Stephen A. says Serena Williams was wrong for 2018 US Open controversy | First Take | ESPN
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- Stephen A. Smith says Serena Williams was wrong about the way she approached the chair umpire, adding that when she brought the issue of sexism into the argument, “that’s where she lost.”
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It was disgusting that Osaka was booed at the end. She deserved the win and even without Serena's meltdown Osaka would have won.
Notoriously drunk New Yorkers. Rude af. Ever watch a Yankees/Sox game at Yankee Stadium?
@@brianbarrett192 must be a shit Sox fan if u bringing that up, any chance u guys get huh lmao😂
Quite likely
Heck the ladies speech to Serena at the ceremony. Heck the way she handed the trophy horrible
Serena's meltdown was ONLY because Osaka was going to win straight sets for the second time in a row.
Molly is just a feminist
Max is trying to keep his job
And Stephen a smith is real one
Facts
We still here in 2020😂
Yep*
The most real comment I’ve read 💯 💯 💯
Lol can’t hate on max for tryna provide for his family but Molly’s is an idiot. Gotta love Stephen A tho
“I don’t cheat, I’d rather lose” Serena still managed to do both 😭
And still the greatest😭
@mehrab hossain greatest
@@MichaelJohnson-mj4sn its tennis who gives af😂 and shes juiced to the gills with steroids and doesn't deserve the credit anyways
@mehrab hossain Greatest*
@mehrab hossain Greatest
"Although many men throw their rackets too"
Yeah they also get punished
there's literally a clip of the same ump (carlos ramos) giving Djokovic a warning for bouncing his racket off the court. There was no damage done to the racket at all. You cannot claim that he is a sexist.
@@angrychickengod3831 Another funny fact is that Serena is known for throwing tantrums for losing or making a misplay, breaking a lot of racquets in the process and she didn't get that many warnings from those. But like always, people talk as if this was her only match and as if what she said was the absolute truth.
Max is scared of the race card. lmao
Please tell me where I can purchase a race card? How much are they? Can I purchase them in store or online? I really need to know!! I can use it it the next time a Police officer attempts to kill another innocent black person, or the next time a racist white person calls the Police on us for doing nothing, like watering the lawn, going into their home, or simply picking up garbage in the area.
Callie Wooooooosh
Callie ... You just used it.
Callie Bruh, that only happens to black men. You are a black female. Stop saying “we”
@@Calandr28 You already have one from the looks of it
Funny how everybody who actually are knowledgeable in tennis agree with the official
And everyone who supports modern feminism goes with Serena
Because people who are knowledgeable in tennis know the rules. Serena broke the rules. Simple as that.
But the game was a little too much , every player does that , she’s the only that’s been penalized for it
In a finals*
Ricardo Rovira not true on both fronts. And again, that’s the rules.
The umpire stole Osaka's moment ? Serena did ! Serena is the worst sore loser, we all know that.
it has been a while since this happened, still this commen is spot on
Years later. This is still true. Serena's hissy fit took away the moment, the ump was just doing his job
Thank you, that is exactly what I wanted to express. Serina made it all about herself.
I have no respect for Serena, I'm tired of seeing her ads.. i'm tired of seeing her period. Shes a pos 'feminist' cause shes not a real feminist.
"As a black man, I am..." ... again, race & gender are being brought up when neither is necessary. I'm getting so sick of this black/white, men/women, etc. Why can't we just be human? Period!!
Jammer Jen I think for what he was saying it’s valid though, he was saying because of all the things black tennis players go thru, he was extremely proud of her
Because there is a difference in Being Black and white, stupid leftist for always trying to deny that
Africans do not generally think of themselves in racial terms because all of their neighboring countries are black, everyone in the country is black, everyone has a tribal connection and a known history and everyone looks alike.
As someone presumably smart enough to hold down a job and pass high school, think about why Black Americans would hold closer to a racial identity than Africans.
I agree with you about race for this conversation: irrelevant. But gender is being discussed here because Serena went there with Ramos, the umpire. Serena claimed that she was standing up for women tennis players everywhere, and Steven A is calling BS because Ramos has given men the exact same penalties for those same rule violations. I think the sexism card just popped into Serena's head and she went with it. If she were calmer and had it to do over again, I'd like to think she'd realize how foolish that was.
Qichar I get what u mean 100% but the comment I replied to said ‘ why bring race into this ‘. I just simply told him/her why Steven A brought it up
The first thing Serena said was I would never cheat, I am a mother. To this day I don't know the connection.
Welcome to modern day feminism where you wake up in the morning, throw logic out the window and go then on about your day.
Because she takes motherhood seriously, unlike the one who raised you .
You will never understand that because chlorophyll makes the leaves look green.
Serena sounds like a lunatic, period.
@@MoReal2 I take WWII seriously but I still wouldn't bring it up.
This max dude doesn’t know a damn thing about tennis does he?
Nope...
AColonDashSix lol, he thinks Serena is the best Tennis Player, he has no logic of Tennis.
at least McEnroe was able to take those penalties like a man
Hes just a poor white guy trying to keep his job.
@@fireballdude7368 I mean... she kinda is
Even two years later, Serena's sly determination to win --using her tantrums to disrupt Naomi's concentration. with a disorderly mob cheering for her, was a baptism by fire for a 20 year old champion. What a disgrace Serena is.
You here from espn story shown today
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What ya'll expec.... She from dah compton hood and ya can't take dat out
Your mum is a dosgrace
Watch how many penalties Nick Kyrgios gets and you realize that this isn't sexism
Carlos Ramos took the moment from Naomi? Please! It was Serena’s poor sportswomanship that did it. Even the black commentator acknowledges it!!
sara lincoln no, it wasn’t, all due respect Sara. You would have stated a strong case, it if wasn’t for the undeniable fact that this has been a systematic behaviour from Serena’s behalf when she has found herself against the ropes during a defining moment in a decisive US Open match. This was the third time in Serena’s U.S. Open career that she’s been losing a match late in the tournament and melted down in bizarre fashion, the previous ones being her 2009 SF against Clijsters, and the 2011 F against Stosur. Carlos Ramos wasn’t the chair umpire on those, and yet, the same exact thing occurred. Each time, it resulted in eventual defeat. Each time, it made her look like a sore loser and an entitled person. Each time, willingly or unwillingly, she eclipsed the feat of her opponents, who bested her fair and square. And each time, the race card, the misogyny card, the persecution card was used. There is no doubt that the tennis world did treat Venus and Serena with contempt and disdain, but that doesn’t justify Serena’s demeanour in all of the mentioned incidents.
sara lincoln bizarre fashion as in an odd manner or way. Nothing to do with wardrobe. In your mind, Serena’s behaviour was justified, and that is your opinion. I beg to differ, and let us agree to disagree.
@sara lincoln show us the receipts (and by receipts i mean confirmed links not your word)
Exactly!
Christian arce indeed
I cant believe these people are justifying that disgraceful act of her.
this is why I hate SJWs. They're blind by their stupidity and ignorance.
You are a disgrace
@@naigh-naighwhy222 stupid ass kisser.
Didn't Stephen A Smith point out Serena Williams was wrong? So, why did you say "these people" are justifying her disgraceful act?
Her first punishment was just a warning. It was totally her fault for smashing her racket and calling names that resulted in a lost point and then game
Thank you, Stephen A, for telling it like it is. I love tennis and have the greatest respect for Serena as the greatest female player of all time, but she crossed a few lines here, and, worse, showed no respect for her worthy opponent Naomi Osaka.
The greatest player of all time is Steph Graph, and no room for debate. The only one we would possibly be discussing would be Monica Seles, but we know what stopped it.
Serena knew that she's losing the match... she intentionally made a scene for Osaka to probably change her rhythm and mood... but it's definitely Osaka's moment to shine! Go Osaka my new Tennis Inspiration 😍💪🎾
she did the same thing with Clusters. There is a pattern that when she is about to lose, she will create a scene
Osaka mopped the court with Serena. And Serena was clearly frustrated and angry about it. But I don't believe her extended antics and verbal abuse of the ump were a plan. She clearly lost control of her emotions, and her behavior showed this. She was not acting.
@@brianbarrett192 Cause that woman is full of herself, shes pathetic. Serena is who I mean btw Osaka just seems like someone genuine who loves the sport and was playing against their idol.. I bet she isn't anymore.
Edit - Eat me ESPN
Tennis: *Has rules*
Serena: *Breaks rules*
Umpire: *Enforces rules*
Dumbasses: “Why did he enforce the rules”
Because gender unhhnn😕
@@divyanshukumar2243 doesn't matter
Amen
@@pavlostsitsipas9579 but ... nvm you're too dumb
@sara lincoln Not that I think it changes much in this particular case, but where do I find these statistics?
She didn't just say "thief" lol
She harassed him for like 5 minutes straight.
Such behavior needs to be reprimanded.
Dom serena used the
*race card*
*mother card*
*gender card*
yeah, she said he was 'unattractive inside'.. oh wait. No, she said she'd shove a ball down his throat...oh, uh.. wait...I'm getting my rants mixed up - there are just so many!
It’s funny that they never brought that up. The ref literally looked away 15 times when Serena was yelling apologize right now.
Totally agree
@@Centre14 ikr
''She's probabily right'' - Gotta say, great journalism right there.
That same umpire (Carlos Ramos) has penalized men for far less than couching all his career. She was only a entitled child and Ramos called her out for it.
anyone who knows anything about tennis knows that Serena was wrong here. I agree, males have said a lot worse and have only been penalized a point instead of a game. BUT, Serena KNEW she already had two previous code violations and therefore her next violation would be a game penalty. I agree, both men and women have said worse but not on the brink of a third offense. I would also like to say that Serena went on and on and on. She did not only call him a "liar" and a "thief," she went on and on and on demanding an apology from the official. this was not sexism. this was not racism. this was Serena Williams being a sore loser.
Max, please shut up.
- Everybody else on earth
You too
TysonDoesStuff thanks that sums it up simply, first his Tiger Woods BS then this, does this guy actually watch the shit he comments on.
I will never trust that dew on anything now, even in boxing
Max, your an idiot!.. The "Ref/Judge" ruined the Win for the her?.. Really?!?.. It was Serena's fault the Win was ruined!.. Screaming and throwing a tantrum like a spoiled Brat... She ruined it!
Except the far left libtards that have absolutely no logic and have to view every black and female as victims.
Serena was 100% wrong. I love her, but a complete lack of class. Molly needs to be quiet.
this incident no doubt tarnished her legacy. i mean what parent would want their daughter to have such as sore loser as a role model ?
They have short memories or don’t watch tennis she always behaves like Th is us open 2009 she threatened to shove a ball down a line judges throat she’s a pathetic self entitled brat tbh
@@LordCaedus-bl7wi what did she do, didnt she pointed at a ref? I dont find that offensive
@@kleshayer3751 you can't actually be serious.
@@sanasdate3421 nba, football players do way worse this is a case of sexism dude
Stephen a is absolutely right. The same referee has done the same to men. Serena was just comparing herself to other cases where there was a different referee. The ref, although harsh, worked within the rules
“They took the game” of course they did. That’s what it in the end leads to. She continued to argue and spit out unacceptable frases to him, what can he do?
Carlos Ramos was incredibly calm and professional while receiving threats and abuse. Serena began by screaming, demanding an apology, threatening his entire career and ended in tears complaining to his superior while claiming discrimination. Carlos' ruling were upheld and Serena was fined. Carlos deserves an apology plain and simple. A great example to all Portuguese people to how to not be bullied while remaining calm.
spoiled brat, she was perfectly in the wrong there and she had to pull out the gender card to seem reasonable smfh
Serena Williams didn’t lose the US Open final because of what she did with the coaching, the racquet smash and verbal abuse. She lost it because she was outplayed by Naomi Osaka. And let’s stop focusing on this controversy. Let’s give Ms Osaka her dues for outplaying Serena Williams.
Yep. She won fair and square.
I'm like number 69!
Philip Greenaway we will never no
@@ImtiredofUok *Know
Naomi Osaka is (I think) the first Japanese woman to win a grand slam. That first set. Damn, that first set was amazing to watch just to see how good Osaka was.
Max is wrong here. Ref did his job. He would have been destroyed if he didn’t. Thank god he wasn’t intimidated by the moment and did his job
Ref should have been fired!
@@4HBirtcher for adhering to the rules and being consistent amongst both genders?
@@Davechappelle445 How he refereed that tennis match and what he was doing to Serena is harassment/bullying!
Even though what Serena did during the match was wrong still don't give the referee refers to the chair umpire the right to harass or bullying Serena!
@@4HBirtcher are you delusional? He just...didn't. He did his job and he did it correctly, and he treated her the same way he would a man. He was actually pretty calm. AND Serena has a tendency of throwing tantrums when she's losing important matches, you know why that's a violation of the rules? Not JUST because it's disrespecting the referee but ALSO because it can completely throw off the opponent's rhythm and how they're playing. Serena's behaviour was disgraceful and she deserved to lose, was outplayed by Naomi AND behaved like a child.
@@4HBirtcher bullying? Lol he was doing his job!
Max kellerman the guy that said hockey isn’t a real sport
Did he just blame it on the chair umpire? The chair umpire literally did everything 100% within the rules and in his power. SERENA took away Noami's moment. 100% Serena's fault all of it. A white male on TV can't possibly blame a black female publicly even when its so blatantly obvious what Serena did was WRONG.
Max = 100% wrong.
Stephen = 90% right.
Only problem I have with him is calling Serena the GOAT and saying if she were a man she would be the GOAT. I know its a bit semantic, but Serena is the GOAT of Female tennis. Not tennis. Serena can't even beat a #200+ ranked male. She is NOT the GOAT of tennis. There is a HUGE difference in play between men and women in Tennis. Probably more so than any other sport.
Serena hasn't done shit compared to Federer.
Male and Female Tennis are like different sports. You can't compare them
Serena is literally one of the worst tennis players in history when it comes to on court behavior while Federer is literally known for being well behaved. Obviously you don't watch Tennis.
Whilst I agree Female Tennis and Male Tennis are very different, they are still the exact same sport. The actually game is practically the same thing, its just the style and intensity of the sport is far different
@@anubisgod23
Do they use slightly different raquets as well? I'm not sure but I think they might use different raquets (or is it balls)?
The racket** (not raquet) is the individual's choice. I imagine the females would PROBABLY tend to chose lighter ones, while men are probably more inclined to chose heavier ones. That being said, when I played I chose a lighter racket with a firm net for more power and less spin. So it is quite possibly purely up to the individual
At the top level, ATP tours, men's tennis balls, I believe, are made slightly differently. I am not exactly certain on how they do this, but womens tennis balls go faster and glide in the air more. Men's tennis balls fluff up easier and tend to be slower. Yet they are the same size and weight, so how they accomplish this difference I am not sure. I think its to allow females like Serena to be able to serve at similar speeds to males. You'd have to look up the details on how they created this difference. would be interesting to see
Other than that thay are the exact same. Same rules, same lines, same courts, same rackets, same balls (except above), womens tennis is just shorter (best of 3).
It was her third violation. Her third. Do you know what it says in the rules for your third violation? It costs you a game. So how about we ask the real question that should be asked? At what point is in on Serena to get her act together and act professional? As someone who has played the game for the better part of three DECADES, and has won many opens, she knows the third violation is a game point. She should know that yelling and picking a fight with an umpire is never correct. Serena is the reason why this moment was stolen from Naomi, not the umpire. And an umpire shouldn't look the other way just to make the game tell a better story because now you are talking about match fixing. Rules are there for a reason. When you step onto the court you are agreeing to play by the rules. Serena broke the rules, she got punished. End of story. No wiggle room. None.
As to the anyone trying to lay blame at the feet of the umpire, he sat there for 90 seconds while Serena verbally abused him. The second she started chirping he could have cost her a point but he kept calm and tried to explain the situation to her. I dare anyone who thinks this umpire was in the wrong to sit in a chair, let someone yell at them for 90 seconds and try to remain half as calm and respectful as he was. Damn few of you could have done it with as much grace as he did.
aF Kayzar thank you for mentioning the right question.
Melo Bryant nigga you don’t know nothing bout the ghetto so don’t step on a great girls hustle because she a bit hood shut the fuck up
@Melo Bryant lol while her display was inappropriate, there was nothing "ghetto" about the way she behaved. And what exactly do you consider as "ghetto". Not trying to play the race card but the only thing about her that would typically be associated as "ghetto" is her skin tone. But I'm not going to make accusations of you having a particular mindset...
@@jituscalc3215 Serena Williams is said to earn around £16m in endorsements yearly
Preach
Who is here after their match in AO 2021???
Btw:
Molly is feminist
Max wants to keep his job
SAS is the one who is real
That umpire had a exemplary behaviour, given the situation.
Osaka WAS victimized, but not by the umpire, it's by the actions of Serena. Serena is the one who stole a great moment from Osaka with her SJW temper, and even though she doesn't give a shit, she should be ashamed. Funny enough, I'm writing this from Osaka, Japan.
Sebastien her fuckin initials are SJW 😂
Actually, she does give a shit! That's why she asked the crowd to stop booing, during the award ceremony. Now, I agree that it is Serena's actions that spoiled Naomi's great moment. Serena was wrong and is completely reprehensible. But what transpired between her and the umpire, took place during gameplay. And I'm sure Serena would've expected any reaction from the crowd to take place during the time of the incident, not the award ceremony.
Se
@@TheTmat007 wong ? when the chair umpire penalize coaching that was not the way ????? pffff I just think that you don't like her like some people because of her ski colour, because of her body, because of her wins. Just be honnest, you may have been frustrated when you try to find you serenity to win a game and some authority just sink you and find the right moment to make her loose.
@@danjul974 She has always behaved like this in the US Open. It's not like it was the first time and the umpire put a blemish on her spotless career. Say what you will she was getting killed on the court. Even if she had a good start to the second set Osaka came back quickly and would've won but its a hypothetical. She has abused tournament officials and linesmen before don't call it discrimination.
3:39 Huge respect for Stephen A. to stand up and speak what’s right, not what the public wanted to hear.
I can tell from the comments. actually what Stephen was saying that's exactly what the public want to hear
Hussein Younes USO crowd wanted to hear something else
@@darkss6024 Ahha I understand, but the real Public in my perspective is here commenting on the video because anyone can access the video and comment, and after skimming through the comments more than 90 % not only agree with Stephen, also very mad about how rude Serena acted.
He makes a living down playing black athletes so ehh
@@husseinyounes4140 ah but in my view the real public now is the loud minority of the public that creates the story. The real public is here in the comment you’re right. But the real public doesn’t control the narrative or facts. Just the reaction
Serena is a GOAT. She even managed to get the spotlight off Osaka even if she lost.
Serena is the Greatest Of All Toddlers.
LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Williams knew she was losing and had a tantrum... end of story. She would have lost anyway.
I'm feel bad for Osaka tbh , working hard , winning and everyone's focus on serena's meltdown
Bruh
@@benjiii3407 woah calm down there!! That was a little too much!!
Just a random dude my bad. Really shouldn’t have said the n word. My bad
Those rare moments when Stephen A has it absolutely correct.
ny_kia31 agreed
@@jorgeromeroii5277 What's a Barack Loser?
Wrong. The Umpire should have handled it much better. No need to giveaway a game, just a caution. Would he have done that to a Prime/intimidating Marat Safin? Hell no.
ny_kia31 he really is. That ref may have a stick up his ass and there’s retarded rules to tennis but Serena was out of line in accusing the dude of sexism when it’s clearly not the case.
I still find it disgusting how a human reaction out of Serena prompts the actual racists and sexists to start calling her a gorilla and go “SEE. WOMAN ARE RUINING EVERYTHING”.
It’s just an utter mess.
VERY RARE, YOU ARE CORRECT
People who think that Serena was right, either haven't watched enough tennis or just support her because of her ethnicity. They don't support her either as a player.
The amount of Emotional Trauma she caused Naomi Osaka will something she will never be forgiven.
1:35 I hate how Molly can get on national tv and say a blatant false statement based from pure ignorance. If you smash your racquet to the point where it cannot be used, that is an infraction, man or woman. Since that was her second infraction of the match,it was justly deemed a point penalty. There is literally no argument there.
Dude leave we love her
Black Mamba naw molly is getting pure annoying people are starting to dislike her
Black Mamba she’s trash, everyone hates her...keep dreaming
Black Mamba nigga YOU love her. She literally knows nothing about half the topics they speak on and is always budging In saying some cringe shit, then it’s just an awkward silence for 5 seconds because max and Stephen A know she don’t know what tf she talking about
the rule is the same for men and women but as with most if not all of these unsportsmanlike conduct violations they are not always enforced strictly to the tee. there have been many moments where raquets have been smashed and no penalty was given. so it is fair to point to that.
still, SAS is in the right here for once. serena is entirely at fault for escalating the situation and making a whole scene of it, which she already has a record of doing. its extremely unprofessional, and thats exactly where she differs from the mens champions like federer, nadal or djokovic. if they get what they feel like is a BS call against them, theyll let the ump know, sure. but then theyll go back to playing tennis. serena has proven multiple times that she is either uncapable or simply unwilling to do that. no sympathy with her there.
3:07 he's basically saying rules must be overlooked for vetrans like LeBron or Serena that's BS
I'm his opinion. If it's a small thing like calling him a "thief" he could give her another chance. Not only for her but also for her opponent. Osaka has played a stunning game up to that point and she would have won anyway probably and this way it would have been a much greater victory. Now she has to be ashamed basically.
And it's not about that veterans should be treated better but it's about not destroying an important game with millions of people watching.
I think osaka, if asked, would have let it go herself.
@@jx4219 i agree with you but still serena started it. Look she was getting coached she shouldn't have reacted that much and acted like she was a saint she should have stayed calm but i guess she couldn't control her emotions as she was getting frustrated, Hence Serena Williams unknowingly took away Osakas greatest moment.
Abhishek Baba shut the fuck up it happened to steph curry when he threw his mouth piece
@@datboyrell2849 and so fucking what? Are you saying what she did is excused because someone else did something worst?
It’s not veterans he’s talking about, it’s stars. Superstars who transcend the game. And even though I don’t agree with his overall opinion, he’s right in that regard. At the end of the day, sports is entertainment. People pay to see the biggest stars in the biggest moments, not the officials.
Serena was pestering the ump for a LONG time. When the guys do it its usually 1-5 seconds and its done. But like every women has to cry about it and complain about it and pester the ump. She deserved what she got.
“Don’t throw out mike trout”, it doesn’t matter who it is you treat everyone like they’re the same as an umpire
For the first time in a long time, I agree with Stephen. This wasn’t about sex, the umpire is known for being a strict guy towards EVERYBODY.
Exactly. Serena knew that she was probably going to lose, so she made this about the officiating.
No he’s not. He’s known to be inconsistent
Fuck u all sexiest fucks how can u say say that
@@JCole-fg3rr wtf
@@Juanfermandez_224 gtfo bro that umpire does that to everyone shes sensitive that she was losing she just had a baby all those emotions are showing up
The 1st guy is absolutely deluded!!!!
First guy..all I heard was yelling....second guy that spoke, more professional.
He's a Moron !
He is a certified asshole
Lol @ “first guy and second guy”
You don’t know who Stephen A and Kellerman? Lmao you probably ended up here just looking for “Poor Serena” material.
@@scottdenja6896 the ump wasn't wrong. The top umpires in the tennis fraternity have said it was totally within his rights to make those calls.
Serena was wrong obviously
I kind like it when Judges are strict, it makes the big guys/girls think before doing something stupid
They say "But he took a *GAME* away from her! Not just a point!"
Yeah, because that was the THIRD violation, and as stated in the rules of tennis, the penalty of a THIRD violation is taking away a game. Their lack of knowledge is disgraceful in their positions of influence.
The guy on the right and the woman are idiotic.
@@Scallion_D I think the guy on the right is just trying keep his job
Also the woman said she played tennis, obviously not good and never read the rules.
@@aaronmontgomery2055 yeah Max Kellerman is usually smarter than this he's just saying this cuz he ain't black
@@resurrectedpa yeah but thats even worse because that would make him a coward and a liar
@@JonathanGarza16 yeah true
I feel sorry for naomi osaka.
Osaka will be just fine.
why? she won lol
@@82_derek44 but the crowd didn't treat it that way, they cheered for Serena and booed at Naomi
@@82_derek44 if you look up any articles about the match you'll find the first thing that comes up is all focused on Serena and not Naomi's victory.
Why are you feeling sorry for Osaka, she’s crying all the way to the bank
The idea that its the umps fault, not Serena, for her behavior that overshadowed Osakas win is ridiculous. A five year old is taught better sportsmanship in t ball i mean come on
Got caught cheating threw a tantrum cried about it stole Naomi's moment the end
Max was so afraid to say she was wrong its so obvious.
No because he is told what to say.
@@mitcho3820 that may be true.
he lost all street cred from his rapping days.
@Gee Gnome Project it was her THIRD VIOLATION. He didnt take the point away off top.
@Gee Gnome Project she was way more wrong. Those guys don't slander the ump and they don't get three code violations.. She did both those things.
White dude acting like it’s the referees fault 😂😂 what an air head
He isn't white, he's a Jew.
Fade - white guilt
@@rogerlost5851 Jewish people have white skin.
Fade if he did not agree you would call the white guy a racist. He has a name asshole.
Actually it's because of the show. Max isn't the star so he has to argue for the most ridiculous positions while SAS gets the popular/better takes.
Why do I feel Stephen A. said everything Max wanted to but Max said what he said to keep his job lmao
If Max said all of that he would have been called a racist, and anti feminist then some black athletes would have said they were not appearing on ESPN until Max is gone.
Stephen didn't want to get into the particulars, but sooo passionate about one particular comment.
Serena took away Naomi's moment, not the umpire!
Jonas Conrad Keller is too woke don’t you see. Lol
I almost lost it when Max said Carlos Ramos took away Naomis moment, THANK YOU JONAS
Did you see Serena tell the crowd to stop booing Naomi during the ceremony? Or maybe you missed that.
oh cmon really? why were they booing in the first place? cause the majority of the audience in the us open has no clue about tennis and went along with Serena's stupidity...
And how the hell did she do that?! She had a right to react the way she did. I do feel sorry for the kid though.
Imagine a male player berating and harassing a female umpire like that......now imagine the media reaction to it.....so much for sexism......
“Imagine some shit that didn’t happen.”
“Now Imagine my argument makes sense.”
“Because you’d have to live in the land of make believe to come to the conclusion that if we ignore something that is wrong sometimes it means we should do it all the time, or that one instance of ignorance somehow negates another instance of clarity.”
Your argument is passive aggressive.
Ian Farris Passive aggressive? Lol, look at your comment, putting empty words of sarcasm in his mouth. Your projection is palpable.
You know damn well the reaction would be _completely_ different, with the genders reversed. So here's a tip for you, sparky: Just because you don't like an argument that you have no rebuttal to doesn't mean you should speak and make a fool of yourself. Know when to spot a point you can't refute, and move along.
Ian Ferris - not passive aggressive...metaphorically wrinkle-free....
@@Repetoire You're the aggressive one Ian.
Double standers bitches
"Look the other way" are you freaking serious?
Thank god we can just FFwd past Max’s drivelling
Dude was talking about baseball taking second base yawnnnn
What a bizarre world we live in where the referee enforcing the rules that EVERYONE agrees with is blamed for enforcing those rules. She knew he was an extremely strict official. She could have stopped at the 2nd point but no, she just had to keep raging and it cost her a game. Then she had the gall to say it was sexist. Disappointing.
We also don‘t blame cops for stopping people who do illegal car races just because it would have made for an epic race
Ramos didn't take anything away from Osaka, he was enforcing the rules of tennis! It was Serena temper tantrum and shamful conduct that caused all this.
Ramos didnt take shit, Serena did, by acting up she caused controversy to swirl around herself, and that was irresponsible enough, but that overshadowed such a huge victory for Osaka
Wait wait wait 0:25 "Greatest Player to ever live" c'mon now 😂
Let The Umpire do his work.
Words are paid by actions too.
1) Coaching happened. Her coach admitted it people. First infraction. 2) Broken racket - Second infraction. 3). Verbal Abuse - 3rd infraction which AUTOMATICALLY RESULTS IN LOSS OF GAME BECAUSE ITS THE 3RD INFRACTION. Its the rules people. Can't believe you're even talking about this? Especially the girl on the panel?? Do u not understand the rules? Had she said "thief" on the FIRST INFRACTION then it would not have cost her the game. Its simple. It doesn't matter how "small" the infraction was. It was the THIRD ONE which is why the penalty was more severe. Common sense. Stephen A is right. That's why nothing was overturned. Worst part is, Serena knows the rules. She did this to herself and that's the best part. Why don't y'all talk about what REALLY went down and WHY SERENA KEPT PUSHING KNOWING THAT THE 3RD INFRACTION WOULD COST A GAME?? I'll tell why, CUZ SHE WAS GETTING HER BUTT KICKED AND SHE NEEDED AN EXCUSE AFTERWARD AS TO WHY SHE LOST SO QUICKLY / EASILY. Sorry but it's obvious. A combination of her emotions and losing got the best of her. She had a meltdown and tried to spin the narrative in her favor. Sore loser. Such a joke. Now attention is all on her, not the winner; and she's not a bitter loser but a "womens rights hero". Selfish and a complete joke. The official did his job and followed the rules, plain and simple. She lost... twice. On the court, and in this argument.
100% correct couldn't have put it better myself. The weird thing is that, it all happened during a final. She caused such a scene and then the public followed. I can't believe she did this to Osaka, she should apologize not the umpire.
what if you break your racket on your coach while swearing at him
@@carolc9655 she needs to apologize to both, shoot she needs to apologize to everyone lol and people wonder why our schools are starting to fill up with more and more rebellious behavior. If u celebrate what Serena did and laud her as a hero, then the exact message we are sending to our children is that they too can "be a hero like her". We are encouraging bad behavior no matter how u try to spin it. Either its okay to yell at and ridicule an official that has authority, or its not. If kids are told to celebrate what Serena just did, then parents, teachers, and principals better celebrate when kids are "emotional and passionate" in the classroom while throwing a fit. I'm so sick of hearing her say that. It's her go to line when she acts like this and its not an excuse. I'm extremely passionate about my family, my career working with children, my favorite hobby of fishing, and I'm very competitive on the basketball court; but my "passion" never manifests like this. Its not "passion", it is emotion, but it is letting your emotions get the best of u and its wrong. If anything it reveals immaturity (at 36), entitlement, and emotional instability. We should not celebrate this or tell young ladies to look up to it.
@justkeepcasting
Didn't players get DQ'd after 3 infractions back in the day?
@@SFO14 may have? I honestly don't really follow it anymore. Was a big Federer fan. But pro sports in general are just getting more like this across the board. Hard to watch.
when u try to be politically correct........ but a man of the same colour calls bullshit on it haha
"I would never cheat I'm a mother"
Mother: blue eyes
Father:blue eyes
Child: brown eyes👁👄👁
Notice how Max keeps glancing over at Molly to make sure she approves of what he's saying lol
Serena is a great Tennis player but you can't just pull the victim card at every opportunity. You got outplayed...own up to it.
Bio
Steriods-Serena is a sore loser.
Lmao guess you hate the truth. She's a sore loser.
Why won't anyone just say it, serena was just exerting her black privilege. Apparently she's worth 180 million dollars, guess it's true what they say, money can't buy class.
And Sergio please stop or at least make it funny eh?
Carlos Ramos took nothing away from Osaka. Serena did. Serena got penalized for her own actions. The only people who try to bring sexism into this are those with an agenda to push.
You said it. People need to take responsibility for their actions. Serena cost herself this game with the way she conducted herself.
Liberals never take responsibility for there actions.
Ramos annoying
The Fuzz you nazi couldn’t wait for Serena to lose damn devils
Nope, Ramos did. Serena knew she was not going to win. Especially when you get penalized for playing the game. Coaching is in every sport. When that infraction occured, she was on the opposite end of the court. It is apparent to me, you
never won any sporting event, because If you did, you would know of what is like to compete, not to be a spectator, which you are. You watch too much TV, play the game. The umpire started this. McEnroe cussed at umpires, nothing happened, just like in every major sport. And he was not alone.
The "common practice" argument is why cheating has escalated to the heights it has in ALL sports these days!!
The judge did NOT take a point from Serena for coaching. He gave her a WARNING. She decided to take a point from herself by breaking a racket and repeatedly berating the chair umpire. She knew the rules, but she decided to throw a tantrum. We all know she was cheated in the past in the Capriati match, but this time, it was her decision to throw the match away after she got nothing but a WARNING, about what her coach/former lover had done.
Rules of tennis: 1st offense is warning, 2nd offense is loss of point, 3rd offense is loss of game. Regardless of women or men. The rules, as is pay, is equal across. You cannot fault the chair umpire for enforcing the rules. You cannot fault the chair umpire for refusing to look the other way because she was Serena Williams and instead prefer to utilize his power to punish a lower ranked player for making the same offense, in a grand slam. Rules are rules, that’s what the lines are for in a court. Out is out. In is in. Get over it people.
Agreed except pay isn’t equal, men get payed a lot more in prize money; but for obvious reasons that year long tennis fans not casuals know about. etc: match length plus skill.
HeistGotFame - and the fact that Serena and venas got beat by the 203rd ranked man in the world
@@mymh8633 That's ridiculous to even mention. His highest ranking was in the 40s.
Speak brotha
@@heistgotfame-6952 wrong
Insert himself???.......... He sat there and stoically took it while Serena berated him for close to five minutes straight while calling him a thief. He was doing his job by enforcing the rules, and imo showed enormous restraint before finally pulling the trigger so that they could get on with the match. Shame on Serena.
Larry Williams nope.... ump should not decide a match, everybody knows this
Tijan
What are you talking about? The umpire shouldn’t enforce the rules? You’re just taking a trite statement and somehow applying it to rules that determine how the game is played. If Tom Brady gets a penalty for crossing the line of scrimmage before making a pass should the refs just forget about the penalty because it might affect the game?
What match you watch go watch it again "berated him" do you know what that word means... PLEASEEEEEESE
Well, I know what it means....
And I quote (dictionary):
Berate means----- to scold vehemently & at length, to rebuke, to reprimand, admonish, upbraid, take to task...etc.
NOW WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT MEANS..
PLEASEEEEESE, INDEED.
Naomi Osaka decided that match by putting a whooping on Serena the entire time. Serena lost it because she was taking a beating and that is what triggered her tirade. She did the same thing when she was in the semi's a few years back losing to Kim Klijsters. She threatened to shove a ball down the officials throat and lost match point. It's become the Norm for Serena in big matches when she is getting outplayed.
First Take doesn’t talk about tennis very often, but when they do, Max is still wrong 💀
I’m back here in September 2020 and still don’t understand how Max doesn’t believes that Serena just was an awful sport. Tennis is a sport of class. You don’t just yell at the ref lol
Since no one ain’t saying it on TV or in the comment section..... *CONGRATULATIONS NAOMI OSAKA! 👏👏🏆🎾*
Fck her!
Santana H. What did she do to warrant that?
Santana H. Fuck you and serena, you bitch.
Who?
Excellent,. Excellent
Ramos is at fault here? Oh please. Give your head a shake. Osaka played a better game. Williams has no one to blame but herself.
Mark Van Laren No one is saying Osaka did not play a better game, its not about that, Serena can,t win them all, after all, she is 37 years old.
This comment is like saying "Ramos is at fault here? Oh please, give you head a shake. The sky is blue" yeah, the sky is blue, everybody knows that, and it has nothing to do with the conversation
Blame you too you bitch
Of course it wasn't his fault. In fact, I think he was very calm and waited until the very last moment. With me she had received the penalty way way before. The ref is like a cop, you can't just call him liar and thief and Sexist..... she is such a loser....
Elwilton Eligon...Did you not listen to what the first commentator was saying? This is not a Ramos issue this is a Serena problem. That's the conversation.
Looking back at this, I just feel horrible for Naomi Osaka, she really deserved this win. This whole thing was ridiculous, good W for her and she is so well known now.
Stephen perfectly proved his point with *facts*, period.
0:15
He took it away?
No, SERENA took it away
@sara lincoln wrong. He's won awards and kudos
Exactly
Ramos didn't take it away from Osaka the crowds poor attitude did and Serena's behaviour not the umpire
Thinking the official that made the ruling that harassed the player is without fault... holy hell TH-cam comments are fucking dumb
The umpire made it about him!
TstormVA2012 No! Serena made it about her!
Quote from the ESPN douche:
“The umpire should have let it go”
No! Serena should have let it go. She had already addressed the umpire previously about the call he made. There was no reason to go at him again at that point. She should have just did like ever other player and kept her composure and finished the game.
Totally agree. The umpire made the right calls -- good on Ramos for not making exceptions because he was dealing with a superstar in the person of Williams. The crowd and Williams are indeed the ones to blame.
no doubt
I find it interesting how one man has to shout to try and get his point across, whereas the other gentleman calmly and eloquently makes his point
They didn’t cover the fact that she verbally harassed the referee.
I hope somehow this comment gets shown to Max and Molly.
1 violation = a warning from the umpire.
2 violations = a point deduction.
3 violations = a game deduction.
That is NOT hard to understand at all.
....they only understand "can't be saved by the bell".
You cannot be a professional victim if you are following the rules. haaaaa.....
but she is a black woman! So the rules dont apply to her! So there!
Anonymous , thanks for clarifying that for all these idiots that just can’t seem to get a clue👍🏼❗️
Anonymous j
Max Kellerman‘s opening statement is a disgrace.
Who is this POS, milk toast, white boy, liberal ESPN commentator on this panel? This is the direction ESPN has taken in the last few years and why I don't watch ESPN anymore. He probably gives his kids participation awards and doesn't allow score keeping at the games. EDIT: I finished watching and Steven put it in his face. If that fellow commentator in this conversation is what ESPN stands for, this company has gone even further over the edge than I previously thought. THE RULES DON'T MATTER IF THE MOMENT IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH??????? Give me a break!!!! I stand by my earlier comment - he is a weak POS, liberal turd of no moral character.
Riddikulus shut the fuck up same thing when curry threw his mouth piece and stayed in the game
Kellerman isn't white, he's a Jew.
To this day this is the most right Stephen A Smith has been in First Take history.
Anyone who knows the rules in tennis knows that Serena was dead wrong. That's why it was so frustrating to see so many people (especially in America) who at best are casual tennis fans defend her disgraceful behaviour.
Get over it
This is literally the problem. People just need to forget about all of this and focus on Naomi Osaka who ACTUALLY WON
Poor girl had the greatest moment of her carreer stolen from her. She even apologized for winning, that was hard to watch.
@@theviniso Yeah it was very hard to watch, and on top of it, Serena telling the crowd "We will get through this" right in front of Osaka smh
I would never have heard who won the tournament if Serena hadn't have done what she's done. I haven't heard who's won 90%+of these tournaments in past years..but because of Serena's meltdown, I now know Osaka won. Osaka is getting way more coverage than if this have been a normal match without drama.
@@RageDaug Bruh You for real? Lol
+ malcolm willie, Yes. I rarely watch tennis and couldn't tell you who won any of the other tournaments this year, mens or womens.
We get it, Max, you're "woke", but not everything is about race, sex, etc. She clearly disrespected Ramos, and Osaka, a young player who will never get this time back. Congrats to Osaka.
Lol
Ray Ray 🤦🏾♂️😂😂
Ray Ray most of these “woke” folks need to take their ass back to sleep. They sound so self-righteous, pretentious, and whiny.
How the fuck is he woke just because he recognizes sexism? Trust me,hes not TRULY WOKE!! People throw that woke shit around when they have no God damn clue what being woke really is!!GTFOH
Serena is like Connors and McEnroe back in the day and more recent times, Andy Roddick. Entitled brats. It's always the Americans.
Max is wrong. Mac & Connors always faced repercussions for their unsportsmanlike conduct. McEnroe was disqualified from Australian Open & Davis Cup finals.
Stephen A, well said. 2 years later and i still enjoy hearing him taliking about this incident
They feel bad for Osaka for not getting enough credit yet they continue to go on about Serena...
Because the issue caused by Serena are bigger talking points... yes Osaka should have been given more credit but Serena's selfishness has made this impossible.
I completely understand but the media needs to quit talking about it way too much because in reality of things, Osaka played a better match. Yes Serena had the ability to come back but we will never know, only thing's for sure is that Osaka beat Serena and it was well deserved title for Osaka. They should just mention that a little bit more.
@@dantiongson3014 it is a shocking victory
They can’t talk about her cuz the umpire didn’t allow her to win with points (which I think she was going to do).
@@Danwura how ?
The reason it was a game penalty and not a warning/point penalty was because it was the THIRD code violation. Other men who were given code violations usually didn’t receive game penalties because they knew to stop after the first or second violation. Serena would not stop badgering the umpire for several minutes on end until he finally gave her the third violation, which per the rules, is an automatic game penalty. If you’re going to claim Ramos shouldn’t have intervened because this is the biggest stage of tennis, then you should also expect the same of Serena to act in a professional manner under those circumstances.
she thought he wouldn't go there. even threatening that he would never get a job as long as she plays wtf
Exactly! Umpire following rules, doing his job. He didn't just randomly give her a game penalty. She completely ruined Osakas crowning moment and barely even cared. Its always gotta be about Serena. Also pathetic people who would boo Osaka winning as well, scum.
Exactly. This is why I hate fandom. Her fans booed Osaka and the Umpire because they are sheep, blindly following their idol.
Richard Pei i said the same thing to one of my friends Serena Williams should have handled that with class and let her game speak for itself she could have came back she's Serena and in that type of a moment she's supposed to be the more well-mannered player but she cried like a baby talking about women rights and if she was a man this wouldn't happen. Give me a break Naomi wasn't throwing her racket on the ground and arguing with the judge talking about I need a referee oh please she played her game and deserve to win and Serena stoled Her Shine with that bullshit 😤 she did if somebody would have did that to her she would have said that was very unclassy of them and not a good look for tennis.
The usta president disagrees. It's her position that much worse is said in the men's game without it being a violation (warning point or otherwise)
I can’t believe I’m saying this but I agree with Steven A Smith
oh my gosh it's gonna snow
@sara lincoln even so, she is the one who ruined the competitive integrity, not Ramos. Ramos should try to he fair in other matches but her sexism argument was petty because it did not apply to this game specifically. He is not the one who had illegal coaching, he is not the one who broke her racket, and he is not the one who whined about it during the match.
he makes a good naysayer
at least he consistent
3:16
Looks at the camera thinking "Imma say it."
Feminism 101: act all manly and when you don't get your way start crying, say things unfair, and blame men for what they've done
Yup
well "she" is a man though
bang on
@@rafailbaldal6062
ow ow....
you said the m-word ~ lol
🤣🤣true
Three things to remember:
-There were 4x as many code violations issued to men at the 2018 us open than women. (22 women - 96 men, sort of contradicts the sexism claim)
-Serena has been assessed more in misconduct fines than any other player in women’s tennis the last 10 years.
- third violation is an automatic game, most players stop acting up when the next infraction is a game penalty, Serena thought she was above the rules. There was no choice but to take a game for third violation.
There was a choice. Sorry I watch tennis. A lot of it. You obviously dont along with a lot of people on these threads.
Women are on court far less so there is your reason for those irrelevant statistics.
Given the championship nature of the match, he could have said "Serena, if you dont let this go I will give you a third violation". The rules have been selectively applied. Its not about sexism. That's where she lost a lot of peoples respect. She was victim to unfair umpiring but it had nothing to do with gender.
Violation 1:
I literally saw coverage of Sasha coaching Naomi. All of them do it so this ruling needs serious readdressing as you can't just give a violation if the ump sees it which is what obviously happened. Ramos saw Patrick do it but not Sasha...so how is that fair? Ruling needs to be examined immediately. If an umpire cannot surveillance it then the coaching from the stands should just be allowed. Saying Ramos was "within his means to implement the ruling" is a total copout. Its discriminatory to implement it to one person and not the other. Thats final.
Violation 2:
Serena was under the impression Violation 1 was a unofficial warning not a violation. She absolutely deserved this violation as it is fair across the board but the breakdown in communication between Ramos and Serena meant she didn't understand that this would be Violation 2 not Violation 1.
Violation 3:
She mentally spiralled. As would most players in the situation. That was not verbal abuse. That was tame love. The pretentiousness of the world continues to amaze me. "A thief"...verbal abuse? LMAO. Ramos abused his power and threw out violations like he was throwing candy to kids on Halloween.
Both players are the victims. The integrity of the match (A GRAND SLAM FINAL) was diminished the moment his authority complex came the centre of the match. He job is to maintain order and let the tennis be what decides the outcome of the match. He tweaked and selectively applied rulings.
People are becoming so diverted by the sexism claims but it should be about how to implement rulings fairly. Not about the sexism bullshit. Naomi Osaka won the 2018 US Open fair and square and what a wonderful human being she is but both players were robbed of the moment.
a h Your argument is completely invalid.
1) Men were given 4x as many violations as women. They are only on the court for 66% longer and there are 128 participants for both sexes. That clearly shows the men were called out WAY more than the women.
2) Rules are rules. The referee has no need to give a "warning" about giving a third violation. This would ONLY be a case if the ref was letting one player get away with stuff and the other wasn't. Carlos Ramos has been consistent throughout his career, his superiors (like SAS stated) hold him in the highest regard, and there's a reason he was selected to referee a finals.
3) The undeserved leniency you see in other sports does not apply to tennis. In baseball, basketball, etc. you can get away with talking because nobody can hear. In tennis though? You have a GIANT MICROPHONE broadcasting every word you are saying, and the crowd is SILENT by rule. The game is completely stopped, your words are the only thing going on, and you're defaming a man's integrity to the entire world.
Overall: I agree with SAS. Serena is the greatest female tennis player, but she has a history of terrible attitudes and she's getting rightly punished for it.
@a h
You should be a lawyer. You've got the finessing the BS part down pat. Definitely NOT good with the math, though.
jyashin
1) Did you even read my response about me believing this has nothing to do with gender? Yet you continue to compare men and women lol. Your the one caught up with the sexism viewpoint. My argument is that UMPIRING across the board is inconsistent. Nothing to do with men or women. So once again, your statistics regarding male vs female
2) "Rules are rules". Absolute copout. Rules are there to ensure fair play. This is not occurring. Again, actually read what I wrote.
"This would ONLY be a case if the ref was letting one player get away with stuff and the other wasn't" - Again, read what I wrote. This is exactly what he did. In reference to this match, Osaka got the exact same coaching from Sasha as Serena did Patrick. ONLY ONE PLAYER WAS GIVEN A VIOLATION. I swear it's like talking to a kindergarden student with you.
"Carlos Ramos has been consistent throughout his career, his superiors (like SAS stated) hold him in the highest regard, and there's a reason he was selected to referee a finals" - People of the highest regard often make misjudgements. That is what happened here. He did not use his discretion adequately. Again, diminishing the integrity of the final.
3) His integrity should be questioned. It's 2018 mate. Everyone is accountable for their decisions and so is he. Just like Serena is to the backlash she is receiving. She wrongly made this about sexism. I do not believe Ramos was sexist is any way. I believe Ramos applied a ruling to one and not the other as you so deny. This is wrong. Especially in a GS Final. His decisions were damning.
We will have to agree to disagree as you are clearly uneducated in the tennis field.
MrVpassenheim The maths comparing men and women violations are irrelevant as I clearly stated that I believe no sexism occurred. Are all you people severely uneducated or something? That was my only criticism to Serena, making this about gender and not about the selective nature of the rulings themselves. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HER BEEN A WOMAN. THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH SELECTIVE IMPLEMENTATION OF RULINGS. Please read my response before saying nonsense.
It's like getting a warning for not turning on the headlights,
then get a ticket for running a stop sign,
then get your license taken away for speeding.
Good luck telling the officer "you know how many other men drive faster than me?"
Stevie is right. The other guy doesn't even know that tennis is played with racquet and ball. His mind is as thick as American football. 😂😂