Serena Williams & Sexism in Sports - Between the Scenes | The Daily Show
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- Trevor discusses the controversial call against Serena Williams at the US Open and the double standards in sports.
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That is not the case. The same upmire has previously done the same warning and point deductions for rafael nadal and novak djokovic who are some of the best tennis players, so this was clearly not an issue of sexism. The only victim here was the japanese girl whos achievement was completely ignored.
The issue here isn't the warning by the umpire. The issue is people's reactions to her outburst when no other sportsmen had this kind of reaction to their outbursts.
@@safwa1783 The reaction is because she brought identity politics and 'isms' into the conversation.
@@legendaj4932 It's just like officiating in any sport. You don't catch all the travelling violations in basketball(even blatant ones), but you can't say you didn't catch the other ones so you should let the ones you catch go. And she was given a warning for coaching. 1st code violation IS a warning. 2nd is a point(she broke her racket), 3rd is a game(she berated the official continuously).
@@legendaj4932 The rule being unjustified is NOT an excuse to not have it enforced. If anyone thinks this shouldn't be a rule can protest to the organization. As long as you play on court, you agree to play by the rules.
@@legendaj4932 Well, using a fake name in social media isn't against the rules unless you're stealing somebody else's identity. I'll give you a better analogy. We all go over the speed limit now an then, but you can't tell an officer to not give you a ticket when you get caught because he didn't catch you or any other person at another time. You still broke the law and got caught. It wasn't neccessarily the officer being racist or sexist, you just got caught.
The coach admitted he was coaching, whether Serena lied about watching him or not, she knows she can’t break her racket without a violation, and called the ref a thief and continued yelling at him, man if I were the ref especially after two violations I would have thrown her out of the game for her yelling at him continuously
Sean O'Neil have you ever watched tennis?
exactly , she was disgusting
Serena lost control of her own game & couldn’t control her emotions cause she was losing. Ngaiomi did well to handle the pressure and keep it together to eventually win.
And serena actually did what the coach told her to do. Move upto the net and lied that she did not see him. Actually she said that he was giving a thumbs up meaning she saw him. Unfortunate for her the camera caught it and we all saw it was not a thumbs up
The only thing I don’t understand here is why was she so quick to call it a sexism. It might just be directed to her. So if a guy gets the same treatment from the umpire they should shout sexism too?
A lot of the women nowadays, especially the influential ones are overusing this. Expected to be treated like a queen, or it’s a sexism.
Feel bad for Osaka. She should be enjoying this amazing win.
She was booed
She looked a bit intimidated and uncertain in the interviews I caught today... it's hard to blame her for that with all the chaos, but regardless of the situation with the ref, she absolutely deserves to be proud and to have her moment. Osaka is a brilliant tennis player and she played a great game, as usual.
I know. The poor kid! She deserved better. At least Serena tried to comfort her and buck her up.
What happened was unfortunately bigger than Osaka... the Umpire is to fully to blame .. this was an eye opening experience for everyone.. it had to happen! Osaka should be proud no matter what... it was not about her.. and it's still okay.. shit happens!
Lee Raj you realize she was the first Japanese person to win a grand slam, right
No no no trevor, braking a racket in tennis is incredibly childish, do you know who hard it is to do that?
It's not that hard to crack a racket. I've done it before in high school tournament
What does string work have to do with it? I got mad hit the side of my racket on the ground and it cracked and I use a great racket if that's what you're asking and yeah it is unsportsmanlike and you have to follow an etiquette for tennis especially at that level I was just saying you dont have to be the hulk to crack a racket. I was responding to stars comment of how hard that is today not saying serena should have done it?
I'm not sure why you're trying to argue with me. I was conference tournament champion played with professional quality rackets maybe serena's is made out of gold. I said it's not ok she did that idk what else you want from me. Lol btw if it was that hard to break a racket or strings all players wouldn't bring 2 or 3 rackets with them every game. Have you ever played tennis?
Jessica shut up both of you.
Sophie Pressler Why the fuck does the title say "Sexism in Sports" Sexist to whom? Both competitors were female.
Tired of this Serena drama overshadowing Naomi Osaka's accomplishment. Completely unfair to her and robbed her of a happy celebration.
Tbh with Osaka I feel really bad abt. She won but completely on unjust terms on the umpires side. And even Osaka said that this whole situation was fucked up. Also I'm tired of people erasing Osaka's Haitian heritage the moment she won the title. She's Haitian and Japanese and they are only focusing on her Japanese heritage. But at the same Osaka winning is great but we cannot just let the sexism just slide! This isn't drama.
Osaka is doing interviews based around this. She’s actually becoming famous.
Racist overshadow blacks everyday but you aren't tired of them eh?You don't wander why the guys aren't punished?You aren't wandering why they were focused in on her coach,they all do it.
DRAMA QUEEN GOT CAUGHT CHEATING HER COACH SAID HE WAS CHEATING DUH A MARCH IS COMING CALLED POOR OLD ME POP-CORN WITH BE SERVED NO BUTTER QUOTE AIR SHARPPON AND MAYBE JESSES
Agreed . Beside every sports have their own rules and Serena broke them! Typical modern feminist! Everything somehow becomes sexist to them m. And for the conclusion, Osaka’s outperformed Serena! C’mon time to move on Serena!
Dude, in football if you talk trash to the reff you get a red card. 🤥
Are you stupid.
@@smoothwater11 u r stupid
Soccer too. if you were refering football as american football
You mean grass fairy soccer?
@@i8dapuszy what do you mean
I like Trevor’s show, but he really has no idea what he’s talking about here
He has no idea about anything... except for comedy... that i will give him credit cuz he is funny but aside from that he is just like most people who has a pre convinced opinion
@@rexyz5875 like u bro
I won't pretend to understand the rules of tennis, but I would like to point out that Trevor isn't outright defending Serena - he literally says at 3:42 that he's not saying Serena shouldn't be punished. He's just trying to point out the discrepancies in the way males and females are being treated online for the same things. That's the whole point - how when a man makes a tantrum, it's referred to as passion and when it's a woman, hysteria. Get it? Again, I'm not defending anyone here; just trying to point out the point of this video.
Also, Trevor simply expresses his opinions about that rule; he doesn't say it's wrong, he says he thinks it's wrong. Big difference, if you're into the nuances of words and language.
@@themajor1884 Literally guys have been punished for the same thing, it's got nothing to do with sExIsM and that whole paragraph was for nothing.
@@TomTKK I understand if you were too lazy to read through what I wrote. Let me condense it for you - Guys are punished for the same things, yes. But those incidents are treated differently by media or online when compared with women.
I agree with what you said, my friend. There's just something to be added to it.
Trevor, McEnroe was once penalised an entire match for shoddy behaviour. Losing their temper is not "just what sports-men and -women do". Sports is an arena that is highly emotionally charged - any fool can lose their temper. It is emotional control that defines good sportsmanship.
he is intencionally misleading. He compares Serena's behavior with other sports, instead of other tennis players. As an argentinian, i can tell you, Gaston Gaudio was very good at embarrasing our entire country at the world stage on many ocasions.
Trevor is a liar, no surprises
No its not
@@azzzie8908No it's not what?
If you notice, every media source is defending Serena, meanwhile in every comments section people are saying Serena was out of lines. Interesting.
Not all news source. But ask any sports expert and they'll tell you she was wrong, McEnroe defending Serena doesn't help her cause, he's known to behave badly and him supporting her is ironic.
Remember this feeling when the whole media talks about trump. Propaganda
murrrmur it's almost like they have some agenda huh?
comment section? ACTUAL sports commentators and players are saying she was out of line.
Yeah have you seen the big media outrage when Elon musk took a puff from a blunt on a Joe Rogan podcast?
Even though long time has passed, but i still want to say how wrong is Trevor in this talk
1. Coach is not allowed to help during the competition, it's not about coaching in general. This is crystal clear rule for tennis.
2. The referee had made a correct decision by giving a penalty, and Serena should accept it and move on (apparently she didn't).
3. The difference between some man players and Serena in this particular situation is that she kept trash-talking for some long period of time, male players maybe had a short burn-out and that's it.
4. Serena accused referee on being sexist (her opponent was a woman too), liar and thief, whereas the man was just doing his job.
5. I personally believe that in sports like tennis, volleyball, swimming, athletics there is a very important difference that competitors don't have a physical contact with each other, so the only thing that matters for winning is skillset (in basketball, football or hockey happens lot of hard contacts during a match, and many injuries might happen which could affect on result, that's why losing temper there sometimes is reasonable) . This is why Serena should be able to control herself because the only reason that she was losing was that the opponent was outplaying her!
PS.. sorry for my mistakes, English isn't my mother tongue
Well said, very good points. And your English is very good !
You allude to the fact that you didn’t even watch the match in statement two. This invalidates your third statement because it’s phrased as if you saw it and are making your argument based off of it.
@@mercysimpson6066 That makes him sexist right??? Shut the hell up. Its tennis. We know what happens without watching it. Stupid ass lmao!
I agree. Also, the way she kept calling him liar and sexist. Worst part was when Osaka apologised for winning the game and felt humiliated for winning because everyone booed her. Serena trash talked to the umpire saying she'd never cheat because she had a daughter while ruining the happiness (of a victory) of somebody's daughter (Osaka).
also, I don't think the umpire Carlos Ramos was being sexist because he did the same things to the males because from what I got from multiple videos is that he is a straight lace guy. but if you want to know more about it watch this video th-cam.com/video/NMAXEaGGoGk/w-d-xo.html
Trevor, all I'm going to say is that just double check the facts. Serena got a game penalty for calling the official a thief. She got a point penalty for breaking her racket. I just want people to know the actual facts
he is not saying she didn't do something wrong. He's just saying other male tennis players have done worse and they were not penalized or anything like that. Also the public didn't react so extremely to their faults.
I understand that. I just want people to have the entire story so they too can formulate their own opinions.
oh okay cool.
@Prisca, does she have proof or just anecdotes? Because we have some hard numbers here: twitter.com/christophclarey/status/1039199474512539648?s=19
Other male have not done worse and not been penalized. That's just a blatant lie. Find me ONE male player that continued ranting at the umpire after they had received 2 warnings. Just one. I'll wait.
I think Trevor is so wrong here. If there is a rule of not coaching then that rule applies to all players whether male or female. Period. Don't compare Tennis(a non contact game) with likes of Basketball or Football. I mean, chess has different set of rules than Football, I don't see Chess GrandMasters complaining about that.
Also, Serena kept going after the umpire for a long time. Called him Liar and Thief, meanwhile that guy is just doing his job. She, before that broke her racquet out of anguish. She just wanted to win after becoming a "mom", disregarding the fact that the young girl who she was playing against also put hard work into her play. The worst part was when Osaka cried and apologised for winning. Serena as a mom failed to show millions of daughters to be supportive of other women's victory. I mean, the Beauty pageant win where Miss Nigeria didn't win but was so happy that other black woman did, is a way better show of support than what Serena did.
It's understandable what Serena did because she wanted to prove her haters wrong and felt that pressure of victory. But, it's not acceptable what her action led to a situation where the victor was humiliated by the the audience because they wanted to show support to Serena. Also, not acceptable when influential people like Trevor talk about women only from Serena's perspective and not from a new player Osaka's standpoint, who ironically is also a woman. A wrong is a wrong, whether it comes from a man or woman, whether it happened at the expense of another man or woman.
It is the way they address female and male sport in the media. That's sexist
7000 languages and you chose to speak facts
I won't pretend to understand the rules of tennis, but I would like to point out that Trevor isn't outright defending Serena - he literally says at 3:42 that he's not saying Serena shouldn't be punished. He's just trying to point out the discrepancies in the way males and females are being treated online for the same things. That's the whole point - how when a man makes a tantrum, it's referred to as passion and when it's a woman, hysteria. Get it? Again, I'm not defending anyone here; just trying to point out the point of this video.
Also, Trevor simply expresses his opinions about that rule; he doesn't say it's wrong, he says he thinks it's wrong. Big difference, if you're into the nuances of words and language.
Very very well said
It’s hilarious that suddenly unsportsmanlike is justified when it’s convenient for you. And now you want it normalized.
Oh come on, Osaka won and she's completely over shadowed by this and booed. Is she not a woman? Can't nobody talk about Osaka??
She's Asian, therefore not important unless for the object of sexualised fetishes.
But guess who's gonna get a lot of sponsors for female representation.
XRenimages because she is Japanese. People want to talk about the American Queen more. I know how it is.
It’s just sad there’s obviously more focus on Serena than Naomi. How much harder does Naomi have to work to be in a spotlight? I don’t know.
Naomi played better than serena that entire match even before the crap happened, she matched Serena in strength and speed and was better, Osaka deserved every bit of that win, and she would have won even without all that drama
Yes poor Osaka. She was a big fan of Serena and was you happy to be able to play against her idol. But Serena couldn't behave properly when loosing...
The truth is she just had a warning for the coaching (so no consequences on points). Search for the videos and you'll see that the coach is actually trying to give here advises. The rule seems unfair (she is warned because of someone else behavior) but it's the rule... and the punishment was insignificant. Yet she lost it because she was loosing and broke here racket. The point penalty is nothing really. She just started with 0-15 instead of 0-0in the next service... in soccer for example you receive a yellow if you remove your t-shirt when celebrating for a goal. 2 of these and you are out and your team plays at 10vs11... The broken racket alone justified the punishment she had.
Then during the pause she went to insult the referee... She is not a junior player. She knows what she is doing and the risks involved by acting like that. And then she had a real punishment and had a game penalty. That's quite hard but it was the next level after the first one that wasn't obviously enough... Again in soccer you usually get a yellow for that and after the first one you are out.
Then she called officials to try to make them undo what the referee decided but this is stupid. The referee is the only one deciding on a court. If you start cancelling their decisions they loose all authority.
During all that time the poor Osaka lost here concentration and when the match started again Serena won a game easily. So basically she had a game punishment too...
The worst part is calling that sexisme. When you are speeding and receive a fine for that, maybe you see other persons speeding too but the cop is occupied giving you the fine and these people go unpunished. It's unfair! It's not because other people acting badly can go away that the fine you receive is unjustified... and trying to use sexism to justify your bad behavior is just lame.
This is really the worst part of it. She had been a pro for 20 years and can't deal with a referee decision? It was just selfishness and she ruined Osaka's victory (the first Japanese wining btw, man or woman)
After the end Serena realized that she acted badly and changed here behavior but for me it's too late. You can't act badly and then just say let's be friend again and act like nothing happened.
US open - did you expect intelligent human beeings in the audience?
but not one word about this useless idiots from Trevor
Its sad that whenever there's an issue where the person plays the sexism card (or any other), many people (with all respect Trevor, you are in it too) blindly supports that person. Just because the card she used is a real sensitive on going topic even if its not relevant to the situation. And u know who was the real theif? Serena, for stealing Osaka's probably life's best moment
Who's Serena? There's a Severe-a and Osaka match we're talking about.
Americans like to jump in on issues they don’t have any knowledge about, just so they can be on one side or the other.
Dude when you don’t know about tennis, don’t comment shit.
@Aman Yadav you're disgusting
@@watisoninata5150 And u are ignorant
Agree
@@watisoninata5150 no you
yeahhh
Male players are punished for the same violation too. Many examples are already in the comments. You cannot talk about statistics when you don't have the numbers, Trevor. And the fact that this umpire is consistent, unbiased and meticulous in all the matches, regardless who the players are (men/women, high-ranked/low-ranked,...) should be celebrated. It's other umpires who overlook these rules need to pay more attention. And how can you promote disrespect towards other human beings like calling the umpire a thief and unsportsmanlike behavior like smashing racquets and fighting? That should not be celebrated in tennis and in any sports.
Men got 86 code violations in this US Open while women got 22, Serena and her fans pulled this "men get it easier" bullshit out of their ass. Men have it so easy that they have to fucking play 5 sets.
Maybe it's because I don't watch tennis, but I like to see some passion come from athletes in intense situations. I'm all for it.
@Qui ingreditur viam prudentiae I pity Naomi. She was booed on stage for beating Serena (and Serena did nothing to stop it) and was even crying and apologizing during the interviews when she should have been celebrating the victory. Serena the self-proclaimed "Women's Right Fighter" should first apologize to Naomi for stealing her spotlight. Fucking entitled sore loser..
@@lizandkhrys5691 - that would be WWW with many enotions and insults, all choreographed. I want to see the best sports man or woman to win, and that was Naomi on that day.
Mylink1828 - thank you for your comment. I want to see sports, too, and not unsportsmanlike conduct when I watch sports on the highest level. Only in smashing a racket I wouldn't see much of a problem if it's her own.
. . . And Serena Williams calling the referee a thief and threatening to have him prevented from refereeing her games got the right response by other referees who threatened not to referee Williams anymore - she can then appear in a circus and play all the drama she wants, but it wouldn't be sport anymore.
2 years later, Trevor sounds so dumb with this. I just watched Serena beaten again by Naomi at Melbourne. I guess he should make another video
Really? Plz use your brain bc what happened in New York is not what happened in Melbourne. Those were two different matches and two different situations happening. All Trevor was saying was he didn't get how you can't get coaching in tennis and if so you get penalized for it. Take a seat.
You lost the fact completely. Everyone does misbehave when things go wrong ... but not after they got warning. Idiot.
She is not penalized for arguing. She is not penalized for being angry on Umpire. She is not penalized for keep talking.
She was penalized for calling umpire thief and that was explained. Dont be selective listener, Trevor.
She was penalized for physical abuse shown on material (Court and Racket) . Dont ignore the facts, Trevor.
Tennis is Tennis, dont mix that up with Football or Baseball. People had been punished for misbehavior when it is outside of the boundaries of limits set.
Tennis has set those limits and when someone had crossed it has process to punish that behavior. Firstly warning, then punishment and then even more serious punishment.
He was talking how males and females are treated. There is sexism and it should be called out when it happens. Serena acted like an ass, but so do several male players and they are given more leeway in general. Tennis is also a bit tight and could use to loosen up. It is a couple people whacking around a rubber ball, not curing cancer.
Jay Varner, there is uneven application of the rules (cornet shirt change v. shirtless novak, rafa getting medical break when loosing), but the argument that male players are given more leeway is completely without basis. The stats bear it out that men are penalized 4:1. If you don't know the rules in tennis you can't expect to come into the sport after reading the headlines and evaluate what went wrong here, and what didn't.
I've been playing tennis for years, and I don't want it to loosen up, not in the way you seem to suggest. If anything, we need more umps like this one to stop some of the BS that still goes on, despite the years we had to endure with a-holes like McEnroe, etc.
Trevor Noah has morphed from a great comedian willing to make good fun of everything and anything to a shill that trolls anything that might be remotely related to racism, or sexism. He knows NOTHING about tennis. He can't make any coherent argument about racism or sexism based on this incident.
But, as we all see, informed opinion is so yesterday. Anyone with a platform can put out drivel to get clicks, but that still doesn't make it valid.
GLlnick - You might be correct, but Tennis is a second rate sport at best and no sport is worth the attention this has gotten. That and sexism is everywhere.
Hmm, "you are correct but still sexism" -- Got it. You know how much damage you do to women's rights by calling out sexism on reflex?
I agree, tennis would have to be a 2nd rate sport if you don't know much about it.
It's unbelievable how many outsiders have come into the sport to expound their "opinions" after this melt-down. Seriously, the number of comments that say TN is clueless about tennis, many of them women, and people from SA ... where do you think that is coming from, sexism?
You should look up how "sexist" the tennis world was to Serena when she felt it appropriate to REPEATEDLY threaten a FEMALE line judge in 2009. Ask Clijsters how she felt when she got the same BS drama from Serena at match point.
@@GLInick ... why don't you think in this way as ... Allowing Rafa to change the shirt while he is losing is an injustice with his opponent who is MALE and not allowing it for women is justice with their opponents who are women only. So it is acutally extreme feminism
I like how everyone is pretending that men never get scolded for misbehaving and how everyone is completely ignoring the fact that male players also lost games for misbehaving... not mentionibg the fact that men get fined a lot more for misbehaving than women do
The Busby Babes your right, men do get penalized for their unsportsmanlike behavior, but they don’t get media coverage over it. That’s the difference
@@mercysimpson6066 oh no of course they dont, guess thats why no one remembers john mcenroe nowadays...
@@TheBusbyBabes The only difference is when a man does it it's wrong, but when a woman does it simps try to defend her.
@@TheBusbyBabes There will always be exceptional cases. That's why generalization exists. And when that generalized data is taken into account, yes, there are clear discrepancies in how women are portrayed in the media compared to men.
Trevor Noah clearly doesn’t know the rules of the game, he didn’t even mention the rules involving 3 accumulated penalties 🤦♂️
Soul Waffle he only inserts himself when it a race or gender thing, because apparently he's a black female
You clearly do not understand comedy. This is a great show. Congrats, Trevor
P W Yo mama jokes are obviously false, but it still(used to be) is funny, comedy isn’t supposed to get every fact right, that makes it stale.
@@siliosspi2210 comedy by hiding truth? Sorry this is not comedy. It's foolishness.
@@nurdvpn And there's the excuse every comedians hide behind when they state wrong facts. "I'm just a comedian, not a journalist".
They know they're more than that.
Sorry Trevor, this time I don’t agree with your comments. Serena lost it, and her behavior was very unsportsmanlike conduct against Naomi.
Right, google 'baseball meltdowns' and there are plenty of hits going back almost a decade.
This will sound bad, but I thought your profile picture was Trevor for a split second. You're wearing the same suit lol!
Still he's right that if a guy loses it, he should be punished accordingly ...and that's something not really done at this moment
But that discrepancy isnt due to sexism lol. Its due to the difference in the specific sports culture. Tennis is generally a posher sport, so that behaviour by serena is unacceptable. If a man loses it on a tennis court he gets the same treatment as she did.
It's called "unsportspeoplelike" these days.
My first dislike. With all due respect, you are wrong to compare the culture of different sports. Just because brawling is allowed in hockey doesn't mean it should be allowed in every sport. Serena Williams is not new to the sport of tennis. She should know better. I do find the coaching rule dumb, but it is a rule. It is obvious players should not break/abuse the racket. As for the verbal abuse. Even I got sick of it. Serena kept bad mouthing the umpire after the point penalty. The crowd got so riled up that at one point the focus of the match was no longer the sport, but Serena's tantrum. I stand behind the umpire. He is strict as fuck, but oh well...shit happens.
At this point of time, it feels like Trevor will literally go to any lengths to defend BLACK people even though they are visibly wrong. Idk feels biased
Agreed, Trevor always diggs real deep to find literally any slight difference between women and men or black people and white people.
Normally I agree with Trevor but even my sister and brother agreed Serena was out of line. It was bullshit, she insulted him
I mean he's liberal. What do you expect him to do other than this racist virtue-signalling??
i dont agree with trevor here but that is the point of between the scene. trevor just being himself, no script, stating his opinions on things. so of course he is going to be biased at some point
@@Haris-ze1jxI think there he is following a well written script because
*he talks about rules of the said game and obviously he has no clue what tennis is and how could he know about similar instances that happened in men's sport 🤨🤨
That's what happens when you have a sports champion who's bigger than the sport itself, like Serena: there is an hoard of people who know nothing about tennis taking her defense in a comical way.
Her coach made a mild violation. He was caught. Serena took it weirdly personally saying some really strange shit like "I'd rather lose than cheat, I'm a mother". She broke a racquet, thus committing a second violation. Finally, she insulted and threatened the umpire's job accusing him of being a thief.
Everything is on her and she was treated fairly. It happens in a player's career to have a bad moment like that.
The army that stood up to defend her just because she's popular is plain wrong, and Trevor is sadly part of that army.
This is perfect
@J Paterson And that's why you must be treated equally: three violations = game penalty.
Fognini and Kyrgios have been kicked out of tournaments for similar situations, but since this doesn't fit the narrative it's not told that much.
She found an umpire who is known for being quite harsh, she decided to go on with successive violations and she paid the consequences. Worst part is, in order to hide her unsportmanship behavior, she brought up the sexism card, undermining a battle for equality that goes on for centuries and it's far from ended, trivializing such an important topic.
You're just part of that army who defends her no matter what, I bet you barely watch or play tennis but you like Serena and feminism so you go on with comments like the one you just did: completely true but completely out of point.
Andre Fucking Woodley... The guy cries "racism" all the damn time. But, he's the champ, is a headliner, a MILLIONAIRE, gets on all the big cards, and is a commentator on both UFC TV shows. He has a Champ Camp, and has been cast in several movies. There's 450 fighters on the UFC roster, and they don't get a fraction of the shit Woodley gets.
J Paterson you are a royal idiot white men get penalized just the same way Serena was watch John McEnroe’s angry outbursts as an example and yes she set a bad example
@W t F Serena is a champion.
This is crazy. Carlos Ramos is a strict umpire who is strict towards both male players and female players. So for Serena to have a rant at him (when she was losing) and then claim that she was speaking out against sexism in tennis is plain baloney. Shame on her. Senior players should be setting a good example, not sinking to the lowest accepted standard of behaviour
Well I do love me some Serena! But she acted like a spoiled toddler and all the little girls who look up to her deserve better. Quit making excuses and woman up.
He wasn't being strict, he was following the rules, the sport is strict.
Tennis is not basketball. You don't know what you're talking about.
aha... you know everything...
Tell that to John McEnroe.
TNR - Nobody is defending McEnroe. Get a grip.
Mattia Piola oh no he’s black and has an accent he definitely knows things
@@m3h3disclick17 aha nba is just like tennis then...
"argument is coaching is not allowed during match"
it's like no book during exam
Yeah but apparently everyone does it in tennis even if it's against the rules
It's a bad comparison. Exam tests knowledge, sport skill.
I actually like that analogy
@omega omega so
Omega omega Nadal has had the same thing happen loads of times and dosent then smash his rackets and call the umpire a thief and use racism or sexism so shut up you idiot
A poor, biased, regrettable opinion delivered by Trevor. Or, I think it was just a rant, just like Serena's.
Kosmos de Kosmopoliet, not even for his president?
your still a brainwashed leftard huh?
amywhilson bo, who are you referring to?
Lmao just like everything that comes out of Trevor Noahs mouth
Is is a bad thing to be biased? You were biased while creating this comment. If you don't like his opinions, then why do you watch his videos? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm honestly curious.
The only correct thing Noah said was;
"I don't understand the rules in tennis."
I’m Black and Japanese, dude go back to Africa..
@@VibeinATLien Except, in every other sport, if you threathen a referee personally, you will recieve a penalty or will be tossed out of the game.
There is a big difference between tantrums, and attacking a referee.
Ludomir Steinbrück she didn't attack or threaten anyone
@@VibeinATLien She said some bad things to him, and she knows it, she said "others have said worse". Which is true, she herself threatend umpires on other occasions... She also threatened him, that he would lose his job. So there is THAT. How people can defend such behaviour? It's ridiculous.
There are many who don't understand the rules of the game, but I know Serena Understands.
Osaka outplayed Serena, end of story
Exactly. the hysterical diva just couldn't handle it and what a pathetic loser she turns out to be. The excuses from the media folks, and i cant believe Trevor Noah has joined them, are getting more and more ridiculous by the minute.
I find this all very disrespectful of Osaka
I was only young but I remember David beckham lashing out and kicking a player against Argentina in the World Cup - he was hated for months by the media and had efurgies of him hung in the street
England also hated him when he couldn’t win the World Cup. His own country! This Trevor dude’s an idiot
Diego Simeone who later admitted to have dived following Beckham's "kick".
What you told is not what happened.
Serena was given 2 warnings (that is 1 point penalty) for breaking the rules twice.
Then she repeatedly insulted the umpire in several different ways, and was rightfully punished with a game penalty for her verbal abuse.
That has nothing to do with passion.
Your story is a joke; your are in bad faith.
Serena was so passionate, she used her child as a trump card to justify her victimhood and played the female card in a match against a female.
Such immeasurable passion; only the likes of Trevor Noah, who's probably just as passionate, can understand and fathom.
I think his main point was about the media's reaction to the moment. We all know Serena was wrong, but the press exploded the situation, something they wouldn't do with a man. I don't watch tennis, but I'm assuming men get in situations like this and it doesn't make headlines, right? In most American sports, it's not headlining news for someone to yell at the empire/ref so it just seems odd that when Serena does it, the media makes it a leading story.
She's Oh c'mon now. You have the time to post a reply to a TH-cam comment but none to do some research?
Here, a record of John McEnroe's penalties for court misbehavior: www.deseretnews.com/article/171029/FOR-THE-RECORD-MCENROES-TANTRUMS-AND-FINES.html
That's for John McEnroe ALONE. Male, and also American.
"I'm assuming..." I don't even watch tennis myself but I fucking yawned. Please, for the love of sanity, stop taking Serena's side just because she's also black. There's just as much headlining news about Serena's tantrums as there are about Serena's loss being caused by sexism. This is turning-a-blind-eye-to-things-that-is-detrimental-to-my-agenda 101.
I don't think Trevor was saying that Serena was being passionate; I think his point is that the media has a tendency to frame anger as passion when the person is male vs hysteria when the person is female. It's a general point rather than one specific to this situation.
@@bellbanana I think it was more to do with any player of the sports, not a specific gender.
Serena was at fault here. Carlos Ramos is clearly the victim here. Think of it this way. Had it been a woman umpire and a male player would you draw the same conclusion? Ramos did his job. He did his job earlier this year when he penalized Djokovic for bouncing his racket (He didn't even break the racket). To people who are saying he should have offered soft warnings, I say this. The rulebook has a provision for soft warnings. That's why there are 3 stages of violations. The 1st one a warning, the 2nd one a warning and a point, and the 3rd one a game point. The punishment for consecutive violations get progressively harsh, which I think is fair. Her coach admitted to coaching her from the stands so she got the 1st warning. The 2nd warning and a point loss she got for breaking her racket, which again was a fair call. Now, the 3rd violation. Ramos could have announced that when Serena said "You are never going to be on my court ever again" (That's a threat, she is actually threatening to jeoperdize his career). He didn't. He could have awarded the 3rd violation when she said you are a "liar". He didn't. He could have done that when she agressively demanded that he apologized. He didn't. He announced the 3rd violation and the game when she called him a "thief". That's completely fair and for him to be painted a sexist for doing his job is a clear example of how some people twist these very serious words to their advantage.
I like people like you who actually think things through
You’re so eloquently spot on. Two thumbs up.
Well explained, great
Thank you finally someone who thought thinks through.
@@inase.6482 you can't even spell correctly. Just admit your a racist sexist and move on. You would give others countless excuses but Serena is attacked for any small thing she does. Hell you people just clicked on this video just to attack her.
I can't believe what I'm seeing here. I guess the main issue is that people are so ignorant about tennis, and just watch it when the US Open is on (in America, as French would only watch tennis when the French Open is on). In tennis we don't want people smashing rackets or talking shit to the umpire (by the way, in what world do we live today if we advocate for blatantly disrespecting other people and shouting at them...?). Tennis is a sport based on the curtesy of the players to each other and to the umpire.
Second, Serena knows the rules. She has been playing since forever. After getting the first warning - whether the warning was justified or not - she should have kept her cool and kept on playing, well knowing that breaking a racket would mean automatically losing a point. She has been known to return situations that were way worse (in terms of her being dominated by the opponent in the match) in her career, so she definitely has the grit and the nerves to keep her head cool in such situations. Instead of doing that, she went on and called the umpire a thief - which, by the way, no male or female tennis player does - and completely disrupted the match. This reminds me of the likes of Connor and McEnroe who were deliberately creating chaos on court in order to disrupt their opponents when they were behind in score.
Third, the sexism card. The referee, who has an exceptional track record as a great umpire in tennis, by the way, is also known to give no free pass to big tennis stars (no matter their gender). Novak Djokovic and Rafael Nadal have both been warned and punished by this umpire for breaking the rules. None of them made a scene or a fuss out of it. It is not a case of sexism. It is a case of a star that wants a free pass because usually it works. In tennis it's not about gender, it's more about your star status. Usually works (and it worked for Serena despite uttering death threats to umpires in 2009 and 2011) but not with this specific umpire. Not to mention Serena participating in a sexist and homophobic commercial against Amélie Mauresmo a couple years ago (great example of fighting for women rights).
I think her attitude was disgraceful and she spoiled the party for Naomi Osaka, who was idolizing her in the past. Fortunately she tried to make amend at the end and that is the only moment where she conducted herself like a true champion, something she should always do if she truly wants to be a role model.
Exactly, very well said
Thank god people still can use logic... Thank you my friend, best explanation so far. This is not about gender, colour or whatever, this is about behaviour.
He likes going on about the coach... And compares basketball with tennis... Coaches on the sideline are used in teamsports!
👍you got it right!
Serena is a childish hypocrite: she wants to be treated the 'same' without being treated the 'same', aka play against Men.
IF she is against sexism, fight against gender discrimination of the players: genderless classes.
Serena tried to play her 'Black Female" privilege card with the ref. It was denied.
Lol, you are comparing potato with oranges.
You comparing tennis with NBA, while it should been the judgement of conduct between men and women in the same sports.
If a man threw a tantrum in tennis sport his point would be deducted too.
Lazy Ninja that’s not what’s upsetting, what’s upsetting was how the media portrayed her actions.
@@mercysimpson6066 how else are you meant to portray someone verbally abusing an umpire and breaking a racquet?
Oh wait, people already do that with such things as the BLM riots, which most people tend to overlook the massive damages caused by calling them 'peaceful' or 'justified'
I can't believe they won't let my tutor help me during my exams. I mean tutor are supposed to tutor right. That's what they are there for.
Nishant Rawat Yeah, and then they got mad when I broke my pencil and ripped my paper in half in response.. It’s just so sexist that they said I had a meltdown.
It actual doesn't matter what travor or anyone things ..IF ITS AGAINST THE RULES ITS AGAINST THE FUCKING RULES
This is just a dumb comparison. Exam is testing knowledge, sport skill. Its not like a tennis coach can yell the right answer to serena thatll win her the game. Dotn be silly ppl, the fouls were uncalled for and she lost her temper becuase its only natural in a million dollar game. Too many neckbeards here pretending they would have kept their cool in that situation.
@Dolan Dark's child a rule often ignored by players and judges alike and concidered by many to be a silly rule, probably because its a silly rule. Cant use the "rules are rules" argument because what argument calls for is equal treatement for all based on rules, and this was clearly not that (as equal treatement would mean disqualifying all the other players who got coached during their games, a regular occurence). Your all riding the high horse pretending to be paragons of justice and law, when really you just wanna shit on someone succesfull and tell everyone how you have more patience and decorum than a professional athlete. Youd cry foul just as quickly and you know it.
@Dolan Dark's child now your just being mean. But shure she is usually cool with umpires because again, they dont usually make shitty rulings like this. Thats what made this a scandal. If that rule was enforced all the time it wouldnt be a problem.
This is the most biased bit trevor has ever done!!!
He's usually biased. If you haven't noticed by now then you must be biased too.
Trevor has a history of being very unbiased and making a habit of seeing things from multiple prospectives. I have seen Trevor criticize Obama, Hillary and other democrats. He criticizes Trump more but who wouldn't.
As for Serena Trevor may be biases just because he likes Serena and not just because she's black. The whole US Open crowd was behind her and agreeded with her and there were very few blacks there. Other tennis players agreed with her. Why can't it be because she is Serena and not just because she is black.
Early in Serena's career whenever she played at the US open the crowd cheered for the opposing players. Press from other countries used to say stuff like ' This is different from our country. The crowd at the French Open would be cheering for the French players.
You'd have to count a lot. The guy is a fucking SJW hack.
Biased? Ofc it is. Personal opinions are biased dumbass. That’s the point.
Yall missing the point!! It’s not Serena v Osaka, he’s talking about sexism in sport!!!
Serena took her frustrations of being beat by Osaka out on the chair umpire. She insulted him and called him names. Men do in fact get penalized for what they say to the chair umpires and how they behave on court. Trevor, you're getting it wrong. The men do get penalized and punished. There is no double standard in tennis. Please don't jump on this bandwagon of false sexism.
Robert Thornton stop making this a Naomi vs Serena thing. Naomi and Serena are super friendly with each other didn’t you watch the game? Serena supported her throughout the booing and Naomi even said in her press conference that she looks up to her and that she was super nice to her. They even hugged each other at the end. It’s Serena Williams vs the Umpire stop changing the real story.
I agree I just read a comment article that guys are more punished in tennis than women. So yeah everyone should be punished equal, right Serena?
She did not call him any names.
she didn't call him names, she got the Verbal Abuse code violation for the part of the rule that says you get the violation if you imply dishonesty. From the Grand Slam Rulebook: "For the purposes of this Rule, verbal abuse is defined as a statement about an official, opponent, sponsor, spectator or other person that implies dishonesty or is derogatory, insulting or otherwise abusive."
She called him a liar and a thief, which is far past implying dishonesty, therefore she got the violation.
Qui ingreditur viam prudentiae What shit happened? You act like she murdered the dude. You’re making this into a bigger deal than it really is.
Yall sayin he's defending Serena, yall miss the whole point. Hes talking about the equality between man and woman, no relation of her doing and Osaka.
wrong
No Ramos did his damn job and Serena bullied him for it . This has nothing to do with sexism
Daddy Deadpool bullshit! It’s unfair treatment.
US OPEN 2018 FINES FOR CODE VIOLATION
Men - 23
Women - 9 ( including 3 given to Serena)
People should know when not to cry " Wolfffff....!!" 🙄
Agreed, not to mention people quoting McEnroe which is not modern tennis back then racial bias was allowed.
I think you’ve got these stats wrong
It’s 86 for men and 22 for women.
Source: twitter/christophclarey
sabriele May be Sabriele.. I am not sure...
This is my source.. a leading daily in India
www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/understanding-serena/article24918593.ece
Thanks for sharing..
Good day 😊
+sabriele That makes it even more clear
Funny how there's now insulting saturday morning political cartoons about those 23 violations.
I am a tennis fan and in this case the ref did just what he would do in any other match with male players. Tennis isn't any other sport, tennis isn't the NBA, it has its own rules that ARE more strict and players (men and women) do get penalized more for behavior like breaking a racket and insulting a ref. That's normal. That's tennis.
So no, in this case this has absolutely nothing to do with gender or a sexist ref and the discussion about it is very silly for everyone that only knows a little bit about tennis. It's important that gender-issues are discussed. But unfair attacks like this that are made without knowing the facts aren't helping, they are helping the other side.
So in other words, tennis expects that humans can see far ahead like eagles. Strict? More like delusional.
I don't know much about tennis, I watch is sometimes. But I think every sport has it's own rules and it's own culture and history. And I feel like tennis is a sport where there's some class to be expected on the court, I mean there are some outbursts of course, that's not what I mean. But I know that players sometimes get penalties for shouting to distract an opponent. I feel like it's a sport where rules are there for a reason - to focus on the game and to have it look professional. if there's no coaching rule, then there's no coaching rule.
Plus tennis is a mental game, if you're losing and you can't stay focused, you won't be able to win. And she just lost it completely there. Like, one penalty in the final match and she's absolutely distracted! And now she's the victim?? No.
@Viqala
Plus tennis is a mental game, so we can dish out senseless punishments just to mess with the players even when its the actions from another person - how tennis is illogical versus other sports that have evolved for the better!
Emerald Mara85 I'm not sure about the rules so I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything or act like I know things, but I trust that he probably followed the existing rules, I don't know how they're worded. It may be a case of a strict judge but then again, she's the player, she's not new to this, she knows the rules and her coach knows them too, bending the rules is no excuse. and jumping out with sexism just looks low. Unless there's proof of this particular ref acting differently towards male and female players, it's bullshit
@Viqala
Sexism part seems more like the reaction to Serena Williams who is angry over a stupid rule just like every other player which lots of people let male players rage slide. I'm arguing why this kind of stupid rule even exists and that people should take logic over blindly following the rules like the fool. After all, at one point it was a rule that colored people(and women) couldn't play tennis at all. So rules doesn't mean its right or everything has to be followed.
From my perspective, honestly she was in the wrong. She got a minor penalty for her coach using signals, which he admitted to later. It doesn't matter if she looked or not, it's still against the rules, and it was a very minor penalty. Smashing your racket into the ground is where the first big penalty came into play; you don't do that. Other men have done it, and guess what, got the same penalty. People all the time yell and treat the officials/refs like crap. But it came off to where instead of using profanity she instead called him a liar and a thief. He literally was letting her treat him like shit and piss and moan until she said those things and had enough of it, and penalized her for it. This is THE strictest umpire in the sport who is also well respected and you treated him like crap and called him a thief and a liar... What exactly did you expect though?
Totally agree! Not only in tennis, but also in many sports including football. Even now any provocative celebrations would be given yellow card. Crying sexism? Oh, please....
It should be a joyful moment for Naomi Osaka, until the stupid crowd starts booing & she become the saddest-looking grand slam winner. Poor girl...
but that has nothing to do with her, she didn't see or know shit
Blue No one is saying she’s right. But people are saying others don’t get penalized for the same or worse behavior. That’s what. Please, please, please, argue the same point, not a different one.
Jan Thorne except they do. The very same umpire has given penalties to Nadal, Djokovic, Andy Murray, and may other top male players all in major tournaments. Plus guys have lost finals because of game penalties as well. Grigor Dimitriov lost finals in the 2016 Istanbul open with a game penalty.
Oh yea one of the penalties was from a guy saying “stupid umpiring” which is nothing compared to being directly called a liar and a thief. So yea he has called penalties for less.
I agree. She lost it. I felt bad for Osaka. How shocked she must have been to see a player who she has admired for so many years lose it. She could not even celebrate in front of the cameras like she wanted to. Just my opinion
1. If men do that in the NBA its the same drama. Remember Chris Paul and that female Ref. she called shit, paul said it and then he was suddnely a hardcore sexist.
2. Serena didn't just get emotional, she handled herself in a very disgraceful way and disrespected the referee, her opponent and the sport as a whole in this situation. This had nothing to of with sexism. If the coach in the nba disbehaves, he gets a technichal and the other team a freethrow and the ball. Its the same in every sport.
3. To say every athlete plays there best against serena is totally stupid. Every athlete gives 100% every competion, especially if they want to be succesfull. Stop making up excuses, or lift ordinary people higher just because they are US. She is an excellent Tennis players, but there are alot of them.
Disrespected the sport? She’s literally one of three tennis players known by non fans. She’s the reason they make half the money they make in the women’s bracket
That umpire have a history of doing the same thing to both men and women players. Is not about being sexist or not id the umpire is really strict.....
He's not really strict, he's following the rules. The sport of tennis is really strict, but other umpires don't do what they are supposed to do, now the one person doing their job, is being called strict and sexist.
wrong he tossed out men before stop the BS
Raizel Shadez Waste of time... These guys have one idea and wont change. They can see the truth but that truth is not what they want...
@unbiased bro how about you look it up
@@lamario yes yes absolutely and Serena William's ego is jus inflated cuz ppl make her believe that she is some mesiah to represet women and blacks ppffft
Can't we all just agree that this is Osakas fault? If she would have played worse and just let Williams win, this would never have happened.
Bagul TheCruel No, you idiot, Osaka 100% deserved that win.
(And here comes the horde coming to attack me, so I’m just gonna get my r/wooosh ready here)
Doy K he's being sarcastic ...
Wooooooosh
boy oh boy so many intelligent species on earth
to All hate commentors! sarcasm everybody, goggle it
Didn't coach come out saying, "Yes, I did provide coaching [paraphrased]"?
yes
but she didn't see it so she was a little angry about it.
It's not about that..there is no fight whether she talked with the coach..the fight is why was she docked points and not the other players that did it
You conveniently omitted the last part of the coach's sentence. I see what you are doing. 👎🏾
+Ngom F does it matter though that he said "all coaches coach?" He was coaching but she didn't see, what she was upset about is that she got penalized for his actions even though she didn't participate.
Ag dude you really became a puppet of your own success. It's sad for me as a proud South African to see this guy becoming one of his own jokes
this guy is an absolutely unfunny moronic clown who I don't know why still gets watched by the public
hypocrite of the highest level
He's made a terrible analysis and mistake here. However, no need to bash him
The views are liberal, the show is liberal, they cater for liberals.
pro-biden
pro-hillary
pro-obama
pro-lgbt
pro-abortion
pro-feminism
pro-democrats
pro-free health care
pro-defund the police
they just go with the liberal flow. they know that 90 percent of their viewers would leave if they state anything contrary to the dogma.
@@rexelrydo8908 or... that’s what Trevor actually believes
@@rexelrydo8908 are you saying it’s bad to be pro lgbt? If so, what did they do to you?
- In 2017 at the French Open, Novak Djokovic was given a fault on his serve by Carlos Ramos for time violations. He then received a code violation for unsportsmanlike conduct after yelling.
- In 2018 at Wimbledon, Ramos gave Djokovic a code violation for slamming his racquet into the ground. Djokovic later complained about a double standard from Ramos, who did not penalize Kei Nishikori for something similar.
- In 2017 at the French Open, Ramos called a time violation on Rafael Nadal. Nadal thought the call was selectively enforced and said he was not satisfied with it.
- In 2016 at the French Open, Ramos called Nick Kyrgios for a code violation for yelling at a towel boy. Kyrgios accused Ramos of having a double standard and was described as “mystified” by the penalty.
- In August 2016 at the Olympics, Ramos called Andy Murray for a code violation for saying “stupid umpiring.”
- In July 2017, Ramos called Andy Murray for a time violation for playing too slowly. Murray acknowledged he had been warned before receiving the violation but was still bothered by it.
Sexism intensifies.
But was any of these a game point being taken away during a match defining moment?
Defining moment or not it was after 2 violations... She didn't have to continue.
Love ur facts... But people that disagree with don't care about facts at all.
All of us have an opinions, but the consensus of the majority from audience members and professional tennis players is the ump took it too far with the game point. I'd say those are the experts in this situation.
@@limitlessNee the game penalty is not the umpires decision, there is a penalty regime. The third violation always results in a game penalty
Sorry Trevor but you'rw wrong on thi one. Serena was way out of line. I felt so bad for Osaka.
Same, her win is overshadowed because someone couldn't take that fact that they're losing again... This is why we have a thing call professionalism and sportsmanship.
She DID get coaching, and she SAW the signals from her coach, otherwise how would she know about the thumbs up signal she mentioned in her speech to the umpire right after receiving the code violation for coaching?
Her coach had his thumbs up while moving his hands to the front (meaning "go Forward, go to the net" Everybody in tennis knows that), he also nods to Serena as acknowledgement, watch the video.
The umpire told her nothing about the signals.
So, HOW DID SHE KNOW? For God's sake!
She SAW it, and after getting penalized she tried to turn the tables on him.
vivek allu A thumbs up is not coaching. Just how stupid are you? Seriously! Pllllllleeeeeeease go and read something. Buy a 📰 newspaper! Read the words on your cereal boxes! Something!!!
coach admitted to it.
There was no thumps up, did you watch the match ? The coach was giving a signal to change her strategy to go to the net as she was getting outplayed at the baseline.
Jordan Wright Why are you even commenting when you didn’t watch the match and don’t have a clue about the rules of tennis? 😂
Jordan Wright
He is correct, so the question is ‘how stupid are you?’ The answer: extremely.
Wow trevor, its almost like you dont have a clue what you are talking about...
Not the first time, dude talks so much bullshit that’s why so many people love him. They’re sheep
@@johnsoapmactavish9921 trevor's great, this is the only time i've seen him talk shit
@@cyandamadlala9610 Every time I’ve heard Trevor talk about stuff either he has no idea what he’s talking about or makes absolutely no sense. Not that I’ve heard him talk too much. They should just stick to roasting Trump, the dude’s hilarious whether you’re laughing with or at him, like a living joke
I think when Trevor is on this show he is positioned to say these things. He is really smart and i think he knows the truth of what happened there.
@@opium42069 LMAOO you’re joking right? Are you trolling? Or are you falling for his SJW bullshit
This kind of behavior should not be accepted whether its McEnroe or Williams, Lebron or whoever. When soccer players bounce or smash the football in protest, they receive a yellow card, no matter their race or gender. When they threaten the referee they get a red card and are fined. What people should be really talking about is how well Osaka played! She deserves the win.
It's frustrating when people like this who don't know tennis nor the rules of tennis, much less the actual order of events that took place during the match, start making uninformed opinions and thus getting it all wrong and just creating noise. This bandwagon nonsense ads to an incorrect narrative created by Serena at the expense of an umpire who was doing the right thing according to the rules of tennis in order to cover up what was fundamentally very bad behavior. Sexism exists and is a problem, but let's be smart regarding when to apply the term.
and makes jokes about it as if he does have an authority or full understanding of it.
Right?? the balls.
Legit question: Was John McEnroe criticized as harshly in the public sphere or was it just "part of his nature" and brushed off?
Serena Williams will be known as the GOAT. John McEnroe will be/is known for being the temper tantrum player. You tell me.
kkt2004 The fans loved McEnroe for the same reasons the officials hated him... his meltdowns and his embarrassingly unprofessional behavior.
Maybe he would have been criticized more if he had made the claim that he is not at fault but everyone is just racist and sexist. 😂
He's absolutely clueless. Youare right. And I am South African. Please don't hold it against us. We have shady car salesmen and other con artists like this, but we aren't all this way. He's not even funny. I find hiims very offensive and always have. Even before he made it to the US. Our comedians are way betterthan him. Comedy and satire is a respected artform ion our country. This.... he is just not that much. He's a fantastic sock puppet. That is all.
This was not sexism. Serena just had a meltdown and tried to pull the mom card, the woman card, and superstar card...too bad. Didn’t work. Deserved to lose
As much as I respect you Noah, you are totally wrong on this case.
Trevor is a mouthpiece for PC, inoffensive comedy that refuses to have a mind of its own or take a controversial stance on an issue or an influential individual like Williams who could endanger his job
I feel like he was saying this just to be nice to a black woman so people would like him. as much as I like Trevor Noah, occasionally I do think he says stuff to appear righteous which I don't like but hey, he's not perfect. no one is.
Trevors the kinda guy who's totally biased but tries damn hard to come off as unbiased as possible but hey thats just me.
After this, I have no respect for Trevor
@@brown3651 dont worry dude he doesn't even know u
The thing about tennis in coaching is that you cannot coach MID-MATCH as it gives players a unfair advantage as the coach gets a broader strategic view of things and can shift match into favor not using the players own intuition. This does not mean the coach does not coach outside of matches hence why they are called coaches. Also if you have played tennis having a coach give the other team strategy is seemingly unfair as they can figure people out easily most of the time. Also tennis has a certain ettiquite in which I sometimes interfere with but smashing a racquet is the epitome of poor class in the sport, which made it seem she actually lost it. Also guys do get penalized just as women do, racquet abuse is a regular penalty. And lastly Osaka was overshadowed by Serenas controversy in her first grandslam which is just sad, as we don't know if she was crying because of grief or happiness at times.
thanks for the no data u provided. Knowing trevor can't go on air without having some knowledge of truth or he would be sue'd. So back up ur shit or imma just leave it as ur just talking shit out ur ass.
@@14ghostdragon yeah, only Trevor can talk without providing any evidence to support his claims! /s
Vanitas yep because he would most definitely get sue'd, for spreading misinformation without stating or retracting it. He doesn't have to give evidence btw, he already has it. It's just if hes proven wrong hes in trouble, so he has to always make sure its correct or my first statement would happen. A random youtube comment has no issue saying false things, thus needs evidence lol
@@14ghostdragon By who? Who would sue him in this situation?
Vanitas maybe not sued but definitely called out in the media while here you can spew anything that comes to mind without concerned of being fact checked
This dude lost all credibility with this speech. Zero knowledge in the area he is talking about. Do some research first. Pathetic and not funny one bit. Does not know how code violations work in tennis, does not operate actual statistics, and on top of that mocks a sport for its rules. Rude and salty.
Alexandra Y This is the tip of the iceberg of his ignorance. He’s been bad
Alexandra Y So go outside and yell at football fans for their hot new helmet rule.
Tennis is a not a very watchable sport to a large chunk of sports fans and it is on par with golf for pretentious rules. They really need to take themselves less seriously.
+alexandra true, absolutely well said.
Qui - who cares? still an non important thing
"I'm a mother... say you're sorry, say it..." She was way out of line.
Yea how about "I am a mother so Ill respectfully disagree with you and not lose my temper" like wtf.. Mothers should show an example how to act respectfully right? What am I missing :')
IamZani yeah! STFU and get this tennis game over with I'm tired af
Clear case of getting woke. She cant play the race card so instead will play the sex card, how about you play the fucking game and win fairly and respectfully
Of course he left that part out, the more Noah has gotten comfortable the more his true colors are showing, and the less I want to hear him
She is a mother soooo? and the umpire did act like he was giving her a soft warning sooo? She isn't out of line for demanding an apology. She is a mother and she has an example to set for her child. If you feel you have been wrong you demand an apology. Simple as that.
" The guys did it too" Oh ok, my friends stole a candy bar so that allows me too do it too. Its a rule man. Doesn't matter who does it
and the most riddiculous part is that: yeah, guys did it too! and with THIS umpire they got penalised... this dude literally penalized rafa nadal, djokovic and andy murray in the past, three of the best tennis players of this generation
Trevor - you got this wrong. Stop playing along with the victim card mentality. Serena is known to be a bad sport. She is a bad loser. She lost out on that record title of being the best all time woman's player with the most wins - Court is still at the top and that pissed Serena off that it got snatched away by Osaka, so she blames the umpire for her bad behaviour. Osaka dominated her from the start and Serena has passed her peak, a new generation tennis player has surpassed Serena - these things happen.
You dumb as fuck Serena would destroy court Any day.being the best is not based on grand slams only but overall achievements and talents. Court did a great job but she's nothing like the greatest player. U are clearly delusional and stupid tennis is not only about single grand slams.
Serena losing a game means she is suppressed?? Get the fuck out of here u dumb ass. Serena was losing games long before this not the first tournament she lost. Incase u missed the point she said she wants to lose fairly. There are many games were Serena could have won Over 24 grand slams were she got cheated and did nothing. She's standing up for herself u fucken idiot.
Tennis is an individual sport, which is about mentality as much as physicality. You have to be on your own, figuring out ways to get out of troubles, ways to tear down and attack the weakness of your opponent. On court, all by yourself. It’s the beauty of the game. Also, Federer once said if coaching is allowed, rich players who have more financial ability can hire better coach, which is unfair. And Federer is the richest of them all...
This! thank you * claps *
It's the same for fencing, but it's not technically against the rules for your instructor to be saying things. At competitions parents/coaches/friends can be yelling over the crowd at you, telling you how to fence. The point of training is to do it before the match. Everything that happens during then is the fruit you reap from your hard work, or lack thereof.
Good point. Of course not many will listen, the leftist racial and gender bias narrative will always be attractive to people, because hey!, drama sells.
I'm just gonna say Boxing and MMA and just leave.
Ok..let's dock points for the dudes that talk to their coaches too
In any sport yelling at the ref gets you penalized. End of story. And then she had to go out and say the umpire was sexist. How? By applying the rules? By taking a decision that ultimately benefits another woman? I don't care that Serena lost it - it happens. But don't double down by telling publicly the umpire is sexist for doing his job. For all I care, she stole poor Osaka's spotlight - her moment of glory forever ruined by the sports version of a Kanye jumping on stage ...
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Nope. I am a football/soccer ref. If the coach argues too much, he can be send away from the field. Only exception: youth league and the coach is the only legal guardian for the children around (away game). Then I can't send him away, but I will make it clear that his behaviour will still be noted and that a sport court will hold him accountable later. If he refuses to go, I suspend the game until he leaves, or if it takes too long (max. suspension time is roughly 30 minutes), I end it completly. A sport court will then decide on the result, usually it's a 0:3 loss (unless the score was already worse), and he will face a personal fine.
In other sports (that see themselfs as a "gentleman sport", it's completly off limits to argue at all with the ref). In fact, most sports have trouble to find enough people willing to volunteer as a referee, because of all the verbal and sometimes physical attacks they get. So give this ref a break.
I feel like a lot of people missed the point here.
And that is?
that men and women are judged differently in sports? this premise, and thus the point, are invalid.
Personally I do not think that this has much to do with men and women being treated differently, but much more with the tolerance of the specific umpire.
During the 2012 US Open final, Umpire Eva Asteraki accepted to be called "unattractive inside" and other insults by Serena, probably because she did not want to interfere with play.
On the other hand, Umpire Carlos Ramos is known not to take any shit from players. A couple of years back (I think in 2017) he gave an official warning to Novak Djokovic for a hand gesture. Most umpires would probably let him get away with it, but Carlos Ramos would not.
Taking this into account, I think it is fair to say that this umpire actually does treat men and women equally. I don't want t to deny that there are a lot of areas (also within professional sports) where there absolutely is a problem concerning unequal treatment of men and women, but taking this umpire's action as an example for gender inequality is utter nonsense in my eyes.
Sam T
The fact that Serena’s image is inevitably distilled through the color prim :)
Trevor is smart, but I think he made some false premises for his jokes, and maybe pushed too far on this particular issue.
But just think about how Serena’s body is perceived by some media. (She has the body of a man.....she’s not even a woman...).
And there is also a little bit of that « black woman angry = dangerously hysterical ».
The point is he takes her side because she's black and a liberal feminazi.
you compare apples with oranges. basketball and tennis are totally different sports each with their distinctive rules. for example, in ice hockey the players can hit each other, that doesnt mean a golf player can do that on a golf course. in tennis, man get punished equally for smashing the tennis racket, verbally abusing etc. so your argument doesnt apply to this situation.
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why is it people say you can't compare apple with oranges? You totally can. They both are fruits.
Besides! It was about a sportswoman getting emotional! So shouldn't punish someone for getting emotional.
@@pouria1997 i agree with you that you shouldnt punish someone for being emotional. However, that isnt the point either. If you get a ticket for speeding, dont insult the policeman- his job is it to give you a ticket. Complain later to the politics to change the law.
serena should and has been punished for verbal abuse, for receiving coaching which is on tape and addimitted by her coach and smashing the racket as well. 3 violations
The thing is, what you do in other sports and actually in tennis also but with other players, you let the player have his moment of frustration. After punishing her, he should have let her be angry and just let it out. Normally for most cases that's it and the player stops being loud and disrespectful! He poked her again and again. That's like wanting her to be angry. Not illegal just unprofessional
This man is showing his bias here!
I’ve been playing competitive tennis at a national level for a while now, and the rules of penalties are very clear and Serena definitely knows them. Coaching (which the coach later openly admitted in a post-match interview), smashing a racket, berating the ref are all penalizable offenses, and each additional offense increases the penalty (warning, point penalty, game penalty, match default, in that order). Every player is taught to treat the refs respectfully in tennis and to yelling at and insulting the ref is a major nono in tennis unlike in other sports like football or basketball, for better or for worse. While refs may be more lax at the bigger stages, but the rules still stand. This is not a sexist issue at all, but rather Serena overreacting when a rule that isn’t usually invoked at such a big stage was. She has a habit of doing this, including in past US Opens when she was penalized for footfalting (another penalty not usually invoked at the big stage) and went on to berate the referee. That’s my two cents, coming from the perspective of a fellow tennis player.
When it comes to important things, like trump, they lie just as much
First off, can we not make this political?
Back to the topic, I agree. Sportsmanship rules vary by sport, and this has to do with the sports origin and history. I just wrote a tldr comment on it, so I'm too lazy to repeat.
Anywhom, tennis rules, especially for sportsmanship, have always been clear. This is a game where you can get I. Trouble AFTERWARDS for not showing proper sportsmanship, so I think Serena was well aware of how those rules can be treated by some refs.
That said, I don't fault Serena, she got emotional it happens. She got punished. That's how it works, no need to make a big deal. Instead everyone should give naomi the props she deserves for winning a slam.
She thinks because of who she is she's an exception to the rule.
@@josev7417
Well, that's just part of her personality. She's a very passionate person, and it shows in her tennis. It's part of her playstyle, and it's also why she has done some of the things she has.
I don't mind it, I can of like it. But she will get in trouble, and she knows this. She's had things like this before. Especially when she was younger. So I really don't think it's a big deal. People get more lad in much less important scenarios. I mean, cut someone off in traffick and they'll be more mad than Serena playing in an international final of one of the most competitive sports in the world.
P.S
Good for Naomi! She deserves it, and I hope she uses this to build some momentum(the win, not the ref thing.)
PS, went ahead and subbed Josh, good luck with your channel!
Tennis does have an etiquette you have to follow though unlike other sports
Unlike?
Can you name a sport that allows or doesn't penalize unsportsmanlike conduct??
@@gintokisakata247 American Football and Rugby is basically head charging into one another.
Also, tennis does not involve physical contact, unlike football/rugby/many team sports
Thus, rules in tennis are considerably different from conventional team sports.
@@siddharthbanerjee4571
Volleyball? Golf? Track & Field? Chess? Badminton? Swimming?
Those are some Non-contact sports like Tennis. Do they not have "etiquette" to follow and allow unsportsmanlike conduct??
@@gintokisakata247
I'm pretty sure that the person with the original comment was referring to contact sports like football and rugby, and might have overlooked sports like swimming.
The point you make about the other non contact sports also having etiquette also holds true. It's probably just that none of these sports have had major issues of disorderly conduct by someone who is considered at the pinnacle of the game, like Serena. (Or at least none that come to mind)
All competitive sports have etiquette, rules and regulation, even full body contact sport like MMA, Muay Thai, Kickboxing or boxing.
Even in relatively rambunctious sports like snow hockey, there are rules so that player dont murder each other on the field, lax rules is also form of rules and etiquette.
Serena owes the umpire, Carlos Ramos, and her adversary, Naomi Osaka, an apology. She was being bested and loosing control of the game and that led to losing control of her temper. Playing the "woman" card and the "mother" card was tottaly unjust, uncalled for and bellittles the gender equality movement. She rained on Naomi's party and that was shamefull. Serena should be suspended until making a public appology both to the umpire and the adversary.
As for Trevor's show, I love him but in this case he was ill informed and I dont agree with his assessment. Serena was not a victim, coaching is a penalty in tennis and is in the rules, she was point penalized on the third warning for berating the umpire and calling him a "thief" and a "liar" while she threw a tantrum.
And anyone who screams discrimination should try and find any other player, male or female, who got away with this kind of behaviour in a Carlos Ramos match. Good luck with that...
The moment when Trevor presents altertative facts....
That´s my main sadness with this clip... It´s a Trump level of reality...
And he has every "right" to do so.. it's reporting. And also His show
@@dwyaneohmar9418 why criticise smth and then make exactly the same?
@@dwyaneohmar9418 it's actually a media responsibility to provide accurate information. He can't just spread misinformation because it's "his show"
Not the first time. I was a fan of the show but I stopped watching a while back when Trevor mocked some policeman that intervened and shot a dude after their bodycams became dislodged during the struggle. Trevor mocked them mercilessly for having bodycams "dislodged" like that doesn't happen.
Turns out the man was armed, the scene was filmed by passer-bys, we had audio and video. Did he ever say "I'm sorry"? Issue a retraction? Correction?
How many people think Officer X is guilty of blatant racism because he never bothered to correct the issue?
3.5 million subs gives you a bit of responsibility. If you can't take it, make a show about peaches and leave news alone. You can be funny and not report (poorly) on inflammatory issues.
What I'm saying is, this is the rule rather than the exception. This isn't a cool look at the situation, and it's not even a funny bit so he has the excuse of just joking around. This is an opinion piece that he publishes simply because he likes Serena for reasons I am not going to speculate against.
sigh... late night show hosts always seem to be so intelligent until they start talking about something you're really familiar with...
Rather it's just more pandering to whatever their agenda is, just highlights it...
Exactly what I was thinking. Made me re-think about all the other issues he talks about.
You deserve more likes
Hey guys, this was a Behind the Scenes. Its him giving his own opinion which wrong, Carlos is strict with everyone. He followed the rules. Serena knows the rules. She was really bad here. About the other topics that he speaks. Its not his arguments, its the logic and analysis of the writers backstage. He might have 20 people doing research and jokes, So all he says should be taken correctly except for the Behind the Scenes.
No it's you personal bias , hes not less intelligent because you disagree with him, you guys just dont see eye to eye
Trevor! only video; I don't agree with you. Yes, everyone should be punished per the rules and the players know it.
That is what he said, completely.
@@elhior23 no
@@yvesormal3535 I am curious I must have missed it. Quote what he said then that makes you think he wants the players to be treated differently?
@@elhior23 let me correct myself. he said men and women are NOT treated the same in tennis, when they actually are. If a male player does what Selena did that game he get the same punishement
@@yvesormal3535 oh okay then sure we can agree that is what he said I just do not agree with your idea that they already are. cheers mate.
I was responding to the op. trevor did say they should be treated the same. either way don't care to have an argument with you obviously men and women are treated differently in sports, just youtube search tennis blowups to see how commentators talk and how the media deals with it and how the refs treat the players. it is not rocket science you don't need to study it it is pretty damn clear.
Just has many other Serena fans, I think Trevor is too biased on this and failed to give a fair assessment on what happened. As others already mentioned in the comments below, and very well, the umpire simply followed the rules, which by the way, he seems to be very strict about.
Serena started her drama by lying and demanding the umpire to apologize. Well, later her coach admitted that he did coach her during the game so she should have accepted the warning and played the game, which by the way, she lost fair and square. At the end, it was sad that she shadowed the brilliant victory her opponnent had in this Open and, unfortunatelly, no proper credits were given to the winner.
How US to prefer aggression over sportsmanship. Trevor has really settled in to his new country.
iqueque hahaha
Totally agreed.
Sad but true...never disagreed more with Trevor than now...and it's on every American newsstation. Yet the rest of the world saw is different. Also, McEnroe has been disqualified in the Australian open for far less....that's a fact
iqueque
I am from the U.S. a Lot of us have had it with athletes showing poor sportsmanship
and complaining about how “unfair” everything is.
Trevor the real "African American" even sounds american lost touch with his roots
Is there a rule against coaches working with their players from the stands? Is there a rule against smashing ones racquet during play? Is there a rule against harassing a line judge, and making offensive comments? If the answer to these things is ‘yes’, she lost, and did so in a horribly amateur way.
What makes this difficult is that most every player gets some coaching on the sly, but it is rarely called out. The smashing, yeah, that was justified. And other players have said worse to a judge but not gotten a penalty. So, you can really go either way. Not as clear cut as one might think.
Absolutely. It was so unprofessional she should be glad that she wasn’t punished more harshly. If she wasn’t Serena Williams, no one would think of defending her.
Actually it is. People are blaming the ref of sexism form actually upholding the rules. Just because the majority of refs are lax, doesnt mean this particular ref, who has a history of being a very strict ref, has to be too. This ref is consistent in his strictness, therefore no sexism here.
@@rgwak Depends on the leniency of the judge that's just how it is, he was fair till she throw a tantrum
@@hauptmann25 exactly people who has never kicked a ball or held a racket are defending her, they don't know sports and its rule
No. She was treated EXACTLY the same as that particular umpire treated men doing the same thing. Those men saying the were treated more leniently weren't doing it with the same official.
THAT is the difference. It has nothing to do with race or gender, as Williams tried to portray it.
No1sonuk exactly
Funny everyone ignored your comment, when it's the exact truth!
No1sonuk it’s more about how the media treated the whole situation and even her fellow tennis players defended her.
A rule is a rule, no matter how ridiculous it is, as long as everyone agrees to follow it. She broke the rule and got punished and lost it. Does she think she should be above the rule, like the orange baby in the oval office?
The arguement wasnt about if she feels she was above the rules it that he took a game fr her because she called him a thief whilst other Male players have said worse things to umpires bit not being punished at all. So it implies that most Male players are most likely to be let off compared to their female counterparts.
@@arimoku972 YES, male athletes throw huge tantrums and never get any consequences for it.
yes they do, you must not watch must tennis
Were the other male players that did worse do it while specifically this referee was chosen for the game? This referee has a long history and I can't think of asingle example that you can find that this specific referee let one pass. He always follows the rules completely and he is not forced to be leniant as the other referees. It's the choice of the individual referee how string he will be and this one was consistant with both male and female players.
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If it was sexism, why are the chair umpires which also include women are considering boycotting her matches? Could it be her lack of grace and verbal abuse they are sick of? Why not also talk about how when Roger Federer loses to an unseeded player he would lose gracefully. Osaka played brilliantly and won fair and square and this outburst had to overshadow her wonderful achievement.
Don't you think it's funny the umpires even came to that decision? Serena sells the tickets. People don't go to watch the umpires. It's a male power struggle. Men have said worse to referees, but never any talk of boycott
The chair umpires also include women. Serene sells the tickets does not excuse her behavior. Roger Federer and Ralph Nadal sell more tickets than her and they don't behave in a way where chair umpires would consider boycotting their matches. Using sexism when you're caught breaking rules is a real lack of grace. In this match, Osaka was a real champion and full of grace.
@@NotElonMuskk sure, there are women refs. I'm willing to bet they are in the minority, I'd be hard pressed if they made up 30% of the refereeing body. While Federer is a class act, Nadal is also known for throwing a tantrum or 2. Serena doesn't have to be at her best all the time, the referees job is to manage the situation and he failed at that. I honestly don't see why people are up in arms about this. What Serena has done for women's tennis won't be replicated any time soon. He acting up is way over due.
Here's the data: www.nytimes.com/2018/09/14/sports/tennis-fines-men-women.html. The data shows men have more outbursts but have not gotten away with it more. Serena was called out by Carlos Ramos for breaking a tennis rule like he does with every player, it's well documented. Serena's own coach admitted to coaching. This is no way to react when you're caught breaking the rules. Just take the deduction gracefully and carry on like an adult. Billie Jean King and Steffi Graf also moved women's tennis forward but never used it as an excuse to act disgracefully.
@@NotElonMuskk the same data that Serena's husband is using to school the NY times on statistics? They still haven't responded to him. Men play more rounds of tennis, outbursts raw numbers are gonna be high. So the raw numbers doesn't say much.
Serena was getting her ass beaten. Osaka had beaten her before. People forget that. So in her fustration Serena lashed out at everything. She played the female card, then victim card, then race card any card she could come up with. But bottom line she was out played. A sore loser is a sore loser. She knows the rules. She doesn't like the rules in tennis then go play golf. As for Trevor Noah stirring up the race card is just sad.
Serena has ALWAYS been a terrible loser. I played tennis. I am very into Tennis, and I love Venus, but Serena is an absolute JERK and is a bad influence for kids. She's so bad that she'll continually complain about the refeering, the conditions, her own injuries in interviews afterwards. I've never seen her say she just got outplayed.
@@jenbcamping yet people don't see it. People think when you are famous you can be a jerk to the empire and your opponent. Terrible person are terrible person, gender won't change a dim. I can't even used the word diva, or else people will say I am sexist.
I'm a girl so I think I should be able to get away with calling her a Diva. She always has been. It's nothing new, but this is a particularly bad example. I have no idea why she is so popular.
@@jenbcamping Lol. Osaka will take over from here.
Double standards wtf.
We did say “he was loosing it” about McEnroe and he got penalized.
Trevor Noah, your comment on Serena's misbehaviour is the "dumbest" excuse I have heard being offered.
If you call the ref a liar and a thief and demand an apology, it's always a meltdown
„because it‘s okay in other sports, it must be ok in tennis, too“
that‘s a poor argumentation Trevor! Tennis has a certain niveau of behavior, which is different to other sports.
So let‘s see what happened:
1. Her coach broke the rules. Rules are rules, you can‘t just say „I don‘t like this rules, so if you get caught breaking it, I‘ll just argue with the referee“. Nah dude.
2. She breakes her racket, which is basicly already seen as very, very bad sportsmanship in tennis. It‘s like fouling somebody from behind in soccer, you just don‘t do that. And gets punished. What a surprise.
3. She‘s screaming and shouting at the referee and even threatening him „you will never referee a game again“ or something along that lines, calling him a thief, which is clearly violating the code of sportsmanship in tennis. And although you might think it‘s funny, it has nothing to do on the court, it‘s just poor sportsmanship.
Also, just playing the „I‘m a woman/black/mother“ card every time something doesn’t go her way is just poor.
If you threathen a referee on a personal level, you can be sanctioned, in pretty much every other sport too. :D
Well that's probably true haha
Sorry, Trevor, probably the first time I disagree with you here. The coaching issue here is deeper. Roger Federer nailed it - tennis is very much a contest between just the two players. In-game coaching is not allowed. Also, every player does not have access to the same resources, and if in-game coaching was allowed, it could cause imbalance. Singles is truly a contest between the two players themselves for that game. I think that is apt.
He mentioned She was being warned when the Coach was signaling & she was to far to see & or paying attention. Yet she was penalized.
Don’t be a wuss Trevor and spin it to some women/men battle. She was being a sore loser. Call it for what it was. If in doubt, watch the 2009 SF Vs Clijsters and it’s history repeating itself
Everyone here knows nothing about tennis. Trevor knows nothing about the respect tennis players need to have. The sport itself is built in its foundation around honesty and respect. Serena unfortunately did not respect the sport and the umpires decision. She should have kept her cool after the first vioolation. Common sense as a tennis player who has been through numerous outbursts. Yes it happens in other sports. But in tennis it is not okay to do it. Coaching is aloud on the WTA. But men do not have it...Men play 3 out of 5 sets...and yet woman only have 2 out of 3...what more can be given???????????
Yea, isn't it sexist that women only play 2/3 of what men play and they want equal pay for doing less work? Talk about that instead of this diva having a meltdown on the court.
Can you imagine that ranting during a golf tournament?
@@homewall744 It would look a lot like happy gilmore. Haha
here's the thing, you can't blame one umpire for what the others do, espcially this one that is known for being rigorous no matter the gender or even ranking of the players involved in the match, be it a 1st round match or the final, be it a smaller tournament, one of the four from the Grand Slam (Roland Garros, Winbledon, US Open and Australia) or even in the Olympics
during the whole altercation both his posture and body language were normal and in no way hint for any disrespect towards Serena Williams, even Rafael Nadal who also had 2 warnings from the same umpire this year in Roland Garros was angry during the match but after it said «he respected him for being fair to everyone»
the difference back then was that after the 2 warnings Nadal knew how to restrict himself because he knew further altercations would lead to lose points and eventually a game
with all her experience Serena should have done the same and after the match, had she won or lost, talk to the umpire and together come to an understanding, afterall the umpire never said she was cheating, it's just that her coach was so obvious with the gestures it could not be ignored, and about coaching being a good rule or not, it's true it does not make sense but the umpires are not the ones who make the rules, they are just the ones who enforce the rules made by the ITF with consensus from the individual tennis associations, you cannot blame a umpire that enforces a stupid rule he did not create
Also, anyone who has a brain could understand that the other girl Osaka is not being coached, meanwhile Serena is.
If that is not unfair, I don't know what is. LOL
This comment really made my day.
By the way, I don't know if this is in the video, I may have missed it, but the coach admitted to coaching.
And she admits to being angry and calling the ref a thief, which, mild as that is, it has to sting when you are a referee at a high profile match.
Now all we need is for the racket to admit to being smashed and it's all in the bag :P
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Why Trevor, why? Why do you have to sugarcoat it, just tell it how it is. She was in the wrong and her response was unacceptable. Pulling out the sexist card and mother card I was surprised she didn't use the black card. What pissed me off is that she had the nerve to say, she did what she did because she's defending women's rights. Like how is that even relevant here, she broke the rules plain and simple. She could've handle it in a more reasonable and matured way, but because of her actions, she not only embarrassed and showed her true colors, but she also stole Osaka's moment.
The epitome of classlessness, yet the females and simps applaud her for it. She embarrassed herself and women’s rights activists who actually want equality, not equity.
It is so dishonest for you, Trever Noah, to compare this situation to basketball or baseball. If you were honest, you would compare it to men in TENNIS who have been penalized, even way more than Serena, like John McEnroe. Nobody had a problem when he was punished with over $70,000 in fines. So yes, there is sexism here, but certainly not toward women.
No no no!!! one thing you fail to understand is that most male players who do rant and curse stop after the first warning cause they know the next one will be a point plenty and the third one will be a game penalty. so serena is incorrect when she generalizes that males don't get penalized or get away with it. they do get penalized but most stop before the third code violation. serena should have realized she should have stopped after her second code violation but she continued on berating the umpire and to his credit he didn't give her a third code violation until she called him a "thief" serena was wrong and used sexism as an excuse to validate her rant. she simply let her emotions get the best of her.
DeGrate1896 evidence??? Lol do they keep statistics??? It was an opinion based on watching tennis since Connors won his first Wimbledon. So I’ve seen a lot of top male tennis players who would rant and curse during a match. Some are able to control it after the first or second code violation and there are some who can’t let it go just like Serena and they get penalized. My point was for Serena to make sexism an issue was wrong. Even Chris Everett commented that most players who rant and curse usually refrain after getting their second code violation. But there are a few like Serena who just can’t let it go to the point where the umpire has no choice but to give them a third code violation. That’s all! Nothing more. Serena had a choice! She knows the rules but continues on the rant resulting getting the game penalty. No rocket science here.
DeGrate1896 again you fail to understand the rules. The coaching violation was committed even though perhaps Serena didn’t see it. The umpire saw the coach making hand movements and made a call. Maybe Serena would have reacted differently if she was the one winning the match. Who knows. However, she should have known this umpire is a stickler for the rules and should have not escalated it. Her sister also received code violations in the past from this same umpire. Certain umpires are like that in every sport. But I think Serena was frustrated with her play and the fact that she was losing was a factor for her to not let it go, resulting in her third code violation. She had a choice. But her emotions got the best of her. Could you explain to me why the umpire is a “ thief”? When Serena received the coaching violation there was no point or game taken away because it was her first violation.
serena is a fierce competitor. i don't think a player who has won 23 majors over the course of her career would even think that once she steps onto the court. my take is that she was losing and that got to her and made everything that went against her more amplified. a simple coaching violation is not a biggy especially if it s a first violation and most players male or female would interpret it as an assault against their integrity. i don't think any of this would have occured if she was winning. i could be wrong but most of serena's big outbursts happened when she is losing a match like 2009 and 2011 US open.
sorry meant to say would not interpret it as an assault
The hell are you talking about? Do some research before you give your opinions . The same umpire has a history of penalising players of the opposite sex only difference is Serena kept on ramping it up instead of calming down . So unless you trying to push an agenda or you want to get on the bandwagon please do your job and research.
You aren't funny anymore man , from focusing too much on politics and turning almost everything into a political or social justice argument to this now . When you were back in S.A doing proper stand-up comedy you were funny and I loved that.Iam just so disappointed in how you turned out . Iam really proud of your accomplishments as a fellow African but this ain't it man .
Whoever you are please bring back the old Trevor .
You said exactly what I was thinking.
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You did not listen to the video at all!!!
He is talking about sexism compared to men losing their temper in all sports compared to women losing their temper. The NBA, NFL and Baseball, they all get penalized, but the media don't look at them as their crazy or less than, some are even loved because of their temper. Serena gets upset, and it's seen as is no in the history of sports has ever lost it before.
He did not spend the video discussing points or the umpire, only that she may have not saw the coach, he talked about unfair reaction from the media because of her temper.
Rene John Which exactly proved David's point, that Trevor is making everything political. Why talk about sexism in all sports and not focus on this particular instance where Serena lost a championship for displaying an unsportsmanlike and, dare I say it, un-champion-like behavior?
Because Trevor has a propaganda to serve, THAT. IS. FUCKING. WHY.
Ag Trevor.....jy praat mos nou 'n groot pot snot - en jy WEET dit....... Ai Ai Ai - wil tog SÓ graag " IN" wees by al die "lefties"...... Regte gatkruiper geword
I really like this guy but he is totally wrong. This was not baseball. She broke the rules. Guys who do they get punished.
Like Mcintyre
People who don't watch tennis actively should not have a say on this topic. Men and Women get punished the same way, they are not treated differently. The only difference is the decisions are at the discretion of the chair umpire who is officiating the match and obviously, different people are going to see certain violations differently. The topic should not be "men/ women should be punished equally" because they already are, the topic should be "There needs to be a more concrete way to officiate vague rules such as coaching and what is considered verbal abuse". Serena has no defense. Yes, every athlete gets emotional and that's perfectly normal, BUT they must also understand that when getting emotional they are completely under the jurisdiction of the official and must live with their ruling. You can get mad and berate the umpire but you better make for damn sure you understand what the consequences are if they decide to enforce a violation. She had every opportunity to address this issue that plagues this sport and instead she chose to victimize herself and take away from what was supposed to be an amazing moment for a 20 year old who just had the tournament of her fucking life.
She also used the women, mother, african american card... which is fucking horrible. Those things had absolutely NOTHING to do with the rulings and the fact that she felt she had to bring that up is a FUCKING insult to the women out there who are fighting for women who are dealing with real inequalities in the workplace or otherwise.
I don't play tennis, I don't even watch it. But I am a football/soccer referee and can give insight in Trevors Whataboutism in other sports.
A great player wouldn't threaten the referee, rather would keep her calm and continue playing. Serena lost the first set I think that made her overreact unreasonably to take out her frustration. Skills and Attitude are essences of any sport. I know it's hard to control your emotion, that makes the difference.
Based on statistics in this year's US open, men were fined at 0.037 per set and women at 0.034 per set.
So playing the sexism card is totally unfair and disgusting on her part.
Kushagra Mudgal I love how narrow minded people like you can take one statistic and used it to make a nonsensical point. what Serena was referring to was the difference in treatment that she has been dealing with for her entire career particularly at the US Open. what she was stating was that men have been carrying on and acting a fool in their matches for years. They yell, curse, break racquets, and argue with umpire but are not penalized and the same way or to the same degree in which Serena was penalized which clearly is extremely unfair towards her.
Jordan Wright ohh shut it then. I believe Naomi should be applauded for how she handled serena like a champ. However media twisted the narration to victimize serena and leftists ppl like u believed it. Walkaway from victim hood buddy.
Trevor is wrong this time. Maybe he didn't researched well. He's trying hard to push this wrong thinking of his to people's minds also to those sitting there. They're not entitled to speak freely else he'd have faced the scene just comment section over her.
@Another One Go on
He's wrong most of the times
@@sprte1917 The guy knows his politics.. not bad... but he can often be over aggressive on things he doesn't know
@@musaddiqmunirliman8267 I've heard too many negative comments on him and judging by this video it shows why. he may know about politics but he's wrong with his arguments and facts and as someone who is in politics when you give wrong information and facts to your audience you should not even talk about anything in the first place.
@@sprte1917 100% ... u could see the struggle for him trying to name the rules of a sport he doesn't know
Trevor has obviously been asked to paint Serena in a positive light. Stop poisoning people with lies Trevor. Djokovic, Murray have been punished for smashing rackets and disrespectful name calling by the same bloody umpire! Difference is they didn't cry about it like a child and ask for the referees (in case you are ignorant because you only listen to what people like Trevor are told to tell you) the referees are rarely involved in matches of this magnitude because only the best and most experienced Umpires are asked to officiate them (Ramos has been a gold chair umpire for longer than 20 years, so when he makes a call that shit is on point). Serena behaved like a child and must rightly be called out for her disgraceful behaviour just like men like John McEnroe and Andy Murray have been on occasion called out for similar behaviour, you just never heard about it because Trevor's bosses aren't really interested in tennis in the first place. So for a more neutral and informed view:
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Trevor I am very disappointed in you and the stance you have taken on this issue. You should have spent at least a bit of your time telling us more about the amazing young lady that you are all overshadowing. But hey, I guess if Naomi was a man, you guys would give her story more coverage...right?
This has nothing to do with sexism
the rules are rules, and the ump was doing his job, 1st code violation is a warning, 2nd code violation is a point, 3rd is a game, 4th is a set, and 5th is the match each violation also comes with a fine depending on what it was. The coach is there to coach outside of the court and during practice(if you watch high school tennis, they are aloud to coach during a change over, this ends when you start playing tournaments) whether Serena was trying to cheat or not doesnt matter, her coach broke the rules and got caught and she gets a code violation for it because its HER coach, Throwing the raquet and breaking it is another code violation that usually comes with a fine. threatening the umps is another code violation and this is not the first time she's done it.
What people fail to understand is that she flipped out after already having 2 code violations... meaning her 3rd was a game, no matter the severity of it. the order of the violations doesnt matter at all in tennis. what matters is that the code violation occurred. What all the people who try to defend Serena also fail to see is that, apart from her being the only one to openly threaten umps on a consistent basis when the match isnt going her way, is that the men yell and flip out without having any previous warnings/code violations and if they do they get the appropriate penalty. Fognini called the ump a whore once... he got a warning and then fined some money. why no point or game deduction? because that was the first code violation of his during the match.
again I stress the the severity of the code violation does not matter(unless its physical harm to another) what matters is the code violation occurring. 1st is a warning, 2nd is a point, 3rd is a game, 4th is a set, and 5th is the match
If you actually understood tennis and looked into it you would know that that behavior is utterly unacceptable. Serena does it constantly and everyone is to afraid to stand up to her because of stuff like this. The umpire for the match is very well known and has a reputation for enforcing the rules and did the exact same thing for other players who are male.