Asmongold Reacts to "Why you're not having fun in MMO's anymore"
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- WHAT CHANGED? Asmongold watches a video by Josh Strife Hayes discussing the age old question: were games and MMORPGs actually better back in the days, while modern video games now suck?..
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Thanks for taking the time to watch my video, it's great to see the MMO community all so passionate about the state of things.
I'm glad we agreed on some points, and I'm glad we disagreed on some, it gives us all more to consider and talk about :)
I'm happy that you are getting more (well deserved ) recognition!
It's not very difficult to disagree with you judging by your past reddit history ;)
That said, good job on being featured by the asmongold.
i'm so happy to see Asmon react Josh Strife, mmo worlds collide
I totally agree with everything you said in your video!! Thank you! 😊👍
Not related but I love ur Otherland series xD best 2021 series on TH-cam!
"A man can never step in the same river twice
because it is not the same river, and he is not the same man"
100% right
OSRS felt pretty surprisingly similar though.
@@Sorestlor dude, you people should stop spamming this, we are not going to play that bullshit ass looking game
@@Sorestlor nostalgia brainlet
This sums it all up nice.
Reason why i like MMOs 15 years ago: being able to play with other people.
Reasons why i dont like MMOs today: having to play with other people
people don't talk as much as they used to either
I'm playing black desert with several friends. And this game is a Solo Grind Fest. Yet we still have fun together. However, we do keep contact outside games and do things besides a particular game--that seems to be important. Friendship just based on 1 game is too shallow to last imo.
@@joshanonline The shallow thing isn't said friendship per se, rather the people and the value they, themselves, put into it.
It often happens to me that people I didn't speak to since ages suddenly pm me in game, on discord or anywhere, asking who am I or if I even remember them, and of course I do, but every single time it surprises them. People aren't used to it these days.
There actually are studies on the matter. Stating the average social circle is around a hundred people or so, and that we tend to forget most things about people we don't interact with often enough. It was often pointed out a few years ago, to speak about social medias and ever growing online friendlists.
If anything, I think people just don't care, nor make the effort.
Thankfully, a lot of MMOs provide quite some content, which can be cleared totally alone. So peaceful.
Especially when all those 'other people' rush to end game and call the ones that enjoy the lore, environments and leveling experience 'casuals' among other things...
It was when I had friends who weren't busy with real life.
yep, back when we could have 10 people staying up all night bullshitting and not giving a single fuck about school/work/gf etc.
@@johmqrop4811 ideally you would get their gf involved too.
@@xboxswitch9457 I am, yes
@@xboxswitch9457 I am, yes
This and the fact your first mmo, if it was good, it was new 2 time over. Firstly it was new because you haven't played an mmo before and secondly it was new in general to everyone back then, you didn't see the copy paste bc it was being written right then.
I just hate how everyone has the optimize the fun out of everything now. You can hardly make a choice based on anything but if it’s meta or not.
Also the fact “end game” is the only thing people care about
@@Luna-ii4mx and you'll get booted for doing so
Not to take points from the theme of the video and use them against you here, but if you still had friends you were playing with, the optimization doesn’t matter.
@@KKraemerPhoto well you'd want to progress as fast as possible either way
You just live in denial. You're not having fun anymore you're having something else different.
Random Elitist: “Spec your stats better noob! Your all over the place!”
13 year old me: “What?” *goes back to killing kobolds*
hahaha im still the same way in my 30s. Just farming materials and doing daily quests.
@@andyd3447 so ur to stupid to learn?
@@jeremycollins2026 Found the elitists! It's more like they're doing their own thing and don't give a fuck what people like you are saying.
@@jeremycollins2026 Ironic coming from someone too stupid to spell "too"
@@jeremycollins2026 Treating a game as a job and not something to have fun with will eventually lead you to a very dark place, because even a shitty job will get you a payment at the end of a month and in games you are just wasting time if you are not having fun, you need to relax. Ive been there years ago i thought im a very hot shit because im an officer in a guild that just got realm first raid clear, then one night i was reading boss abilities and watching PTR videos while hanging with the boys in officer channel, i randomly looked on my shelf and saw dusty college books that i havent opened for a while and i had very cold feeling in my stomach that i dont want to have ever again! I have learned that centering your life around something that is created to be a leisure is a very bad idea!
My happiest memory playing wow was just killing a bunch of mobs in redridge with my brother. We've barely spoken in years, but when TBC was announced we made plans to hang out on discord and play wow for the first time since the pandas showed up. I hope its the forst of many sessions together because damn do i miss him
I think Asmon said it best, it's not just that you were young, but the games provided more opportunities for these experiences back then. A kid today playing retail WoW won't have the same experiences as me when I was a kid because a kid today can complete all of retail WoW without talking to a single person.
I don't agree on that, but ok
@@greenchilistudioz4537 He's actually right... if you're gonna play an MMO like WoW without socializing then just play a single player game... all of them have better, more fun combat mechanics, better story telling and are worth completing more... the only way a raid is fun is when you're in a guild and you're chatting with your friends/guild mates while doing the raid... otherwise you're just spamming a DPS rotation for 3 hours all alone in your room... that's a meh gaming experience at best...
@@greenchilistudioz4537 he's not wrong about WOW becoming a single player experience
A while ago i started up a new human warrior in nu!wow just as a test to see if i wanted to get back into it due to having some free time so i decided to do the same start as when i first played back in BC to get into a feel for things and it was like having someone grab my wrist and drag me along with no real input into skills no need to go and buy them just having them appear, forced down a single talent tree and mobs not even being a challenge. i will admit not having raids in Goldshire was refreshing but it doesn't cancel out the bad.
But the worst part was when i got to Hogger the gnoll it was less a fight and more an intractable cutscene and that broke any desire to keep playing because hogger in the early days back when i first played is what introduced me to parties because he killed me the first time i fought him and well i asked how do you do it and that got me into my first party which had someone doing an alt-toon who asked if i wanted to join their guild and that was my first MMO experience.
i fell out of wow thanks to the Cataclysm patches but that first hogger fight will always be with me.
@@michaell8000 lol
I think another HUGE thing is the internet. When we were kids playing these games, there was no information. You found out stuff that nobody had learned before, you had server first clears, there was competition that was POSSIBLE to beat.
Now, EVEYRONE is playing games and uploading their adventures online. All that information and all those players make any new games become stale much quicker. Games used to be for nerds, people who were just trying to fit in. Now its EVERYONE, and you have MLG-johnson trying to level 0-60 in classic WoW within 5 days. Everything is too efficient, too knowledgeable.
There's nothing left to explore.
There's nothing left for imagination.
Everyone has already beaten you to it, and created a tutorial for maximum fun. Try avoiding any help when you are struggling to get through something. It's what made these games so fun, you had to accomplish something. You and your friends had to work together, and put countless hours into figuring out how to complete a quest, or find a secret. That's what I miss.
Yeah, the limited information is really the most important part of old games imo. Now even if you dont want to go watch a tutorial you have to or get outclassed by meta. This also makes the games more boring becouse you see way more of the same stuff.
But you also have the option not to look at those videos and make your own content and have emerging gameplay
Well we still had wowhead or icy veins to check info if you got stuck on a quest. But for me, iirc leveling from 1 to 70 was done with very low vitits to those websites. When i started raiding i had to step up my game and went there more for tips and tricks or go to youtube watching some nerd rant about WoW who turned out to be bald in 2021.
I bought AC Valhalla and there is this quest where you have to collect 15 eggs which are hidden. My first instinct when i got stuck on 13/15 eggs was to go look for the locations on the internet.
But i didnt, kept looking, and stumbled upon the eggs myself. The "Ahh there it is!!"-moment would have never happen if i would just run to the locations from the cheatsheet.
Definitely this, the meta of each game ruins the immersion of an mmo, information and advice is available to everyone very easily, and you become disadvantaged if you don’t follow it.
Back in the day you slowly discovered things about the game or would stumble across knowledge that gave you an edge and you were then able to teach others or share your knowledge. Where now everyone knows the same things for the most part, the game is played so efficiently and min-maxed even at a casual level.
The internet and social media has ruined this aspect of gaming, and I find it sad seeing classic versions of wow be completed in mere weeks due to the wealth of knowledge and guides out there. Basically, knowledge used to be shared primarily through the game itsef rather than third party sites and platforms.
No more mystery and adventure, just sweaty minmaxing and flexing your 93 parse to your equally sweaty guild. Sadge.
Haven’t watched the video yet but for me it was what MMOs used to represent. Exploring, immersion of getting lost in a new exciting world, meeting new people and making friends. It was more about the journey than the destination. Most mmos now make leveling feel like a chore you have to overcome just to get to endgame where it’s all about doing dailies and having to stay ontop of 10 different things to keep your character relevant.
Not to mention no one ever groups up these days as content is soloable. I loved mmos back in the day because I loved partying up with others
@@jacobbailey6134 i mean most mmo's have always been soloable if you knew what you where doing shit just to easy now that everyone knows what there doing
Yup.
Best example is indeed wow.
Classic Levelcap was an achievement
Retail Levelcap is a requirement.
@@ThatWildcard and I think part of that is what the OP said, leveling isn't fun anymore and devs treat it as an after thought. When in reality...it should be incredibly fun and immersive. Leveling will be a new players first impression of the game, if it's tedious and drawn out and boring a lot of people will quit before they even hit level cap. And another thing is having to stay on top of 10 different things to stay relevant.
i agree. but the biggest part imo is that the game gets too easy. when you first start off a mmo its all new, you're a noob. but after a couple of years, you get better at the game and it gets too easy. thats what wow is trying to do, implent new stuff, but it still doesnt work as well. for example, torghast has the same energy as a dungeon.
MMOs began to decline when the vast majority started to rush to end game and that became the only important reason for playing them. I've been around since the dawn of RPGs and I can tell you that before 12-13 years ago most if not all players didn't really care about, let alone rushed to the end because the lore and leveling experience was the reason for playing. WoW was even developed originally on that premise and once the 'end game era' began, the genre itself started to tank.
Even games that basically had no lore (what are quests?) you basically played just to progress (which back then meant grind levels, not grind raids) or to conquer new obstacles with your friends. It was the primarily the people that wanted to rush to end game that complained about grind.
When i was 19yo and started playing wow at mist of pandaria with friends we would go back and do the old dungeons and raids together and i thought it was absolutely fantastic to discover all these huge ruins where there was no more activity anymore and my friends who had started a lot before me would tell me stories about all these raids and dungeons from when they where new and popular. This was my highlight of wow.
Damn that's a really cool look at it man.
In Legion I ran old raids solo both for mounts and to appreciate the design and feel they had.
almost like a games LORE in the ancient battles many years ago......
This is so sad. back then in 2005 I was in school, my only concern was WoW and Porn. now i am 34 and managing my life and paying bills really exhaust me. I am afraid I cannot feel the same way now than i did back then for any game anymore
2005 me: WoW and porn
2021 me: Bills and porn
Oh you can get it back, you just have to be willing to multi task in a flawless way
@Java Monsoon good point. actually, i currently have a well paid but very stresful job. and i do not want to quit, because i do not want to be unemployed for the next couple of months. i am currently in a hamster wheel. not that i am having an expensive lifestyle, i can live on a lot less. i want to earn money for the next few years so i can scale back later on. at least that is my plan. and yeah, back then when i raided molten core, zul gurub, etc.. until 3am weekdays.. who cared. but these times will never come back. also back then there was no perfect playstyle, everyone did just their stuff in the raid. no pressure and no 1000 addons beeping and yelling at you. i enjoyed this. just playing with guildies, no pressure, because no one knew better. also other friends have a familiy already etc. it feels stupid to contribute so much time for a video game. it is just the age i am afraid :D.. i cannot fall back playing with 17yr olds again.
@@MadPutz that's my plan :) will it work out? i really hope so, also depends on the stock market in the next decade...
during the time you play the game you remember all the sht you have to do, i feel you budy
There remains no more mysteries in Azeroth because the internet has already discovered EVERYTHING so theres no new land to discover, or secret treasures.
I blame blizzard for allowing wowhead/mmochamp to datamine every damn thing and spam the same posts for months. Why explore anything when wowhead or whoever gives you a damn guide and addon for everything.
Very true
@@Desolaytore Very true aswell
I never thought about it that way. You are 100% right.
Datamining is rampant as well. There are no surprises nowadays. New copyrights are found by the community almost immediately, characters, animations, model revamps and features are all found during their infancy and some may or may not make it into the game. We build our own ideas about the quality and release date of these things are are dissapointed when they dont reach our imaginary standards.
Back then that didnt happen. Everything was a surprise and fresh. There was mystery and there were things to look forward to. I feel like this was relevant to your comment :)
You also have to take into account that people under 60 in the US are way more depressed than they were 30 years ago. Everything seems worse by comparison
No, no it doesn't. Life was shit in the past. Why would I want to go back to an era of racism, homophobic and less workers rights?
@@silver4831 that's why they were happier
@@silver4831 Because it was before we decided to try ruining each others lives over the smallest fumbles. There was no deadly pandemics, there was no evil empire on the horizon threatening to control the world since the end of the Cold War and, at least in the US, it was a culture more focused on decadence in a time of general peace. I'm sure coming out of a decades-long stalemate was a big relief too. The big mega-corporations were still bad, but it wasn't as openly and transparently horrific as they are now, nor were they as powerful and corrupt. And, in spite of what you said, our culture wasn't as divided and hostile towards one another.
Then the towers came down. Security was heightened and federal control was increased. Our soldiers were sent away to a wasteland, and suddenly the US was at war again. The political landscape slowly started shifting to the point that even in middle school, people were beginning to split based on political opinions they knew nothing about. The new tech gradually became less novel and unique to the point that we're at today, where every new device or car or etc looks exactly the same. Social media gradually became more and more disgusting as people willfully hung out their dirty laundry for all to see and then got angry for people commenting negatively on it. And I swear the little things started to fade away too (anyone remember when cereal boxes came with cheap toys?). It hasn't gotten better.
@@mariofan1ish I think not going jail for cannabis is worth it.
@@stewie4467 lol
I started playing WoW back in 2005, during vanilla and I loved the game. I'd only ever played single player RPGs and WC3 RPG Maps with friends during LAN parties. So, WoW was an entirely new world for me and I absolutely loved it. Came back last year to play Classic and I enjoyed it for a bit, but, well things had changed. Sure, there was nostalgia, but the feeling wasn't the same. I knew the world, knew the zones, the enemies, the dungeons and everything else. The mystery and the sense of wonder I felt back in the day was gone and as much as I tried, I couldn't get it back. And while it was sad realizing that, I'm also not the same person anymore. At 35 years now, I've got other priorities, other things to worry about and other things to sink my time and energy in. Still, WoW will always have a special place in my heart and I will always cherish the time I spent in it, especially during vanilla.
I did not expect to be attacked like this. Ok, I'm old. I get it.
@@UltimateGamerCC it will. But don't worry. It happens to everyone.
A lucky few will make careers off of playing games, but even then they will get less and less enjoyment from video games. Some would say those lucky few burn out on video games quicker. So don't overindulge is all.
videogames are for older people, when young one should learn actual skills most of the day.
@@UltimateGamerCC My father is 52 and he is been playing video games ever since. Lets say we dont like to sit down and watch TV, instead we prefer to do an activity. That's the great thing of gaming
Alright,old man,get in there.
*Coffin dance music begins*
Yeah I kinda felt shit on by his statements, enough so to drop my sub not sure why he did that but he did so its done and so am I with ass-mondgold.
leveling up is THE GAME. when will developers understand... being an adult sucks. growing up is whats fun. its the same with games. MAKE THE JOURNEY GREAT AGAIN!
Ikr. The way MMORPGs are made now just isn't the same as before. Lifestyle influences your enjoyment of the game, ofc, but I feel that the mechanics of the game carry much more weight.
I played L2 in the past for the freedom it offered, in terms of economy and wars. I didn't play it with school friends or acquaintances, but with complete strangers on the internet, and I enjoyed it that way. And guess what? No other MMORPG has been released that offers as much freedom as old L2 in these aspects, up to date.
Most mmorpgs today focus on individualism, have an auction house, few-person dungeons, a "Looking for group" system, p2w, and so on. They are very "mechanical". The social aspect and the freedom were lost, and it is not something that we old players are making up out of nowhere. It IS happening. I played L2 for years, but BnS for just a few months.
Hard disagree, have played multitoons on WoW since BC and have always hated leveling. To each their own, pvp/raiding/dungeons are the content that interests me. Imo leveling sucks, as does the daily quests needed to maintain your toons.
Yeah I hate leveling which is why I only one have or two characters at max level, raiding and dungeons are my bread and butter, leveling is by far the worst part of the game
The last to cemmentaries only played wow.
There are a decent number of mmos with no effective level cap, unfortunately a good number of them are pay to win as hell.
There’s this one kid who’s like 14 at my work and he was in the break room at the same time as me and started talking about games, I’ve never been prouder. Kid has literally been building a repertoire of all the old classic games and playing through each one
@Б а т ю ш к а -l- I may have to
26:51 He is exactly right. I started playing vrchat recently thinking "oh I will just hangout with people without talking and without a VR headset" but as soon as I need to try and explain something to someone and emotes/head movement fails to convey that. it makes me want to try and build up my confidence and just talk, because after doing so, I generally start to feel excited and wanting to talk more because its not as bad as my mind is thinking it is. I still have trouble trying to talk when there is a huge crowd around but with just a few people around, I can usually gain enough confidence to speak and it makes things so much more fun for me since I can just try to be myself even with my occasional stuttering. It basically gives me that weird feeling that makes me feel more alive. Just within the 3 days I have been playing it, My social interaction has increased and social anxiety has decreased immensely as opposed to the first day where just standing around people while looking through a monitor knowing my mic is set to push to talk I would get major anxiety and almost a sickness feeling in my stomach.
Part of the problem is people chasing the fresh start high that you get when playing a new MMO. The feeling of playing a new MMO where nobody has any real knowledge of the world and it's mechanics and everyone is just running around discovering new things and trading information and secrets with each other. That feeling no longer lasts very long because of how much more connected players are through various community message boards and TH-cam. Information is discovered and posted almost instantly and now people know of content and what to do before a patch is even officially released.
It's part of the consequence of better technology and how people no longer really need to rely on making new friends or forming a community to do things. There pros and cons to it all but, a lot of old heads just need to accept the reality of things and how much they've changed.
"its so hard to separate nostalgia from reality" - Asmon 2021
That shiet hits hard man :| !!
Exactly what I think about these people excited about D2R...
No it really isn't.
I play Ragnarok since I was 7 years old but my best memories are from 2 years ago, when I was 22.
4:50 Ocarina of Time actually did look amazing. As one of the first real 3D action-adventure games ever made, it had to pretty much invent a ton of the systems it worked with. As a technical accomplishment, OoT is just short of perfect.
imagine how many people would just jump in a hyperbolic time chamber and just play mmos all day without aging lmao then one day they try out real life remember its ass and go right back in
I guess this disproves the Experience Machine and now we should all be Hedonists.
@@taylorkirkland3529 I read it to see what it was and the thing that I don't like about the experience machine is the idea of rating something you haven't used .. imagine this day in age asking someone if they would use a product..they are more likely to be informed because of the amount of personal research they can easily do on the computer, not just what they may think off the top of their heads," He then asks, if given the choice, would we prefer the machine to real life?" you cant answer that without trying the machine. If you asked me if I prefer an Iphone or android, and ive only ever used androids how could I prefer the iphone, but then it goes even deeper because if he says its indistinguishable from your current phone,but better...than why even ask the question because its obvious a person would prefer what they had but better
@S Gr oh whoops well yeah just reverse the polarity its obvious if you actually know the science
@S Gr Yeah it's even been confirmed to be the case, gohan aged (1 or 2 years, I forget) in the hyperbolic time chamber in 30 minutes, what we want is the opposite of that, so in 30 minutes I've aged maybe 2 seconds while I'm playing my favorite game.
This shit sent me waaay down the basement. Can't take these feels
do you have a basement under your basement?
@@89Tymah baseception
Asmongold should make video where he interviews youngsters who are living their time
I remember playing burning crusade for the first time and not knowing if the people I saw around me were real people lol. It was a really novel experience chatting with people online in a video game and doing quests together and having your guild mates help you out and just being bored and going online to talk in guild chat. Cant capture that sense of community when everyone has a smart phone, so many apps to keep your attention, social media, etc. Back then all I had to keep my attention was the WoW community
I tried ultima online for the first time ever in 2019. It was fucking awesome. I did not get very far mind you. Just had a house and made a necromancer and a tamer. Still travelling the world hunting down rare animals to tame and sell was really good. No idea what the main goal of that game even was but I enjoyed it.
My grandmother's been playing UO longer than I've been alive (I'm 24 at time of writing.) Any online game that has been around for a quarter of a century should be praised.
Must not forget why you started to play wow and liked it. Because of Warcraft RTS. It made the world more homely and familiar. It made the first starter zones automaticaly nostalgic back in your first moments of vanilla wow. Lore and world building was already there. You really only needed to play Warcraft III campaign saga to be all set for wow.
ASMON PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT INTERVIEWING A COUPLE DIFFERENT YOUNGER PLAYERS TO PICK AT THEIR OPINIONS AND FEEDBACK PLEASE THAT WOULD BE SO INTERESTING
im 17 and I would do this
Wow was huge in my life but if I could relive the one time I had the most fun, it would be playing monster hunter on the psp with the boys, they'd come to my house on weekends and we'd play till our eyes bleed out. Pretty much what Asmongold mentioned he used to do with the boys and playing wow. I lived through some shit in life but reminiscing those weekends are one of the very few nostalgic moments that make me emotional every time without fail.
Life truly fucking sucks, like he says, at the end of the day, it is what it is.
LOL. Asmon bitching about boomers having a strong opinion. The irony is palpable. Asmon is like one step away from calling in to talk radio and complaining about stuff !
Asmon IS talk radio haha
hit a nerve did he?
okay you've got a point but I would clarify by saying boomers have strong STUPID opinions and asmon does not.
@@aa-tx7th Honestly it seems like your nerves got struck
"Why you're not having fun in MMO's anymore"
I do, but only in Guild Wars 2
I do
But only im WoW
I do but only in ESO
I do but only in FFXIV
I love you guys, we may be all enjoying different games, but we all know that feeling FeelsStrongMan
@@OLBarbok everybody with its memories and buddies...good times
I think it's that sense of accomplishment too, I can only speak for myself but as a 17 y/o with social anxiety, no job, no friends that wouldn't go outside hitting 2k arena in TBC was a HUGE deal for me. In perspective I'm 29 now, I've got 3 children and a life, sure hitting 2k would be cool but back then it was the best thing in my life and that can't be replicated
I'm 33 this month, I have a 2 year old, i started playing back in TBC..... this video made my soul cry a little.... nothing else to say but... this video = BIG... FUCKING... TRUE
This puts me in a unique position, I am 42, but enjoy the mmo's still because when I started playing WoW in early BC, I was already an adult, working full time, paying off a house, and raising my 7yo son as a single dad. I never had the carefree teen years playing games. Also, you hit the point that the games facilitated social interaction, Josh has another video you should check on that very subject. He was saying earlier mmo's were designed more like a chat room with a game around it, whereas these days discord etc covers that so the design of games changed accordingly.
Was just me that had school 8 hours per day and in home still have to do the homework and now that i am working and have my own house have more time for gaming XD. For me the real problem of mmorpg is reward vs risk don´t exist any more, every one is always rewarded...
@Java Monsoon Can confirm. My buddies and I jumped into Albion online because it sounded like fun. We had a blast until we got about halfway through gear progression and was basically forced to PvP which we were fine with. My 2 buddies love pvp and I'm the healer so it works out. The problem was, the entire game is basically player run with no systems in place to prevent monopolies or griefing. So pretty much 5 players owned every city merchant and everything was stupid overpriced, while the developers did nothing about it. We got bored after a month and a half and quit playing.
Albion also has loot drop on death depending on the region you're in, so you could get all your good crafting gear, go out harvest all your next tier of shit, but that zone is flagged for pvp, so you get all your shit, die to some cunt and his buddies havin' a giggle and lose all your hard work. then you're back to square 1, farming from the first tier again unless you have money.
@Java Monsoon RVR exists within the pve aspects of games as well, dude.
@Java Monsoon
Ah so basically you're arguing that it isnt *as significant* in PVE while saying that it doesnt *exist* in PVE. Kay. Forgot I was dealing with the masters of hyperbole in the MMO community lol.
@@wdf70 why you didn't join an alliance to have alteast some safe spots to do content?
@@escarretada Ehh. We got pretty far on our own but the player owned markets really killed our enjoyment. Since everything was so expensive because monopoly. 1 player literally owned an entire city and it bled to each one of the major hubs. Repair costs were expensive, making gear was expensive to the point where one of my buddies and I dropped 10$ on gold to make it decently tolerable. But eventually we got burnt out and each slowly stopped. We never really hit the "dangerous" zones before we decided the game wasnt worth the grind.
came for the mmo commentary, left with a sudden mid life crisis...
In the past you need to live and enjoy the life that included playing games, nowaday you need to survive and using games as a scape way from a diminissing return world
I loved discovering wow when I played TBC, most of it was when I had alot of time to give to this game as well. Just the music and experience of walking around the world and figuring out paths to get to dungeons was actually really cool. Hearing the classic Arathi Highlands soundtrack transports me back to my highschool days again, but thats still nostalgia. I'm sure kids today playing any new games/mmos will have the same experience. Having said all that, just from experience I can tell that accomplishing things has greater value than just being handed things and most of the games today ring hollow because of the latter.
There’s nothing wrong with playing games as you get older, you just need to manage your time better and set certain times to play, like if you have tasks in the real world you need to complete, do those first and reward yourself with game time after.
Oh yeah this is totally the best way to play games or really anything that someone does in their free time. Its just harder to execute since I and many others have ape brains and need instant gratification .
I can't enjoy games anymore.
There is always this "reality of the adult life" in the back of my head.
MAYBE if I was a multi-millionaire living in a tax haven, I'd feel careless enough to fully enjoy vidyas.
@@jakubnowak3408 preach!
@Java Monsoon It's the awarness of all responsibilities and problems of the everyday life + "opportunity cost" of playing games, while there are so many things to work on... (gym, career development, investments, diet, healthy habits etc.)
@@jakubnowak3408 man what a feels trip
Happyness is the most important thing to have and enjoy a game... believe me, to start to enjoy any game (even bad games) and find the charm and start to dedicate on that game, i think that is my secret to keep playing, actual job, commission, streaming and games, find the balance and of course being happy with your schedule with a happy sorrounding? is a good factor to play games and enjoy them... happen to me a lot with old/new games, since i start to get a stable life learn how to love a game you start to see games with a "remastered" look and start to enjoy the actual game you wish to dedicate some time and get into
this is so true
Yeap!
Right on spot ma dude
I partially agree with the video, but some of my best memories in gaming came at a time when I was feeling at my worst: in a new city, no friends, struggling with depression.
I remember OSRS took up all of my free time during that time period, and the sense of accomplishment and satisfaction of a job well done on something I cared about was an awesome experience.
When WoW Classic released (re-released), I felt the magic in the first few weeks and especially days just like how it was back in the day, so it's not always 100% related to the period of your life but I can understand the point he is making.
It was amazing! Sadly I ended up quitting mid aq40 was tired of constantly optimizing
Except what you are saying is exactly what he said, that if you go back to an mmo you used to play that the nostalgia will rush to you, and the case is especially there for Classic WoW by giving you the experience of the game as it was when you first played it.
@@ChunkyCoffee Or maybe the game was just better back then? Nostalgia doesn't keep you playing from 1 to 60 and then the dungeon and raid grind. If it was just nostalgia, you'd play for a few hours and realize that the game wasn't actually good and then quit.
Asmon just describing himself within the first 2 minutes there.
My first mmo was everquest back in 1999 where you were thrown in a world where you could easily get lost in. There were no TH-cam videos or really any guides that held your hand and when you died you potentially lost a full days worth of xp and Goodluck getting your body back if you remembered where you died. The crazy thing is even now that I'm 35 I still remember most of those individuals I played with. That experience is just something you can't just relive. I've had some good mmos throughout the years but none come close to me and everquest.
Nah, it's not just nostalgia and being a kid, because I just had the same feeling of playing wow for the first time with playing Valheim for the first time. It was with a solid group of dudes, and that does help it capture that feel that we want, but it was the content that we gathered around. The fun, HARD content that brought us together to tackle certain challenges was the key.
I like how the chat kept telling asmon he's everything he complained about in the video glad it didn't go unnoticed
man the existential crisis i just had watching this video made me depressed as hell. A part of me would love to have someone freeze time when I was 13, 14 years old.
I always hear about how the 13-14 year group was soo good and that I should be so happy to be this young! But I never time to actually live it, 6 hour school with 3 hours homework and bed by 9 I barely even get to play my favourite game super smash bros melee during the week!
Tell me, was your childhood really that good? I wish I can know how it felt 😔
@@barringer_6894 I did all assignments at school and as a kid you've a lot of vactions too and in the weekends you could play all day.
@@barringer_6894 because it only gets worse. U think it’s bad now? No it’s not 😂😂 wait till u got real responsibilities that affect whether you have a place to eat or sleep
Middle-age is gonna hit poor Asmon like a freight train.
He's only 30. Middle age is 45-54. Quite a ways off still but yea, he's gonna slow down around the mid to late 30s on after so he (and anyone else his age or younger) needs to not take anything for granted. Trust me on that, I'm nearly 18 years older than Asmon so I've been there!
@@randomguy4781 That's a big Amen!
I haven't LOVED an MMORPG since SWG. But going back and playing SWGEmu isn't the same. I still love the game, but without the population to flesh out all of the things that made it great, it's not the same. Can't have the massive rebel vs imperial pvp battles when current servers might see 300 people, over half of which are afk bots. The reason MMOs aren't the same these days is because convenience killed socializing. Nobody needs to talk or be friends. You can get into a group, run a 10 min dungeon without saying a single word, and get out not having made any friends or anything. Everquest sucked me in because of how social it was. I made many friends there, and built several relationships that followed me through several games, only to die out with WoW as it began to promote antisocialism.
My favorite moment in an MMO was simply hunting Bol's in Star Wars Galaxies with a group, it was so fun to just sit and talk for hours while grinding out exp.
Wow the fortnite example is perfect for my age group. I'm 22 right now, I was 19 when I discovered the game. In reality not much has changed besides mechanics and convenience. But everyone always says season 2-4 was the best moments of the game. I had more IRL friends playing the game cause nobody was burnt out of it yet, my wins I had was such a low number it still had a burst of dopamine attatched to it. My skill level was lower so things like a double kill or killing a whole squad was incredible. After time went on these things held less and less importance
Edit: actually I do realize Epic did make a bunch of horrible patches over and over again and ignored their player base and made the game pretty horrible. So that definitely contributed to it's fast decline
Hey to be fair I feel the same and Im 32. I was playing with some work buddies and my kids. Sadly Ive lost touch with those work friends and now I have some nostalgia.
@@XFR18 actually that's accurate the devs kept implementing the dumbest most ridiculous ideas changing the game entirely and alienating majority of their player base within a few months you right. Epic is so bad, actually worse than blizzard
I'm 32 and nothing will ever touch 1999-2002 Everquest for me. It was just the perfect time of the internet being so new that you had to figure stuff out for yourself. The death penelty was harsh which made you plan out exactly what you were doing and you had to be careful. There were people who lost all their gear becauae they died in a place impossible to get back to without a lot of help. Gamers these days just don't like that kind of challenges. The general social aspect of the game because besides for maybe 3 or 4 classes it was impossible to solo and you had a lot of downtime so there were way more social interactions and because of the smaller server sizes you knew every guild and your reputation actually affected you getting into good groups and raids. WoW through TBC is obviously my 2nd choice and i put a ton of hours into that as well.
So real talk the conversation and mystery between people about items/bosses/whatever is something I miss. Too many times I’ll ask a question or see someone ask a question in chat only to be met with “look it up”. Like dude I could do that but I’m trying to actively engage with the people around me😂
Don't mind me, a 23yr old, feeling personally attacked due to starting off with Video Games at the age of 3, sending my first email at 4, and experiencing the beginning of WoW at the age of 7. Grew up on Genesis, Super Nintendo, N64, Gameboy, Yugioh, Pokemon, Digimon, Inuyasha, Big O, Blood+, Eureka Seven, WoW, etc. I feel a thousand years old compared to those around my age when in public.
Recently returned to gw2, having a blast with the new content.
Been loving it. Even though weve been getting smaller update recently as of late, they build on eachother.
Just hyped for EoD
Same with me, i dropped wow and been playing gw2 non stop for a year. Gw2 made me realize what other gamed were missing.
Guild wars just doesn't punish you for not playing. And gearing is easy. Everything about wow is just keeping up with the jones to get that good drop or vault piece.
Things from 9 years ago are still relevant to guild wars 2. You play that game to have FUN. You can do whatever you want.
@@anannoyedpanda yeah but you still want to keep playing even though you dont have too, and there is always so much to do
@@zerti86 i played it back then and same thing happened to me cause it didnt have much endgame, but now it has lots of it, raid, fractals (mythic+) wvw , pvp ,strikes (mini easier raids), and the best endgamr for me, legendaries lol
Nostalgia is such a cancer. Its a nice memory on one side, but it also makes your present more and more depressing, until there is nothing left for you but memories. And before you know, you become a memory as well,
:'(
I am watching your video. I am 52 female. I would like to see the new Amazon MMO. I was not 16 when WoW came out. I never expect things to stay the same. Change is constant and it makes life easier if you accept that truth. I loved City of Heroes and Toontown and those games have been ressurected. Going back and playing them gives you an amazing feel of nostalgia. But there are games coming that will be spectacular as well. Wait until everyone has a VR set like _Ready Player One_ . The past is the past but we can look forward to something different in the future that may give us a new experience we didn't expect. OMG I remember the beanie babies Happy meals there was a cop directing traffic at our Mc Donald's it was so annoying. I had kids that just wanted happy meals. I think what was really heinous was the people throwing out the food just to have the toy. Dayum, give that food to the hungry or have a food drive where a bunch of people buying the toys donate a pile of food for the hungry. So 2006 is going to be different depending on how old you are. Perspective's change over time but the younger you are the more new experiences you have. It's about catching lightning in a bottle. That was done with the First Star Wars movie. Both kid _and adults_ were equally excited about this new space mythology. The MCU had amazing movies. Then a time came where there was no original material and everyone was trying to make their own fake lightening by using the same stuff over and over again. I think that now they need to make new intellectual properties and new things to bottle that lightning. Look at *The Expanse* , it is a very successful Sci Fi series that is totally new. So is *For all Mankind* . There will always be something new coming. Just wait for technology to catch up.
nothing is as fun once you can't stay up until 6am anymore without feeling like your soul is leaving your body
Ouch... I'm 36 and played UO in junior high. It was fun. There are certain aspects that I miss from it, but I am real enough to understand that it is a very dated system.
Same, I'm only 34 and I played UO in its heyday and everquest at launch. How old is Asmon? Like early 30s? Seems kind of an incredulous thing to say for games he could have also played when he was a wee lad.
UO's main strength was the player interaction with the world, rather than with each other. I think the former is what made it great, and the latter is what ruined it, mainly because of the poorly implemented pvp system.
Yep i played uo during middle school. Ran a pk guild on The Alter Realm if anyone remembers that shard :D
We just have to wait 150 years for vr capsuls KEKW
The only thing that kills online games are sweats.
I mean there always been competition but it was fun, nowadays most games feel like you play for world tournaments for x prize and its stressfull and consuming asf, takes all the fun of a game to give 100% everytime in a game.
E sports killed it.
your analysis around 27-28 minutes about the games training people to become better in real life is so profound and on point.
Only Pausemongold can make a 14 minute video into a 38 min reaction.
that's how you make content out of other content creators' content.
He's a good React Andy though, better than some other channels that just watch the whole thing without any meaningful input
To be fair I made a 7 minute argument into a 14 minute video.
This ain't nothing many have made minute videos into hours of content lmaoo
@@JoshStrifeHayes True, you repeated yourself quite a bit.
i am 50 playing classic and having a blast cant whait for TBC CLASSIC is live
Nowadays people playing MMO's are viewed only as numbers by other players. Yea no thanks.
I love the feeling of progression and something new to discover . We all start like that is joyful and adventurous.
It's about nostalgia of being young. This is a conversation we often have with my group of friends. We would go on these long "Oh you remember that" type of stories. We can still have these experiences , the difference is we are now adults. We did not care how late we got into bed back then, we could do whatever we wanted . It's not the same anymore, we have what, maybe like 4 hours a day of game time and that is if you ignore everything else in your life? For perspective, sometimes we only play 2 times a week for less than 8 hours total . And it's not like we are old , we are in our late 20s. What we really miss was being kids and not having any responsibilities whatsoever. Even if the best MMO in the world came out i would not play it. You know you are screwed in terms of time when a simple server crash pisses your entire group off because the game wasted like 10 min of our play time lol. But let me tell you, when all of us get like a week off of work, all of sudden our interest in games goes up, we stop bitching and actually enjoy playing the games.
Shit bro this hurts. Ive had this same realization and I always just try to ignore it. But it is the haunting truth that our generation is growing up and dealing with much bigger concerns than a computer screen lately
I don't agree completely. What about the rest of us, who still have time to play and don't have all that much to do outside of gaming and work? It's not just nostalgia for me. I've played older games that I used to love. Ultima Online was my first MMO. They don't hold up. That's nostalgia. This is different. I still have time to play long hours. My interests have changed, that's to be sure. However, there is something missing to most modern games. I'd rather exist in a world that is alive. I'd like to see less development of mechanics and more development of a world that I can adapt to and live inside. I think that's why a lot of indie developers can't make the games that they'd like to. The ones with enough money tend to make games that make more money, which are usually theme park type experiences. I'd still love to see a big time studio create a sandbox world with sandbox mechanics, and modernize the game. People would quickly realize that it's not such a niche market after all. Look at how many people play games like Tarkov. Rust. SCUM. DayZ. And a number of other more relatively unknown projects that don't get the hype. It has less to do with a niche market, and more to do with the quality of game. The market has millions and millions of fans. Very few developers ever captivate that audience.
The future of MMO's is in VR, I don't see MMO's making a real comeback until we get the first 'WoW' of VR. As they talked about in the video, the social experience is a huge part of it and VR makes those social experiences so much more real and memorable.
@@F4c2a Yea it's definitely going to take quite a while before there's a halfway decent VR MMO.
If it's like The Oasis in Ready Player One where I'd have to wear a helmet gloves and other things, have to move around IRL, and risking breaking a bunch of my shit instead of it being like the Matrix in The Matrix trilogy (even though the latter isn't supposed to be a video game world) where I'll be put to sleep and get plugged in then I'll pass on VR MMO's FOREVER
I think for me, the hardest part of getting into a new mmo is content. There is just so much shit to do in WoW, that it's hard for a new mmo to compete.
no, quality is more important than quantity. A good story, a good map/world, good characters/creatures and the rest can be added over time.. You don't 4000 quests on day 1
But a bunch of good ones..
As an "old gamer" (not a boomer, but not far away), I found ESO to be the best that happened for a very, very long time. The graphics, the fluid combat-system, the new re-worked champion-point system, the different classes etc. etc... Absolutely love it! I never played WoW, but I did play a lot of Lotro.. these games are however quite old now, and the graphics and combat-systems aren't really as emersive as ESO, by far.
Back when I teen I could play Runescape for hours. Now a days I play mostly single player experience I missed out on. I still play some MMOs namely Warframe. I tried FF14 and I didn't get into it as much as I wanted to. It sucks. I am 26 now and the main thing I think about is my career.
Good for you! Keep it up, get a wife, get kids, when they grow up you get to play games with them.
@@Fiffelito Well I am a woman so I hope I can find a husband. Only thing I would change about the scenario. I would someday love to be able to share my hobbies with a family of my own.
I started playing in stormblood, got to max level etc.
FF14 base game had some adventure but was lacking. Questing and storyline would get dull and the game was not as fulfilling, dungeons sucked tbh.
The later expansions were better in the quest line and content but worse in item system... Like the item system was destroyed. 99% of the gear upgrades were junk from very early on in the each of the expansions because they provided easy to obtain super OP gear.
As Asmongold said, the actual content matters. Now he said it's 40% the content and design to 60% nostalgia, I'm not sure if I agree with that ratio but the idea behind it I do believe with and already knew before watching this video.
All in all FF14 was never an amazing game and I think it is missing various certain key aspects that made old games enjoyable. Now the game isn't garbage. It has some things going for it but, it has critical problems especially in all of the pre-end game.
I know what you mean about feeling like a part of something, I feel like that with FFXIV
It only takes going back and playing a few games from your childhood or teen years to realize nostalgia will usually let you down. There's no recreating those moments in your life.
When I was a wee lad, I was in love with the Digimon games on the PS1 and 2, and I really enjoyed Shadow the Hedgehog on Gamecube. I never understood why other people didn't like them. But then, I grew up. Recently I went back and tried them again.
It was soul-crushing. A couple of those had some nifty glimpses of quality in them, but they generally sucked. And sucked hard, each one finding a new way to be terrible. I'm still a fan of both franchises, but it's heartbreaking to go back and realize how bad the games in your childhood could be.
Being a warcraft player before wow even came out, I remember the first time I logged in and made a character and feeling like the world was already familiar to me. Seeing vol'jin for the first time and knowing who he was, seeing thrall, continuing the story of warcraft 3 was an amazing experience for me. Although I don't pvp anymore, I remember specifically having beef with alliance players in stv and in tarren mill and just all out wars of lowbie characters fighting for no reason. Amazing time.
Best moments of gaming in my life were playing Diablo 2 and OSRS
I’m 18, and I decided to playing WoW last year during the beginning of 8.3 with a couple of friends from school, and I really do think there is a lot of truth to what he is saying. I have never played an MMO before WoW and I was completely just mesmerized and in awe of the world and the social aspect of WoW. I learned about the basics of the game my first couple of months, and started to get into the mythic+ and mythic raiding scene. I went 5/12 mythic nya’lotha, and got KSM during that season, which I know isn’t the best but playing WoW was, and still is the most fun I’ve ever had playing a game. Whenever I looked online, there were so many complaints about how horrible 8.3 was and BFA and I just couldn’t understand because I was having the time of my life. I was so motivated to improve my skills, get better gear, and go further in my mythic+ and raiding progression. When shadowlands started I got 5 friends to start playing with me and leveling together the first time, doing dungeons and even going into castle nathria for the first time with them was a magical experience. I definitely think a lot of the magic comes from the fact that it is your first time experiencing it. Right now I’m 6/10 M in Castle Nathria, and though I am feeling a little bit of burnout, there is still fire inside of me to play the game.
I started wow in Bfa too, in 8.1. Enjoyed it quite a lot, but when classic came out I enjoyed leveling 60 there, twice as much. Old mmos were in fact better, even without nostalgia to sugarcoat it.
@@dushas9871 agree. I quit wow in cataclysm and came back for classic. I had a blast. Cant stand retail unfortunately, tried leveling several chatacters to just quit after a few hours.
"You don't have fun because you can look up everything online"
Pro-Tip: Don't look.
Tbh I still get that feeling when I find a new series of games and play through them, even the older installments. It is always interesting to see how the game series itself evolves though, like most recently going through the kiseki series
Wish i could relive Wotlk,Legion, and Mop days i had such blast in game due to realy great people i played with.
People is what defines a great experience.
Wow was the best memories I had with my friends, the most pure and innocent. I would love to go back to those days and experience that moment again when I was 14 hopped up on energy drinks and grinding levels and dungeons in wow with my best friends. Now my life is consumed by work, girlfriend, and alot of my friends are dead now. Some of them never made it out of the party phase and it consumed their life. Mmo's gave me some of the best memories I'll hold onto and take to the grave.
This hit me right in the feels. I’m 35 with a baby, a job, family and little to no free time. The guys right. Back in the day I was 19 and had no real responsibilities and a ton of free time to binge wow. Man ... I miss those days. Wow actually gave me some long lasting friendships with folks I have known for well over 10 years and still friends to this day.
This exactly cements ny reasoning for never having kids. I have a good job, go the gym after work but then after that my time is 1000% my own. I'll maybe settle down one day but I don't ever want kids. Too much bullshit to deal with. And I'll only settle for someone who games and understands the importance of time alone or personal time.
Having been in a relationship with someone for 6 years where I was a step dad and someone who did not respect my hobbies or my free time I would never ever make that same mistake again
Mobile games killed gaming. Dont know why these people would rather ruin their phones with greasy fingers and play on a 5 inch screen baffles me. PC FOR LIFE! FOOK MOBILE!
There is just one philosophy that significantly differentiates the MMOs of yesteryear to the MMOs of today: The intent that the game should be a virtual world and functioning society, while giving players full agency in how they participate in it.
There isn’t a real reason to grind MMO’s, they have been a watered down to the worst standards
Was there ever a reason besides bragging rights against your school friends? That you don’t have anymore?
There was never a reason to. Never. Not even scarab lord etc. All worthless BS.
I developed the most as a person by joining guilds/outfits/Clans. It got my comfortable being who I am and gave me the confidence to lead others.
My fave moment in an mmo was probably when our FC leader in FFXIV decided to gather us up together, get our hands on the best man tux set and dye it honey yellow. The one dye colour that no one had because the FC leader bought out the markets entire stock from every selling player on the server.
We then just started using dance emotes a laminsa's big crystal.
The co-ordinated dance in matching suits with matching dyes from the same FC drew a lot of attention. So while also doing these co-ordinated dances we'd do these filed walks around laminsa. It drew so much attention that it got the chats talking and our FC leaders plan was a success. He sold out his stock of honey yellow dye that he decided to resell. Lol.
This ultimately ended with half of us entering a raid and just dancing around the boss. Literally.
Somehow we even danced through a room-wipe and had to wait for the dot damage from the floor to kill us to restart the boss.
Those were the days.
yeah, bfa was just as good or better than tbc only nostalgia is the difference >_>
bfa was the worst xpac of all WoW's history lol wtf
@@biosyn-ab4261 didnt you watch the video? :p
The Pokemon Go example hit the nail on the head for me, because I didn't even have a phone that I could play that game on, but my friends invited me to go all around the city anyways and it was a social time, I remember they showed me pokemons and stuff they got, they explained the lvling and gym system, etc. All I did was hang out with them. And I remember that shit with nostalgia. So he's right. Sometimes the social experience is what's important.
Pokemon go isn’t that long ago...
Except he is making a lot of assumptions to come to his conclusion; I have lived with handicaps etc my entire life -- my life looks VERY MUCH the same like it did 17 years ago.
The focus on "Turning players into payers" and having the entire industry invaded by people like Bobby Kotick who literally said "Take the fun out of games" as Head Bosses of these companies; THAT is the issue.
Our games are no longer fun from the bigger perspective because they are no longer made to be fun: They are made to be addicting and taking our money.
I agree, the heart and soul of video games isnt there any more, the very design of the game now considers how to make you spend more time playing it rather than how to make you have more fun.
Games were made as a passion project and the only people in the industry, for the most part, were people that genuinely loved it, being the "nerds and geeks". Now games are almost entirely for profit with very little being as a love for gaming. We see more often than not an abuse of the playerbase with extremely inflated prices, cut content, buggy releases, surprise mechanics, locked progression, microtransactions, p2w, cosmetics > gameplay updates, etc...
This is why I'm so hyped for Ashes of Creation and why most MMOs fail miserably, including why interest in gaming is falling hard to where most people will open up their steam library, stare at it for a few seconds, and then close it.
I was born in 2000 and just barely missed the golden era of MMOs, but I got to be a kid during mw2, halo 3, LoL, CSGO, OW, etc... I got to live during the golden age of gaming and most likely the internet as a whole. When I could call someone a retard and we would have a little back and forth in the lobby while everyone else laughs at us, when people would post curse links for a group VC in lobbies, or when I could call a group of friends over for splitscreen gaming.
I'm 23, still having a lot of fun playing games, especially MMO's and other games like ARK.
I just love to sink into another world, fully explore everything, do quests and interact with other people. Guild Wars 2, WoW and ESO fully fulfill this need for me and I love it.
I think one of the biggest factors that adds to this ''MMO's aren't fun anymore'' is that most MMO's can be played alone now.
WoW is the best example there, where you had to team up with other people and interact with other people to do dungeons, quests, etc. Now it's just the dungeon finder.
Having a blast in classic again. It really is timeless and there's no way I'm going back to retail. Hoping for something new but, I'm not holding my breath anymore. If you can't have the one you want, love the one you're with.
"We still have Old School Runescape" eh, the community around main cities started to die out after the addition of the Grand Exchange. Before the GE cities were packed with players selling items, looking for groups or friends. Nowadays players meet outside the game or gather in discord chats. There is an older version of RS available, but its not the one I used to know.
the older version called runescape classic is no longer officially available
@@melvingleis4972 this wasn't classic. Rs2 didn't have a grand exchange until 2007. Classic released in 2001 while RS2 released in 2004
I understand how you feel, but honestly OSRS is better than it ever was. The updates and improvements to the game, as well as Runelite have made it way more fun to play. We still have some player interractions through houses and I occassionally talk to people while skilling, and I am sure there is a lot of conversation around raids/dungeons. GE has made the game more accessible, but also sped up the process of many things. I'd hate to think about finding that one guy trading fucking beads for a quest. 75+% of people wanted the GE in the game as well, and not many people complain about it, so it's safe to say that your personal experience is very niche.
@@readifdumb the game being more fun gameplay wise isn't something I would argue against but the community aspect is why mmo's are fun to play for myself and most people. I wouldn't say its niche. The Grand Exchange definitely makes the game more accessible and brings in more casual players, but it also stops them from reaching out into the community. Having a one stop shop for all quests, gear and items help, but isolates.Sure, the GE itself isn't the reason for the change in community but the beginning of the streamlined mmo experience. Worlds are full but the chats are full of bot spam or theres a
3 people chatting. The community existing on twitch chats, discord & other services outside the game does not help the average player when they just play the game.
@@readifdumb for note, I'm not arguing against the Grand Exchange at all, just stated an experience going from 2006-7scape and watching the community slowly become solo and isolated
a point worth baring in mind with the "Back in 2007, 08, 09" stuff wow was still on a climb, the people playing it and newcomers outside of it could look at the game and tell at a glance that it was worth playing, the Default UI didn't look like garbage in comparison, the visuals still looked new enough to be acceptable for facilitating so many players. Nowadays if you take someone with no connection to the RTS games but enjoys Fantasy content they look at WoW for a half second and immediately go "I have a job, i'm not sure i'd enjoy this it looks old and outdated" it cycles back around to the fact that we as people have changed
I think a huge difference was theory crafting and game guides. Back than I just played the game and figured it out as I went along. Tested new builds myself, used certain weapons or armor because the the effect or look rather than checking weapon speed and seeing if it was actually optimal. Now everyone tries to play games as optimally as possible, looks up the best way to level, looks up the best gear to wear, what classes are good or bad. People make far less choices on their own and instead turn mmos from a game into a job.
I'm 98 years old and mine still gets harder than a petrified rock.
Lmfao
Lets see a video of you doing that with anybody?
Becoming a dad bringing back those feelings again.
When I was sixteen, MMOs didn't even exist, the only games were text adventures and NES games. XD
Imo, the true golden age of MMOs were somewhere around 2012-2016 because that's when we had a bunch of MMOs being at least decently active or starting up at the time. For example: Tera, ESO, BDO, WoW, Aura Kingdom (not that popular, but still had a decent number of players), Blade and Soul, FFXIV: A Realm Reborn + Heavenwards, etc. GW2, The Secret World, DCUO
Not all, but most of these were at their peaks in playerbase during those years.
But in today's era, we have much fewer active MMOs, but for the ones that are at the moment... they're MASSIVELY populated compared to their past. Especially since they're getting way more attention from the media than they've ever had