The amount of interaction in Boneworks is impressive. Even though some aspects of the game feel a little clunky, i think that player being able to almost fully interact with environment is what makes this game so special. Boneworks is an awesome sandbox that makes the players feel like children again.
@ClickNSpam so you say that sandbox and open world are two different things, but then in one of your other comments you get the meaning mixed up yourself lol. a sandbox game is a game that doesn't necessarily let you go wherever you want, it's a game that lets you interact with the environment in any way you want, like boneworks. an open world game is a game that lets you go wherever you want pretty much whenever you want, giving you objective markers that only advise you on where to go next
People got to remember HL:A was built for everyone. In order to do that comfortably they can't have every type of interaction, because majority of people playing the game are not VR veterans. In fact heaps of people are playing Alyx as their FIRST VR game. VALVe made the right decision with the way they went.
exactly. Half life alyx is like Half life 1 VR. Half life alyx is here to set the foundation of coming valve games, and to show VR's potential. Half life alyx is exciting because it means that what to come is going to be even better than half life alyx, and that thought is exciting.
i'm on the fence. HL:A is without question the best VR game to date but not having the option to run/jump even as an option is rather annoying. I hope they address this later on. One thing I feel HL:A seriously missed out on is treating firearms like independant handleable object like and holstering or placing your gun on the side while you do something, Valves decision to weld the gun directly to the players hand is probably the worst thing about HL:A (even more so when considering Valve is pioneering their own Index contoller with grip/grasp sensing capability with this game). Even Pavlov does a perfect job of dynamic grip and holstering . . . and with all headset and controllers to boot so Valve have absolutly no excuse. That being said, HL:A is still a 10/10 game right now, love it and on my third playthough already
@@dennisrichards2540 I haven't played a VR game where body holestering didn't annoy to no end, even Pavlov. HL:A's movement style is like that of RE7 methodical and paced and that really makes sense for the type of game it is.
I don't believe this is a "if you like x, go for this game, if you like y go for the other", you should get both, they are both excellent, they both have incredible physics that work in different ways and they both have a good story, personally I prefer alyx's story because it's a half life game, but they're both good.
@@SC4TTER_ where did you hear that? There's nothing about that on the stress level zero twitter or TH-cam about a new horror game and hall of the machine King was a precursor game that they scrapped to make boneworks. Plus aren't they working on the boneworks sequel, project 4 next?
Project 4 is a smaller project that if I believe is made exclusively for Oculus Quest if I am correct. And no they're still working on it if you're in the Unofficial Boneworks Discord. Also you know Lava Gang? I'm pretty sure they're the ones that are finding it.
Let’s all just take a moment to appreciate Stress Level Zero for making a fantastic game as a small developer studio, and directly influencing Half Life: Alyx into becoming a better version of itself so we all benefit. _That’s awesome._
Boneworks was shown and was also helped by valve. Valve told stress level zero to make differences so that’s Half life Alyx and Boneworks don’t get mixed up. That is why Boneworks feels so heavily inspired by Half Life. It was originally made in mind of being a half life game.
@@daniel_cl4rke no it wasn't you potato. Have you ever considered actually doing research? look at Brandon's most recent video for more info on the interaction between stress level zero and valve.
Valve has always "barrowed" from others. Portal was an indie game they absorbed, narbacular drop. Counter strike, mod for HL2. They know how to polish simple but brilliant ideas.
@@chatman4847 Boneworks was not made with it being a half life game in mind, but in the extremely early stages of development, they requested permission from valve to make it a half life game, and, there is very clear inspiration taken from half life.
I love games where you are rewarded for being able to predict physics. Most negative criticism for Boneworks I see is from people who think tickling a window with a can will break it
My only grip with Alyx is that you can't even punch or melee enemies and it has less VR features. Even Pavlov has more features where you can swap weapons without going to menu to change and that's a pretty old VR game. Honestly..If Alyx had the freedom of controls and level of detail and immersion Boneworks had,it would have been consider without a doubt THE Perfect VR game.
Macyle vr is not the main point of hla its more of its story and character. people who have been litterally dying to play new half life 13 year ago. people are grateful that half life finally came out. the ending of half life alyx proof that hl3 or hl 2 epi 3 are coming out.
@@superknightlol umm...yeah that's obviously true ofc.for that alone this game deserve credit.Its a legit half life game with no compromise. But I am talking about the VR aspect and features since this IS first and foremost a comparison between the VR side of both games after all haha and people who played Boneworks and familiarise with the controls surely expect more from Alyx since it's also a AAA VR game. Then again,even if the VR features were limited....people usually tends let it slide because it's a fricking Half life game....and very VERY good one I've heard
@@angelDanJonathan its their first try into vr, you're all are forgetting the fact that half life 3 will have the gravity gun and the crowbar. They'll surely do what alyx havent done yet.
Well it would probably be almost impossible to kill a zombie that doesn't feel anything with a hammer or killing a heavily armoured combine soldier with a chair. And why Gordon could do this was because he had a H.E.V suit.
The interactibility of Boneworks is still unmatched, but Alyx has more polished and streamlined gameplay and story. Also Alyx's gravity gloves are the best feeling mechanic in any VR game I've ever played.
@@3D-seb I actually feel like gunplay was better in alyx. Depending on your surroundings to find cover, and locating weak spots on a target is really fun
while i love boneworks way more than hl:a, i will admit that the level design in BONEWORKS isn't perfect for sure boneworks does have a few weak spot mechanics though, the crablet's inside is weak as well as the humanoid enemie's heads, but other than that no other weak points afai remember
While Boneworks has more features they aren´t as nearly as polished as alyx, still is a great game but lacks of polishing, alyx has less features some might seem crucial and the lack of them just makes a really Decent Vr game, but it still is an excelent half life game, the only thing that i wished is that they made more use of the VR
For me Alyx is about cool graphics and story. It has alot of glitches (boneworks has them as well) and VERY linear level design. I like both but Alyx is more like some cool movie and boneworks is like replayable sandbox game when you can do whatever you want, not only what level/game design wants you to do. I never gonna replay Alyx that's for sure, but i really do like playing it for the first pass. I don't really feel that Alyx is polished. Graphics/visuals is polished, some gameplay moments, optimization.
boneworks is pretty flawed but they really did a good job and really went all in, maybe the team bit off more than they could chew within the amount of time they had which might lead to a lot of the bugs and optimization issues. half life had to play it safe because of motion sickness reasons which would turn away tons of new players and leave a bad taste on reviewers and in turn the opinion of everyone. I think valve couldn't have executed it any better than they have done already. Since half life alyx is critically acclaimed people will have more trust in valve and in future VR installments and hopefully they'll baby the player a little less and flesh out some more mechanics that boneworks couldn't really polish
Both were great games, and although alyx was definitely more polished, it felt very linear. Like shoot the head crab three times with the pistol. Put the grub the health thing, walk along that very linear path. Shoot the combine soldier 7 times with the smg. Whereas boneworks just feels more alive. It just leaves me with so much more childlike wonder, which I reslly love, and the small team put so much passion and love into the game it's truly an awesome experience.
Boneworks is incredibly clunky though, HLA is smooth like butter. You can grab a headcrab and smash it, kill it that way too. Melee is incredibly clunky (as I said) and climbing is there just not overexaggerated and weird.
If StessLevelZero had the budget of the HLA team, they would've crushed them in every single way. It's amazing what Boneworks achived with their limited budget.
I had a pretty big moment of dissapointment when I tried to kill an enemy in Alyx with a piece of steel. It did no damage and I died :/ It is still a beautiful game though and I enjoyed the Jeff scene a LOT
While Boneworks interactions are more “advanced” I feel that what valve chose to do with HLA is a less is more approach and that have very finely tuned the interactions that are in the game for the sake of comfort. This is not to say one is better than the other I love both, HLA just feels nicer and I love the detailed world. But boneworks has a lot more to do if you are just looking to do some random combat even if it is a little janky at times.
Valve loves playtesting a lot. They’ve tried probably everything, they probably made the game as detailed as Boneworks but then later removed everything because the playtesters complained or something
@@thesensur6214 Boneworks was originally a tech demo, but it got so much praise that they for some reason decided to make a game out of it. It feels like they maybe shouldn't have.
Half life alyx is a great game, but it has less interaction than bone works and i think it was intentional. In half life alyx its all about item management, where bullets become your only way to kill enemies, but i would agree that it'll be cool if half life alyx have more item interaction, since ammo are always given to you (except for shotgun shells)
@@baileymash yeah, and resin is the currency instead of ammo, so ammo is actually limited and not like a billion ammo in boneworks. I was mad in alyx how rare shotgun ammo was! Shotgun was my most highly upgraded gun too
If you want more shotgun shells, use more shotgun shells. There are certain places that will spawn certain ammo, but most of the ammo spawns are based on usage.
I think physics and interaction should be separated. Half Life : Alyx definitely focused on player's interactions with the world and objects within said world. Boneworks on the other hand focuses on movement accuracy, physics of objects.
@@jvniprbrry half life wasn't trying too hard to be a good VR game, just a good game that used some VR interactions and was put in VR just for the player to be "in the game" not really for much more than that, boneworks however was built to show just what VR could do and tried it's hardest to use every physics interaction possible to make a fully VR specific game
@@axserwz5022 Which is why I don't understand why they made it vr only. Other than those gimmicky puzzle Alyx gains nothing by being vr only. It would probably have been a better game overall if it was a traditional fps.
@@saisameer8771 then it will just be half life with better graphics you want that? Stuck to an old same way and not experience something new? I think they make a right choice n I respect your opinion
half life alyx is a multi million dollar attempt to make the most polished and best vr game which could be accessible to the largest vr audience, whereas boneworks is a "tech demo" that pushes the limits of vr which some people may not be able to handle with their weak ass baby tummies, it also didn't have an infinite budget like valve.
Yeah I wish people didn't get motion sick, that's so stupid. I'm like one in a dozen of people who never get motion sick ever, except if I'm developing for VR and I accidentally make the camera go spastic lmao
@@vesper7312 I won't deny that Blade and Sorcery Melee is better, but from how it sounds you're saying that BONEWORKS has much worse melee. In my experience Blade and Sorcery is better but BONEWORKS is very good still, especially after the recent update.
boneworks has more features but in my opinion the things that these 2 games share are more polished in half life alyx. it just fells more smooth and better imo
Boneworks inspired HL. It was originally meant to be a half life game but valve turned them down. In the end, Alyx is a very polished VR game but I don’t think it kept the trend of ground breaking physics or story as they have done before with last games. If this game had the physics and movement it would be amazing. I am on chapter 9 of Alyx so I have not finished the game but so far so good!
Both are different to compare in a few ways, Boneworks is more about gameplay and the things you can do in VR and Half-Life Alyx is a fine VR title but an AMAZING Half-Life title for its story and characters. Both have their ups and downs but i find both enjoyable and fun.
One of the reasons of why I love HL is about its story. Same thing applies to HLA. Players have so much freedom in Boneworks; however, for its entire gaming experience, good but not perfect. In addition, Source II is a much better graphic engine than the one Boneworks has, and it accomodates my 2070mq really well.
Boneworks was built to be physics-based, the whole concept behind it was being able to interact with your environment. HL:A was built to give an extremely immersive story, the whole concept behind it was being able to enjoy the world and story. Both games succeed. 10/10
True, Alyx has slightly better object physics, but they're not that different, I feel that Boneworks implements weight better than Alyx. In my opinion, Boneworks is better than Alyx from a technical perspective in general, but alyx has much more interesting and more rich setting, dialogue and story. The world is also more alive in Alyx with things having an ecology and background to them, and you can mess with the random pidgeon or something.
@@DarkSol16 If you honestly belive Boneworks is a better technical showcase than HLA, you should look up some bts development on the latter. Every aspect of the game is subtly groundbreaking and playtested to hell and back, even just their audio implementation is a massive step for VR. I love SL0, and Boneworks is an awesome VR game on indie resources, but their level design was really lacking and the whole thing struggled to feel cohesive. (I also think the selective physics and weighty objects in HLA feel way better than Boneworks' "floaty physics on everything" approach, but that's personal preference I guess. But I agree it feels too bulky sometimes)
@@dingoskidneys Ijust want to clarify. When I said Technical side, I was more thinking about the actual programming involved and their physics. I agree, HLA has much better in terms of level design, audio and a lot of other things.
@@DarkSol16 Boneworks is an unpolished mess compared to HLA in almost every way. Sure you can do a lot more in boneworks, but the entire game is vomit-inducing if you don't spend hours a day in VR already.
@@LiveforHM there's this alien bombs which needs you to squeeze to activate so maybe squeezing has a button on other controllers because otherwise the alien bombs won't function
@@LiveforHM I'm talking about the infinitely generated grenade given by the alien thing which you can grab. To activate it you need to squeeze(it says so when you pick it up) so I assume you're saying that the button for arming grenades is also used right?
now you remember that Brandon pitched Boneworks to Valve as a Half Life sequel and they refused because they were secretely working on Alyx at the time so he had to do it with a whole new IP. imagine what couldve been. the story, polish and art direction of Alyx, but with everything Boneworks' engine can do. the perfect HL game.
its not about tools, its about vision. if Alyx was co-made by Stress Level Zero, it would still be accessible, since Valve is a AAA studio that always appeals to broader audiences, but it would take more risks and be a deeper game
not being able to grab headcrabs midair unlike boneworks kinda soured my mood. Also lack of melee attacking in Alyx sucked edit: barely a few minutes in and I was wrong about the headcrab grabbing, I guess I stunk at grabbing them
I just wish you could bash headcrabs to death. It was really disappointing seeing people try to smack them into walls or hit them with heavy objects only for nothing to happen
I tried to put a dead zombie in a barnacle, took so long and they can't be grabbed. Great for realism and respect the game atmosphere, but I wish I could move them more easily for fun xD
For thoose people who keep saying that hl alyx is a backstep of Boneworks Boneworks has more feature doesnt mean that hl alyx is bad. Valve have strong reason to not adding some of thoose Boneworks feature. Adding thoose Boneworks feature to HL alyx just will ruin the aesthetic and the style design of the game
Boneworks is fun but the physics are sometimes wonky. Alyx has a few problems here and there, but it's way more balanced and the physic is more realistic imo
Imagine a mod of bonelab that is half-life Alyx levels with simple reskins and behavior changes of enemies. Crablet become a head crab, hologram task force becomes the combine, and the void beings become zombies.
Creo que acá se equivocan en comparar a los dos juegos. Tienen enfoques totalmente distintos. En Bonework está todo enfocado como un juego con parkour y que puedas golpear (y romper) casi con lo que sea porque no tiene un género totalmente determinado y por eso se le dice "experiencia" por mas historia que tenga (tener historia no lo vuelve un juego al uso). En cambio, Alyx no es una experiencia, es un juego con sus reglas determinadas por la saga a la que pertenece. No podés romper todo porque no es lo que quiere VALVe y el juego que hagas, no podés treparte porque no es lo que VALVe considera necesario en el juego y además la saga no tiene nada que ver con el parkour, no tiene nada realista romper una computadora hasta que quedan solo plásticos, eso no existe en la realidad (donde está la circuitería interna?), etc. Aún así, en lo que ambos juegos hacen, lo hace mejor Alyx porque está mucho mas pulido. Porque la mecánica al ser necesaria para el juego la pulieron mas. Nada mas que eso y Bonework es la prueba del dicho "el que mucho abarca, poco aprieta".
@@joshgab7827 you have an actual body in boneworks you dont just teleport you dont float down pits the physics is better its more realistic and tons of more reasons
@@blue33x I guess so but full body does not always equal full immersion, Boneworks sometimes strait up reminds you that you are playing a game. While it is not a bad aspect the person was just talking about immersion
I appreciate the way Boneworks gives you a fully physical body, but more often than not, I found the body to be a nuisance that sometimes snagged on objects or got in the way. However, I did not use full body tracking, so perhaps that is the real issue.
Yes, and/but for Boneworks its a smart choice to focus on interactions and gameplay instead of Story and Level design, because of their limited Budget as an Indie developer. You can clearly see were the priorities are. Im happy for both teams, they did a great job.
@@vesper7312 that sounds like motion sickness, something that boneworks causes a lot of. That's why is says at the beginning that the game is intended for expert vr players who have their vr legs and then some. Aka people who don't get motion sick from vr
I had a lot more fun in boneworks, I had a great time playing alyx but there’s too much restriction, it sometimes feels like you’re playing a 2016 VR game
Half life Alex appeals to new payers and experienced players but the at the cost of the physics Bone works mainly appeals to very well experienced players in vr
What do you mean. It is one of the most immersive VR experiences I have ever played. Didn’t like it as much as boneworks but still a very interactive environment, but what it definitely was missing was melee combat, felt a little bit boring just using guns the whole time.
The problem with boneworks is the greatest feature: that you interact with everything. It's impressive in a controlled environment but when fighting under stress it gets pretty weird. Because you have a simulated body that you can't feel, but manipulates everything around you, and only control the hands and the head of. You draw a MP with extended magazine but can't shoot straigt because your non-existing arm collides with it and you don't know because you focus on the enemy in front of you, your hands glitch around and you get killed and have to walk back to your dying spot. You want to draw a gun or store a mag on your imaginative body but the stuff just isn't located on the place where it should be on your body and falls to the ground, through textures and sh-t. Then basic comfort features are straight up missing. No Checkpointsaves, no inventory - you lose all of your equipment at the end of every level, you can buy a limited amount of weapons at the start of the next level but that is just breaking the immersion pretty hard because you feel like you just finished a carnival ride and enter the next one that belongs to somebody else. You have a very nice Slo-Mo button to do matrix-moves but it is bound to the same controller you have your walking stick bound to so you can choose to slo-mo OR walk around but not both comfortably....and you can not remap anything. You can enter the Pause screen via a button on both of your controllers but walking while john-woo-ing is not made that easy. Don't judge me too soon, Boneworks is a great game and a real prove of how relevant VR gaming is nowadays in my Opinion and it is pretty cheap for what you get. But if you know H3, aka HotDogs, Horseshoes and Handgranades, made mostly by a single person, it is pretty disappointing how little progress boneworks made in its first 6 months.
While I enjoy the body physics Boneworks offers, it can be pretty jank and get in the way of things. I much prefer the HLA's gunplay over Boneworks, aiming down sights feels awkward in Boneworks
All and all. I think both games are great, just because 1 has more features than the other shouldn’t automatically make it the worst vr game. Valve envisioned alyx to be a story driven game more so than a “do whatever you want” game. And i think they struck a good balance on that, it has a lot of option for new players so if you get motion sick easily you can teleport or if you already play vr you can do smooth motion. I dont believe they wanted to go “all out” for alyx, just enough to get the players immersed.
I feel like they used Brandon's Boneworks physics and applied it to their HL story environments. But took out melee to focus on guns/ammo. *I havent played Boneworks yet but have been following him and the Stress Level Zero crew for a while.
Andrey Pekun I’m pretty sure they will be adding melee mechanics in the future, but they didn’t add it beforehand as there were a few bugs and they didn’t want to delay, so expect that sometime this year
The Garry's mod VR addon is better than half life alyx in improvised weaponry aspects,like I used a scanner gib as a weapon of choice when playing half life maps in vr
Naahh I think having a body is really immersive I bet, and also how your hands don't snap to specific places on objects, like on the tube on half life alyx; when you hold it it will make you hold it in that specific place but in boneworks you can hold it anywhere,it's kind of hard to explain but I hope you got that?
I could never play past the first level in Boneworks due to how clunky the physics feel. I felt like my body was really bouncy and it showed when picking up heavy objects and climbing.
I think the only reason there's no melee weapons in Alyx is because the devs want that feature to be available when the player plays as Gordon in the future
@@SethizFTW They aren't exactly wrong. The absent melee combat hurts the overall immersion quite a bit. Sure, saving it for Gordon may be a smart idea. But it doesn't excuse it
@@oterro8225 I am not saying that I am not disappointed that there is no melee in the game but I would not say it makes or breaks the game for me either. The game had no problem with immersion for myself. I understand the frustration but alot of people write this off as a inferior game to bonework which could not be any farther from the truth.
Well they were planning on using the crowbar in Alyx, but couldn't get it polished enough for release. I bet it'll be the first thing they work on for the next game though. Boneworks gave me an appreciation for the crowbar when I found out you can use the hook end of the crowbar to hook onto things so you can pull yourself up to places you couldn't get to normally. I'm not sure if Valve is ready to try letting the player do something like that yet though. Though we are somewhat able to climb ladders in Alyx. Though climbing using anything else isn't really a thing because it can potentially cause motion sickness if that thing moves around even a tiny bit.
Both games are astonishingly great, Alyx is the game to go for if you want a VR experience with a intense storyline and great graphics. Boneworks is the game you'd want to play if you wanted to adventure the possibilities of physics.
3:41 in boneworks, you can grab the shelves. absolutely amazing game. 10/10 3:49 in half life alyx, you can't gab the shelves. this is an absolutely abysmal game. 0/10, never play ever.
Ive played both. but as a person who gets motion sickness from vr. i survived half life alyx without any bad motion sickness at all while in boneworks i now get sick just hearing the sounds :D wich is pretty sad i loved both
Watching VR on a flat screen isn't the same as playing in a VR headset. I have put about a thousand hours into my CV1 and never had any problems with getting motion sick, but I will more often than not get motion sick while watching someone play VR on a flat screen. I hope this helps clear some things up about motion sickness related to VR.
Most of the time, people show gameplay with the game window, not the headset view with a wider fov. Low fov make me sick, I use 110 in games when I can
About the melee part for HL Alyx is actually incorrect, you can kill the headcrab zombies and headcrabs, but only with really blunt objects. Buckets and hammers really don't cut it, with computers, bricks you need to throw them at the zombies many times it's not economical. Headcrabs however can be killed by just a few brick throws or smashing them against walls.
Conclusion: *Boneworks* is more physics based with great physics mechanics, the downside sometimes physics actions can be awkward and frustrating. While *Half-Life: Alyx* have great physics too, but not everything is physics based on the account of being more mainstream and easier for new VR players, this prevent any immature VR physics mechanics. I guess no game can give you everything. To give something you need to sacrifice another thing.
Probably because they had to cut so much content for it to run smoothly on every VR device and machine that that got cut aswell.. but its a smart decision... if you gotta let some features go in order for more people to buy and enjoy it... well then i think its a low price to pay..
@@СергейБильмандо they were experimenting with melee but had technical difficulties like weapons getting stuck on enviorment and decided to just leave it out
@@wildgunsky6280 tried both, and I still prefer the melee of walking dead, the gun relism on H3VR is the best of any game, but for a more "gamey" game like hl alyx the easier interactions of the walking dead saint and sinners would work better in my opinion
Boneworks was revolutionary in making vr games fully interactive and set a new bar, Alyx followed it up by polishing the formula. My only gripe with alyx is the lack of arms. It really removes the players feel of precense
for me, on the contrary, to see virtually a body that moves unrealistically, but simply hangs down from your head somewhere, or twisting arms is more unrealistic and interferes with immersion than just brushes. for in fact, in real life, your brain filters your body out of visual information, and until you want to look specifically at yourself, you don’t see it. like your nose right now - it’s in your field of vision 1005 times, but until you specifically want to see it - it doesn’t stick out in the middle of your perspective)
I disliked having a body, and legs, it broke immersion for me more than not having them did, cause it was so clunky, and legs were flying all over the place, and just becoming a pretzel. lol Half Life feels likes a true AAA game, with pure polish, great story, and better gameplay. Boneworks is a good tech demo tho.
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The amount of interaction in Boneworks is impressive. Even though some aspects of the game feel a little clunky, i think that player being able to almost fully interact with environment is what makes this game so special. Boneworks is an awesome sandbox that makes the players feel like children again.
thanks for the two cents, PET SEMEN!
@ClickNSpam so you say that sandbox and open world are two different things, but then in one of your other comments you get the meaning mixed up yourself lol. a sandbox game is a game that doesn't necessarily let you go wherever you want, it's a game that lets you interact with the environment in any way you want, like boneworks. an open world game is a game that lets you go wherever you want pretty much whenever you want, giving you objective markers that only advise you on where to go next
@ClickNSpam Climbing in Boneworks gives you a lot of loot
ClickNSpam the sea isn't just instadeath, there are aliens called leeches that will attack the player if they try to swim there.
The problem with that game is, its ENTIRELY clunky. Sure it's fun as hell, but its beyond frustrating because of things you cant control at times.
Graphics and fluidity = half-life
Freedom and nearly limitless interaction = boneworks
@Yassine Moustaoui Bruh what
Yassine Moustaoui nah bud.
Yassine Moustaoui what
@Yassine Moustaoui umm
Half life is better you dump man
You missed out on some interesting ones:
Climbing down ladders.
Dropping off a ladder.
Climbing through a window
Ok papulince
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@@Thfoxpz oh shit my burrito's done! hell yah
Boneworks = Yes, Alyx = Teleport through windows.. MAYBE
@@MURDERAXE yep
Once you play these 2 games it ruins pretty much every other vr game
Sadly true...
BlorgusTV No not really
@@FittZone. I can vouch for it. I've played boneworks and no vr game has felt the same since
TheGreatYeti I can vouch for it too. I played boneworks and still enjoy other VR games. It really depends on what you have in your steam library
*laughs in H3VR*
People got to remember HL:A was built for everyone. In order to do that comfortably they can't have every type of interaction, because majority of people playing the game are not VR veterans. In fact heaps of people are playing Alyx as their FIRST VR game. VALVe made the right decision with the way they went.
exactly. Half life alyx is like Half life 1 VR. Half life alyx is here to set the foundation of coming valve games, and to show VR's potential. Half life alyx is exciting because it means that what to come is going to be even better than half life alyx, and that thought is exciting.
i'm on the fence. HL:A is without question the best VR game to date but not having the option to run/jump even as an option is rather annoying. I hope they address this later on. One thing I feel HL:A seriously missed out on is treating firearms like independant handleable object like and holstering or placing your gun on the side while you do something, Valves decision to weld the gun directly to the players hand is probably the worst thing about HL:A (even more so when considering Valve is pioneering their own Index contoller with grip/grasp sensing capability with this game). Even Pavlov does a perfect job of dynamic grip and holstering . . . and with all headset and controllers to boot so Valve have absolutly no excuse.
That being said, HL:A is still a 10/10 game right now, love it and on my third playthough already
@@dennisrichards2540 I haven't played a VR game where body holestering didn't annoy to no end, even Pavlov. HL:A's movement style is like that of RE7 methodical and paced and that really makes sense for the type of game it is.
@@Puffycheeks How on earth does holsering annoy you? I've never had any problems. Are you using a lighthouse system? or optic?
@@dennisrichards2540 Lighthouse, it seems to be IK rigs that are never quite right, when crouching it's very hard to find where ones virtual hip is.
The perfect combination of these two would be Garry's Mod VR on the source 2 engine
DMan Stickguy So pavlov
@@swishasweetrold no, like a sand box VR game not pavlov
When I was playing alyx, I was just thinking how awesome having all of those props and physics in gmod would be.
@@sheeplord4976 same thought but I don't have a VR ready pc I play on oculus quest 😭
sheep lord yeah me too
I don't believe this is a "if you like x, go for this game, if you like y go for the other", you should get both, they are both excellent, they both have incredible physics that work in different ways and they both have a good story, personally I prefer alyx's story because it's a half life game, but they're both good.
Fishum I honestly don’t get the bone works story. It’s a very cool game tho
The creators of Boneworks are using the same physics engine to make a horror game now, Hail Of The Machine King or something like that
@@SC4TTER_ where did you hear that? There's nothing about that on the stress level zero twitter or TH-cam about a new horror game and hall of the machine King was a precursor game that they scrapped to make boneworks. Plus aren't they working on the boneworks sequel, project 4 next?
Project 4 is a smaller project that if I believe is made exclusively for Oculus Quest if I am correct. And no they're still working on it if you're in the Unofficial Boneworks Discord. Also you know Lava Gang? I'm pretty sure they're the ones that are finding it.
@@SC4TTER_ the only thing they said about the quest is that project 4 explicitly will *not* be a quest exclusive.
6:21 much like the older games, Alyx is immortal to player gunfire
I can't put into words how much I just wanted to shoot Alyx and get on with the game while replaying Half Life 2 sometimes
Friendly fire didnt active in Half life series.
@@lampham5525 you forgot about hl1, ah the screams of the scientist so
Let’s all just take a moment to appreciate Stress Level Zero for making a fantastic game as a small developer studio, and directly influencing Half Life: Alyx into becoming a better version of itself so we all benefit.
_That’s awesome._
Boneworks was shown and was also helped by valve. Valve told stress level zero to make differences so that’s Half life Alyx and Boneworks don’t get mixed up. That is why Boneworks feels so heavily inspired by Half Life. It was originally made in mind of being a half life game.
Valve felt threatened by Boneworks. Them doing better VR tech demos than valve + the artifact fiasco let a fire under Valve’s asses to shape up.
@@daniel_cl4rke no it wasn't you potato. Have you ever considered actually doing research? look at Brandon's most recent video for more info on the interaction between stress level zero and valve.
Valve has always "barrowed" from others. Portal was an indie game they absorbed, narbacular drop. Counter strike, mod for HL2. They know how to polish simple but brilliant ideas.
@@chatman4847 Boneworks was not made with it being a half life game in mind, but in the extremely early stages of development, they requested permission from valve to make it a half life game, and, there is very clear inspiration taken from half life.
Also keep in mind, HL:A is a AAA game, while Boneworks is an indie game.
When I read AAA I read it as asshole ass and ass biscuit
@@LD12121 why tho
@@LD12121 ok, cool
@@LD12121 im so happy i got that information whilst im eating some good pasta
thurboy I don’t know, it was the first thing that popped in my mind
I love games where you are rewarded for being able to predict physics. Most negative criticism for Boneworks I see is from people who think tickling a window with a can will break it
My only grip with Alyx is that you can't even punch or melee enemies and it has less VR features.
Even Pavlov has more features where you can swap weapons without going to menu to change and that's a pretty old VR game.
Honestly..If Alyx had the freedom of controls and level of detail and immersion Boneworks had,it would have been consider without a doubt THE Perfect VR game.
Macyle vr is not the main point of hla its more of its story and character. people who have been litterally dying to play new half life 13 year ago. people are grateful that half life finally came out.
the ending of half life alyx proof that hl3 or hl 2 epi 3 are coming out.
@@superknightlol umm...yeah that's obviously true ofc.for that alone this game deserve credit.Its a legit half life game with no compromise.
But I am talking about the VR aspect and features since this IS first and foremost a comparison between the VR side of both games after all haha and people who played Boneworks and familiarise with the controls surely expect more from Alyx since it's also a AAA VR game.
Then again,even if the VR features were limited....people usually tends let it slide because it's a fricking Half life game....and very VERY good one I've heard
the weapon selecting in HLA is necessary because the player can't be able to drop the weapon, or they won't be able to progress through the game
@@jaysanj152 Best current half-life game, but not the most advanced... Can't really call it the "foundation" of VR as of now.
@@angelDanJonathan its their first try into vr, you're all are forgetting the fact that half life 3 will have the gravity gun and the crowbar. They'll surely do what alyx havent done yet.
No melee in alyx was a baffling decision
Well it would probably be almost impossible to kill a zombie that doesn't feel anything with a hammer or killing a heavily armoured combine soldier with a chair.
And why Gordon could do this was because he had a H.E.V suit.
Just punch a headcrab
@@СергейБильмандо And then grab that headcrab by a leg and use it as a flail to bludgeon enemies with! 😂
unfortunately you can't do that
@@СергейБильмандо Sounds like such a huge missed opportunity!
The interactibility of Boneworks is still unmatched, but Alyx has more polished and streamlined gameplay and story.
Also Alyx's gravity gloves are the best feeling mechanic in any VR game I've ever played.
gunplay and movement is better in boneworks.
@@3D-seb I actually feel like gunplay was better in alyx. Depending on your surroundings to find cover, and locating weak spots on a target is really fun
while i love boneworks way more than hl:a, i will admit that the level design in BONEWORKS isn't perfect for sure
boneworks does have a few weak spot mechanics though, the crablet's inside is weak as well as the humanoid enemie's heads, but other than that no other weak points afai remember
While Boneworks has more features they aren´t as nearly as polished as alyx, still is a great game but lacks of polishing, alyx has less features some might seem crucial and the lack of them just makes a really Decent Vr game, but it still is an excelent half life game, the only thing that i wished is that they made more use of the VR
They arent features. They are details dude
@@getarmless2402, Having a full climbing system is a feature, getting to actually use a microwave in a irrelevant way is a detail
For me Alyx is about cool graphics and story. It has alot of glitches (boneworks has them as well) and VERY linear level design. I like both but Alyx is more like some cool movie and boneworks is like replayable sandbox game when you can do whatever you want, not only what level/game design wants you to do. I never gonna replay Alyx that's for sure, but i really do like playing it for the first pass. I don't really feel that Alyx is polished. Graphics/visuals is polished, some gameplay moments, optimization.
@@nicoko_ah Not all. Remember the number of bugs you have only that feature. *Polished*
boneworks is pretty flawed but they really did a good job and really went all in, maybe the team bit off more than they could chew within the amount of time they had which might lead to a lot of the bugs and optimization issues. half life had to play it safe because of motion sickness reasons which would turn away tons of new players and leave a bad taste on reviewers and in turn the opinion of everyone. I think valve couldn't have executed it any better than they have done already. Since half life alyx is critically acclaimed people will have more trust in valve and in future VR installments and hopefully they'll baby the player a little less and flesh out some more mechanics that boneworks couldn't really polish
Both were great games, and although alyx was definitely more polished, it felt very linear. Like shoot the head crab three times with the pistol. Put the grub the health thing, walk along that very linear path. Shoot the combine soldier 7 times with the smg. Whereas boneworks just feels more alive. It just leaves me with so much more childlike wonder, which I reslly love, and the small team put so much passion and love into the game it's truly an awesome experience.
I mean its half life so yah lol
Plus boneworks is half the price
boneworks has so much interactions
@@huseynmammadov1290 It would feel very out-of-place.
Boneworks is incredibly clunky though, HLA is smooth like butter. You can grab a headcrab and smash it, kill it that way too. Melee is incredibly clunky (as I said) and climbing is there just not overexaggerated and weird.
13:18 Me and my PC in 2020
Same! 😂
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If StessLevelZero had the budget of the HLA team, they would've crushed them in every single way.
It's amazing what Boneworks achived with their limited budget.
They do have the better physics, and i find the game more fun overall. Half Life Alyx has better story, graphics and sounds though.
A very skilled dev team! Much respect
yeah but bonework Gun handling making HL alyx like ikeke
@Mayank Marwah
You know nothing. Literally.
If they had more money, if they had more time, blah blah blah... They did a great job, but not as good as alyx.
I had a pretty big moment of dissapointment when I tried to kill an enemy in Alyx with a piece of steel. It did no damage and I died :/ It is still a beautiful game though and I enjoyed the Jeff scene a LOT
You can kill enemies with heavy object, though you might find they're less effective than Bullet.
While Boneworks interactions are more “advanced” I feel that what valve chose to do with HLA is a less is more approach and that have very finely tuned the interactions that are in the game for the sake of comfort. This is not to say one is better than the other I love both, HLA just feels nicer and I love the detailed world. But boneworks has a lot more to do if you are just looking to do some random combat even if it is a little janky at times.
Valve loves playtesting a lot. They’ve tried probably everything, they probably made the game as detailed as Boneworks but then later removed everything because the playtesters complained or something
12:55 - When they didn't give you supplements
Its a great Comparison!
It looks like both can learn something from each other :)
boneworks is tech demo that let to valve recruiting the team behind boneworks
@Quasar
It’s not a tech demo, The devs have stated this many, many, Times. It’s a game, a sometimes wonky and experimental game, but still a game.
@@thesensur6214 it written all over the walls in the game if you look in the right place will find this :"what if this is only a tech demo..?"
@@thesensur6214 Boneworks was originally a tech demo, but it got so much praise that they for some reason decided to make a game out of it. It feels like they maybe shouldn't have.
Quasar it’s an inside joke because the devs and other people questioned if it was a tech demo
Half life alyx is a great game, but it has less interaction than bone works and i think it was intentional. In half life alyx its all about item management, where bullets become your only way to kill enemies, but i would agree that it'll be cool if half life alyx have more item interaction, since ammo are always given to you (except for shotgun shells)
You need to full on search for bullets in alyx.
@@baileymash yeah, and resin is the currency instead of ammo, so ammo is actually limited and not like a billion ammo in boneworks. I was mad in alyx how rare shotgun ammo was! Shotgun was my most highly upgraded gun too
@RickTheRedBrick What?
@@argonhammer9352 The game spawns ammo dynamically depending on the weapons you're using & what you need most.
If you want more shotgun shells, use more shotgun shells. There are certain places that will spawn certain ammo, but most of the ammo spawns are based on usage.
Bone works definitely has the better physics interactions, but alyx definitely has the better storytelling and visuals.
Both are great vr games
Nah I dont think alyx leans in hard in what makes vr in particular special. That being said Alyx is a good half-life game and good game in general.
I think physics and interaction should be separated. Half Life : Alyx definitely focused on player's interactions with the world and objects within said world. Boneworks on the other hand focuses on movement accuracy, physics of objects.
@@jvniprbrry half life wasn't trying too hard to be a good VR game, just a good game that used some VR interactions and was put in VR just for the player to be "in the game" not really for much more than that, boneworks however was built to show just what VR could do and tried it's hardest to use every physics interaction possible to make a fully VR specific game
@@axserwz5022 Which is why I don't understand why they made it vr only. Other than those gimmicky puzzle Alyx gains nothing by being vr only. It would probably have been a better game overall if it was a traditional fps.
@@saisameer8771 then it will just be half life with better graphics you want that? Stuck to an old same way and not experience something new? I think they make a right choice n I respect your opinion
half life alyx is a multi million dollar attempt to make the most polished and best vr game which could be accessible to the largest vr audience, whereas boneworks is a "tech demo" that pushes the limits of vr which some people may not be able to handle with their weak ass baby tummies, it also didn't have an infinite budget like valve.
Yeah its like a way to show potential and inspire others to work on vr which is really nice
*infinite* smh
@@baileymash yep definitely not 😂
Yeah I wish people didn't get motion sick, that's so stupid. I'm like one in a dozen of people who never get motion sick ever, except if I'm developing for VR and I accidentally make the camera go spastic lmao
>Multi-million dollar attempt
>Infinite budget
13:10 when you've had enough of tf2s lagbot problem.
Don't forget that you can crush cans in alyx and boneworks cans are invincible
@EasySneezy 123 where is this posted?
If you don't own index you can't.
@Peter Bergania
You can kill the headcrab by just throwing it againts the wall multiple times
Throwing stuffs to it kills it too.
@@vesper7312 I won't deny that Blade and Sorcery Melee is better, but from how it sounds you're saying that BONEWORKS has much worse melee. In my experience Blade and Sorcery is better but BONEWORKS is very good still, especially after the recent update.
@@vesper7312 bruh boneworks and blade and sorcery are 2 DIFFERENT GAMES. You cant really compare them dude
alyx: have no body. can't suicide.
boneworks: yes
John Rambo have you even played boneworks before?
@@Amped5150 people opinion-_-
@John Rambo well no
@John Rambo Alyx looks amazing but I enjoyed Boneworks more.
This proves that we need Stress Level 0 to get picked up by Valve. Together they would be unstoppable.
Would stress level still be able to make games by themselves? If not then that's a terrible idea
@@table3310 Stress Level made Boneworks by themselves, so yeah, I think they’re able to make games by themselves.
@@ChiefKhem No, what I meant by that was can they still make games in their name?
@@table3310 Oh, yeah probably.
Nope.
boneworks has more features but in my opinion the things that these 2 games share are more polished in half life alyx. it just fells more smooth and better imo
but props for the creators of boneworks. they really made a great game
Let's remember that one is a AAA game an the other is a indie project
jumping ?
climbing?
melee tools?
idk Half life do be missing some
@@luisdias3939 yeah you cant really compare them. half life alyx probably had way more people working on it.
Boneworks inspired HL. It was originally meant to be a half life game but valve turned them down. In the end, Alyx is a very polished VR game but I don’t think it kept the trend of ground breaking physics or story as they have done before with last games. If this game had the physics and movement it would be amazing. I am on chapter 9 of Alyx so I have not finished the game but so far so good!
There’s still one thing that I know Half Life Alyx definitely did best. The stress and terrorfing-ness of Jeff.
Both are different to compare in a few ways, Boneworks is more about gameplay and the things you can do in VR and Half-Life Alyx is a fine VR title but an AMAZING Half-Life title for its story and characters. Both have their ups and downs but i find both enjoyable and fun.
One of the reasons of why I love HL is about its story. Same thing applies to HLA. Players have so much freedom in Boneworks; however, for its entire gaming experience, good but not perfect.
In addition, Source II is a much better graphic engine than the one Boneworks has, and it accomodates my 2070mq really well.
Boneworks was built to be physics-based, the whole concept behind it was being able to interact with your environment.
HL:A was built to give an extremely immersive story, the whole concept behind it was being able to enjoy the world and story.
Both games succeed. 10/10
Alyx: Better object physics.
Boneworks: Better player interaction.
Boneworks: more, lower quality player interaction
True, Alyx has slightly better object physics, but they're not that different, I feel that Boneworks implements weight better than Alyx.
In my opinion, Boneworks is better than Alyx from a technical perspective in general, but alyx has much more interesting and more rich setting, dialogue and story. The world is also more alive in Alyx with things having an ecology and background to them, and you can mess with the random pidgeon or something.
@@DarkSol16 If you honestly belive Boneworks is a better technical showcase than HLA, you should look up some bts development on the latter. Every aspect of the game is subtly groundbreaking and playtested to hell and back, even just their audio implementation is a massive step for VR.
I love SL0, and Boneworks is an awesome VR game on indie resources, but their level design was really lacking and the whole thing struggled to feel cohesive.
(I also think the selective physics and weighty objects in HLA feel way better than Boneworks' "floaty physics on everything" approach, but that's personal preference I guess. But I agree it feels too bulky sometimes)
@@dingoskidneys Ijust want to clarify. When I said Technical side, I was more thinking about the actual programming involved and their physics. I agree, HLA has much better in terms of level design, audio and a lot of other things.
@@DarkSol16 Boneworks is an unpolished mess compared to HLA in almost every way. Sure you can do a lot more in boneworks, but the entire game is vomit-inducing if you don't spend hours a day in VR already.
13:49 end of sponge bob theme song.
Underrated
fun fact, you could squeeze empty can in hla and draw or write using marker you find earlier in the game.
Squeezing only possible with index iirc
@@LiveforHM there's this alien bombs which needs you to squeeze to activate so maybe squeezing has a button on other controllers because otherwise the alien bombs won't function
@@gus9351 there is an arm grenade button on other controllers
@@LiveforHM I'm talking about the infinitely generated grenade given by the alien thing which you can grab. To activate it you need to squeeze(it says so when you pick it up) so I assume you're saying that the button for arming grenades is also used right?
@@LiveforHM you can squeeze on other controllers, on touch it's bound to the a/x button
Imagine Boneworks with fully destructible environments. That’d be the ultimate game.
Also the ultimate "turn your PC into a campfire"
now you remember that Brandon pitched Boneworks to Valve as a Half Life sequel and they refused because they were secretely working on Alyx at the time so he had to do it with a whole new IP.
imagine what couldve been. the story, polish and art direction of Alyx, but with everything Boneworks' engine can do. the perfect HL game.
Source: Believe me.
Brandon talks about the dev proccess on his channel and on Node. give it a search.
Valve does have tools to make all of their game intractable but they have toned down alot due to comfortable playthroughs for people new to VR.
its not about tools, its about vision.
if Alyx was co-made by Stress Level Zero, it would still be accessible, since Valve is a AAA studio that always appeals to broader audiences, but it would take more risks and be a deeper game
4RM4G3DD0N actually it’s source 2
not being able to grab headcrabs midair unlike boneworks kinda soured my mood. Also lack of melee attacking in Alyx sucked
edit: barely a few minutes in and I was wrong about the headcrab grabbing, I guess I stunk at grabbing them
That's fine... in Alyx they don't even jump at you half the time, but aim at a point off to the side.
I just wish you could bash headcrabs to death.
It was really disappointing seeing people try to smack them into walls or hit them with heavy objects only for nothing to happen
@@Hypergen- actually, you can kill headcrabs by throwing things at them.
It's just really, really ineffective
@@Hypergen- true
Talking shit before even watching the video
i like how in Alyx you cant drag a body easily like you can in boneworks, Physics in Alyx are amazing!
I figured Alyx isn't physically capable of moving bloated bodies and smashing things to death with her bare hands.
PDXDJKrunCh I hope that there will be a mod for melee fighting, but you cant lift a 60kg corpse just with grabbing his arms or his legs
@@Pitulio I noticed you can drag them using lever points of the body. Feels like a 19 year old girl trying to move a 150 pound body.
I tried to put a dead zombie in a barnacle, took so long and they can't be grabbed. Great for realism and respect the game atmosphere, but I wish I could move them more easily for fun xD
For thoose people who keep saying that hl alyx is a backstep of Boneworks
Boneworks has more feature doesnt mean that hl alyx is bad. Valve have strong reason to not adding some of thoose Boneworks feature. Adding thoose Boneworks feature to HL alyx just will ruin the aesthetic and the style design of the game
Boneworks is fun but the physics are sometimes wonky. Alyx has a few problems here and there, but it's way more balanced and the physic is more realistic imo
1:05 bullying creatures
Imagine a mod of bonelab that is half-life Alyx levels with simple reskins and behavior changes of enemies. Crablet become a head crab, hologram task force becomes the combine, and the void beings become zombies.
There was actually a mod that replaced crablets for headcrabs and nullbodies for zombies, but patch 4 broke it
Boneworks:
No teleportation, climbing, advanced moving
Half-life alyx:
Piano
Creo que acá se equivocan en comparar a los dos juegos. Tienen enfoques totalmente distintos. En Bonework está todo enfocado como un juego con parkour y que puedas golpear (y romper) casi con lo que sea porque no tiene un género totalmente determinado y por eso se le dice "experiencia" por mas historia que tenga (tener historia no lo vuelve un juego al uso). En cambio, Alyx no es una experiencia, es un juego con sus reglas determinadas por la saga a la que pertenece. No podés romper todo porque no es lo que quiere VALVe y el juego que hagas, no podés treparte porque no es lo que VALVe considera necesario en el juego y además la saga no tiene nada que ver con el parkour, no tiene nada realista romper una computadora hasta que quedan solo plásticos, eso no existe en la realidad (donde está la circuitería interna?), etc. Aún así, en lo que ambos juegos hacen, lo hace mejor Alyx porque está mucho mas pulido. Porque la mecánica al ser necesaria para el juego la pulieron mas. Nada mas que eso y Bonework es la prueba del dicho "el que mucho abarca, poco aprieta".
This is my main factor: Sometimes I forgot I was playing a game with Alyx,. Never happened with BW.
should be reversed ngl
@@blue33x but why doe?
@@joshgab7827 you have an actual body in boneworks you dont just teleport you dont float down pits the physics is better its more realistic and tons of more reasons
@@blue33x I guess so but full body does not always equal full immersion, Boneworks sometimes strait up reminds you that you are playing a game. While it is not a bad aspect the person was just talking about immersion
@@blue33x To me the body simulation in Boneworks is the REASON why i dont get inmersed, especially when it decides to not act like I do
Boneworks DOSNT have a bad story, its just that the story isnt forced upon you and that you have to look for it for yourself.
the storry is actully rly good just hard to find
@@3D-seb if you have to "find" the story, then that aspect of your game has failed lmao
@@HaloCollective says who?
Hla is last gen VR perfected.
Boneworks is next gen experimentation.
Both are really good games
This is the best way I’ve seen it put
The box joints on Valve’s ammo boxes though 👌
I appreciate the way Boneworks gives you a fully physical body, but more often than not, I found the body to be a nuisance that sometimes snagged on objects or got in the way. However, I did not use full body tracking, so perhaps that is the real issue.
Why can't they just mix both games together and make the ultimate vr game until 4 years
Hi, thanks for sharing this. I haven't heard of the game Boneworks before so I'll check it out. Keep up the good work.
Dont
It sure is one of the most satisfying VR games on the market
Imagine in Boneworks you had the tool gun stuff from Gmod. The thrusters, dynamite, ropes, welding, etc.
Boneworks, while being superior in interactivity, lacks the densely populated world and story that Half-Life: Alyx has.
Half-Life its all about inmersion (i think)
Yes, and/but for Boneworks its a smart choice to focus on interactions and gameplay instead of Story and Level design, because of their limited Budget as an Indie developer. You can clearly see were the priorities are. Im happy for both teams, they did a great job.
@@Pitulio if it was more about immersion than boneworks is then it would have a full body and not floating hands
@@vesper7312 what janky camera movements are you talking about? I've never had janky camera movements happen to me before
@@vesper7312 that sounds like motion sickness, something that boneworks causes a lot of. That's why is says at the beginning that the game is intended for expert vr players who have their vr legs and then some. Aka people who don't get motion sick from vr
Idk why but the robots headcrabs are scarier than the actual head crabs to me
Sus
"Alyx needs arms and bodies"
Why though. I don't see why the devs should put all that effort into bodies and arms when all they do is block your view.
So you can be immersed more. But to be honest it really doesn't need it.
@@presauced A game at alyx's standard is already immersing as hell to be honest.
Plus, think a body would get in the way a bit.
@@baileymash Yeah, Alyx doesn't really need a body. The atmosphere already makes it a good VR game.
I guess you could say for Half-Life Alyx and Boneworks that "This was a triumph."
I’m making a note here, huge success.
@@obviouslykaleb7998 It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.
Boneworks and HL: Alyx are too different games.
Are we all fogetting that boneworks was made by a SMALL team of people and Alyx was made by a billionary MEGA COMPANY?
I had a lot more fun in boneworks, I had a great time playing alyx but there’s too much restriction, it sometimes feels like you’re playing a 2016 VR game
They can’t really be compared imo, they’re both incredible
Half life Alex appeals to new payers and experienced players but the at the cost of the physics
Bone works mainly appeals to very well experienced players in vr
The biggest issue I have with Half-Life: Alyx is that it feels like a non-VR game.
How many VR games have you actually played? Most of them aren't very good...
What do you mean. It is one of the most immersive VR experiences I have ever played. Didn’t like it as much as boneworks but still a very interactive environment, but what it definitely was missing was melee combat, felt a little bit boring just using guns the whole time.
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13:11: when mom says no to Mc Donalds
The problem with boneworks is the greatest feature: that you interact with everything. It's impressive in a controlled environment but when fighting under stress it gets pretty weird. Because you have a simulated body that you can't feel, but manipulates everything around you, and only control the hands and the head of. You draw a MP with extended magazine but can't shoot straigt because your non-existing arm collides with it and you don't know because you focus on the enemy in front of you, your hands glitch around and you get killed and have to walk back to your dying spot. You want to draw a gun or store a mag on your imaginative body but the stuff just isn't located on the place where it should be on your body and falls to the ground, through textures and sh-t. Then basic comfort features are straight up missing. No Checkpointsaves, no inventory - you lose all of your equipment at the end of every level, you can buy a limited amount of weapons at the start of the next level but that is just breaking the immersion pretty hard because you feel like you just finished a carnival ride and enter the next one that belongs to somebody else. You have a very nice Slo-Mo button to do matrix-moves but it is bound to the same controller you have your walking stick bound to so you can choose to slo-mo OR walk around but not both comfortably....and you can not remap anything. You can enter the Pause screen via a button on both of your controllers but walking while john-woo-ing is not made that easy. Don't judge me too soon, Boneworks is a great game and a real prove of how relevant VR gaming is nowadays in my Opinion and it is pretty cheap for what you get. But if you know H3, aka HotDogs, Horseshoes and Handgranades, made mostly by a single person, it is pretty disappointing how little progress boneworks made in its first 6 months.
I don't think you've played this before, they have more than half the things you said they didn't.
The quality of HLA defintely looks better, but for me Boneworks feels and plays A LOT better than HLA
While I enjoy the body physics Boneworks offers, it can be pretty jank and get in the way of things. I much prefer the HLA's gunplay over Boneworks, aiming down sights feels awkward in Boneworks
@@itswa30 But what about this shitty moments in Boneworks then your hands stuck in doors?
Both are just INCREDIBLE
I love ur videos dude! :D 😁✌🏻👍🏻🤘🏻👏🏻🙌🏻
All and all. I think both games are great, just because 1 has more features than the other shouldn’t automatically make it the worst vr game. Valve envisioned alyx to be a story driven game more so than a “do whatever you want” game. And i think they struck a good balance on that, it has a lot of option for new players so if you get motion sick easily you can teleport or if you already play vr you can do smooth motion. I dont believe they wanted to go “all out” for alyx, just enough to get the players immersed.
Amen
The way this guy is holding the guns gives me pain.
Visuals: Half Life Alyx
Physics: Boneworks
Sound Design: Half Life Alyx
OST: Boneworks
Enemies: Tie
Weapons: Boneworks
Level Design: Boneworks
Story: Half Life Alyx (Just my opinion)
Replayability: Boneworks
HLA final score: 4
BW final score: 6
What about new players?
Bonework is a very cool game, but I continue to prefer HLA
I feel like they used Brandon's Boneworks physics and applied it to their HL story environments. But took out melee to focus on guns/ammo. *I havent played Boneworks yet but have been following him and the Stress Level Zero crew for a while.
Boneworks has recently gotten a pretty big physics update, so some of this is not representative of what the game is like now.
They both have amazing physics
Why can't either Half-Life Alyx or Boneworks allow you to smash a keyboard and the keys would fall out? That would be so satisfying
All the same, HL: Alyx lacks the interaction with which one could fight with improvised means. Missed aspect.
Andrey Pekun I’m pretty sure they will be adding melee mechanics in the future, but they didn’t add it beforehand as there were a few bugs and they didn’t want to delay, so expect that sometime this year
The Garry's mod VR addon is better than half life alyx in improvised weaponry aspects,like I used a scanner gib as a weapon of choice when playing half life maps in vr
Boneworks:interaction
Half life Alyx:Mission
I think Half Life Alyx is better but Boneworks is still amazing.
Naahh I think having a body is really immersive I bet, and also how your hands don't snap to specific places on objects, like on the tube on half life alyx; when you hold it it will make you hold it in that specific place but in boneworks you can hold it anywhere,it's kind of hard to explain but I hope you got that?
@@darn2218 Yes, i get it
Darn do you have a vr headset?
Nop,HLA is best game in this year.
I ordered an Index but Boneworks is what sold the Index for me
I could never play past the first level in Boneworks due to how clunky the physics feel. I felt like my body was really bouncy and it showed when picking up heavy objects and climbing.
your missing out if you haven't played past the first level and they updated the bouncy physics so it feels better now
I think the only reason there's no melee weapons in Alyx is because the devs want that feature to be available when the player plays as Gordon in the future
Exactly that reason but I don't want to spoil that to people but people make it hard when they say that boneworks looks better.
@@SethizFTW They aren't exactly wrong. The absent melee combat hurts the overall immersion quite a bit. Sure, saving it for Gordon may be a smart idea. But it doesn't excuse it
@@SethizFTW I am not hating on HL:A in any way. Giving feedback on such an important game is the right to do
@@oterro8225 I am not saying that I am not disappointed that there is no melee in the game but I would not say it makes or breaks the game for me either. The game had no problem with immersion for myself. I understand the frustration but alot of people write this off as a inferior game to bonework which could not be any farther from the truth.
Well they were planning on using the crowbar in Alyx, but couldn't get it polished enough for release.
I bet it'll be the first thing they work on for the next game though. Boneworks gave me an appreciation for the crowbar when I found out you can use the hook end of the crowbar to hook onto things so you can pull yourself up to places you couldn't get to normally. I'm not sure if Valve is ready to try letting the player do something like that yet though. Though we are somewhat able to climb ladders in Alyx. Though climbing using anything else isn't really a thing because it can potentially cause motion sickness if that thing moves around even a tiny bit.
How impressive is this technology
Both games are astonishingly great, Alyx is the game to go for if you want a VR experience with a intense storyline and great graphics. Boneworks is the game you'd want to play if you wanted to adventure the possibilities of physics.
Everyone talking about how Boneworks is for VR veterans. Why couldn't HL:A make an optional "veteran" or "beginner" setting like BW?
1:31 you murdered that child... you monster...
(Commenting off the noise it made)
3:41 in boneworks, you can grab the shelves. absolutely amazing game. 10/10
3:49 in half life alyx, you can't gab the shelves. this is an absolutely abysmal game. 0/10, never play ever.
lol
Ive played both. but as a person who gets motion sickness from vr. i survived half life alyx without any bad motion sickness at all while in boneworks i now get sick just hearing the sounds :D wich is pretty sad i loved both
It looks lile you dont have your VR legs yet. Half life was BUILT for people who get easily motion sick in vr
10:17
bonk
I think I got mildly motion sick watching this. Guess VR’s gonna stay a dream for me then.
I am sure that Index 2 (or the equivalent of it) will have a solution
Oterro Possibly, but it’d have to come to Australia.
Watching VR on a flat screen isn't the same as playing in a VR headset. I have put about a thousand hours into my CV1 and never had any problems with getting motion sick, but I will more often than not get motion sick while watching someone play VR on a flat screen. I hope this helps clear some things up about motion sickness related to VR.
Captin Pelley I will keep that in mind for the future.
Most of the time, people show gameplay with the game window, not the headset view with a wider fov. Low fov make me sick, I use 110 in games when I can
About the melee part for HL Alyx is actually incorrect, you can kill the headcrab zombies and headcrabs, but only with really blunt objects. Buckets and hammers really don't cut it, with computers, bricks you need to throw them at the zombies many times it's not economical. Headcrabs however can be killed by just a few brick throws or smashing them against walls.
Conclusion: *Boneworks* is more physics based with great physics mechanics, the downside sometimes physics actions can be awkward and frustrating. While *Half-Life: Alyx* have great physics too, but not everything is physics based on the account of being more mainstream and easier for new VR players, this prevent any immature VR physics mechanics.
I guess no game can give you everything. To give something you need to sacrifice another thing.
I really don't know why there is no meele combat in alyx...
because valve is lazy ass company
Probably because they had to cut so much content for it to run smoothly on every VR device and machine that that got cut aswell.. but its a smart decision... if you gotta let some features go in order for more people to buy and enjoy it... well then i think its a low price to pay..
No they just didn't bother spending more time on the game.
@@СергейБильмандо they were experimenting with melee but had technical difficulties like weapons getting stuck on enviorment and decided to just leave it out
Cheap. So i was right. They were lazy to implement that.
now do another one comparing it to Walkind Dead Saints & Sinners, some of the stabbing and melee dynamics on WD:SS is amazing
Yes! These 3 games are like the holy Trinity of VR. Boneworks, saints and sinners, and half life alyx
Rovert totally
@@wildgunsky6280 tried both, and I still prefer the melee of walking dead, the gun relism on H3VR is the best of any game, but for a more "gamey" game like hl alyx the easier interactions of the walking dead saint and sinners would work better in my opinion
stabing physic in S&S was yonky I thought (with the shiv)
Boneworks was revolutionary in making vr games fully interactive and set a new bar, Alyx followed it up by polishing the formula. My only gripe with alyx is the lack of arms. It really removes the players feel of precense
for me, on the contrary, to see virtually a body that moves unrealistically, but simply hangs down from your head somewhere, or twisting arms is more unrealistic and interferes with immersion than just brushes. for in fact, in real life, your brain filters your body out of visual information, and until you want to look specifically at yourself, you don’t see it. like your nose right now - it’s in your field of vision 1005 times, but until you specifically want to see it - it doesn’t stick out in the middle of your perspective)
I prefer no arms. Virtual Arms Never really match my real body so they never feel like my real arms anyway. Honestly they just get in the way
i dont want virtual arm it make me more dizzy somehow and it feel weird.
Think of it this way, Alyx is old vr done perfectly, but Boneworks is new vr done great.
I disliked having a body, and legs, it broke immersion for me more than not having them did, cause it was so clunky, and legs were flying all over the place, and just becoming a pretzel. lol
Half Life feels likes a true AAA game, with pure polish, great story, and better gameplay. Boneworks is a good tech demo tho.
Boneworks + half-life:alyx = super epic vrgame
yes. just yes
1:52 got em
The freedom Boneworks gives me as a left handed person makes me happy.
Doesn't Alyx also have left handed options for everything?