Carlos Ramos was incredibly calm and professional while receiving threats and abuse. Serena began by screaming, demanding an apology, threatening his entire career and ended in tears complaining to his superior while claiming discrimination. Carlos' ruling were upheld and Serena was fined. Carlos deserves an apology plain and simple. A great example to all Portuguese people to how to not be bullied while remaining calm.
Serena Williams didn’t lose the US Open final because of what she did with the coaching, the racquet smash and verbal abuse. She lost it because she was outplayed by Naomi Osaka. And let’s stop focusing on this controversy. Let’s give Ms Osaka her dues for outplaying Serena Williams.
Naomi Osaka is (I think) the first Japanese woman to win a grand slam. That first set. Damn, that first set was amazing to watch just to see how good Osaka was.
sara lincoln no, it wasn’t, all due respect Sara. You would have stated a strong case, it if wasn’t for the undeniable fact that this has been a systematic behaviour from Serena’s behalf when she has found herself against the ropes during a defining moment in a decisive US Open match. This was the third time in Serena’s U.S. Open career that she’s been losing a match late in the tournament and melted down in bizarre fashion, the previous ones being her 2009 SF against Clijsters, and the 2011 F against Stosur. Carlos Ramos wasn’t the chair umpire on those, and yet, the same exact thing occurred. Each time, it resulted in eventual defeat. Each time, it made her look like a sore loser and an entitled person. Each time, willingly or unwillingly, she eclipsed the feat of her opponents, who bested her fair and square. And each time, the race card, the misogyny card, the persecution card was used. There is no doubt that the tennis world did treat Venus and Serena with contempt and disdain, but that doesn’t justify Serena’s demeanour in all of the mentioned incidents.
sara lincoln bizarre fashion as in an odd manner or way. Nothing to do with wardrobe. In your mind, Serena’s behaviour was justified, and that is your opinion. I beg to differ, and let us agree to disagree.
Her first punishment was just a warning. It was totally her fault for smashing her racket and calling names that resulted in a lost point and then game
there's literally a clip of the same ump (carlos ramos) giving Djokovic a warning for bouncing his racket off the court. There was no damage done to the racket at all. You cannot claim that he is a sexist.
@@angrychickengod3831 Another funny fact is that Serena is known for throwing tantrums for losing or making a misplay, breaking a lot of racquets in the process and she didn't get that many warnings from those. But like always, people talk as if this was her only match and as if what she said was the absolute truth.
Please tell me where I can purchase a race card? How much are they? Can I purchase them in store or online? I really need to know!! I can use it it the next time a Police officer attempts to kill another innocent black person, or the next time a racist white person calls the Police on us for doing nothing, like watering the lawn, going into their home, or simply picking up garbage in the area.
Even two years later, Serena's sly determination to win --using her tantrums to disrupt Naomi's concentration. with a disorderly mob cheering for her, was a baptism by fire for a 20 year old champion. What a disgrace Serena is.
yeah, she said he was 'unattractive inside'.. oh wait. No, she said she'd shove a ball down his throat...oh, uh.. wait...I'm getting my rants mixed up - there are just so many!
They have short memories or don’t watch tennis she always behaves like Th is us open 2009 she threatened to shove a ball down a line judges throat she’s a pathetic self entitled brat tbh
It was her third violation. Her third. Do you know what it says in the rules for your third violation? It costs you a game. So how about we ask the real question that should be asked? At what point is in on Serena to get her act together and act professional? As someone who has played the game for the better part of three DECADES, and has won many opens, she knows the third violation is a game point. She should know that yelling and picking a fight with an umpire is never correct. Serena is the reason why this moment was stolen from Naomi, not the umpire. And an umpire shouldn't look the other way just to make the game tell a better story because now you are talking about match fixing. Rules are there for a reason. When you step onto the court you are agreeing to play by the rules. Serena broke the rules, she got punished. End of story. No wiggle room. None. As to the anyone trying to lay blame at the feet of the umpire, he sat there for 90 seconds while Serena verbally abused him. The second she started chirping he could have cost her a point but he kept calm and tried to explain the situation to her. I dare anyone who thinks this umpire was in the wrong to sit in a chair, let someone yell at them for 90 seconds and try to remain half as calm and respectful as he was. Damn few of you could have done it with as much grace as he did.
@Melo Bryant lol while her display was inappropriate, there was nothing "ghetto" about the way she behaved. And what exactly do you consider as "ghetto". Not trying to play the race card but the only thing about her that would typically be associated as "ghetto" is her skin tone. But I'm not going to make accusations of you having a particular mindset...
Did he just blame it on the chair umpire? The chair umpire literally did everything 100% within the rules and in his power. SERENA took away Noami's moment. 100% Serena's fault all of it. A white male on TV can't possibly blame a black female publicly even when its so blatantly obvious what Serena did was WRONG. Max = 100% wrong. Stephen = 90% right. Only problem I have with him is calling Serena the GOAT and saying if she were a man she would be the GOAT. I know its a bit semantic, but Serena is the GOAT of Female tennis. Not tennis. Serena can't even beat a #200+ ranked male. She is NOT the GOAT of tennis. There is a HUGE difference in play between men and women in Tennis. Probably more so than any other sport.
Serena is literally one of the worst tennis players in history when it comes to on court behavior while Federer is literally known for being well behaved. Obviously you don't watch Tennis. Whilst I agree Female Tennis and Male Tennis are very different, they are still the exact same sport. The actually game is practically the same thing, its just the style and intensity of the sport is far different
The racket** (not raquet) is the individual's choice. I imagine the females would PROBABLY tend to chose lighter ones, while men are probably more inclined to chose heavier ones. That being said, when I played I chose a lighter racket with a firm net for more power and less spin. So it is quite possibly purely up to the individual At the top level, ATP tours, men's tennis balls, I believe, are made slightly differently. I am not exactly certain on how they do this, but womens tennis balls go faster and glide in the air more. Men's tennis balls fluff up easier and tend to be slower. Yet they are the same size and weight, so how they accomplish this difference I am not sure. I think its to allow females like Serena to be able to serve at similar speeds to males. You'd have to look up the details on how they created this difference. would be interesting to see Other than that thay are the exact same. Same rules, same lines, same courts, same rackets, same balls (except above), womens tennis is just shorter (best of 3).
"As a black man, I am..." ... again, race & gender are being brought up when neither is necessary. I'm getting so sick of this black/white, men/women, etc. Why can't we just be human? Period!!
Jammer Jen I think for what he was saying it’s valid though, he was saying because of all the things black tennis players go thru, he was extremely proud of her
Africans do not generally think of themselves in racial terms because all of their neighboring countries are black, everyone in the country is black, everyone has a tribal connection and a known history and everyone looks alike. As someone presumably smart enough to hold down a job and pass high school, think about why Black Americans would hold closer to a racial identity than Africans.
I agree with you about race for this conversation: irrelevant. But gender is being discussed here because Serena went there with Ramos, the umpire. Serena claimed that she was standing up for women tennis players everywhere, and Steven A is calling BS because Ramos has given men the exact same penalties for those same rule violations. I think the sexism card just popped into Serena's head and she went with it. If she were calmer and had it to do over again, I'd like to think she'd realize how foolish that was.
@@darkss6024 Ahha I understand, but the real Public in my perspective is here commenting on the video because anyone can access the video and comment, and after skimming through the comments more than 90 % not only agree with Stephen, also very mad about how rude Serena acted.
@@husseinyounes4140 ah but in my view the real public now is the loud minority of the public that creates the story. The real public is here in the comment you’re right. But the real public doesn’t control the narrative or facts. Just the reaction
Ramos didn't take anything away from Osaka, he was enforcing the rules of tennis! It was Serena temper tantrum and shamful conduct that caused all this.
Ramos didnt take shit, Serena did, by acting up she caused controversy to swirl around herself, and that was irresponsible enough, but that overshadowed such a huge victory for Osaka
Thank you, Stephen A, for telling it like it is. I love tennis and have the greatest respect for Serena as the greatest female player of all time, but she crossed a few lines here, and, worse, showed no respect for her worthy opponent Naomi Osaka.
The greatest player of all time is Steph Graph, and no room for debate. The only one we would possibly be discussing would be Monica Seles, but we know what stopped it.
Osaka WAS victimized, but not by the umpire, it's by the actions of Serena. Serena is the one who stole a great moment from Osaka with her SJW temper, and even though she doesn't give a shit, she should be ashamed. Funny enough, I'm writing this from Osaka, Japan.
Actually, she does give a shit! That's why she asked the crowd to stop booing, during the award ceremony. Now, I agree that it is Serena's actions that spoiled Naomi's great moment. Serena was wrong and is completely reprehensible. But what transpired between her and the umpire, took place during gameplay. And I'm sure Serena would've expected any reaction from the crowd to take place during the time of the incident, not the award ceremony.
@@TheTmat007 wong ? when the chair umpire penalize coaching that was not the way ????? pffff I just think that you don't like her like some people because of her ski colour, because of her body, because of her wins. Just be honnest, you may have been frustrated when you try to find you serenity to win a game and some authority just sink you and find the right moment to make her loose.
@@danjul974 She has always behaved like this in the US Open. It's not like it was the first time and the umpire put a blemish on her spotless career. Say what you will she was getting killed on the court. Even if she had a good start to the second set Osaka came back quickly and would've won but its a hypothetical. She has abused tournament officials and linesmen before don't call it discrimination.
Insert himself???.......... He sat there and stoically took it while Serena berated him for close to five minutes straight while calling him a thief. He was doing his job by enforcing the rules, and imo showed enormous restraint before finally pulling the trigger so that they could get on with the match. Shame on Serena.
Tijan What are you talking about? The umpire shouldn’t enforce the rules? You’re just taking a trite statement and somehow applying it to rules that determine how the game is played. If Tom Brady gets a penalty for crossing the line of scrimmage before making a pass should the refs just forget about the penalty because it might affect the game?
Well, I know what it means.... And I quote (dictionary): Berate means----- to scold vehemently & at length, to rebuke, to reprimand, admonish, upbraid, take to task...etc. NOW WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.. PLEASEEEEESE, INDEED.
Naomi Osaka decided that match by putting a whooping on Serena the entire time. Serena lost it because she was taking a beating and that is what triggered her tirade. She did the same thing when she was in the semi's a few years back losing to Kim Klijsters. She threatened to shove a ball down the officials throat and lost match point. It's become the Norm for Serena in big matches when she is getting outplayed.
1) Coaching happened. Her coach admitted it people. First infraction. 2) Broken racket - Second infraction. 3). Verbal Abuse - 3rd infraction which AUTOMATICALLY RESULTS IN LOSS OF GAME BECAUSE ITS THE 3RD INFRACTION. Its the rules people. Can't believe you're even talking about this? Especially the girl on the panel?? Do u not understand the rules? Had she said "thief" on the FIRST INFRACTION then it would not have cost her the game. Its simple. It doesn't matter how "small" the infraction was. It was the THIRD ONE which is why the penalty was more severe. Common sense. Stephen A is right. That's why nothing was overturned. Worst part is, Serena knows the rules. She did this to herself and that's the best part. Why don't y'all talk about what REALLY went down and WHY SERENA KEPT PUSHING KNOWING THAT THE 3RD INFRACTION WOULD COST A GAME?? I'll tell why, CUZ SHE WAS GETTING HER BUTT KICKED AND SHE NEEDED AN EXCUSE AFTERWARD AS TO WHY SHE LOST SO QUICKLY / EASILY. Sorry but it's obvious. A combination of her emotions and losing got the best of her. She had a meltdown and tried to spin the narrative in her favor. Sore loser. Such a joke. Now attention is all on her, not the winner; and she's not a bitter loser but a "womens rights hero". Selfish and a complete joke. The official did his job and followed the rules, plain and simple. She lost... twice. On the court, and in this argument.
100% correct couldn't have put it better myself. The weird thing is that, it all happened during a final. She caused such a scene and then the public followed. I can't believe she did this to Osaka, she should apologize not the umpire.
@@carolc9655 she needs to apologize to both, shoot she needs to apologize to everyone lol and people wonder why our schools are starting to fill up with more and more rebellious behavior. If u celebrate what Serena did and laud her as a hero, then the exact message we are sending to our children is that they too can "be a hero like her". We are encouraging bad behavior no matter how u try to spin it. Either its okay to yell at and ridicule an official that has authority, or its not. If kids are told to celebrate what Serena just did, then parents, teachers, and principals better celebrate when kids are "emotional and passionate" in the classroom while throwing a fit. I'm so sick of hearing her say that. It's her go to line when she acts like this and its not an excuse. I'm extremely passionate about my family, my career working with children, my favorite hobby of fishing, and I'm very competitive on the basketball court; but my "passion" never manifests like this. Its not "passion", it is emotion, but it is letting your emotions get the best of u and its wrong. If anything it reveals immaturity (at 36), entitlement, and emotional instability. We should not celebrate this or tell young ladies to look up to it.
@@SFO14 may have? I honestly don't really follow it anymore. Was a big Federer fan. But pro sports in general are just getting more like this across the board. Hard to watch.
Serena knew that she's losing the match... she intentionally made a scene for Osaka to probably change her rhythm and mood... but it's definitely Osaka's moment to shine! Go Osaka my new Tennis Inspiration 😍💪🎾
Osaka mopped the court with Serena. And Serena was clearly frustrated and angry about it. But I don't believe her extended antics and verbal abuse of the ump were a plan. She clearly lost control of her emotions, and her behavior showed this. She was not acting.
@@brianbarrett192 Cause that woman is full of herself, shes pathetic. Serena is who I mean btw Osaka just seems like someone genuine who loves the sport and was playing against their idol.. I bet she isn't anymore. Edit - Eat me ESPN
What a bizarre world we live in where the referee enforcing the rules that EVERYONE agrees with is blamed for enforcing those rules. She knew he was an extremely strict official. She could have stopped at the 2nd point but no, she just had to keep raging and it cost her a game. Then she had the gall to say it was sexist. Disappointing.
Rules of tennis: 1st offense is warning, 2nd offense is loss of point, 3rd offense is loss of game. Regardless of women or men. The rules, as is pay, is equal across. You cannot fault the chair umpire for enforcing the rules. You cannot fault the chair umpire for refusing to look the other way because she was Serena Williams and instead prefer to utilize his power to punish a lower ranked player for making the same offense, in a grand slam. Rules are rules, that’s what the lines are for in a court. Out is out. In is in. Get over it people.
Agreed except pay isn’t equal, men get payed a lot more in prize money; but for obvious reasons that year long tennis fans not casuals know about. etc: match length plus skill.
Max, your an idiot!.. The "Ref/Judge" ruined the Win for the her?.. Really?!?.. It was Serena's fault the Win was ruined!.. Screaming and throwing a tantrum like a spoiled Brat... She ruined it!
Wrong. The Umpire should have handled it much better. No need to giveaway a game, just a caution. Would he have done that to a Prime/intimidating Marat Safin? Hell no.
ny_kia31 he really is. That ref may have a stick up his ass and there’s retarded rules to tennis but Serena was out of line in accusing the dude of sexism when it’s clearly not the case. I still find it disgusting how a human reaction out of Serena prompts the actual racists and sexists to start calling her a gorilla and go “SEE. WOMAN ARE RUINING EVERYTHING”. It’s just an utter mess.
1:35 I hate how Molly can get on national tv and say a blatant false statement based from pure ignorance. If you smash your racquet to the point where it cannot be used, that is an infraction, man or woman. Since that was her second infraction of the match,it was justly deemed a point penalty. There is literally no argument there.
Black Mamba nigga YOU love her. She literally knows nothing about half the topics they speak on and is always budging In saying some cringe shit, then it’s just an awkward silence for 5 seconds because max and Stephen A know she don’t know what tf she talking about
the rule is the same for men and women but as with most if not all of these unsportsmanlike conduct violations they are not always enforced strictly to the tee. there have been many moments where raquets have been smashed and no penalty was given. so it is fair to point to that. still, SAS is in the right here for once. serena is entirely at fault for escalating the situation and making a whole scene of it, which she already has a record of doing. its extremely unprofessional, and thats exactly where she differs from the mens champions like federer, nadal or djokovic. if they get what they feel like is a BS call against them, theyll let the ump know, sure. but then theyll go back to playing tennis. serena has proven multiple times that she is either uncapable or simply unwilling to do that. no sympathy with her there.
They say "But he took a *GAME* away from her! Not just a point!" Yeah, because that was the THIRD violation, and as stated in the rules of tennis, the penalty of a THIRD violation is taking away a game. Their lack of knowledge is disgraceful in their positions of influence.
@@Scallion_D I think the guy on the right is just trying keep his job Also the woman said she played tennis, obviously not good and never read the rules.
''She's probabily right'' - Gotta say, great journalism right there. That same umpire (Carlos Ramos) has penalized men for far less than couching all his career. She was only a entitled child and Ramos called her out for it.
Serena has threatened a lineswoman and lied about it, calls judges names and uses personal insults, lied about being coached, has lied about who she played when McEnroe made a comment about her. Everything she complains about she is guilty of.
SHE IS NOT THE GOAT...Yep she said she would stuff that (&*&%&&**x) ball down a lines woman throat. Then she lied saying she never said that...it was caught by a court microphone and played later for all to see, guess she isn't a cheater but a liar? The real GOAT is Roger Federer, he would never cheat and NEVER LIE!
Radu Blanc if you keep yelling and insulting an empire into his face ,you are going to get punished no matter who you are. There is nothing personal about it.
TstormVA2012 No! Serena made it about her! Quote from the ESPN douche: “The umpire should have let it go” No! Serena should have let it go. She had already addressed the umpire previously about the call he made. There was no reason to go at him again at that point. She should have just did like ever other player and kept her composure and finished the game.
Totally agree. The umpire made the right calls -- good on Ramos for not making exceptions because he was dealing with a superstar in the person of Williams. The crowd and Williams are indeed the ones to blame.
“Imagine some shit that didn’t happen.” “Now Imagine my argument makes sense.” “Because you’d have to live in the land of make believe to come to the conclusion that if we ignore something that is wrong sometimes it means we should do it all the time, or that one instance of ignorance somehow negates another instance of clarity.” Your argument is passive aggressive.
Ian Farris Passive aggressive? Lol, look at your comment, putting empty words of sarcasm in his mouth. Your projection is palpable. You know damn well the reaction would be _completely_ different, with the genders reversed. So here's a tip for you, sparky: Just because you don't like an argument that you have no rebuttal to doesn't mean you should speak and make a fool of yourself. Know when to spot a point you can't refute, and move along.
anyone who knows anything about tennis knows that Serena was wrong here. I agree, males have said a lot worse and have only been penalized a point instead of a game. BUT, Serena KNEW she already had two previous code violations and therefore her next violation would be a game penalty. I agree, both men and women have said worse but not on the brink of a third offense. I would also like to say that Serena went on and on and on. She did not only call him a "liar" and a "thief," she went on and on and on demanding an apology from the official. this was not sexism. this was not racism. this was Serena Williams being a sore loser.
@@Juanfermandez_224 gtfo bro that umpire does that to everyone shes sensitive that she was losing she just had a baby all those emotions are showing up
Three things to remember: -There were 4x as many code violations issued to men at the 2018 us open than women. (22 women - 96 men, sort of contradicts the sexism claim) -Serena has been assessed more in misconduct fines than any other player in women’s tennis the last 10 years. - third violation is an automatic game, most players stop acting up when the next infraction is a game penalty, Serena thought she was above the rules. There was no choice but to take a game for third violation.
There was a choice. Sorry I watch tennis. A lot of it. You obviously dont along with a lot of people on these threads. Women are on court far less so there is your reason for those irrelevant statistics. Given the championship nature of the match, he could have said "Serena, if you dont let this go I will give you a third violation". The rules have been selectively applied. Its not about sexism. That's where she lost a lot of peoples respect. She was victim to unfair umpiring but it had nothing to do with gender. Violation 1: I literally saw coverage of Sasha coaching Naomi. All of them do it so this ruling needs serious readdressing as you can't just give a violation if the ump sees it which is what obviously happened. Ramos saw Patrick do it but not Sasha...so how is that fair? Ruling needs to be examined immediately. If an umpire cannot surveillance it then the coaching from the stands should just be allowed. Saying Ramos was "within his means to implement the ruling" is a total copout. Its discriminatory to implement it to one person and not the other. Thats final. Violation 2: Serena was under the impression Violation 1 was a unofficial warning not a violation. She absolutely deserved this violation as it is fair across the board but the breakdown in communication between Ramos and Serena meant she didn't understand that this would be Violation 2 not Violation 1. Violation 3: She mentally spiralled. As would most players in the situation. That was not verbal abuse. That was tame love. The pretentiousness of the world continues to amaze me. "A thief"...verbal abuse? LMAO. Ramos abused his power and threw out violations like he was throwing candy to kids on Halloween. Both players are the victims. The integrity of the match (A GRAND SLAM FINAL) was diminished the moment his authority complex came the centre of the match. He job is to maintain order and let the tennis be what decides the outcome of the match. He tweaked and selectively applied rulings. People are becoming so diverted by the sexism claims but it should be about how to implement rulings fairly. Not about the sexism bullshit. Naomi Osaka won the 2018 US Open fair and square and what a wonderful human being she is but both players were robbed of the moment.
a h Your argument is completely invalid. 1) Men were given 4x as many violations as women. They are only on the court for 66% longer and there are 128 participants for both sexes. That clearly shows the men were called out WAY more than the women. 2) Rules are rules. The referee has no need to give a "warning" about giving a third violation. This would ONLY be a case if the ref was letting one player get away with stuff and the other wasn't. Carlos Ramos has been consistent throughout his career, his superiors (like SAS stated) hold him in the highest regard, and there's a reason he was selected to referee a finals. 3) The undeserved leniency you see in other sports does not apply to tennis. In baseball, basketball, etc. you can get away with talking because nobody can hear. In tennis though? You have a GIANT MICROPHONE broadcasting every word you are saying, and the crowd is SILENT by rule. The game is completely stopped, your words are the only thing going on, and you're defaming a man's integrity to the entire world. Overall: I agree with SAS. Serena is the greatest female tennis player, but she has a history of terrible attitudes and she's getting rightly punished for it.
jyashin 1) Did you even read my response about me believing this has nothing to do with gender? Yet you continue to compare men and women lol. Your the one caught up with the sexism viewpoint. My argument is that UMPIRING across the board is inconsistent. Nothing to do with men or women. So once again, your statistics regarding male vs female 2) "Rules are rules". Absolute copout. Rules are there to ensure fair play. This is not occurring. Again, actually read what I wrote. "This would ONLY be a case if the ref was letting one player get away with stuff and the other wasn't" - Again, read what I wrote. This is exactly what he did. In reference to this match, Osaka got the exact same coaching from Sasha as Serena did Patrick. ONLY ONE PLAYER WAS GIVEN A VIOLATION. I swear it's like talking to a kindergarden student with you. "Carlos Ramos has been consistent throughout his career, his superiors (like SAS stated) hold him in the highest regard, and there's a reason he was selected to referee a finals" - People of the highest regard often make misjudgements. That is what happened here. He did not use his discretion adequately. Again, diminishing the integrity of the final. 3) His integrity should be questioned. It's 2018 mate. Everyone is accountable for their decisions and so is he. Just like Serena is to the backlash she is receiving. She wrongly made this about sexism. I do not believe Ramos was sexist is any way. I believe Ramos applied a ruling to one and not the other as you so deny. This is wrong. Especially in a GS Final. His decisions were damning. We will have to agree to disagree as you are clearly uneducated in the tennis field.
MrVpassenheim The maths comparing men and women violations are irrelevant as I clearly stated that I believe no sexism occurred. Are all you people severely uneducated or something? That was my only criticism to Serena, making this about gender and not about the selective nature of the rulings themselves. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HER BEEN A WOMAN. THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH SELECTIVE IMPLEMENTATION OF RULINGS. Please read my response before saying nonsense.
Carlos Ramos took nothing away from Osaka. Serena did. Serena got penalized for her own actions. The only people who try to bring sexism into this are those with an agenda to push.
Nope, Ramos did. Serena knew she was not going to win. Especially when you get penalized for playing the game. Coaching is in every sport. When that infraction occured, she was on the opposite end of the court. It is apparent to me, you never won any sporting event, because If you did, you would know of what is like to compete, not to be a spectator, which you are. You watch too much TV, play the game. The umpire started this. McEnroe cussed at umpires, nothing happened, just like in every major sport. And he was not alone.
Stephen a is absolutely right. The same referee has done the same to men. Serena was just comparing herself to other cases where there was a different referee. The ref, although harsh, worked within the rules
The reason it was a game penalty and not a warning/point penalty was because it was the THIRD code violation. Other men who were given code violations usually didn’t receive game penalties because they knew to stop after the first or second violation. Serena would not stop badgering the umpire for several minutes on end until he finally gave her the third violation, which per the rules, is an automatic game penalty. If you’re going to claim Ramos shouldn’t have intervened because this is the biggest stage of tennis, then you should also expect the same of Serena to act in a professional manner under those circumstances.
Exactly! Umpire following rules, doing his job. He didn't just randomly give her a game penalty. She completely ruined Osakas crowning moment and barely even cared. Its always gotta be about Serena. Also pathetic people who would boo Osaka winning as well, scum.
Richard Pei i said the same thing to one of my friends Serena Williams should have handled that with class and let her game speak for itself she could have came back she's Serena and in that type of a moment she's supposed to be the more well-mannered player but she cried like a baby talking about women rights and if she was a man this wouldn't happen. Give me a break Naomi wasn't throwing her racket on the ground and arguing with the judge talking about I need a referee oh please she played her game and deserve to win and Serena stoled Her Shine with that bullshit 😤 she did if somebody would have did that to her she would have said that was very unclassy of them and not a good look for tennis.
Serena has a history of doing this. In 2009 she verbally attacked the umpire when she lost to Kim Clijster and because she was a female umpire, she got a £50,000 fine and a warning that if she did that again she wouldn't be allowed to play in the US open. She has and now because it was a male umpire, she gets to call sexism
“They took the game” of course they did. That’s what it in the end leads to. She continued to argue and spit out unacceptable frases to him, what can he do?
I'm his opinion. If it's a small thing like calling him a "thief" he could give her another chance. Not only for her but also for her opponent. Osaka has played a stunning game up to that point and she would have won anyway probably and this way it would have been a much greater victory. Now she has to be ashamed basically. And it's not about that veterans should be treated better but it's about not destroying an important game with millions of people watching. I think osaka, if asked, would have let it go herself.
@@jx4219 i agree with you but still serena started it. Look she was getting coached she shouldn't have reacted that much and acted like she was a saint she should have stayed calm but i guess she couldn't control her emotions as she was getting frustrated, Hence Serena Williams unknowingly took away Osakas greatest moment.
It’s not veterans he’s talking about, it’s stars. Superstars who transcend the game. And even though I don’t agree with his overall opinion, he’s right in that regard. At the end of the day, sports is entertainment. People pay to see the biggest stars in the biggest moments, not the officials.
We get it, Max, you're "woke", but not everything is about race, sex, etc. She clearly disrespected Ramos, and Osaka, a young player who will never get this time back. Congrats to Osaka.
How the fuck is he woke just because he recognizes sexism? Trust me,hes not TRULY WOKE!! People throw that woke shit around when they have no God damn clue what being woke really is!!GTFOH
@@Vasilik6 How he refereed that tennis match and what he was doing to Serena is harassment/bullying! Even though what Serena did during the match was wrong still don't give the referee refers to the chair umpire the right to harass or bullying Serena!
@@4HBirtcher are you delusional? He just...didn't. He did his job and he did it correctly, and he treated her the same way he would a man. He was actually pretty calm. AND Serena has a tendency of throwing tantrums when she's losing important matches, you know why that's a violation of the rules? Not JUST because it's disrespecting the referee but ALSO because it can completely throw off the opponent's rhythm and how they're playing. Serena's behaviour was disgraceful and she deserved to lose, was outplayed by Naomi AND behaved like a child.
This comment is like saying "Ramos is at fault here? Oh please, give you head a shake. The sky is blue" yeah, the sky is blue, everybody knows that, and it has nothing to do with the conversation
Of course it wasn't his fault. In fact, I think he was very calm and waited until the very last moment. With me she had received the penalty way way before. The ref is like a cop, you can't just call him liar and thief and Sexist..... she is such a loser....
Elwilton Eligon...Did you not listen to what the first commentator was saying? This is not a Ramos issue this is a Serena problem. That's the conversation.
The first guy is like "Oh yeah, Serena was discriminated against" and then Stephen A. points to multiple specific instances where the umpire did the same thing to men. Stephen A. used facts to back up his argument. The first guy did not.
Sha_Facetime Boo I don't know the history of the other matches, but I can guess the umpire probably didn't take a game away from other players because they knew to stop complaining after a point was taken away.
Exactly ,, after the second violation , she just kept on and on and on.. you you owe me an apology etc etc you will never be on any of my matches as long as you live ,, Carlos kept quiet and then before she stood up you're a thief lol and that was it game penalty. Maybe it was a bit too much but damn she just wouldn't keep quiet and for sure it had to do with the fact that Naomi was outplaying her
Serena's argument was men say worse than "you're a thief" and don't get penalized for it. Stephen A's stats don't address that specific point. She never said they don't call penalties on men.
I hope somehow this comment gets shown to Max and Molly. 1 violation = a warning from the umpire. 2 violations = a point deduction. 3 violations = a game deduction. That is NOT hard to understand at all.
Why do people always talk about Mc Enroe and Connors getting mad and insulting the umpire and breaking racquets ? They did, but they were either fined or disqualified or both ! So why wouldn't Serena get penalties ?
Bruno Slam Because the guy LIED and he knows it Y'all know VDAM well she didn't cheat and that you lady know DAM WELL WHAT HAPPENED, she know she didn't cheat and she know she didn't win that GAME FAIR
That makes no sense. I think Serena is phenomenal, but I don't think she can do no wrong. The ref never lied. He gave her a warning on coaching, which her coach later admitted to doing. It's a shit rule, but it is a rule. Lot's of players have gotten that warning in a game, even Serena has gotten it before. But a warning didn't cost her anything. Her opponent was winning at that point, then Serena rallied, then her opponent beat her back again. Then Serena let her frustration take control and smashed her racket (which she's also done before). That's what cost her a point. She took her head outta the game and let her emotion take control instead of focusing on the game, then started in on the ref again. That's what cost her a game. The ref followed the rules to the letter. Problem is Osaka, her opponent, was playing great the whole game. If this was really sexism I'd be yelling with you, but it just wasn't. I may think that first warning was a crappy thing to do in a championship game, but it didn't cost her anything. Her later actions did. She basically lost the game for herself. I hope she comes back next year and does well, but if she acts the same way another ref will just fine her for the same things. She's been fined before, it didn't normally affect the outcome this much because frankly she was playing better those games and had scored higher.
Why won't anyone just say it, serena was just exerting her black privilege. Apparently she's worth 180 million dollars, guess it's true what they say, money can't buy class.
To fly immediately to sexism or race is pure weak sauce when this guy has totally proven to be consistent on his treatment of all players men and women.
I would never have heard who won the tournament if Serena hadn't have done what she's done. I haven't heard who's won 90%+of these tournaments in past years..but because of Serena's meltdown, I now know Osaka won. Osaka is getting way more coverage than if this have been a normal match without drama.
People who think that Serena was right, either haven't watched enough tennis or just support her because of her ethnicity. They don't support her either as a player.
She may have done the third infraction on purpose so she would have an excuse because she was losing. She also seems to really enjoy playing the victim card.
Right Wing Republicans got nothing to do with Serana Williams messing up. You're just making petty insults at commentors like the infantile spastic you are when it comes to Politics in general.
Complete ignorance from Max and Molly. Their biggest gripe at the end of the debate is that Serena had a game penalty, they felt a point penalty would have been fair. That's not how tennis works. 1 code violation is a warning, 2 code violations is a point penalty, 3 code violations is a game penalty. The penalty gets worse for repetitive breaking of the rules as it should. Carlos Ramos couldn't give a point penalty for verbal abuse by Serena, the rules stipulate the penalty not the umpire.
Looking at the final score, Serena had no chance of winning. I think she did this as a way of blaming someone else for her lost and a chance for next years' redemption blah blah blah insert Nike commercial here.
Yeah it takes away some of their credibility on this topic arguing that when the rules are right there. They didnt actually prepare anything for their argument for serena beside the emotional "But shes the GOAT" thing.
These people are questioning the integrity of Ramos. Ramos. One of the most successful umpires ever who has never breen brought under question for sexism or racism. Grow up Serena.
But Serena's integrity was being questioned, as well. I do not like Serena's meltdown. I do not like that Serena used the sexism thing. BUT I do understand her being upset for being called a cheater and a liar. THAT'S the problem I have. If she had kept her argument THERE, I wouldn't have had a problem with her so much. I loved John McEnroe BECAUSE of his meltdowns (which is surprising because I tend to turn my nose up and such behavior), but it was just something about him that intrigued me. That's not to say that I'm not in agreement that there should be punishment for the bad behavior. But again, DO NOT CALL ME A LIAR OR A CHEATER! I'm neither of those things and I would have to really find the strength to not come undone if you accuse me of lying and cheating.
No. She was penalized cuz her coaches in the box WERE cheating by sending her signals. Nobody questioned HER integrity, but her box is an extension of her. She got two warnings for that, then a point bc of the racket smash, then a game bc of berating and trying to intimidate the ref. She knows all of these rules and felt above them. She is hard to root for, which sux bc she is the best American female athlete of all time.
Lolita Brown Serena was NOT called a liar or a cheat(er). It was Serena who accused Carlos Ramos of saying that she is a liar and a cheat(er)! The umpire simply stated that coaching was taking place between Serena and her coach. Her coach has admitted it. If you look closely at the video of her coach coaching her, he gives her hand signals, and then gives her an „OK, understood ?“ nod. Clearly they were in visual contact with each other, and signals were given. So, 1) Illegal coaching DID take place and 2) Nobody called Serena liar or a cheat, those were HER words.
Who is this POS, milk toast, white boy, liberal ESPN commentator on this panel? This is the direction ESPN has taken in the last few years and why I don't watch ESPN anymore. He probably gives his kids participation awards and doesn't allow score keeping at the games. EDIT: I finished watching and Steven put it in his face. If that fellow commentator in this conversation is what ESPN stands for, this company has gone even further over the edge than I previously thought. THE RULES DON'T MATTER IF THE MOMENT IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH??????? Give me a break!!!! I stand by my earlier comment - he is a weak POS, liberal turd of no moral character.
If she was smart if she was REALLY smart she would have looked across the court and saw herself the a good golden chance to mentor her/herself in a new fashion just like her father did to her.. missed opportunity right there...DIM SUM you win and DIM SIM you lose
Stealing the thunder from the better player and claiming it was because of racism and sexism. Serena Williams looking to break into the SJW circuit! I feel awful for Osaka and wish people would pay attention to her achievement. Osaka had her historic win in her profession and is the first Japanese player to win a Grand Slam and no one seems to care. Overshadowed by a seasoned pro throwing a tantrum, and not her first one either Serena is (through action and inaction) a bully, leaving Osaka crying and apologizing when she should be celebrating. It is honestly sickening.
Agreed! I hope Osaka wont give in neither, because now apparently you being better at something than somebody who's associated with these crybaby Leftists/SJWs is a problem. Naomi Osaka or the umpire was not at fault, but she gets booed for winning, because she played fair and the media coddles Serena. smh
I agree with SAS and I go even further, the Umpire was brilliant. He is strict, one of the few that doenst back down if you re Nadal Federer or Serena... He followed the rules as an Umpire, he is not Serena psychologist. If Serena has already 2 warnings and starts calling him a thief, liar and a sexist, that's on her for being irractional. Bravo Carlos Ramos, Orgulho
Unfortunately there was only one star playing and the ref had to step up... th-cam.com/video/0xpHLRrGoD0/w-d-xo.html here are a few examples of tennis umpiring
Serena was pestering the ump for a LONG time. When the guys do it its usually 1-5 seconds and its done. But like every women has to cry about it and complain about it and pester the ump. She deserved what she got.
Because the issue caused by Serena are bigger talking points... yes Osaka should have been given more credit but Serena's selfishness has made this impossible.
I completely understand but the media needs to quit talking about it way too much because in reality of things, Osaka played a better match. Yes Serena had the ability to come back but we will never know, only thing's for sure is that Osaka beat Serena and it was well deserved title for Osaka. They should just mention that a little bit more.
3:50 "When Serena Williams brought the issue of gender and sexism into the argument, that's where she lost." Says the man who brings the issue of race into nearly every controversy.
There is a double standard here and its the double standard of fame and power. If Osaka had behaved the way Serena had no one would have defended her and she would have been blamed for ruining Serena's victory. Serena Williams threatened to end the referee's career when she said "you'll never ref again.". This is a woman with a net worth of over $180 million dollars who has advertising contracts with companies worth tens of billions and who is very important to the sport of tennis throwing a temper tantrum then threatening to use her power, wealth and influence to destroy the career of an official before crying like a petulant child and playing the sexism card to cover for her bad behavior. No other sport would tolerate that sort of disrespect of an official and tennis should not be an exception simply because it has tolerated bad sportsmanship in the past.
Just seen clips of this Serena drama and bits and pieces here and there but if she really did say "you'll never ref again", that's downright scum. I lose all respect for people who trod that low.
while sexism in tennis might somewhat maybe exist, it wasn't in this match because the umpire enforced punishments on male tennis players as well, so the filthy feminist serena who was losing the match decided to firstly lie in saying she wasn't being taught, secondly claim that the umpire was being sexist, in no way in hell was he, and thirdly, how tf u gonna break your racket and call him a liar bitch! agreed, if this happened to osaka or any less important tennis player, noone would support them, but these blind serena supporters would support her murdering the ref because of ''sexism''
Its like getting a speeding ticket. Yea people drive over speed limit all the time but u can't blame a police officer for giving you a ticket when u get caught. Just cuz others get away with it doesnt mean its not agianst the rule
he gives you a ticket when u 1st deny it..then call him a liar..and then ask him for a apology..ur lucky if he doesnt drag ur ass out of the car and books you.
Serena screwed up by thinking the coaching violation was not going to earn her a warning , when she broke the racket she thought THAT was going to be the warning she did it on purpose maliciously she deserved the game point that unstable egotistical bitch.
What? Serena's coach BROKE THE RULES. He admitted to it. And breaking a racket IS A CLEAR INFRACTION. The umpire had no discretion with that call. That is a clear point deduction. And then Serena verbally attacked the umpire. Sorry, but whether or not the first warning call for coaching was fair, Serena subsequently lost her shit and allowed her meltdown to take over the match. Serena received a warning for the coaching incident, and then a couple games later she KEPT GOING AFTER the umpire. Serena broke clearly defined rules in every one of the 3 instances. And she claims that she isn't a liar, but her coach openly admitted that he was coaching her, so when she says that they have "never even worked on hand signals"...I mean come on, that's a lie. Is there sexism in tennis? YES. Are rules not always equally applied b/t the genders? Sure. But at least 2 of the 3 calls against Serena were totally fair, and she allowed her meltdown to lose her the match (which she was already handily doing before any of this happened) and lesson the achievement of Naomi. And also, how classless was the crowd?? Booing during the ceremony for a 20 y/o grand slam champion who's the first Japanese woman to win a GS title? How trashy can you get?
Evidently you haven't watch Serena play she is notorious for loosing 1st set. Rallying back in the 2nd and winning the 3rd. Once she let this ump get in her head it was a rap. In addition she was upset at herself because she knew she wasn't playing well. Osaka played well period.
PG 89 No sport allows players to verbally attack officials. In most sports that’s grounds for being ejected from the game. Serena is a great competitor, but she acts like an entitled petulant child sometimes.
You don't follow tennis and you missed the point of the whole thing. Good job. The wta supported sarena too so I think they know a little more than you.
I'm so glad Stephen A said it because it's 100% true. Ramos is a hardcore, emotional umpire. But he is for *everyone*. He isn't just hard on women, but every player that enters his court. So sportsmen and sportswomen *should* be able to hold their composure and be good, wait for it, sportsmen and sportswomen. To try and make this about gender is a disservice to her opponent, the sport of tennis, and the movement for equality as a whole. This was simply a bad match that Serena lost because she couldn't maintain her composure when it mattered most. And instead of giving Osaka credit for the win, we're all here debating whether or not Ramos' actions were sexist. Spoiler: they weren't.
He's 100% wrong. I'm an avid tennis watcher, not you racists that never watch tennis but only come to attack Serena. When Steven A smith says "Code Violation" regarding what the men were given, those were WARNINGS! not actually point deductions
The white dude is virtue signalling SOOOOO hard! Of course, he's wrong. 100%. The umpire wasn't overseeing all other games being played in the history of tennis or sport in general. He was overseeing this game & he was correct to penalise her for he coaches actions (he admitted he was breaking the rules), he was right to penalise her for smashing her racquet, and he was right to penalise her for the abusive comments that she was laying on him in sustained & very personal manner. To call someone a thief & question whether they are a sexist is not the same as disputing their decision. If blind eyes are turned to men's behaviour in other games then that may be something to deal with, but you cannot fault the umpire for upholding the rules.
To make it even funnier, Stephen proves that this umpire applies the same rules to both men and women. Some other umpires may not do that but Carlos has integrity as a strict but fair umpire.
Dustin. Is he really being thoughtful or is he playing it safe and saying exactly what the PC crowd want him to say? If he agrees with the trumped-up claims of sexism/racism then he is safe from the outrage posse, whether he believes what he's saying or not. I've no doubt that Williams has had to struggle to get to where she is and has faced issues of discrimination. Fair play to her, she's overcome all that and reached the top of her profession (& made many, many millions along the way), but people are commenting about this particular incident & in my opinion her behaviour was deplorable & not an example I would want my daughters to follow. The poor girl who won the match should have been on cloud 9 but Williams entitled attitude ruined that for her.
"But were they cost a game...?" And herein lies the problem. Djokovic, Nadal and others weren't cost a game when they tangled with Ramos, because they weren't stupid enough to continue pushing their luck after a code violation and point penalty was assessed. Cry 'sexism' all you want, but the bottom line here is that Serena believed herself to be above the rules, and she paid the price for that arrogance.
Serena is a childish hypocrite: she wants to be treated the 'same' without being treated the 'same', aka play against Men. IF she is against sexism, fight against gender discrimination of the players: genderless classes.
I played tennis competitively just telling you it was her 3rd violation she should be happy she lost a game , if it was a average rank player in the earlier rounds the 3rd violations would immediate forfeit loss, Nicolas mass lost like that before in other U.S. open.
No shit. They get the violation then move on. Serena kept at it the rest of the WHOLE match. At least McEnroe didn't bullshit and try and act as the victim. You must be new to tennis if you think that was why it's different lol. 'Double standard' legit Stephen A states examples that are worse than Serena's was with Nadal and Djokovic that was just as recent and you still cry double standard. Of course people like you completely ignore the video and come quick to defend xd.
Serena flipped out. No big deal. Heat of battle. Chair umpire was correct. Great drama. Great TV. Memorable moment. Move on. But is Serena the GOAT? Total tournaments won (singles only): Martina Navritilova: 167 Chris Evert: 157 Steffi Graf (who quit at age 30...Serena is 39): 107 Margaret Court (who was 28 when the Open era began, yet still won:) 92 (100 more in the amateur era) Serena:73. Winning percentage for career: Margaret Court: 91.5% Chris Evert: 90% Steffi: 88.7% Martina: 86.8% Serena: 85.2% Total matches won: Martina: 1442 Chris: 1309 Margaret: 1177 (Including amateur era) Steffi: 900 Serena: 843 Grand Slam finals: Serena is last on the list. Grand slam semifinals, Serena is last on the list . Early exits at grand Slams: Serena is first on the list. Serena WON more slams, except for Margaret, but Chris and Martina did not play the Australian Open 8 times when the two dominated the tour because it was not considered that prestigious at the time, and it did not pay enough. Chris also missed the French Open three times in her absolute prime, when she lost on clay only once in 175 matches, because the WTA final was considered more important. Martina also missed it several times. Steffi, who retired 8 years younger than Serena is now, has only one fewer slam title. So it's hard for me to see why Serena is considered the inarguable GOAT. Weeks at number one: Steffi: 377 Martina: 332 Serena: 319 Chris:260 Margaret, was the unquestioned number one for 12 straight years, except for time taken off to have a baby, and one year when she first married. Something like 500 weeks.....
If you are a true competetor you wanna win by overcoming the challenge,by testing yourself,if its by any other means it doesnt give you the bliss.Sports figues mentality is on a different level to normal people,normal people should take caution before judging them.You can say well i played sports too,but theres substantial difference in mentality of Winner and runner up,let alone amatures or recreational sports.
I disagree, John McEnroe was given a penalty at the 81 Wimbledon for saying to the umpire "you are the pits of the world". Serena took it further by telling the umpire that he would never be allowed to work at any of her matches (like she controls the umpire for any match) and calling him a thief. Plus, it was her third violation. At the press conference, Serena said she was arguing for women's rights. How does getting coaching signals, breaking a racquet, and berating the officials further women's rights in tennis? She behaved the same way at the 04 and 09 US Open also. The rules are there to protect the integrity of the sport. No single player can ever be greater than the sport.
The men didn't have a game taken away because they knew when to stop. She thinks she owns the court. Enabled by the supportive crowd, who thinks she can do no wrong.
Exactly - it's not what you say it's how you say it - throw all the f bombs you want at me but once you insult my character the narrative changes. The ump handled the berating very well IMO, she blew it when she decided to call him a thief.
It's a disgrace that Serena's petulant behavior is being excused by the race-mongers and gender-mongers out there. Naomi Osaka's genuine achievement - what should be the greatest moment of her life to this point - was ruined by the match attendees, the media, the head of the US Tennis Association, Billy Jean King, and Serena herself. Osaka is black and from Japan, and to be black in Japan is fractionally as difficult as Serena's mad dog defenders imagine being black in America is.
100% accurate. She needs to retire. I got some dumb stares at work when asked about it. I said she's a disgrace. Plain and simple. I am hated for saying such an outrageous racist statement. SMH. The PC BS is crazy. What Katrina Adams said was pathetic as what BJK. And also, Juan Martin Delpotro and Novak Djokovic. Unbelievable. She has done this numerous times. Look when she played Clijsters. Id she doesn't get her way, she attacks and pulls out any card she can use.
What lies? I said she was black, as you have noted. And she may live on Long Island, but she was born in Osaka, Japan, according to the Japan Tennis Association website. Her birth place is probably the reason why she goes by "Osaka" and not some French name, which is what you might expect with a Haitian father.
Thank you, Stephen A. for your honesty as well as for presenting the chair umpire's record of consistent hard-core calls for both men and women. You are too right. Serena Williams, just.... pfffft.
What do you mean with hardcore calls? Calling an umpire stupid what Murray did once, a thief or a liar what Serena did,the use of the f...word what many players did is simply verbal abuse u get penalized for.What is hardcore about that?Hardcore for me are the verbal attacks of Serena and many other also male players like Murray,Roddick,Nole and yes even Fed sometimes.Ever thought about that? Insulting the umpire is ok for you? These are not simply harmless common outbursts which you could just overhear.I respect Ramos a lot.He follows the rules never saw him going over the line and to my memory was never incorrect. Some other umpires are much to tolerant and players often impose on the umpires 'kindness'. I totally agree with you except the 'hardcore' thing
I'm not certain, but it would seem that you and I have a different understanding of what 'hardcore', (as used in both the television exchange and as I used the word in my comment), literally means...as per 'dictionary' understanding. As to that, HARDCORE, as a noun, is defined by words of this sort: uncompromising, rigid, long-standing, unyielding... The chair-umpire's record, as well as his reputation, are known and established 'fact' in this arena. So--I believe I'll choose to stand by that particular descriptive, if you don't mind. When it comes to knowing and enforcing the rules, this chair umpire is hardcore about this, just as he should be, in MY book.
100% agree with you Linda. Also if people think that the rules are too strict they need to take that up with the appropriate tennis associations. As an umpire carlos just did his job. Honestly if Serena really had a problem with inconsistency she should have called out the umpires that were supposedly more lenient towards men.
If Serena was standing up for women, then why did she threatened to harm a female line judge who called a foot fault on her? Did you forget about that incident?? Cameras confirmed it was a correct call and witnesses there confirmed that the threat was made by Serena.
@@jeremyadames6588 Hahaha yeah its true look at the videos on youtube. She threatened to shove a tennis ball down the line judge throat. She wouldn't have been disqualified from the match if it wasn't true.
Jeremy Adames Check out the 2009 US open semi-finals against Clijster. Serena was also fined for her actions. Later Serena apologized for her behavior and offered to give the line judge a hug. Reported by ESPN.
Max is wrong. Mac & Connors always faced repercussions for their unsportsmanlike conduct. McEnroe was disqualified from Australian Open & Davis Cup finals.
It was disgusting that Osaka was booed at the end. She deserved the win and even without Serena's meltdown Osaka would have won.
Notoriously drunk New Yorkers. Rude af. Ever watch a Yankees/Sox game at Yankee Stadium?
@@brianbarrett192 must be a shit Sox fan if u bringing that up, any chance u guys get huh lmao😂
Quite likely
Heck the ladies speech to Serena at the ceremony. Heck the way she handed the trophy horrible
Serena's meltdown was ONLY because Osaka was going to win straight sets for the second time in a row.
Carlos Ramos was incredibly calm and professional while receiving threats and abuse. Serena began by screaming, demanding an apology, threatening his entire career and ended in tears complaining to his superior while claiming discrimination. Carlos' ruling were upheld and Serena was fined. Carlos deserves an apology plain and simple. A great example to all Portuguese people to how to not be bullied while remaining calm.
spoiled brat, she was perfectly in the wrong there and she had to pull out the gender card to seem reasonable smfh
Molly is just a feminist
Max is trying to keep his job
And Stephen a smith is real one
Facts
We still here in 2020😂
Yep*
The most real comment I’ve read 💯 💯 💯
Lol can’t hate on max for tryna provide for his family but Molly’s is an idiot. Gotta love Stephen A tho
“I don’t cheat, I’d rather lose” Serena still managed to do both 😭
And still the greatest😭
@mehrab hossain greatest
@@MichaelJohnson-mj4sn its tennis who gives af😂 and shes juiced to the gills with steroids and doesn't deserve the credit anyways
@mehrab hossain Greatest*
@mehrab hossain Greatest
Serena Williams didn’t lose the US Open final because of what she did with the coaching, the racquet smash and verbal abuse. She lost it because she was outplayed by Naomi Osaka. And let’s stop focusing on this controversy. Let’s give Ms Osaka her dues for outplaying Serena Williams.
Yep. She won fair and square.
I'm like number 69!
Philip Greenaway we will never no
@@ImtiredofUok *Know
Naomi Osaka is (I think) the first Japanese woman to win a grand slam. That first set. Damn, that first set was amazing to watch just to see how good Osaka was.
Carlos Ramos took the moment from Naomi? Please! It was Serena’s poor sportswomanship that did it. Even the black commentator acknowledges it!!
sara lincoln no, it wasn’t, all due respect Sara. You would have stated a strong case, it if wasn’t for the undeniable fact that this has been a systematic behaviour from Serena’s behalf when she has found herself against the ropes during a defining moment in a decisive US Open match. This was the third time in Serena’s U.S. Open career that she’s been losing a match late in the tournament and melted down in bizarre fashion, the previous ones being her 2009 SF against Clijsters, and the 2011 F against Stosur. Carlos Ramos wasn’t the chair umpire on those, and yet, the same exact thing occurred. Each time, it resulted in eventual defeat. Each time, it made her look like a sore loser and an entitled person. Each time, willingly or unwillingly, she eclipsed the feat of her opponents, who bested her fair and square. And each time, the race card, the misogyny card, the persecution card was used. There is no doubt that the tennis world did treat Venus and Serena with contempt and disdain, but that doesn’t justify Serena’s demeanour in all of the mentioned incidents.
sara lincoln bizarre fashion as in an odd manner or way. Nothing to do with wardrobe. In your mind, Serena’s behaviour was justified, and that is your opinion. I beg to differ, and let us agree to disagree.
@sara lincoln show us the receipts (and by receipts i mean confirmed links not your word)
Exactly!
Christian arce indeed
I cant believe these people are justifying that disgraceful act of her.
this is why I hate SJWs. They're blind by their stupidity and ignorance.
You are a disgrace
@@naigh-naighwhy222 stupid ass kisser.
Didn't Stephen A Smith point out Serena Williams was wrong? So, why did you say "these people" are justifying her disgraceful act?
Her first punishment was just a warning. It was totally her fault for smashing her racket and calling names that resulted in a lost point and then game
"Although many men throw their rackets too"
Yeah they also get punished
there's literally a clip of the same ump (carlos ramos) giving Djokovic a warning for bouncing his racket off the court. There was no damage done to the racket at all. You cannot claim that he is a sexist.
@@angrychickengod3831 Another funny fact is that Serena is known for throwing tantrums for losing or making a misplay, breaking a lot of racquets in the process and she didn't get that many warnings from those. But like always, people talk as if this was her only match and as if what she said was the absolute truth.
Tennis: *Has rules*
Serena: *Breaks rules*
Umpire: *Enforces rules*
Dumbasses: “Why did he enforce the rules”
Because gender unhhnn😕
@@divyanshukumar2243 doesn't matter
Amen
@@pavlostsitsipas9579 but ... nvm you're too dumb
@sara lincoln Not that I think it changes much in this particular case, but where do I find these statistics?
Max is scared of the race card. lmao
Please tell me where I can purchase a race card? How much are they? Can I purchase them in store or online? I really need to know!! I can use it it the next time a Police officer attempts to kill another innocent black person, or the next time a racist white person calls the Police on us for doing nothing, like watering the lawn, going into their home, or simply picking up garbage in the area.
Callie Wooooooosh
Callie ... You just used it.
Callie Bruh, that only happens to black men. You are a black female. Stop saying “we”
@@Calandr28 You already have one from the looks of it
The first thing Serena said was I would never cheat, I am a mother. To this day I don't know the connection.
Welcome to modern day feminism where you wake up in the morning, throw logic out the window and go then on about your day.
Because she takes motherhood seriously, unlike the one who raised you .
You will never understand that because chlorophyll makes the leaves look green.
Serena sounds like a lunatic, period.
@@MoReal2 I take WWII seriously but I still wouldn't bring it up.
Even two years later, Serena's sly determination to win --using her tantrums to disrupt Naomi's concentration. with a disorderly mob cheering for her, was a baptism by fire for a 20 year old champion. What a disgrace Serena is.
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What ya'll expec.... She from dah compton hood and ya can't take dat out
Your mum is a dosgrace
She didn't just say "thief" lol
She harassed him for like 5 minutes straight.
Such behavior needs to be reprimanded.
Dom serena used the
*race card*
*mother card*
*gender card*
yeah, she said he was 'unattractive inside'.. oh wait. No, she said she'd shove a ball down his throat...oh, uh.. wait...I'm getting my rants mixed up - there are just so many!
It’s funny that they never brought that up. The ref literally looked away 15 times when Serena was yelling apologize right now.
Totally agree
@@Centre14 ikr
Serena was 100% wrong. I love her, but a complete lack of class. Molly needs to be quiet.
this incident no doubt tarnished her legacy. i mean what parent would want their daughter to have such as sore loser as a role model ?
They have short memories or don’t watch tennis she always behaves like Th is us open 2009 she threatened to shove a ball down a line judges throat she’s a pathetic self entitled brat tbh
@@LordCaedus-bl7wi what did she do, didnt she pointed at a ref? I dont find that offensive
@@kleshayer3751 you can't actually be serious.
@@sanasdate3421 nba, football players do way worse this is a case of sexism dude
It was her third violation. Her third. Do you know what it says in the rules for your third violation? It costs you a game. So how about we ask the real question that should be asked? At what point is in on Serena to get her act together and act professional? As someone who has played the game for the better part of three DECADES, and has won many opens, she knows the third violation is a game point. She should know that yelling and picking a fight with an umpire is never correct. Serena is the reason why this moment was stolen from Naomi, not the umpire. And an umpire shouldn't look the other way just to make the game tell a better story because now you are talking about match fixing. Rules are there for a reason. When you step onto the court you are agreeing to play by the rules. Serena broke the rules, she got punished. End of story. No wiggle room. None.
As to the anyone trying to lay blame at the feet of the umpire, he sat there for 90 seconds while Serena verbally abused him. The second she started chirping he could have cost her a point but he kept calm and tried to explain the situation to her. I dare anyone who thinks this umpire was in the wrong to sit in a chair, let someone yell at them for 90 seconds and try to remain half as calm and respectful as he was. Damn few of you could have done it with as much grace as he did.
aF Kayzar thank you for mentioning the right question.
Melo Bryant nigga you don’t know nothing bout the ghetto so don’t step on a great girls hustle because she a bit hood shut the fuck up
@Melo Bryant lol while her display was inappropriate, there was nothing "ghetto" about the way she behaved. And what exactly do you consider as "ghetto". Not trying to play the race card but the only thing about her that would typically be associated as "ghetto" is her skin tone. But I'm not going to make accusations of you having a particular mindset...
@@jituscalc3215 Serena Williams is said to earn around £16m in endorsements yearly
Preach
The umpire stole Osaka's moment ? Serena did ! Serena is the worst sore loser, we all know that.
it has been a while since this happened, still this commen is spot on
Years later. This is still true. Serena's hissy fit took away the moment, the ump was just doing his job
Thank you, that is exactly what I wanted to express. Serina made it all about herself.
I have no respect for Serena, I'm tired of seeing her ads.. i'm tired of seeing her period. Shes a pos 'feminist' cause shes not a real feminist.
I'm feel bad for Osaka tbh , working hard , winning and everyone's focus on serena's meltdown
Bruh
@@benjiii3407 woah calm down there!! That was a little too much!!
Just a random dude my bad. Really shouldn’t have said the n word. My bad
Funny how everybody who actually are knowledgeable in tennis agree with the official
And everyone who supports modern feminism goes with Serena
Because people who are knowledgeable in tennis know the rules. Serena broke the rules. Simple as that.
But the game was a little too much , every player does that , she’s the only that’s been penalized for it
In a finals*
Ricardo Rovira not true on both fronts. And again, that’s the rules.
Did he just blame it on the chair umpire? The chair umpire literally did everything 100% within the rules and in his power. SERENA took away Noami's moment. 100% Serena's fault all of it. A white male on TV can't possibly blame a black female publicly even when its so blatantly obvious what Serena did was WRONG.
Max = 100% wrong.
Stephen = 90% right.
Only problem I have with him is calling Serena the GOAT and saying if she were a man she would be the GOAT. I know its a bit semantic, but Serena is the GOAT of Female tennis. Not tennis. Serena can't even beat a #200+ ranked male. She is NOT the GOAT of tennis. There is a HUGE difference in play between men and women in Tennis. Probably more so than any other sport.
Serena hasn't done shit compared to Federer.
Male and Female Tennis are like different sports. You can't compare them
Serena is literally one of the worst tennis players in history when it comes to on court behavior while Federer is literally known for being well behaved. Obviously you don't watch Tennis.
Whilst I agree Female Tennis and Male Tennis are very different, they are still the exact same sport. The actually game is practically the same thing, its just the style and intensity of the sport is far different
@@anubisgod23
Do they use slightly different raquets as well? I'm not sure but I think they might use different raquets (or is it balls)?
The racket** (not raquet) is the individual's choice. I imagine the females would PROBABLY tend to chose lighter ones, while men are probably more inclined to chose heavier ones. That being said, when I played I chose a lighter racket with a firm net for more power and less spin. So it is quite possibly purely up to the individual
At the top level, ATP tours, men's tennis balls, I believe, are made slightly differently. I am not exactly certain on how they do this, but womens tennis balls go faster and glide in the air more. Men's tennis balls fluff up easier and tend to be slower. Yet they are the same size and weight, so how they accomplish this difference I am not sure. I think its to allow females like Serena to be able to serve at similar speeds to males. You'd have to look up the details on how they created this difference. would be interesting to see
Other than that thay are the exact same. Same rules, same lines, same courts, same rackets, same balls (except above), womens tennis is just shorter (best of 3).
"As a black man, I am..." ... again, race & gender are being brought up when neither is necessary. I'm getting so sick of this black/white, men/women, etc. Why can't we just be human? Period!!
Jammer Jen I think for what he was saying it’s valid though, he was saying because of all the things black tennis players go thru, he was extremely proud of her
Because there is a difference in Being Black and white, stupid leftist for always trying to deny that
Africans do not generally think of themselves in racial terms because all of their neighboring countries are black, everyone in the country is black, everyone has a tribal connection and a known history and everyone looks alike.
As someone presumably smart enough to hold down a job and pass high school, think about why Black Americans would hold closer to a racial identity than Africans.
I agree with you about race for this conversation: irrelevant. But gender is being discussed here because Serena went there with Ramos, the umpire. Serena claimed that she was standing up for women tennis players everywhere, and Steven A is calling BS because Ramos has given men the exact same penalties for those same rule violations. I think the sexism card just popped into Serena's head and she went with it. If she were calmer and had it to do over again, I'd like to think she'd realize how foolish that was.
Qichar I get what u mean 100% but the comment I replied to said ‘ why bring race into this ‘. I just simply told him/her why Steven A brought it up
3:39 Huge respect for Stephen A. to stand up and speak what’s right, not what the public wanted to hear.
I can tell from the comments. actually what Stephen was saying that's exactly what the public want to hear
Hussein Younes USO crowd wanted to hear something else
@@darkss6024 Ahha I understand, but the real Public in my perspective is here commenting on the video because anyone can access the video and comment, and after skimming through the comments more than 90 % not only agree with Stephen, also very mad about how rude Serena acted.
He makes a living down playing black athletes so ehh
@@husseinyounes4140 ah but in my view the real public now is the loud minority of the public that creates the story. The real public is here in the comment you’re right. But the real public doesn’t control the narrative or facts. Just the reaction
This max dude doesn’t know a damn thing about tennis does he?
Nope...
AColonDashSix lol, he thinks Serena is the best Tennis Player, he has no logic of Tennis.
Hes just a poor white guy trying to keep his job.
@@fireballdude7368 I mean... she kinda is
But still was way out of line. No excuses - she was in the wrong.
Ramos didn't take anything away from Osaka, he was enforcing the rules of tennis! It was Serena temper tantrum and shamful conduct that caused all this.
Ramos didnt take shit, Serena did, by acting up she caused controversy to swirl around herself, and that was irresponsible enough, but that overshadowed such a huge victory for Osaka
Thank you, Stephen A, for telling it like it is. I love tennis and have the greatest respect for Serena as the greatest female player of all time, but she crossed a few lines here, and, worse, showed no respect for her worthy opponent Naomi Osaka.
The greatest player of all time is Steph Graph, and no room for debate. The only one we would possibly be discussing would be Monica Seles, but we know what stopped it.
Osaka WAS victimized, but not by the umpire, it's by the actions of Serena. Serena is the one who stole a great moment from Osaka with her SJW temper, and even though she doesn't give a shit, she should be ashamed. Funny enough, I'm writing this from Osaka, Japan.
Sebastien her fuckin initials are SJW 😂
Actually, she does give a shit! That's why she asked the crowd to stop booing, during the award ceremony. Now, I agree that it is Serena's actions that spoiled Naomi's great moment. Serena was wrong and is completely reprehensible. But what transpired between her and the umpire, took place during gameplay. And I'm sure Serena would've expected any reaction from the crowd to take place during the time of the incident, not the award ceremony.
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@@TheTmat007 wong ? when the chair umpire penalize coaching that was not the way ????? pffff I just think that you don't like her like some people because of her ski colour, because of her body, because of her wins. Just be honnest, you may have been frustrated when you try to find you serenity to win a game and some authority just sink you and find the right moment to make her loose.
@@danjul974 She has always behaved like this in the US Open. It's not like it was the first time and the umpire put a blemish on her spotless career. Say what you will she was getting killed on the court. Even if she had a good start to the second set Osaka came back quickly and would've won but its a hypothetical. She has abused tournament officials and linesmen before don't call it discrimination.
Insert himself???.......... He sat there and stoically took it while Serena berated him for close to five minutes straight while calling him a thief. He was doing his job by enforcing the rules, and imo showed enormous restraint before finally pulling the trigger so that they could get on with the match. Shame on Serena.
Larry Williams nope.... ump should not decide a match, everybody knows this
Tijan
What are you talking about? The umpire shouldn’t enforce the rules? You’re just taking a trite statement and somehow applying it to rules that determine how the game is played. If Tom Brady gets a penalty for crossing the line of scrimmage before making a pass should the refs just forget about the penalty because it might affect the game?
What match you watch go watch it again "berated him" do you know what that word means... PLEASEEEEEESE
Well, I know what it means....
And I quote (dictionary):
Berate means----- to scold vehemently & at length, to rebuke, to reprimand, admonish, upbraid, take to task...etc.
NOW WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT MEANS..
PLEASEEEEESE, INDEED.
Naomi Osaka decided that match by putting a whooping on Serena the entire time. Serena lost it because she was taking a beating and that is what triggered her tirade. She did the same thing when she was in the semi's a few years back losing to Kim Klijsters. She threatened to shove a ball down the officials throat and lost match point. It's become the Norm for Serena in big matches when she is getting outplayed.
1) Coaching happened. Her coach admitted it people. First infraction. 2) Broken racket - Second infraction. 3). Verbal Abuse - 3rd infraction which AUTOMATICALLY RESULTS IN LOSS OF GAME BECAUSE ITS THE 3RD INFRACTION. Its the rules people. Can't believe you're even talking about this? Especially the girl on the panel?? Do u not understand the rules? Had she said "thief" on the FIRST INFRACTION then it would not have cost her the game. Its simple. It doesn't matter how "small" the infraction was. It was the THIRD ONE which is why the penalty was more severe. Common sense. Stephen A is right. That's why nothing was overturned. Worst part is, Serena knows the rules. She did this to herself and that's the best part. Why don't y'all talk about what REALLY went down and WHY SERENA KEPT PUSHING KNOWING THAT THE 3RD INFRACTION WOULD COST A GAME?? I'll tell why, CUZ SHE WAS GETTING HER BUTT KICKED AND SHE NEEDED AN EXCUSE AFTERWARD AS TO WHY SHE LOST SO QUICKLY / EASILY. Sorry but it's obvious. A combination of her emotions and losing got the best of her. She had a meltdown and tried to spin the narrative in her favor. Sore loser. Such a joke. Now attention is all on her, not the winner; and she's not a bitter loser but a "womens rights hero". Selfish and a complete joke. The official did his job and followed the rules, plain and simple. She lost... twice. On the court, and in this argument.
100% correct couldn't have put it better myself. The weird thing is that, it all happened during a final. She caused such a scene and then the public followed. I can't believe she did this to Osaka, she should apologize not the umpire.
what if you break your racket on your coach while swearing at him
@@carolc9655 she needs to apologize to both, shoot she needs to apologize to everyone lol and people wonder why our schools are starting to fill up with more and more rebellious behavior. If u celebrate what Serena did and laud her as a hero, then the exact message we are sending to our children is that they too can "be a hero like her". We are encouraging bad behavior no matter how u try to spin it. Either its okay to yell at and ridicule an official that has authority, or its not. If kids are told to celebrate what Serena just did, then parents, teachers, and principals better celebrate when kids are "emotional and passionate" in the classroom while throwing a fit. I'm so sick of hearing her say that. It's her go to line when she acts like this and its not an excuse. I'm extremely passionate about my family, my career working with children, my favorite hobby of fishing, and I'm very competitive on the basketball court; but my "passion" never manifests like this. Its not "passion", it is emotion, but it is letting your emotions get the best of u and its wrong. If anything it reveals immaturity (at 36), entitlement, and emotional instability. We should not celebrate this or tell young ladies to look up to it.
@justkeepcasting
Didn't players get DQ'd after 3 infractions back in the day?
@@SFO14 may have? I honestly don't really follow it anymore. Was a big Federer fan. But pro sports in general are just getting more like this across the board. Hard to watch.
Serena knew that she's losing the match... she intentionally made a scene for Osaka to probably change her rhythm and mood... but it's definitely Osaka's moment to shine! Go Osaka my new Tennis Inspiration 😍💪🎾
she did the same thing with Clusters. There is a pattern that when she is about to lose, she will create a scene
Osaka mopped the court with Serena. And Serena was clearly frustrated and angry about it. But I don't believe her extended antics and verbal abuse of the ump were a plan. She clearly lost control of her emotions, and her behavior showed this. She was not acting.
@@brianbarrett192 Cause that woman is full of herself, shes pathetic. Serena is who I mean btw Osaka just seems like someone genuine who loves the sport and was playing against their idol.. I bet she isn't anymore.
Edit - Eat me ESPN
What a bizarre world we live in where the referee enforcing the rules that EVERYONE agrees with is blamed for enforcing those rules. She knew he was an extremely strict official. She could have stopped at the 2nd point but no, she just had to keep raging and it cost her a game. Then she had the gall to say it was sexist. Disappointing.
We also don‘t blame cops for stopping people who do illegal car races just because it would have made for an epic race
Rules of tennis: 1st offense is warning, 2nd offense is loss of point, 3rd offense is loss of game. Regardless of women or men. The rules, as is pay, is equal across. You cannot fault the chair umpire for enforcing the rules. You cannot fault the chair umpire for refusing to look the other way because she was Serena Williams and instead prefer to utilize his power to punish a lower ranked player for making the same offense, in a grand slam. Rules are rules, that’s what the lines are for in a court. Out is out. In is in. Get over it people.
Agreed except pay isn’t equal, men get payed a lot more in prize money; but for obvious reasons that year long tennis fans not casuals know about. etc: match length plus skill.
HeistGotFame - and the fact that Serena and venas got beat by the 203rd ranked man in the world
@@mymh8633 That's ridiculous to even mention. His highest ranking was in the 40s.
Speak brotha
@@heistgotfame-6952 wrong
Max, please shut up.
- Everybody else on earth
You too
TysonDoesStuff thanks that sums it up simply, first his Tiger Woods BS then this, does this guy actually watch the shit he comments on.
I will never trust that dew on anything now, even in boxing
Max, your an idiot!.. The "Ref/Judge" ruined the Win for the her?.. Really?!?.. It was Serena's fault the Win was ruined!.. Screaming and throwing a tantrum like a spoiled Brat... She ruined it!
Except the far left libtards that have absolutely no logic and have to view every black and female as victims.
Watch how many penalties Nick Kyrgios gets and you realize that this isn't sexism
Those rare moments when Stephen A has it absolutely correct.
ny_kia31 agreed
@@jorgeromeroii5277 What's a Barack Loser?
Wrong. The Umpire should have handled it much better. No need to giveaway a game, just a caution. Would he have done that to a Prime/intimidating Marat Safin? Hell no.
ny_kia31 he really is. That ref may have a stick up his ass and there’s retarded rules to tennis but Serena was out of line in accusing the dude of sexism when it’s clearly not the case.
I still find it disgusting how a human reaction out of Serena prompts the actual racists and sexists to start calling her a gorilla and go “SEE. WOMAN ARE RUINING EVERYTHING”.
It’s just an utter mess.
VERY RARE, YOU ARE CORRECT
1:35 I hate how Molly can get on national tv and say a blatant false statement based from pure ignorance. If you smash your racquet to the point where it cannot be used, that is an infraction, man or woman. Since that was her second infraction of the match,it was justly deemed a point penalty. There is literally no argument there.
Dude leave we love her
Black Mamba naw molly is getting pure annoying people are starting to dislike her
Black Mamba she’s trash, everyone hates her...keep dreaming
Black Mamba nigga YOU love her. She literally knows nothing about half the topics they speak on and is always budging In saying some cringe shit, then it’s just an awkward silence for 5 seconds because max and Stephen A know she don’t know what tf she talking about
the rule is the same for men and women but as with most if not all of these unsportsmanlike conduct violations they are not always enforced strictly to the tee. there have been many moments where raquets have been smashed and no penalty was given. so it is fair to point to that.
still, SAS is in the right here for once. serena is entirely at fault for escalating the situation and making a whole scene of it, which she already has a record of doing. its extremely unprofessional, and thats exactly where she differs from the mens champions like federer, nadal or djokovic. if they get what they feel like is a BS call against them, theyll let the ump know, sure. but then theyll go back to playing tennis. serena has proven multiple times that she is either uncapable or simply unwilling to do that. no sympathy with her there.
They say "But he took a *GAME* away from her! Not just a point!"
Yeah, because that was the THIRD violation, and as stated in the rules of tennis, the penalty of a THIRD violation is taking away a game. Their lack of knowledge is disgraceful in their positions of influence.
The guy on the right and the woman are idiotic.
@@Scallion_D I think the guy on the right is just trying keep his job
Also the woman said she played tennis, obviously not good and never read the rules.
@@aaronmontgomery2055 yeah Max Kellerman is usually smarter than this he's just saying this cuz he ain't black
@@resurrectedpa yeah but thats even worse because that would make him a coward and a liar
@@JonathanGarza16 yeah true
''She's probabily right'' - Gotta say, great journalism right there.
That same umpire (Carlos Ramos) has penalized men for far less than couching all his career. She was only a entitled child and Ramos called her out for it.
Serena has threatened a lineswoman and lied about it, calls judges names and uses personal insults, lied about being coached, has lied about who she played when McEnroe made a comment about her. Everything she complains about she is guilty of.
and what does that have do the with the us open final
SHE IS NOT THE GOAT...Yep she said she would stuff that (&*&%&&**x) ball down a lines woman throat. Then she lied saying she never said that...it was caught by a court microphone and played later for all to see, guess she isn't a cheater but a liar? The real GOAT is Roger Federer, he would never cheat and NEVER LIE!
Radu Blanc Wrong. The same "guy in the chair" did similar to a male tennis player for slamming his racquet into the ground.
Radu Blanc if you keep yelling and insulting an empire into his face ,you are going to get punished no matter who you are. There is nothing personal about it.
John Johnson what does that have to do with this incident?
Ramos didn't take it away from Osaka the crowds poor attitude did and Serena's behaviour not the umpire
Thinking the official that made the ruling that harassed the player is without fault... holy hell TH-cam comments are fucking dumb
The umpire made it about him!
TstormVA2012 No! Serena made it about her!
Quote from the ESPN douche:
“The umpire should have let it go”
No! Serena should have let it go. She had already addressed the umpire previously about the call he made. There was no reason to go at him again at that point. She should have just did like ever other player and kept her composure and finished the game.
Totally agree. The umpire made the right calls -- good on Ramos for not making exceptions because he was dealing with a superstar in the person of Williams. The crowd and Williams are indeed the ones to blame.
no doubt
Imagine a male player berating and harassing a female umpire like that......now imagine the media reaction to it.....so much for sexism......
“Imagine some shit that didn’t happen.”
“Now Imagine my argument makes sense.”
“Because you’d have to live in the land of make believe to come to the conclusion that if we ignore something that is wrong sometimes it means we should do it all the time, or that one instance of ignorance somehow negates another instance of clarity.”
Your argument is passive aggressive.
Ian Farris Passive aggressive? Lol, look at your comment, putting empty words of sarcasm in his mouth. Your projection is palpable.
You know damn well the reaction would be _completely_ different, with the genders reversed. So here's a tip for you, sparky: Just because you don't like an argument that you have no rebuttal to doesn't mean you should speak and make a fool of yourself. Know when to spot a point you can't refute, and move along.
Ian Ferris - not passive aggressive...metaphorically wrinkle-free....
@@Repetoire You're the aggressive one Ian.
Double standers bitches
anyone who knows anything about tennis knows that Serena was wrong here. I agree, males have said a lot worse and have only been penalized a point instead of a game. BUT, Serena KNEW she already had two previous code violations and therefore her next violation would be a game penalty. I agree, both men and women have said worse but not on the brink of a third offense. I would also like to say that Serena went on and on and on. She did not only call him a "liar" and a "thief," she went on and on and on demanding an apology from the official. this was not sexism. this was not racism. this was Serena Williams being a sore loser.
For the first time in a long time, I agree with Stephen. This wasn’t about sex, the umpire is known for being a strict guy towards EVERYBODY.
Exactly. Serena knew that she was probably going to lose, so she made this about the officiating.
No he’s not. He’s known to be inconsistent
Fuck u all sexiest fucks how can u say say that
@@JCole-fg3rr wtf
@@Juanfermandez_224 gtfo bro that umpire does that to everyone shes sensitive that she was losing she just had a baby all those emotions are showing up
Three things to remember:
-There were 4x as many code violations issued to men at the 2018 us open than women. (22 women - 96 men, sort of contradicts the sexism claim)
-Serena has been assessed more in misconduct fines than any other player in women’s tennis the last 10 years.
- third violation is an automatic game, most players stop acting up when the next infraction is a game penalty, Serena thought she was above the rules. There was no choice but to take a game for third violation.
There was a choice. Sorry I watch tennis. A lot of it. You obviously dont along with a lot of people on these threads.
Women are on court far less so there is your reason for those irrelevant statistics.
Given the championship nature of the match, he could have said "Serena, if you dont let this go I will give you a third violation". The rules have been selectively applied. Its not about sexism. That's where she lost a lot of peoples respect. She was victim to unfair umpiring but it had nothing to do with gender.
Violation 1:
I literally saw coverage of Sasha coaching Naomi. All of them do it so this ruling needs serious readdressing as you can't just give a violation if the ump sees it which is what obviously happened. Ramos saw Patrick do it but not Sasha...so how is that fair? Ruling needs to be examined immediately. If an umpire cannot surveillance it then the coaching from the stands should just be allowed. Saying Ramos was "within his means to implement the ruling" is a total copout. Its discriminatory to implement it to one person and not the other. Thats final.
Violation 2:
Serena was under the impression Violation 1 was a unofficial warning not a violation. She absolutely deserved this violation as it is fair across the board but the breakdown in communication between Ramos and Serena meant she didn't understand that this would be Violation 2 not Violation 1.
Violation 3:
She mentally spiralled. As would most players in the situation. That was not verbal abuse. That was tame love. The pretentiousness of the world continues to amaze me. "A thief"...verbal abuse? LMAO. Ramos abused his power and threw out violations like he was throwing candy to kids on Halloween.
Both players are the victims. The integrity of the match (A GRAND SLAM FINAL) was diminished the moment his authority complex came the centre of the match. He job is to maintain order and let the tennis be what decides the outcome of the match. He tweaked and selectively applied rulings.
People are becoming so diverted by the sexism claims but it should be about how to implement rulings fairly. Not about the sexism bullshit. Naomi Osaka won the 2018 US Open fair and square and what a wonderful human being she is but both players were robbed of the moment.
a h Your argument is completely invalid.
1) Men were given 4x as many violations as women. They are only on the court for 66% longer and there are 128 participants for both sexes. That clearly shows the men were called out WAY more than the women.
2) Rules are rules. The referee has no need to give a "warning" about giving a third violation. This would ONLY be a case if the ref was letting one player get away with stuff and the other wasn't. Carlos Ramos has been consistent throughout his career, his superiors (like SAS stated) hold him in the highest regard, and there's a reason he was selected to referee a finals.
3) The undeserved leniency you see in other sports does not apply to tennis. In baseball, basketball, etc. you can get away with talking because nobody can hear. In tennis though? You have a GIANT MICROPHONE broadcasting every word you are saying, and the crowd is SILENT by rule. The game is completely stopped, your words are the only thing going on, and you're defaming a man's integrity to the entire world.
Overall: I agree with SAS. Serena is the greatest female tennis player, but she has a history of terrible attitudes and she's getting rightly punished for it.
@a h
You should be a lawyer. You've got the finessing the BS part down pat. Definitely NOT good with the math, though.
jyashin
1) Did you even read my response about me believing this has nothing to do with gender? Yet you continue to compare men and women lol. Your the one caught up with the sexism viewpoint. My argument is that UMPIRING across the board is inconsistent. Nothing to do with men or women. So once again, your statistics regarding male vs female
2) "Rules are rules". Absolute copout. Rules are there to ensure fair play. This is not occurring. Again, actually read what I wrote.
"This would ONLY be a case if the ref was letting one player get away with stuff and the other wasn't" - Again, read what I wrote. This is exactly what he did. In reference to this match, Osaka got the exact same coaching from Sasha as Serena did Patrick. ONLY ONE PLAYER WAS GIVEN A VIOLATION. I swear it's like talking to a kindergarden student with you.
"Carlos Ramos has been consistent throughout his career, his superiors (like SAS stated) hold him in the highest regard, and there's a reason he was selected to referee a finals" - People of the highest regard often make misjudgements. That is what happened here. He did not use his discretion adequately. Again, diminishing the integrity of the final.
3) His integrity should be questioned. It's 2018 mate. Everyone is accountable for their decisions and so is he. Just like Serena is to the backlash she is receiving. She wrongly made this about sexism. I do not believe Ramos was sexist is any way. I believe Ramos applied a ruling to one and not the other as you so deny. This is wrong. Especially in a GS Final. His decisions were damning.
We will have to agree to disagree as you are clearly uneducated in the tennis field.
MrVpassenheim The maths comparing men and women violations are irrelevant as I clearly stated that I believe no sexism occurred. Are all you people severely uneducated or something? That was my only criticism to Serena, making this about gender and not about the selective nature of the rulings themselves. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HER BEEN A WOMAN. THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH SELECTIVE IMPLEMENTATION OF RULINGS. Please read my response before saying nonsense.
Carlos Ramos took nothing away from Osaka. Serena did. Serena got penalized for her own actions. The only people who try to bring sexism into this are those with an agenda to push.
You said it. People need to take responsibility for their actions. Serena cost herself this game with the way she conducted herself.
Liberals never take responsibility for there actions.
Ramos annoying
The Fuzz you nazi couldn’t wait for Serena to lose damn devils
Nope, Ramos did. Serena knew she was not going to win. Especially when you get penalized for playing the game. Coaching is in every sport. When that infraction occured, she was on the opposite end of the court. It is apparent to me, you
never won any sporting event, because If you did, you would know of what is like to compete, not to be a spectator, which you are. You watch too much TV, play the game. The umpire started this. McEnroe cussed at umpires, nothing happened, just like in every major sport. And he was not alone.
Stephen a is absolutely right. The same referee has done the same to men. Serena was just comparing herself to other cases where there was a different referee. The ref, although harsh, worked within the rules
when u try to be politically correct........ but a man of the same colour calls bullshit on it haha
The reason it was a game penalty and not a warning/point penalty was because it was the THIRD code violation. Other men who were given code violations usually didn’t receive game penalties because they knew to stop after the first or second violation. Serena would not stop badgering the umpire for several minutes on end until he finally gave her the third violation, which per the rules, is an automatic game penalty. If you’re going to claim Ramos shouldn’t have intervened because this is the biggest stage of tennis, then you should also expect the same of Serena to act in a professional manner under those circumstances.
she thought he wouldn't go there. even threatening that he would never get a job as long as she plays wtf
Exactly! Umpire following rules, doing his job. He didn't just randomly give her a game penalty. She completely ruined Osakas crowning moment and barely even cared. Its always gotta be about Serena. Also pathetic people who would boo Osaka winning as well, scum.
Exactly. This is why I hate fandom. Her fans booed Osaka and the Umpire because they are sheep, blindly following their idol.
Richard Pei i said the same thing to one of my friends Serena Williams should have handled that with class and let her game speak for itself she could have came back she's Serena and in that type of a moment she's supposed to be the more well-mannered player but she cried like a baby talking about women rights and if she was a man this wouldn't happen. Give me a break Naomi wasn't throwing her racket on the ground and arguing with the judge talking about I need a referee oh please she played her game and deserve to win and Serena stoled Her Shine with that bullshit 😤 she did if somebody would have did that to her she would have said that was very unclassy of them and not a good look for tennis.
The usta president disagrees. It's her position that much worse is said in the men's game without it being a violation (warning point or otherwise)
Serena has a history of doing this. In 2009 she verbally attacked the umpire when she lost to Kim Clijster and because she was a female umpire, she got a £50,000 fine and a warning that if she did that again she wouldn't be allowed to play in the US open. She has and now because it was a male umpire, she gets to call sexism
“They took the game” of course they did. That’s what it in the end leads to. She continued to argue and spit out unacceptable frases to him, what can he do?
Max was so afraid to say she was wrong its so obvious.
No because he is told what to say.
@@mitcho3820 that may be true.
he lost all street cred from his rapping days.
@Gee Gnome Project it was her THIRD VIOLATION. He didnt take the point away off top.
@Gee Gnome Project she was way more wrong. Those guys don't slander the ump and they don't get three code violations.. She did both those things.
3:07 he's basically saying rules must be overlooked for vetrans like LeBron or Serena that's BS
I'm his opinion. If it's a small thing like calling him a "thief" he could give her another chance. Not only for her but also for her opponent. Osaka has played a stunning game up to that point and she would have won anyway probably and this way it would have been a much greater victory. Now she has to be ashamed basically.
And it's not about that veterans should be treated better but it's about not destroying an important game with millions of people watching.
I think osaka, if asked, would have let it go herself.
@@jx4219 i agree with you but still serena started it. Look she was getting coached she shouldn't have reacted that much and acted like she was a saint she should have stayed calm but i guess she couldn't control her emotions as she was getting frustrated, Hence Serena Williams unknowingly took away Osakas greatest moment.
Abhishek Baba shut the fuck up it happened to steph curry when he threw his mouth piece
@@datboyrell2849 and so fucking what? Are you saying what she did is excused because someone else did something worst?
It’s not veterans he’s talking about, it’s stars. Superstars who transcend the game. And even though I don’t agree with his overall opinion, he’s right in that regard. At the end of the day, sports is entertainment. People pay to see the biggest stars in the biggest moments, not the officials.
We get it, Max, you're "woke", but not everything is about race, sex, etc. She clearly disrespected Ramos, and Osaka, a young player who will never get this time back. Congrats to Osaka.
Lol
Ray Ray 🤦🏾♂️😂😂
Ray Ray most of these “woke” folks need to take their ass back to sleep. They sound so self-righteous, pretentious, and whiny.
How the fuck is he woke just because he recognizes sexism? Trust me,hes not TRULY WOKE!! People throw that woke shit around when they have no God damn clue what being woke really is!!GTFOH
Serena is like Connors and McEnroe back in the day and more recent times, Andy Roddick. Entitled brats. It's always the Americans.
Max is wrong here. Ref did his job. He would have been destroyed if he didn’t. Thank god he wasn’t intimidated by the moment and did his job
Ref should have been fired!
@@4HBirtcher for adhering to the rules and being consistent amongst both genders?
@@Vasilik6 How he refereed that tennis match and what he was doing to Serena is harassment/bullying!
Even though what Serena did during the match was wrong still don't give the referee refers to the chair umpire the right to harass or bullying Serena!
@@4HBirtcher are you delusional? He just...didn't. He did his job and he did it correctly, and he treated her the same way he would a man. He was actually pretty calm. AND Serena has a tendency of throwing tantrums when she's losing important matches, you know why that's a violation of the rules? Not JUST because it's disrespecting the referee but ALSO because it can completely throw off the opponent's rhythm and how they're playing. Serena's behaviour was disgraceful and she deserved to lose, was outplayed by Naomi AND behaved like a child.
@@4HBirtcher bullying? Lol he was doing his job!
Ramos is at fault here? Oh please. Give your head a shake. Osaka played a better game. Williams has no one to blame but herself.
Mark Van Laren No one is saying Osaka did not play a better game, its not about that, Serena can,t win them all, after all, she is 37 years old.
This comment is like saying "Ramos is at fault here? Oh please, give you head a shake. The sky is blue" yeah, the sky is blue, everybody knows that, and it has nothing to do with the conversation
Blame you too you bitch
Of course it wasn't his fault. In fact, I think he was very calm and waited until the very last moment. With me she had received the penalty way way before. The ref is like a cop, you can't just call him liar and thief and Sexist..... she is such a loser....
Elwilton Eligon...Did you not listen to what the first commentator was saying? This is not a Ramos issue this is a Serena problem. That's the conversation.
The 1st guy is absolutely deluded!!!!
First guy..all I heard was yelling....second guy that spoke, more professional.
He's a Moron !
He is a certified asshole
Lol @ “first guy and second guy”
You don’t know who Stephen A and Kellerman? Lmao you probably ended up here just looking for “Poor Serena” material.
@@scottdenja6896 the ump wasn't wrong. The top umpires in the tennis fraternity have said it was totally within his rights to make those calls.
The first guy is like "Oh yeah, Serena was discriminated against" and then Stephen A. points to multiple specific instances where the umpire did the same thing to men. Stephen A. used facts to back up his argument. The first guy did not.
Sha_Facetime Boo I don't know the history of the other matches, but I can guess the umpire probably didn't take a game away from other players because they knew to stop complaining after a point was taken away.
Exactly ,, after the second violation , she just kept on and on and on.. you you owe me an apology etc etc you will never be on any of my matches as long as you live ,, Carlos kept quiet and then before she stood up you're a thief lol and that was it game penalty. Maybe it was a bit too much but damn she just wouldn't keep quiet and for sure it had to do with the fact that Naomi was outplaying her
Serena's argument was men say worse than "you're a thief" and don't get penalized for it. Stephen A's stats don't address that specific point. She never said they don't call penalties on men.
Serena is a GOAT. She even managed to get the spotlight off Osaka even if she lost.
Serena is the Greatest Of All Toddlers.
LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope somehow this comment gets shown to Max and Molly.
1 violation = a warning from the umpire.
2 violations = a point deduction.
3 violations = a game deduction.
That is NOT hard to understand at all.
....they only understand "can't be saved by the bell".
You cannot be a professional victim if you are following the rules. haaaaa.....
but she is a black woman! So the rules dont apply to her! So there!
Anonymous , thanks for clarifying that for all these idiots that just can’t seem to get a clue👍🏼❗️
Anonymous j
Why do people always talk about Mc Enroe and Connors getting mad and insulting the umpire and breaking racquets ? They did, but they were either fined or disqualified or both ! So why wouldn't Serena get penalties ?
Bruno Slam Because the guy LIED and he knows it Y'all know VDAM well she didn't cheat and that you lady know DAM WELL WHAT HAPPENED, she know she didn't cheat and she know she didn't win that GAME FAIR
Because those people, like Max, are morons arguing on emotion and not facts lol
NO THEY DIDN'T GET FINED OR DISQUALIFIED IN BIG MATCHE! FOH
www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Serena_Williams/60311/john-mcenroe-defends-serena-williams-i-have-said-far-worse-/
That makes no sense. I think Serena is phenomenal, but I don't think she can do no wrong. The ref never lied. He gave her a warning on coaching, which her coach later admitted to doing. It's a shit rule, but it is a rule. Lot's of players have gotten that warning in a game, even Serena has gotten it before. But a warning didn't cost her anything. Her opponent was winning at that point, then Serena rallied, then her opponent beat her back again. Then Serena let her frustration take control and smashed her racket (which she's also done before). That's what cost her a point. She took her head outta the game and let her emotion take control instead of focusing on the game, then started in on the ref again. That's what cost her a game. The ref followed the rules to the letter. Problem is Osaka, her opponent, was playing great the whole game. If this was really sexism I'd be yelling with you, but it just wasn't. I may think that first warning was a crappy thing to do in a championship game, but it didn't cost her anything. Her later actions did. She basically lost the game for herself. I hope she comes back next year and does well, but if she acts the same way another ref will just fine her for the same things. She's been fined before, it didn't normally affect the outcome this much because frankly she was playing better those games and had scored higher.
Serena is a great Tennis player but you can't just pull the victim card at every opportunity. You got outplayed...own up to it.
Bio
Steriods-Serena is a sore loser.
Lmao guess you hate the truth. She's a sore loser.
Why won't anyone just say it, serena was just exerting her black privilege. Apparently she's worth 180 million dollars, guess it's true what they say, money can't buy class.
And Sergio please stop or at least make it funny eh?
Who is here after their match in AO 2021???
Btw:
Molly is feminist
Max wants to keep his job
SAS is the one who is real
I feel sorry for naomi osaka.
Osaka will be just fine.
why? she won lol
@@82_derek44 but the crowd didn't treat it that way, they cheered for Serena and booed at Naomi
@@82_derek44 if you look up any articles about the match you'll find the first thing that comes up is all focused on Serena and not Naomi's victory.
Why are you feeling sorry for Osaka, she’s crying all the way to the bank
To fly immediately to sexism or race is pure weak sauce when this guy has totally proven to be consistent on his treatment of all players men and women.
This is literally the problem. People just need to forget about all of this and focus on Naomi Osaka who ACTUALLY WON
Poor girl had the greatest moment of her carreer stolen from her. She even apologized for winning, that was hard to watch.
@@theviniso Yeah it was very hard to watch, and on top of it, Serena telling the crowd "We will get through this" right in front of Osaka smh
I would never have heard who won the tournament if Serena hadn't have done what she's done. I haven't heard who's won 90%+of these tournaments in past years..but because of Serena's meltdown, I now know Osaka won. Osaka is getting way more coverage than if this have been a normal match without drama.
@@RageDaug Bruh You for real? Lol
+ malcolm willie, Yes. I rarely watch tennis and couldn't tell you who won any of the other tournaments this year, mens or womens.
People who think that Serena was right, either haven't watched enough tennis or just support her because of her ethnicity. They don't support her either as a player.
She may have done the third infraction on purpose so she would have an excuse because she was losing. She also seems to really enjoy playing the victim card.
Playing victims like the Right Wing Republicans you mean ?????
She could have been given 6 wins instead of 1 loss and she still wouldn't have won that final.
@@mizzurid please, please, please go into detail with that comment. I have a strange feeling you have NOTHING to back that statement.
Right Wing Republicans got nothing to do with Serana Williams messing up. You're just making petty insults at commentors like the infantile spastic you are when it comes to Politics in general.
@@mizzurid dumbass the left are kangz of oppression olympics.
Complete ignorance from Max and Molly. Their biggest gripe at the end of the debate is that Serena had a game penalty, they felt a point penalty would have been fair. That's not how tennis works. 1 code violation is a warning, 2 code violations is a point penalty, 3 code violations is a game penalty. The penalty gets worse for repetitive breaking of the rules as it should. Carlos Ramos couldn't give a point penalty for verbal abuse by Serena, the rules stipulate the penalty not the umpire.
And it used to be a default when you get a third code violation. McEnroe lost a match he was winning because of 3 code violations.
What about make tennis players who take off their shirts which is a violation but dont get penalties assessed
Looking at the final score, Serena had no chance of winning. I think she did this as a way of blaming someone else for her lost and a chance for next years' redemption blah blah blah insert Nike commercial here.
Yeah it takes away some of their credibility on this topic arguing that when the rules are right there. They didnt actually prepare anything for their argument for serena beside the emotional "But shes the GOAT" thing.
Serena has a history of melting down when she loses errrrr getting her ass kicked.
These people are questioning the integrity of Ramos. Ramos. One of the most successful umpires ever who has never breen brought under question for sexism or racism. Grow up Serena.
But Serena's integrity was being questioned, as well.
I do not like Serena's meltdown. I do not like that Serena used the sexism thing. BUT I do understand her being upset for being called a cheater and a liar. THAT'S the problem I have. If she had kept her argument THERE, I wouldn't have had a problem with her so much. I loved John McEnroe BECAUSE of his meltdowns (which is surprising because I tend to turn my nose up and such behavior), but it was just something about him that intrigued me. That's not to say that I'm not in agreement that there should be punishment for the bad behavior.
But again, DO NOT CALL ME A LIAR OR A CHEATER! I'm neither of those things and I would have to really find the strength to not come undone if you accuse me of lying and cheating.
I also don't like that Serena's antics overshadowed Osaka's victory.
No. She was penalized cuz her coaches in the box WERE cheating by sending her signals. Nobody questioned HER integrity, but her box is an extension of her. She got two warnings for that, then a point bc of the racket smash, then a game bc of berating and trying to intimidate the ref. She knows all of these rules and felt above them.
She is hard to root for, which sux bc she is the best American female athlete of all time.
Lolita Brown Serena was NOT called a liar or a cheat(er). It was Serena who accused Carlos Ramos of saying that she is a liar and a cheat(er)! The umpire simply stated that coaching was taking place between Serena and her coach. Her coach has admitted it. If you look closely at the video of her coach coaching her, he gives her hand signals, and then gives her an „OK, understood ?“ nod. Clearly they were in visual contact with each other, and signals were given. So, 1) Illegal coaching DID take place and 2) Nobody called Serena liar or a cheat, those were HER words.
it's blatant stupidity lead by emotion and making judgement calls based on a book cover
That umpire had a exemplary behaviour, given the situation.
Max Kellerman‘s opening statement is a disgrace.
Who is this POS, milk toast, white boy, liberal ESPN commentator on this panel? This is the direction ESPN has taken in the last few years and why I don't watch ESPN anymore. He probably gives his kids participation awards and doesn't allow score keeping at the games. EDIT: I finished watching and Steven put it in his face. If that fellow commentator in this conversation is what ESPN stands for, this company has gone even further over the edge than I previously thought. THE RULES DON'T MATTER IF THE MOMENT IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH??????? Give me a break!!!! I stand by my earlier comment - he is a weak POS, liberal turd of no moral character.
Riddikulus shut the fuck up same thing when curry threw his mouth piece and stayed in the game
Kellerman isn't white, he's a Jew.
Serena’s self entitlement was just disgusting. She should be ashamed of herself.
EXACTLY OMG CRINGE AF
She was acting like an entitled princess 👸 "where is my apology. "
@@MrBjorn6 Serena knew she wouldn't win the match so she created a big Controversy to take away the stage from Osaka.
Christian arce I agree
If she was smart if she was REALLY smart she would have looked across the court and saw herself the a good golden chance to mentor her/herself in a new fashion just like her father did to her.. missed opportunity right there...DIM SUM you win and DIM SIM you lose
The guy enforcing the rules didn't take anything away from the winner. The WHINER took everything away from the winner. Max is so annoying.
@Ali Polaris Lmao, butthurt much?
@Ali Polaris you are an idiot.
Took everything away from osakas moment!
Ali Polaris austaralia just gonna put that there Osaka won
Ali Polaris Australia Osaka won there
Williams knew she was losing and had a tantrum... end of story. She would have lost anyway.
Since no one ain’t saying it on TV or in the comment section..... *CONGRATULATIONS NAOMI OSAKA! 👏👏🏆🎾*
Fck her!
Santana H. What did she do to warrant that?
Santana H. Fuck you and serena, you bitch.
Who?
Excellent,. Excellent
Stealing the thunder from the better player and claiming it was because of racism and sexism. Serena Williams looking to break into the SJW circuit! I feel awful for Osaka and wish people would pay attention to her achievement.
Osaka had her historic win in her profession and is the first Japanese player to win a Grand Slam and no one seems to care. Overshadowed by a seasoned pro throwing a tantrum, and not her first one either Serena is (through action and inaction) a bully, leaving Osaka crying and apologizing when she should be celebrating. It is honestly sickening.
Why does everyone keep calling her japanese? She's black
I bet you wouldn't call obama a white guy.
Emmanuel Styles+ She was born in Chūō-ku, Osaka, that's in Japan she is Japanese get over it.
@@The13thPhantom I see you don't OVERSTAND genetics. If you are born of a NUBIAN, you are NUBIAN.
Agreed! I hope Osaka wont give in neither, because now apparently you being better at something than somebody who's associated with these crybaby Leftists/SJWs is a problem. Naomi Osaka or the umpire was not at fault, but she gets booed for winning, because she played fair and the media coddles Serena. smh
I agree with SAS and I go even further, the Umpire was brilliant. He is strict, one of the few that doenst back down if you re Nadal Federer or Serena... He followed the rules as an Umpire, he is not Serena psychologist. If Serena has already 2 warnings and starts calling him a thief, liar and a sexist, that's on her for being irractional. Bravo Carlos Ramos, Orgulho
Unfortunately there was only one star playing and the ref had to step up... th-cam.com/video/0xpHLRrGoD0/w-d-xo.html here are a few examples of tennis umpiring
Serena was pestering the ump for a LONG time. When the guys do it its usually 1-5 seconds and its done. But like every women has to cry about it and complain about it and pester the ump. She deserved what she got.
'Serena Williams was wrong.' Thank you, Stephen, for stepping up to the TRUTH of the moment. #realtalk
rhomo you bitch
They feel bad for Osaka for not getting enough credit yet they continue to go on about Serena...
Because the issue caused by Serena are bigger talking points... yes Osaka should have been given more credit but Serena's selfishness has made this impossible.
I completely understand but the media needs to quit talking about it way too much because in reality of things, Osaka played a better match. Yes Serena had the ability to come back but we will never know, only thing's for sure is that Osaka beat Serena and it was well deserved title for Osaka. They should just mention that a little bit more.
@@dantiongson3014 it is a shocking victory
They can’t talk about her cuz the umpire didn’t allow her to win with points (which I think she was going to do).
@@Danwura how ?
0:15
He took it away?
No, SERENA took it away
@sara lincoln wrong. He's won awards and kudos
Exactly
3:50 "When Serena Williams brought the issue of gender and sexism into the argument, that's where she lost."
Says the man who brings the issue of race into nearly every controversy.
There is a double standard here and its the double standard of fame and power. If Osaka had behaved the way Serena had no one would have defended her and she would have been blamed for ruining Serena's victory. Serena Williams threatened to end the referee's career when she said "you'll never ref again.". This is a woman with a net worth of over $180 million dollars who has advertising contracts with companies worth tens of billions and who is very important to the sport of tennis throwing a temper tantrum then threatening to use her power, wealth and influence to destroy the career of an official before crying like a petulant child and playing the sexism card to cover for her bad behavior. No other sport would tolerate that sort of disrespect of an official and tennis should not be an exception simply because it has tolerated bad sportsmanship in the past.
Just seen clips of this Serena drama and bits and pieces here and there but if she really did say "you'll never ref again", that's downright scum. I lose all respect for people who trod that low.
Matt Ross Beautifully stated.
absolutely Matt! Hear, hear
while sexism in tennis might somewhat maybe exist, it wasn't in this match because the umpire enforced punishments on male tennis players as well, so the filthy feminist serena who was losing the match decided to firstly lie in saying she wasn't being taught, secondly claim that the umpire was being sexist, in no way in hell was he, and thirdly, how tf u gonna break your racket and call him a liar bitch! agreed, if this happened to osaka or any less important tennis player, noone would support them, but these blind serena supporters would support her murdering the ref because of ''sexism''
Good point.
Its like getting a speeding ticket. Yea people drive over speed limit all the time but u can't blame a police officer for giving you a ticket when u get caught. Just cuz others get away with it doesnt mean its not agianst the rule
But it's still incredibly annoying and questionable when a cop gives a speeding ticket for driving 1 mph above the limit.
Comethawk yeah I think it’s like $29 dollars for going over 1
he gives you a ticket when u 1st deny it..then call him a liar..and then ask him for a apology..ur lucky if he doesnt drag ur ass out of the car and books you.
Annoying? Yes! Questionable? Hell no! The cop is just doing his job.
EXACTLY! It's a logic I don't follow "everyone is getting away with it"
Steven A is right! No sexism no BS! She was losing! She lost her composure and her sportsmanship! Shame!
Serena screwed up by thinking the coaching violation was not going to earn her a warning , when she broke the racket she thought THAT was going to be the warning she did it on purpose maliciously she deserved the game point that unstable egotistical bitch.
Max kellerman the guy that said hockey isn’t a real sport
White dude acting like it’s the referees fault 😂😂 what an air head
He isn't white, he's a Jew.
Fade - white guilt
@@rogerlost5851 Jewish people have white skin.
Fade if he did not agree you would call the white guy a racist. He has a name asshole.
Actually it's because of the show. Max isn't the star so he has to argue for the most ridiculous positions while SAS gets the popular/better takes.
What? Serena's coach BROKE THE RULES. He admitted to it. And breaking a racket IS A CLEAR INFRACTION. The umpire had no discretion with that call. That is a clear point deduction. And then Serena verbally attacked the umpire. Sorry, but whether or not the first warning call for coaching was fair, Serena subsequently lost her shit and allowed her meltdown to take over the match. Serena received a warning for the coaching incident, and then a couple games later she KEPT GOING AFTER the umpire. Serena broke clearly defined rules in every one of the 3 instances. And she claims that she isn't a liar, but her coach openly admitted that he was coaching her, so when she says that they have "never even worked on hand signals"...I mean come on, that's a lie. Is there sexism in tennis? YES. Are rules not always equally applied b/t the genders? Sure. But at least 2 of the 3 calls against Serena were totally fair, and she allowed her meltdown to lose her the match (which she was already handily doing before any of this happened) and lesson the achievement of Naomi. And also, how classless was the crowd?? Booing during the ceremony for a 20 y/o grand slam champion who's the first Japanese woman to win a GS title? How trashy can you get?
Evidently you haven't watch Serena play she is notorious for loosing 1st set. Rallying back in the 2nd and winning the 3rd. Once she let this ump get in her head it was a rap. In addition she was upset at herself because she knew she wasn't playing well. Osaka played well period.
PG 89 No sport allows players to verbally attack officials. In most sports that’s grounds for being ejected from the game. Serena is a great competitor, but she acts like an entitled petulant child sometimes.
You don't follow tennis and you missed the point of the whole thing. Good job.
The wta supported sarena too so I think they know a little more than you.
PG 89 Have you realized that men and OTHER WOMEN, have THREW THE RACKET AT THE OPPONENT?
First Haitian Japanese 👌🏾 get it right
Feminism 101: act all manly and when you don't get your way start crying, say things unfair, and blame men for what they've done
Yup
well "she" is a man though
bang on
@@rafailbaldal6062
ow ow....
you said the m-word ~ lol
🤣🤣true
The amount of Emotional Trauma she caused Naomi Osaka will something she will never be forgiven.
I'm so glad Stephen A said it because it's 100% true. Ramos is a hardcore, emotional umpire. But he is for *everyone*. He isn't just hard on women, but every player that enters his court. So sportsmen and sportswomen *should* be able to hold their composure and be good, wait for it, sportsmen and sportswomen. To try and make this about gender is a disservice to her opponent, the sport of tennis, and the movement for equality as a whole. This was simply a bad match that Serena lost because she couldn't maintain her composure when it mattered most. And instead of giving Osaka credit for the win, we're all here debating whether or not Ramos' actions were sexist. Spoiler: they weren't.
Daddy_Daughter. I totally agree
He's 100% wrong. I'm an avid tennis watcher, not you racists that never watch tennis but only come to attack Serena. When Steven A smith says "Code Violation" regarding what the men were given, those were WARNINGS! not actually point deductions
@@debussy84 exactly fake ass tennis watchers they don't know shit about tennis
The white dude is virtue signalling SOOOOO hard! Of course, he's wrong. 100%. The umpire wasn't overseeing all other games being played in the history of tennis or sport in general. He was overseeing this game & he was correct to penalise her for he coaches actions (he admitted he was breaking the rules), he was right to penalise her for smashing her racquet, and he was right to penalise her for the abusive comments that she was laying on him in sustained & very personal manner. To call someone a thief & question whether they are a sexist is not the same as disputing their decision. If blind eyes are turned to men's behaviour in other games then that may be something to deal with, but you cannot fault the umpire for upholding the rules.
Kellerman is Mr. Virtue signal.
Totally agree
"Virtue signaler"is what people like you call being thoughtful.
To make it even funnier, Stephen proves that this umpire applies the same rules to both men and women. Some other umpires may not do that but Carlos has integrity as a strict but fair umpire.
Dustin. Is he really being thoughtful or is he playing it safe and saying exactly what the PC crowd want him to say? If he agrees with the trumped-up claims of sexism/racism then he is safe from the outrage posse, whether he believes what he's saying or not. I've no doubt that Williams has had to struggle to get to where she is and has faced issues of discrimination. Fair play to her, she's overcome all that and reached the top of her profession (& made many, many millions along the way), but people are commenting about this particular incident & in my opinion her behaviour was deplorable & not an example I would want my daughters to follow. The poor girl who won the match should have been on cloud 9 but Williams entitled attitude ruined that for her.
"But were they cost a game...?" And herein lies the problem. Djokovic, Nadal and others weren't cost a game when they tangled with Ramos, because they weren't stupid enough to continue pushing their luck after a code violation and point penalty was assessed. Cry 'sexism' all you want, but the bottom line here is that Serena believed herself to be above the rules, and she paid the price for that arrogance.
There are men in tennis who have gotten so mad they've yelled, screamed, and taken their shirt off. There is no doubt a double standard.
Serena is a childish hypocrite: she wants to be treated the 'same' without being treated the 'same', aka play against Men.
IF she is against sexism, fight against gender discrimination of the players: genderless classes.
I played tennis competitively just telling you it was her 3rd violation she should be happy she lost a game , if it was a average rank player in the earlier rounds the 3rd violations would immediate forfeit loss, Nicolas mass lost like that before in other U.S. open.
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No shit. They get the violation then move on. Serena kept at it the rest of the WHOLE match. At least McEnroe didn't bullshit and try and act as the victim. You must be new to tennis if you think that was why it's different lol. 'Double standard' legit Stephen A states examples that are worse than Serena's was with Nadal and Djokovic that was just as recent and you still cry double standard. Of course people like you completely ignore the video and come quick to defend xd.
Serena flipped out. No big deal. Heat of battle. Chair umpire was correct. Great drama. Great TV. Memorable moment. Move on. But is Serena the GOAT? Total tournaments won (singles only): Martina Navritilova: 167 Chris Evert: 157 Steffi Graf (who quit at age 30...Serena is 39): 107 Margaret Court (who was 28 when the Open era began, yet still won:) 92 (100 more in the amateur era) Serena:73. Winning percentage for career: Margaret Court: 91.5% Chris Evert: 90% Steffi: 88.7% Martina: 86.8% Serena: 85.2% Total matches won: Martina: 1442 Chris: 1309 Margaret: 1177 (Including amateur era) Steffi: 900 Serena: 843 Grand Slam finals: Serena is last on the list. Grand slam semifinals, Serena is last on the list . Early exits at grand Slams: Serena is first on the list. Serena WON more slams, except for Margaret, but Chris and Martina did not play the Australian Open 8 times when the two dominated the tour because it was not considered that prestigious at the time, and it did not pay enough. Chris also missed the French Open three times in her absolute prime, when she lost on clay only once in 175 matches, because the WTA final was considered more important. Martina also missed it several times. Steffi, who retired 8 years younger than Serena is now, has only one fewer slam title. So it's hard for me to see why Serena is considered the inarguable GOAT. Weeks at number one: Steffi: 377 Martina: 332 Serena: 319 Chris:260 Margaret, was the unquestioned number one for 12 straight years, except for time taken off to have a baby, and one year when she first married. Something like 500 weeks.....
Congratulations Naomi Osaka! She won fair and square.
If you are a true competetor you wanna win by overcoming the challenge,by testing yourself,if its by any other means it doesnt give you the bliss.Sports figues mentality is on a different level to normal people,normal people should take caution before judging them.You can say well i played sports too,but theres substantial difference in mentality of Winner and runner up,let alone amatures or recreational sports.
I disagree, John McEnroe was given a penalty at the 81 Wimbledon for saying to the umpire "you are the pits of the world". Serena took it further by telling the umpire that he would never be allowed to work at any of her matches (like she controls the umpire for any match) and calling him a thief. Plus, it was her third violation. At the press conference, Serena said she was arguing for women's rights. How does getting coaching signals, breaking a racquet, and berating the officials further women's rights in tennis? She behaved the same way at the 04 and 09 US Open also. The rules are there to protect the integrity of the sport. No single player can ever be greater than the sport.
The men didn't have a game taken away because they knew when to stop. She thinks she owns the court. Enabled by the supportive crowd, who thinks she can do no wrong.
Exactly - it's not what you say it's how you say it - throw all the f bombs you want at me but once you insult my character the narrative changes. The ump handled the berating very well IMO, she blew it when she decided to call him a thief.
Now that Serena knows that her coach was trying to signal her, shouldn't she admonish her coach publicly and apologize to the umpire?
You can take the girl out of Compton, but you can’t take the Compton out of the girl.
Totally agree
It's a disgrace that Serena's petulant behavior is being excused by the race-mongers and gender-mongers out there. Naomi Osaka's genuine achievement - what should be the greatest moment of her life to this point - was ruined by the match attendees, the media, the head of the US Tennis Association, Billy Jean King, and Serena herself. Osaka is black and from Japan, and to be black in Japan is fractionally as difficult as Serena's mad dog defenders imagine being black in America is.
Its a disgrace man stfu. She's allowed to not be perfect!
100% accurate. She needs to retire. I got some dumb stares at work when asked about it. I said she's a disgrace. Plain and simple. I am hated for saying such an outrageous racist statement. SMH. The PC BS is crazy. What Katrina Adams said was pathetic as what BJK. And also, Juan Martin Delpotro and Novak Djokovic. Unbelievable. She has done this numerous times. Look when she played Clijsters. Id she doesn't get her way, she attacks and pulls out any card she can use.
RenShiWu ayy we still got the one drop rule fam?
What lies? I said she was black, as you have noted. And she may live on Long Island, but she was born in Osaka, Japan, according to the Japan Tennis Association website. Her birth place is probably the reason why she goes by "Osaka" and not some French name, which is what you might expect with a Haitian father.
What i learnt from Serena Williams: Enforcing rules is sexist. Women should be allowed to break rules.
🌟Equality,🌟
Thank you, Stephen A. for your honesty as well as for presenting the chair umpire's record of consistent hard-core calls for both men and women. You are too right. Serena Williams, just.... pfffft.
What do you mean with hardcore calls? Calling an umpire stupid what Murray did once, a thief or a liar what Serena did,the use of the f...word what many players did is simply verbal abuse u get penalized for.What is hardcore about that?Hardcore for me are the verbal attacks of Serena and many other also male players like Murray,Roddick,Nole and yes even Fed sometimes.Ever thought about that? Insulting the umpire is ok for you?
These are not simply harmless common outbursts which you could just overhear.I respect Ramos a lot.He follows the rules never saw him going over the line and to my memory was never incorrect.
Some other umpires are much to tolerant and players often impose on the umpires 'kindness'.
I totally agree with you except the 'hardcore' thing
I'm not certain, but it would seem that you and I have a different understanding of what 'hardcore', (as used in both the television exchange and as I used the word in my comment), literally means...as per 'dictionary' understanding. As to that, HARDCORE, as a noun, is defined by words of this sort: uncompromising, rigid, long-standing, unyielding...
The chair-umpire's record, as well as his reputation, are known and established 'fact' in this arena. So--I believe I'll choose to stand by that particular descriptive, if you don't mind. When it comes to knowing and enforcing the rules, this chair umpire is hardcore about this, just as he should be, in MY book.
100% agree with you Linda. Also if people think that the rules are too strict they need to take that up with the appropriate tennis associations. As an umpire carlos just did his job. Honestly if Serena really had a problem with inconsistency she should have called out the umpires that were supposedly more lenient towards men.
If Serena was standing up for women, then why did she threatened to harm a female line judge who called a foot fault on her? Did you forget about that incident?? Cameras confirmed it was a correct call and witnesses there confirmed that the threat was made by Serena.
jjcs1381 please do ur research all of this is so untrue
The double standard is strong.
@@jeremyadames6588 Hahaha yeah its true look at the videos on youtube. She threatened to shove a tennis ball down the line judge throat.
She wouldn't have been disqualified from the match if it wasn't true.
Jeremy Adames
Check out the 2009 US open semi-finals against Clijster. Serena was also fined for her actions. Later Serena apologized for her behavior and offered to give the line judge a hug. Reported by ESPN.
she threatened to kill her
Osaka did really good! I’m proud of her!
Max is wrong. Mac & Connors always faced repercussions for their unsportsmanlike conduct. McEnroe was disqualified from Australian Open & Davis Cup finals.