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I bought a used 2013 Cayenne GTS and was only planning to keep it 2 years. That was 7 years and 129,000 miles ago. A great car with minimal maintenance!!
Great to hear that,myself i'm looking for a mint one colour trim wheels miles. Did you had problems with the transfer box? which i know it does have a recall.
Funny how he formed an opinion based on not very much and then took 20 years to work out the truth. Had one when they came out, a monster of a car, fast, corners, refined, what's not to love.
Loved my Gen 1 Cayenne and often look at the classifieds to man-math another onto my drive. Facelift Gen 1 GTS sounds the best but I’m with you on the Turbo (or Turbo S) - that’s the one that would get my money. Interior upgrades and extra punch for the win. Great video as always James! 😎👊
Your video on the first gen pre facelift cayenne convinced me to get one and I convinced myself that the V6 is enough. For me a car in a more reserved spec with smaller wheels and a less screaming and hopefully more reliable engine, at least for the early Cayenne models, made more sense for a daily errands car. I’m very happy with it so far.
You did well, V6 is enough if you dont have to go faster than normal 2 liter family car speeds, which most people dont. And way less potential trouble of course.
Thing is, the V6 is basically a VW engine with a different intake, whereas the V8 is a Porsche design. Not sure it makes a huge difference is reliability as VW engines are pretty good.
I had driven this with manual gearbox back in 2014. I think for whole state of Latvia we had exactly 1 car with manual gearbox, which tells a lot of how rare that option was for the GTS. I loved every bit of it, both on road and offroad, great car, great value retention, great durability.
Mad respect to JayEmm for doing this video. 957 Cayenne GTS are extremely good bang for your buck. We haven’t even went into the off road capabilities either. Have owned one for almost 2 years and picked up a second one in GTS Red with PDCC. Don’t think I’m getting rid of that one!
I just recently got myself exactly one of these, its featured in another video that you can find on here from a couple years ago, look at cayenne van Mark. Thats now mine. Crazy good vehicle. Full Option.
Love to see you becoming more aware of the goodness of the Cayenne. My first introduction to the Cayenne was literally the introduction, at a launch event at Shea Stadium in Queens, NY. I was able to do their auto cross setup in a turbo and was blown away at how agile it was. And powerful! I had recently done so,egging similar at the X5 launch and the Cayenne was on another level…and the Bimmer was impressive! Many years later, my first Porsche was a Cayenne diesel. 10 years later we still have it. With 120k on the clock it hasn’t been the most reliable thing, warranty has helped. But it’s so beloved that when we went to replace it with a new one….we kept it and sold a newer car instead. I suspect that won’t last long, we’ve no need for two SUV’s but that tells you how much we love it. Porsche has done a masterful job of enfusing its DNA into a nose heavy SUV. Remarkable. Capable and confident, the fun is still in there if you dial up the switches and press on. Loving this series! A GTS manual would be the business.
It's worth noting that the gearbox isn't made by ZF, it's an Aisin (Toyota) gearbox which makes it quite reliable other than some annoying valve body issues in older models.
Nice summary with lots of good points made - very much enjoyed it. Another option which might tempt you/others is the facelifted 'S' which has the same 4.8 V8 with only a few HP less. Main difference is the price (picked ours up for 7k) which is a decent chunk for a mostly similar car, especially if someone has been busy with the options boxes - 19k on ours including air suspension, sports exhaust & 21" cayenne sport wheels (+ arch extensions) etc. I was also put off by engine murmurs on the earlier 4.5 and find the facelift more visually appealing so this was a happy compromise as the 'family car'. Issues so far after 18 months / things to watch out for: 1) all 4 headlights & tail light clusters have moisture of some sort in them - will be resealing in the near future. 2) 4-zone climate controls have failed in the back - not that fussed as just use the front controls 3) EML has just appeared faulting knock sensor - will replace at service 4) windscreen washer fluid pump is a bit weak - will replace at service 5) noticed a very slight hesitation once or twice under acceleration so have replaced all 8 coil packs as a precaution Other than that a hell of a lot of car for the money if you can stomach the woeful fuel economy and I genuinely enjoy driving it - just make sure your partner fills it up... EDIT: did I mention it's ULEZ compliant?!
The way to go is a 958 diesel model on steel springs and 18 way sports seats. It will give all the torque and more which is lacking in the GTS, and nearly 700 miles of range. I have had mine for 12 years.
Nice! Just bought a super clean, one owner 2015 diesel (My husband and I live on a ranch in Texas with cattle and horses so all our trucks are diesel and we love them especially for towing) so going for the diesel Cayenne was a no brainer. We plan on doing a complete overland off-road build. Hoping to keep this beast forever! We also went with one with no air ride so happy to see others confirm that it was the better choice 👌🏽 We bought a tuning chip as well which will greatly increase the hp & torque.
I had the diesel, did 100k klink a year, and traded it in on a GTS. Loved the sound, power and go-anywhere ability. But the seats were a bit narrow for me (I’m 6’4” 120kg) and with our bad roads in South Africa the 21” wheels were very prone to popping on potholes… went through 9 tyres in 1 year, and had the rims repaired each time.
Recently picked up a 2014 GTS with all the right options! The sound is incredible and the handling is amazing. Power is pretty good. Not a turbo, but on a back road, I prefer the GTS. Feels more engaging than later models.
I have a 2014 and just picked up a 2023. Yes, there is an added layer of squidge in the newer cars. The base steel suspension is horrible. Mine has steel with PASM, better. I think the new facelift with the updated air springs will be the sweet spot.
My friend has a manual one of these with air and the active antiroll bar. its insane how it handles. Throw it into any corner and it stays perfectly flat.
I just bought a 2016 TDV8 with most options present. I've had it remapped and it's now producing 700lb ft. Its a superb vehicle in every respect and is absolutely savage when pressing on.
Wholeheartedly agree that the V8 TDI is the better & smarter choice that makes the GTS obsolete. With 850nm of torque & much more important, 50% better fuel economy it’s a no brainer. Though I’ve read a lot of issues on the DPF, but feel this relates to owners who drive short distances, which is not good for any diesel engine.
Nice summary Jay, Turbo got my vote. PDCC is hilarious. I tend to remap everything and I see no point whatsoever in looking for a Turbo S as they map to identical power as the Turbo. 4.8 957 was the sweet spot for me, I do all my own maintenance and love how it gets down the road. If you buy the GTS you’ll always hanker after the Turbo! Welcome to drive mine. 😊
I had a 2006 Turbo S with 520 bhp, very much a love/hate thing, but I was proud of it. I do want another, but will do my best to wait for a 2011 2nd gen, as the first one spoilt me and a facelift is too similar inside. I got 17-19 mpg out of mine which I was okay with. I have pondered the GTS, but now you've made my mind up for me, in short 'enough', really isn't enough. Turbo, or V8 Turbo diesel is the only way to go.
@@frankjaeger3268 you got it in a great spec then! The shifts improve enormously if you fit a 997 shifter to it. I had a custom mahogany knob made by a guy on rennlist as a homage to the 917. It was on a 997 adapter but fits the cayenne perfectly… gets rid of the rubbery shift feel
Nice mention there of @AutoalexCars. Both you and Alex are on my fantasy Top Gear host line-up. :-) Could you at some point collab on a video? Perhaps once you both have your Cayennes?
hi James, I have a 2011 turbo diesel, I bought it for travel from UK to Switzerland for skiing etc, I get 44mpg yes 44 ok it's diesel but in sport mode its quick enough, if I had to keep only one car from my collection the cayenne would be the one i would keep.
Turbo. I have the 958 Cayenne S 4.2 V8 diesel, amazing car. Having full power available so low in the revs is addictive. 0-60 is 5 seconds in my car which is the same as the 958 GTS. 30 MPG! It’s outside your budget but the 958 is a way better car is every way. Definitely worth a drive in the 4.2 diesel, so much torque!
A decade ago my son sent me an '04 Cayenne S by rail from Vancouver. Marvellous fun getting to know it and the Porsche network online. According to what I read, I had become a naked (without warranty protection) cliff jumper (owns 1st Gen Cayenne). Repairing the car became my favourite hobby for four years until I bought a used Lexus es300h and grew up. In a time of rising fuel prices, the Cayenne per mile cost 2.7 times as much to drive as the hybrid, and it has ventilated seats. My son stayed with his '04 S for several years, towing a 20X8.5 car trailer with it. Then he reluctantly sold it for a BMW M2, but now he's back to a Cayenne plug-in electric, due to arrive in a week. A 240 watt, 40 amp plug in the garage has become the new family welcome mat.
Enjoyed that, thanks. I know it may not be the "enthusiasts choice" but I'd you do get to review a facelifted tdi, maybe with a remap, if love to see that. Not everyone wants the fastest. For me those days are gone.
Very fair review. I own a 2008 Cayenne 3.6L VR6 and also a 2009 GTS that i am restoring and your comparisions are very spot ok as far as likability and value. Yes the facelited turbo model is much more value and fun, but the GTS is all time allaround best fun and value and reliability
@@getdealtwithquick it all depends what kind of shape it’s in. On paper, sure. In reality, it depends. A beefier cardan shaft on the S is surely a bonus, just as the 50 extra horses🙂
Considering either this week, here stateside. They will be at elevation, Rockies area, so their inherent purposes will be realized. Such great cars, their thorough engineering, great Porsches! Perhaps both join the stable..
The first gen was a beast off road, the second gen was pushed much more for to the road side of the equation, no where as good off road. So it depends on what you want to do, if you want to surprise the locals at your off road trails you need a first gen.
Another nice review :-) I love my wifes gen 2 diesel cayenne :) Great on fuel on the motorway but loads of go when you need it.. Love the retro ending by the way 🙂
These things are the face of Porsche. They are everywhere. Other than the Macan, you never see anything else they offer. When you do it stands out like a unicorn.
I had a 957 series Cayenne S for years and loved it. I only sold it to get into a 911 and although I don't regret it, I do miss the Cayenne. One thing I did find is that it's much more fun to drive in sport mode so figured out a way to keep it on as default, but to get into nutcase mode, best have it in sport mode and traction control disabled. Makes it a lunatic.
I had one, the biggest let down of that car is you can never go below 16L/100 (13mpg) on average, no matter how you drive. In France is was 160 euros of gasoline every 450km. After that I got the following generation in Turbo, and it was much more fuel efficient. I could get 11L/100 (22mpg) average without trying to drive slow.
I’ve owned the Diesel and the GTS (2009) I agree with the assessment that it lacks torque low down. I also owned a Mini Paceman S at the same time, and tbh the Mini was a more fun drive
The thirst is really the biggest dealbreaker of these cars. Everyone talks about the cost of them breaking, but the fact is even when it works - it's thirsty
Thank you, James! This video may help increase the price of the 2009 Cayenne Turbo I will advertise this week. 😀 Although, I'm not sure I want to sell it. It is in pristine condition and is more of a brute than my much later Turbo S e-hybrid, which is mute in comparison.
Beautiful Car . I have a S in white with wooden steering wheel and sun roof and wood trims and titanium exhausts and Turbo look pack :) … and I love it.
I had a 2009 GTS until last year, sold it to buy a house. Was modified with a remap and throttle commander, completely changed it. Also had it stanced too. By far the very best car I have ever, and maybe will own
Some points regarding the transmissions Jay The 955 and 957 Cayenne automatics had an Aisin unit, not ZF. As an owner of a 957 GTS Manual and a 955 Turbo S, I don’t think this SUV needs a manual. First gear is impossibly short and the clutch and shifter feel aren’t nearly as precise as a 911. It’s still enjoyable, but driving the Turbo, I don’t miss it.
Cayenne GTS owner here, PDCC is a MUST!! A 2tonne tank cornering as flat as a 911 is something else. Serious cars for the money and the pick of the bunch. The interior in the GTS makes all other Cayennes look awful with their flat shiny seats, that was one of the main reasons for me getting the GTS over the turbo. The GTS is just missing the turbo gauge cluster! Air and PDCC makes the Cayenne a superb car for all driving moods.
In something this big you need low down torque for everyday driving, as James noted. The V8 Diesel has double the GTS torque, and similar power. And does 30mpg. The V6 diesel manages 35mpg, and is actually the better long distance cruiser, but is slow, and feels like a Touareg in a pretty dress.. It's the V8D torque that makes the Cayenne the car it should be. James, you may miss the noise of the GTS (I mean, who wouldn't), but makes sure you try a V8D before you make any decisions. As a daily, it's impeccable.
Those things are cool. Also probably help started the mainstream crossover boom. I know others came before. But the RAV4 is the best selling crossover in the world and one of the oldest.
I’m so tempted to get one of these! I’m on the lookout for a vehicle that can tow but also has the legs for big long journeys, be it motorways and rough rural roads. I think the cayenne is a surprisingly understated vehicle these days too, especially as so many cars have grown bigger and more aggressive compared to it.
Get a facelift diesel in that case. On the other hand, what do you tow that a normal family estate cant? Lots of people underestimate the towing ability of... well almost everything.
@@GoldenCroc I don't tow with it. I use it for things like hauling sheets of lumber and drywall in addition to lawn equipment and such. Not real sure that a station wagon will do well with 4x8 sheets of lumber and the occasional lawn mower, weed trimmer and edger. I can't complain about mileage. I took it on a short 300 mile trip today and got 20 mpg out of a 5.3L 5500lb barge that is slightly more aerodynamic than a paving stone.
@@bmstylee Hi. Sorry there was a misunderstanding, I wasnt replying to you, but to the OP, otherwise I would have quoted your name. In any case, if you want one as a toy, know that the weight takes its toll of you drive fast and for serious offroading the aftermarket support isnt that great.
9PA is the most solid cayenne ever. They were just to costly to build. They ditched the low range too after this model. Maybe a bit outdated design today, but still feels like a new car. They are just well built SUV. You have to try either 9PA GTS or a turbo with air suspension and PDCC. its a huge difference! The turbo may give you lower gas consumption though.
Maybe like the rest of us your just getting a little older. I moved from honda ep, s to crv, s and its the best move car wise I've made. Loves me a bit of comfort these days 🤣
Think a manual GTS with rear locking diff and PDCC fitted would be the ultimate package, a real Unicorn though, you really need to try PDCC in a Cayenne. It defies physics.
My recommendation: Get a low"er" milage pre facelift Turbo S with lots of options and a cool color combination. Thats the most special cayenne you can get for around 10k. Though I guess a facelift turbo will probably have some reliability (and styling) benifits
Dont know how prices compare, but except for the extra "s" the facelift is the same or slightly better in everything. Of course, the lure of having a "unusual model" might well be worth it. Another thing is a E81 powerkit Turbo. The powerkit is what later was renamned to the turbo s as a runout special.
Don't be fooled, a turbo will be more expensive long term. There are simply more things to break, like a couple of turbos. Also the gearbox, physics as you said, huge power and a lot of weight puts immense stress on it. I'm no expert on these, but on the sportier trims things like a simple brake job get very expensive fast. No problem should you find a decently maintained example with the expensive work already done. Very enjoyable cars, i've been in one that had the air ride and couldn't believe that a SUV could drive that well. I'd fancy one, but the tax situation in my country of residence doesn't exactly incentivize it.
Even after all these years I still can't stop viewing any performance SUV as performative consumption and quite distasteful in a way a quick estate/hot hatch/ sports car aren't. I assume they are driven by the kind of people that react to someone telling them they are vegetarian by stating they will eat twice as much meat to compensate.
I did say get a fast wagon for your sensible car. But I’ve got an SUV for all they offer. Especially on the motorway. A wagon is gonna be thinner for parking tho
I don`t get the V8 variant one bit. Call me crazy, but shouldn`t a 2,5 tonne full size SUV be considered a grand tourer? Wouldn`t a V6 be sufficient? Different gearing, bonnet shaping, suspension, fancier ground effects which (as far as I`ve noticed) makes it either worse on fuel or bad handling for the power.
Another great video. I have had this same debate but even included (gasp) the V6. I am a bit of a fuel economy guy….obviously just a bit. I haven’t yet driven a GTS. But I will need to get that done soon….
Honestly if you care about fuel economy, you either can't buy a petrol SUV or just get a diesel model. SUV and fuel economy are just a massive NOPE. Even here in UAE, we actually go with that in mind on SUVs (and we have Patrols and Land Cruisers ofcourse). Only thing you can expect is decent range out of the big tank, over 15L/100 km is a regular thing.
I was going to offer James mine to drive, I’ve got one! Just waiting for the V5 to arrive (previous owner lost it) and I’ll send him an email asking if he wants a go :)
@@frankjaeger3268 bet it's a bit quicker... but I don't understand why they didn't make the engine bigger, at least for the GTS. I worked out that an offset grind on the crankshaft to take Honda K24 rods plus an off-the-shelf bored-out block would give just over six litres...
Porsche products, in general, are quite special. I'm not sure that I could pull myself away from the exhaust note of the E1 Cayenne GTS. Hard to go wrong with either choice though!
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I bought a used 2013 Cayenne GTS and was only planning to keep it 2 years. That was 7 years and 129,000 miles ago. A great car with minimal maintenance!!
Great to hear that,myself i'm looking for a mint one colour trim wheels miles.
Did you had problems with the transfer box? which i know it does have a recall.
bigest ticket is probably filling it up
I have a ‘14 GTS and can confirm. That naturally aspirated V8 is the best
Me too. 2014 4.8 liter. Unbelievable! My 911 992 all summer GTS winter
As a Cayenne owner for 10 years now- you are absolutely right in each aspect.
except the way he says "Porsche" PORSCH-AH!!
@@youtubegarbage7876 As a German I am used to the fact that english spaeking people are obviously not able or willing to pronounce PorschE correctly.
Funny how he formed an opinion based on not very much and then took 20 years to work out the truth. Had one when they came out, a monster of a car, fast, corners, refined, what's not to love.
I've got a 957 Cayenne S and I don't think it lacks torque. I love it, it's also got the off-road package with a locking rear diff. Rare old beast.
Loved my Gen 1 Cayenne and often look at the classifieds to man-math another onto my drive. Facelift Gen 1 GTS sounds the best but I’m with you on the Turbo (or Turbo S) - that’s the one that would get my money. Interior upgrades and extra punch for the win. Great video as always James! 😎👊
957 is the best Porsche Cayenne ever made, 2009 GTS😍🙌🏻
I always thought Cayenne was ugly growing up. But with modern Crossovers and SUVs the looks aged really well
It's almost classy now isn't it?
Your video on the first gen pre facelift cayenne convinced me to get one and I convinced myself that the V6 is enough. For me a car in a more reserved spec with smaller wheels and a less screaming and hopefully more reliable engine, at least for the early Cayenne models, made more sense for a daily errands car. I’m very happy with it so far.
The VR6 in the Porsche sounds amazing with a rear silencer delete, 957 with the 300bhp 3.6 would be a lovely daily.
You did well, V6 is enough if you dont have to go faster than normal 2 liter family car speeds, which most people dont. And way less potential trouble of course.
Thing is, the V6 is basically a VW engine with a different intake, whereas the V8 is a Porsche design. Not sure it makes a huge difference is reliability as VW engines are pretty good.
@@ckm-mkc It does make quite a large difference. To the negative for Porsche, sadly. The hotted up VR6 has less flaws.
@Richard Wehli Off topic but is your nickname ‘give it some’?
I had driven this with manual gearbox back in 2014. I think for whole state of Latvia we had exactly 1 car with manual gearbox, which tells a lot of how rare that option was for the GTS. I loved every bit of it, both on road and offroad, great car, great value retention, great durability.
Mad respect to JayEmm for doing this video. 957 Cayenne GTS are extremely good bang for your buck. We haven’t even went into the off road capabilities either. Have owned one for almost 2 years and picked up a second one in GTS Red with PDCC. Don’t think I’m getting rid of that one!
I just recently got myself exactly one of these, its featured in another video that you can find on here from a couple years ago, look at cayenne van Mark. Thats now mine. Crazy good vehicle. Full Option.
@@a3aan97 Nice! I just saw the video. Red cluster dials and red seat belts with PDCC too. What a spec enjoy!
Love to see you becoming more aware of the goodness of the Cayenne. My first introduction to the Cayenne was literally the introduction, at a launch event at Shea Stadium in Queens, NY. I was able to do their auto cross setup in a turbo and was blown away at how agile it was. And powerful! I had recently done so,egging similar at the X5 launch and the Cayenne was on another level…and the Bimmer was impressive!
Many years later, my first Porsche was a Cayenne diesel. 10 years later we still have it. With 120k on the clock it hasn’t been the most reliable thing, warranty has helped. But it’s so beloved that when we went to replace it with a new one….we kept it and sold a newer car instead. I suspect that won’t last long, we’ve no need for two SUV’s but that tells you how much we love it. Porsche has done a masterful job of enfusing its DNA into a nose heavy SUV. Remarkable. Capable and confident, the fun is still in there if you dial up the switches and press on.
Loving this series! A GTS manual would be the business.
It's worth noting that the gearbox isn't made by ZF, it's an Aisin (Toyota) gearbox which makes it quite reliable other than some annoying valve body issues in older models.
Nice summary with lots of good points made - very much enjoyed it.
Another option which might tempt you/others is the facelifted 'S' which has the same 4.8 V8 with only a few HP less. Main difference is the price (picked ours up for 7k) which is a decent chunk for a mostly similar car, especially if someone has been busy with the options boxes - 19k on ours including air suspension, sports exhaust & 21" cayenne sport wheels (+ arch extensions) etc.
I was also put off by engine murmurs on the earlier 4.5 and find the facelift more visually appealing so this was a happy compromise as the 'family car'.
Issues so far after 18 months / things to watch out for:
1) all 4 headlights & tail light clusters have moisture of some sort in them - will be resealing in the near future.
2) 4-zone climate controls have failed in the back - not that fussed as just use the front controls
3) EML has just appeared faulting knock sensor - will replace at service
4) windscreen washer fluid pump is a bit weak - will replace at service
5) noticed a very slight hesitation once or twice under acceleration so have replaced all 8 coil packs as a precaution
Other than that a hell of a lot of car for the money if you can stomach the woeful fuel economy and I genuinely enjoy driving it - just make sure your partner fills it up...
EDIT: did I mention it's ULEZ compliant?!
Comprehensive,highly informative and entertaining.
Thought provoking,great cinematography. Turbo for my money
I don’t think people realise quite how good value the E1 Cayenne is
Porsche has benefits to never changing their ‘look’
except for sticky buttons😅
Cheap to fix run and maintain
Until it goes wrong lol
Unforgivable front end
The way to go is a 958 diesel model on steel springs and 18 way sports seats. It will give all the torque and more which is lacking in the GTS, and nearly 700 miles of range. I have had mine for 12 years.
Nice! Just bought a super clean, one owner 2015 diesel (My husband and I live on a ranch in Texas with cattle and horses so all our trucks are diesel and we love them especially for towing) so going for the diesel Cayenne was a no brainer. We plan on doing a complete overland off-road build. Hoping to keep this beast forever! We also went with one with no air ride so happy to see others confirm that it was the better choice 👌🏽 We bought a tuning chip as well which will greatly increase the hp & torque.
GTS all the way. V8 sound is awesome!
I had the diesel, did 100k klink a year, and traded it in on a GTS.
Loved the sound, power and go-anywhere ability.
But the seats were a bit narrow for me (I’m 6’4” 120kg) and with our bad roads in South Africa the 21” wheels were very prone to popping on potholes… went through 9 tyres in 1 year, and had the rims repaired each time.
Recently picked up a 2014 GTS with all the right options! The sound is incredible and the handling is amazing. Power is pretty good. Not a turbo, but on a back road, I prefer the GTS. Feels more engaging than later models.
I have a 2014 and just picked up a 2023. Yes, there is an added layer of squidge in the newer cars. The base steel suspension is horrible. Mine has steel with PASM, better. I think the new facelift with the updated air springs will be the sweet spot.
You are killing it with the frequent uploads. Best of luck
I think the 2013-14 GTS is the one to have with updated everything and the last NA V8 in the Cayenne line.
Exactly this!
The best 958 gts gen 1.
My friend has a manual one of these with air and the active antiroll bar. its insane how it handles. Throw it into any corner and it stays perfectly flat.
Its starts to lean a tiny bit a high G loading as a safety measure funnily enough.
One of the very few that Ive seen or heard of with both! Thats straight up unicorn territory for a manual GTS. Very few on the road Im sure.
I just bought a 2016 TDV8 with most options present. I've had it remapped and it's now producing 700lb ft. Its a superb vehicle in every respect and is absolutely savage when pressing on.
Wholeheartedly agree that the V8 TDI is the better & smarter choice that makes the GTS obsolete. With 850nm of torque & much more important, 50% better fuel economy it’s a no brainer.
Though I’ve read a lot of issues on the DPF, but feel this relates to owners who drive short distances, which is not good for any diesel engine.
I have the 2nd gen Cayenne S Diesel. Fantastic car. V8, twin turbo and returns 30mpg.
Nice summary Jay, Turbo got my vote. PDCC is hilarious. I tend to remap everything and I see no point whatsoever in looking for a Turbo S as they map to identical power as the Turbo. 4.8 957 was the sweet spot for me, I do all my own maintenance and love how it gets down the road. If you buy the GTS you’ll always hanker after the Turbo! Welcome to drive mine. 😊
Ahhh the Cayenne GTS, the enthusiasts choice especially if you can get a hold of a manual variant
they were in manual?interesting🤩
Jayemm did mention it too but uncommon sight back then even more so now
I had a 2006 Turbo S with 520 bhp, very much a love/hate thing, but I was proud of it. I do want another, but will do my best to wait for a 2011 2nd gen, as the first one spoilt me and a facelift is too similar inside. I got 17-19 mpg out of mine which I was okay with. I have pondered the GTS, but now you've made my mind up for me, in short 'enough', really isn't enough. Turbo, or V8 Turbo diesel is the only way to go.
Had this in one of 300ish or so manuals that were sold. Absolute blast of a car, this video is making me have some regrets getting rid of it
As a current owner of a 6 speed GTS, I don't think I'll ever let it go.
I’ve got a manual too in carmine red, beautiful motor! Assuming you get the shifts right, it’s quicker to 60 than the auto too (or so I’ve read)
@@frankjaeger3268 you got it in a great spec then! The shifts improve enormously if you fit a 997 shifter to it. I had a custom mahogany knob made by a guy on rennlist as a homage to the 917. It was on a 997 adapter but fits the cayenne perfectly… gets rid of the rubbery shift feel
I’ll look into that, I felt like the shifts were rubbery too! Cheers lad 👍🏼
I want a Lexus LC500, would be a great car to repalce my XKR with.
Nice mention there of @AutoalexCars. Both you and Alex are on my fantasy Top Gear host line-up. :-) Could you at some point collab on a video? Perhaps once you both have your Cayennes?
Gen 1 Turbo is in the lower £360 tax bracket. Turbo also has the kudos and will help with resale.
I have a 2017 Macan GTS, it gets 25 mpg, and drives brilliantly.
Great review! Just one note, the 6 Speed Triptronic is manufactured by Aisin, and not ZF (the successor 958's 8-Speed was a ZF) if i'm not mistaken...
hi James, I have a 2011 turbo diesel, I bought it for travel from UK to Switzerland for skiing etc, I get 44mpg yes 44 ok it's diesel but in sport mode its quick enough, if I had to keep only one car from my collection the cayenne would be the one i would keep.
Love the sound of that engine. These got my attention back in the day. Compared to the rest of those pretend SUVs. Very nice vehicle.😎🏁🏁♥
Turbo. I have the 958 Cayenne S 4.2 V8 diesel, amazing car. Having full power available so low in the revs is addictive. 0-60 is 5 seconds in my car which is the same as the 958 GTS. 30 MPG! It’s outside your budget but the 958 is a way better car is every way. Definitely worth a drive in the 4.2 diesel, so much torque!
The Sport button actually opens the exhaust up too. Sounds great especially on startup
That XC90 driving past made me realise... you should totally review a XC90 or (the even cooler) S80 V8
A decade ago my son sent me an '04 Cayenne S by rail from Vancouver. Marvellous fun getting to know it and the Porsche network online. According to what I read, I had become a naked (without warranty protection) cliff jumper (owns 1st Gen Cayenne). Repairing the car became my favourite hobby for four years until I bought a used Lexus es300h and grew up. In a time of rising fuel prices, the Cayenne per mile cost 2.7 times as much to drive as the hybrid, and it has ventilated seats.
My son stayed with his '04 S for several years, towing a 20X8.5 car trailer with it. Then he reluctantly sold it for a BMW M2, but now he's back to a Cayenne plug-in electric, due to arrive in a week. A 240 watt, 40 amp plug in the garage has become the new family welcome mat.
I bought the Porsche Cayenne GTS just like this one but with 6-speed MANUAL. - love it!
I particularly like the wheels, especially in this practical colour.
Yeah... the ones he showed that were nice in his opinion looked awful
I have a fantastic 2008 GTS cayenne manual. More than welcome to test it if you want. It’s epic.
Concise and entertaining video. Hopefully you can review every version of this car including the diesel, v6 and hybrid. Keep up the good work.
The steering is different unless the original owner specced it with the Servotronic steering option, which the Turbo gets standard.
Enjoyed that, thanks. I know it may not be the "enthusiasts choice" but I'd you do get to review a facelifted tdi, maybe with a remap, if love to see that. Not everyone wants the fastest. For me those days are gone.
Saw you go by James. Was walking my dog at 9.52 😄 Great review - was looking forward to this one 👍
Why do I find myself dreaming of V8 ownership while watching this 🤦🏼 Yet another great review James 🇬🇧
16mpg and £167 to fill the tank, you’re alright 😢
Very fair review. I own a 2008 Cayenne 3.6L VR6 and also a 2009 GTS that i am restoring and your comparisions are very spot ok as far as likability and value. Yes the facelited turbo model is much more value and fun, but the GTS is all time allaround best fun and value and reliability
My neighbour had a Guards Red GTS back in period, he loved it, so did I. The only SUV to own.
I think you’ll enjoy the turbo, most. I have two! (Turbo and turbo S). They’re comfy, decent speed and I love the look. It’s my favorite SUV🙂
In your experience, is the Turbo S worth the Premium over the Turbo?
@@getdealtwithquick it all depends what kind of shape it’s in. On paper, sure. In reality, it depends. A beefier cardan shaft on the S is surely a bonus, just as the 50 extra horses🙂
Considering either this week, here stateside. They will be at elevation, Rockies area, so their inherent purposes will be realized. Such great cars, their thorough engineering, great Porsches! Perhaps both join the stable..
I miss my 2006 Cayenne Turbo S, which I traded in for a 2012 Chevy Tahoe
These and the vw audi equivalent are great 👍 probably certain ones are better than others.
The first gen was a beast off road, the second gen was pushed much more for to the road side of the equation, no where as good off road. So it depends on what you want to do, if you want to surprise the locals at your off road trails you need a first gen.
6sp GTS on conventional springs... buy it and watch it appreciate
Another nice review :-) I love my wifes gen 2 diesel cayenne :) Great on fuel on the motorway but loads of go when you need it.. Love the retro ending by the way 🙂
958 Diesels are awesome. We love ours.
The GTS is around $60k here in the US, if you can find one.
These things are the face of Porsche. They are everywhere. Other than the Macan, you never see anything else they offer. When you do it stands out like a unicorn.
I had a 957 series Cayenne S for years and loved it. I only sold it to get into a 911 and although I don't regret it, I do miss the Cayenne. One thing I did find is that it's much more fun to drive in sport mode so figured out a way to keep it on as default, but to get into nutcase mode, best have it in sport mode and traction control disabled. Makes it a lunatic.
I had one, the biggest let down of that car is you can never go below 16L/100 (13mpg) on average, no matter how you drive. In France is was 160 euros of gasoline every 450km. After that I got the following generation in Turbo, and it was much more fuel efficient. I could get 11L/100 (22mpg) average without trying to drive slow.
Yeah thats about right and you might as well floor it all the time as it will drink the same.
Seems like Cayenne is flavour of the last couple months on TH-cam motoring lol, I just can't get passed the looks.
I’ve owned the Diesel and the GTS (2009)
I agree with the assessment that it lacks torque low down. I also owned a Mini Paceman S at the same time, and tbh the Mini was a more fun drive
Heads to the classifieds……
Had an early Turbo for a few months and it was fantastic. Bit thirsty tough
The thirst is really the biggest dealbreaker of these cars. Everyone talks about the cost of them breaking, but the fact is even when it works - it's thirsty
Thank you, James! This video may help increase the price of the 2009 Cayenne Turbo I will advertise this week. 😀
Although, I'm not sure I want to sell it. It is in pristine condition and is more of a brute than my much later Turbo S e-hybrid, which is mute in comparison.
I’ve never really considered these for myself. After watching this review it might be time to re - evaluate this wonderful car
Beautiful Car . I have a S in white with wooden steering wheel and sun roof and wood trims and titanium exhausts and Turbo look pack :) … and I love it.
I had a 2009 GTS until last year, sold it to buy a house. Was modified with a remap and throttle commander, completely changed it. Also had it stanced too. By far the very best car I have ever, and maybe will own
You look 12….
I'd honestly love to see a review on the cayenne turbo GT thing that Harry Metcalf did a while ago
Some points regarding the transmissions Jay
The 955 and 957 Cayenne automatics had an Aisin unit, not ZF.
As an owner of a 957 GTS Manual and a 955 Turbo S, I don’t think this SUV needs a manual. First gear is impossibly short and the clutch and shifter feel aren’t nearly as precise as a 911. It’s still enjoyable, but driving the Turbo, I don’t miss it.
Cayenne GTS owner here, PDCC is a MUST!! A 2tonne tank cornering as flat as a 911 is something else. Serious cars for the money and the pick of the bunch. The interior in the GTS makes all other Cayennes look awful with their flat shiny seats, that was one of the main reasons for me getting the GTS over the turbo. The GTS is just missing the turbo gauge cluster!
Air and PDCC makes the Cayenne a superb car for all driving moods.
In something this big you need low down torque for everyday driving, as James noted. The V8 Diesel has double the GTS torque, and similar power. And does 30mpg. The V6 diesel manages 35mpg, and is actually the better long distance cruiser, but is slow, and feels like a Touareg in a pretty dress.. It's the V8D torque that makes the Cayenne the car it should be. James, you may miss the noise of the GTS (I mean, who wouldn't), but makes sure you try a V8D before you make any decisions. As a daily, it's impeccable.
Weirdly good looking car imo. I'd love to see you review a 1st gen RAV4
Those things are cool. Also probably help started the mainstream crossover boom. I know others came before. But the RAV4 is the best selling crossover in the world and one of the oldest.
Same, love the super tourismo style wheels. And I don’t think you said SWEET SPOT once!
I’m so tempted to get one of these!
I’m on the lookout for a vehicle that can tow but also has the legs for big long journeys, be it motorways and rough rural roads. I think the cayenne is a surprisingly understated vehicle these days too, especially as so many cars have grown bigger and more aggressive compared to it.
I agree about wanting one for a toy. I daily a 1/2 ton 4x4 pickup(and yes I actually use mine as a truck) so making a luxury prerunner is tempting.
Get a facelift diesel in that case. On the other hand, what do you tow that a normal family estate cant? Lots of people underestimate the towing ability of... well almost everything.
@@GoldenCroc I don't tow with it. I use it for things like hauling sheets of lumber and drywall in addition to lawn equipment and such. Not real sure that a station wagon will do well with 4x8 sheets of lumber and the occasional lawn mower, weed trimmer and edger. I can't complain about mileage. I took it on a short 300 mile trip today and got 20 mpg out of a 5.3L 5500lb barge that is slightly more aerodynamic than a paving stone.
@@GoldenCroc I need to tow up to 3.5 unfortunately so it narrows the field a lot!
@@bmstylee Hi. Sorry there was a misunderstanding, I wasnt replying to you, but to the OP, otherwise I would have quoted your name. In any case, if you want one as a toy, know that the weight takes its toll of you drive fast and for serious offroading the aftermarket support isnt that great.
I think you’re on to something with these. Good shout.
Did a car vertical check on a Volvo v70 recently. Car had 11 owners on the logbook. Car vertical showed 4
Really enjoying the reviews mate keep it up. Could you get a toyota starlet glanza v review done? Thanks....
If I can I will
9PA is the most solid cayenne ever. They were just to costly to build. They ditched the low range too after this model. Maybe a bit outdated design today, but still feels like a new car. They are just well built SUV. You have to try either 9PA GTS or a turbo with air suspension and PDCC. its a huge difference! The turbo may give you lower gas consumption though.
Maybe like the rest of us your just getting a little older. I moved from honda ep, s to crv, s and its the best move car wise I've made. Loves me a bit of comfort these days 🤣
Think a manual GTS with rear locking diff and PDCC fitted would be the ultimate package, a real Unicorn though,
you really need to try PDCC in a Cayenne. It defies physics.
My recommendation: Get a low"er" milage pre facelift Turbo S with lots of options and a cool color combination. Thats the most special cayenne you can get for around 10k. Though I guess a facelift turbo will probably have some reliability (and styling) benifits
Dont know how prices compare, but except for the extra "s" the facelift is the same or slightly better in everything. Of course, the lure of having a "unusual model" might well be worth it. Another thing is a E81 powerkit Turbo. The powerkit is what later was renamned to the turbo s as a runout special.
Don't be fooled, a turbo will be more expensive long term. There are simply more things to break, like a couple of turbos. Also the gearbox, physics as you said, huge power and a lot of weight puts immense stress on it. I'm no expert on these, but on the sportier trims things like a simple brake job get very expensive fast. No problem should you find a decently maintained example with the expensive work already done. Very enjoyable cars, i've been in one that had the air ride and couldn't believe that a SUV could drive that well. I'd fancy one, but the tax situation in my country of residence doesn't exactly incentivize it.
Thanks for the video and stay safe ✌️
Thanks J, perhaps you need to try one more variant?!🙏🙏
I'm planning to get 2011 Porsche cayenne s😊
Even after all these years I still can't stop viewing any performance SUV as performative consumption and quite distasteful in a way a quick estate/hot hatch/ sports car aren't.
I assume they are driven by the kind of people that react to someone telling them they are vegetarian by stating they will eat twice as much meat to compensate.
I did say get a fast wagon for your sensible car. But I’ve got an SUV for all they offer. Especially on the motorway. A wagon is gonna be thinner for parking tho
when you have beer money but champagne taste
I don`t get the V8 variant one bit. Call me crazy, but shouldn`t a 2,5 tonne full size SUV be considered a grand tourer? Wouldn`t a V6 be sufficient?
Different gearing, bonnet shaping, suspension, fancier ground effects which (as far as I`ve noticed) makes it either worse on fuel or bad handling for the power.
Another great video. I have had this same debate but even included (gasp) the V6. I am a bit of a fuel economy guy….obviously just a bit. I haven’t yet driven a GTS. But I will need to get that done soon….
V6 is still very thirsty. Its not so much cylinder and displacement but the sheer mass of the car and heavy 4wd system that takes its toll.
Honestly if you care about fuel economy, you either can't buy a petrol SUV or just get a diesel model. SUV and fuel economy are just a massive NOPE.
Even here in UAE, we actually go with that in mind on SUVs (and we have Patrols and Land Cruisers ofcourse). Only thing you can expect is decent range out of the big tank, over 15L/100 km is a regular thing.
A manual gts is the one to get!
Should have tested a manual one! That seems like such a compelling package...
I was going to offer James mine to drive, I’ve got one! Just waiting for the V5 to arrive (previous owner lost it) and I’ll send him an email asking if he wants a go :)
@@frankjaeger3268 bet it's a bit quicker... but I don't understand why they didn't make the engine bigger, at least for the GTS. I worked out that an offset grind on the crankshaft to take Honda K24 rods plus an off-the-shelf bored-out block would give just over six litres...
@@richardharrold9736 Are you a mechanical engineer Richard?...
Great review - feel like you’re talking really fast lol? I had to check I didn’t have the playback speed on x1.5
Porsche products, in general, are quite special. I'm not sure that I could pull myself away from the exhaust note of the E1 Cayenne GTS. Hard to go wrong with either choice though!
How long will you own it ? Naturally aspirated will be less expensive to own, probably , but if you move it on in a year or two, go for the hp.😊
Wait until you have tried a 958 4.2 V8 diesel. Yes its a fair bit more money, but so worth it.
6-speed auto is by Aisin, from Japan, not ZF.
Jay, please drive the 2nd gen Diesel S preferrably with a remap!
Yep sounds better than the turbo did 😊
Thoughts: Buying a cheap (rough) early Cayenne Turbo and drive it until it dies. Under $5000...