EVERY Time Signature EXPLAINED (using Nintendo Music)

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2024
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    Let's talk about (almost) every time signature from 1/4 - 31/16 using Nintendo music! MUSIC THEORY
    Thanks again to my sister for Mario Odyssey, Breath of the Wild, and Splatoon 2 gameplay.
    00:00 Intro
    03:37 1/4
    04:12 2/4
    05:56 3/4
    07:13 4/4
    08:51 5/4
    10:41 6/8
    11:57 7/4
    13:36 8/8
    13:51 9/8
    15:01 10/8
    16:22 11/8
    18:28 12/8
    20:16 13/8
    21:55 14/16
    23:22 15/16
    25:28 Intermission
    25:45 21/16
    27:32 23/8
    28:58 24/8
    29:57 31/16
    31:24 Outro
    Tunes used:
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  • @CadenceHira
    @CadenceHira  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1741

    TEARS OF THE KINGDOM SPOILERS ON 23/8. SKIP TO 28:58 TO AVOID That is completely my bad, ironically I have no perception of time and thought the game was out long enough.
    Also Final Fantasy VII spoiler from 4:20-4:27 but cmon now the game has been out for almost 30 years and is THE most video game spoiler spoiler.

    • @TheFlashyLucario
      @TheFlashyLucario 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

      I haven’t watched and I already know which FF7 spoiler it is lol

    • @Apotheosis0
      @Apotheosis0 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      Why are people crying over TOTK spoilers when it’s the next year?

    • @Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy
      @Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      The game was out 7 months ago cmon

    • @arcanelizard4646
      @arcanelizard4646 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +92

      @@Apotheosis0because some of us can’t afford to buy the game on release and still want to experience it fresh when we can finally get it for ourselves

    • @color_of_twilight
      @color_of_twilight 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Tbh iirc the ff7 spoiler was in the back of the boxart lmao

  • @AndrewsVideoEssays-yl3pb
    @AndrewsVideoEssays-yl3pb 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +787

    Ahh, finally. A good video explaining time signatures in a clear, concise way. If there are any Great Value Blueberry jumpscares, I’m going to scream.

    • @skychaserthedragon2046
      @skychaserthedragon2046 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      Do you wanna talk about it?

    • @kugelblitz1557
      @kugelblitz1557 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      I get all bounty mega roll jump scares 😂. Sometimes less than a minute apart.

    • @thatdudewiththeplant
      @thatdudewiththeplant 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Uhh, I should probably say something...

  • @andreworders7305
    @andreworders7305 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1361

    Splatoon’s Frothy waters has a time signature that increases every bar, making it use 10:8, 11:8, 12:8, 13:8, 14:8, 15:8, 16:8, 17:8, 18:8, 19:8, 20:8, 21:8, 22:8, 23:8, 24:8, and 25:8 all in one song.

    • @necron4306
      @necron4306 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      Cool!

    • @duckbuster6391
      @duckbuster6391 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Dang

    • @Idiomatick
      @Idiomatick 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

      Not nintendo but gilded runner in genshin impact does this too.

    • @SeegYT
      @SeegYT 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Thank you for sharing this! That was a gnarly experience!

    • @crimezone3865
      @crimezone3865 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      that's actually insane

  • @Jeannie-Coffey
    @Jeannie-Coffey 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +125

    The reason why you get such strange time signatures almost exclusively for final boss themes is to in contrast with the rest of the games music, put you off balance and enhance the drama by being so different from the more comfortable time signatures you find in house settings, protagonist themes etc. It enhances the direness of the situation

  • @ace131484
    @ace131484 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +753

    Awesome music theory knowledge, and then...
    "Prime example"
    "This fusion"
    "Feeling of dread"
    3 Metroid puns in one sentence, you hooked me. Subscribed

    • @sebaschan-uwu
      @sebaschan-uwu หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Gamer learns that words actually have meanings in real life scenarios

    • @honeycrisp808
      @honeycrisp808 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      @@sebaschan-uwu They were intentional puns put in by the scriptwriter. Nice try though.

    • @sebaschan-uwu
      @sebaschan-uwu หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@honeycrisp808 so?

    • @dazza2350
      @dazza2350 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sebaschan-uwu lmao true

    • @xcentric_gaming9264
      @xcentric_gaming9264 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Samus: *proceeds to fall offstage*

  • @zeropointer125
    @zeropointer125 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1600

    I think my favourite weird time signature is Frothy Waters from Splatoon 3.
    After the intro, it goes into a 10/8, then 11/8 for the next bar, then 12/8 for the bar after that, then 13/8, 14/8 etc.
    It just loops a melody adding another repeating eigth note every bar and it's is just... beautiful

    • @ha-harmony
      @ha-harmony 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +210

      Splatoon is such a goldmine for fun time signatures... both Deluge Dirge and Don't Slip have a 7/8 time signature c:

    • @squiddler7731
      @squiddler7731 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +113

      ​​@@ha-harmony not to mention bait and click, being 3/4. Not that special on it's own, but the fact that it's a corruption of 4/4 song that's had it's time signature remixed is so cool.

    • @grandre3464
      @grandre3464 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      @@ha-harmony Those two are my favorite splatoon songs to play on the drums lol

    • @TheOnlyKreator1
      @TheOnlyKreator1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      Frantic Aspic is the flagship of Splatoon's music imo. 5/4 with a dissolved meter and offbeat triplets is something I haven't found anywhere else

    • @usershavenames
      @usershavenames 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      "Story 2" by Hip-Hop Group clipping. does something like this starting at 3/8, then 4/8... all the way to 8/8, then changing the pace & putting the 8/8 into triplets before restarting back at 3/8 & repeating.

  • @PIMKAMINA2
    @PIMKAMINA2 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +146

    it's incredible that music theory has managed to break down and categorize something that for the most part comes down to Vibes

  • @3f4gs4s
    @3f4gs4s หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    Time signatures is a way for your band teacher to torture you without getting arrested.

  • @krackerjackism
    @krackerjackism 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +257

    I had no idea Moon was in 15/16. It sounds so clean and pure that I just assumed it was 4/4

    • @Gelatinocyte2
      @Gelatinocyte2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

      That's because the rest of the tune actually IS just in 4/4, it's only the intro that's in 15/16

    • @MegaKrinkle
      @MegaKrinkle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      that's the neat trick of putting the "rushed" subdivision somewhere in the middle instead of at the end of the measure, makes it sound a lot more clean

  • @adenzaki7531
    @adenzaki7531 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +585

    i have an example of 8/8! In a concert band i was in a few years back we played a piece called Bulgarian Dances and I think it was the third movement that was written in 8/8 with subdivison of 3/3/2 which gave it a similar feel to 5/4 with that last beat rushing a little bit more than the others. Actually 8/8 is really interesting because of this structure built into it and the feel can change a lot depending on where you place the shorter beat in relation to the longer ones.

    • @murmurmerman
      @murmurmerman 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Bartok's "Mikrokosmos" #151 and 153 are both in 8. #151 is in 3+2+3, and #153 is in 3+3+2

    • @Keenath
      @Keenath 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Isn't 8/8 with a 3-3-2 subdivision just the classic tresillo rhythm? That's everywhere in any latin-influenced music from the Charleston to Coldplay's "Clocks". I'm sure there's an example in Mario Sunshine somewhere.

    • @Gingermaas
      @Gingermaas 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@KeenathI also hear it when I listen to clocks. I also saw it in Frank Ticheli’s Vesuvius, which I was fortunate enough to play last year.

    • @toprak3479
      @toprak3479 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      tresillo

    • @Brdmm95
      @Brdmm95 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ⁠@@Gingermaasdon’t forget that he uses a 1/4 bar at least 2 times in that.

  • @wired2u746
    @wired2u746 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +342

    Okay, so during the 11/8 section she brings up sagat's theme from SFII a peak game. What she doesn't mention is the cool as hell reason the composer decided to use 11/8 it was more than just a choice to make the song sound awesome (even though it does) in the original street fighter 2 hyper fighting, there are only 8 playable characters, however there are 4 final boss fights that are unplayable but still definitely feel like fighters, sagat is the third of these fighters, making him the 11th of eight fighters, aka 11/8 fighters. This is so awesome and I really wish she mentioned this, but now you know

    • @rowdyriolu1
      @rowdyriolu1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Ooooooh cool 🤩

    • @dannymdrew
      @dannymdrew 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      My brain wants it to be 5.5/4 so bad lmao

  • @DogBehaviorGuy
    @DogBehaviorGuy 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    every single thing that has ever bothered me about time signatures was instantly remedied when you said it's, in practice, typically added retrospectively based on what feels right.
    that explains why i couldn't actually math the math and make it math right.

  • @FreddeGreddeMusic
    @FreddeGreddeMusic 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +298

    Cool, I've noticed most of these examples when playing the games.
    I love odd time signatures and hope this video encourages people to experiment more with their compositions! 😁

    • @CadenceHira
      @CadenceHira  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      Thx for the kind words Fredde! I am a huge fan of your stuff, I've been watching your vids for over a decade :D

    • @rimuruborges7785
      @rimuruborges7785 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@CadenceHira I want u to talk about this song th-cam.com/video/-hsQDpCqxIg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=dj4lZpYvbPwiUegE

  • @supremekirb
    @supremekirb 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +449

    A lot of other people have brought it up, but Mother 3’s "Strong One (Masked Man)" has an absolutely insane time signature, even more than Fishing Frenzy, and unlike that song it doesn’t give any good musical hints on how to count it.
    The game has a mechanic where if you time button presses to the music you get extra damage in, so the songs get progressively weirder throughout the game. This is the peak of that.

    • @NummyGD
      @NummyGD 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Strong One (Masked Man) is in 15/8, it just has a bunch of tempo changes which is why it sounds wonky

    • @mr.duckie._.
      @mr.duckie._. 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

      Game mechanic: Press to the beat of the song to deal extra damage! It won't be _that_ hard!
      Final boss: GO GO GADGET 71907/40120 TIME SIGNATURE

    • @showmeyourmoves9986
      @showmeyourmoves9986 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      ​​@@NummyGD I actually think Strong One (Masked Man) is in 29/16. Strong One, the theme of the barrier trio in the other hand, is indeed in 15/8

    • @mischacarlberg6631
      @mischacarlberg6631 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think it's kind of cheating to count it as 29/16 as all they do is change the tempo, so any time signature you come up with would be slightly inaccurate at best. 5/4+5/8 is my preferred way of counting Strong One

    • @jblen
      @jblen 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @mischacarlberg6631 IIRC it was programmed into the game in 4/4 with tempo changes, so if you ignore tempo changes it's 4/4 or if you don't then it's 29/16. It's more cheating to split it than it is to call it how it sounds.
      (For anyone interested, there's a silvagunner rip where someone removed the tempo changes to restore how it was put into the system, which feels like 3/4+5/4 but who knows if it was composed like that or if it was composed with the tempo changes intended?
      th-cam.com/video/GtsX-kyecWw/w-d-xo.html)

  • @justdis804
    @justdis804 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    as a musician, that cut at 20:16 to that combination of music and 13/8 staring me in the soul legit made me jump!

    • @hue_kadseninhalator
      @hue_kadseninhalator 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I was looking for this comment😂. 100% true

  • @evanchilson9829
    @evanchilson9829 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    I know this isn't what the video is about, but at 10:10, you brought up the Mission Impossible theme, which is comprised of two "long notes" and two "short notes". If interpreted as dashes and dots respectively, the simple 4 note loop is morse code for M.I. -- Mission Impossible.

  • @FunkyGhost37
    @FunkyGhost37 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +170

    I actually really appreciate this video. I've watched plenty of music theory time signature videos going "Oh I see!(I don't.)", so actually hearing songs I'm more familiar with their beats, makes this much MUCH more clearer.

    • @LordMarlle
      @LordMarlle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Also it's very well explained, like she's talking to human beings, that doesn't already understand the theory, which is kinda rare

  • @larho9031
    @larho9031 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +691

    00:00 Intro
    03:37 1/4
    04:12 2/4 (Advent: One Winged Angel - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate)
    05:56 3/4 (Rosalina in the Observatory - Super Mario Galaxy)
    07:13 4/4 (Main Menu - Wii Sports Resort)
    08:51 5/4 (Gear Getaway - Super Smash Bros WiiU/3DS)
    10:41 6/8 (Flipside - Super Paper Mario)
    11:57 7/4 (Mother Brain - Super Metroid)
    13:36 8/8
    13:51 9/8 (Title Theme - The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker)
    15:01 10/8 (Trainers' Eyes Meet (Psychic) - Pokemon X/Y)
    16:22 11/8 (Forgotten Isle - Super Mario Odyssey)
    18:28 12/8 (Remix 3 - Rhythm Heaven)
    20:16 13/8 (Shrine Battle - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild)
    21:55 14/16 (Yuga-Ganon Battle - The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds)
    23:22 15/16 (The Moon - DuckTales (NES))
    25:28 Intermission
    25:45 "21/16" (Pokémon Mansion - Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green)
    27:32 23/8 (Demon King Ganondorf (Phase 2) - The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom)
    28:58 24/8 (Shrine Battle - The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom)
    29:57 31/16 (Fishing Frenzy - Splatoon 2)
    31:24 Outro
    mightve did something wrong but i think this is right

    • @larho9031
      @larho9031 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@ApplzAndHoney no problem. should be fixed now

    • @ApplzAndHoney
      @ApplzAndHoney 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@larho9031 yep, imma delete my reply so no one hates me:3

    • @symptomofsouls
      @symptomofsouls 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      How does Marx's theme not get a mention the entire song is just random 5/4s and 7/4 inserted with no pattern into 3/4

    • @PlasticNotes
      @PlasticNotes 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Kinda sad we didn’t get any mention of 7/8 😢

    • @EvenFlow391
      @EvenFlow391 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This deserves a pin

  • @DavidBennettPiano
    @DavidBennettPiano 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    4:12 I think the only way to truly have “1/4” is to have a completely consistent quarter note pulse with no emphasis given to any beat. So in reality that would basically just be a metronome count with no emphasis, just constant, homogenous clicks 😊😅 great video by the way!!

    • @CadenceHira
      @CadenceHira  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      That makes sense to me, but then again my lizard brain would probably still divide the clicks into powers of 2 and phrases of 4 lmao
      Also DAVID! I'm a huge fan of your stuff, I've seen all of your time signature videos a while ago and they were a huge inspiration for this video. Thanks for watching!

    • @DavidBennettPiano
      @DavidBennettPiano 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@CadenceHira thank you!! I stumbled across your channel today and really like it. Keep up the good work!

    • @Magst3r1
      @Magst3r1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh damn, it's David Bennett

  • @somethingforsenro
    @somethingforsenro หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    as a musician this has actually helped me learn how to compose in unusual time signatures. i would never have figured out the ‘dotted quarter, dotted quarter, quarter-quarter’ tactic for 5/4, or the triplet/duplet difference between 3/4 and 6/8

  • @mitskilover2004
    @mitskilover2004 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +187

    The great value blueberries had me in tears

    • @two_squared
      @two_squared 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I think while not nintendo music, the spongebob theme song is 8/8. It just fits better than 4/4, especially because of the AT EASE part.

    • @monkeydreams
      @monkeydreams 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I don't get it 😭

    • @daveslamjam
      @daveslamjam 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      @@monkeydreams it's representative of "the most thing ever," with nothing complex or out of the ordinary about it, nothing to observe about it really.

    • @EclipseSystem
      @EclipseSystem 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@daveslamjam oh my fucking god it's dave strider.

    • @fartsfarts8831
      @fartsfarts8831 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Are you from Michigan or are you unsure?

  • @clairebit
    @clairebit 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +75

    Really big fan of Marx’s theme in Kirby Super Star, with the absolutely insane switch ups in signature making it feel nearly impossible to play in real time which adds to the cosmic horror of the fight

    • @CadenceHira
      @CadenceHira  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      I talked about it in my 6 Levels of Kirby Harmony video!

  • @AndrewSlee9
    @AndrewSlee9 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    the section about 11/8 and Indonesian Gamelan was so fascinating! Huge props to Koji Kondo for incorporating that into such a huge game.
    great video !

  • @therobinflieseast
    @therobinflieseast 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    My favourite example of a time signature change is in the game Rhythm Doctor. The gameplay is primarily pressing the spacebar on the 7th beat (with all the distractions/speed changes etc to expect from a rhythm game). Basically all the songs are in 4/4, except for the boss level for act 4. The song itself starts in the same 4/4, but the second half switches to 7/8. It's just such a clever way of adding a new gimmick and taking the basic rule of pressing on the 7th beat to its absolute limit. Well worth a play

    • @mr.duckie._.
      @mr.duckie._. หลายเดือนก่อน

      the first boss (night mode) also switches to 7/8

    • @eric8764
      @eric8764 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@mr.duckie._.That's what they meant when they said act 4 boss.

    • @skullmastergamer
      @skullmastergamer 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I think the thing that screwed me over is that the first measure ended on the seventh beat (because it’s in 7/8, duh) of a 4/4 measure so I kept thinking the next one ended on the seventh beat every time instead of the sixth, then fifth, etc.

  • @lilyrosethevtuberfan
    @lilyrosethevtuberfan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

    Big Splatoon fan here, so happy to see Splatoon salmon run music represented in this video. ω-3 music is so beautifully chaotic, and as a lover of odd time signatures, some of my favorite vgm of all time. Plenty of other SR songs have irregular time signatures as well, such as Deluge Dirge in 7/8, and Frantic Aspic in 5/4, perfectly encapsulating SR’s intense, dramatic, zombie-apocalypse-like environment.

    • @princeapoopoo5787
      @princeapoopoo5787 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Splatoon music is such a mixed bag for me, but I consistently love the Omega 3 music more than most music I've ever heard before. Love the use of Fishing Frenzy

  • @japhy5147
    @japhy5147 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +96

    Thank you so much for including Fishing Frenzy !!! Splatoon's Salmon Run osts have crazy time signatures that keep changing all the time, it's really interesting to hear

  • @milquetoast-beans
    @milquetoast-beans 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This is amazing. If I had this 5-6 years ago when I was doing Musicology this would’ve helped so much.
    Love it!

  • @MrSlimerGameplay
    @MrSlimerGameplay 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    UGHH this is so great. it really scratches the brain the right ways, because every in time signature. you're trying to make sense of it - but then the use of nintendo music refreshes and calms you, with vibe you kinda know and feel! Good visuals aswell! wish you did the clapping with your hands aswell well and counting with your voice haha

  • @beckhaywood8370
    @beckhaywood8370 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +143

    Criminally underrated channel

  • @bassboostwoof6123
    @bassboostwoof6123 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +103

    I just wanted to say thank you for using the eighth note tied to the quarter note ( 9:48 ) for dotted-quarter notes that start on the offbeat...it's such an often overlooked convention in notation that is really helpful for seeing where the beat is while reading.

    • @CadenceHira
      @CadenceHira  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

      i am the invisible barline's strongest soldier

    • @fourtreemouths
      @fourtreemouths 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      agree, i’ve even confused myself when writing my own music on staves, by opting for dotted notes in the composition phase, then coming back to play it at a later date and tripping up on the same dotted notes, especially when there’s a syncopation or polyrhythm between voices. the tied notes are often way more legible, digestible,and not that much more time consuming to write on the page.

    • @Mullkaw
      @Mullkaw 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      thats interesting bc ive never liked seeing that LMAO

  • @lioemblem3550
    @lioemblem3550 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This video was absolutely amazing Im so thankful for this

  • @wanderinggstars
    @wanderinggstars 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i love the way you explain music theory!!! talking about the feel and intuition of making music while discussing theory is really helpful perspective.

  • @thetacoboat
    @thetacoboat 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    Music has always been so alien to me, at least in its construction. Like, yeah I love jamming out to songs, but all of the terminology just racked my brain to think about, and nobody has explained it in a way that made sense to me. But now I really feel like I understand time signatures and how they can evoke a variety of feelings tones within music, and I've even been a bit inspired to think of making my own music trying out different time signatures to see what happens.
    thanks a ton!

    • @gwennorthcutt421
      @gwennorthcutt421 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      i do have some familiarity with music signatures and even i really appreciate how easy and approachable this video is! like not just showing the songs, but then breaking it down by the staff and then counting off the beats atop the song.

    • @Orzorn
      @Orzorn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agreed. I listen to a lot of music, even read music theory or about how music was composed. But time signatures were always something that I could feel but never properly explain. I think she broke it down in a way that anybody can understand!

  • @enderskore8056
    @enderskore8056 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +113

    I forget the exact time signatures, but my favorite use of strange time signatures is Marx's theme from Kirby! How it manages to keep a comprehensible and catchy melody amidst all those changes is magic to me.

    • @CadenceHira
      @CadenceHira  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      It's a banger track! I talked about it in my 6 Levels of Kirby Harmony video :)

    • @VortexF
      @VortexF 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@CadenceHirahave you ever of mother 3's strong one and the masked man version of that,it is literally the strangest time signature I've ever come across in a video game

    • @galenwilds3273
      @galenwilds3273 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Was hoping someone would bring up Marx's theme. It's so catchy that i never realized how the time signature keeps bouncing around until someone pointed it out.

  • @LordMarlle
    @LordMarlle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love this video, your style and humour and pedagogic approach to teaching theory. The Duck Tales part in particular was wonderfully written

  • @imogenemmett719
    @imogenemmett719 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This video is actually amazing. The amount of hard-work that must've gone into this is insane. Thank you so much for creating it! I'm definitely going to use this to help my music students

  • @DSteinman
    @DSteinman 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Wind Waker theme is what you'd call in Irish music, a slip jig. It's a really good one, you could slip it into a set of Irish slip jigs and no one would complain.

  • @thespeedyyoshi
    @thespeedyyoshi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +178

    I love the breakdown you gave for each time signature. It really helped make it clear what I was trying to feel especially in the later sections ^^
    Been here since the Andrew Huang chordstory challenge so it’s insanely cool to see you evolve your channel in this way ^^

    • @LavaCreeperPeople
      @LavaCreeperPeople 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      you will probably love IN - Stage 4 theme

  • @CavyWheek
    @CavyWheek หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great explanation of time sigs. It's all about what beats you want at rest and which ones you want to rush for effect. I've never been into games but the music in them is awesome! Thanks for the video.

  • @a-ramenartist9734
    @a-ramenartist9734 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    I really like the 13/4 groove in the theme for cryogenic hopetown in splatoon 3 its just splendid. I did a transcription for it for piano and its fun to play too.

    • @redtomato4903
      @redtomato4903 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I think I found your transcription on musescore. It sounds even prettier on piano!

    • @a-ramenartist9734
      @a-ramenartist9734 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@redtomato4903 ty. if you do try playing it do note that the fingering is pretty bad (been meaning to redo it but I just forget)

    • @chrispham6599
      @chrispham6599 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@a-ramenartist9734 can I has link?

  • @hyperwebster_297
    @hyperwebster_297 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +92

    8/8 definitely exists, but generally as a complex time signature rather than duple or compound. I usually see it used to reflect tresillo (3+3+2) rhythms, but of course these can also be written and heard as syncopations in 4/4. As with a lot of time signatures, it's kinda arbitrary and is more the choice of the composer than anything that can be definitively transcribed

    • @CadenceHira
      @CadenceHira  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      Yeah I know what you mean. 3+3+2 is probably the strongest argument for 8 but my lizard brain can't not hear syncopated 4/4.

    • @youraverageyoutubeuser6608
      @youraverageyoutubeuser6608 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I can SEE this but I don't know anyone who wouldn't write that as just 4/4.

    • @Dashie04
      @Dashie04 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I don’t know if it’s wrong, but this is indeed how I count songs such as Clocks by Coldplay

    • @ferusskywalker9167
      @ferusskywalker9167 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ​@@youraverageyoutubeuser6608composers sometimes write out 3+3+2/8 instead of 4/4 to show how to feel the piece rather than just give the notes

    • @vharmi.
      @vharmi. 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I've played a lot of wind band band music, and my mind immediately goes to El Camino Real by Alfred Reed when I hear 8/8. There's a section about halfway into the piece that's 3+2+3. You really can't write it in 4 with how it's subdivided, so 8 it is :)

  • @viridianloom
    @viridianloom 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    24:31 YES, I love how she explained music analysis. I've tried to explain to people that sometimes you might like music that seems odd or weird to you if you give it more listens because you need to know ahead of time how all the pieces fit together so you can start detecting the patterns and movements in a song.

  • @gnoot50
    @gnoot50 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    its very cool that you transcribed all the music you showed as examples of the time signatures, it also helped me a bit to understand more of how music theory works

  • @Rolli_Zolli
    @Rolli_Zolli 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +73

    I'm sure someone else has brought it up, but Mother 3 is pretty iconic for its use of funky time signatures, names 15/8 in Strong One and 29/16 in Strong One (Masked Man). Also, on the topic of Splatoon's Salmon Run mode, the tune Frothy Waters from Splatoon 3 has some really interesting shifting time signature biz going on, it's REALLY fun to try to keep up with imo.

  • @liammcgrath7051
    @liammcgrath7051 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    7:28 this is the exaxt moment this video went from good to great. im glad i found this channel, cuz i have a feeling this vid is gonna blow up

  • @BinglesP
    @BinglesP 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you so much for this video. I've struggled a lot with trying to understand time signatures for as long as I've thought about how music is made.

  • @wyrdplae8586
    @wyrdplae8586 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was more useful than most videos on the topic that I have watched and I have been interested and confused by timesigs for near on a decade now.

  • @CodyRockLee13
    @CodyRockLee13 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    My favorite example of 13/8 has always been, and will always be, "Weapons Factory" from Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars.
    Also, I always love that any video or discussion of this type of stuff always elicits people sharing their favorite examples, I've found so many wonderful pieces from games I've missed that way.

    • @SupahNESS
      @SupahNESS 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was so certain when I clicked this video that Weapons Factory was gonna be in it :(

  • @mrjellyfish2
    @mrjellyfish2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    as someone who isn't very educated in music theory, this really helped explain why rhythms can make me feel a certain way! great video!

  • @nogoaway7540
    @nogoaway7540 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is an excellent explanation, very clear and easy to follow. The point about feel and breaking it down into friendlier numbers and downbeats is very intuitive.

  • @thatdudewiththeplant
    @thatdudewiththeplant 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I cannot put into words how helpful this video is. I've been learning music theory for the past couple of years, so I know the basic 4/4, 2/4, 3/4, but I wasn't so sure about others. And as a huge video game fan, especially nintendo, my heart practically skipped a beat seeing this on my recommended. Thanks.

  • @mla734
    @mla734 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Cadence: The perfect 4/4 song doesn't exi-
    NOSTALGA JUMPSCARE

  • @LRFLEW
    @LRFLEW 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

    If you're counting the 11/8 + 12/8 from the TotK Ganondorf theme as 23/8, then I have another (Nintendo-adjacent) example: Oh No! WASPS!! from Bug Fables. I think that one might be an even clearer example, because it plays each beat (particularly with the percussion), and the base line clearly indicates the divisions of 2-2-2-2-3 2-2-2-3-3.

  • @orangeflavoredtoothpaste7420
    @orangeflavoredtoothpaste7420 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So this is how I discover your channel. Amazing vid and I'm hella curious what other stuff you got

  • @SebOiram
    @SebOiram 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love how you brought up Remix 3! You really hit the points of why I liked the groove so much. I loved It so much that it is the song that got me into music arranging and became my first ever arrangement I made back in middle school!

  • @HESOMADBRO
    @HESOMADBRO 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    As a musician thats not too familiar with music theory, I feel like this video somehow gave me a worse understanding of time signatures than before. Maybe it's like a Dunning-Kruger effect, where I am now more aware of how much I didn't know beforehand.

    • @UNHchabo
      @UNHchabo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I listen to a decent amount of prog that just sort of grooves, and I definitely think there are some songs I could play by feel, but if I tried counting them it might screw me up! :D

    • @jean-marcknight8816
      @jean-marcknight8816 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Being aware of what you don't know is the opposite of D/K

  • @heart022
    @heart022 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I actually love this video! Great job!

  • @gullhaar
    @gullhaar 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    No surprise that you would have perfect comedic timing too. Comes through in the vido editing. Great stuff

  • @gplgs4640
    @gplgs4640 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    This is the most thoroughly i’ve ever understood time signatures and general music sheet stuff.
    That being said, I still don’t understand a single thing about time signatures and general music sheet stuff.
    It’s a me problem though. You did a great job regardless

  • @Zalaniar
    @Zalaniar 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm only 2 and a half minutes in and I already love this video. You're explaining things in a way that makes sense to me when music theory type things have always been so difficult for me to grasp.

  • @UltiMaker2
    @UltiMaker2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for explaining this in a great way! It's very interesting how it's mainly boss battle music too that uses weird time signatures.

  • @yoshui
    @yoshui 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Super Paper Mario has quite a bit of musical oddities. The track 'Hammer Whacker' uses 7/4 to sound playful and chaotic. The mini boss battle theme 'A Powerful Enemy Emerges' starts off with a 4 to 3 polyrythm.

  • @cornshot9857
    @cornshot9857 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I love how there's gaps in time sigs like there's gaps in stability on the periodic table. Very cool!

  • @grantrutter2942
    @grantrutter2942 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Mario Galaxy music brought me BACK dude!!! Made me feel all sorts of feelings! Thanks for the awesome video!

  • @math925
    @math925 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This was a delightful watch. Thank you for uploading.

  • @Radien
    @Radien 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +174

    And thus, she truly completed her quest to EARN the name of Cadence, forever.
    (Seriously, I love your name. It's musical without sounding snooty or silly. And it makes me think of Cadence of Hyrule. Also, this video was excellent.)

    • @nileprimewastaken
      @nileprimewastaken 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      shit i may or may not be dyslexic i read that as candace every time XD

    • @TheUKNutter
      @TheUKNutter 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think of perfect cadence, which is fitting for being a musician.

  • @chinchirap
    @chinchirap 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I really like that you trasformed the outro theme to 31/8. Great videooo

    • @i.lydsss
      @i.lydsss 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Had the stupidest grin across my face after realizing 😆

  • @constellationcorvid
    @constellationcorvid หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, really gave me a better understanding of time signatures than i had before

  • @Yossus
    @Yossus 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really like your description of 5 rushing and 7 dragging - I always thought of them the other way round, because in 5 the 1 arrives 1 beat later than you’d expect, in 7 it’s one beat earlier. Really cool how they both work both ways!

  • @Fexxis_
    @Fexxis_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I once played Celebration Tribalesque by Randall D. Standridge in band, and for a short segment, it instructs the conductor to “conduct in one”. I always felt that it was, in fact, in 1/4.

    • @Gelatinocyte2
      @Gelatinocyte2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      1/4 is really such an unhelpful time signature, it can be a copout answer to any other time signatures that are hard to follow. You can see this in music websites that supposedly identifies the time signature of any tune; it'll just output "1/4" to any tunes with number of beats that are not multiples of 2 or 3, or do not have an obvious/consistent loop (i.e. not in a n/8 or n/16 time signature).

  • @captainniiue1977
    @captainniiue1977 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    This isn't a Nintendo tune but Good Morning Good Morning by The Beatles I think would be a good example of 1/4 because there's no other consistent way to subdivide the measures for most of the song. There are also parts of it that are 4/4 and 12/8

  • @DaYoda191
    @DaYoda191 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is really well explained! I'm a drummer and I tend to find myself drawn to the down beat as my reference for counting, and try and figure out the time signature from that. So I often would first hear an example you give and think, that's a weird way to count that its just 4/4 or 5/4. But then you did a great job of showing me why I was wrong haha. But I like that, time signatures are a bit weird and deciphering them is tricky. I'm honestly not that good at it and usually just "feel" it and play what seems appropriate.

  • @elpepe-wx7oj
    @elpepe-wx7oj 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fantastic video man keep up the amazing work

  • @MusicalPlayground717
    @MusicalPlayground717 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Amazing video as always. As far as the 1/4 goes, I feel like when a relentless repeated downbeat pattern appears, without any variation in emphasis, that could be considered 1/4. Maybe something like the opening of the famous shower cue from “Psycho.”
    Now, it wouldn’t be the most sight-readable thing in the world; it’s a lot easier for rehearsal purposes to just expand the beats into 2/4 or something. But if the emphasis really doesn’t vary - like, if there are no weak or strong beats - then purely in terms of musical feel, there’s no justification for anything other than 1/4.

    • @AlbySilly
      @AlbySilly 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      To me personally it sounds like it's in 3

    • @FukGZilla
      @FukGZilla 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      1/4 is one of those pretty much never used. I've only ever seen it as a starting pickup measure. However, 1/1 is used more often as a sustain for the conductor's cue.

  • @elive19
    @elive19 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    This is so cool!! I don’t know much music theory despite playing violin for ten years and counting, this has inspired me to learn more! Thank you for all the work you out into this video, it’s such a great entertaining but knowledgeable explanation:D

  • @user-xr5ur1uc9j
    @user-xr5ur1uc9j 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One of the funnest videos I’ve watched, great stuff!

  • @minecraftsteve2504
    @minecraftsteve2504 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was uploaded at a perfect timing.
    Thank you

  • @stevengoomba6490
    @stevengoomba6490 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    definitely have some new tracks to add to my weird time signatures playlist. Mother 3 has quite a few battle themes that add a beat to the original one to throw you off since you can time your button presses to the music during battle, which is a super cool aspect of the game. I’m probably remembering wrong, but the track “Strong One” technically has a time signature in the hundreds. I have no clue how to divide it so I brute forced my way through that boss.

    • @3spoons366
      @3spoons366 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Strong one is a lot simpler than most people think. Off the top of my head it's 15/8? If you keep a beat based on the first 3 timpani notes you'll notice that when they come back they'll be on the backbeat and when it comes back again it will still be synced with the first ones. It just has you combo in a strange rhythm. Now the masked man variant? I have no idea.

    • @ravingrabbits32
      @ravingrabbits32 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      strong one has a time signature of 15/8. strong one (masked man), however, has a time signature of 29/16 (which is kinda just 15/8 with a 16th note cut out of it)

    • @NummyGD
      @NummyGD 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ravingrabbits32Wrong, masked man is still in 15/8. It just has a bunch of tempo changes which is why it sounds wonky

    • @stevengoomba6490
      @stevengoomba6490 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@NummyGD love to see this discussion but I don’t think I’ll ever get the timing down

  • @ezkm1m1x
    @ezkm1m1x 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Just wanted to say how helpful this video is! I’ve always wanted to explain time signatures and other music stuff to my non-musical friends, but it’s really hard to explain with just words alone. Including examples with all of them as well as explainations is SO useful! Not to mention, it doesn’t have that ‘stuffy, classist’ feeling that classical music has. I’ll be showing this to my friends and maybe next time they’ll understand me when I start gushing about time signatures again.

  • @ruthannmontgomerywall2030
    @ruthannmontgomerywall2030 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great explanation of time signatures! I’m starting to comprehend it because of the great examples you use!

  • @connor4wilson
    @connor4wilson 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've never really fully understood what time signatures mean even though I've been playing and making music for years, and this video has immediately clarified something that I've always found incredibly unapproachable! Thanks for making it!

  •  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    Excellent video! New subscriber.
    I like to think of 8/8 as a better option for the typical "3/8 + 3/8 + 2/8", but I know that by convention we use 4/4 for that (one example could be Mt. Moon from Pokemon games)

    • @flyingpiggy1475
      @flyingpiggy1475 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That rhymhic idea is called a clave or a terrillso

    • @abugidaiguess
      @abugidaiguess 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@flyingpiggy1475 you mean tresillo?

    •  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yep. Although I think people more often talk about tresillo when it's in sixteenth notes so that it lasts 2 beats.
      Fun fact: in Spanish, we use the word "tresillo" for what you call "triplet". Some people talk about "tresillo cubano" (which would translate like cuban triplet) to mean what you just call "tresillo".

    • @flyingpiggy1475
      @flyingpiggy1475 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@abugidaiguess yws

    • @metalsuazo1173
      @metalsuazo1173 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ludofonia bilingue, increible

  • @gabrocking
    @gabrocking 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Oh man, this video is so awesome. I'm a music student, so I really appreciate you breaking down these more intimidating time signatures into something I can understand, especially while using examples. So yeah, great video!

  • @jaimegardea6037
    @jaimegardea6037 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love this kind of videos. You’re amazing, I know you’ll reach a huge audience if you continue creating content like this

  • @Larszard
    @Larszard 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This video coming up in my recommendations cus I like videogames (never had any knowledge of music theory in my life) sent me on an entire rabbithole and now time signatures are my latest obsession. No joke. I keep coming back to watch this, or parts of it again and again as my understanding of time signatures develops further.
    I still cannot comprehend the difference between 3/4 and 6/8 though.

  • @mediocreboi
    @mediocreboi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    2 years in music school and this video about Nintendo actually got me to understand more about time signatures than I ever got out of school. Great job!

  • @clementinekitten8305
    @clementinekitten8305 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    this video is so fun and interesting! as someone who finds music theory super cool but has never been able to understand it, i LOVE your editing style and how you highlight the tempo/notes when playing a song

  • @ShubhoBose
    @ShubhoBose 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Best proper explanation video of this I saw.

  • @tomcoleman8702
    @tomcoleman8702 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was awesome! And I love that 23 is an "evil" prime. I still think 12/8 is my favorite overall time sig!

  • @NEOL1NK
    @NEOL1NK 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    A use case for stuff like 8/8 or 16/16 would be if you're scoring something proggy that changes time signatures every other bar, but is felt with the same bottom meter throughout. So if you have this fast 16th-note instrumental run going 15/16, 16/16, 15/16, 17/16 or something like that, it might look neater and more consistent to hold the 16/16 than to suddenly consolidate it to 4/4. Just a little thing I remember running into in Guitar Pro back in the day lol.

    • @TIGERSHARK827
      @TIGERSHARK827 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I don't know how they would write it themselves, but one prog song I can think of where I would do this is In the Presence of Enemies, Pt. 2 by Dream Theater. The beat starting at 2:36 rotates between 9/8 and what I would call 8/8, as it makes way more sense to me to count every other measure as 8 than slow down to counting in 4

  • @Justanormalishguy
    @Justanormalishguy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I know this ain't video game music, but if some of y'all wanna hear a funky time signature, check out Björk's song "Moon", which is mostly 17/8, in a way to supposedly mimic the lunar cycles!

  • @GilMeansJoy
    @GilMeansJoy หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ever since my best friend was a music major in college (early aughts), I've been fascinated with time signatures, and this video was incredible. I also learned I do not have an ear for any of this counting.

  • @Bennytek
    @Bennytek 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So happy to see you talking about Splatoon :) The music in Splatoon especially means so much to me

  • @clappytriofan2098
    @clappytriofan2098 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I see Chorus Kids, I click on video: it’s that simple.

    • @Flying_Ninja
      @Flying_Ninja 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      im a band kid and a chorus kid, idk if i have ever moved away from 3/4 and 4/4 in chorus, but we’re doing a 7/8 piece in band rn

  • @trajectoryunown
    @trajectoryunown 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This has been the most informative description of time signatures I've ever seen.

  • @athenaiscafe4216
    @athenaiscafe4216 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've been playing the trombone for 15 years and trumpet for 5 years and I love rythm so much I plan on learning drums next year. Time signatures can be tricky, but it feels like a puzzle and once you've understand the piece you're working on it feels so great! Great video, very understandable and it's super clever tu use famous game pieces to explain all that! 👌🏼✨

  • @_Strez
    @_Strez 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I feel like it took me for forever but alas... This video has explained time signatures perfectly to me! Thank you so much!

  • @TearMetoBitsDarling
    @TearMetoBitsDarling 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    i used to hate the idea of time signatures before this, I just couldn't figure it out in my head, but I think I understand now, great video! Subbed

  • @ToastbackWhale
    @ToastbackWhale 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I’ve gotten a slight grasp of the parts of music theory that deal with tones/notes, but I’m now convinced that I will literally never understand time signature.

  • @krp2934
    @krp2934 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It must have taken forever to search for these, transcribe them, find video for each of the games, then put it all together coherently. This is an amazing and really interesting video, thanks for taking the time to create it Cadence!