DarkkirbyKRPG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +85

      @@augustbornone It's been 9 years, let it go.

    • @augustbornone
      @augustbornone 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TommyDeonauthsArchives What do you mean by "Oof....."?

    • @augustbornone
      @augustbornone 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DarkkirbyKRPG I mean there is possibility, right?

  • @sirminty8495
    @sirminty8495 2 ปีที่แล้ว +312

    "I'm sure if he were wearing Raycons they'd still be on his ears, concussion be damned."
    You had no reason to spit great jokes at me in an ad but you did it anyways.

  • @GeekCritique
    @GeekCritique 2 ปีที่แล้ว +409

    If they were gonna bring back Little Planet, where were the Time Stones!? An updated, speedier version of the time travel mechanic could've been a great way to give Sonic 4's levels more incentive for exploration and variety, and it would have called back to Sonic CD without just repeating it.

    • @snailgirl6
      @snailgirl6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      As per usual, Sega and/or Sonic Team had a good Sonic game idea, and...then they just don't...

    • @mobilesuitjesse
      @mobilesuitjesse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Hey Geek Critique nice to see you here in s SCMJ video

    • @AniGaAG
      @AniGaAG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      True. Modern technology could've made for some _sick-smooth_ transitions as well, sending you just smoothly flinging back and forth between different time stages.
      And always nice to hear from you, Josh.

    • @ChipsCST
      @ChipsCST 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@snailgirl6 They just see sale numbers and think “WELP! No one bought it. NEXT IDEA GO!” But now with the incoming Sonic Colors Remaster, this shows that yes, Sega DOES acknowledge past titles, for good or worst (though Colors was one of the good ones).
      I’m now just scared for whatever new (or remastered?) Sonic game they teased oh-so long ago..

    • @dr6559
      @dr6559 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ChipsCST And they botched the port somehow.

  • @averytubestudios
    @averytubestudios 2 ปีที่แล้ว +481

    "The 69 attack" I laughed at that way harder than I should've.

    • @aionicthunder
      @aionicthunder 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I was honestly dreading it: nearly everyone I know who’s done Sonic 4 Episode II referred to it as the 69 attack and I just wanted Johnny to be a bit less immature

    • @jacobmonks3722
      @jacobmonks3722 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      @@aionicthunder Can't really help it seeing as...that's exactly what it is. At least Johnny took the joke farther than anyone else.

    • @Tiggster-qr8mw
      @Tiggster-qr8mw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I’m pretty sure he called it that in his original video

    • @BComet
      @BComet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      nice

    • @Substantial-hf1rm
      @Substantial-hf1rm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      @@aionicthunder We're a bunch of nerds watching another nerd reviewing a game about two colorful cartoon animals fighting robots, maturity was never on the table.

  • @theluigifan1
    @theluigifan1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +253

    I saw the bootleg Sonic 6 posted over on Facebook and somebody commented “What happened to 4 and 5?”
    We’ve reached a point in time where it’s become easy to forget about Sonic 4 now. Wew.

    • @NimhLabs
      @NimhLabs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Like how they never made any sequels to the Matrix! The Wachowski Sisters knew the ending was perfect, and the story was handled good--and any further sequels would only serve to dilute the power of the Matrix and mess up the narrative

    • @Kenpokid4
      @Kenpokid4 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@NimhLabs This is Animatrix slander

    • @mjc0961
      @mjc0961 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NimhLabs Correct.

    • @Chernobog2
      @Chernobog2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The trailer for Sonic Mania seems to suggest that it's replaced 4 as the 4th classic game

    • @lworthy2518
      @lworthy2518 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Chernobog2 Sooo, Sonic 4, ep. 1 & 2 = Dragon Ball GT? Got it.

  • @SAPProd
    @SAPProd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +422

    As a casual Sonic fan, I’m finally glad to learn the history of the production, the marketing shenanigans, and why it’s not held in the same regard as the classics. Thank you.

  • @justkiet
    @justkiet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    17:13 this small part HURT, you can tell Johnny is just tired of this shit man.

    • @SabeNo-rh7mb
      @SabeNo-rh7mb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      That's what happens when you got people in authority who care way more about profit and quantities over quality. Sega doesn't get that. And at this point, I don't think they ever will. Even Nintendo, for all their faults and hubris, still know how to keep the quality of their star franchises up there, *especially* their mascot.

    • @captinsparklezremix
      @captinsparklezremix 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rangers is going to make the feeling even worse. Sonic Team are a bunch of talentless manatees.

    • @justkiet
      @justkiet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@SabeNo-rh7mb Idk, Sega has seen huge critical acclaim in most their franchises as of late. I think it's something else...

    • @justkiet
      @justkiet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@captinsparklezremix I wouldn't say they're talentless. Look at the other games some of the Devs have made outside of the Sonic series.

    • @SmashSSL
      @SmashSSL 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SabeNo-rh7mb You do know Nintendo made Mario 3d all stars last year and skyward sword hd this year....

  • @Salim-RS
    @Salim-RS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +197

    If I can thank Sonic 4 on any front, it made me appreciate retro games that much more when I was like 12.
    Used to enjoy the game, but once I tried Sonic 1 to 3&k at the time, my young brain asked "Why does this feel more fun than the newest title ?"
    But we now have Mania blessing us so now all is well

    • @otsu3011
      @otsu3011 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Sonic Mania basically destroy sonic 4 in all perspective

  • @NoahMonroe_
    @NoahMonroe_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +156

    17:13 Johnny actually sounds more exhausted here than during his day-long Sunshine streams. I feel that, after so many inconsistent years, but damn.

    • @SabeNo-rh7mb
      @SabeNo-rh7mb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Can you blame him? Sonic is one of his favorite franchises of all time. To see a series he grew up with go down the tube all because the people who own the IP care way more about shameless profits and quantities (so much to the point that they seemingly *Refuse* to hire more competent people who can do it justice) over actual quality has left him disillusioned. As someone who was introduced to the series with SA2B, I tried to defend Sega for the longest, but even I gave up after a while when it seemed like they were just too prideful to learn from their mistakes. *Even Clement was going to abandon the series before Unleashed came out.*

    • @NoahMonroe_
      @NoahMonroe_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@SabeNo-rh7mb As I said, I feel that, it's more that it hurts to see the guy so beaten down.

    • @jaretco6423
      @jaretco6423 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Yeah. I'm not an Sonic fan myself. But even I admit that the blue blur has been having an field day. He started off great. But than gets down with dumps. He has been really solid again, but not long started to go down into the junk pile. It makes me sad seeing an recognizable series having it's up & downs and it was mostly an letdown. Hope he'll find some way to recover.

    • @NoahMonroe_
      @NoahMonroe_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@jaretco6423 It's very appropriate that the series has a thing for casino levels, because each game ends up being a damn roulette wheel on whether it'll be bad, amazing, or meh.

    • @retron99
      @retron99 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Blame Sega for being a bunch of incompetent failures.

  • @legendarycryptid2629
    @legendarycryptid2629 2 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    8:40 The experience is so dull, he doesn't even flip out over Slicers...

  • @DylanDude
    @DylanDude 2 ปีที่แล้ว +143

    14:35 Don’t forget the SGB playthrough!
    Poor Elliot. Never got cut a break during these 2D games.

    • @tailsprower8118
      @tailsprower8118 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      No. No he did not. Getting a game over in World 1-1 will probably be forever the worst thing he’s done

    • @holyrogue7811
      @holyrogue7811 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@tailsprower8118 I don't know, Elliot dying in a Switch Palace is probably worse

    • @jrhamari
      @jrhamari 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@holyrogue7811 Though to be perfectly fair though why did that switch palace have a bottomless pit? It just made no sense.

    • @tailsprower8118
      @tailsprower8118 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@holyrogue7811 oh yeah I forgot that! Fuckin’ hell Elliot 🤣

    • @Sonicfalcon16
      @Sonicfalcon16 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cradh 3 aswell but then elliot came back and did really well

  • @TheBrokenMadMan
    @TheBrokenMadMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    Holy shit, that editing took an already funny review and turned it up to 11. Johnny, please hire Lewis again, he's really talented!

    • @2000mphgirl
      @2000mphgirl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      that's so awesome lewis edited this! it's so cool seeing how far the bsc crew has come!

  • @BugsyFoga
    @BugsyFoga 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    “The friends are just collateral damage “
    - Johnny

  • @DanJilek
    @DanJilek 2 ปีที่แล้ว +178

    What I like about these revisits are all the research segments Johnny has placed in, I never knew about that Sonic The Portable for years! Well done John!

  • @DoctorMinjinx
    @DoctorMinjinx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Man I had no idea about Sonic 4's original history. You know it's dull when Johnny can't even muster up care for Slicers.

  • @funnysonicman
    @funnysonicman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    Even as a kid, I thought this game was weird. Before I really knew what a lot of proper Sonic physics, graphics, music, etc. were like, this game just felt off to me.

    • @tyminator8176
      @tyminator8176 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It's you!

    • @CoalWurld
      @CoalWurld 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tyminator8176 Nah it’s definitely the game.

    • @splashor6361
      @splashor6361 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CoalWurld What if I told you it was actually ME?

    • @funnysonicman
      @funnysonicman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CoalWurld Sorry, he meant that he recognized me. I make things sometimes.

  • @JJ_R
    @JJ_R 2 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    8:37 Johnny said Slicers *without* losing his shit?! Is he becoming desensitized?!

    • @laurenchinsphealsupremacis9978
      @laurenchinsphealsupremacis9978 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      He has overcome his ptsd. What great character development.

    • @smashmaster521
      @smashmaster521 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      It's probably because they're a joke in Sonic 4.

    • @gameman250
      @gameman250 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      It's Sonic 4, not even that game can make Slicers elicit the same reaction.

  • @PersianSlashuur
    @PersianSlashuur 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    17:14 to 17:22
    Man...
    I genuinely felt like a part of my soul _died_ while listening to this part.
    It's like...any kind of optimism I had just...evaporated.
    ...I think I need to be alone for a while.

  • @cliffturbo2146
    @cliffturbo2146 2 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    It has always been a mystery to me how Dimps, the team that had made Rush and Advance games, could make such mediocrity.

    • @WickedKnightAlbel
      @WickedKnightAlbel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Budget, presumably

    • @ctpp64
      @ctpp64 2 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      when you make a half decent mobile game but sonic team is like, "aight we changed our mind make this into a console game in a few months lol"

    • @cliffturbo2146
      @cliffturbo2146 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@ctpp64 Dimps: God dammit Sega, make up your mind!

    • @cixlo
      @cixlo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Coding commandos are Cheap & Quick. Say what you will about cheap and quick but it is profitable most of the time. 8 months for lost world 3ds.

    • @mjc0961
      @mjc0961 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Because, look at Rush and Advance. Nothing but mediocrity there too. No mystery at all. All DIMPS games are the same: dash pads, springs, and bottomless pits.

  • @RisingJericho
    @RisingJericho ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wait... Little Planet is inside the Death Egg...
    Did Eggman technically build a Dyson Sphere?

  • @metashade4218
    @metashade4218 2 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    Not gonna lie, Sonic 4 honestly made me appreciate the NSMB games more for staying true to their classic 2D Mario feel & gameplay.

    • @BH-98
      @BH-98 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      That & none of them were trying to be flat out follow ups to the NES/SNES games, just new 2d modern Mario games

    • @ikagura
      @ikagura 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      NSMB are overhated by petty and entitled people

    • @ikagura
      @ikagura 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BH-98 And then again Mario Bros 2 didn't follow the first in the west

    • @jlev1028
      @jlev1028 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BH-98 *cough* New Super Mario Bros 4 *cough*

    • @BH-98
      @BH-98 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jlev1028 New Super Mario brps 4 doesn’t exist

  • @rouge939
    @rouge939 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    This is like the only Sonic game I never see people defend.

    • @Lunalite
      @Lunalite 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Well honestly I'd say it's because even people who enjoy it just see it as painfully mediocre so there's not really anything to defend
      Personally I sort of like the music but that's the only thing I'll defend

    • @shockvalue5086
      @shockvalue5086 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I see EPISODE 2 as a good game when I detach it from the classics
      Episode 1-just no just a bad mobile game and a even worse console experience even in 2010 I thought it was just regurgitated sonic 1 with toy graphics,nothing redeemable except the compositions which did get repetitive
      Overall though i want the graphics of episode 2 with the level design and physics of mania that’s my dream 2D sonic game

  • @asbelirving5536
    @asbelirving5536 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    "they can- they SHOUDN'T ignore that"... i felt that.

  • @tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32
    @tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    ...it feels weird hearing Johnny talking about this game when he straight up abandoned both games.

  • @papersonic9941
    @papersonic9941 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Fun fact: Mr Needlemouse was a mistranslation, it was meant to be Mr Hedgehog. So the codename for this shoddy knockoff of the Genesis games is a name that wasn't ever really Sonic's.
    How appropriate

  • @RepublicOfUs
    @RepublicOfUs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Watching Dana Carvey's face slowly fade into frame with all the SEGA guys made me laugh much harder than it should've.

  • @oguzhangungor9117
    @oguzhangungor9117 2 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    Before I start, congratulations to Lewis for starting a new career. The video was really well edited, the footage complimented Johnny's script EXTREMELY well.
    Sonic 4 failed what Mega Man 9 and 10 succeeded. While those games introduced new level themes and went away with a lot of the problems in the previous classic games; momentum and slow latter climb from MM1 and 2, being unable to jump out of a slide while underwater from 4 and 5 (or period in 6), increased I-frames for the bosses that was introduced just to make the charge shot seem more useful, rush jet being able to take damage from 7 etc...
    They also kept the good stuff like the better menu from 4 and onward, and the overall classic Mega Man feeling ON top of having some of the best weapons in the series and having multiple characters. P.S 9,10 and 11 are my favorite Classic Mega Man games.
    Meanwhile, Sonic 4 only had 1 character, fucked up the physics and the momentum based game-play and a whole lot of other unique stuff from the classic games. It also has a REALLY boring art-style, if I am honest. If you are not going back to the classics, at least do what Mega Man 11 did and be stylized. We have Mania now, so who cares.

    • @Super_Suchi
      @Super_Suchi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I think the only thing 9 and 10 faltered in was removing the charge and slide. Feel like they didn’t need to do that. 11 definitely made a good decision to add those back.

    • @theminecraft2516
      @theminecraft2516 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I’m sorry but 8-bit graphics aged so bad for me, Megaman 9 should have used 16 bit graphics like the X games

    • @jaretco6423
      @jaretco6423 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah. Mega Man 9, 10 & 11 felt like an old style, yet newly Mega Man games than Sonic 4 has.

    • @ctpp64
      @ctpp64 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      the music was also still as good as ever, while sonic 4 fucked it up

    • @shockvalue5086
      @shockvalue5086 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ctpp64 sonic mania isn’t above the any of the classic except cd and 1

  • @ToastyMann
    @ToastyMann 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Imagine if Crash 4 had like 12 levels, all of the bosses were repeats from the PS1 games, and the ending is just the same ending as Crash 1. That's Sonic 4.

    • @Squishito
      @Squishito 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      And also the gameplay and physics are horribly mangled and Crash's basic abilities don't even work and instead of spinning into enemies he uses his melee attacks from the tattoo games and he uses that design too and the music is absolute dogshit and they release it episodically and none of the other characters or old features were there. That's Sonic 4.

    • @MSCLeap75
      @MSCLeap75 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Squishito Also imagine if instead of Crash sending enemies flying fast straight into foes & crates with his spin like in the original, his spin instead lobs them in the air like 3 feet away(like in Twinsanity). Plus Aku Aku not protecting Crash from tnts & nitros like before in the originals, or invincibility not having music & sucks at protecting Crash(also Twinsanity). Lastly Crash taking damage while jumping on enemies. That's Sonic 4.

    • @ikagura
      @ikagura 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      At least there are less bad Crash game (aside from the post Naughty Dogs ones)

    • @URFTBOUND4LIFE
      @URFTBOUND4LIFE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Squishito You just reminded me how bad Twinsanity was....

    • @jaretco6423
      @jaretco6423 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      URF. Twinsanity wasn't that bad.

  • @MegaManNeo
    @MegaManNeo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I remember having quite fun with Episode 1.
    However, now that Mania exists I don't bother going back.
    Plus, SEGA's idea to name the game Sonic4 because of marketing makes it... less good.

  • @LunarWingCloud
    @LunarWingCloud 2 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    Lewis did a great job editing for this one. You can tell the experience and long-term friendship you guys have because it blends really well with your video style.

  • @rivet3078
    @rivet3078 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Great re-review of Sonic 4 Johnny, and... at long last! The final BSC member made it into a Vs. video, and as editor no less! Stellar work there Lewis, hope we get to see you again in the role!

    • @toonzach2870
      @toonzach2870 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is not Lewis's Johnny Vs. debut. I know Johnny has kind of disowned this video, but his old Vs. on Final Fantasy XIV was a collab with Lewis.

    • @BH-98
      @BH-98 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      & yet he still hasn’t had a smash card intro

  • @BradsGonnaPlay
    @BradsGonnaPlay 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I’ll never forget that the first time I booted up this game on my Wii after downloading- knowing nothing about it and being amazed to see it- and thinking it was a student-made game

  • @jbbajangamer
    @jbbajangamer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Honestly I enjoy when somebody is able to critique something without making me feel like they’re hyperexaggerating all the time, and the opinions feel genuine instead of basically being the same thing some other guy had already said a million times over

  • @rocketrifter
    @rocketrifter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    15:38 "What can you do?"
    Ad: "She knows exactly what she can do."

  • @Njsmooth60
    @Njsmooth60 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    12:08 "Sorry Wii owners"
    It's fine, store shut down anyways so... _scoffs_

  • @KewlSokudo
    @KewlSokudo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    so does this mean we're missing out on a remade Sonic 3CD & Knuckles & Knuckles review?

  • @Jtmissile
    @Jtmissile 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Who else has their early copy of Sonic 4? Those special stages were nuts.

    • @Jtmissile
      @Jtmissile 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@diydylana3151
      Chances are you've probably found the video but I'll explain anyway. Before episode 1 came out, Johnny and Eliot made an April Fools joke video where they got an early review copy of the game. It's really funny and I recommend giving it a watch.

  • @theshadowdirector
    @theshadowdirector 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The story bebind these games sounds like classic Matt McMuscles material.

    • @retrofan93
      @retrofan93 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ironically, I have been getting into his videos a lot lately, and it has truly open my eyes to how much bullshit there is in the video game industry.

  • @YoungPringle46583
    @YoungPringle46583 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    S/O to Lewis for his editing job on this video! Great stuff-loved the energy of this video due to his work!

  • @yam9195
    @yam9195 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    i remember those animations. i also remember that animation called sonic generashorts and sonic stop motion adventures. god bless those animations they were childhood in the 2010s as well as sonic nazo unleashed

  • @neroneroren6788
    @neroneroren6788 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Episode 2 is a huge improvement over 1, but I remember vividly finishing the game with a big headache due the music

    • @CragusMaximus19
      @CragusMaximus19 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ye, awful soundtrack

    • @ikagura
      @ikagura 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Slightly less trash doesn't mean it's not trash

    • @digimonlover1632
      @digimonlover1632 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ikaguraThat’s your opinion. I have to agree with Nero.

  • @Fabriciod_Crv
    @Fabriciod_Crv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Sonic team is still on this ''Sonic only'' schtick to this day.

    • @retron99
      @retron99 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      06 really traumatized them

    • @Fabriciod_Crv
      @Fabriciod_Crv 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@retron99 that was also like, 16 years ago, they should've moved on already

  • @kgddrago3752
    @kgddrago3752 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I still love that the sonic mania trailer just pretends that sonic 4 doesn't exist on that elevator lol.

    • @tracyndiyob162
      @tracyndiyob162 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i love that as well as it's ending kinda being a take that to episode 2's lame cliffanger.(which ended with little planet still in the death egg where eggman could just restart it while you save little planet in mania's ending.:3)

    • @cakelayer
      @cakelayer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      it wasnt intentional lmao, whats up with EVERYBODY hating sonic 4 like its the necronomicon of sonic games

  • @AnkfordPlays
    @AnkfordPlays 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I remember telling people "just you wait, Sonic 4 will revive the series!" when the announcement came out

  • @General_Q
    @General_Q 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    sometimes i sit at the beginning just to listen to your amazing theme song johnny

  • @TFSned
    @TFSned 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "If they locked the next main entry to mobile phones, fans would go apeshit".
    Time is a flat circle. I'm glad I still haven't used my free trial for Apple Arcade.

  • @fignatoli-guevara5826
    @fignatoli-guevara5826 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    By the way, fun fact, Sonic 4 Episode 2 was the second to last Sonic game Dimps developed, with the last Sonic game Dimps developed being the 3DS version of Sonic Lost World.

  • @RemLasher77
    @RemLasher77 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So that’s why Sonic could stand on wall in Sonic 4: Episode I it was the remnants of the original mobile game’s roots.

  • @cibby6155
    @cibby6155 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In an alternate universe, these games were called “Sonic Mania” and Sonic Mania was called “Sonic the Hedgehog 4”

  • @cibby6155
    @cibby6155 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Even when I already thought this game was inadequate as a sequel to the Genesis games, Sonic Mania comes along and becomes the final nail in this game’s coffin.

  • @Evan.280
    @Evan.280 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I remember being super excited for Sonic 4 back in 2010. Now I think it’s just not good and am happy with Sonic Mania being released

  • @anthonymorden728
    @anthonymorden728 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    6:17 this is why I like this guy so much! Thank you Johnny for your quality and objective reviews! I'm a long time listener and I like to use your videos to help determine if I want to try a game of not.

  • @thetruewisegamer
    @thetruewisegamer ปีที่แล้ว +6

    12:01 ok Johnny did you add that thing near eggman what the absolute hell is it?

  • @apollorock3r244
    @apollorock3r244 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    13:59 Gotta love that he still calls that the 69 Attack from the previous review of Episode II. XD

  • @andrewbaxter64
    @andrewbaxter64 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Do you guys remember when the game was revealed and people went berserk over Sonic’s modern design? I think this was one of the main factors of the whole ‘classic vs modern design’ war in the fan base.
    Oh my god, does anyone remember AKnotholeResident?

    • @y2commenter246
      @y2commenter246 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You've uncovered uncomfortable memories I forgot I even had.

  • @Gameguy26
    @Gameguy26 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Damn man, gotta say that the editing was super on point in this video. Really accentuated the finer parts of the review while helping a lot of Johnny's jokes land all the better. A very enjoyable watch from start to end.
    - Smartass commenter

  • @marblethunder4323
    @marblethunder4323 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    "I am of the firm cynical belief that the reason that it was called Sonic the Hedgehog 4 was simply to push units. And the reason it went multiplatform was because if they did lock the next numbered entry behind mobile phones fans would collectively go ape-shit."
    "Do you guys not have phones?"

    • @retrofan93
      @retrofan93 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've never really cared for anything created by blizzard, but I think about that comment more and more, even before the lawsuit coming to light and all the bullshit surrounding it, and it legit makes me angry on behalf of the fans.

  • @skyhawk9710
    @skyhawk9710 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I remember when Screwattack hyped this up at SGC 2010 like it was the biggest game ever. Funny (and sad) looking back.

    • @toonzach2870
      @toonzach2870 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Funny, I was always under the impression that they hated Sonic.

    • @ikagura
      @ikagura 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@toonzach2870 So?

  • @LizardOfOz69
    @LizardOfOz69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Bro, the Metal Sonic theme is lit. I can't believe you lumped it in with the rest of the 4 OST.

    • @SnaksiXD
      @SnaksiXD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Facts.

    • @LizardOfOz69
      @LizardOfOz69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@SnaksiXD I just feel his Mania bias has basically impacted my enjoyment of this video. The 4 games are just ok, and yet he acts like this is another low point that can stand toe to toe with freaking 06'. Even if he didn't mean that, that is the vibe I'm getting.

    • @Super_Suchi
      @Super_Suchi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@LizardOfOz69 Bro he was really not that hard on sonic 4. Watch Cybershell’s video if you really want to see someone being harsh on Sonic 4.

    • @shinji2898
      @shinji2898 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      same with episode 2 being less original, i feel it revamps existing concepts way better than the first episode tbh

    • @LizardOfOz69
      @LizardOfOz69 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Super_Suchi in a way, saying that something is soulless (even if it is true) is more depressing than someone shitting on it. I feel like he can't judge the games without thinking of the title. The only thing that is "soulless" is SEGA's decision to change the name and make it a multi-platform title.

  • @jojoharder6906
    @jojoharder6906 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Johnny I just wanna say thank you for doing what you do man, idk why but for some reason in the past year or so this channel has become a sort of comfort zone for me, whenever I'm feeling anxious or nervous, I just put the Vs. Playlist on Shuffle and watch/listen away. And in a time in the middle of my college years where shit is stressful as hell and most of my closest friends just left for this semester, anxiety and stress is at an all time high. So thank you so much for what you do, I can't imagine how my life would be without this channel, never thought I'd say that ab some channel on TH-cam of all things haha.

  • @pizzacade8594
    @pizzacade8594 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    4:09 "Needle mouse" is actually a mistranslation of the Japanese word for "hedgehog," and wasn't actually an early name for Sonic.

    • @peenywallie
      @peenywallie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's insane how prevalent this little "factoid" is, despite being so obviously wrong.

    • @NimhLabs
      @NimhLabs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Mistranslations have become a part of the gaming aesthetic--especially retro gaming related stuff. Two good examples are: "A winner is you" and "All your base are belong to us"
      You should know this, you spoony bard

    • @DirectorOfChaos9292
      @DirectorOfChaos9292 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'd like proof there

    • @retrofan93
      @retrofan93 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@NimhLabs Ah, "spoony bard", a phrase so iconic that even years after better translation efforts, it is still included.

    • @pizzacade8594
      @pizzacade8594 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DirectorOfChaos9292 This video th-cam.com/video/4PLXVCrLrrk/w-d-xo.html at 5:47

  • @BoomingInfernape
    @BoomingInfernape 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This game has the Phantom Menace effect, where people thought was okay at the time but now it's a joke.

    • @vanadium8865
      @vanadium8865 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Maybe it’s just me but I feel that people nowadays see the Phantom Menace in a better light, especially when you consider the overall reception to the sequel trilogy

    • @BradTheDead
      @BradTheDead 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The thing about TPM is that people were rabid with excitement up to its release. It didn't become clear that it was bad until it was out. Sonic 4 though was constantly raising red flags as it was being marketed, and a near-finished build prolifically leaked months in advance, which confirmed people's fears about it being an unworthy sequel.
      Sonic 4 didn't get a similar hype cycle to TPM since it wasn't even TRYING to give off the veneer of a worthy follow up. TPM at least had trailers that indicated proper production values and music.

    • @vanadium8865
      @vanadium8865 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BradTheDead Also, Sonic 4 came out in the aftermath of games like Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic 06, Sonic and the Secret Rings and Sonic and the Black Knight meaning that fans at this point were probably used to getting disappointed. I was too young to see people’s reaction to Sonic 4 but I can only imagine how cautious the hype was for this game if there was any

    • @okagron
      @okagron 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vanadium8865 The prequels and sequels are bad but for different reasons. The only reason people are being kinder to the prequels is just a bandwagon because for literally over 15 years, the prequels got rightfully shat on for being an embarrasement to the original trilogy (and i don't even much care for those movies). Now that something just as bad came out, it's "cool" to think that the prequels are somehow better.
      Wait 10 years and the inevitable new trilogy will get shit on and the sequels will looked upon favorably by the same people that trash them at release.

  • @taelorwest3707
    @taelorwest3707 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Been watching you and sgb since 2012, I’m glad you’re still making content💯💪🏽

    • @Omar_E11
      @Omar_E11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The best reviewer on TH-cam!

  • @AwijoshSun
    @AwijoshSun 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Ken tried so hard to market this game. You could tell he knew the game was soulless, too

  • @gxtor9243
    @gxtor9243 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    @SomecallmeJohnny should totally tackle the DKC series in the future👀

  • @zeospark9715
    @zeospark9715 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    5:15 LOL that barrel really wanted to hog the spotlight to itself

  • @agenttex5973
    @agenttex5973 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Who remembers when the final boss was Chuck Norris in his kitchen, while also cooking Pork?

  • @gamermanx3096
    @gamermanx3096 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    “Sonic 4 as we truly imagined it”

  • @Ronnie06spartan
    @Ronnie06spartan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    For me Sonic 4's main issue was the title. If it would've been called literally anything else, I wouldn't have as big of an issue with it, but calling it "Sonic 4" gave it really high expectations. Those were huge shoes to fill, and it didn't live up to the name. It wasn't *that* bad, but it absolutely pales in comparison to Sonic 1-3. I mostly hated the awful physics in episode 1, and the unoriginal zones that were basically just offbrand versions of classic stages. Still wish they'd re-release Sonic 4 with both episodes together in one package, and maybe some fixed physics for episode 1. Still feel that Mania is basically the true Sonic 4 lol

    • @sterlingmuse5808
      @sterlingmuse5808 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Not just the title. They put SO much into the marketing for this game too. I bet they were hoping to get an easy New Super Mario Bros response but weren't willing to put enough money in to actually do that.

    • @jaretco6423
      @jaretco6423 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As unoriginal as NSMB are, even they had some detail quality than this.

    • @Tobunari
      @Tobunari 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      And because of that we got the terrible viral video that is aknotholeresident (Richard Kuta) complaining about Green Eyed Sonic, and that inevitably led to Classic Sonic

    • @eyeconqueror1185
      @eyeconqueror1185 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jaretco6423 that series ran itself dry but the games themselves were all very competently made

  • @HoudiniJr
    @HoudiniJr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Beautiful work as always, and much love to Lewis for his editing skills! He did an amazing job here!

  • @skeletongwen
    @skeletongwen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    To any younger fans who missed out on the sonic 4 experience at launch, i recall a popular video that explained that if u input the homing attack late, your airdash would re-roll u into a ball to hit enemies to maintain the flow of the originals.
    Our copium during these times was hardcore

  • @slaper12x
    @slaper12x 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Perfect timing, I just got back from shopping and now get to unwind with some Johnny goodness!

    • @34_Israel
      @34_Israel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Did you buy some Raycons?

    • @slaper12x
      @slaper12x 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@34_Israel Pfft, I've actually owned a pair of black ones for years 🤣

  • @SmashSSL
    @SmashSSL 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Internet: makes... questionable sonic fanart
    Sega: Sonic and Tails shall canonically 69

  • @HarpiePlayerJoeHPJ
    @HarpiePlayerJoeHPJ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Man this is Lewis first time editing and what a job amazing job Lewis

  • @gustavorodriguez5643
    @gustavorodriguez5643 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Been having a couple of rough days recently, and these vids always cheer me up.
    Thanks, Johnny. ❤

  • @BugsyFoga
    @BugsyFoga 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The fact that Sega took a simple mobile game and rebranded it to Sonic 4 to sell numbers is a pretty hilarious thing to know.

  • @kirbdabirb5627
    @kirbdabirb5627 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Almost like it was suposed to be a mobile game"
    This single sentence sums up Sonic 4 ep 1/2

  • @austinstewart7601
    @austinstewart7601 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    00:40 I find it funny that the carpet is so sparkly clean and then there's just a lump of a man laying full spread in the middle.

  • @nintendork8437
    @nintendork8437 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Congrats on 400K! I've been a longtime fan of this channel and these videos are always enjoyable to watch.

  • @SuspiciousScout
    @SuspiciousScout ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I can't help but feel this "series" was nothing but wasted potential. Despite how negatively received Episode 1 was, Episode 2 felt like the devs took all the criticisms people had and tried to fix them as best they could. The visuals, controls, level design, everything was at least a little bit improved from Episode 1, and with some more time I think it could've started to live up to the reputation of being called Sonic 4. This was entirely on Sega for forcing a spinoff mobile game into something bigger than it was supposed to be.

  • @jrisjris
    @jrisjris 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I have over 20 hours in sonic 4 episode 1 and I do not know entirely why. I loved that game, and still go back to it every now and then. I genuinely think if it was titled anything other than sonic 4 it would be looked at in a more positive light. But sega did a sega.

  • @expcake
    @expcake 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    man watching you take on these games again for videos really shows how your style has improved for the better over the years

  • @NoahMonroe_
    @NoahMonroe_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Also, love the edits in this vid, I cracked up at several points. Well done, Lewis!

  • @Real_Amphy
    @Real_Amphy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    5:13 Sonic 06 still showing me new bugs 15 years later

  • @jakezubrod7906
    @jakezubrod7906 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So in other words, it's only Sonic 4 in name only.

  • @thegoodreview7854
    @thegoodreview7854 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Man those Auctioneer lessons are really paying off, I thought I had this video on 2x speed during the sponsored AD part of the video

  • @FireSonosuke
    @FireSonosuke 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Alright, I'm loving all the editing that Lewis did for this video. Kudos to the both of you.

  • @platinumdiamond1445
    @platinumdiamond1445 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Real men know Sonic 4 is actually Sonic Mania!

    • @laurenchinsphealsupremacis9978
      @laurenchinsphealsupremacis9978 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It's the same for us real women. We know that mania is the true sonic 4.

    • @NyctobloomCreations4658
      @NyctobloomCreations4658 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sonic Advance series

    • @laurenchinsphealsupremacis9978
      @laurenchinsphealsupremacis9978 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NyctobloomCreations4658 The advance trilogy is great and it was my introduction to the series, so it has a very special place in my heart but mania is better imo.

    • @NyctobloomCreations4658
      @NyctobloomCreations4658 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@laurenchinsphealsupremacis9978 Yea I won't argue with that, but it was for some time, considered to be the spiritual successor to 3&K

    • @kiernanhowell-mackinley1733
      @kiernanhowell-mackinley1733 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NyctobloomCreations4658 It can be Sonic the Hedgehog 5 now

  • @rajend8
    @rajend8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    2:16 oh my... absolutely ruthless editing haha. kudos

  • @alexlovehall7796
    @alexlovehall7796 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I peep the editing improvements. Never seen that before and I like it. Also, as a longtime fan, it's nice to see you go back to old videos sometimes. Keep up the good work

  • @wyatthines8690
    @wyatthines8690 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your videos increase in quality every single release. One of the best on the platform! Thx John

  • @michaelhernandez1841
    @michaelhernandez1841 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can we all admit that Sonic Mania is the TRUE Sonic 4

  • @thegreatgatzby1997
    @thegreatgatzby1997 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Johnny time again!!
    I've been loving these Sonic reviews so much!

  • @BLUECHAOSEMERALD_
    @BLUECHAOSEMERALD_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Even SEGA doesn’t want to acknowledge Sonic 4’s Existence. They completely left it out of the Sonic 30th Symphony and didn’t even show it in Sonic Manias Announcement.

  • @travis8106
    @travis8106 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:09 Johnny- Am I going crazy or is that Dana Carvey?