Thanks for this video. I was under the impression that the 5800X3D beat every non-3D CPU on AM5 but I was surprised to see the 7600X beat it a lot of the time. My plan is to build an AM5 PC with the R5 7600 and then later upgrade to the best gaming CPU available for the AM5 socket.
Something seems off with that R23 benchmark. My new 5700x at stock gets 13500+ and now gets 15000+ with a minor tweak, while he has the 58x3d getting only 11.4k? Edit: From looking around, seems like it could be a windows power plan issue? It should hit 14000+ at stock with reasonable cooling.
Like I said. Nothing scientific. Didn’t do anything different than anyone else that builds their PC would do. Could be the increased clock speed on the 5700x VS the 5800X3D. Same cores and threads right?
@@DannysTechChannel LTT gets 14.8k stock on their 58x3d. th-cam.com/video/O0gbfvJDsv4/w-d-xo.html Not sure whats going on but someone did have issues with setting Ryzen power settings, switching to a windows balanced setting got them to 14.5k+.(from 11k)
@@TipToeDonkey the X3D CPUs are generally worse at CPU workloads like R23 than the regular X ones because the X CPUs can boost higher without the sensitive cache on top of them. Although a power plan could've contributed to that. I use Ultimate Performance which is only available on Windows 10 Pro for Workstation and Enterprise LTSC.
I understand games are advancing, but in the end i don't feel its enough to have to upgrade yearly or even three years.. I made my 2600k last from 2011 till 2017 and i wasn't unhappy. ive gone through many gpus but i have two kids and a misses i have pcs built for, i think the longest running gpu i own is now my vega 56 which my misses has. anyway im on a watercooled 6900xt and a 5800x3d and outside of a gpu upgrade for my kids and misses i dont feel i should need an upgrade for a few years. the pc i own now was the first time i went all out and i don't plan on doing that yearly lol
I agree. Yearly upgrades are quite unnecessary. The thing that’s making it look like upgrades need to happen more frequently is games are poorly optimized and higher-end systems are less affected by that. Great setup BTW. If you have time, swing by the Discord and share the build! discord.gg/RHpYJKQY4e
7800x3d it's a beast, but I'll probably keep my 5800x3d paired with 4080 for another year, at 3440x1440 the difference might be negligible. Thanks for the benchmarks!
I took your recomendations, for AM4 budget upgrade, the 5700x its the Best. I love that CPU, also the extra cash was used on a better GPU (the Rx 6700XT). Thks Danny 😊
A friend of mine has a R5 1600X and his motherboard supports the 5800X3D but he refuses to upgrade and would rather build a new PC with a Ryzen 8000 CPU, but he also said he might wait for AM6, and when AM6 is out I'm sure he will say he's going to wait for the second CPU generation on that socket.😂
Most gamers are happy with what they have. If his PC is playing all his games fine, there’s no reason to upgrade. Waiting till the next generation, “hoping” for a huge leap in performance seems to be a common thing lately too.
I went from 3800x to a 7800x3d and i gained about 50% higher FPS across the board in all games. im happy as fuck that AM5 is new and ill be able to upgrade to a 8000/9000 or a 10000 series later down the years lol
@@heskoo2k yes the upgrade path really is brilliant, I'm too much of a cheapskate and tell myself I won't be gaming that much to make a purchase worth it, you enjoy your 7800X3D though
He's probably also running a gtx1660 I imagine? If the gpu was ever upgraded it's suffering. It's fine of he's got a system just as outdated as the processor. I wouldn't go below a 3600. That's bare minimum to be ok
Why does the 5800x3d get the same FPS as the 7800x3d at 4K? Note that there were 3 games where the 7800x3d did beat the 5800x3d at 4K, but these seem to be optimized for the 7 series AMD CPUs?
At 4K resolution, you’re almost entirely GPU bound. That’s why the FPS is the same across both CPUs. There are additional benefits over JUST FPS like I said though.
I bought a 7950x, but I would of been totally happy with a 5950x which was my second choice. I can't say it was a lot of fun building a PC while blind. I went with a glass aquarium style case loaded with RGB... Corsair 5000X. In retrospect, I should of bought the 7000x, or better, a 4u 19" rack mount case. Now I want to move it into a 19" rack. My advice is to avoid RGB (it's dmmn pretty though), and put more of that money into performance like your GPU. I could of probably went from a 3070 to 3090. Totally happy with the 3070 though.
I'm thinking about buying a prebuilt, and I can choose between a ryzen 5 5600x and a ryzen 7 5700g costing 30€ more, paired with a RX 6750 TX, wich one would you recommend?
The R7 5800X3D, which I bought for about $325, performs exceptionally well, especially in games. For this processor and others like it, I recommend a good tower cooler or a 360mm liquid cooler. My motherboard is the ASRock B550M-HDV and it handles this processor very well.
i’m currently running 3900x and considering going to a 5800x3d , so wise choice tell i upgrade to the new generation 7000 series sometime next year ? thx
Hey i have a 3060ti and a Asus prime b450 m-k and a ryzen 5 3600xt do you Think i can upgrade to a 5800x3d or Should i for a ryzen 7 5700x or somthing like that. And do i need to upgrade my motherboard
I was considering to jump from AM4 to AM5 this year. But after all the issues the new platform has, is worth to pay 570+$ for update ? I don't think so. Would be worth , If : 1: The temps was logical on 7000 series and not having wattage sparks increasing in load 90C+! That is stupid, 90C for a CPU is a lot. Normally reduce the life at 1/3 . 2: DDR5 serious issues. Not only the EXPO mode ' murdered' many 3D from this socket , but MSI and ASUS still can't fix the long booting times. 1+ minute for BIOS 'map' the RAM? That is bad for new generation. Not to mention the stability issues the majority of users has. 3: Prices. To get lets say a 'good' B650 motherboard you need at least 240+$ .+ 260+% for CPU , + 70-80 for DDR5. For 5-7 more fps on 1440P? Not worth it. So for me I found a better solution. New B550 motherboard to take advantage on the PCI 4.0 (because the X370 I have has 3.0), taking a 5700X CPU, keeping my 6750XT I have and my RAM , and I have a good ring for the rest 4 years at least.
What problems? I just built an AM5, 7600 on a B650 (Gigabyte Gaming X AX) using Gskill trident 6000 cl 30 xmp ram ( not the Neo expo) No issues works a charm , yes the first boot took a while to train memory but thats it it fires up as quick as my old AM4 system IT cost me around $100 more than going with a 5800x3d on a B450 (pcie3.0) no 2.5gbit lan no USB-c, No wifi 6e, and 1 less M2 slot, also on my B450 the second M2 was restricted to x2 not x4. Needless to say my old AM4 gear was repurposed to a 2nd system and runs solid as a rock. As far as AM5 boards even an entry B650 ($100-150) is fine and even though barebones compared to the dearer ones will easily run upto a 7950x and still have better features than a B550
Thanks for this video. I was under the impression that the 5800X3D beat every non-3D CPU on AM5 but I was surprised to see the 7600X beat it a lot of the time. My plan is to build an AM5 PC with the R5 7600 and then later upgrade to the best gaming CPU available for the AM5 socket.
Awesome! So glad I could help out with your next build. You’re the whole reason I keep making videos. Thanks so much! ❤️
Something seems off with that R23 benchmark. My new 5700x at stock gets 13500+ and now gets 15000+ with a minor tweak, while he has the 58x3d getting only 11.4k?
Edit: From looking around, seems like it could be a windows power plan issue? It should hit 14000+ at stock with reasonable cooling.
Like I said. Nothing scientific. Didn’t do anything different than anyone else that builds their PC would do. Could be the increased clock speed on the 5700x VS the 5800X3D. Same cores and threads right?
@@DannysTechChannel LTT gets 14.8k stock on their 58x3d. th-cam.com/video/O0gbfvJDsv4/w-d-xo.html
Not sure whats going on but someone did have issues with setting Ryzen power settings, switching to a windows balanced setting got them to 14.5k+.(from 11k)
@@TipToeDonkey the X3D CPUs are generally worse at CPU workloads like R23 than the regular X ones because the X CPUs can boost higher without the sensitive cache on top of them. Although a power plan could've contributed to that. I use Ultimate Performance which is only available on Windows 10 Pro for Workstation and Enterprise LTSC.
Best choice is going for what your wallet can afford.
I understand games are advancing, but in the end i don't feel its enough to have to upgrade yearly or even three years.. I made my 2600k last from 2011 till 2017 and i wasn't unhappy. ive gone through many gpus but i have two kids and a misses i have pcs built for, i think the longest running gpu i own is now my vega 56 which my misses has. anyway im on a watercooled 6900xt and a 5800x3d and outside of a gpu upgrade for my kids and misses i dont feel i should need an upgrade for a few years. the pc i own now was the first time i went all out and i don't plan on doing that yearly lol
I agree. Yearly upgrades are quite unnecessary. The thing that’s making it look like upgrades need to happen more frequently is games are poorly optimized and higher-end systems are less affected by that. Great setup BTW. If you have time, swing by the Discord and share the build! discord.gg/RHpYJKQY4e
Realistically the upgrade is only worth it if you play very high fps 1080p.
Or if you have a $800+ GPU. Most people don’t need this upgrade.
7800x3d it's a beast, but I'll probably keep my 5800x3d paired with 4080 for another year, at 3440x1440 the difference might be negligible. Thanks for the benchmarks!
Hi Danny! Great video as this is exactly what I have been researching on!
Would you consider doing a video on the thermal comparisons for these cpus?
I took your recomendations, for AM4 budget upgrade, the 5700x its the Best. I love that CPU, also the extra cash was used on a better GPU (the Rx 6700XT). Thks Danny 😊
What a great build! I feel like that CPU and GPU combos is one of the BEST choices this year.
A friend of mine has a R5 1600X and his motherboard supports the 5800X3D but he refuses to upgrade and would rather build a new PC with a Ryzen 8000 CPU, but he also said he might wait for AM6, and when AM6 is out I'm sure he will say he's going to wait for the second CPU generation on that socket.😂
Most gamers are happy with what they have. If his PC is playing all his games fine, there’s no reason to upgrade. Waiting till the next generation, “hoping” for a huge leap in performance seems to be a common thing lately too.
I went from 3800x to a 7800x3d and i gained about 50% higher FPS across the board in all games. im happy as fuck that AM5 is new and ill be able to upgrade to a 8000/9000 or a 10000 series later down the years lol
@@heskoo2k yes the upgrade path really is brilliant, I'm too much of a cheapskate and tell myself I won't be gaming that much to make a purchase worth it, you enjoy your 7800X3D though
He's probably also running a gtx1660 I imagine? If the gpu was ever upgraded it's suffering. It's fine of he's got a system just as outdated as the processor. I wouldn't go below a 3600. That's bare minimum to be ok
@@WCGwkf he has a 1070 Ti so it's more powerful than a 1660 Ti but not much
Why does the 5800x3d get the same FPS as the 7800x3d at 4K? Note that there were 3 games where the 7800x3d did beat the 5800x3d at 4K, but these seem to be optimized for the 7 series AMD CPUs?
At 4K resolution, you’re almost entirely GPU bound. That’s why the FPS is the same across both CPUs. There are additional benefits over JUST FPS like I said though.
I bought a 7950x, but I would of been totally happy with a 5950x which was my second choice.
I can't say it was a lot of fun building a PC while blind. I went with a glass aquarium style case loaded with RGB... Corsair 5000X.
In retrospect, I should of bought the 7000x, or better, a 4u 19" rack mount case. Now I want to move it into a 19" rack.
My advice is to avoid RGB (it's dmmn pretty though), and put more of that money into performance like your GPU. I could of probably went from a 3070 to 3090. Totally happy with the 3070 though.
Live and learn. Great achievement to plan, build, reflect and ways to improve for next time.
I'm thinking about buying a prebuilt, and I can choose between a ryzen 5 5600x and a ryzen 7 5700g costing 30€ more, paired with a RX 6750 TX, wich one would you recommend?
The 5600x.
@@DannysTechChannel yeah I just watched your video on you comparing them lmao, ty
Always glad to help! Thanks for watching
The R7 5800X3D, which I bought for about $325, performs exceptionally well, especially in games. For this processor and others like it, I recommend a good tower cooler or a 360mm liquid cooler. My motherboard is the ASRock B550M-HDV and it handles this processor very well.
i’m currently running 3900x and considering going to a 5800x3d , so wise choice tell i upgrade to the new generation 7000 series sometime next year ? thx
Next year, it’ll be 9000 series. I’d either upgrade to the 5800X3D and just enjoy for a few years or wait for next gen
@@DannysTechChannel yes 🙌
Hey i have a 3060ti and a Asus prime b450 m-k and a ryzen 5 3600xt do you Think i can upgrade to a 5800x3d or Should i for a ryzen 7 5700x or somthing like that. And do i need to upgrade my motherboard
I would just go for the 5700x. It’s a great CPU and you could save a little money.
@@DannysTechChannel thanx what about the ryzen 5 5600x or the ryzen 7 5800x are one of those a better option.
Not with today’s prices. The extra cores and threads will do wonders for your experience
@@DannysTechChannelthx so Much bro have been so lost on what to do. Can the Stock Cooler do the job?
I wouldn’t recommend it. But there are plenty of decent coolers on Amazon for under $50
I was considering to jump from AM4 to AM5 this year. But after all the issues the new platform has, is worth to pay 570+$ for update ? I don't think so. Would be worth , If :
1: The temps was logical on 7000 series and not having wattage sparks increasing in load 90C+! That is stupid, 90C for a CPU is a lot. Normally reduce the life at 1/3 .
2: DDR5 serious issues. Not only the EXPO mode ' murdered' many 3D from this socket , but MSI and ASUS still can't fix the long booting times. 1+ minute for BIOS 'map' the RAM? That is bad for new generation. Not to mention the stability issues the majority of users has.
3: Prices. To get lets say a 'good' B650 motherboard you need at least 240+$ .+ 260+% for CPU , + 70-80 for DDR5. For 5-7 more fps on 1440P? Not worth it.
So for me I found a better solution. New B550 motherboard to take advantage on the PCI 4.0 (because the X370 I have has 3.0), taking a 5700X CPU, keeping my 6750XT I have and my RAM , and I have a good ring for the rest 4 years at least.
What problems? I just built an AM5, 7600 on a B650 (Gigabyte Gaming X AX) using Gskill trident 6000 cl 30 xmp ram ( not the Neo expo) No issues works a charm , yes the first boot took a while to train memory but thats it it fires up as quick as my old AM4 system IT cost me around $100 more than going with a 5800x3d on a B450 (pcie3.0) no 2.5gbit lan no USB-c, No wifi 6e, and 1 less M2 slot, also on my B450 the second M2 was restricted to x2 not x4. Needless to say my old AM4 gear was repurposed to a 2nd system and runs solid as a rock. As far as AM5 boards even an entry B650 ($100-150) is fine and even though barebones compared to the dearer ones will easily run upto a 7950x and still have better features than a B550
You should exact test but with 3090ti
The 4080 is faster.
x86 is obsoleteand and there milking us with it for years. ARM is the future
But I wanna play NOW... I'll deal with the future when its here