Big Corporation Pet Food is All About Profits....Really?
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- Many of us feel large pet food companies are all about profits and care little about the health of pets. It's the little pet food companies that care.
well, is that true of all large companies?
Lets take a look at Colgate Palmolive, the parent company of Hill's Pet Nutrition and Science Diet.
Thank you for this video. I got myself trapped into that ingredients game for a bit, and I’m glad I came across your channel.
My dad growing up in Jamaica had several dogs that were fed corn meal and cod fish 1 x daily. Plenty of land to roam and run. They all lived long and healthy lives. Yes, they got occasional bones as treats but their daily diet consisted of that and were FINE. Key point here is: They were fed corn. LOL 🎉
Same in the South. Lots of houndsmen fed cornmeal to their dogs. Purina and Hill's weren't involved.
I would happily give my money to big pet food companies because I know they hire full time experts who work on the diets and perform tremendous testing. I would never pay a cent to a small company that hires no full time vet nutritionist and uses my own pets as their lab rats no matter how "glamorous" their ingredients might sound. Merry Christmas!
George, I totally understand anyone’s concern about big companies. There are definitely reasons to be suspicious! But I do believe we can be suspicious of small companies too. Everyone is profit based! Not everyone has the same ethics! So….. Show me the nutrients!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy to me it’s more logical to be more suspicious of small companies because there is no way they have the same money to have quality control and hire experts as do the big companies. I’m all for supporting small businesses but that’s for cloth items and random stuff, not when my or my pets’ health is at stake.
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy All those experts forgot to mention that organic nutrients, such as calcium and phosphorus, have much lower bioavailability in dogs and cats. They therefore have little or no negative impact on health. Inorganic nutrients used in commercial pet food, are what cause all the problems. Read the NIH study, "Effects of the long-term feeding of diets enriched with inorganic phosphorus on the adult feline kidney and phosphorus metabolism." Dec. 21, 2018. People need to spend less time on TH-cam and do some real research. Happy New Year!
@@edschulhof6303 well, I confess I do leave that research to the experts. As someone said in here the other day, claiming she was in research, not all research or even peer reviewed studies are equal. I could cite a few studies from the 99s claiming all kibble da of things that have been rejected by the rest of the body of evidence. But I hope all these issues are debated among those who aren’t simply armchair nutritionists like us! Grabbing one study is like taking one verse from the Bible and declaring a doctrine. Not a good idea.
What is difference wish Purina one large breed dog food vs puri a Proplan. Mineral count looks identical. Only price I see different
3 months ago, we switched our 12 year old's Freshpet diet, to Farmer's. Biggest mistake of our lives. We have spent the last 2 months, trying to get her allergic reaction to it, under control.
I so love your videos but gosh listening to some of these other Channels you highlight raises my stress level. Not because they don’t have their right to their opinion, but because it is so ill informed and convincing to people who don’t know any better
Dr Rea, I know exactly how you feel!
Hill's third quarter 2023 profit was $201 million. Hills accounted for 22% of Colgate-Palmolive sales. Colgate is spending $700 million to purchase three dry food manufacturing plants from Red Collar Pet Foods. That's a lot of money for a product that is mostly corn, $4.73 a bushel and wheat, $6.98 a bushel. By restricting distribution, Hill's can maintain higher prices and higher profits. Automobile dealers call it "market adjustment." Animal sourced protein, amino acids and fat are definitely processed differently than plant based in a dog or cat. Glyphosate, the main ingredient of Roundup, is found in most dry pet food, due to the grains. You have said yourself that lower nutrients come from better ingredients.
Ed, the price one pays for a pound of a food seems to have no correlation to its nutritional value, as we have seen comparing foods. I wouldn’t know but I imagine the costs of ingredients might be much lower than the cost of formulating a complete diet with optimal nutrients. And thanks for the financial info on Colgate and Hills but a bit off topic. Rachel’s belief is Colgate is simply profit driven. The facts contradict that. As far as Hills buying plants, they need them terribly to maintain their normal growth. But who knows. I would be very concerned to see Science Diet go mass.
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy I just presumed that you own stock. LOL. If Hill's is expanding, then their marketing is doing better than the marketing of "not Hill's" shall we say? So you have nothing to worry about! Merry Christmas and Hanukkah Sameach!
@@edschulhof6303 No, I don’t have any Colgate stock anymore. Yes, Hills market share is doing well. from TH-cam videos you’d think Hills was goi g to disappear tomorrow. The critics seem to want to avoid the obvious… people who feed Hills are pretty happy with the results. But I still am amazed at the amt of money in pet food. No wonder so many food companies are popping up! Have a great holiday! We’ll have a lot to argue about in 24!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Yep! But first College bowl season. Anyone but the Wronghorns! LOL
@@edschulhof6303 I hope you appreciate I did not make a big deal about the Army win over Navy. Just remember, no little boy ever played Navy!!!!! They play Army!
I just came across your channel. It’s so informative. Would you be able to do a review on feline digestive foods? I have a cat who suffers from constipation and am trying to find a good dry formula to supplement her wet food regimen.
Ashley, Hills dude research into different fiber sources( prebiotics) to find which sources would actually nourish the animals natural microbiome in their gut, rather than introducing new bacteria ( probiotics ) that wolf work if fed but never colonize. It has been amazing for dogs with chronic diarrhea and the feline version has done great with feline mega colon and constipation. It is called Science Diet Perfect Digestion and comes in dry and canned. It is quite unique so I would try that first. Please let me know if you do!
@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Hello Glenn! I have a question for you if I may? I purchased the Adult 7+ Perfect Digestion Chicken, Barley & Whole Oats Recipe Cat Food for my oldest Bengal Mika who was suffering from constipation. She’s ten years old. So far she’s doing great on it! But my question is can my other cats eat it? They’re almost five and they love it too. I just want to make sure they’re getting the right nutrition as they do not have any digestive issues and really don’t need to be eating her food. I see that they have an Adult 1-6 version of the same food and am just wondering what the main differences are between the two? Thanks so much for your time and have a great day! 😊
@@AshleyKarys nice to hear from you, especially to hear your Kirstie is doing well! Yes, that diet is fine for all of them. That diet is based on the nutrition that went into a Prescription Diet. It has proven to be a really great alternative.
So how’s it working? GkMontana1979@gmail.com
Hills is just average…too much corn and grains, below average protein.
Well, if you’re judging it based on where Cirn and grains fall on the ingredient panel, and believe those are somehow inferior ingredients, and believe your animal needs an exorbitant amt of protein, than I guess it is pretty average. Thanks for the comment.
I've been watching both of your videos and I'm so torn on who to believe. Are either of you a certified dog nutritionists? I believe there are only around 100 in the US.
Generally speaking, all these videos deal with a healthy, adult dog or cat. Medical issues of course will be handled differently. Rachel has a degree in human nutrition science. She states in every video, "These are my personal opinions based on my vet’s recommendations and my personal values. Use this as a resource to research the best for your pet." All pets are different.
AC, thanks for your comments. I totally get it! We all end up believing someone. First of all, don’t believe me. I’m not a board certified vet nutritionist. I never even went to college! But understand I am simply the messenger. I was privileged enough to sit with and be trained by those amazing people and work with a team which included experienced vets and spent 34 years, every day in vet clinics training vets and their teams on wellness nutrition and therapeutic nutrition. And I also watched all the various marketing trends. My videos reflect all that. I would suggest you consider why is it the actual people who have the credentials and the expertise and experience don’t seem to agree at all with Rachel, Dr Becker, Rodney, etc? Do you notice real nutritionists are famous on TH-cam and Facebook, promoting themselves or their books or their foods? All of a sudden all kibble is bad, based on the most ridiculous claims. Keep learning, now that you can hear both sides. As far as certified dog nutritionists, that’s a joke. Groups form and come up with their own certification! lol! There’s a retail store chain promoting their certified nutritionists but they created the course, the test, the certification! I would not trust anyone claiming that! Check out my video responding to the dog nutritionist from England! Glad you’re here!
Believe Rachel ❤ this guy eats ethoxyquin for breakfast just because it has nutrients sprayed on it.
@@belindaking5369 I had to look up what is ethoxyquin. LOL Made by Monsanto is all I need to know. Puzzle Guy is just as sincere as any of us in wanting what is best for our pets. As a cat owner, I do not agree with everything he says. But I am always respectful and have learned some things from him. What he says about nutrients is spot on. Most commercial cat food is high in calcium and phosphorus, which is very bad for cats. I feed mostly homemade food, but also a wet cat food that is lower in Ca and P than many of Hill's varieties. Good luck with your pets and Merry Christmas!
Rachel has a degree in human nutrition. She states that on every one of her videos.
OK bud you are starting to look a little obsessed with Rachel. It is OK to make a video without her in it.
Well, I’ve made 68 videos, 3 responding to Rachel, 3 to Cam from England, and 2 to Dana from DogsNaturally……I’m thinking maybe you have a thing for Rachel? I will respond to the most harmful misinformation I see. Thanks for watching though!
Please can you do a review of inukshuk marine 16! Everyone around me is saying it is the best for “hard keepers” and sensitive stomach
Thank you
This is a concern of mine about corn and wondering if it should be. I'm comfortable with feeding corn. However, my big concern is that other countries will not eat corn in our country. This is due to the herbicides, pesticides, and insecticides. Even being infused into the seeds. Is this a cancer or other health concern for dogs? Do dogs eating other grain sources have less cancer? Thank you!
Sandi, thank you for your comment and I believe it’s the only reason in the world to choose not to feed corn. All the myths about corn are scientifically false and it’s a great ingredient with lots of nutrients. But the herbicides, pesticides etc that have. Even added to all our food supplies is a topic I know most of us are clueless about and it’s pretty scary. Unfortunately it would be simply anecdotal if a vet or group of vets said they see less cancer in dogs eating no grains. That would be too easy. We know cancer tumors live carbs but carbs don’t cause the cancer to start. I’ve seen young healthy humans eating healthy get and due quickly from cancer and others with horrible lifestyles never get it. The same with dogs. We do know for sure that excess minerals and protein is deadly to a dog with compromised organs so that should be fundamental. Are we adding an equal risk with the possible toxins in grain? Maybe but we don’t know. Perhaps that’s why Hills makes grain free versions of some of their diets???? That would actually be an honest marketing statement! I may have to make a video on that!
Thank you so much for this reply. I just lost a 9 year old dog to fast growing cancer and I'm devastated. I have been told it's 20% genetic and 80% environmental. So, I'm going crazy researching dog food. We don't smoke, we exercise our dogs an hour every day, do all vet care. We don't spray but do have a neighbor that sprays crops on a small field. In the end, I can't control what pesticides are being used on what. But, I was wondering your thought on the science of adjusting nutrient levels in dog food so that cancer can't thrive...at least as fast. In your opinion, do you think science formulas do a better job at making dog's bodies handle toxins better? For example, I'm vegan and I know that if I switch my leafy greens up (spinach, kale, collards, etc) my ph levels will be better. That makes me healthier and might even prevent cancer. I have 2 golden retrievers to feed yet and I'm kind of scared. I'm so glad you're informing so much about the nutrient panel. Please, if you can, help me pick a food. Thank you. @@PetFoodPuzzleGuy
@@sandihedstrom4480 so sorry to hear about your 8 year old. We lost our Berner to cancer but she was a month shy of 13. Hills used to make a neoplasia diet that fed the dog instead of the tumor but it just gave a little more time. Beside what you might hear, there’s no correlation of food or ingredients to causing cancer. If I had a cancer dog that was not in pain I would feed a carnivorous diet if high protein and few carbs. That is about opposite what I’d do for a healthy dog though. You didn’t say how old your goldens are but Hills makes a Large Breed Adult dry three of my grand dogs have been eating for years and are doing great. We need to check and see if there’s a No corn, Wheat or Soy version to alleviate your concern over toxins. Large Breed just is a bigger kibble with some added glucosamine and chondroitin but I’m not convinced it’s beneficial anyway. Controlling micronutrient excesses and keeping your dogs lean is probably the best you can do….. and appreciate every day. Oh, and the higher antioxidants Hills uses helps reduce oxidative stress(free radicals) which most likely is linked to cancer somehow. My daughter is a laboratory scientist and I keep telling her to discover the cure!
I decided on the Adult 6+ Large Breed No corn, wheat, soy. What do you think? Our Goldens are 65 and 80 lbs. One is 8 years and one is 5. They've been healthy. I feel very confident and I thank you for that. I'm a little more science minded but get caught up in the environment, animal welfare, etc. It's hard. We just do our best. Thank you for this channel and taking the time to show you care. That's hard to find. Best wishes. I will continue to watch your videos!@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy
@@sandihedstrom4480 sounds like a plan. Glad I could help. Your pups are blessed to have you.
Any chance you can take a look at Muenster milling Large breed dog food? Smaller company out of Muenster Texas and source as local possible. We have a 5 month old Great Dane that is starting to lose interest in Royal Canin giant puppy.
Merry Christmas to you and your family!
I appreciate the different perspective from you. Rachael is educated in human nutrition not in animal nutrition. Keep that in mind if you watch her videos for advice everyone. Is there any one you know that would be willing to explain it who has the expertise? Maybe you could interview them?
Renee, thanks for the comment. I remember talking with a vet nutritionist who had just been hired at Hills. She of course was well trained in animal nutrition but she said the pet food marketing such as ingredient panels, particular claims, etc was still very confusing to her. We almost need a course in nutrition marketing, not just nutrition! I love the idea of interviewing a board certified nutritionist. I am guessing no one employed by a food company can do public interviews. Maybe a retired one? And I’d have to figure out the technology too! lol!
There is a board certified veterinary nutritionist Lisa Bullen who I saw interviewed on You tube. She is not affiliated with any pet food. She has a private practice in NC. She was being interviewed by a board certified veterinary neurologist. You might want to check her out
@@StephanieStoudt-uv8nv yes! I watched that video and it was actually one of the videos that inspired me to do my channel! She is awesome! It’s so disheartening to see so many pet parents deceived while the real credentialed folks don’t get much recognition or exposure.
Can you tell me please if you know,why is different ingredients for EU and USA for Hill's dog food, I live in Croatia and we have different ingredients than you in USA
I am pretty sure it comes down to costs of getting certain ingredients shipped to certain locations and also laws governing food in different countries. I am trusting the nutrient profiles are extremely similar. You’re the second person I’ve met on here from Croatia!
"I've noticed some issues with your TH-cam channel, and I'd like to help you with some assistance. What are your plans for this channel?"
Some people are brainwashed from big corporations others are not. To me fresh is always better than processed.
Well, I suppose we’re all brainwashed by someone. 34 years being trained by the best and seeing the results every day… is kind of brainwashing (convincing). You are absolutely correct we all agree fresh ingredients are better than processed ingredients but you’re not comparing apples to apples. A well made kibble can deliver all the nutrients your pup needs by combining quite a few ingredients. The process is not the same as human processed food with a very different purpose. I made a video on that topic! Actually you’re the guy that inspired me to make that video! lol! Well I’m glad you’re still around! I appreciate that since we disagree. Have a wonderful Christmas!
Can you review Virbac?
Marta, Which diet?
According to the National Institutes of Health, soy can lead to goitrogenic effects in a number of species, including cats (Divi and Doerge 1996; White et al. 2004). Soy consumption can also lead to hyperthyroidism in cats. This weekend, my cats will be having their usual chicken thighs with bone broth. Raw ground beef and on Sunday, some Skipjack tuna. Merry Christmas!
Ed, can’t speak to a topic I know nothing of. Seems like a few studies haven’t conjured up much interest. Can’t say. Maybe the protocols weren’t good.
I am pretty sure that raw foods in their diets can benefit their health, but I also have to be able to pay my bills and feed myself. I have been feeding Blue pet foods for years now, and hope that’s good enough. I am considering adding some fresh and raw foods as toppers.
Dale, 10% of your pets diet can be other things like fresh food. Watch any high calorie additions and avoid mineral supplements. Did a video on Blue. The Basics turned out to have a better nutrient profile than Wilderness. Did a video on them!