Finally a sensible groovebox that dials down the quirkiness and dials up the usefulness without any stupid limitations (like no battery, no mic, limited polyphony, no screen, weird controls, etc.).
@@psydelik1 any hardware is going to make compromises in order to stay affordable. At this price point it competes with the Circuit, which also has four tracks but much less flexibility for composition.
@@sonicstate Indeed! That's what I meant with no weird limits on polyphony. Something that annoys me still about the Circuit Tracks, otherwise an almost perfect groovebox. Also, weird how Novation has the same hardware/software (Circuit and Groovebox vs Move and Note) but completely ignored integrating the two).
I’m way more excited for this than I thought I would be. It’s going to be really fun to take a piece of Ableton out into places that inspire and see what materializes ❤
I actually really like it. It seems incredibly intuitive, and looks fun to use. Seems like the perfect mix of features to be creative without being too much, and a great place to just noodle with some sounds before moving them over to the DAW.
I got mine yesterday. It’s great fun. Very intuitive and more flexible than the specs would have you believe. The drum sampler can be used to make entire tracks on it’s own if you use the 16notes layout per sample. A lot of fun. It feels like a cross between an MPC500 and a circuit with wifi and automation. Very easy to upload samples to it from splice (for example) using your phone.
I have nothing to say but respect. When I heard 4 tracks I was put off but when I realised it could be 4 x 8 voices drumracks with 4 minutes per pad I was sold... TAKE MY MONEY!
@@squarelanguage you can warp samples in the sampler in Ableton so guess they should somehow be syncable too. And with the loop option could be a sick 4 x 16 live launch controller
It is a brilliant concept. The limitations will serve to focus on new music creation. It’s not made for those that want all possible features they may imagine. Love it
And I mean, it’s $450 so, isn’t this pretty solid for the price? Like really solid? Keep in mind ableton note is pretty brilliant actually and this is companion hardware. Honestly this would be great for a beginner or an experienced person
@@danpreston564 True, but yet a bit strange to think that adding icons to buttons that have only one function is nice UI design. But finding it acceptable that you need touch every encoder for the first 2 months to find out what function is behind it… just my 2 cents :)
@@-ukiyo I like the way they light up to show what you can be using at that moment. Lit up buttons are much easier to see, especially at my age with my eyesight.
I miss the times of guys like Bret Smorenburg, Tommy DeMarco...Guys who really knew the product they were demonstrating and had no problem going out of script.
Yep, already ordered it. Lots of crybabies mad it won't wash their dishes for them. Anyone seriously about completing songs will probably enjoy this. Anyone who just hordes gear and blames lack of features on why they never make anything won't.
Really want to know about actual synthesis on this thing. Can you load Drift and Wavetable patches made on your computer? Can you access all the synth parameters or not? Can you save your own patches? Will future additions to Move (like additional instruments) cost more money? And most importantly--will my favorite device--shifter--will that effect get added?
Great video and overview. Really like what Ableton has come up with here, and makes a lot of sense to me. Kudos to Johannes and Brian for the walkthrough as well, these are an art form and often nerve-wracking! Cheers Nick & team!
Thanks for this Nick and team, look forward to hearing the thoughts on the live show tomorrow. It looks like a great device for producers on the move, who like to kick off ideas anywhere. Re-sampling the output into a pad, in order to 'bounce' track(s), looks helpful to free up the four track constraint.
I need to say it: Move is an iPad App! I use longtime Ableton Note and everything what we see can be done on an iPad in an App. Of course, plenty of people love to have something in their hands, but it's sad that Ableton not just do that in an iPad App and everything can save $449. So maybe in the future they think about that.
The ergonomics of this look fabulous, I really like that there are pads and step sequence buttons, and not “you must flip between the one and the other” (Roland MC-101) “there are only 7 melodic buttons” (Seqtrak) “you must cursor/ increment buttons for both time and pitch” (Polyend Tracker MIni).
I got no sense of the sequencer; can it do different lengths? speed? chance? random velocity? really not vibing with the whole preset machine thing; it's a bit weird to not have full access to at least one synth. hopefully you can create custom presets with your favorite sounds and synth presets. what about the arpegiator? I'm super interested in the controller mode but we got 30 seconds on it and that's all, why does nobody want to show it more in depth? Mostly I want to know if you can scroll through parameter banks easily (and even if you can see the bank names on top of the name of each parameter) and how the sequencer work. If anyone reads this at ableton I'd really like just a remote controller in this form factor; with maybe the screen of the push; but weirdly nobody seem to want to make such a device (novation?)
I use my Push 3 on the go all the time so it would be nice to have something in a smaller factor. The Push 3 fits in my backpack but it's pretty weighty in standalone guise!
I definitely want one. The immediacy of Tracks plus an OLED screen. With the added bonus of not being stuck with exporting audio into a DAW. AND it can serve as a controller.
"The size and the ability to use it as a controller or synth in standalone mode is just perfect for me. Since I travel a lot, it was always difficult with the Push 3 Standalone - it was simply too big and too heavy."
Its great but a little weird to me they didnt use the same pads as the push3! Only having pressure vs full "3D" of push3 feels like a real missed opportunity. Still looks cool though!
I already have a powerful sketch pad with me at all times: My phone. I barely ever use it to make music on the bus though, so I highly doubt that Move would ever leave my room.
Such instrument doesn’t want to be powerful. It only wants to be a sketchbook keeping you in the zone, whereby the limitations aid you in focusing on your musical creativity instead of getting diverted into technical abilities. If however one wants to browse the internet and talk to friends at the same time, phones and iPads are ideal. For me personally when I want to create new music, I want to be as far away as possible from these multifunctional distractions.
I just turn of WiFi/5g on my iPad if I’m using it for sound design or production. Much more capable and portable then move. Wasted opportunity in my opinion especially for its asking price
I was worried about the 4 tracks and hoping for 8 but after this demonstration it seems okay and gona take some getting used to making tracks like back in the 90"s. Just drums, bass , vocals, and maybe keys and some post production later on the computer. Am sold.
@@billB101 I think it was Johannes who said that they'd optimised the Move so you could run four instances of drift / wavetable with up to 8 voices each without hitting the resource limits. If they doubled the track count that would almost certainly exceed the resources and end up with dropped voices or stuttering. I think they're dead set on the user experience being as solid as possible, so my money says that the Move will remain a four track device. I personally think that for a sketchpad type device, 4 tracks is fine, but you can always resample if you need more.
Decent sample memory/time, intuitive looking interface. Now curious about real-time MIDI recording from an external keyboard and polyphony per part (not sure if it was mentioned in the video - but not specified on the website currently). Possibly a replacement for the SH4D that I already moved on.
@@mklschwrtz2 the biggest comparison to me with the ko2 is that this one has resampling, and exports full projects, not just audio into Ableton. I would love to see how well the two units sync and play together.
@@okaytony1540 Yeah that would be interesting aswell! We're starting to get some nice grooveboxes in this segment and it would be cool to see how well they get along!
I'm really enjoying my SEQTRAK, I can see a load of similarities both in terms of potential and limitations. I think if you're already into Ableton, then this is a great little tool. Part of the creative potential of this is its limitations, what can you do with 4 tracks rather than an unlimited number, for instance.
@@PalaceofVision Yeah the Seqtrak is on top of my list, I think. A Seqtrak and a nice 25 key MIDI keyboard or such should be perfect for me. Do you know if it's possible to connect something like a Launchpad Mini or such to the Seqtrak instead of a keyboard? I'm much more used to play chords and whatnot with pads. Not exactly a piano player, lol.
very cool workflow, only thing is, from what I got you can't import your own existing drumracks or even your own Drift sounds to Move, hope they address that
you can import drum racks they said in a video. i think they're working on importing drift presets. i hope they keep adding the ability to use more devices too
Ha! Well I’ll be… a year ago I commented on your Push standalone vid that I’d prefer a 4x8 pad version and this is…. Almost it - need to know if it’s possible to chop up a break. Happy to do it by ear with the knobs, less screen can make it more intuitive once you get to know it. Would also want probability/midi effects. Only two audio effects per track is a bit sad though.
There is a raspberry 4 inside… so I smell a bright future for this device… big potential for expansion…. You could even imagine multiple audio applications on this device 🎉
I already have a Circuit Rhythm, Tracker MK1 and a Syntakt... What will this do that those don't already do? I still low-key want an SH-4d... At least that ones got more knobs/sliders.
I find it much more interesting than I thought I would. 4 tracks is 😞 but resampling and (hopefully, eventually) importing your own drum racks is 🙂. Would need a chopping and probability stuff demo - actually just send Ned Rush one and I'll decide after he breaks the universe with it! At €110 per track, please can we have M4L device support? Thanks Nick!
No, there’s like 8 parameters they allow you to edit, but you can’t change, or even see like, what waveforms or how many oscillators or whatever, are being used.
@@callum6224 Thanks. That's a pitty. But i guess I could do sound design in Live and then transfer as user presets to the move. Technically, all sound design parameters should be in the box, it just doesn't have a user interface to use them.
I would say it’s an amazing modern version of the novation circuit. I can’t think off the top of my head any other groovebox in this price range with so much polyphony. And 256 steps worth of sequencer!
Yeah I mean, normal complaints about this and that but at this price point I think this is a home run, isn’t it? And a lot more is coming. Note has a hefty feature roadmap. Incredibly well designed app.
As someone who usually writes songs using a piano, but trying to update knowledge with new technology, there is so much terminology which is a challenge to getting started. It is such a shift to understand composition in this mode. Hopefully i can cross that bridge with the Ableton Move and some annoying questions
I get what Ableton has in mind with this, but it looks like a fantastic four track live instrument and midi sequencer as well. Could be very very interesting as a Dawless/Live Set tool. I wonder how it handles standard midi in and out...
It is quite interesting, but at 450€ having only 4 tracks is a let-down IMO, also it could have some audio tracks for simple recording a vocal, an acoustic guitar or something like it. Personally, I would love to be able to record an electric guitar/bass on it. Bluetooth or SD cards could be useful too. I wonder if they plan to update it with more instruments and fx. It don't seems to share the upgradability/repairability they professed for Push 3?
@@milk_bath I don't want to put samples of a synth in a drum rack. Normally I want to use at least 8 synths for my projects with full control of said synths.
I have a Lunchkey 37, Launchpad Pro, when I look at those devices and the limitations they have for the price they cost compared to the ease of use of Ableton on a laptop it blows my mind that people want to spend time on those.
Looks intriguing but I already have a Push 3 and use Note when out and they integrate well enough. Not sure if bringing hardware to the Note workflow (and do it on an Ipad Mini) would work for me but I'll keep an eye on this if they add Push integration in some useful or fun way. Maybe by then it'll be down to $400...
Wow, it looks like an end-game device. Just add your favourite keyboard for the occasion (mini midi, 37 full keys or weighted), headphones and a drink.
I like it. The workflow seems much more up my alley. One of the things I really don't like about the Push3 is the menu heavy workflow, it just seems to kill all the momentum for me so I've been making sketches on my MC101 and the exporting it to Ableton later. The price is about the same as the MC101 but so far the workflow seems much nicer.
I wondered about the recent OP-1 Hype, now we know why. Ableton was PUSHing at the mountain, now they have well and truly MOVED it. The OP-1 landscape has suddenly SHIFTED.
It's coming down the road, these are all the things they are adding to Note/Move (guessing in order of release) This is from one of the Note OS Devs: Sequencing Notes Audio Tracks AUv3 Chord Tools More FX Time Signatures Slicing Separately we're tracking pain points: Sample Editing Bluetooth Audio Note Grid/Sequencing Sample Import Capture
Does this thing have the same real time stretch/ warp capabilities? If so I’d get it just to be a looper for my MPC that sucks at warping. That’s my only use for it well and as a unique midi keyboard for my MPC
Two important simple things for me missing on Move: Sidechain and note probability. Circuit Tracks has this and for me is very important, specially the note probability.
I’m afraid to say it’s yet another thing that people are gonna buy and don’t use after a week. It doesn’t seem to fill any particular gap in the market, at least not good enough to justify 449$
These are the best kind of videos to showcase new gear. Ableton really needs to stop with all the cinematic hipster fashion shoots and just get real people talking about the product.
I’d actually like this as a smaller desktop controller for Live. I don’t think you can run this mode over WI-FI though? Still, pretty useful over USB and cool for getting ideas going. Great presentation, cheers
As a circuit user, from what I can see, this looks like a significant upgrade to me, if it works like it promises. The circuit tracks is limited to 32 steps per clip and doesn't have looping controls like this. You're also forced to use two synth tracks and two sample tracks. It's also only $50 more than a Tracks. I think it's pretty compelling.
What's lite about it? This seems mostly more powerful than the circuit to me (circuit may have a little more synth engine customization going on, and has the midi out).
@@piquantement I'm joking a little. it looks actually pretty cool and I'm an avid circuit user and thought move could be a similar workflow but more versatile. I love the super fast workflow of the circuits but I never really loved the sound of the nova synth engine inside. I use them live and built my patches in the stupid editor. Having the ableton synths and maybe an ableton to move workflow would have been super interesting to me. unfortunately I'm afraid that the current Move specs won't do that for me. give me the same thing with ableton to move compatibility (of some limited form ofc) and deeper control over the synths on the unit itself and I'm interested! :)
Does the case have a hard, smooth plastic? Or that almost rubber-like finish that the Push 2 had which would show a million fingerprints and grease after using it?
you could have 3 drum racks, one for drums, one for basses, one for chords, each pad on the drum rack can be played chromatically so no limits there, and then still use the final track for anything you want, maybe a unique sample thats really modulated or something idk
A damn clever interface I would say. This is minimalism done right! Really like the form factor. Internal mic and poly aftertouch are just fantastic! (Edit: just heard about the price, damn yes!)
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It seems the Novation Circuits were a great inspiration for this device.
Finally a sensible groovebox that dials down the quirkiness and dials up the usefulness without any stupid limitations (like no battery, no mic, limited polyphony, no screen, weird controls, etc.).
A rational take on ableton hardware, like finding a unicorn
thanks for unlimited 4 tracks
@@psydelik1 any hardware is going to make compromises in order to stay affordable. At this price point it competes with the Circuit, which also has four tracks but much less flexibility for composition.
Actually each drum track has 12 sub tracks doesn't it?
@@sonicstate Indeed! That's what I meant with no weird limits on polyphony. Something that annoys me still about the Circuit Tracks, otherwise an almost perfect groovebox.
Also, weird how Novation has the same hardware/software (Circuit and Groovebox vs Move and Note) but completely ignored integrating the two).
Can't wait! It will look super sweet sitting next to my Push, on the shelf, covered in dust.
@@fairaintfair1542 lol
Oi!
😂😂😂
wonderful I was thinking the same
Can it do pulse width modulation? Asking for a host
Damn, I knew there was something we forgot to check😉
@@sonicstate ahaha, classic
Drift -> Square Wave -> Shape
@@sonicstate 🤣
That was funny the first 100 times someone posted it 😊
I’m way more excited for this than I thought I would be. It’s going to be really fun to take a piece of Ableton out into places that inspire and see what materializes ❤
Looks really nice.
ayyyyy
I like it better than the push for sure the push just looks way too complicated
We can’t wait to see what you do with it! 🎉
Please, do a video with it. That would be awesome !
@@truecuckoo I'm excited for your deep dive into this (which I really hope is in the pipeline)
I actually really like it. It seems incredibly intuitive, and looks fun to use. Seems like the perfect mix of features to be creative without being too much, and a great place to just noodle with some sounds before moving them over to the DAW.
I got mine yesterday. It’s great fun. Very intuitive and more flexible than the specs would have you believe. The drum sampler can be used to make entire tracks on it’s own if you use the 16notes layout per sample. A lot of fun. It feels like a cross between an MPC500 and a circuit with wifi and automation. Very easy to upload samples to it from splice (for example) using your phone.
the thing after which you will have even more unfinished demos
or more complex sketches which will be easier to finish:)
@@bonwowo I want to be optimistic too, but who are we trying to fool? 😁
The fact this came out the day before I got paid is very suspicious
😂😂😂😂😂
I have nothing to say but respect. When I heard 4 tracks I was put off but when I realised it could be 4 x 8 voices drumracks with 4 minutes per pad I was sold... TAKE MY MONEY!
Yeah seems useful to put recorded stems in the drum tracks, though guessing they don’t time stretch
@@squarelanguage you can warp samples in the sampler in Ableton so guess they should somehow be syncable too. And with the loop option could be a sick 4 x 16 live launch controller
It is a brilliant concept. The limitations will serve to focus on new music creation. It’s not made for those that want all possible features they may imagine. Love it
And I mean, it’s $450 so, isn’t this pretty solid for the price? Like really solid?
Keep in mind ableton note is pretty brilliant actually and this is companion hardware. Honestly this would be great for a beginner or an experienced person
I really like the icons that light up below the step buttons. Really nice bit of UI design.
@@danpreston564 as long as you can remember the function of the 8 knobs … for every device …
@@-ukiyo if you use it enough it will become second nature, like all hardware does.
@@danpreston564 True, but yet a bit strange to think that adding icons to buttons that have only one function is nice UI design. But finding it acceptable that you need touch every encoder for the first 2 months to find out what function is behind it… just my 2 cents :)
@@-ukiyo I like the way they light up to show what you can be using at that moment. Lit up buttons are much easier to see, especially at my age with my eyesight.
@@-ukiyo they'll be displayed on the screen when you touch them (the knobs are touch sensitive apparently)
MPC and FL Studio guy here….this looks awesome.
Nick:Could you do this?
Ableton Guy:Yes I could, but I'm just going to stick to the script of my presentation.
Please stop interrupting me.
😂😂😂
That’s what he does best!
I miss the times of guys like Bret Smorenburg, Tommy DeMarco...Guys who really knew the product they were demonstrating and had no problem going out of script.
At first glance it's ticking all the boxes
😂😂😂
Yeah, all the wrong ones 😂😂😂😂
Yep, already ordered it. Lots of crybabies mad it won't wash their dishes for them. Anyone seriously about completing songs will probably enjoy this. Anyone who just hordes gear and blames lack of features on why they never make anything won't.
@@RobotSnake nice strawman and ad hominem there, cope harder.
It's ticking all the boxes because it doesn't sit properly on the shelf.
So I think Brian summarized the essence of the Move: it's enough to make a sketch
Yup.. another procrastination machine 😅
@@jm6734 Exactly
Yes but one of the best things about it is how easy it is to upload your sketch into live to work with, through the cloud & it appears as a live set.
@@nrosko Wow, the cloud.
@@keg3212 😂
Really want to know about actual synthesis on this thing. Can you load Drift and Wavetable patches made on your computer? Can you access all the synth parameters or not? Can you save your own patches? Will future additions to Move (like additional instruments) cost more money? And most importantly--will my favorite device--shifter--will that effect get added?
You can make patches on your computer and load them. It is the full engine but only the 8 macros are adjustable.
Glad Nick got in on the act
No bullshit😂
Great video and overview. Really like what Ableton has come up with here, and makes a lot of sense to me. Kudos to Johannes and Brian for the walkthrough as well, these are an art form and often nerve-wracking! Cheers Nick & team!
Thanks for this Nick and team, look forward to hearing the thoughts on the live show tomorrow. It looks like a great device for producers on the move, who like to kick off ideas anywhere. Re-sampling the output into a pad, in order to 'bounce' track(s), looks helpful to free up the four track constraint.
I need to say it: Move is an iPad App! I use longtime Ableton Note and everything what we see can be done on an iPad in an App.
Of course, plenty of people love to have something in their hands, but it's sad that Ableton not just do that in an iPad App and everything can save $449.
So maybe in the future they think about that.
So all sounds in Move are available in Note? If so this has sold me Note rather than expensive scratch pad Move!!
Could be good for people who don't have an iPad though! (Like me 😅)
@@DWangaroo new iPad $350 Note app $7
@@montanamaxxamillion Oh damn I thought they were more expensive than that nowadays, nvm then. Does the note app have velocity sensitivity?
Get iPad instead as there is ton of other very useful sound tools/synths/samplers/sequencers
Great job Nick. This is the best video for move for me. Looking really crisp too.
And that ih how you make a product! It has everything I always wanted from such small device and the price is fantastic! Kudos Ableton!
The ergonomics of this look fabulous, I really like that there are pads and step sequence buttons, and not “you must flip between the one and the other” (Roland MC-101) “there are only 7 melodic buttons” (Seqtrak) “you must cursor/ increment buttons for both time and pitch” (Polyend Tracker MIni).
Finally a nice track showcased at the end. Really pumped for it.
I got no sense of the sequencer; can it do different lengths? speed? chance? random velocity? really not vibing with the whole preset machine thing; it's a bit weird to not have full access to at least one synth. hopefully you can create custom presets with your favorite sounds and synth presets. what about the arpegiator?
I'm super interested in the controller mode but we got 30 seconds on it and that's all, why does nobody want to show it more in depth? Mostly I want to know if you can scroll through parameter banks easily (and even if you can see the bank names on top of the name of each parameter) and how the sequencer work. If anyone reads this at ableton I'd really like just a remote controller in this form factor; with maybe the screen of the push; but weirdly nobody seem to want to make such a device (novation?)
wow 🤩 great device for ideas..Love it! Goosebumps at the end. Well played. 🔥🔥🔥
I use my Push 3 on the go all the time so it would be nice to have something in a smaller factor. The Push 3 fits in my backpack but it's pretty weighty in standalone guise!
What I wanted was between the two!
I definitely want one. The immediacy of Tracks plus an OLED screen. With the added bonus of not being stuck with exporting audio into a DAW. AND it can serve as a controller.
Can’t wait for all the TH-camrs to “Review” this one. It’s going to be just like the last thing that came out , best thing since sliced bread.
intriguing product at a reasonable price, congrats to ableton on the launch and thanks to sonicstate for another great video.
Fun video to watch. Thanks for doing this Nick!
Great presentation - understand it much more than I did this morning!
"The size and the ability to use it as a controller or synth in standalone mode is just perfect for me. Since I travel a lot, it was always difficult with the Push 3 Standalone - it was simply too big and too heavy."
"I struggle to hold an item that weighs more than a loaf of bread"
@@mightycyber8492 and expensive don’t forget that
😂
FEATURE REQUEST #1: Setting to disable internal speakers; right now it seems the only way to do so is to plugin a pair of headphones
25:13 Hmmm…no time stretching yet…I will wait till it’s supported
Its great but a little weird to me they didnt use the same pads as the push3!
Only having pressure vs full "3D" of push3 feels like a real missed opportunity.
Still looks cool though!
@@jparty do you want to pay 1000 for it?
With all of that, you'd have no place else to move 2
They need some reason for you to want the Push
Shout out for bro's Earth Wind and Fire shirt
@@dontcallmejon Best thing about the presentation apart from saving me money.
@@jm6734 well after watching cenks demo I think for $450 I think its a better deal that sonicware liven or the ko ii even at $150 more 😂
I already have a powerful sketch pad with me at all times: My phone. I barely ever use it to make music on the bus though, so I highly doubt that Move would ever leave my room.
Very insightful. We are all better for you sharing your opinion and experience.
I agree. For the price you can get the latest Ipad mini with extra money for a controller and/or some apps like Beatmaker, AUM, etc.
Such instrument doesn’t want to be powerful. It only wants to be a sketchbook keeping you in the zone, whereby the limitations aid you in focusing on your musical creativity instead of getting diverted into technical abilities. If however one wants to browse the internet and talk to friends at the same time, phones and iPads are ideal. For me personally when I want to create new music, I want to be as far away as possible from these multifunctional distractions.
@@newignisno matter how many times people say what you said, people still don’t get it
I just turn of WiFi/5g on my iPad if I’m using it for sound design or production. Much more capable and portable then move.
Wasted opportunity in my opinion especially for its asking price
I was worried about the 4 tracks and hoping for 8 but after this demonstration it seems okay and gona take some getting used to making tracks like back in the 90"s. Just drums, bass , vocals, and maybe keys and some post production later on the computer. Am sold.
Sure they could up this to 8 tracks with a software update, 4 tracks really isn't enough.
@@billB101 I think it was Johannes who said that they'd optimised the Move so you could run four instances of drift / wavetable with up to 8 voices each without hitting the resource limits. If they doubled the track count that would almost certainly exceed the resources and end up with dropped voices or stuttering. I think they're dead set on the user experience being as solid as possible, so my money says that the Move will remain a four track device. I personally think that for a sketchpad type device, 4 tracks is fine, but you can always resample if you need more.
@@billB101 Never happen. Instead, let me introduce the Move Along. It's your 8 track, 8x8 grid upsize version of the original Move.
@@matthewtwist4691 Don't give up your day job.
Decent sample memory/time, intuitive looking interface. Now curious about real-time MIDI recording from an external keyboard and polyphony per part (not sure if it was mentioned in the video - but not specified on the website currently). Possibly a replacement for the SH4D that I already moved on.
8 voices per synth they said
@@sonicstate Reasonable.. cool.
I really want a comparison between this, the Yamaha Seqtrak, TE PO-133 K.O II and maybe Roland MC-101. Would be a really interesting video!
@@mklschwrtz2 the biggest comparison to me with the ko2 is that this one has resampling, and exports full projects, not just audio into Ableton.
I would love to see how well the two units sync and play together.
@@okaytony1540 Yeah that would be interesting aswell! We're starting to get some nice grooveboxes in this segment and it would be cool to see how well they get along!
I'm really enjoying my SEQTRAK, I can see a load of similarities both in terms of potential and limitations. I think if you're already into Ableton, then this is a great little tool. Part of the creative potential of this is its limitations, what can you do with 4 tracks rather than an unlimited number, for instance.
@@PalaceofVision Yeah the Seqtrak is on top of my list, I think. A Seqtrak and a nice 25 key MIDI keyboard or such should be perfect for me. Do you know if it's possible to connect something like a Launchpad Mini or such to the Seqtrak instead of a keyboard? I'm much more used to play chords and whatnot with pads. Not exactly a piano player, lol.
or even the more obvious this vs Circuits
very cool workflow, only thing is, from what I got you can't import your own existing drumracks or even your own Drift sounds to Move, hope they address that
lol for real? This would be so stupid, would make it absolutely useless :D
you can import drum racks they said in a video. i think they're working on importing drift presets. i hope they keep adding the ability to use more devices too
Ha! Well I’ll be… a year ago I commented on your Push standalone vid that I’d prefer a 4x8 pad version and this is…. Almost it - need to know if it’s possible to chop up a break. Happy to do it by ear with the knobs, less screen can make it more intuitive once you get to know it. Would also want probability/midi effects. Only two audio effects per track is a bit sad though.
This is gonna spawn so much creation, I love It!!!!!
Wow, i love the strike-through Undo Steps (15:51)
Can it connect to 'Note' app as controller?
Keen! Its growing on me the more i learn
There is a raspberry 4 inside… so I smell a bright future for this device… big potential for expansion…. You could even imagine multiple audio applications on this device 🎉
This will be interesting in a few years after it's through it's adolescence. Until then maybe something for the kids.
I already have a Circuit Rhythm, Tracker MK1 and a Syntakt... What will this do that those don't already do? I still low-key want an SH-4d... At least that ones got more knobs/sliders.
Also the performer from Ableton killed it
I find it much more interesting than I thought I would. 4 tracks is 😞 but resampling and (hopefully, eventually) importing your own drum racks is 🙂. Would need a chopping and probability stuff demo - actually just send Ned Rush one and I'll decide after he breaks the universe with it! At €110 per track, please can we have M4L device support? Thanks Nick!
4 x 16 with drum racks.
that outro was fire.
Can you build new tones from scratch using the built-in synthesizers, i.e. do sound design?
I really want to see the synthesis features as well.
AFAICT, sound design is limited - there are 8 macro controls that are automatically assigned, but the full synths’ parameters seem to be unavailable
No, there’s like 8 parameters they allow you to edit, but you can’t change, or even see like, what waveforms or how many oscillators or whatever, are being used.
@@callum6224 Thanks. That's a pitty. But i guess I could do sound design in Live and then transfer as user presets to the move. Technically, all sound design parameters should be in the box, it just doesn't have a user interface to use them.
I would say it’s an amazing modern version of the novation circuit.
I can’t think off the top of my head any other groovebox in this price range with so much polyphony.
And 256 steps worth of sequencer!
Yeah I mean, normal complaints about this and that but at this price point I think this is a home run, isn’t it?
And a lot more is coming. Note has a hefty feature roadmap. Incredibly well designed app.
As someone who usually writes songs using a piano, but trying to update knowledge with new technology, there is so much terminology which is a challenge to getting started. It is such a shift to understand composition in this mode. Hopefully i can cross that bridge with the Ableton Move and some annoying questions
I get what Ableton has in mind with this, but it looks like a fantastic four track live instrument and midi sequencer as well. Could be very very interesting as a Dawless/Live Set tool. I wonder how it handles standard midi in and out...
It is quite interesting, but at 450€ having only 4 tracks is a let-down IMO, also it could have some audio tracks for simple recording a vocal, an acoustic guitar or something like it. Personally, I would love to be able to record an electric guitar/bass on it.
Bluetooth or SD cards could be useful too.
I wonder if they plan to update it with more instruments and fx.
It don't seems to share the upgradability/repairability they professed for Push 3?
4 tracks that can all be drum rack. 4 x 16 sequencers.
Education is fundamental.
@@milk_bath that wont give me 64 synths...
@@pcfirebeats Why do you need 64 synths? You know you can put samples of synths in a drum rack, yeah?
@@milk_bath I don't want to put samples of a synth in a drum rack.
Normally I want to use at least 8 synths for my projects with full control of said synths.
@@pcfirebeats Why do you need 64 synths?
The novation circuit on steroids, you were really good nick thanks
I don't get the tiny display. Would it hurt them to include a display showing all 8 knobs parameters? I hate this kinda stuff.
Added cost.
@@milk_bath Sure, i know. But were talking something like 20-30$ probably. OLEDs aren't expensive.
Something inside tells me that pairing Ableton Move with the Roland SH-4D would be a proper setup. No idea why...
I have a Lunchkey 37, Launchpad Pro, when I look at those devices and the limitations they have for the price they cost compared to the ease of use of Ableton on a laptop it blows my mind that people want to spend time on those.
. Definitely a good move to simplify the push. (KO2 was an influential device🤩)
Looks intriguing but I already have a Push 3 and use Note when out and they integrate well enough. Not sure if bringing hardware to the Note workflow (and do it on an Ipad Mini) would work for me but I'll keep an eye on this if they add Push integration in some useful or fun way. Maybe by then it'll be down to $400...
Amazing and sonic state is the best!!! Glad I got my Ableton tattoo years ago
it's something beetween the Novation Circuit and the MC-101, it looks interesting
Wow, it looks like an end-game device.
Just add your favourite keyboard for the occasion (mini midi, 37 full keys or weighted), headphones and a drink.
This looks like a lot of fun!
No audio over Bluetooth? And is it possible to switch between controlling live without stopping the audio of the move so we can extend the 4 tracks?
audio over Bluetooth isn't really worth it. This isn't something most musical instruments do. The latency is horrendous.
@justingoers true but on the iPad/ios it is ok, if you'd want to pair both might have worked
Pretty sure it doesn’t have Bluetooth, only WiFi
I like it. The workflow seems much more up my alley. One of the things I really don't like about the Push3 is the menu heavy workflow, it just seems to kill all the momentum for me so I've been making sketches on my MC101 and the exporting it to Ableton later. The price is about the same as the MC101 but so far the workflow seems much nicer.
I wondered about the recent OP-1 Hype, now we know why. Ableton was PUSHing at the mountain, now they have well and truly MOVED it. The OP-1 landscape has suddenly SHIFTED.
I was being skeptical when I first saw it, but the workflow is genius. I may need to write to Santa :)
This looks great and is cheaper than I would have expected for the feature set.
My big question is can it chop samples with simpler in standalone and controller mode?!
not yet it seems like but they said they have a roadmap of updates commin!
Not having simpler and sampler from the start is wild to me
Same question here, and if it can how easy is it.
Why wouldn't they add sample chop, SSD card, and arrange. Could have been a MPC Live competitor.
It's coming down the road, these are all the things they are adding to Note/Move (guessing in order of release) This is from one of the Note OS Devs:
Sequencing Notes
Audio Tracks
AUv3
Chord Tools
More FX
Time Signatures
Slicing
Separately we're tracking pain points:
Sample Editing
Bluetooth Audio
Note Grid/Sequencing
Sample Import
Capture
Hello and velcome to Bad Gear!
Florian’s jams on this thing are going to be fire, though!
Does this thing have the same real time stretch/ warp capabilities? If so I’d get it just to be a looper for my MPC that sucks at warping. That’s my only use for it well and as a unique midi keyboard for my MPC
Two important simple things for me missing on Move: Sidechain and note probability. Circuit Tracks has this and for me is very important, specially the note probability.
At first i thought it was too expensive but given that it is standalone i think it is ok. Just wish it had a bigger screen.
at least it has one, unlike the Circuits.
I’m afraid to say it’s yet another thing that people are gonna buy and don’t use after a week. It doesn’t seem to fill any particular gap in the market, at least not good enough to justify 449$
They added a lot of features from akai mpc, now I just hope akai will also soon add some features from ableton, it would be a great emulation :)
Features such as?
These are the best kind of videos to showcase new gear. Ableton really needs to stop with all the cinematic hipster fashion shoots and just get real people talking about the product.
@@justinsomuch6324 you realize this is Ableton you’re talking about…
But you only load up presets from lets say wavetable, you cant actually control the synth right?
That outro jam is nice.
I’d actually like this as a smaller desktop controller for Live. I don’t think you can run this mode over WI-FI though? Still, pretty useful over USB and cool for getting ideas going. Great presentation, cheers
Soooo they've 'invented' a novation circuit 9 years later! so edgy
I was hoping for a push standalone with more horsepower, but oh well
As a circuit user, from what I can see, this looks like a significant upgrade to me, if it works like it promises.
The circuit tracks is limited to 32 steps per clip and doesn't have looping controls like this. You're also forced to use two synth tracks and two sample tracks.
It's also only $50 more than a Tracks. I think it's pretty compelling.
Can we get some cv and gate out?
Will they do also the medieval version?
So it’s kind of like a novation circuit lite but more expensive? :D
@@fabiantombers4966 and it has a screen
What's lite about it? This seems mostly more powerful than the circuit to me (circuit may have a little more synth engine customization going on, and has the midi out).
@@piquantement I'm joking a little. it looks actually pretty cool and I'm an avid circuit user and thought move could be a similar workflow but more versatile.
I love the super fast workflow of the circuits but I never really loved the sound of the nova synth engine inside.
I use them live and built my patches in the stupid editor. Having the ableton synths and maybe an ableton to move workflow would have been super interesting to me.
unfortunately I'm afraid that the current Move specs won't do that for me. give me the same thing with ableton to move compatibility (of some limited form ofc) and deeper control over the synths on the unit itself and I'm interested! :)
Does the case have a hard, smooth plastic? Or that almost rubber-like finish that the Push 2 had which would show a million fingerprints and grease after using it?
Great tool to separate beat ideation/ creation from producing. so important!
Finally something to go toe to toe with MC-101. Wait, can you sound design on it? Also can you have different sounds per clip on the same track?
you could have 3 drum racks, one for drums, one for basses, one for chords, each pad on the drum rack can be played chromatically so no limits there, and then still use the final track for anything you want, maybe a unique sample thats really modulated or something idk
Has anyone seen if there are any probability or chance functions? I couldn’t find anything about it in the TH-cam videos or the user manual.
not yet, hopefully a future update
@@Maurizio_909 highly doubt it. It’s designed to be simple and then you take the sketch into Live or Push for these features
with link does that mean i can link to dj software and plug into a mixer and use in a dj set?
Can you save your tracks directly on this unit ?
looks awesome
Looks great!
A damn clever interface I would say. This is minimalism done right! Really like the form factor. Internal mic and poly aftertouch are just fantastic! (Edit: just heard about the price, damn yes!)
Buying this because of this video.