The Art of Memory: Frances Yates, Giordano Bruno And The Mnemonic Tradition
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- The Art of Memory by Frances Yates is an incredible study of the memory techniques used by figures through history.
From Giordano Bruno and Marsilio Ficino to John Dee, Ramon Llull, Martin Faulks and Nelson Dellis, The Art of Memory has been an incredible resource for thousands of people around the world.
The only problem is... Yates is considered by many scholars to have been incorrect about so many of her ideas. She seems to have deeply misunderstood Bruno when it comes to hermeticism and that suggests she might be misguided by how he and others used the Memory Palace technique.
What was Frances Yates misguided on?
Not only how the great memory masters used their Roman Rooms and the Journey Method, but they used these ancient mnemotechnics to achieve encyclopedic memory to establish a theory of everything.
Bruno's creativity was immense, and his ability to help others develop principles of self education and personal transformation is profound. But it matters a great deal that we understand the true implications of what Bruno was really saying, especially in an era when neuroscience tells us so much about the human brain.
The recent memory championship tradition is fantastic, but it has left so much of the rich philosophy inherent to the mnemonics behind. This playlist series intends to help restore the psychology and hermetic thinking behind memory "magic" to bring back the best of renaissance science as we use the internet as our common school of advanced study to helps us learn faster and remember more.
Frances Yates was lucky to have found the Warburg Institute and we're lucky Aby Warburg created it. So many important texts were preserved and Frances Yates helps us explore their many ideas.
Future videos will explore the role of Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica in memory training.
We'll look into the Rhetorica Ad Herrenium and the Picatrix. In this series, I want to leave no stone unturned. Here's the link to the playlist for checking back as new videos are added:
• The Art of Memory: Gio...
For more videos on The Art of Memory and hermetic memory, please see:
The art of memory: Daniel Kilov at TEDxMacquarieUniversity
• The art of memory: Dan...
Issues in Frances Yates' "Hermetic Tradition'" and On Individualism in the Reformation
• Issues in Frances Yate...
Dilwyn Knox: Frances Yates on Giordano Bruno
• Dilwyn Knox: Frances Y...
An Introduction to The Classical Art of Memory
• An Introduction to The...
Hermetic Art Of Memory
• Hermetic Art Of Memory
Lynne Kelly on Memory Craft:
• Lynne Kelly On Memory ...
An Introduction To The Hermetic Art Of Memory
• An Introduction To The...
Art of Memory Software: Memory Systems Tutorial
• Art of Memory Software...
Will Self - Isolation, Solitude, Loneliness and the Composition of Long-Form Fiction
• Will Self - Isolation,...
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I look forward to your thoughts in the discussion and thanks as always for your support of the Magnetic Memory Method initiative!
Sincerely,
Dr. Anthony Metivier
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Yates is 100% correct that a trained memory has an advantage over others. I've experienced this on many occasions, especially in large lectures at my university. I normally memorize the content prior to lectures, which allows me to have meaningful and analytical discussions with my professor on the subject matter. Due to the overwhelming lack of participation by the students, The professors are extremely grateful for my engagement and questions, and some have asked if I would be interested in participating in Teaching Assistant program.
That's great news, Adolfo, and glad you picked up on this point.
Something very similar happened to me when I first started using these techniques in grad school. One of my professors in an MA class told me she thought I was her assistant prof, not a student. She later wrote a letter that helped me get into the PhD.
The lack of participation you notice from students isn't their fault, though. It appears to be related to the strangely prevalent 80/20 rule. Both as a student and later a teach I've found only one solution: embrace it, point it out, play with it, make people aware of it.
Only by pointing out the obvious can we hope to awaken as many as we can from the dream.
What resource did you learn to train your memory?
I had a problem with that. I understood and participated a lot. But was not good at exams. Because i was not good to memorize. So the professors were surprised. I learnt a lot of time after to memorize better.
.*12:20.*
Agreed👍🏻
I just discovered you, Anthony. I set a longer term goal, of learning, math, physics, chemistry and biology at a more than basic level. As I started moving on this goal, I realized that if I want to learn all of this and have it be information I can use, I better learn how to learn and remember. This is how I stumbled upon you. I will keep watching and learning.
🙏
What do you think about The Art of Memory? How has it impacted how you use memory techniques like the Memory Palace? If a big book like this intimidates you, How to Memorize a Textbook is what you should watch next to remove all fear: th-cam.com/video/eIQRiqQFKQY/w-d-xo.html
Finally!
Been waiting for this one - thanks!
Not sure what you mean, Joseph, but thanks for checking this one out. Looking forward to your full thoughts about it. :-)
Glad we got it out for you. Thanks for checking it out.
I'm so glad your making videos on this concept and leading newcomers in a good direction to learn more. Not enough ppl make videos talking on his videos, but if they do, their barely scratching the surface. Very grateful to your dedication to Bruno's ideas, it means alot to me. Also boosting in hopes of more videos like these!
Thanks kindly for this.
Did you happen to see the reading I gave from On the Shadows of the Ideas? Hoping to hold another session soon!
th-cam.com/video/ze06TKYfrO0/w-d-xo.html
I’ve been exploring the use of the YiJing as a memory palace, designed to point all information toward wholeness, non-duality, and inter-being.
Thanks for being someone who shares these interests!!
Interesting project. I memorized a bit of it, but only the poetry, not the shapes.
This is because my core strategy is to only use Memory Palaces. Never Memorized Palaces. I’m not a lazy person at all, but find using shapes the brain memorizes automatically so much more fulfilling than memorizing them deliberately.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM 🙏 Such a cool idea!
Very happy to be riding on your coattails!
Asolutely! Continue to tell us where to look so we can catch even more things to think about! Your enthusiasm is contagious!
Enthusiasm is a good thing to have catching on, especially during these dark times.
Any thoughts or questions for the next chapter in the series? If so, please ✍️ them here. 🤠
A real, in depth, look at the history and techniques of the art of memory is a WONDERFUL idea. I loved this video and look forward to more in this series. Keep up the great work!
Thanks, Bernie. Great to hear from you and have your interest confirmed. Any particular angles you think would be essential to the project? If anything comes to mind in the immediate or distant future, please let me know.
In the meantime, thanks for the post and look forwards as always to the next time we can correspond. :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I'm thinking really big here, so feel free to scale up or down.
I am always interested in parallel development. In this context, I mean what theories and practices developed around the world at what time. Trying to figure out if there was or was not cross pollination is always a big draw for me.
Another area of exploration is the memory techniques that were big for a while but never worked out. Learning from mistakes is always interesting. Continuing with that line of thought, the really strange and completely insane approaches that may have popped up in the past would also be interesting.
One of the things in one of Lynne Kelly's more recent books, Memory Kraft, was the idea of the usage of bestiaries as memory palaces or objects. I LOVE that idea. I have also found a couple of bestiaries online and love the pretty pictures...
I also find the idea of drilling down into the thinking of various memory pioneers fascinating. It works as both historical and practical implementation.
When you have completed the series, which I hope takes MANY episodes, I hope you also touch on the VERY latest ideas being used by the memory competition people that may or may not be practical.
By the way. You will probably, at some point, touch on the usage of Cathedrals as memory palaces. I found, through searching youtube videos, that there are some FINE tours of ancient cathedrals, and it really helps one understand why they used them and why they had the specific approaches that they did. With buildings that large, it would not be a case of finding enough anchor points, it would be trying to limit the number! Note, it is also a great excuse to spend an hour or two looking at interesting architecture.
Last but not least, have you thought about writing a book covering everything when you have finished the video series? I don't now if you can be as rigorous in videos as you can in a book. I can see where each media has its pros and cons.
Thanks for these thoughts, Bernie.
I do have in mind that the whole series will become the basis for a book. I'm not a historian, but there is space for some observation of trends.
In many ways, this series is plugging in some gaps in my forthcoming book, things that didn't quite have a place in it.
The bestiary is still in use. Now people tend to call it PAO or 00-99 PAO. It has evolved, but is essentially and vitally the same thing. It's important to understand that it was a bestiary in the first place because these are things that people were familiar with at the time.
Lynne likes animals a lot, so learning additional animals to build it out is not a burden. However, for most people, it's not necessary and that's why some of these things feel like "work" to them as described. The MMM has always cut the work out by helping people build the "bestiary" without me mentioning that is what it is in order to side-step the idea that this should ever involve undue effort.
Cathredral analysis might be possible, but the only ethical way to do it would be for me to visit actual cathedrals. In one of my videos, there is already a sneaky pic of the Sistine Chapel ceiling I took, but overall, I think they make for bad Memory Palaces compared to the options we have today. All of the rules you encounter in the books discussed by Yates were puzzled over by many people because they're hugely inefficient in most minds.
I talk about this problem indirectly here:
th-cam.com/video/DfAbOvR0zfE/w-d-xo.html
Thanks again for your feedback and I'll keep them all in mind for the rest of the series. :-)
"Confusion comes from a lack of application."
That is simply amazing. That is damn powerful and true. I didn't know it until you came out and said it. My God!
Thanks for highlighting this line. Much appreciated!
What kinds of outcomes are you looking for in your practice at the moment?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I've been procrastinating and doubting for so long that telling you what outcomes I want, rather than getting going, will lead to more procrastination on my part.
Even though I'm being reticent, I hope you'll answer me a question. I found part 2 and I've gotten through two thirds of it. You say the Rhetorica ad Herennium was not written by Cicero. I want to get a copy though; should I be buying the book that comes up on Amazon with Cicero credited as the author? Is that the same book you're talking about in part 2?
Any version of the text should do. :-)
I paused the video to write this line down as well. I associate it with a favorite quote from Disney animator Walt Stanchfield: "I have a formula: 'Impression minus expression equals depression.'" I put a reminder of that on my wall right after I read it in Drawn to Life: 20 Golden Years of Disney Master Classes: Volume 1: The Walt Stanchfield Lectures.
Wow - a great quote and this looks like an amazing book. Thanks for bringing it to our attention!
Your best video as of yet I can't wait to see your future videos on this series especially Thomas Aquinas! Keep up the great work!
Wow - glad this one is the best. I was hoping it would at least hit a nerve. Aquinas is indeed coming. This series will take time, but he will likely be covered in the first five videos and come up a number of times thereafter.
Thanks as always for your support and look forward to your next post!
Thank you! I am VERY much looking forward to the rest of this series.
Glad to hear it! How are things going with your memory training efforts lately? :-)
i liked what you said about "riddles" cause if the teacher just answers your question, you won't really learn much.
but by sparking interest & encouraging questions the student will learn more by seeking answers for themselves and deciding what it is they believe in.
i would love to see more in this series.
Thanks, Casey. I've got a lot of part Part Three written. Hope you're able to check out part Two in the meantime. It takes things even deeper. :-)
Not sure how youtube knew to recommend this, but I am glad it did.
I'm glad too.
Are you generally interested in classical era texts or memory-related content? That might be how it knew to recommend it to you.
If you got subscribed, I hope future videos will also be of interest to you, and please reach out any time with ideas of what you might like to see covered in future videos.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I am interested in that time period (Baroque/early Modern and where the everyday thinking associated with today's modern/postmodern (vs the CS Lewis medieval world) world comes from.
You also allude obliquely to some advaitic thinking when you talk about how the world actually exists as a sort of imagination (sort of) - "How far from 'me' is the glass on the table? No distance at all, because it is all me".
I was referred from a Roger Castillo video. Anyway, I am glad to be here
Thanks for this, John, and that is very interesting about the Roger Castillo link. The algo appears to know that I'm speaking in terms of non-duality.
Yes, I think that Bruno probably arrived at the same conclusion as Advaita Vedanta. But I don't think it is that the world exists as imagination. It is rather that the very notion of it doing so is in the screen.
In other realms of philosophy, the dual/non-dual issue seems to break down into soft solipsism and hard solipsism. Once one has seen it, there's a danger in making it a Golden Hammer that one sees everywhere and uses for everything... but if there is something that deserves the potential costs of this mistake, non-duality is probably worth it and some of the most ethical philosophers are at least alert to the problems inherent in not taking these issues into consideration.
Anyhow, CS Lewis is an interesting figure in this regard. The Great Divorce is something I'll have to read because it seems to have certain non-dual themes in it, now that I remember it. Out of the Silent Planet too.
Thanks again and look forward to hearing from you again soon! :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thanks. I mentioned CS Lewis more in the sense that he was a medievalist (in addition to being a Catholic apologist), and wrote about the world-view of the medieval times in his day job. Owen Barfield also talked about that.
Some kind of shift happened between the early 1400's and early Modern / Baroque times, related to understanding our place in the world, what time means, and other big implicit notions like that.
I will have to learn more about Bruno; I am not really familiar with him. And the Golden Hammer metaphor is nice, thanks.
Thanks for mentioning this. I must look deeper into it because it has always seemed to me that Lewis' Christianity is not really that at all. If he's drawing from these eras, then I imagine one will find much Neoplatonism, which is very much in evidence in The Great Divorce.
In any case, much more to think about and I appreciate the references you've mentioned. Thanks again! :-)
With this kind of passion for the topic, how can we not want more?? Yes, please!
Thanks so much for letting me know.
Were you able to see the reading and commentary on Bruno's Shadows that we held recently?
th-cam.com/video/ze06TKYfrO0/w-d-xo.html
I might do another session in a month or two.
WOW! I get so many new perspectives on memory every time I listen. You are inspiring me to keep on keeping on!
I'm so glad, Ben.
With all that is going on, Part Three of this series has been stalled. But if you haven't checked out Part Two yet, more inspiration and food for thought is on its way right here:
th-cam.com/video/X3rtsx8mvYU/w-d-xo.html
Thanks so much for your comment again and I look forward to reading your next post soon! :-)
You are a storehouse of ideas,thoughts,views and so many other things. Everytime I see your videos,I feel,as if I have got upgraded like the OS of a computer....getting updated!!
I love visiting your channels and videos. Please,keep making the videos. They are precious,you are precious.....
Thanks for the kind words. More videos coming soon! I am ✍️ new scripts. 😀
amazing! looking forward to next episodes on this 🙏🏼
Thanks for checking this out - scripting on part two is underway.
How are things going with your memory training since last we corresponded?
Thanks Anthony Metivier for posting this video! I learned a lot here and got turned on to a few good books in the process.
Glad it was helpful! I love when people follow-up on the book suggestions.
What have you read that helped you the most so far? :-)
I am a why-how-where- kind of person..... I'm profoundly convinced of the efficiency of mnemonics ( and childishly happy to see some of my memory palaces pass in the vid ).... but still...the theory behind things acts as a motor to me. So YESSSSS Anthony please.....bring it on !
Thanks so much for all your hard work and consistent enthusiasm.
Grtz from Antwerp and a big thumbs up !
Patricia
Glad you like theory. It is very important. Any aspects you’d like to see covered in the future videos?
Thanks as always for your beautiful MPs. Soon to be featured in the new book. Coming soon. 🚀🚀🚀
This video is really really interesting, I'm interested in more from the series please good continue
Glad this resonates with you, ki.
I'll see what I can do to get started on part two a.s.a.p. Thanks for your interest and support!
Just bought the Art of Memory. Will read it soon. I am looking forward to this. Thank you Dr. Anthony.
Many thanks, David. Will this be your first time reading it?
It’s my 3rd and every time it’s a mind-boggling experience.
Thanks as ever and look forward to your next post! 🙏
This will be my first time. Sounds like a gold mine from your enthusiasm. Will let you know what I learn. Going to take awhile to get here from Amazon.
There is indeed nothing quite like it. One could spend two lifetimes and still barely scratch the surface of the ideas and options this text helps us perceive. Do you have access to a university library in your area?
There is a small local public library near me that I access. There are universities/colleges all around the Chicagoland area. Can’t say I have had anything to do with their libraries. And I don’t have any affiliation with them. Why do you ask?
There are quite a few things locked behind paywalls. But if you have a library account, you can often access them.
Such connections have always been essential to my research.
Amazing stuff !!!! More video of this series, please!!!
Coming soon! Should be about 2 weeks.
Any questions or things you’d like to see in the future instalments?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thanks Anthony. It would be interesting you insight about Ramón Campayo's books or how your degree in Philosophy increased your memory techniques and critical thinking.
"Whatever that means." So funny! Laughed hysterically! Fantastic video introduction to the Yates book. Preach!
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for letting me know.
There are many more things to talk about from the book... I'm thinking through continuing the series... what do you think?
Any questions arise for you when reading it? :-)
Just watched the latest livestream. Really enjoyed it and this video. Would love for you to complete this series and a chapter by chapter analysis would be amazing. :)
More on how this connects with meditation and the space of the mind would be great too.
Thanks for checking it out, Kenji. It's good to know that you're interested in the full series.
This link should show you all the existing meditation videos on my channel:
th-cam.com/channels/dIwC3d4CRjrrQdaqZaNBpA.htmlsearch?query=meditation
Enjoy and look forward to your thoughts on any of them as you follow your bliss. :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thank you. :)
My pleasure!
Are you finding anything there to suit?
Please do let me know if there are specific questions about memory and meditation. I'm happy to answer them. And the new book coming out end of April goes very deep into the topic.
Thanks again and talk soon! :-)
Very interested in this. Currently reading The Memory Craft which touches on this subject. So interested to know more!
I'm currently struggling a bit conceptually with a subject I'm studying for - there's a part of a topic that I find confusing. It's difficult to put anything into implementation (which would normally help my understanding) as it's quite theoretical. Any ideas to help solidify that knowledge?
Glad you find this interesting!
Please pop in more detail about the subject and why you feel you’re struggling. I feel it’s counter-productive to generalize when it sounds like laser-targeting is needed.
Looking forward to more detail. :)
This is amazing thank you. I am getting depressed at my poor memory due to an auto immune desease so will be using this. It is very inspiring, thank you.
I also have auto immune issues, quite badly. Memory techniques have not only helped me power through learning - they also provide tremendous solace.
Power to you and just shout out if questions arise along the way. 🙏
I feel your skills at making videos become better, Anthony.
Enjoyed watching this.
Thanks, Vadims. It's all thanks to help from Allie. We work hard to make them as engaging as possible. More work to do, and I really appreciate your support.
How are things going with your learning and memory projects lately?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM
Indeed, thanks to Allie for helping to make this wonderful content.
Well. To be honest, I'm still struggling a bit with using known memory palaces (be it real, or virtual ones - I mostly use maps from a computer game called "Counter-Strike") mainly due to two reasons:
1. I find kinda boring assigning information/objects to memory stations in a sequential manner, so to speak, thus I often end up selecting stations from random places across these memory palaces (I like to call them "maps") - those stations which I consider most appropriate to a piece of information. Sometimes this works, sometimes this creates additional unnecessary confusion.
2. I still do not really understand how you can re-use memory palaces (for example, your room/house), as often previously remembered information stands in the place. In addition to that, I also find using my own house boring. :)
I wanted to find a way of storing information in a more or less cluster manner (close to each other) and not to be so dependent on real/virtual memory palaces.
That's why I came up with something more suited to my brain, needs and something that I find more fun and exciting to use - I use a standard 3x3 Rubik's cube form-factor (with 27 cubical slots within) as a mostly temporary memory palace to store info that is relevant to me at the moment. Firstly, some work-related things, like 4-digit ticket numbers, for example. But also other stuff, like internet content (youtube videos, posts) that I want to keep in my mind or that yet would like to watch/read, the content of the book.
Perhaps, "temporary" is not the best word to describe those. What I meant by that is that I create in my mind a new instance of such 3x3 memory palace sometimes even every single day, by placing currently important information in the center slot and then proceeding with the neighbor ones.
All slots have some kind of door between each other. That way, objects can interact and create additional memorable connections.
Sometimes, I use portals within these slots that may link to a slot within another instance of a 3x3 cube or to some more standard memory palace.
Rubik's side colors also are playing an important role in remembering. For example, when I store an object within one of the slots on the "green" side, I imagine one of the walls to be made of leaves, grass, tree. Blue is water/cold/winter, red - lava/fire, yellow - gold/coins, white - sky/fog, orange - well, oranges. :)
The cool thing about all this is that you can imagine rotating one of the sides and thinking how objects would've interacted with each other in that case.
If the information in one of the slots fades-out, I still try to remember it as hard as I can. And when I do, I use the approach of asking "Why?" several times. Why have I forgotten this piece of information? Because I couldn't "see" some specific object. Why is that? Because, it wasn't too colorful, for example. Why is that? And so on. That way I hope to improve my ways of remembering stuff.
All of this got me interested in Rubik's cube in general, so I ended up started watching youtube videos and learning different nitty-gritty details about it - different moves/combinations and how it is constructed physically, even. I find it fun and I think that this gives an additional layer of knowledge that can make further use of these memory cubes even more effective.
What I really would like to do, is to experiment in the future with other form-factors like 4x4, 5x5, and even more exotic and alien ones.
Interestingly enough, I came up with this idea while reading "Moonwalking with Einstein" this summer. Perhaps, this is the one most important and useful piece of information that I got from reading this book, although Joshua Foer didn't write about it at all. :D
PS: Feel free to mention this info in one of your future videos, Anthony. :) I'll be happy if people find this useful.
Awesome video. Very appreciated. Would definitely need to learn to how to construct and use Memory Palaces well. Please keep going.
Glad you could watch it.
For some steps to follow for Memory Palace construction, please see:
th-cam.com/video/l5-YrZhudPU/w-d-xo.html
That was awesome Anthony. Consider me on board. Did not know you were going to take us into realm of the witness. Lets do it!
I think if one goes back far enough, such as into the Vedas, memory seems to have evolved for self-realization, even if our minds wound up memorizing many things that cause us to forget what is always unfolding right in front of us.
Looking forward to the next video in the series
Thanks for letting me know, Pat.
Anything in particular you think we should focus on or that you have questions about for later in the series? :-)
i feel like people in general who are interested in all this knowledge have not heard of the literature Srimad Bhagavatam, which still exists and is openly available in original sanskrit with english translations, five thousand years old at it birth into writing it is actually far far older, and previous to being written it was an oral body of knowledge and still is passed on via oral reception, its a twelve volume set, of religious text but contains so much historical episodes from many long forgotten periods in history, so many ideologies, philosophies and descriptions of times, places and peoples long lost in history, its by far the most fascinating and interesting literature I have come across here in my life.
There is much amazing knowledge out there. You are lucky to have an interest in it.
Really liked your video. Thanks.
I'll watch it so many times.
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Great presentation, Doctor! Thank you.
Thanks for checking it out and saying so. Would you like to see more of the series?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Absolutely, 100%! Thank you for responding. I meant to edit the post to add that I would but I couldn't find it to do so and became distracted for a time. I was going to re-post.
My pleasure.
You're free to always just start another post. No need to fiddle around with editing old ones.
Look forward to reading what you want to say. :-)
Excellent video really interesting it's really sparked my interest, look forward to seeing more in the series.
I’m glad you liked it - part three coming soon!
Building a structure based on major system - first attempts remembering sets of 40 plus numbers seemingly without deterioration over a 96 hour period, the mnemonic figures start to evaporate or are associated so rapidly with the sequences that they meld into the numbers and it is effortless very encouraged by that sense of reach and potential. Conciousness of how my cognitive enviroment,or state of mind, finds all efforts to be subtly improved. My challenge is to associate and 'story build' faster but of course that improves and I have found ways to bolster this. Thank you good doctor for opening the gates. 🙏
This deterioration is surely fixable.
What are some examples of your associations and how robustly are you doing Recall Rehearsal?
Interestingly I am 58 years old and have not felt this way since early elementary school where I read at a college level and had a strong natural memory -.much trauma followed and it has taken me awhile to come out of it; this work feels like coming home - restorative as well as new.
Memory work is the great restorer. I have found that too and discussed with some memorized examples here:
th-cam.com/video/kvtYjdriSpM/w-d-xo.html
Power to you and may the solace and fulfilment continue to deepen!
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I found myself horribly slow at creating connections between a 1:1 or sometimes 2:1 associates to number table so I made 3 lists of associates by 1-0 subjects, places, things, 1- dog, Thor, dave(personal) diner, dairy(personal) thimble, door, dagger. This has sped up my 'story' making so I am encouraged. I recalled last weeks numbers and added 40 number sequence this morning - some of which are important numbers. And can recall. Recalled last weeks numbers after days of not practicing very quickly - love how the mind does that. Thank you so much again for these videos rhetoric is of great interest to me in the context of social responsibility and architecture as well as memory.
This video felt like 3 minutes long. Very interested in this series, can't wait for the next one. Great work Dr. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for letting me know - this is great feedback and the script for part two is already underway.
Any other things you'd like to see covered on the channel? Any questions you've had about some of the older texts from the mnemonic tradition?
If so, please let me know. The more I know about what people are interested in, the more I can cover. :-)
Thank you for all of your work!
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Doctor, thank you for the knowledge, time, and gift 🖖😀
My pleasure! What are you reading and memorizing at the moment?
Bravo Dr. Metivier! This was inspiring! Ecpecially second time I watched it!
Btw., I'm an an aspiring Pataphysician currently working on Pataphore. And yes, this is my real surname, or you if you prefer, my surreal name. Yo can call me Pat if you like. :-)
Wonderful!
24:20 Reminds me of something similar i ran into in R.Hanson's Buddha's Brain:
Virtual Reality
Sometimes these poisons are conspicuous; much of the time, however, they operate in the background of your awareness, firing and wiring quietly along. They do this by using your brain’s extraordinary capacity to represent both inner experience and the outer world. For example, the blind spots in your left and right visual fields don’t look like holes out there in the world; rather, your brain fills them in, much like photo software shades in the red eyes of people looking toward a flash. In fact, much of what you see “out there” is actually manufactured “in here” by your brain, painted in like computer-generated graphics in a movie. Only a small fraction of the inputs to your occipital lobe comes directly from the external world; the rest comes from internal memory stores and perceptual-processing modules (Raichle 2006). Your brain simulates the world-each of us lives in a virtual reality that’s close enough to the real thing that we don’t bump into the furniture.
This is a great connection - thanks so much for sharing
it. I’m going to look further into this and really appreciate you helping out by sharing some connections and resources.
Part Two will be out very soon and I look forward to your thoughts on it.
To your point, a friend just mentioned to me the role of the eye and how it too is involved in “making” the world. There’s an interview on the channel you might find interesting with Gerrard Gosens - blind from birth but still gifted with memory he amplifies with technique:
th-cam.com/video/-930UmWv1FI/w-d-xo.html
I had from aphasia and will still be going for now with the first of communication, fluency, memory palace and law books.
Law is a very fascinating topic to study. Enjoy!
This video is a masterpiece!
Thanks, Md7. Any questions or thoughts about the next instalment in the series?
Very interesting video. I learned about Stillness Speaks by Eckhart Tolle because you recommended it maybe 2 months ago. Since then I've been looking to increase my spiritual wisdom and knowledge. To see you speak of memory and non-dualism together seems perfectly timed with where I am right know. I might just restart my memory journey.
Thank you very much.
Thanks kindly for your post. It has always struck me that Eckhart Tolle has a very good memory. I'm certain that non-dual realization and memory go together.
Are you familiar with Gary Weber?
After reading his works, I started memorizing the Sanskrit he recommends. It led to many great things from Advaita Vedanta, and I was delighted to find that a lot of hermeticism is ultimately the same thing.
If you need any resources, just let me know. There's a video where I recite a very long Sanskrit text and discuss the process. It doesn't have to be Sanskrit, but it's the meaning of the self-inquiry that helps so much for those drawn to it.
Thanks again and look forward to your future posts! :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Yes! I bought Happiness Beyond Thought the same day as stillness speaks. put it aside for some reason and didn't come back to it. Thanks for reminding me and thank you for your time/post. Keep it up!
Sometimes this is the way. I have to look more into synchronicity one of these days, but for now it is interesting to think through our book collecting and reading habits using the Pareto Principle. More is more when you look at it that way. :-)
Lets say you want to use a art museum as a memory palace and you want to use the rooms plus the paintings on the walls plus stations within the paintings. How could you possibly map that out?
Please give me about a week. I'll add a video to the FAQ section about this.
Creating such a Memory Palace is much simpler than it seems if you know the techniques, and there is a way to do it without increasing cognitive load. Please stand by. :-)
Very interesting and well done video. Excellent compliment to the Magnetic Memory Method Masterclass. It reeeeeeaaaalllly put palaces and imagery in context. There certainly was an “aha” moment that spanned most of this video.
More videos like this please!!
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks so much for letting me know.
I'm hoping to get back to this series soon. Any questions that you have about the older memory tradition and its steps? I find these videos go much better when they have some Q&A component rather than me riffing on what I think is important to know. :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I'm just working my way through the series. So far the "awe" factor is slowing my critical thinking, but I think once I review my notes there will be one or two questions!
Still, I'm finding a preference for vicarious learning followed by experiential learning, then discarding or customizing. When I get to that last stage is when my questions come up.
Hopefully my process will be timely and contribute to you're process.
@@geoffdumas7549 I think the preference you mention is well-placed. One reason why is that you give yourself the opportunity to answer your own questions this way and be the teacher to yourself and others at the same time.
And if it doesn't work out, the questions tend to be much better, which means they great much better answers in the end.
At least, that is what I've observed over the many years I've been teaching so far.
Looking forward! :-)
I almost never comment on TH-cam but I will here to say how much I'm benefiting from your work. Please keep up the videos.
Thanks for commenting, Philip. It helps so much and I really appreciate hearing from you.
Have you read The Art of Memory yourself? :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Not yet though it's on my reading list. I've read two other books you recommended (Moonwalking with Einstein and a more practically oriented one I forget the name of). The challenge is finding the time. I've been using what I've learned from you for just over two months how and have remembered phenomenal amounts of material. When it comes to long term memory, about a month after not having thought about the subject much, your kave cogs mnemonic really helps. I'm also working on speeding the process of memorizing up, though getting fast requires lots of work at the beginning (as you mention in your videos). For me, one major advantage of this approach is spiritual. It helps me meditate deeply and interactively with the (Christian) theological and scriptural texts I memorize. If I ever fully get the hang of this I'd love to teach it to other Christians for spiritual purposes.
Time is indeed the thing people seem to wrestle with the most.
I don't pretend to have the answer for that, but it does seem that journaling and time tracking helps a lot of people start to see where they can fit things in. And memory techniques definitely save time because you don't have to spend so much of it on learning.
I also find these techniques very spiritually rewarding. Being able to memorize long form texts from the tradition I practice was huge. I cannot recommend mastering this skill for daily passage meditation highly enough.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Another benefit I want to look into is the advantages of memory palaces for people with ADHS (which I have). Visualizing the information in spatially fixed positions is amazing for keeping the thoughts "in place," some thing that is a challenge for people like my self. There is an ADHS research centre near where I live in Germany. I may link up with them I feel I have something to suggest in this area.
That's sounds like a great plan - I'm sure they can use help the help they can get.
It's interesting about struggling with fixed positions.
I tend to experience the MP technique as very fluid, so there's no particular requirement for things to be "fixed" as such. The general reference could be called "fixed," but since it is in the imagination, I'm not sure such words apply.
That said, some science has suggested a one-to-one correspondence between where things are in the world and where they are stored in the brain. But given that the world itself is moving, as are the chemicals in the brain, it seems like an odd requirement for things to be overly fixed in the art of memory.
Perhaps those who struggle will benefit from being a big more fluid and flexible with the technique? :-)
I thought about that and i always do. One of the 12 pathways i memorized 5o years ago is this “ i am continually calming the restless scanning of my rational mind in order to perceive the finer energies that enable me to unitively merge with everything around me”. I find that working with memories and visualizations also makes my own Witness more clear and prominent. After all, who sees the memories. Does this fit into our conversation?
This definitely fits, Brian, and thanks for sharing it.
There are lots of technical language games one could play with exactly how one words the "This" to which we are referring, but it seems you're switched on. In my own experience, the bliss of fusing with what some call the "Witness" ebbs and flows, and consistently grows the more memory practice plays its part.
In scientific terms, I think it is merely necessary to get started and keep going so that "procedural memory" can help the operations start taking place more-or-less on autopilot and certainly when most needed.
I have some more related to this aspect of the memory work here if you're interested:
th-cam.com/video/kvtYjdriSpM/w-d-xo.html
I like Witness, Observer, Watcher. Acronym Wow! But like you say just fingers pointing to the moon. Glad to be a part of this whole tradition. Not that i am fretting, but its funny that i have not become aware of this earlier. Oh well.
That is indeed a very "WOW" acronym. Love it! :-)
Ugh! It feels like it's been two weeks since the first video. I can't wait for the next one.
Thanks, Chris. I'm scripting part two today and will hopefully shoot it over the weekend or on Monday.
I also thought it was kind of important to get out this one on mental strength during these times:
th-cam.com/video/qxH06MEuYjY/w-d-xo.html
Hope it gives you some value while we're working on part two of The Art of Memory series for you.
Any particular parts of Yates' book you'd like me to cover?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I've never read it. I just finished Make It Stick, the Science of Learning and I will buy this book when I have the extra money in a few weeks. Meanwhile, I will watch your videos with much anticipation.
The Art of Memory is a bit tough in places, but I'm confident this series will bring clarity.
Any big takeaways for you from Make it Stick? :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM 1. The importance of spaced repetition and interleaving
2. I.Q. is not static and should not be what is measured in school, the process of learning by using the correct learning systems is
3. The forgetting curve is very important. Though not stated directly in the book, I believe that forgetting is our self defense mechanism that eliminates all of the junk we are bombarded with to persuade us to buy this and believe that. By forgetting and then using active recall and rehearsal, we tell the brain to keep this information because it is important.
4. "People who learn to extract the key ideas from new material and organize them into a mental model and connect that model to prior knowledge show an advantage in learning complex mastery." page 6
5. The power to shape our intellectual abilities is within our control, based on the systems of learning we use and the amount of effort put into those systems, not the color of our skin, where we grew up, or how good or bad we performed academically in the past.
I could write page after page of what I learned from that book.
Great summary!
If you ever do write pages and pages about the book, I'd love to read them and even have them shared here. It's great for your own memory and helps others.
About forgetting being a defense mechanism, I think that is the case in some circumstances, but more needs to be known. Dr. Robert Langs though there was no such thing as forgetting, but rather that the unconscious "filtered" out certain things, the way our bodies sometimes capture and remove foreign entities.
Thus, what we call forgetting is really an adaptation that would make us effectively autistic without it. The problem is that it clearly doesn't work very well, and that's why psychoanalysis evolved. Before that, we had the kind of teachings Giordano Bruno and others who practiced The Art of Memory offered to help us cope better.
Thanks again for your thoughts and always looking forward to more. Talk soon! :-)
love it . I am interested in Memory.
Thanks so much for checking it out.
Have you created and used a Memory Palace before?
Thanks for the reference brother, I watched this video recently lol thanks again!
Great that you’d seen it. Hope you get a chance to give it a read if you haven’t already.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM 100% I will read it for sure.
This was very good, I love your presentation and enthusiasm. I wonder if you touch on Plato or Plotinus in any of these videos..this is my first time watching. I'm actually reading a book on Yates, right now and have known of both Yates and Bruno for quite awhile. Your crystalline introduction and understanding is really appreciated. Most teachers don't go this route...glad I found your channel.
Thanks for your kind words and for checking this one out.
Part Three is coming out soon and in it I refer to my course on Aristotle. In that course, I pack in Plato.
I don't talk about Plotinus in that course, but the Neo-Platonic will come up eventually. It will also come out in a new interview I've done with John Michael Greer about his Bruno translations of On the Shadows of the Ideas.
I do hope to go deeper into this material, but it's not yet clear whether or not there is enough interest to go through all 17 chapters of The Art of Memory in this manner.
May I ask what book on Yates you're reading at the moment? :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I'm reading the biography by Marjorie G Jones....
Ah yes, that is a good one and helped in my research for this video.
It would be interesting to learn more about her life, but this is a very fine study indeed.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM One more inquiry, from me. What did you of Bruno's portrayal in the series Cosmos by Neil
deGrasse Tyson?
It is a fun and important production. But it's not a replacement for reading deeply and taking the fullest possible context to see how Bruno resolves the contradictions inherent in what I am interpreting as nonduality much more than pantheism. I think he resolves it mathematically and in Part Two of this series do more to demonstrate how this works by examining the rhetoric he uses.
What did you think of the Cosmos installment?
I would love this video series
That’s great to know, Grant. Have you read The Art of Memory before?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I read about half of it. I had to read it slowly. It was a library book. I plan to get it again and start from the beginning. I've been more of a reader since then.
It's good that you've already started with it. Yates can feel slow because she's an author from another era. She's also writing for people she assumes knows the historical era and something of the memory tradition.
That's why she sometimes uses 3 different terms (or more) to describe the same thing. It is confusing and it helps to take notes as you read to figure some of it out.
And in this video series, I will also help tease it out. That's one reason why I want to do it, so I'm glad you're interested. Many of the books she herself is pointing to are equally confusing, because those people too were writing for their era and used a lot of shorthand because they assumed their audiences already knew a lot of what they were talking about.
For us, the trick to improving our reading comprehension and not getting bogged down is quite simple:
Just keep reading and taking notes. These tips will help too:
th-cam.com/video/anRi9lhlfvs/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/U64awMHJkAU/w-d-xo.html
But all those fine strategies aside, just reading without pause while using index cards is one of the best things we can do. The mind percolates on its own when it knows we want something and engagement often happens when we're not paying attention.
Does that make sense? :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Yes thank you.
Fantastic. Looking forward to further thoughts as they emerge and warm wishes for an amazing weekend!
Sie haben mich wieder einmal an die Hand genommen und mir das Feuerwerk des Bewustseins gezeigt. Freude schöner Götterfunken!
Danke sehr!
Ich habe eine Frage über Grammatik. Meinen Sie hier "Sie" als ich. Order "Sie" als "they." Ist das ein Zittat?
Wenn du "ich" meinst, können wir gerne duzen! :-)
Thanks!
Thanks for checking it out!
Nice video it was really interesting and motivating cant wait for the next episode.
Thanks for chiming in to let me know. I'm already working on the script. :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Nice to hear :)
What an outstanding video. I'm very interested in the connection between Bruno and the work of Shakespeare. Your videos are definitely going to add fascinating context.
I've carefully built a 462 room palace for a project I am about to begin. I've maintained the palace for several years and want to start using it. But is there any way I can send you a brief question with the details of my goal? I think you might be able to easily guide me in the right direction before I begin.
Phenomenal video!
Thanks for checking out this video and your kind words.
By all means visit my site and send a message. Or just post it here for the common good.
Thanks again and talk soon!
Awesome video, very informative, 🤔🧐
Thanks, Isaiah. I appreciate hearing from you.
Any particular things you'd like to see covered in future videos on the channel?
This is the kind of video we want projecting out into the cosmos. Just in case.
Thank you. But...
Just in case of...
What?
Millions of Yes for Giordano Bruno's series
Thanks for the vote!
Hey long-haired internet dude, you’re great. Thanks for all your videos and work, glad to be here!
Hey, thanks for your comment! What kind of information do you want to remember better? :-)
Anthony Metivier I’d like to be able to remember everything better (well maybe not everything actually)! If I had to prioritize... anything related to music, languages, stars, history, nature, mythology. Plenty :) Excited to explore more of your channel
Glad you have the power of prioritization on your side. That is a key skill for life!
Excited to have you here and looking forward to your next posts soon! :-)
Anthony Metivier I was really only here to learn more about one of my favorite heretics, didn’t expect to fall into a treasure trove
Thanks for the kind words!
How long have you been into Bruno?
So anyone know the what song is at the beginning of this video? I love that beat! 😂
If memory serves, it was originally purchased for a game I was developing at one point, but abandoned. It was included in the software package I purchased, though it probably originally came from some royalty free source that the software did not mention.
Im from Philippines but im really in to it.. Ill subcribe. And expect more from you sir
Great to have you join us!
What kinds of things do you want to remember better?
Iv always been a giver and helper because we get more 😊
Just imagine all the good that will happen when you give without the because. :-)
Hi sir, i am so thrilled and want to go next. I read your 3 pdfs about memory palace. And now what next!! What i must to do?
Is the next step is joining your courses? Is i am right?
I'm glad you're thrilled - I am too. Every day the power of these techniques excites me even more.
Yes, please complete the PDFs and videos. And make sure to complete the exercises too. It's in the doing that the real learning takes place. :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM hi sir. I am so happy by telling you my result as beginner right now👌🏻. It is normal taking 15 minutes to make my objects creative? And i am knowing about the place.. But i notice myself focus in making creative pictures but not storing them in place.. Should i first train myself on making creative pictures? Then move to placing them? Or do both in the same time?
Also i am having question that if there's object i can't memorize it. Thats mean it needs to be more creative?
I would suggest working on both at the same time. After all, a Memory Palace is a mental image, isn't it? One of the points of this video series is that they aren't actually different.
I could be wrong, not completely sure. But I don't think Bruno is saying that memory is the gateway to enlightenment. As far as I recall , it is in the context of ars combinotoria and how it helps in thinking and making decisions, So it's more like learning to contemplate things fully can lead you up a stairway to enlightenment. Again I could be wrong but I am pretty sure of the statement I have given.
Interesting. What specifically in his texts makes you conclude this?
Keep in mind, I’m not talking about Enlightenment either - what could that word possibly mean in the thesis I’ve offered?
Hello sir, please after the vedio please share the key point like what to do or what not to do,I want to say that some basic tips like specified key points of memory vedio summary.
Thanks for your post.
I have many videos on this channel that do exactly that - but they make the most sense if you've taken my free course first.
It's available exclusively on my site and the link is always in the description.
Enjoy!
Ok sir.thank
Nice video.
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I'm in, thank you Master.
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@@AnthonyMetivierMMM it may sound crazy for some... How should I call you?
I am a complete beginner in this field but strongly motivated to get as much knowledge efficiently (and find later on ways to transmit it) , where should I start?
Thank you.
Just call me Anthony. :-)
I would suggest starting with the free course on my site. :-)
Great video / book discussion. I hesitated watching it at first, because what's the point reading Yates' book if I know she never used the techniques she describes? Shouldn't I rather spend my time with a book from someone who knows from practice and own experience? But now you got me intrigued and I will order and read it. Likewise check out all the other references you made. Great suggestions and probably enough to keep me busy in 2022.
It’s definitely worth reading. Her core thesis us highly questionable, but it is packed with all kinds of tidbits. Enjoy the places it takes and I look forward to your next post!
Dr Metivier we do want the new content, I have a very important exam I have to pass pertaining to my job I might have mentioned it’s a real estate exam I don’t have time to order read and implement the ultimate magnetic memory guide because the exam is in 3weeks can you give me some advice on remembering large amounts of content, I just get overwhelmed, anyhow I know I’m going to purchase your guide here in the next few days so I can’t wait for that, thanks for all your videos
Thanks so much for your post and interest in my work.
Large amounts of content will benefit from having a fully developed Memory Palace Network.
I'm unaware of another way or else I'd be using it.
The trick to saving time in the long run is to set aside a small amount of time to learning these techniques and setting up your memory systems.
You'll receive more time in return than you ever thought possible. But the upfront "sacrifice" is required.
Please let me know if you have any further questions and I'll get back to you a.s.a.p.
I'm reading chapter 1 before the next episode comes out
Awesome - should be about 2 weeks. Please post any questions here so I can pick them up in the scripts for future videos. ✍️✍️✍️
Love this
Thanks for letting me know, Jonathan.
I'm shooting part two today.
Any thoughts, questions or suggestions for the rest of the series? I plan to analyze each and every chapter of the book.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Dr metivier, I don't have any thoughts on the subject, but I think I will reread Bruno's book it's been a long time since I've read it. I am really looking forward to seeing your critique and criticism.
That's great, Jonathan. I think you'll really enjoy reading it and hope my commentary helps open some new ways of thinking about it. Part two will hopefully be out in the next couple of days.
This will be about chapter one and I focus on the most valuable parts of Rhetorica Ad Herennium that Yates strangely does not bring out in the text. And I try to think through how Bruno used the tools and why he failed to use them when he was on trial. I ultimately don't know the answers, but hopefully the speculations will be useful for you, along with the tips on using the Memory Palace technique better.
In the meantime, are you keeping safe during these times?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMMI cant wait! I know it is going to be great!
Awesome - thanks for letting me know. Till soon!
very nice need more.
Thanks. When you say you need more, how would you describe that need? What are you hoping to fulfill and what will be improved when you have it?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM good question had not thought of that. perhaps to start with a more in-depth on Yates and then a review of each of the texts mentioned in this video in the mean time I will lisen to your podcasts on your site.
I plan to pick up on more of Yates life in the different videos. It’s not necessary to go through every single book she mentions, but I’ve read a lot of them and will shed some light on each.
Of course, commentary is not a replacement for your own reading. How likely is it that you would follow-along by reading some of the texts she mentions, including her book itself?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Good question I have already marked all the books you mentioned in my amazon wish list so its just a matter of when. I have manage my time because of a long reading list and just finished improving your memory for dummies by John Arden.
Ah yes, John Arden. I spoke with him once. He's a cool guy.
Any takeways from his book that stood out to you?
I thought Yates was as man! Her name is Frances, read the same as francis, a typically male name. such a shame that she didn't use the techniques. I experience a better self-control and ind organization now that I've applied the techniques. Now, I deeply understand why it's important to know where the magnetic imagery must reside in a memory palace. Objects always exist on a place. if our imagery doesn't, it can be easily lost. now, i always ask myself"where this image exists?" 99% of the time i receive an answer. If something is out there, is never out of place. it is in a place. even in our own head :)
I think a lot of people do think she's a man. Her biography is very interesting, so I can recommend it if you want to know more about a very impactful writer.
Yes, space is supreme. We'll be getting more into it as we go.
Thanks for the comment and look forward to the next one.
How are you keeping during these time? Please keep us posted! :-)
Sir do a video on your notes, how you prepared and tell us we can do better
Thanks for asking about note taking. I'm fairly unconventional when it comes to this topic.
Please see:
th-cam.com/video/U64awMHJkAU/w-d-xo.html
I'm honored for your reply.
It's my pleasure. Did the note taking video help?
Yes sir
That's great.
What do you need more details on, if anything?
The memory palace has its limits. Given a 364 page book and so creat a memory palace out of each page or abstract mathematics were your limited to understanding and memory is a secondary problem. Good luck 👍
Hence this tutorial where the power of limits are maximized for best results:
th-cam.com/video/eIQRiqQFKQY/w-d-xo.html
No luck needed, just strategy.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I'll check it out but as a practitioner of the art of memory for over 20 years I've found the tony buzans mind Mapping mix with the art of memory skills more efficient but at the same time not definite.
The major limitations with the art of memory is that some people can't picture images in their head (Aphantasia) and so the art of memory will render its skills useless and some that can use the 5 senses naturaly to create unforgettable images. Memory in a sense is rubbish and important at the same time. I admire your dedication 👏
@@Jimmy20492049 Is it possible that you're practicing a different art of memory? The one I practice works just fine for people with aphantasia. Please see:
th-cam.com/video/y0Z88TSKejw/w-d-xo.html
Are WE=mc2 living in the NOW, or are wee only memory?
That is the great mystery! :-)
How could Erasmus be quoted by Quintillian, he lived 1500 years earlier, maybe you mean that Erasmus was quoting Quintillian?
Also very interested in the rest!
Yikes... well, as I said in the video, me making mistakes is inevitable. However, looking back at the text, it sure sounds like that is how Yates is framing it. But it's one of the reasons the book is so misleading sometimes. She uses sometimes 3-5 different terms to express the same things.
Unfortunately, fixing things in these videos is not possible, but thanks for noticing it and pointing it out. I'll look for the exact spot that led me to write it out this way and appreciate you noticing. I think I better try to find someone to fact check the scripts...
I'm glad you're interested in the series too. Thanks for letting me know!
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Indeed mistakes are inevitable, how could we learn otherwise ;) And indeed at times in her sometimes complicated writing she makes it seem that memory systems are too cumbersome to put to use in daily life.
Thanks, Geert-Jan. I now see where the fault is really all my own. Yeats:
"The quotation is from Erasmus; but behind the words of the great scholar we can hear those words of Quintilian" (133).
I need to double-check everything next time. One of these days I'll perhaps be able to get someone on the team to fact-check all my scripts. That person will need to know the tradition as well as you do.
But for now, is it cool with you if I quote your correction and discuss it as the memory issue it is? I can't actually remember how I came to mis-remember the passage when writing, but that too is an interesting note when we're discussing the Yates Thesis about Bruno. We all tend to remember things how we want to remember them, not necessarily how they happened (which is a mis-worded quote itself from a movie).
Thanks as always and looking forward to your further thoughts and vigilant eye! :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM you're welcome to use the correction as you see fit. It is also interesting to see, what the humanists focussed on. As a consequence I have reread the passage of Quintillian on memory techniques. (I have a very good Dutch translation) And I think he holds the loci method in very high regard, or he wouldn't have written three pages about it. But of you have to give a (Latin)book-long speech This word for word image technique is too cumbersome and so he groups the words or alinea's and then still attaches a memorable image to it. But the humanists only read sentence 40, that you only have to practise ,memorise a lot and think and work hard at it. But my conclusion s that to memorize , is to include and use the preceding described techniques and do it often.
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Yes I want it on TH-cam
Thanks for confirming!
Anything else you'd like to see covered from this book or other aspects of the memory journey?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I only have read one memory book yet , and that was unlimited memory by Kevin horsley , and I really liked it . You said this book have many flaws in it , I wanna read it but will it help me in anyway? I mean I do wanna read it but I m just unsure if it be good as that Kevin Horsley book.
It's really hard to compare the two. The Art of Memory will both teach you a lot about the techniques, but potentially teach you nothing about them you don't already know - no one else can say.
What I can say is that if you truly care about memory techniques, then this book is a MUST read regardless of how it compares to any other memory book. It is simply part of the path, and the true memory master lets go out of the outcome anyway. There is no certainty of anything in life, except for the certainty that reading is always worth it.
Does this way of looking at things make sense to you?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM well yes , it does make sense , and I will read it .
Great. I look forward to your thoughts and insights on it!
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wow.
Great to see you again, coda. Have you read this book?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I just ordered it =D
Great! That will make the series more interesting and meaningful for you as we go through it.
Anything else new with you lately?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I have made 3 more mind palaces for Turkish vocabulary!
That's fantastic!
How long have you been studying Turkish?
im here cuz of mr scientific
Great to have you here! :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM thanks,no problem
I’m in sir
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I read Yates but learnt nothing of practical value. Bruno had secret magic techniques which are lost or hidden. I've listened to a few top actors talk about memorization of lines. Most use simple repetition. Aquinas set things down in order like something which we do routinely now.
Sorry you didn't find anything of value in it. I've found it tremendously valuable as a leaping board for finding other texts - many of which would almost certainly be lost if Yates hadn't listed them in this text.
Aquinas actually has some incredibly powerful memory tips beyond just order. I sometimes talk about them in some of my live streams.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM yes as a leaping board but it failed to deliver anything of real practically value in itself. I found that elsewhere. William Walker Atkinson wrote a book on memory which I think was more practical. History is profoundly interesting but too much shrouded in secrecy which gets frustrating. I've learned a lot of shakespearean lines just by repetition. Once learned never forgotten.
Well, as I suggested in the video, it's a problem that Yates seems not to have used the techniques herself.
I've read Atkinson, but did not find much of practical use in his training - though there are a few key ideas I've commented on before. What about his suggestions help you the most?
I dont know if the Catholic Church covers up science. To be honest, the evolution theory originated from the Catholics as well as most of our modern science.
There's some truth to that, but there are also multiple means of "cover" and to say that the Catholic church isn't involved in such operations (not to mention individuals related to it) strikes me as wilful denial.
One might even call the smallest iota egregious considered in the context of this video and what was done to Bruno. But hey, I'm not the one who built his statue and placed it with Bruno's back to the Vatican. ;-)
He would have been better off moving to Calvinist Geneva. Rome’s influence was not felt as much there.
Possibly, yes. But then would his memory books have commanded as much attention?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM lol. You just proved it’s publish AND perish
@@HasturYellowSign Indeed.
Or publish and then be re-published defanged by hoi polloi.
Does your long hair help you remember? That’s the secret isn’t it?
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Funny how he talks about memory and having done the practice himself and yet read everything he says from a screen..
Not when it matters, such as for this demonstration:
th-cam.com/video/kvtYjdriSpM/w-d-xo.html
Demonic method
How so?
I'm into a lot of woo woo as you put it😂😂😂 but memory techniques are truly life saving and mood boosting. I am quite busy dealing with the Corona Virus situation and am using memory palaces to manage stress.
Thanks for checking in during a busy time.
I softened my stance on ‘woo’ over the years, but still ask people to consider two basic questions:
If it’s true, what changes?
If it isn’t true, what changes?
In the absence of free will, I’m not sure the answers matter. But those who are truly awake use the acts of will they do have to ensure that whatever they are into and doing with those fascinations minimizes harm to others.
In this case, the implications of Bruno’s “magic,” was never woo, but pretty much the same stance we find in Weber and other secular non-dualists.
Self-inquiry strikes some as so radical, and yet it is really just basic math.
Thanks as always for your comments and please keep as safe as possible. Talk soon!
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I spent time tonight memorizing a poem and getting to work on my 80s music life long project. Not a question of if but when I get COVID-19 I will spend my 14 days reading and memorizing. Reality of health care is I do occasionally pick up diseases from patients lol...Corona will be no different unfortunately.
There are certainly worse ways to spend 14 days. I have a kind of "not if but when" approach to it as well. Same thing with every possible outcome - might as well embrace it. Like Mr. Death says: "Catch you later"... ;)
What poem did you memorize? :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM A Tree Song by Rudyard Kipling...I was in a mood when I went for a bike ride, and was testing myself to see if I remembered anything of what I memorized before Ole Man Winter set in. I remembered quite a bit. Just because today is Saturday, I will work on my 80s songs lol
I haven't read Tree Song before - it's very interesting. Thanks!
80s songs seem just as interesting, so I look forward to hearing more about how that develops as you go. :-)