as I product designer I appreciate the fact that you were willing to re-evaluating the move from another, more objective POV. To be clear, I'm glad both videos exist. Nicely done!
That's friggen dope man! The sampling is one of two reasons I like the move. Those piano samples are dope too, especially with the cafe ambience in the background. Perfect lo-fi touch.
So inspiring! i’ve been REALLY hesitant about the four track limit, it seems like most videos i’ve seen are people trying to find workarounds for it and always fighting against it. it seems like your workflow isn’t really fighting it though and it doesn’t seem like too much of a problem or roadblock at all. i really like to see that, makes me feel a lot better about Move
The one bottleneck is that it might be easier to get stuck in the 8 bar loop, because I often like to layer different instruments for alternate sections. That gets a little bit harder with the limited track count.
THX for this Video. I like your Style and you sold me on this device. It simply looks like fun using it. I dont know if i will use it with Ableton, because i look for something simple and fun. And i think some of the quirks will be adressed in Future Firmware updates. Its not perfect in its state, but for the intended use case and although it just came out, i find it really complete.
Thank you for coming right back with this video. I was super impressed by your instinctive reactions in the previous video, intuitively responding and working stuff out for yourself. Some of the best work I've seen so far on this device has come from people NOT following preconceived workflows. I get the impression that there is much to be gained through playful interaction with Move, which I like. Many people have commented that if you wanted location sampling, you'd be better off using you phone. I'm sure that Ableton appreciate that customers will make unexpected discoveries
Didn't see this anywhere in the manual, but you can setup multiple choke groups on the move if you set them up in Ableton and then import them to the move
I received mine about a week ago. I'm seriously thinking that this will replace my MPC One. I know they are two very different devices but my primary use is playing clips live with my band...and for that use, the two are interchangeable. It's a lot easier and far lighter than an MPC One.
Abelton didn't oversell the box, and I think that's key. Its focus is inspiration--a sketchpad you can take anywhere. I'm an old head, and tech like this exising today is mind boggling. I don't think of it having limits at all. Look at an album like Peter Gabriel's soundtrack Passion, and what he did with far more limited sampling is quite inspiring.
thx for showing the step automation. i love that feature on the push and i was wondering if it works the same on the move. can you automate the per sample effects and/or global effects in a drum rack with it as well (not just automating simple midi information like pitch and gate)?
If you had none and had to choose between either 2 Ableton Move's or a Circuit Tracks & Rhythm? I have a love hate relationship with Circuits and keep coming back to it. (damn I want a Circuit Pro so much!) I'm also not an Ableton user or planning to become one. I also never used a Circuit Rhythm before. Also I've seen your video performing live with the Circuits and I wonder why you didn't use any extra MIDI controllers and just kept it to 8 encoders on the devices themselves? Personally if I'm gonna buy the Circuits again I'm gonna add the iPad and maybe another MIDI controller as my biggest frustration is not being able to get into the synth engine and really tweak it. Plus having to remember everything with 8 macro controls that act differently with every patch is too much of a hassle for me.
I'd choose the Circuit combo every time. The Move is fun, but it doesn't give me nearly enough projects, patterns, or layers to do the stuff I want to do for a live set. On the Circuits, I didn't use more than the built-in encoders for two reasons... I didn't want to add extra complexity, and the encoder functions on both decides gave me all the sound shaping options I needed. That especially goes from the Rhythm, although it's worth noting that, for a lot of Circuit Tracks packs, the mapping is consistent.
@@GabeMillerMusic Thanks for the reply. I've ordered them yesterday. I do think adding another MIDI controller isn't that complicated and makes things actually easier. Try it one time as it will improve your sound design and make your sets more lively. The synth engine goes pretty deep but it takes a while to tweak getting to the sweet spots. Getting those sweet spots mapped on a controller makes a world of a difference. :)
Hi Gabe , I remembered you did some videos on Verselab MV1 , I suppose that groovebox didn't "click" much to you , especially as MC101 did , but still , would like to ask your opinion about Move VS MV1 . I suppose the workflow is faster on Move , but I don't use Ableton (and don't plan to) , so I am a bit skeptical about replacing MV1 . Thanks :)
I had it on loan and had to send it back, and since I already had the MC-101, it seemed redundant for my specific setup. The workflow of the Move is faster than the MV-1 in some ways, but it's definitely not a replacement for the MV-1 for making full songs. If you're still enjoying the MV-1, I'd say stick with it and don't worry about the Move, especially if you don't plan on diving into Ableton.
Ngl that looks really fun, and the beats sounded great. Did you find out if you can sample while it's playing to be able to record vocals over a track? Edit: thanks for the example at the end, looks like you might be able to records vocals over a beat.
Thanks for posting this. I've been considering the Move, and this is the type of informative video that can help me decide. As usual, your videos are well put together and informative
Hard to say at this point, since I've not had it for that long. If it was the only device I had, I could make plenty of music with it, but I don't know whether it'll take over from other devices I already have.
@ couldn’t resist and got my self one finally. This time limitations worked for me and i liked it. Since lately i’m trying to keep my projects simple and use automation or different versions of the same sound and move makes me practice that and came up with 3 ideas so far. I was skeptic about the 4 track limitation, for the first day and first impression seems like i will get along with it and use it alot. Cheers.
Great video Gabe. I'm trying to get this whole "only 4 tracks" thing straight: it's not that you can't use a whole bunch of percussive elements, but you can't implement different elements in different tracks, right? what's the main issue with that?
If you're cool with stacking lots of percussive elements, then it's not super limiting. You can have multiple drum tracks as well (with 16 samples each), so you could build up a lot of complexity that way. But if you want to use the synth engine, one patch eats up an entire track. It's why I take issue with people urging me to strictly stick to the intended workflow of drums on one track, then three synth tracks, because that's artificially limiting.
You sampled a fish, yeah! ❤ I never tried it on any mobile device, though recorded Caribbean flute hitting Fender guitar pickup for percussion. Commercials never convinced me to move (pardon a pun) but you got me inspired, Gabe! Will get Move on a move 😊
@@DJCJ999-yes and no. Versus old MPCs, 4 minutes per sample on each pad? Crazy. Versus original Octatrack with disk streaming and hours-long? Less impressive. New MPC update does disk streaming too. Is the Move an Octatrack or MPC? Absolutely not. It's something else entirely, and that's why it's so appealing. What I would love to see is proper audio tracks/clips ala Live, and like with Live, sit there jamming for 30-60 minutes on say a guitar or external synth, then just sit and go through lots of clips, or chop up continuous recordings into clips (ideally automatically if they're too long for the amount of RAM available).
Completely different devices. One is battery-powered instant gratification, the other is a powerful controller-based workflow for Ableton Live. They could not be more different in their intent. It's like comparing a desktop PC against a laptop in the '00s.
For me this gadget is still to expensive versus many others on the market , okay only benefit it integrates perfectly with ableton , but i use multiple daw's so it ain't giving that little extra besides the money you spend on it ... does it even has MPE ? Love the Fish do
@@HammyHavoc 1 Yamaha Seqtrak 360 € , 2 Novation Circuit Tracks groovebox 315 € , just to give 2 Move is almost 500€ for a little more i have Maschine MK3 ... so its to expencive for what it is, okay as said perfect for ableton only but still not cheep edit : i have note on my ipad and that kind of simular ...
You could import it in to Ableton, freeze the synth tracks , save it as a live project, then load it into the force. Or Mpc one with mpc3 loaded. This can also be done with the Ableton note app.
You can prepare preset on Live by select from this effect: Channel EQ Chorus-Ensemble Delay Phaser-Flanger Redux Reverb Saturator With this instrument: Drum Racks that use Drum Sampler Drift Drum Sampler Instrument Rack
@@majorchutzpah7265 It's not horrible per se and has become common practise actually. Having taken a page out of Applle's playbook others are doing it as well nowadays. NI with NKS/Kontakt, Arturia with their Collection, Roland with Roland Cloud, etc, etc.
It's an accessory for Ableton Live. It's a sketchpad. I've been asking for exactly this device for a decade. Ableton is a business, they exist to make money, they aim to sell things people want to buy.
Eh, I disagree with that sentiment. Partially because it's just a convenient shorthand to describe "instrumental composition that's a bit more repetitive and maybe not super hooky", but mostly because I think feeling like you must make art every time you sit down to make music can sometimes be too much pressure. I've made some of my favorite music I've ever made by deciding to "just make a beat," and that evolving into something cooler and more complex.
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as I product designer I appreciate the fact that you were willing to re-evaluating the move from another, more objective POV. To be clear, I'm glad both videos exist. Nicely done!
This is my first groove box and it’s like an instant flow machine for me. So much fun.
Yessir!
Love your creativity!! And love the lofi result! 👏So cool!
That's friggen dope man! The sampling is one of two reasons I like the move. Those piano samples are dope too, especially with the cafe ambience in the background. Perfect lo-fi touch.
So inspiring! i’ve been REALLY hesitant about the four track limit, it seems like most videos i’ve seen are people trying to find workarounds for it and always fighting against it. it seems like your workflow isn’t really fighting it though and it doesn’t seem like too much of a problem or roadblock at all. i really like to see that, makes me feel a lot better about Move
The one bottleneck is that it might be easier to get stuck in the 8 bar loop, because I often like to layer different instruments for alternate sections. That gets a little bit harder with the limited track count.
THX for this Video. I like your Style and you sold me on this device. It simply looks like fun using it. I dont know if i will use it with Ableton, because i look for something simple and fun. And i think some of the quirks will be adressed in Future Firmware updates. Its not perfect in its state, but for the intended use case and although it just came out, i find it really complete.
Thank you for coming right back with this video. I was super impressed by your instinctive reactions in the previous video, intuitively responding and working stuff out for yourself. Some of the best work I've seen so far on this device has come from people NOT following preconceived workflows. I get the impression that there is much to be gained through playful interaction with Move, which I like. Many people have commented that if you wanted location sampling, you'd be better off using you phone. I'm sure that Ableton appreciate that customers will make unexpected discoveries
Didn't see this anywhere in the manual, but you can setup multiple choke groups on the move if you set them up in Ableton and then import them to the move
It sounds great with the Ableton audio engine, I've ordered my own as well.
Great job.
Just grabbed your one shot sample pack. Super dope!
I received mine about a week ago. I'm seriously thinking that this will replace my MPC One. I know they are two very different devices but my primary use is playing clips live with my band...and for that use, the two are interchangeable. It's a lot easier and far lighter than an MPC One.
Having a built in battery is also nice I guess. 😁
Abelton didn't oversell the box, and I think that's key. Its focus is inspiration--a sketchpad you can take anywhere. I'm an old head, and tech like this exising today is mind boggling. I don't think of it having limits at all. Look at an album like Peter Gabriel's soundtrack Passion, and what he did with far more limited sampling is quite inspiring.
Hey Gabe… once you get your time on the Move you know you are going to have to do a comparison video with the 101 right 👍
Is this basically like a circuit tracks and circuit rhythm combined? Do you like it more than those devices?
thx for showing the step automation. i love that feature on the push and i was wondering if it works the same on the move. can you automate the per sample effects and/or global effects in a drum rack with it as well (not just automating simple midi information like pitch and gate)?
You can automate the per sample effects as far as I know, but I'd have to go back and try the global stuff to see whether that works.
If you had none and had to choose between either 2 Ableton Move's or a Circuit Tracks & Rhythm?
I have a love hate relationship with Circuits and keep coming back to it. (damn I want a Circuit Pro so much!)
I'm also not an Ableton user or planning to become one. I also never used a Circuit Rhythm before.
Also I've seen your video performing live with the Circuits and I wonder why you didn't use any extra MIDI controllers and just kept it to 8 encoders on the devices themselves?
Personally if I'm gonna buy the Circuits again I'm gonna add the iPad and maybe another MIDI controller as my biggest frustration is not being able to get into the synth engine and really tweak it. Plus having to remember everything with 8 macro controls that act differently with every patch is too much of a hassle for me.
I'd choose the Circuit combo every time. The Move is fun, but it doesn't give me nearly enough projects, patterns, or layers to do the stuff I want to do for a live set.
On the Circuits, I didn't use more than the built-in encoders for two reasons... I didn't want to add extra complexity, and the encoder functions on both decides gave me all the sound shaping options I needed. That especially goes from the Rhythm, although it's worth noting that, for a lot of Circuit Tracks packs, the mapping is consistent.
@@GabeMillerMusic Thanks for the reply. I've ordered them yesterday.
I do think adding another MIDI controller isn't that complicated and makes things actually easier. Try it one time as it will improve your sound design and make your sets more lively. The synth engine goes pretty deep but it takes a while to tweak getting to the sweet spots. Getting those sweet spots mapped on a controller makes a world of a difference. :)
When will we see Circuit Rhythm and Ableton Move playing together?
Hi Gabe , I remembered you did some videos on Verselab MV1 , I suppose that groovebox didn't "click" much to you , especially as MC101 did , but still , would like to ask your opinion about Move VS MV1 . I suppose the workflow is faster on Move , but I don't use Ableton (and don't plan to) , so I am a bit skeptical about replacing MV1 .
Thanks :)
I had it on loan and had to send it back, and since I already had the MC-101, it seemed redundant for my specific setup. The workflow of the Move is faster than the MV-1 in some ways, but it's definitely not a replacement for the MV-1 for making full songs. If you're still enjoying the MV-1, I'd say stick with it and don't worry about the Move, especially if you don't plan on diving into Ableton.
@@GabeMillerMusic Thank you very much :)
Ngl that looks really fun, and the beats sounded great. Did you find out if you can sample while it's playing to be able to record vocals over a track?
Edit: thanks for the example at the end, looks like you might be able to records vocals over a beat.
Thanks for posting this. I've been considering the Move, and this is the type of informative video that can help me decide. As usual, your videos are well put together and informative
Feels like it will take dust in a while after the hype? Do you think so?
Hard to say at this point, since I've not had it for that long. If it was the only device I had, I could make plenty of music with it, but I don't know whether it'll take over from other devices I already have.
@ couldn’t resist and got my self one finally. This time limitations worked for me and i liked it. Since lately i’m trying to keep my projects simple and use automation or different versions of the same sound and move makes me practice that and came up with 3 ideas so far. I was skeptic about the 4 track limitation, for the first day and first impression seems like i will get along with it and use it alot. Cheers.
Cool!
Great video Gabe. I'm trying to get this whole "only 4 tracks" thing straight: it's not that you can't use a whole bunch of percussive elements, but you can't implement different elements in different tracks, right? what's the main issue with that?
If you're cool with stacking lots of percussive elements, then it's not super limiting. You can have multiple drum tracks as well (with 16 samples each), so you could build up a lot of complexity that way. But if you want to use the synth engine, one patch eats up an entire track. It's why I take issue with people urging me to strictly stick to the intended workflow of drums on one track, then three synth tracks, because that's artificially limiting.
Because of you i bought novation circuit. :p can you make a tutorial about the software for it?
Already did! I've made videos on Novation Components for all three Circuits (the original, Tracks, and Rhythm)
@GabeMillerMusic ah thats great, ill check them out. Thanks for your work. Now im buying grooveboxes like insane and i dont have money. XD
Could you record vocals onto it? 🧐
You can sample anything into the mic so I’d say yes.. also I think it has 6 min limit per pad which is huge for vocal takes..
You sampled a fish, yeah! ❤
I never tried it on any mobile device, though recorded Caribbean flute hitting Fender guitar pickup for percussion. Commercials never convinced me to move (pardon a pun) but you got me inspired, Gabe! Will get Move on a move 😊
@@DJCJ999-4 minutes, not 6.
@@HammyHavoc 4 minutes stereo is huge!
@@DJCJ999-yes and no. Versus old MPCs, 4 minutes per sample on each pad? Crazy. Versus original Octatrack with disk streaming and hours-long? Less impressive. New MPC update does disk streaming too. Is the Move an Octatrack or MPC? Absolutely not. It's something else entirely, and that's why it's so appealing.
What I would love to see is proper audio tracks/clips ala Live, and like with Live, sit there jamming for 30-60 minutes on say a guitar or external synth, then just sit and go through lots of clips, or chop up continuous recordings into clips (ideally automatically if they're too long for the amount of RAM available).
I’m on the fence but I think it’s a better device than the KO2.. but really it’s making me consider the Push 2 instead.
i think thats the why for its seemingly arbitrary limitations. its a gateway drug.
Completely different devices. One is battery-powered instant gratification, the other is a powerful controller-based workflow for Ableton Live. They could not be more different in their intent. It's like comparing a desktop PC against a laptop in the '00s.
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@@HammyHavoc sure but the point I’m trying to make is you will likely outgrow the Move.
Everyone vibing on the Move is ironically also a Note expert 😎
Nice. Would a simple usb mic like a zoom make the ‘sample the world around’ less lofi?
Possibly! Although it takes away from the immediacy a bit
For me this gadget is still to expensive versus many others on the market , okay only benefit it integrates perfectly with ableton , but i use multiple daw's so it ain't giving that little extra besides the money you spend on it ... does it even has MPE ? Love the Fish do
What is it competing against?
@@HammyHavoc 1 Yamaha Seqtrak 360 € , 2 Novation Circuit Tracks groovebox 315 € , just to give 2 Move is almost 500€ for a little more i have Maschine MK3 ... so its to expencive for what it is, okay as said perfect for ableton only but still not cheep edit : i have note on my ipad and that kind of simular ...
No MPE as far as I know. It's definitely not gonna be worth it for everyone, even among standalone workstation users.
You could import it in to Ableton, freeze the synth tracks , save it as a live project, then load it into the force. Or Mpc one with mpc3 loaded.
This can also be done with the Ableton note app.
buyers should prob need to love the reverb and delay?
You can prepare preset on Live by select from this effect:
Channel EQ
Chorus-Ensemble
Delay
Phaser-Flanger
Redux
Reverb
Saturator
With this instrument:
Drum Racks that use Drum Sampler
Drift
Drum Sampler
Instrument Rack
The cynical part IMO could be that Ableton created this instant result device to draw people into their eco system.
That would be horrible....lmao
@@majorchutzpah7265 It's not horrible per se and has become common practise actually. Having taken a page out of Applle's playbook others are doing it as well nowadays. NI with NKS/Kontakt, Arturia with their Collection, Roland with Roland Cloud, etc, etc.
It's an accessory for Ableton Live. It's a sketchpad. I've been asking for exactly this device for a decade. Ableton is a business, they exist to make money, they aim to sell things people want to buy.
I could see that, but I feel like it's a bit too pricey to draw in people who aren't already interested in the Ableton ecosystem.
Accessory for Ableton is great way to frame it, I think it makes a lot of the design decisions and response make a bit more sense
Very expensive toy......
Make art, not beats.
Eh, I disagree with that sentiment. Partially because it's just a convenient shorthand to describe "instrumental composition that's a bit more repetitive and maybe not super hooky", but mostly because I think feeling like you must make art every time you sit down to make music can sometimes be too much pressure. I've made some of my favorite music I've ever made by deciding to "just make a beat," and that evolving into something cooler and more complex.
Mick's maxim: art is anything that is presented as, or perceived to be, art. Thereafter it's merely a question of taste.