OK watched the whole video. This was mega useful. Im not super into the Move but it has been a lot of fun just playing around. The overall subjects of the video were great and actually, lots of little side-comments made in this video were also huge workflow tips. Thanks for making this so easy to understand while covering so much ground!
Just got the Move and have to say this was the perfect overview. Thank you! Hopefully they add in warp modes and stretching to bpm for audio samples, for me the main thing i‘m missing atm.
Thanks for a very helpful overview of this very capable little box 👌🏻 It’s sad how many bad so-called reviews it had, most of them because people got stuck in this ‘only 4 tracks’ paradigm… and yes, I was one of them 🫣 until I figured out that it’s not just 4 MIDI or audio tracks, but ‘groups’ containing multiple patterns that can hold multiple pitches, multiple voices of polyphony, and in case of the drum rack also multiple different sounds (like for instance the drum sequencer on the BSP and KSP). Now I think this little sketchbook has quite a lot of handy little tricks up its sleeve, and fits nicely into the Ableton workflow. Hopefully they’ll expand its MIDI over USB capabilities and add audio over USB, too. A really tight integration with the Note app would also be very welcome. Other than some big players like Native Instruments, they communicated very open and I do trust them when they say there’s room left for further development. Yes I know, they took a long time to update Push 3, but then again, they also didn’t forget about Push 2 in the same run.
Loopop thanks so much for all these tidbits. Had mine for 3 weeks but I could have had it for 3 months and not found all these deepest tidbits. What a fascinating little stick they released. Can't wait to see where the updates go from an already good starting point. As someone that has owned the majority of grooveboxes out there under $1000, I'm floored at what we get for $450. It's sort of unreal. And just dragging splice samples directly from the splice browser into the manager is just next level.
@davidblesse2820 0 seconds ago What an odd assumption. Instead of you guessing let me fill you in: I'm 38. Been using ableton for 11 years and have taken courses via Berklee online to become their version of "ableton certified." I use a ton of outboard gear and sometimes don't even use a computer or ableton. The splice feature is next level but I was only mentioning splice. The move manager window can receive drag/drop from any application. It's super slick and I Hope companies like Roland pay attention to the smoothness that ableton is constructing their own environment beyond Live, but with perfect tools to integrate into any other environment. Splice use is a clutch feature that all the kids under 25 will like though. It's the first window open for all my young friends. What it does for move though, is lend it to almost any sound, worldwide, to immediately put it on or or beyond same playing field of sample libraries like Akai and Roland and NI. Literally within a couple (like 2)minutes this new little ableton move can produce virtually any sound you can find out there without ever having to load up an SD card via some silly convoluted process like all the competition. That's super cool. Obviously.
Thank you for the detailed tips and review. What I love most about Move and Note is the randomization of instruments and presets (quality sound selections as well). Maschine MK3 is quite similar with the kits and expansions, perhaps MPC One as well. Wouldn't it be awesome if you can make an Ableton template that loads up 4 or 8 randomized sounds as well? Similar to Move or Note.
@loopop Here’s a handy workaround for looping a sample: Load the sample into the sampler and hold the note for the sample’s duration. Then, capture it, and the BPM will automatically adjust the rest of the set to match for a seamless loop.
I really appreciate you leaving a tip - I tried it and I've found that pretty much impossible to time right... but for someone with better timing, perhaps!
Thanks @loopop! I didn't know about that shift double tap functionality, I've been really stretching my hand out when trying to automate sample start 😅. I found syncing with Ableton Note really useful for reversing samples, something you can't do on the Move.
Excellent as usual. I really do like the look of the Move and I don't see four tracks being a big issue since you have resampling and any track can be a drum rack.
Definitely curious about move but Ableton’s implementation of 16 pitches is just not it for me. Maschine handles this so well. I was hoping Live would catch up on that front but I guess they’re just designed differently. Great video though, answers a lot of questions I had about it.
I’ll never understand how people play a guitar or piano or drum set or COWBELL, and then others look at something like Move and say “ThAtS tOO LiMiTeD”
I had been wondering whether loopop had decided to ignore the Move. But no, he was preparing another masterpiece… Thank you, sir! Move looks like a brilliant device. Not for me though, as I need to be able to record audio (vocals, real instruments)….
But you can! Move has audio input jack, has built-in microphone, can record up to 4 minutes of audio per pad (so 4 tracks x 16 pads on each), will - very likely, but not guaranteed - get proper audio tracks, if that's not enough.
@ Yh I know that in theory it can be done, but I have not seen any demo of anyone using that feature to record “normal” audio tracks over a drumbeat/bassline so I suspect it’s not that straightforward…
I have a ton of grooveboxes (Elekron's included), and I have tried most of the ones you showed in the price range. The one thing that is more beneficial, than ALL of the other grooveboxes, is that I can finally take my ideas into Ableton quickly and easily. So many unfinished sketches, lie dormant on other grooveboxes, forgotten; hopefully this is the key to moving forward.
There are too many limitations for me; like the synths can't be edited and rely on presets (and compared to things like the play the sequencer is super basic), but the basic concept of bringing your "sketch" to live is genius. I think it can evolve though; but like having a basic synth preset with at least 2 or 3 pages of editable parameters would make a big difference.
@@valdir7426 Seriously? I got mine today and it's amazing. It's a keeper for me. Loads of possibilies and all of it can be transfered to the computer to be finished in seconds. Game changer in my eyes.
The one major con is not being able to export Wavetable patches from Live to Move. I wish that Ableton would detect that your in Move edit mode and just turn off/limit the Wavetable features that you can’t use on the Move and just let use more Wavetables than the ones they stuck us with. It’s a nice piece of gear for the price, but it’s extremely limited in terms of modulation and envelope driven synth sound design. Also, I seriously hope they add an auto-filter as part of the effects block. I’m tempted to return it at times, but I’m getting kind of used it, I just hope ableton opens it up for more serious sound designers a little more.
Regarding the 3/4 and 6/8 section, I'd like to point out that there's a major difference between triplets and 3/4 time sig. On move you can't have a 3/4 clip against a 4/4 clip using triplets, as the 1/8th notes would not be at the same speed. You can achieve this by having a clip 12 step long and another 16 step long, but then you cannot trigger them in sync reliably since everything is synced to a "hidden" background 4/4 clock.
This is a pretty cool little idea box. I am leaning more towards the new Push, however. I am imagining that you are already working on that new Polyend Synth review. Looks pretty interesting. Thanks Loopop!
if you can afford it and you do not need the portability, go for the push. for me, the push or ableton can be a bit much sometimes. so, i welcome the limitations of the move. if you have no similar problem like me, the push does (almost) everything better than the move. also, the push 2 is a great option still (if you do not have it already, that is) and is criminally cheap right now. it is still an immensely powerful controller, especially if you do not care too much about MPE or having an audio interface build in. cheers
What a fun little groove box this is to start an idea. Would I love it so much if I didn't have Ableton? No, probably not but if you are an Ableton user this is great. I unplugged my push 3 the other day and was wasting creative juice menu diving and eventually picked this up again and instant gratification. Few frustrating limitations (which I'm hoping to get ironed out) but overall great product.
It's odd how they have done the drum pitching in Ableton Live. As Drum Racks in Live already had an ability to play any Pad chromatically by routing a MIDI track to the Track with the Drum Rack and then selecting the Pad to play the pitched notes on. So it would have made sense to make each Drum Rack on Move a group of the Drum Rack and 16 MIDI tracks routed to each Pad. Then that would be useful and editable in Live - odd they didn't go this route.
I begged for a MOVE video- but back then I didnt know the op-xy would hit the floor :D - please tell me its not gonna be weeks until you drop a review :*
dude you keep setting a moving target, I can't keep up! yes, it's going to be weeks at least - I don't have it yet - you're welcome to set up a petition with TE to ship it :)
Im new to ableton and push3, and the thing I can’t understand its how they dont have an option to piano roll a drum rack sample, specially on push. This is the classic 16 notes function on the classic MPCs, and it’s a staple on hiphop production, I still don’t know if I could live without it, or this very basic thing will put me out to the new mpcs that Im neglecting for years, or back to my maschine mk3. This feature is nice on move, but the way it is translated to ableton is weird. Theres some things thats so classic that you should not change, 16 notes should open a piano roll for that specific sample, period, like every other hybrid groovebox/daw ever made.
I'm really surprised you didn't show how controller mode works with simpler in the manual slice mode! This is one of the main features I'm interested in using and I haven't found a video of anyone using it. I've come across one reddit post that mentions it, but that'a about it. Can you confirm whether you can create new slices by pressing empty pads in controller mode?
I didn't show it because that's the one thing Move can do on its own pretty well, so why show a convoluted way of doing it? I preferred to show it as lazy chop on Move itself. However, to your question, yes, it works!
Hi @@loopop ! Does the midi capture also try to detect time signature or just the bpm? Beat detection to me isn't so unique, but time signature detection hasn't been done yet
@@boimesa8190 which other device lets you play an idea with no running clock and then guesses the tempo? Regarding time signature, capture isn’t quantized, so I guess it doesn’t really force any particular time signature at all if you ignore the step sequencer, one of the “guessed” tempos might align with what you’re going for.
Great overview thanks! I love the Move. I tried many to find a portable solution that had a great UI and easy to use. The Move is it. I tried OP-1, Polyend Play, and Elektron Samples, I sold them all. The Move reminds me of a 4 track recorder from the 90s. The best piece of equipment I purchased in 2024. I can see future updates really push it to its limit. Find me something else that can quickly let you lay down tracks in few minutes and I’ll buy it. I don’t know of any.
@@epigon1-I honestly don't like the touchscreen nav on modern-day MPCs, you can't muscle-memory, I just don't get along with that, just like I hate the touchscreen "zone" for shifting gear in a Tesla instead of a physical control.
Synthstrom Deluge should have the same amount of immediacy. It doesn't have velocity/after touch pads, the factory drum samples are a bit more retro and the onboard synth engine is a bit more "charactered", but it also has unlimited tracks and track lengths (up to memory limits) and is a fantastic sequencer/song arranger. I have had it for almost 5 years and love it, have performed live countless times with I am wondering about getting the Move or the Polyend Play to compliment it as multitmbral sound sources + after touch pad controller.
So precise and so useful video as usual. A great thanks for that. Concerning the cloud and Notes, the crippling problem is that Ableton Notes is an app that only exists under iOS. This excludes many (too many) users (70% of the smartphone market in 2024). Even if the reasons for this choice are admissible (latency problem in particular) For me, it remains a very negative point on the Ableton side. But that's not a reason to abandon Move, which is really very interesting in my opinion for creativity.
Thanks - my pleasure! I don't think it's latency, I'd guess it's just the effort of supporting another platform, because Note runs well on my 8 year old iPad. Speaking of which that might be a good solution if you have an old iPad around the house or want to buy/borrow a used one.
This thing is great. I just wish it had a tiny bit more tracks, and the ability to do full sound design with all synth parameters available. With the parameter bank mechanism already there, it shouldn't be too hard for Ableton to add the missing parameters. So I have hope.
I try to enjoy playing what I have on my desk for review, because I rarely have time to explore much else. I try to find time but keep getting tempted with something new that comes along...
I have the move and love it but it needs multi samples so it can make more realistic sound. I wish it could have at least one instance of the Ableton sampler. Also if it had maybe one audio track with clips and warping
Would be cool if you could configure the drum pitch mode to other controllers - ie overlay different parameters, such as start time - therefore chopping a break all on the one drum track for example.
🙋♂️❓OT: Any recommendations for similarly portable arranger that *also* has a good workflow for vocal based production / linear audio recording? Looking for something that’s part groove box and part 4 track + recorder. The goal would be to come up with a groove and add free flowing vocals over the top. I’d ultimately then transfer the ideas to a DAW to finish. Thank you for any suggestions. Cheers.
AT LAST! THANKS! been waiting as well! had mine for for almost a month andI refused to dive deep into it until you posted this vid...lol...keep up the great work!
is the melodic sampler (or 16 pitches in drum rack) a warping effect or just a speeding up or slowing down of the sample? if the latter is the case, you can make your samples longer or shorter via resampling, no? my move will arrive tomorrow, so i will find out soon anyway :)
@ i just received the machine and i tried it out. like you said, it is old school repitching by in- or decreasing sample playback. no warping on this machine. you can load a drum loop for example in the melodic sequencer and adjust the sample speed by ear to your set bpm with transpose (in halfsteps or cents with the shift button) until it matches. then, place a midi note in the sequencer, make it long enough to play the whole thing. then, resample that, and you got your sample in the bpm you wish. this is quite tedious to get just right, but it can be done. obviously it is not warped, so the pitch might not be what you want, but in the old school way, it is available. that is the function, i was looking for, but is that what you meant? i was also pleasantly surprised about the speaker quality. for such a small thing, they are really decent and even have some bass. absolutely love it so far.
@19:31 this right here is what really puts me off the move. having presets with totally different controls and no way to fully tweak the synth. Also I've browsed the whole of youtube and nobody seems interested to show how move works as an ableton controller (and specially ableton); I don't get it.
@@loopop no worries; I didn't mean to point out this video specifically. I was curious about the plugin control and the possibility to control several banks of parameters for a given plug-in; my first impression is you can't; but I'm not sure (the move seems like an excellent controller besides that). I know there won't be a controller only version but that would be neat still
Totally agree! I'm looking for a good review about the "controller mode" I can't find it.. I don't understand why..Even Ableton didnt make a video about this
@@Antonio_Ortiz there's probably a market of people like me for whom the push is way too big for a controller but who would really benefit from a small form-factor dedicated controller like the move can be. The launch key mini mk4 is another interesting option; but it has a keyboard attached. still for now that's probably what I'm getting. Also with the release of the polyend synth with their split pad keyboard and nice performance features it feels like there's room for interesting alternatives to keyboards.
how did you connect your Launchkey to Move, I just got the launch key and can't connect it to Move. I set the Midi In setting on in Move. Not sure if I should do something from the launchkey. Please help
I smell an OP-XY video pending! Your channel wallpaper is (are) the drum pattern monkeys from Teenage Engineering, so it will happen. You're too trusted in the industry for them to have sent a XY to all the synth-kiddy channels but not you!
Indeed the TE monkeys started my descent into hardware madness, and the lack of undo and tape workflow made that quest never-ending :) Bummer they didn't send it but one way or another I'll get my hands on one...
@@HammyHavoc Did you even watch the video? There are TONS of (non-obvious) workarounds and hidden features in this device to deal with its limitations that even this video cannot cover all.
@@Drrolfski-a workaround is not an intended workflow, that's all on the end-user making a decision to work in that way. It's a sketchpad. Use it for what it does well, use other things for what they do better. It's akin to using a modern-day MPC's looper utility-it's frankly terrible-but, I don't think anybody is buying an MPC for looping live instruments, likewise if you want a synth, stacking pitch tracking pedals on top of a guitar signal is never going to give you the knob twiddling aspect of a real synth. Why use a hammer when there's a screwdriver? It is what it is. I'm not expecting a ton of depth from a Move, just something fun to capture ideas with that'll sync with Live in a friction-less way. Ticks those boxes just fine for me. Now all I want is proper audio tracks for playing in instruments, and it's a decent alternative to a Portastudio or what the iZotope Spire was trying to be. Perhaps we both approach the Move from completely different angles.
@@loopop …still watching your video (excellent as per 👍).. sure the Move is essentially standalone so everything on it is based on the standalone aspect… I will download the manual.
Had it, returned it. It’s an ok device, but for same money you can get a iPad running Note and a small cheap midi controller and have a waaaayyyy wayyyy wayyyy better solution. Like better in every conceivable way.
It’s nice and all but way too complex for a stand alone. I would probably just use it as a midi controller for Ableton. But for this purpose alone it seems to expensive.
What on earth more do you need to be included for it to be considered to have sampling capabilities? It's literally the quickest chromatic sampler on the market.
It could be much more interesting if it had, at least, 8 tracks and audio tracks, plus some form of project sharing with others daws, like DAWproject. Also, why everyone uses tiny screens? That is not easy on the eyes at all... It could have so much potential... (I wouldn't have any desire to use the workarounds available)
I must be getting old, I can't think of anything more frustrating to use. 😅 Some products just lend themselves to instant creation without the need to watch videos or use a manual.
@loopop I can see that, but that's for TH-cam content. I'm glad you are having fun. To me seeing you wiggling your finger while playing the pads to simulate AT/MPE with that velocity workaround, made me chuckle and sad at the same time. Chuckle at how you bring out the best in these devices and sad at what this could've been.
also, it is not dying at all. it is sold out completely and ableton is ramping up production as they underestimated the demand. oh, the irony... all that bad rep probably made it blow up.
@@sebastianvega4576 if great initial sales were an indicator for a products future relevance then we would all still be talking about about gear we currently all have forced ourselves to forget.
This is just such an unappealing device - it's like a hardware version of their app, but the app actually has a way better workflow than this. And its extensive limitations really keep it from being an actual standalone workstation even for playing live like a mini Push standalone. Who's it for, really?
The app doesn't have velocity-sensitive pads though. It also doesn't have line inputs. It isn't meant to replace the app either-hence you can sync sets between them. Who's it for? Assumedly anybody who wants a sketchpad for Live. Keep in mind that Note isn't available on Android either. Just because you can't work with a sketchpad doesn't mean others can't. It all ends up in the DAW anyway.
Awesome! There's a bunch of things you explained that other Move reviews didn't went through. Thank you!
3 minutes in and this is the best Move video Ive seen so far
OK watched the whole video. This was mega useful. Im not super into the Move but it has been a lot of fun just playing around. The overall subjects of the video were great and actually, lots of little side-comments made in this video were also huge workflow tips. Thanks for making this so easy to understand while covering so much ground!
I've been waiting for this video for 3 or 4 weeks. Thanks Loop
I literally was about to write the exact comment! 🙂 8'Ill do it anyways, hope it helps for the TH-cam algorythm
same lol
FINALLLLYYYYY! The king has returned! 1 minute in and its already better than the 40 other "DERP.....It only had four tracks!..Droolzz...." videos.
Once again, one of the best and most informative videos on a piece of gear. Well worth the weight you always knock it out of the park.
I've been waiting for this review for some weeks. Thank you loopop for another wonderful and inspiring review and tutorial! 🙏
Just got the Move and have to say this was the perfect overview. Thank you! Hopefully they add in warp modes and stretching to
bpm for audio samples, for me the main thing i‘m missing atm.
Thanks for a very helpful overview of this very capable little box 👌🏻 It’s sad how many bad so-called reviews it had, most of them because people got stuck in this ‘only 4 tracks’ paradigm… and yes, I was one of them 🫣 until I figured out that it’s not just 4 MIDI or audio tracks, but ‘groups’ containing multiple patterns that can hold multiple pitches, multiple voices of polyphony, and in case of the drum rack also multiple different sounds (like for instance the drum sequencer on the BSP and KSP).
Now I think this little sketchbook has quite a lot of handy little tricks up its sleeve, and fits nicely into the Ableton workflow. Hopefully they’ll expand its MIDI over USB capabilities and add audio over USB, too. A really tight integration with the Note app would also be very welcome.
Other than some big players like Native Instruments, they communicated very open and I do trust them when they say there’s room left for further development. Yes I know, they took a long time to update Push 3, but then again, they also didn’t forget about Push 2 in the same run.
Yes! This is the video I’ve been waiting for! Although, to be fair, the budding Move community as a whole really has made some amazing videos!
Man, awesome video, after 3 minutes, I already new I had to watch all of it.
Thanks for this in depth video. One thing I appreciate is the Inkey Feature. This is useful for adding chord even without a keyboard plugged in.
Loopop thanks so much for all these tidbits. Had mine for 3 weeks but I could have had it for 3 months and not found all these deepest tidbits. What a fascinating little stick they released. Can't wait to see where the updates go from an already good starting point. As someone that has owned the majority of grooveboxes out there under $1000, I'm floored at what we get for $450. It's sort of unreal. And just dragging splice samples directly from the splice browser into the manager is just next level.
If you're happy with that splice workflow i bet you're younger than 25
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What an odd assumption. Instead of you guessing let me fill you in:
I'm 38. Been using ableton for 11 years and have taken courses via Berklee online to become their version of "ableton certified." I use a ton of outboard gear and sometimes don't even use a computer or ableton. The splice feature is next level but I was only mentioning splice. The move manager window can receive drag/drop from any application. It's super slick and I Hope companies like Roland pay attention to the smoothness that ableton is constructing their own environment beyond Live, but with perfect tools to integrate into any other environment. Splice use is a clutch feature that all the kids under 25 will like though. It's the first window open for all my young friends. What it does for move though, is lend it to almost any sound, worldwide, to immediately put it on or or beyond same playing field of sample libraries like Akai and Roland and NI. Literally within a couple (like 2)minutes this new little ableton move can produce virtually any sound you can find out there without ever having to load up an SD card via some silly convoluted process like all the competition. That's super cool. Obviously.
I loved the intro / outro. And the tons of tips as well of course!
Thank you for the detailed tips and review. What I love most about Move and Note is the randomization of instruments and presets (quality sound selections as well). Maschine MK3 is quite similar with the kits and expansions, perhaps MPC One as well. Wouldn't it be awesome if you can make an Ableton template that loads up 4 or 8 randomized sounds as well? Similar to Move or Note.
''The basic idea is that Move - like the government - is constantly recording everything you do'' 😂🙌 Thanks for the video!
Just pulled mine out on lunch and ya uploaded this right after. Thanks for this!
@loopop Here’s a handy workaround for looping a sample: Load the sample into the sampler and hold the note for the sample’s duration. Then, capture it, and the BPM will automatically adjust the rest of the set to match for a seamless loop.
I really appreciate you leaving a tip - I tried it and I've found that pretty much impossible to time right... but for someone with better timing, perhaps!
Thanks @loopop! I didn't know about that shift double tap functionality, I've been really stretching my hand out when trying to automate sample start 😅. I found syncing with Ableton Note really useful for reversing samples, something you can't do on the Move.
Love the potential of this thing. Will buy as soon as they add parallel midi in and out via USB and the ability to create presets in ableton.
Excellent as usual. I really do like the look of the Move and I don't see four tracks being a big issue since you have resampling and any track can be a drum rack.
Definitely curious about move but Ableton’s implementation of 16 pitches is just not it for me. Maschine handles this so well. I was hoping Live would catch up on that front but I guess they’re just designed differently. Great video though, answers a lot of questions I had about it.
I’m also waiting for this video.
Thanks loopop
I’ll never understand how people play a guitar or piano or drum set or COWBELL, and then others look at something like Move and say “ThAtS tOO LiMiTeD”
I had been wondering whether loopop had decided to ignore the Move. But no, he was preparing another masterpiece… Thank you, sir!
Move looks like a brilliant device. Not for me though, as I need to be able to record audio (vocals, real instruments)….
But you can! Move has audio input jack, has built-in microphone, can record up to 4 minutes of audio per pad (so 4 tracks x 16 pads on each), will - very likely, but not guaranteed - get proper audio tracks, if that's not enough.
@ Yh I know that in theory it can be done, but I have not seen any demo of anyone using that feature to record “normal” audio tracks over a drumbeat/bassline so I suspect it’s not that straightforward…
@@hvhvgitaar there's many of them on official Discord - surprisingly more than trance/techno/drum&bass which I'd expect to see :)
@artek604 ok, thanks, will check it out.
I have a ton of grooveboxes (Elekron's included), and I have tried most of the ones you showed in the price range. The one thing that is more beneficial, than ALL of the other grooveboxes, is that I can finally take my ideas into Ableton quickly and easily. So many unfinished sketches, lie dormant on other grooveboxes, forgotten; hopefully this is the key to moving forward.
There are too many limitations for me; like the synths can't be edited and rely on presets (and compared to things like the play the sequencer is super basic), but the basic concept of bringing your "sketch" to live is genius. I think it can evolve though; but like having a basic synth preset with at least 2 or 3 pages of editable parameters would make a big difference.
@@valdir7426 Seriously? I got mine today and it's amazing. It's a keeper for me. Loads of possibilies and all of it can be transfered to the computer to be finished in seconds.
Game changer in my eyes.
The one major con is not being able to export Wavetable patches from Live to Move. I wish that Ableton would detect that your in Move edit mode and just turn off/limit the Wavetable features that you can’t use on the Move and just let use more Wavetables than the ones they stuck us with. It’s a nice piece of gear for the price, but it’s extremely limited in terms of modulation and envelope driven synth sound design.
Also, I seriously hope they add an auto-filter as part of the effects block. I’m tempted to return it at times, but I’m getting kind of used it, I just hope ableton opens it up for more serious sound designers a little more.
Regarding the 3/4 and 6/8 section, I'd like to point out that there's a major difference between triplets and 3/4 time sig. On move you can't have a 3/4 clip against a 4/4 clip using triplets, as the 1/8th notes would not be at the same speed. You can achieve this by having a clip 12 step long and another 16 step long, but then you cannot trigger them in sync reliably since everything is synced to a "hidden" background 4/4 clock.
This is a pretty cool little idea box. I am leaning more towards the new Push, however. I am imagining that you are already working on that new Polyend Synth review. Looks pretty interesting. Thanks Loopop!
if you can afford it and you do not need the portability, go for the push. for me, the push or ableton can be a bit much sometimes. so, i welcome the limitations of the move. if you have no similar problem like me, the push does (almost) everything better than the move. also, the push 2 is a great option still (if you do not have it already, that is) and is criminally cheap right now. it is still an immensely powerful controller, especially if you do not care too much about MPE or having an audio interface build in. cheers
Great tips&tricks!
What a fun little groove box this is to start an idea. Would I love it so much if I didn't have Ableton? No, probably not but if you are an Ableton user this is great. I unplugged my push 3 the other day and was wasting creative juice menu diving and eventually picked this up again and instant gratification. Few frustrating limitations (which I'm hoping to get ironed out) but overall great product.
I don't know why it isn't an option to road a random starting set in Ableton
Better sample editing features please Ableton, you gave us 64Gb to play with!
It's odd how they have done the drum pitching in Ableton Live. As Drum Racks in Live already had an ability to play any Pad chromatically by routing a MIDI track to the Track with the Drum Rack and then selecting the Pad to play the pitched notes on. So it would have made sense to make each Drum Rack on Move a group of the Drum Rack and 16 MIDI tracks routed to each Pad. Then that would be useful and editable in Live - odd they didn't go this route.
I begged for a MOVE video- but back then I didnt know the op-xy would hit the floor :D - please tell me its not gonna be weeks until you drop a review :*
dude you keep setting a moving target, I can't keep up! yes, it's going to be weeks at least - I don't have it yet - you're welcome to set up a petition with TE to ship it :)
@@loopop Anakin, you're breaking my heart
@@reneeschke patience you must have, obi wan, sorry OP-1, sorry, OP XY will be covered
@ I quoted padme. all hope is lost for you.
@@reneeschke I know, I quoted yoda; > padme
Im new to ableton and push3, and the thing I can’t understand its how they dont have an option to piano roll a drum rack sample, specially on push. This is the classic 16 notes function on the classic MPCs, and it’s a staple on hiphop production, I still don’t know if I could live without it, or this very basic thing will put me out to the new mpcs that Im neglecting for years, or back to my maschine mk3. This feature is nice on move, but the way it is translated to ableton is weird. Theres some things thats so classic that you should not change, 16 notes should open a piano roll for that specific sample, period, like every other hybrid groovebox/daw ever made.
@loopop As FYI to edit MIDI Pitch MPE if you hold cmd/ctrl and drag it will latch to semitones
Capture thing is cool / basically a retrospective looper / it's always listening to
I'm really surprised you didn't show how controller mode works with simpler in the manual slice mode! This is one of the main features I'm interested in using and I haven't found a video of anyone using it. I've come across one reddit post that mentions it, but that'a about it. Can you confirm whether you can create new slices by pressing empty pads in controller mode?
I didn't show it because that's the one thing Move can do on its own pretty well, so why show a convoluted way of doing it? I preferred to show it as lazy chop on Move itself. However, to your question, yes, it works!
Yes you can, set slice by to manual and you can add slices with empty pads.
Hi @@loopop ! Does the midi capture also try to detect time signature or just the bpm? Beat detection to me isn't so unique, but time signature detection hasn't been done yet
@@boimesa8190 which other device lets you play an idea with no running clock and then guesses the tempo? Regarding time signature, capture isn’t quantized, so I guess it doesn’t really force any particular time signature at all if you ignore the step sequencer, one of the “guessed” tempos might align with what you’re going for.
Great overview thanks! I love the Move. I tried many to find a portable solution that had a great UI and easy to use. The Move is it. I tried OP-1, Polyend Play, and Elektron Samples, I sold them all. The Move reminds me of a 4 track recorder from the 90s. The best piece of equipment I purchased in 2024. I can see future updates really push it to its limit. Find me something else that can quickly let you lay down tracks in few minutes and I’ll buy it. I don’t know of any.
Just like a 4-track-apart from there are no audio tracks (yet).
Mpc?
@@epigon1-I honestly don't like the touchscreen nav on modern-day MPCs, you can't muscle-memory, I just don't get along with that, just like I hate the touchscreen "zone" for shifting gear in a Tesla instead of a physical control.
Synthstrom Deluge should have the same amount of immediacy. It doesn't have velocity/after touch pads, the factory drum samples are a bit more retro and the onboard synth engine is a bit more "charactered", but it also has unlimited tracks and track lengths (up to memory limits) and is a fantastic sequencer/song arranger. I have had it for almost 5 years and love it, have performed live countless times with I am wondering about getting the Move or the Polyend Play to compliment it as multitmbral sound sources + after touch pad controller.
So precise and so useful video as usual. A great thanks for that.
Concerning the cloud and Notes, the crippling problem is that Ableton Notes is an app that only exists under iOS. This excludes many (too many) users (70% of the smartphone market in 2024). Even if the reasons for this choice are admissible (latency problem in particular) For me, it remains a very negative point on the Ableton side. But that's not a reason to abandon Move, which is really very interesting in my opinion for creativity.
Thanks - my pleasure! I don't think it's latency, I'd guess it's just the effort of supporting another platform, because Note runs well on my 8 year old iPad. Speaking of which that might be a good solution if you have an old iPad around the house or want to buy/borrow a used one.
@@loopop Tkx for the tip. I might have an old one somewhere in the cellar ... let's dig
01:29 nice one Ziv 😂😂
(thanks for the vid 👍🏼)
Had me rolling too
Its here!!! Great job as always
Been waiting for this! Thank you!
This thing is great. I just wish it had a tiny bit more tracks, and the ability to do full sound design with all synth parameters available. With the parameter bank mechanism already there, it shouldn't be too hard for Ableton to add the missing parameters. So I have hope.
love this guys videos ...no diddy
Curious Loopop: What are your go-to devices when you jam out without the camera's on? What have you been enjoying lately?
I try to enjoy playing what I have on my desk for review, because I rarely have time to explore much else. I try to find time but keep getting tempted with something new that comes along...
@@loopop I can only imagine... thanks! any faves from recent times?
Aaah, there it is. ☺️
I was waiting for this!! 🎉 thanks!!!
Dear @loopop, when review of Polyend Synth?
It's not likely I'll make one, there's quite a bit of content out about it at this point
I have the move and love it but it needs multi samples so it can make more realistic sound. I wish it could have at least one instance of the Ableton sampler. Also if it had maybe one audio track with clips and warping
Thanks so much!
Been waiting for his, thanks Loopop!
Since it is a "sketchpad" I don't think they'd make adding sidechain compression a priority, but that feels like the only thing missing for me here.
I'm sure we will see it not too far down the update line. Same with slicing for me.
The government comparison never gets old 😅
Would be cool if you could configure the drum pitch mode to other controllers - ie overlay different parameters, such as start time - therefore chopping a break all on the one drum track for example.
🙋♂️❓OT: Any recommendations for similarly portable arranger that *also* has a good workflow for vocal based production / linear audio recording? Looking for something that’s part groove box and part 4 track + recorder. The goal would be to come up with a groove and add free flowing vocals over the top. I’d ultimately then transfer the ideas to a DAW to finish. Thank you for any suggestions. Cheers.
Thank you.
AT LAST! THANKS! been waiting as well! had mine for for almost a month andI refused to dive deep into it until you posted this vid...lol...keep up the great work!
at 5:33 I thought you were going to play this: The Rolling Stones - Paint It Black :) :) , Is it just me ? great video as always
ha yes but I quit half way to avoid a copyright claim...
@@loopop ahahaahaha
bout time
too late, I already bought it! Its great
well I mean the whole point of the tips section is for people who have it
@loopop true, I forgot this wasnt just a regular review. I really appreciate your videos. Thank you!
It's pretty rare to satisfy a bunch of synth nerds, but this review drop has a certain sense of "aaaaahhhhh, finally..."
Fahreel, @loopop, been waiting on this one for weeks. Thank you.
Looks very nice.
Great review.
❤ ✌️ ☮️
Is there a way how to instant mute playing pad? For example 1minute long sample that I wanna mute instantly. thank u
set up another empty pad in a choke group
@@loopop thank you, smart step ;)
is the melodic sampler (or 16 pitches in drum rack) a warping effect or just a speeding up or slowing down of the sample? if the latter is the case, you can make your samples longer or shorter via resampling, no? my move will arrive tomorrow, so i will find out soon anyway :)
The latter and I don't think so but let me know!
@ i just received the machine and i tried it out. like you said, it is old school repitching by in- or decreasing sample playback. no warping on this machine. you can load a drum loop for example in the melodic sequencer and adjust the sample speed by ear to your set bpm with transpose (in halfsteps or cents with the shift button) until it matches. then, place a midi note in the sequencer, make it long enough to play the whole thing. then, resample that, and you got your sample in the bpm you wish. this is quite tedious to get just right, but it can be done. obviously it is not warped, so the pitch might not be what you want, but in the old school way, it is available. that is the function, i was looking for, but is that what you meant?
i was also pleasantly surprised about the speaker quality. for such a small thing, they are really decent and even have some bass. absolutely love it so far.
@19:31 this right here is what really puts me off the move. having presets with totally different controls and no way to fully tweak the synth. Also I've browsed the whole of youtube and nobody seems interested to show how move works as an ableton controller (and specially ableton); I don't get it.
it’s described so well in the manual I didn’t think I could add anything material to it
@@loopop no worries; I didn't mean to point out this video specifically. I was curious about the plugin control and the possibility to control several banks of parameters for a given plug-in; my first impression is you can't; but I'm not sure (the move seems like an excellent controller besides that). I know there won't be a controller only version but that would be neat still
Totally agree! I'm looking for a good review about the "controller mode"
I can't find it..
I don't understand why..Even Ableton didnt make a video about this
@@TheJeffibox of all the oversights already, this is truly bizarre, and I say that even as a fan of the Move.
@@Antonio_Ortiz there's probably a market of people like me for whom the push is way too big for a controller but who would really benefit from a small form-factor dedicated controller like the move can be. The launch key mini mk4 is another interesting option; but it has a keyboard attached. still for now that's probably what I'm getting. Also with the release of the polyend synth with their split pad keyboard and nice performance features it feels like there's room for interesting alternatives to keyboards.
Man I would love the ability to live loop into drum pads..
Only 240p available?
how did you connect your Launchkey to Move, I just got the launch key and can't connect it to Move. I set the Midi In setting on in Move. Not sure if I should do something from the launchkey. Please help
@@gnai29 I used a regular USB A to USB C cable and it just works
@ thanks for the reply! Big fan here! I did a factory reset to my move and it worked! Looks like there was some bug somewhere. Thank youu
“…like government is constantly recording” 😂 hope they don’t implement “capture” LOL
When it will have 8 tracks and sidechain I'll buy it
I've watched a 100 videos on it, most didn't mention 90% of what I just learned not to mention explain it
Sorry if you mentioned this, but did you connect launchkey directly with the usb to Move? Meaning will it power launchkey
Yes it just works!
Now we MOVE on with proper Loopop guidance!! Love my Move ❤
No regular MIDI connection? 😮 Too bad. Nothing for my DAWless setup then.
A simple USB MIDI interface will solve that problem, but not the other limitations mentioned in my video
@ true, but it’s yet another device I‘d have to buy simply because Ableton wanted to improve on their profits.
They will Move my money into their account.
Loopop is my hero 🏅
Great video. Really love that you took it in this direction! Hope all well! Keep up the amazing work.
I smell an OP-XY video pending! Your channel wallpaper is (are) the drum pattern monkeys from Teenage Engineering, so it will happen. You're too trusted in the industry for them to have sent a XY to all the synth-kiddy channels but not you!
Indeed the TE monkeys started my descent into hardware madness, and the lack of undo and tape workflow made that quest never-ending :) Bummer they didn't send it but one way or another I'll get my hands on one...
@@loopop That's criminal - but they sent them to lesser reviewers. Looking forward to your breakdown!
The Move is almost like a great video game. Easy to learn, hard to master.
What's hard about it to master?
@@HammyHavoc Did you even watch the video? There are TONS of (non-obvious) workarounds and hidden features in this device to deal with its limitations that even this video cannot cover all.
@@Drrolfski-a workaround is not an intended workflow, that's all on the end-user making a decision to work in that way. It's a sketchpad. Use it for what it does well, use other things for what they do better.
It's akin to using a modern-day MPC's looper utility-it's frankly terrible-but, I don't think anybody is buying an MPC for looping live instruments, likewise if you want a synth, stacking pitch tracking pedals on top of a guitar signal is never going to give you the knob twiddling aspect of a real synth. Why use a hammer when there's a screwdriver? It is what it is.
I'm not expecting a ton of depth from a Move, just something fun to capture ideas with that'll sync with Live in a friction-less way. Ticks those boxes just fine for me. Now all I want is proper audio tracks for playing in instruments, and it's a decent alternative to a Portastudio or what the iZotope Spire was trying to be.
Perhaps we both approach the Move from completely different angles.
the shade releasing this the same day polyend announces the synth.
no shade just coincidence
They are not even competing products
Mine arrives Thursday! THANK YOU 🙏🏻
Hello fellow nerds🫡
.... please let this video show the workflow of using the Move as a controller for Ableton...
a bit, but not a lot, that's covered nicely in the manual
@@loopop …still watching your video (excellent as per 👍).. sure the Move is essentially standalone so everything on it is based on the standalone aspect… I will download the manual.
.. 60 sec play back on a sample when sample length is more is a bit odd.. sure there's a workaround but that defeats the purpose.
Had it, returned it. It’s an ok device, but for same money you can get a iPad running Note and a small cheap midi controller and have a waaaayyyy wayyyy wayyyy better solution.
Like better in every conceivable way.
Except you are tapping on a piece of glass…
Why not both?
🎵🎶🎵
You made me laugh so hard... LIKE THE GOVT! 😂😂😂
It’s nice and all but way too complex for a stand alone.
I would probably just use it as a midi controller for Ableton.
But for this purpose alone it seems to expensive.
Wake up babe
But I’m still sleepy…
Just! 5 minutes more!!
Wish they made a Ableton sampler version of this!
What on earth more do you need to be included for it to be considered to have sampling capabilities? It's literally the quickest chromatic sampler on the market.
This video convinced me to not buy a Move.
It could be much more interesting if it had, at least, 8 tracks and audio tracks, plus some form of project sharing with others daws, like DAWproject. Also, why everyone uses tiny screens? That is not easy on the eyes at all...
It could have so much potential...
(I wouldn't have any desire to use the workarounds available)
I wish it worked with your iPhone/iPad like 404 does with Koala.
It's almost like you just described a Push 3 standalone. haha Some people are just NEVER happy.
I must be getting old, I can't think of anything more frustrating to use. 😅
Some products just lend themselves to instant creation without the need to watch videos or use a manual.
Thank you for calling it the iPad app with pads lol
that's not what I said...
This video dropping on the same day as videos about a new synth from Polyend is purely coincidence.
synthspiracy theory
Please let this thing die in peace. All this time and effort Ableton put in could've and should've gone towards improving Push 3 IMHO.
On the contrary! I've been using this in the past few weeks way more than Push 3...
@loopop I can see that, but that's for TH-cam content. I'm glad you are having fun. To me seeing you wiggling your finger while playing the pads to simulate AT/MPE with that velocity workaround, made me chuckle and sad at the same time. Chuckle at how you bring out the best in these devices and sad at what this could've been.
also, it is not dying at all. it is sold out completely and ableton is ramping up production as they underestimated the demand. oh, the irony... all that bad rep probably made it blow up.
@@sebastianvega4576-it isn't sold out anymore-back in stock and ready to ship as of ~12h ago.
@@sebastianvega4576 if great initial sales were an indicator for a products future relevance then we would all still be talking about about gear we currently all have forced ourselves to forget.
“Like the government” 😂😂😂
👍👍👍
“move, like the government, is constantly recording everything you do”😂 classic, well done, sir
This is just such an unappealing device - it's like a hardware version of their app, but the app actually has a way better workflow than this. And its extensive limitations really keep it from being an actual standalone workstation even for playing live like a mini Push standalone. Who's it for, really?
The app doesn't have velocity-sensitive pads though. It also doesn't have line inputs. It isn't meant to replace the app either-hence you can sync sets between them.
Who's it for? Assumedly anybody who wants a sketchpad for Live. Keep in mind that Note isn't available on Android either.
Just because you can't work with a sketchpad doesn't mean others can't. It all ends up in the DAW anyway.
For me I Guess
No panning for the 4 tracks? Thanks for the video.
It's got a mono speaker, so probably not a huge priority just for the line outs.
YES! I've been waiting for this 🧑💻🧪🌌🔮