I Found the Previous Owner of My Fire Totaled Ferrari! He Sent me 8 Boxes Worth Thousands...
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While Rebuilding this Burn Totaled Ferrari, I coincidentally ran into the previous owner, and he sent me several thousand worth of Original Ferrari Parts belonging to this car... He also told me the complete story of how it caught on fire.
@Ratarossa Video of the Burned Ferrari F430: • FIRE DAMAGED FERRARI 2...
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Tom is a legend. He sent you many thousands of dollars in parts for nothing. I admire his generosity and respect his commitment to keeping all of the original documents and parts.
I hope Sam paid for shipping
Hope he sends him at least a gift card to take his family out to a nice dinner... Sam... ..SAMM?? ;)
Yeah, most people would've sold this stuff to get money back from the robbery the insurance company probably committed.
Sending this stuff to the next owner simply because they belong to the car is a rare move.
He never said for nothing
@@macbook802 He said Tom "gave" it to him. No one says I went down to Best Buy and they gave me a Macbook after I paid them $1000.
Hi Sam. The mystery fire was more than likely caused by leaking fuel vapor, not the liquified fuel. There's a high probability that the vapor was escaping the newly installed pump/tank housing. Topping off the tank was the beginning of the end. If the tank was filled halfway, the vapor stays inside the tank. However, the heat of the engine combined with a full tank is a recipe for disaster. The thump the driver heard was more than likely the vapor igniting. What's unique about gas vapor, it can ignite with ANY spark or static in the engine bay. I say this from experience as a member of the Fiat 124 Sport Spider Fire Brigade. Take care.
I would totally agree with the vapor catching and causing a loud whoosh sound. Maybe old fuel soaked wire shielding that just took the engine heating up to ignite. Engine bay heat soaks when you stop the engine to fill up.
yeah you can throw a match in to liquid petrol and it won't burn but vapours loves to ignite.
Same thought, vapor ignition. Maybe exacerbated by an over fill situation.
Just what I was thinking the filling up the tanks to maximum capacity is the key part of that letter I think. Poor seal some how for some reason.
Vapor certainly but look at the electrical connector area. It seems more charred than the surrounding plastic. I have to wonder if there was a ring vapor leak (is there an O-Ring?) and the power connector was flooded and sparked. Really dumb to have the power connector parallel to an area that can be encroached with fluid/vapor.
I love it when people keep the original parts.
I belong to a motorcycle group on facebook and there's always customized bikes for sale and rarely do they include the factory parts. I tell em all: KEEP YOUR STOCK PARTS because just because YOU love what you did to YOUR bike, the next guy might not. Having the stock parts allows the new buyer to return it to stock and or do his own thing.
I had the exhaust replaced on a car and the installer said, "Why do you want to keep the old exhaust? Just to take up room in your garage for 20 years, then another 20 for the next owner..?"
I said, yeah exactly 😊👍
@@DIARRHEA-PANIC ....because on some vehicles, that increases the value by having it all original.
Is it taking up more room than your kid's big wheel? or the clothes you wore in college?
Two masters chest jousting. Great fun and both guys have achieved an excellent outcome despite out of control make egos. Well done boys!
Tom is the most thorough Ferrari owner I’ve seen. His documentation was superb to see. The fire mystery continues …. Either way this is going to be one stunning low mileage 430 to enjoy.
Love ya Ratarossa your knowledge of Ferraris is unmatched
Did someone switch their old pumps and send the old ones back to the supplier? So need fitted an old leaky pump?
I’ve had this exact issue with parts before 😮
Correct me if I’m wrong here but if you watch this video there was no green oring under the new fuel pump collar when he installed it. There was clearly a green oring when the old one came off. If you see what I saw let him know before it catches on fire again.
Please make a video of you replacing your old pumps, Mr. Ratarossa.
Your a Legend Scott. Hurry up with a video. We miss you bro. 😅 🇨🇮🇨🇮
You and Scott have a bond that you just can’t manufacture. Love it
The fact that Tom sent all those parts to Sam and the fact that he kept his log book up to date, tells you why he could buy a Ferrari new and we cannot. Just a different league of people with class and manners
You misspelled “money”
gONNA take my inheritince n git m e some a dat class and maners. Kidding aside, Tom _is_ clearly a class act with a thoughtful heart.
Unfortunately not all people with money have class and manners or even intelligence and common sense
@@Africatwinrider1 True, here in town we have many land-minister millionaires, driving recklessly with their Audi/Skoda/JLRs, and occasionally crashing into a tree or light-pole!
Take this as a compliment, I have seen never so many videos on the same car by so many TH-camrs, talk about collaboration, all interesting, well done Sam
The giveaway here is the burnt output fitting on the pump top, if it cracked around the fitting, the car side of the fuel hose would be melted on that output fitting, for this output fitting to be melted like this, the car side must have not been seated and popped off, that could have been the thump, the hose popping off under pressure,
Good on Tom, what a great guy, be Kool for him to come take it for a drive,
Watching from Australia, glad to see your content back and better than ever
My best guess is; yes he was sold a new old syle/stock pump as the shop he got it from probably had it for over a decade and it could have been produced three years after the car was made. New old stock/Deadstock is good but it was still made years ago. The Parts shop should have been updated, and part never sold.
This all made me remember a guy I used to work with, his side hustle was rebuilding old Ferrari alternators, or it might have been starters. Every day he would show up early to make his parts on the lathe before we opened. He was apparently pretty well known in the classic Ferrari community, people from around the world sent him dead Ferrari alternators, and he'd make them new again.
What a generous man Tom is to gift you all those accessories
I would imagine the smallest of all leaks from one of the hoses that was replaced would have leaked heavily under pressure. Another possibility is if the top of the fuel pump was cross, threaded, and it was not an issue at the beginning, but when the fuel tank was full, it caused it to leak.
That whump / bang that the owner heard was the fuel -warmed and evaporated to a gaseous state and exploding. Remeber that petrol is five times as explosive as dynamite! I had exactly the same experience in a VW beetle when I was a teenager!
Tom is a very rare, class act, Ferrari owner. Why do 85% of the rest steal the tool kits, car covers, extra keys, etc. That these cars come with? Sam is right, when you purchase these cars even with extremely low mileage, clean titles, this stuff is NEVER included. I didn't get a tool kit with my 599, so if God forbid I needed a metal tow hook, I'd have to steal the one from our Cali 30. That is so wrong... When you spend 6 figures for a USED car, you should at least get the f'ing tool kit. Stupid Ebay..
Tom makes Chuck Norris humble.
I liked the real talk at the end! Great build!
Wow. What a cool guy! Lucky Sam
When I was dating my former fiancee, she lived in Scituate MA, and we drove by a fire at a gas station. Turns out the car on fire was a Ferrari 355 I think, owned by the drumber of the band Aerosmith. I think he got some burns trying to put it out. This was in the mid to late 90's. I forget now. Long time ago.
Go get yo story straight..& repost/edit this shit!
Just observed at 22:49 when installing the fuel pump no rubber gasket. You have probs installed them but thought i would mention it.
He collected 25.3 gallons not including what had been used and burned. You explained the rated capacity is 25.1 gallons, so I surmise that he overfilled the tank, once the engine reached temp it caused the fuel to expand, the weakest part will be the plastic on the fuel pump. Would this explain why one caught fire and the other was leaking?
These cars need built in fire suppression in the engine bay.Would be a better investment than fiber parts.
The Ferrari compressor is the very same as my Fiat panel van's. Just has the Ferrari embroidery on its case
This is too funny
@@Samcrac Indeed, google Fiat 2013 tire repair kit and spot the differences :D
After Myspace I never imagined Tom being cool as hell again.
28:19 it’s called COVID😂
I believe Tom did one of two things. Either he overfilled to much and when moving the tank off to the side loosened the hose between the two tanks creating a drip or the bottom o ring possibly could have not been installed correctly. He may have rolled the o ring under the pump which spilled fuel out and onto the exhaust. Either way if he installed the molding on the inside of the engine bay he probably would never had this problem I bet. He would have smelled fuel and spotted the leak before it got to the exhaust.
Feel bad for Tom now, he really cared about this car!
I'm hoping you have an update soon on the waterlogged DBS Sam. Keep up the good work.
Check the part number on the manufacture of the plastic top on the Fuel pump against the Invoice of the part to get the year of Manufacture and it should also be on the plastic top of each pump as Ferrari do not make those parts its a buy in part just like a Oil Filter.
The gas valve may be clogged and the pressure of the gases and the pressure of the gasoline and a bad installation or the strings of the cover may be larger
Even Apollo 11 had trouble when stirring the tanks.
Well Done Tom for Not selling all this stuff online. a True car guy.👏
What a blessing Tom was to have kept, and then provided, all that insight - he clearly cherished the vehicle. On the fire root cause agree, looks like there was an old style fuel pump against the replacement part number - didn't catch where it was bought from but somewhere in this there's been a screw up, whether it was OEM putting wrong pump in the new box or distributer supplying old pump when revised was ordered. From the fact there's letters into Ferrari I'd guess it was the former and there's been a screwup in parts logisitics. My final guess is could, somehow, someone have ordered the replacement pump, swapped it with their own low faulty one and then returned it for a refund and it's been restocked into the system? This would explain a lack of obvious blame for the problem and could be down to some clown wanting to save $$'s on replacing pumps without considering what the knock on affect to someone else would be 😡
I would say he probably got an old style pump that may have been sitting for since the car first came out and caused it to be faulty. Especially with plastic parts.
Maybe Tom Cross threaded the pump retaining nut/collar. And the pop was it popping off as I've seen in another video you have to push the pump down with a bit of force to get the nut/collar started
Did Tom install the fuel pump plastic ring with the ol' prybar method?
NOTE :-CHeck fuel line close to wire harnnes.short circuit can cause a spark and catches fire
I think "the Thump" was the fuel hose shooting off from the fuel pump. Happened to me on a Beamer when I was working on it and didn't realize how hard you need to fasten that hose.
It's possible to over tighten those plastic collars, especially if you get a tool on them rather than just using your fingers, the thump is then the collar cracking and the fuel pump springing up out of place, starting a fire with fuel fumes
I suspect that the fuel pump wasn't fitted correctly. that thump might have been the pressure of the sloshing gas being shook around in the fuel tank pushing on a loose fuel pump nut (big round platic bit that secures the pump), but not enough pressure to blow it off entirely. i'd say some fuel escaped and combusted.
Previous owner overfilled the tank to the point excess fuel ran down the outside of filler neck which was fuel that caught fire.
Tom is the MAN. Lets face it, he could have sold those parts on Ebay and made some money, but, he understands those parts belong to the Car and when a person understands 'the Car' is as much a person as a person is... yeah. Tom is the MAN.
Tom is a top bloke for doing that 👍👍👍
Love these collaborations with R/R 👍👍
Nice with the documentation, in case you need to buy a brand new Farrari. You need to ovn 3 certified before you can buy a top model. 😅
used southern windshield washer fluid without alcohol in it ,, Northern stuff will make the fire worse.
the blue liquid use was most likely BLUE DEF which the ammonia in the DEF would turn into a Nitrogen and Hydrogen when heated starving the fire of air and the deionized water would stop any electrical fires as well because it is not conductive at all due to it having no iron or salt to conduct and the pee in the DEF tripped a few fuses for shorting the circuit so the fire was most likely started from a bad cable or damaged cable most likely a cable got lose and cought fire from tuching the block since they used a really really cheap rubber cable cover for them thinking that wire would never get hot enough,
Both of you are really cool guys!
My Mercedes had the same issue. Top of the fuel pump cracked and seeped fuel. I noticed a fuel smell while it was parked in the garage and traced it to the cracked fuel pump. Not sure how this happens other than manufacturing error since the pump is all buttoned up under the rear seats and can't be tinkered with unless you remove the rear seat and steel covers, but it happens.
Maybe the same manufacturer
I will obviously wiull not be able to drive, let alone own a Ferrari. Heck, I've never even seen a Ferrari in person here in the Philippines. I know there are a few Rerrari owners here that I see on TV. But these kind of videos let me get closer to these rare cars. I'm taking good care of my 6 year old Honda since I cannot afford a new one, and maybe give this to my son/daughter. I want them to enjoy this car as much I did. And also that it may serve them well as it served me well.
because of the thump sound that was the fuel pressure lone coming off
And i thought i was fanatical about my car logs, well done TOM! 👍👍👍👍
Tom's a solid dude.
Tom is a cool guy for sure
I don't give a 💩 what happened I just wanted to see you fix it 💯
I'm so glad that my car is not known for bursting into flames! (just wasting a lot of oil)
Tom is so cool that I don't want to say what happened. Hope insurance paid him and got another Ferrari
The faulty pump has less wires inside
my guess: split or slipped o ring , when it was filled up the gas leaked under the collar.. 35 year mechanic ive seen this happen alot , especially now that everything is junk plastic instead of metal
maybe it was overfilled into the fuel neck. could of had a faulty gas pump that overfilled the car. just the fuel in the fuel neck ignited, after leaking onto surrounding hot surfaces. just a guess
I would guess that he didn't have the fuel line quite clicked all the way on or the retainer in the line was damaged when he removed the old pump. It popped off and it burned.
Why is it that everytime I see a car repair youtuber open a box they never have a boxcutter😅
Fuel line hose clamp on pump not tightened properly? Sounds plauseable to me. 🤔
Regarding the pump Tom installed. I noticed that the blue wire on that pump matches the color on the one you installed. The wire color on the left pump you removed is a different shade (at least what it looks like on video), so maybe it was a new style pump?
Windshield washer fluid 😮
Tom is a legend ❤
I think Tom mightve made a small but big mistake, I've done this before, but luckily it was a diesel engine so not as flammable. When reconnecting the fuel line connectors to the top hat, they wernt up properly, and barely holding on, and popped off
The steel in the frame is likely compromised, be careful!!!
Why does Sam look, sound and act drunk at the end? I was expecting him to say slurred, "Listen Scott, you're my best friend and I love you"
Dude must have spent THOUSANDS to ship all that...
Sam should be wiring Tom 20k for all those parts!
No idea you had been sitting on this car that long
Wondering why you didn't replace both fuel pumps at once
Tom was sold a NOS pump not an upgraded unit
Wait wait wait, you’re telling me you started this project pre-COVID?
VERY HARD to put that pump in wrong and not notice it.
Sam offer to repay Tom for the parts by sending his step mom over Toms for a visit
That inflator is the same one that comes in the Fiat 500.
Add me to the Tom Fan Club... he's the real hero here. Tom, you sir, are a scholar and a gentleman... Cheers!
I like the Red Wings shirt! 😉
I BET IT WAS THE FUEL PUMP SEAL AT THE TOP OF THE GAS TANK
Toms the kind of guy youd love to buy a car from
you should have him check out the car when your done
Guy was cool send you all car parts
that cteck charger is just a cheap one you can get for 20 euro new... but hey came with the ferrari :)
This is a car guys dream 😮
Love your content I would take those tanks and get it modified to have the whole fuel installed into the tank like they have on the aftermarket fuel cells or tanks if you want to call it a tank because we all know that plastic and heat does not go together well as plastic goes brittle over time I also have a problem where I cannot smell well and if that problem must occur again it might be to late
Is Tom a pilot? Looks like an aicraft log book.
Hey Sam can you part out that DBS of yours? i need a few parts for mine.
Why is everything on there so flammable???
Yup
Good guy Tom, much respect
There is no "green seal" in the video @ 23:00
That is cool of him!
I got the same illness, it was called doing cocaine too many years 🤦♂️🤷♂️😂😂
Tom is my uncle and a pretty amazing guy. Doesn’t surprise me he did this. He’s more than generous which is pretty freaking obvious from the video. Hope you’re well Uncle Tom. Cya at Turkey Day. You’re gonna love my new Porsche. Love you.
Sure he is mate. Everyone just loves jumping on someone else’s bandwagon
You used this opportunity to talk rubbish about yourself with FAKE UNCLE TOM. Hahaha you little piggy 🐷 oink oink
Hey, Tom is my uncle too 🤔
Tom is the car guy of car guys. We all aspire to be Tom. Generous to a fault.
I thought Bob was your uncle!
Tom was sold the old part. New pump failed due to filling up to full on tanks. The car wizard said it in one of his videos about fuel pumps failing due to fueling top off. The parts guy remembered because he knows that he screwed the guy. Fault is still on Ferrrari for having shitty parts.Tom being so meticulous tells me he installed it better than what a dealer would do.
I agree 100%. That was my exact read on the situation.
Didn't the Car Wizard use a different brand of fuel pump as his replacement?
One thought I had was that the "new" pump was someone else's return that was not properly checked before being added back to the seller's inventory.
But with the guy being exacting. Wouldn’t he notice the part no being incorrect before installing it?
@@shaunwhitmore3291Not if he didn't know what the correct part looked like.
The owner was SO kind. I am supremely proud of their stewardship.
Bootlicking going good I see
@@0o0-D1 Why do i see so many negative comments from you? are you ok? do you need someone to be proud of you too?
@@Globbs I think their father left them and their mother doesn't love them. They just give off that vibe, you know?
Speaking from experience, I'm pretty sure I know exactly what happened with the mysterious new / upgraded fuel pump. The pump that was purchased was actually a returned one that had the preexisting issue and someone just polished it up nicely and returned it keeping the new one and also got their money back. Its a scam that happens at all our local parts stores and the kids who "quality check" the returns are making min wage, so we all know how much effort they put into checking an item before restocking...
My thoughts exactly.
I'd bet this is the case. Someone probably purchased a replacement pump installed it and then shortly after they did the revised pump was released. Replaced then again, put the recently replaced pump in new box and returned. Which would explain the double checking part number (on the box)
Wouldn't there be a part # molded on the part itself?
I wouldn’t wanna face the good lord knowing I scammed people like that… it cost someone his car and had it gone differently maybe his life..
that makes perfect sense, good point.
1 thing I'd like to say: when you pump the gas into the car's tank, it is coming from the station's storage tank underground which is colder. If the car's tank is filled completely full, it will gain pressure when the fuel heats up & could result in the failure of the top assembly of the Ferrari's fuel pump.
i dont think it could super heat enough, and the fuel system has a vent.
@@DC-si8xw Damaged vent/vapor recovery system, old brittle plastic and boom - the ring cracks and all the fuel which is now under pressure sprays out.
From what I've gathered, the entire fuel system in these cars is barely better than a VW Bug. Seriously borderline engineering that's needlessly complex. Note that on most other cars, such a fault would result in an error code and vapor lock/very poor running. But on a Ferrari? Eject fuel pumps, please.
@TheRelaxn Good point. Every extra degree Celsius between the storage tank and the car with 22 gal of fuel would be 2.72 fluid oz extra.
Not to ment the fact the fuel tanks are plastic, which stretches.
Very impressive record Tom kept. As a fan of the F430 I’d probably do the same. Tom is definitely the kinda guy you’d want to buy a car off.
The real hero is Tom. That was insanely kind and cool of him to send you all that stuff vs. just selling it himself.
At 24 minutes, you discuss a thump. I once had a car fire, and the ignition of it made a "whump" noise - could be the same thing.
I'd put money on it being that. We've all heard that sound...we've all left the propane in the grill on a bit too long before lighting it. lol