Nice overview. Interestingly ASRock are probably one of the most consumer friendly itx options outside of the US. This is due to them shipping through their registered overseas outlets which keeps the warranty and RMA options intact. MSI being the other. When I asked Gigabyte directly if they would honour their warranty for an imported itx mobo, shipped by either Amazon or NewEgg, I was given the short answer "no". Just brilliant! Something every potential buyer should keep in mind.
2:23 I love ITX boards for memory OC, and i love AMD APUs for memory OC With 2 different 5700G, a $100 kit of samsung B dye, and 2 different ITX boards(one a cheap phantom gaming, the other a ~$250 Asus board) i was able to get at least 4933C17-17-17-28 while maintaining 1:1:1 timing ratios, i didnt even need to overvolt the CPU/SOC(unless the board was doing it automatically and unprompted) With a little bit of voltage offset, one of the 5700Gs was able to get to 5000C16-16-16-28 though it wasnt exactly stable, the other one not only wouldnt post, but on one of the boards i needed to swap the CPU with a 3400G to reset the BIOS before i could try again
Oh and if anyone was wondering, the iGPU stopped working with RAM above 4600, for some reason it didnt seem to like the IMC running faster than the iGPU core frequency, and it just wouldnt run faster than 2300Mhz without adding more voltage, and even then it was probably unstable, i wasnt interested in benchmarking the iGPU though i did notice it performed about the same in .... GTAV? as the lower end GTX 1050 that probably should have been called a 1040.
Dude, Wendell, I haven't seen you in a video since TS was a thing. You look great! Happy to see you still doing your thing. I hope things are going well, I learned so much from you back in the day. Subed
KNow what i'd love on ITX boards? A bunch of M.2 on the back of the board, but where to put it that wont risk contacting the case, being too close to standoffs, or being too close to the socket so as to cause issues with 3rd party socket backplates. And then where do you route all the traces that would normally be running through where you're placing the M.2 My best guess would be to have an M.2 normally placed on the front of the board, and then in the exact center of the board on the back place an M.2 that mirrors the slot on the front, then another one that runs in line with the RAM though that might be too close to the chipset
You mentioned that the AIO was built in, are you using the NR200 or the NR200 MAX? I think if you have the MAX version the back panel can come off to allow longer GPUs in.
Hey thanks a lot for reviewing this board. ITX am5 motherboards are limited and it seem all of them have their own set of issues. I found it helpful to take a better decision before buying.
@@GG-ji4yx I initially went with MSI, but they have a know problem where the back button of their reset cmos hits the box and drains the cmos battery. So lots of thosr boards come dead on arrival. Had to return it and check again what board to pick. Ended up going with Asrock, havent finished my build, but so far I like it better than MSI. If I had to come with a list of prio for ITX AM5 it would look like this: 1. Aorus board. 2. Asus 3. Asrock 4. MSI In EU Aorus and Asus where not available it the most part, so ended up going with Asrock.
As a long time ITX pc builder, I’m saddened to see high priced high end chipsets such as Z790 / X670 etc ITX mobos with 4/5/6 USB ports total ….. the chipset allows for way more and there space on the rear I/O. So with such mobo prices, manufacturers need to stop cheaping out on USB ports.
I still don’t get why there is no am5 itx board with 10gbE. The option of building a compact workstation just gets thrown out of the window these days…
For me, not only the flashback was missing, but the BIOS could not been flashed... never finished, black screened... luckily the old bios was still there and board wasn't bricked... But it went right back to seller. And for me, the board took 36seconds to boot. The behavior you show, without the windows splash screen, that's how long wake up from sleep took. Are you sure you're turnong on and not just waking? where is the windows splash?
There are literally only 5 AM5 ITX boards and none has it all (for me at least!) - 2x ASUS, B650 and X670 with unpredictable voltage behaviour and possibly CPU damaging - 1x MSI Edge with no PCI-E gen5 and a disaster waiting to happen after their keys etc. have been hacked, also lot of complains on low quality and noisy fan. - 1x Asrock has no DP out and think also no DP on USB C. NO BIOS FLASHBACK. - 1x Gigabyte B650I Ultra not available in the EU
@Pucio Henzap unless you have an X3D chip I would go with Asrock. Given that Aorus is not available in the EU. I have a Ryzen 9 7900 and hoping wont encounter any issues with my Asrock board. MSI also has CMOS battery issues where all batteries come dead.
Ugh... I have to worry about cooling my storage now too? I've got one open PCIe Gen5 slot but I'm going to wait until I can get a decent speed without heat issues, even if I end up running it below it's max.
What is the absolute fastest DDR5 RAM I should run with an AMD 7950X3D CPU? If cost is no limit and i wanted the fastest possible? And will this RAM speed increase with software updates, or is this a hard cap for that CPU, which would need replacing with a new future version to use faster RAM?
The Linux kernel does not (yet?) have proper EDAC support for AM5 Ryzen. If you look at drivers/edac/amd64_edac.c you can see that there is no handling of F19h_M60h CPUs (the family and model for desktop AM5 Ryzen 7000). I am not sure if AMD intentionally doesn't support this or they just haven't bothered to update the driver.
Everything about this board is perfect. Except of course it doesn't have BIOS flashback. NEXT!!!!!!!!!!! No money for you ASRock! Hope the €0.13 you saved was worth it
The NR200p is the best ITX case for CPU cooling and the NR200 is the best case for GPU cooling. They should have included a solution to mount the GPU horizontally in the P variant and it would have been the best case for GPU and CPU.
For the first time ever my last computer build the length of the card mattered and my case could not fit the longer 6700xt s So I went with a challenger D and it has a good inch and a half of space still left over but the Red Devil would just barely be too long. One day I might need me a new chassis but this Lancool I got otherwise does everything I need and is so nice even as it ages.
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What I like about listening to Wendell, it is humbling.
We're watching a master at work for sure
Aesthetics wise nicer on the ears than LTT with bundles of industry knowledge and wisdom to boot
Always good to see a motherboard you can turn on XMP and update the bios without voiding warranty:)
Nice overview. Interestingly ASRock are probably one of the most consumer friendly itx options outside of the US. This is due to them shipping through their registered overseas outlets which keeps the warranty and RMA options intact. MSI being the other. When I asked Gigabyte directly if they would honour their warranty for an imported itx mobo, shipped by either Amazon or NewEgg, I was given the short answer "no". Just brilliant! Something every potential buyer should keep in mind.
2:23 I love ITX boards for memory OC, and i love AMD APUs for memory OC
With 2 different 5700G, a $100 kit of samsung B dye, and 2 different ITX boards(one a cheap phantom gaming, the other a ~$250 Asus board) i was able to get at least 4933C17-17-17-28 while maintaining 1:1:1 timing ratios, i didnt even need to overvolt the CPU/SOC(unless the board was doing it automatically and unprompted) With a little bit of voltage offset, one of the 5700Gs was able to get to 5000C16-16-16-28 though it wasnt exactly stable, the other one not only wouldnt post, but on one of the boards i needed to swap the CPU with a 3400G to reset the BIOS before i could try again
Oh and if anyone was wondering, the iGPU stopped working with RAM above 4600, for some reason it didnt seem to like the IMC running faster than the iGPU core frequency, and it just wouldnt run faster than 2300Mhz without adding more voltage, and even then it was probably unstable, i wasnt interested in benchmarking the iGPU though i did notice it performed about the same in .... GTAV? as the lower end GTX 1050 that probably should have been called a 1040.
5700G is great
I have a 7900xtx Red Devil and it fits in that case no problem it is a super tight fit but you don't have to do anything special to get it to fit
Dude, Wendell, I haven't seen you in a video since TS was a thing.
You look great! Happy to see you still doing your thing. I hope things are going well, I learned so much from you back in the day.
Subed
So pissed that TB3/4/USB4 wasn't carried over to the AM5 PG ITX...
KNow what i'd love on ITX boards?
A bunch of M.2 on the back of the board, but where to put it that wont risk contacting the case, being too close to standoffs, or being too close to the socket so as to cause issues with 3rd party socket backplates.
And then where do you route all the traces that would normally be running through where you're placing the M.2
My best guess would be to have an M.2 normally placed on the front of the board, and then in the exact center of the board on the back place an M.2 that mirrors the slot on the front, then another one that runs in line with the RAM though that might be too close to the chipset
I like what you did with the build, and I like that you rock with ASRock, me too.
ASRock is kicking ass everywhere, all the time.
You mentioned that the AIO was built in, are you using the NR200 or the NR200 MAX? I think if you have the MAX version the back panel can come off to allow longer GPUs in.
Hey thanks a lot for reviewing this board. ITX am5 motherboards are limited and it seem all of them have their own set of issues. I found it helpful to take a better decision before buying.
which one did you go for?
@@GG-ji4yx I initially went with MSI, but they have a know problem where the back button of their reset cmos hits the box and drains the cmos battery. So lots of thosr boards come dead on arrival. Had to return it and check again what board to pick. Ended up going with Asrock, havent finished my build, but so far I like it better than MSI.
If I had to come with a list of prio for ITX AM5 it would look like this:
1. Aorus board.
2. Asus
3. Asrock
4. MSI
In EU Aorus and Asus where not available it the most part, so ended up going with Asrock.
That NR200 is a sweet case, top of the list for my next build if something better doesnt come out by then.
The A4-H2O is a nice step up in quality.
Ahh I thought Wendell would take a liking to the TB4 ASRock itx. Still excited for the video
Do you take these builds apart after the video or is it for someone?
What do you think is better? the ASRock B650E PG-ITX WIFI or ASRock B650E STEEL LEGEND WIFI
Thanks
The NR200 that has the Rad and PSU is the NR200 Max, not the basic "P". Variant.
Will we have our warranties voided for running Xmp from this company?
believe that is unique to Asus
As a long time ITX pc builder, I’m saddened to see high priced high end chipsets such as Z790 / X670 etc ITX mobos with 4/5/6 USB ports total ….. the chipset allows for way more and there space on the rear I/O. So with such mobo prices, manufacturers need to stop cheaping out on USB ports.
That POST timer >
I still don’t get why there is no am5 itx board with 10gbE. The option of building a compact workstation just gets thrown out of the window these days…
Great build, and a neat little AM5 ITX. 👍
I didn't understand the part about the EEC. Can you please make a stand-alone video on ECC with modern desktop machines?
For me, not only the flashback was missing, but the BIOS could not been flashed... never finished, black screened... luckily the old bios was still there and board wasn't bricked... But it went right back to seller. And for me, the board took 36seconds to boot. The behavior you show, without the windows splash screen, that's how long wake up from sleep took. Are you sure you're turnong on and not just waking? where is the windows splash?
There are literally only 5 AM5 ITX boards and none has it all (for me at least!)
- 2x ASUS, B650 and X670 with unpredictable voltage behaviour and possibly CPU damaging
- 1x MSI Edge with no PCI-E gen5 and a disaster waiting to happen after their keys etc. have been hacked, also lot of complains on low quality and noisy fan.
- 1x Asrock has no DP out and think also no DP on USB C. NO BIOS FLASHBACK.
- 1x Gigabyte B650I Ultra not available in the EU
Yep, I'm returning the Asrock, you need another non-X3D CPU to update the BIOS or it won't POST with an X3D. Bizarre.
@Pucio Henzap unless you have an X3D chip I would go with Asrock. Given that Aorus is not available in the EU. I have a Ryzen 9 7900 and hoping wont encounter any issues with my Asrock board.
MSI also has CMOS battery issues where all batteries come dead.
Wendel, Have you asked Asrock for their new release A620i $140 board? 7800X3D and this board seem a low cost Gaming setup... thanks.
Ugh... I have to worry about cooling my storage now too? I've got one open PCIe Gen5 slot but I'm going to wait until I can get a decent speed without heat issues, even if I end up running it below it's max.
What is the absolute fastest DDR5 RAM I should run with an AMD 7950X3D CPU? If cost is no limit and i wanted the fastest possible? And will this RAM speed increase with software updates, or is this a hard cap for that CPU, which would need replacing with a new future version to use faster RAM?
Can you make a video about the ECC ram testing hardware?
Maybe on the Linux channel
I would like to know why they omit USB 4.0 when the chipset we paid for supports it...
Probably not enough space for the traces in such a small board :(
Did you turn on MCR for that fast boot ?😮
The Linux kernel does not (yet?) have proper EDAC support for AM5 Ryzen. If you look at drivers/edac/amd64_edac.c you can see that there is no handling of F19h_M60h CPUs (the family and model for desktop AM5 Ryzen 7000). I am not sure if AMD intentionally doesn't support this or they just haven't bothered to update the driver.
11:38 - 11:57...your timer runs at half the speed, so to be fair let us double these 8 50 and it is 17 - 40, meaning 17,666 seconds.
Everything about this board is perfect. Except of course it doesn't have BIOS flashback. NEXT!!!!!!!!!!! No money for you ASRock! Hope the €0.13 you saved was worth it
is it ok if I use this with the new 8000 series APUs?
I'm still waiting on a620 ITX!!! ASROCK PLZ
I thought the B650 required manufacturers included bios flash back on their boards?
Yeah, I wish this had the bios flashback feature.
you bringing Gifts! is it Z who shall NOT Be Named? :-) All ports open Captain! 🙂
Woot!
The NR200p is the best ITX case for CPU cooling and the NR200 is the best case for GPU cooling. They should have included a solution to mount the GPU horizontally in the P variant and it would have been the best case for GPU and CPU.
I have this motherboard. My RTX 4080 runs at PCIe 4.0 x8, not x16 like it should. Anyone seeing this issue?
But does it make boom on x3d? :)
Losing two sata ports for two rgb headers is a bad trade imo
I hope they put this MB into a Desk Meet.
👍
That small fan is so noisy and stupid...
...sata ports going the way of the dodo
Asrock, will it fry the 7800x3d?😂 .... Who would tell was going to be alive to see an asus board be worst than this
WENDELL SAYS TRANS RIGHTZ
But only if they're willing to shag
For the first time ever my last computer build the length of the card mattered and my case could not fit the longer 6700xt s So I went with a challenger D and it has a good inch and a half of space still left over but the Red Devil would just barely be too long. One day I might need me a new chassis but this Lancool I got otherwise does everything I need and is so nice even as it ages.
Clear cmos should be standard button on the back for all itx!! Such a stupid position for clear cmos