Using SLX shifter with XT derailleur and SLX 12 speed sprocket I was well impressed when I figured out I could pull the shifter and it shifted upwards. May upgrade to an XT shifter one day, but after watching this video it's not really high on my list of upgrades.
Appreciate the video. Just bought a new bike with a Deore shifter but didn’t see a manual included for it with the bike. Appreciate the video showing it’s features and how the different shifters differ.
Hey LoveMTB, nice detailed tech content as always. I have a bike with the 12sp XT shifter and one with a 12sp SLX shifter, and call me crazy but I like the softer SLX shifting. The only thing I sometimes miss a tiny but if multirelease, but it's a tiny feature that is easy to look past compared to the (for me) nicer feel of the SLX shifting. The XT just seems to require a bit more force because it shifts right away before the release. I'm very happy with SLX crankset, Deore/SLX derailleur and SLX cassette. I feel no difference between SLX derailleur and Deore, but big difference from SLX to XT shifter (although a negative one for me, going more expensive).
@@LoveMTB the XT shifter is the most remarkably different component in the grouppo compared to SLX or Deore. The SLX components are so similar in price to XT, I would rather just have XT if spending that amount of money. The Deore derailleur and cassette actually look really good and perform great from what I hear. Plus the Deore cassette is all steel and should last much longer.
@@LoveMTB as far as cassettes go, yeah, it’s less than $10 difference between cs-m6100 & cs-m7100. $20 different between rd-m6100 and m7100. You’re right. Pretty close. I guess I was thinking the price difference was in brakes? I often go with a $/g decision, but not with cassettes. I often singlespeed, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. I like durability and don’t really find super wide range to be that helpful if the frame I am riding can only take a 32t chainring. I often ride up steep climbs in 32x19-21. 32x51 isn’t going to be super helpful unless I’ve been riding all day and am bonking hard. That said, it’s gotta be nice to pedal more slowly than I could walk. :) Thanks for all the great videos. I almost always watch them.
I always try to bring spare parts for my big stage races and mtb vacations. I think I'll pick up a full Deore group as a back up for any emergencies. Cheap insurance to salvage an expensive race or vacation when things go sideways.
@@coolmuthapea solid advice. I remember testing the RSD Sergeant with 11spd SLX shifter and it was definitely lighter/easier/better shifting than my XT 11 speed shifter. Maybe you’re on your something.
Im running xt and slx 12 speed shifters. The xt has some great features, however I find the slx much easier-lighter to shift, resulting in much faster shifting up and down the range. I can go up gears faster than the xt, which feels stiff in comparison. I can barely reach the 4th click on the down shift of the xt, so that wipes that bonus out. My choice now would be slx shifter, xt derailleur its better than the slx, deore cassette! I prefer to have all steel cogs, I go through alloy cogs way too quick, I also change chains every 250- 300 miles so thats not to blame. I currently use sunrace 11-51t all steel cog cassette, it's wearing well and even throughout the set. Kmc x12 chains 👌
I would normally go XT also because the price difference was only 13€. But after reading quite a lot of reviews like yours I went with SLX. I am upgrading from a 15 year old 9spd Deore shifter which is bombproof and still shifts like new btw, so I am allready a fan of Deore quality.
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Hi again, I followed your setup and I now run full SLX but with an XT shifter. The difference I find with this shifter is that it feels more rigid than the deore on my other bike. The deore is super smooth for both actuations but the XT needs some effort to work it especially on the upshifts
I’ve used all three 11s shifters before, and I didn’t like the XT. It was far too stiff, making my thumb hurt after just a short ride. The SLX is the best “soft and mushy” shifter. The XTR is awesome: same crisp instant release of the XT, but with the easy lever force of the SLX. TLDR: If you can’t afford the XTR shifter, go with SLX instead.
I didn't like the XT as well. It was super stiff, but, I haven't tried XTR yet. So you are saying that XTR works the same as SLX in terms of feel but provides the XT features with quick release. Right?
@@TheBIKEDEALZ Yea, XTR has the fancy features of XT while retaining the light lever force of SLX. There’s an incredible difference in feel between the 3 shifters.
My 11 speed Hardtail is using a XT shifter for the rear and SLX for the front. Switched from riding my other X9 9 speed bike , and the XT shifting is a dream. good review, love seeing all the differences, helps make an informed buying decision.
My bike came w/SLX and so I was thinking of upgrading to XT or XTR for features/build quality but after watching this, I'm not sure that I need to. The instant release feature is mildly intriguing but not enough to make me want to switch. Happy enough w/SLX. Maybe when it wears out or I crash and break it, will probably go XT. Nice video. Thanks.
@@LoveMTB but sram moves the cable while you pushing, not when releasing.. atleast NX does but yes it's soft and easy to push.. (I'm getting another bike for work tomorrow which has only 9s and trying to find out what I should buy because I need more of the easier (low) gears ..)
Great video man. I’m new to this scene and have been slowly building and upgrading my mtb. I’ve been so confused about Shimano shifters, there’s SO many! You answered all of my questions !!
II just installed a SLX shifter on my shopping bike. It's about as light shifting as older Deore were, but connected to the RD, it's still not optimal for my thumb, I did test shifts, my thumb still misaligns with shift shifter, so far no crazy pain initially, but I did feel discomfort, after a while it start to hurt a bit, now my thumb feels weird. But better than the XT for me I guess. But I don't think I should have it on my enduro bike. I think it might be fine on the shopping bike as I won't shift as much. I suspect my thumb might hurt on a 4 or 5 h ride. Ergonomics: It's still not optimal same issues as I had before if I up-shift using my thumb, I will rub the grip, barely enough room, thumb joint hits the down shift lever. But down shifting, seems to be improved, the lever feels grippy, seems to have a better shape. Not sure if it has less travel than older shifters. Using index finger to down-shift works well, that's what I will be using as it won't fatigue my thumb.
Great video! Don't think you left anything out. In my case my bike came with a Deore shifter, SLX derailleur and Sunrace cassette. The derailleur broke in half so I bought a deore, and I'm now thinking on changing the shifter to an XT; the Deore cassette will have to wait for when the Sunrace wears out 😅
Im still rocking my 11 speed xt shifter and RD, with 11speed KMC chain, sunrace 11-46t cogs, and an slx 34t crankset. I dont get the people who doesnt like the xt shifter...i think it feels fantastic! It gives you that firm yet satisfactory feel when you shift. When it comes to the 4 shift rapid fire feature, I dont use it...3 is more than enough. And the 2 rapid upshift (from low to hi) is really helpful.
@@LoveMTB for me, i wont be upgrading to 12 speed anytime soon. 11 is perfectly fine, and in some steep climbs that 11speed is not enough, walking would be my 12th speed. Lol!
...................................................................Hey thanks! What I'm really searching for though, is comparison of the thumb force needed to down shift. You describe Deore and SLX as "soft" and XT as "crisp". This is close to the information I seek, but still not quite there. I have a weak thumb and am wondering if any of the units operate with a noticeably lighter (or harder) push from the thumb. If the answer is "yes" please tell me which is which. If the answer is "no" please tell me if perhaps the "crisp" click of the XT might also happen to have a shorter throw, or if the SLX may have a shorter throw. Even if the force needed is the same a shorter thumb movement would be preferable.
Did you ever use Shimano’s dual control shifter/brake levers for MTB? Curious what your thoughts are? I remember it didn’t last long on the market. But the innovation sure was interesting.
@@LoveMTBoh I didn’t know they’re entry level. Shimano made them for XT and XTR. Reviews say they sucked b/c it was difficult to brake and shift at the same time since it was one lever for all.
Way to go dude! Me to, almost 16 years now. But I made the plunge this week to the 1×11 range with a Deore RD and SLX shifter, just to treat myself for all those loyal years;).
@@achiltsompanos447 Thanks man. I thought the same, but I have to admit that 11 speed is a big upgrade from 3×9 speed (shift- and cadence wise). Choose the right Chainring up front for your personal ratios and it wont be a problem on roadies. Is it necessary, absolutely not! But 70 bucks for RD and Shifter was in my opinion worth the risk to try it out myself and to find out what the hype was all about. Wish you the best!
I'm trying to decide which shifter to get, XT is obviously the best value, crisp shifting feel at a good price, but I'm reading more and more instances of the shifter breaking, so, is there any perceivable difference between Deore and SLX? It'll be 2 months till I order, so many there will be a fix for the spring in the meantime. I never downshift more than 3 gears at a time, but I love the instant release and often use multi release.
Deore: derailleur, cassette XT: crank, chainring, shifter XTR: chain Works well, and with the cheaper consumables (derailleur and cassette) I'm not forking out hundreds upon hundreds of pounds when I spear them in to an obstacle!
In conclusion I'm not a fan of any of them due to me wanting super light action with i dgabt release. With my thumb issue I can't put any real pressure on it as it misalignd, lock sup and is very painful, but with almsot zero effort it would be pain-free. But I'm really used to shifts being instant. An upland to try TRP shifter? I see it is very different ergonomically, and design wise too.
@@LoveMTB Seems. AXS is mostly out of stock in Norway, sa wit in one shop, I will see if I can get it. I think AXS might be for me as I got garbaruk 11 speed cassette. Will just have to dela with having a non existing gear.
i just purchase a deore shifter, in the box was a little bag with one terminal, some plastic caps, a little very thin piece of plastic (i think it's for the cable don't rub the lateral of the derailleur) and one like a foam, a little longer than the caps, do you know what's for??
Thanks for the great review your content is awesome! I have 12 speed sram xo1 eagle. i have always liked shimano shifters better than sram. My question is can I run a (12-speed) xt or slx shifter with my xo1 drivetrain?
Muy buen video, falto tocar en la palanca deore hay una opción con display, actualmente tengo xt de 12s pero tener que agachar la cabeza en ocasiones para verificar en que marcha voy me esta haciendo preferir la palanca deore con display
I have bothe sram gx and shimano xt and like both but really like xt up and down shift so yes xt has the upper hand in my opinion but slx is good for a positive second!
I just watched one of your older vids where you showed using a 12-speed XT shifter with a 11-speed drivetrain and there was a screw that you turned to switch the shifter from 12-speed to 11-speed. Does the new XT shifter come with that feature?
1:18 That's a no-go for me. Fine for a shopping bike. But offroad crashing in mud, that's a no go. 3:08 seems like too firm for me. I wannyloght action, instant release, great ergonomics. Not sure about the ergonomics. How much has the ergonomics changed? On m8000, M9000 the ergonomics were awful. I hit and rubbed my thumb on the grip clamp, and throw was too long on the fownshift, no matter how I angled it, one trigger had compromised position, if the fownshift was better the up shift was worse, and vise versa. I've not figured out if this will be the case.
@@LoveMTB That's not quite what I mean, but yes that's part of the issue. But I suspect most shifters won't fit me. I tried Sram years ago in a shop, I did not like it. I guess if down shift lever could be positioned down and I would tilt the shifter more yes. But still the upshift is too close to the grip I will rub my thumb. But I've not tried Sram on my bike. But did not look promising in the shop. The closest thing looking ergonomically good for me seems to be Sram AXS remote. As ergonomically it seems to be similar to D1x trail, the position and mechanism seems to be similar enough to fit me I think, But I've not tried it.
You didn't cover the cables that come out of the boxes for all these shifters. This is important to note. I just installed m7100 SLX on my son's S3 Specialized Status (size medium) and the cable was not long enough to even come out of the other end of the housing!! I measured the provided Shimano cable at approx. 78 inches (round up to 2000mm so it's likely 2100mm taut). I had to use a Jagwire cable 2300mm. Why does Shimano give this short of a cable with the SLX shifter? SRAM X01 comes with 2200mm. SHIMANO MTB OPTISLIK SHIFT CABLE SET comes with 3300mm housing and 2100mm and 1800mm cables. Unbelievable. Also Shimano does not make carbon cranks? So bad.
I built a road bike with Ultegra 11sp drivetrain but I needed a flat handlebar. The ONLY shifters that worked with that drivetrain was the 'SL-RS700' RapidFire
Thanks for the detailed comparison. Question though. Would you be able to use an 11 speed M5100 shifter with any of the 12 speed shimano derailleur with the 11 - 51 m5100 cassette?
Hey thanks for the video! I just bought XT shifter, and mechanic set it up, everything is new. However, XT seems *much* harder to press than Deore. Is this normal? I know its a bit harder and clickier, but I am worried this is too much, really need to apply force to it in comparison to Deore. Thanks!
@@LoveMTB Thanks! I'll get used to it, the shifting feels faster and crispier, also I sort of love that the point where the shift happen is simply clearer, still I'd expect slightly less force needed to press but it's still an upgrade. Thank you for the comment again!
I just got a bike with an XT drivetrain. The shifter is M 8100 but with bar clamp. My brakes are XT 8100 i-Spec EV. It looks like the only option I have if I want to go i-Spec EV on the shifter is the XTR cover? It would be nice if there was an XT cover...
LoveMTB Ah, I did check the link, but the bar clamp cover is the first one that popped up. I found the I-Spec version by using the drop down for other options, so that’s 🤦🏻♂️ Worldwide is showing out of stock right now, but now I have the part number. I’ll pick it up from them if possible though, thanks!
My xt 12 sp shifter recently broke like your xtr one. Autopsy shows broken small return spring for a cam that actuates the wheel that pulls the cable. Also worth mentioning that ingress protection is horrible, i take a lot of care of my bikes but found tons of sand inside this shifter. I had a spare slx 12 shifter and i can also confirm it is way smoother to press the levers but i will be putting a gx shifter since i like the feel more(double upshift is nice but i don't use it all that much to make it a deal brraker for me). I am a bit dissapointed since i expected more durability from parts marked xt or xtr....
@@LoveMTB started off with full sram gx setup until i noticed gx rd had very weak clutch...it was working fine but making a lot of noise. Now i currently have gx cassette, xx1 chain, xt rd and slx shifter(soon to be a gx one for personal prefference reasons)
Just wanted to give a small update in regards to hybdrid system: long term i think it's a no go- started getting bad shifting in the middle of the cassette. Things i tried: new ot sp41 housing and cables, new gx shifter(to rule this one out), new jockey wheels, frame hanger tripple checked(it is perfectly straight), new clutch assembly and adjusted as per shimano manual. Sram shifter improves the shifting only abismally, the fix which got it working decently are 14T jockey wheels instead of 13T and lower than recommended b gap(check for collision of cage with 50t when shifting from 10 gear to 11 gear). I will be buying an gx eagle derailleur as soon as it's back in stock since i find annoying this imprecise shifting on my trail bike. Forgot to mention: i have gx casette with aprox 3000km on it and a x01 chain with aprox 500 on it.
@@LoveMTB yes, checked with a proper der hanger tool, not by eye or any other thing. I also do checks and adjustments on new hangers/frames...even though the hanger is new it may not sit exactly square on the frame or the hub may have just a tiny bit of misalignment on the axle/frame interface. 12 sp i would say is indeed sensitive to hanger alignment and b-gap/chain length. Upon further research into using sram casette and shimano der i noticed that shimano ders are not engineering marvels themselves, shimano 12 sp shifting relies heavily on cassete ramps/teeth profiles and the chain chamfers. Upon my investigation more engineering effort went into for example a gx der but due to pattents they couldn't make the clutch serviceable/adjustable. Make no mistake a roller bearing type 3 clutch is superior in regards to smoothness than shimanos one way bearing encased in a metal band...only downfalls are it's not serviceable and not adjustable(a shame becase when new it has decent friction but after the first lets say 700-1000km it gets weak...somewhere along the lines of 3-3,5Nm, a cage that big with jockeys that big should have 4-5Nm to be efficient by my estimates).
And i know i posted my findings into an unrelated video but maybre it still helps someone out. My final solution to running sram casettes with shimano rd is: 1.use 14T jockeys, at least the upper one in order to decrease b gap a little 2.adjust b gap so that the shimano mark on thr cage aligns with the wells of the teeth of 50t and not the tips(be sure to check in a stand that you have no collision between inner rd cage and 50t when shifting from gear 10-11, if so increase b gap by small amount until no collision)->e*thirteen has a manual that shows this for their trs 9-50t casettes. Side note: there is a small downfall that in gears 9-10-11-12(the big ones) you will not be able to multishift since derailleur will make collision with 50t, it doesnt have enough gap to self adjust its position when multi shifts are used-for me not a problem since i never needed to go from gear 9 to 12 in one go, single shifts are enough for me there. After doing this shifting is great.
On a budget I would choose a deore or slx drive train with a xt shifter 98% features by way less money
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That‘s what i did last week :)
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Shifts awesome! Only had a short ride so far, but feels great, specially upshifting is super quick. I came from (M8000) 11-speed XT and it was still a noticeable change
Get Xtr if can afford it. My last xtr groupset was fit and forget for 12+ years and was still mint when I sold it at a good price holding up well, can't beat that for value probably cost me £200 for 12 years used daily for entire xtr groupset (brakes,cranks etc) usage. Go XT if you tend to mash your bikes of course
@@LoveMTB the tolerances are much finer with xtr over xt (obviously another step down slx or deore) resulting in much slicker, quieter shifting. Less noise, less friction less wear. Yes xt is the 'workhorse' but XTR will outlast xt every time (bar damage) carbon and titanium has much lower wear than even the best steal alu's. Currently using xtr m9000,every bit as good as my old m9650 definitely better built than xt m80000.
@@LoveMTB Yes. But im curious about road/mtb comparison. And where is sora compared to deore/et etc. If it is even comparable. When in comes to derailleurs prob not. But maybe for shifters ? First thing coming to mind is, the road riding isnt that demanding like terrain. But it depends more on derailleur than shifter. I bought sora shifter for mtb derailleur, not arrived yet, and dont know to what group i can ~ compare it, alivio/deore/xt.
Xt shifter, rd and chainring. Slx m7120 brakes (its literally the same as the xt m8120 brakes without the free stroke adjuster which is useless in shimano and weigh 70grams more) is the way i like.
It would have been better to have an slx m7100 set it has great shifting and better cranks to😁 i only have the alivio m4000 and rd acera 😅 but anywho still get to enjoy a smooth ride 😁
xtr I’m using it on my bike, had alivio, xt and then xtr. Lever action is just so light on my 11spd setup. Not tried 12 yet. Think next time I’ll spend on lever then drop to xt rear mech
It’s possible to use a Sram Nx shifter with an SLX derailleur? Obviously in 12s system, I already have an slx cassette working with an NX derailleur and shifter but the common failure in the nx it’s starting to fail down shifting the chain, so because of the price I bought an slx, but I also like the touch of the nx shifter (because of the instant release I suppose), is this a possible combination?
does 12 speed Shimano shifter m8100 would work with 11 speed system: slx cassette 11x46, XT RD M8000, 11 s slx chain? thank you in advance! PS your content is amazing. keep on going
@@LoveMTB thanks. what is that hack? :) Have bought bike frame (Orbea Oiz). Will start new project. Have all parts for 11 speed including 11 speed XTR shifter, but it is I spec II. Just do not have the brakes yet. Probably it will be Deore M6100, which is I spec EV. Thus looking for new shifter (bar clamp type this time), thought it might be 12 speed taking in mind I could make this bike 12 speed one day. But anyways, if it is not working correctly then there is only one opinion - look for 11 speed shifter :)
Great comparison! I'm an Eagle guy, but if I were a Shimano drivetrain guy I'd go with XT shifter and RD. That rapid release alone looks so much snappier on the XT. BTW, I got my 501/520 brakes and they blow away my SLX 7000s in every regard, especially in the feel department. So much more linear after pad contact.... Hard to believe that Shimano barley even acknowledges their existence. So far, they are the best brakes I've owned from Shimano.
Hello. My new bike has the Shimano XT M8100, 12 speed shifter, but I miss the optical gear display. Could I put in SL-M6100-IR instead, since it has the OGD? If so, would I lose much quality? My cassette is Shimano SLX M7100, 10-45T, 12 speed and my derailleur is Shimano XT M8120. Thx so much!
@@LoveMTB Could I pls ask you another question. I might downgrade to a bike with suspension with the same motor and torque but with Alivio M3100, 9-speed Shifter, Alivio T4000, long cage rear derailleur, and HG200, 11-36, 9-speed cassette. My commute is bumpy (terrible city streets) and very hilly. Would this be a horrendous downgrade? Would I feel the difference in the steepest inclines?
Hi friend. Can I install the SLX 12s shifter to a derailleur 11s?. I need to install the 11s 5100 cassette but couldn't find a shifter 11s in my country due to Covid. :(
maybe it's just me but m6100 is really hard to tune after 3 clicks it wont jump up in the fourth cassette but it will have some hesitation first, but if i increased the line tensioner then I will have a problem in big cassettes...
@@LoveMTB I'm thinking because e bike drivetrains get worn out quicker, I can get a deore 10 speed deraileur, a shifter and 2 casettes. All for the price of one 12 speed casette Do you think its a bad idea?
I bought 2021 giant Talon 1 and I'm looking to upgrade parts I want all XT parts like the XT M8100 Hydraulic Disc Brake and I like to get a XT shift Lever that it can be integrated together but all I found are 11 speed and my bike is a 10 speed could I use the 11 speed shift ? Thank you
Yes everything is 11 speed. I love shimano shifter ergonomic and release of gear by pulling or pushing the trigger. And longer lever to upshift than sram. You should try it.
I've been underwhelmed by SRAM NX and considering going SLX mech and XT shifter. Not unusual to damage a mech where I ride so I'd sooner damage an SLX than an XT
My xt 12 speed shifter broke yesterday after 18 months, a return spring broke on the down shift paddle. At the moment looks like there is only slx available, so only now i want to know the difference haha
@@LoveMTB update: so my XT shifter was covered under warranty and they sent me an XTR shifter as the replacement which is pretty cool since xtr is double the price of xt, probably because they dont have any XT ones left. i was using an SLX shifter for a month while i was waiting. I haven’t felt much difference shifting with the instant release because i click and release it anyways, with the easy gear shifting im scared changing 4 gears at once in case i break the chain which i have done before braking a xtr chain :(
@@LoveMTB Have you heard of this issue again? I'm thinking of upgrading my SLX shifter but recently discovered that it seems to be a recurring problem with XT and XTR
Adding an XT shifter to a deore drivetrain is fire. The quad downshift feature is insane.
Dude, I LOVE your deep dives into Shimano groupsets. Thanks!
Using SLX shifter with XT derailleur and SLX 12 speed sprocket
I was well impressed when I figured out I could pull the shifter and it shifted upwards.
May upgrade to an XT shifter one day, but after watching this video it's not really high on my list of upgrades.
Appreciate the video. Just bought a new bike with a Deore shifter but didn’t see a manual included for it with the bike. Appreciate the video showing it’s features and how the different shifters differ.
The instant action of the XT makes the difference.
Hey LoveMTB, nice detailed tech content as always. I have a bike with the 12sp XT shifter and one with a 12sp SLX shifter, and call me crazy but I like the softer SLX shifting. The only thing I sometimes miss a tiny but if multirelease, but it's a tiny feature that is easy to look past compared to the (for me) nicer feel of the SLX shifting. The XT just seems to require a bit more force because it shifts right away before the release. I'm very happy with SLX crankset, Deore/SLX derailleur and SLX cassette. I feel no difference between SLX derailleur and Deore, but big difference from SLX to XT shifter (although a negative one for me, going more expensive).
I’ll take XT shifter, Deore everything else.
@@LoveMTB SLX crankset with aftermarket chainring makes a lot of sense as well, much better weight and only fractionally more expensive
@@LoveMTB the XT shifter is the most remarkably different component in the grouppo compared to SLX or Deore. The SLX components are so similar in price to XT, I would rather just have XT if spending that amount of money. The Deore derailleur and cassette actually look really good and perform great from what I hear. Plus the Deore cassette is all steel and should last much longer.
@@LoveMTB as far as cassettes go, yeah, it’s less than $10 difference between cs-m6100 & cs-m7100. $20 different between rd-m6100 and m7100. You’re right. Pretty close. I guess I was thinking the price difference was in brakes? I often go with a $/g decision, but not with cassettes. I often singlespeed, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. I like durability and don’t really find super wide range to be that helpful if the frame I am riding can only take a 32t chainring. I often ride up steep climbs in 32x19-21. 32x51 isn’t going to be super helpful unless I’ve been riding all day and am bonking hard. That said, it’s gotta be nice to pedal more slowly than I could walk. :) Thanks for all the great videos. I almost always watch them.
I always try to bring spare parts for my big stage races and mtb vacations. I think I'll pick up a full Deore group as a back up for any emergencies. Cheap insurance to salvage an expensive race or vacation when things go sideways.
@@coolmuthapea solid advice. I remember testing the RSD Sergeant with 11spd SLX shifter and it was definitely lighter/easier/better shifting than my XT 11 speed shifter. Maybe you’re on your something.
Im running xt and slx 12 speed shifters. The xt has some great features, however I find the slx much easier-lighter to shift, resulting in much faster shifting up and down the range. I can go up gears faster than the xt, which feels stiff in comparison. I can barely reach the 4th click on the down shift of the xt, so that wipes that bonus out.
My choice now would be slx shifter, xt derailleur its better than the slx, deore cassette! I prefer to have all steel cogs, I go through alloy cogs way too quick, I also change chains every 250- 300 miles so thats not to blame. I currently use sunrace 11-51t all steel cog cassette, it's wearing well and even throughout the set. Kmc x12 chains 👌
I would normally go XT also because the price difference was only 13€. But after reading quite a lot of reviews like yours I went with SLX. I am upgrading from a 15 year old 9spd Deore shifter which is bombproof and still shifts like new btw, so I am allready a fan of Deore quality.
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Thank you so much for these videos! Really helps when trying to configure a new cockpit
Hi again, I followed your setup and I now run full SLX but with an XT shifter. The difference I find with this shifter is that it feels more rigid than the deore on my other bike. The deore is super smooth for both actuations but the XT needs some effort to work it especially on the upshifts
I swapped my SLX shifter for and XT and I noticed that it requires more effort to upshift on the XT as well
I’ve used all three 11s shifters before, and I didn’t like the XT. It was far too stiff, making my thumb hurt after just a short ride. The SLX is the best “soft and mushy” shifter. The XTR is awesome: same crisp instant release of the XT, but with the easy lever force of the SLX.
TLDR: If you can’t afford the XTR shifter, go with SLX instead.
I didn't like the XT as well. It was super stiff, but, I haven't tried XTR yet. So you are saying that XTR works the same as SLX in terms of feel but provides the XT features with quick release. Right?
10 speed the same way.
@@TheBIKEDEALZ Yea, XTR has the fancy features of XT while retaining the light lever force of SLX. There’s an incredible difference in feel between the 3 shifters.
My 11 speed Hardtail is using a XT shifter for the rear and SLX for the front. Switched from riding my other X9 9 speed bike , and the XT shifting is a dream. good review, love seeing all the differences, helps make an informed buying decision.
My bike came w/SLX and so I was thinking of upgrading to XT or XTR for features/build quality but after watching this, I'm not sure that I need to. The instant release feature is mildly intriguing but not enough to make me want to switch. Happy enough w/SLX. Maybe when it wears out or I crash and break it, will probably go XT. Nice video. Thanks.
@@LoveMTB but sram moves the cable while you pushing, not when releasing.. atleast NX does but yes it's soft and easy to push.. (I'm getting another bike for work tomorrow which has only 9s and trying to find out what I should buy because I need more of the easier (low) gears ..)
Thinking the same
A crisper shifter would be ideal as I have the SLX, but I'd go the XTR if money was no issue.
Great video man.
I’m new to this scene and have been slowly building and upgrading my mtb.
I’ve been so confused about Shimano shifters, there’s SO many!
You answered all of my questions !!
II just installed a SLX shifter on my shopping bike. It's about as light shifting as older Deore were, but connected to the RD, it's still not optimal for my thumb, I did test shifts, my thumb still misaligns with shift shifter, so far no crazy pain initially, but I did feel discomfort, after a while it start to hurt a bit, now my thumb feels weird. But better than the XT for me I guess.
But I don't think I should have it on my enduro bike. I think it might be fine on the shopping bike as I won't shift as much. I suspect my thumb might hurt on a 4 or 5 h ride.
Ergonomics:
It's still not optimal same issues as I had before if I up-shift using my thumb, I will rub the grip, barely enough room, thumb joint hits the down shift lever.
But down shifting, seems to be improved, the lever feels grippy, seems to have a better shape.
Not sure if it has less travel than older shifters.
Using index finger to down-shift works well, that's what I will be using as it won't fatigue my thumb.
Glad it works for you 🥳
@@LoveMTB But not optimal, so I think electronic is still the best option for me.
@@mtbboy1993 From what you're telling me I would tend to agree.
The components are incredible. And the inspiration of those who named them, was in Nirvana.
Great video! Don't think you left anything out.
In my case my bike came with a Deore shifter, SLX derailleur and Sunrace cassette. The derailleur broke in half so I bought a deore, and I'm now thinking on changing the shifter to an XT; the Deore cassette will have to wait for when the Sunrace wears out 😅
Complete drivetrain for 2021: XT Shifter, X01 derailleur 10-52, GX cassette 10-52, XX1 gold chain. Thanks for the specs!
@@LoveMTB Shifter and cassette should be in stock at the distributor's warehouse in the next couples weeks
You sure you can run an XT shifter with an x01 derailleur, thought shimano and sram have different pull ratio's?
@@joshiboy31 To the best of my knowledge, same pull ratio since the 12 speed
@@FreerideQuebec isn't shimano using the same pull 10,11,12 has Sram changed then? Can confirm 100% index8?
Thank you for the Japanese subtitles.
Im still rocking my 11 speed xt shifter and RD, with 11speed KMC chain, sunrace 11-46t cogs, and an slx 34t crankset. I dont get the people who doesnt like the xt shifter...i think it feels fantastic! It gives you that firm yet satisfactory feel when you shift. When it comes to the 4 shift rapid fire feature, I dont use it...3 is more than enough. And the 2 rapid upshift (from low to hi) is really helpful.
@@LoveMTB for me, i wont be upgrading to 12 speed anytime soon. 11 is perfectly fine, and in some steep climbs that 11speed is not enough, walking would be my 12th speed. Lol!
Great review! I would like to ask - what is the difference between XTR and XT shifter? What does the extra $30 to go XTR get?
@@LoveMTB Lovely :-)
@@betterryan I think it is also the only shifter that has the 11/12speed actuating bolt i don’t think the XT has that
The difference is the *R*
...................................................................Hey thanks! What I'm really searching for though, is comparison of the thumb force needed to down shift. You describe Deore and SLX as "soft" and XT as "crisp". This is close to the information I seek, but still not quite there. I have a weak thumb and am wondering if any of the units operate with a noticeably lighter (or harder) push from the thumb. If the answer is "yes" please tell me which is which. If the answer is "no" please tell me if perhaps the "crisp" click of the XT might also happen to have a shorter throw, or if the SLX may have a shorter throw. Even if the force needed is the same a shorter thumb movement would be preferable.
Thank for this video I'm looking at updating to the 12 speed XT for my 2020 Stance e2
Did you ever use Shimano’s dual control shifter/brake levers for MTB? Curious what your thoughts are? I remember it didn’t last long on the market. But the innovation sure was interesting.
I used them in the past but they were more entry level?
@@LoveMTBoh I didn’t know they’re entry level. Shimano made them for XT and XTR. Reviews say they sucked b/c it was difficult to brake and shift at the same time since it was one lever for all.
I run a 3x9 Deore, 14yrs old, it shifts like a dream.
Way to go dude! Me to, almost 16 years now. But I made the plunge this week to the 1×11 range with a Deore RD and SLX shifter, just to treat myself for all those loyal years;).
@@rogerlahaye1948 Rad! Safe riding bud! Don’t see myself upgrading(?) since most of my riding is on roadies.
@@achiltsompanos447 Thanks man. I thought the same, but I have to admit that 11 speed is a big upgrade from 3×9 speed (shift- and cadence wise). Choose the right Chainring up front for your personal ratios and it wont be a problem on roadies. Is it necessary, absolutely not! But 70 bucks for RD and Shifter was in my opinion worth the risk to try it out myself and to find out what the hype was all about. Wish you the best!
i appreciate the hell out of these videos!
i run an xt drivetrain 1x12 with an xtr shifter
(updated from a deore 1x10)
i am totally happy about it 😃👍
Thanks, that was a really detailed comparison- nice!!!
Felicidades por tus vídeos; son de lo mejor que he visto en you tube. Yo XT.
I'm trying to decide which shifter to get, XT is obviously the best value, crisp shifting feel at a good price, but I'm reading more and more instances of the shifter breaking, so, is there any perceivable difference between Deore and SLX? It'll be 2 months till I order, so many there will be a fix for the spring in the meantime.
I never downshift more than 3 gears at a time, but I love the instant release and often use multi release.
Deore: derailleur, cassette
XT: crank, chainring, shifter
XTR: chain
Works well, and with the cheaper consumables (derailleur and cassette) I'm not forking out hundreds upon hundreds of pounds when I spear them in to an obstacle!
In conclusion I'm not a fan of any of them due to me wanting super light action with i dgabt release. With my thumb issue I can't put any real pressure on it as it misalignd, lock sup and is very painful, but with almsot zero effort it would be pain-free. But I'm really used to shifts being instant. An upland to try TRP shifter? I see it is very different ergonomically, and design wise too.
I would say electronic drivetrain is the option for you. The only one
@@LoveMTB Seems. AXS is mostly out of stock in Norway, sa wit in one shop, I will see if I can get it. I think AXS might be for me as I got garbaruk 11 speed cassette. Will just have to dela with having a non existing gear.
I'm actually tempted to try the new Microshift Advent X groupset. 10 speed but with a 48t big cog and lighter than XT.
I’d go 2X with that system.
Will any 11 speed shifter work with m5100 deore derailleur and 11/51 teeth cassette
Yes!
@@LoveMTB thank you so much
i just purchase a deore shifter, in the box was a little bag with one terminal, some plastic caps, a little very thin piece of plastic (i think it's for the cable don't rub the lateral of the derailleur) and one like a foam, a little longer than the caps, do you know what's for??
thank you for a brilliant video! Very clear and very useful !!!!! Now I can really make a choice.
Thanks for the great review your content is awesome! I have 12 speed sram xo1 eagle. i have always liked shimano shifters better than sram. My question is can I run a (12-speed) xt or slx shifter with my xo1 drivetrain?
Thank you very much!!@@LoveMTB
Muy buen video, falto tocar en la palanca deore hay una opción con display, actualmente tengo xt de 12s pero tener que agachar la cabeza en ocasiones para verificar en que marcha voy me esta haciendo preferir la palanca deore con display
Normalmente te acostumbras a "sentir" los engranajes...😉
I have bothe sram gx and shimano xt and like both but really like xt up and down shift so yes xt has the upper hand in my opinion but slx is good for a positive second!
I just watched one of your older vids where you showed using a 12-speed XT shifter with a 11-speed drivetrain and there was a screw that you turned to switch the shifter from 12-speed to 11-speed. Does the new XT shifter come with that feature?
Unfortunately no, Shimano eliminated it
1:18 That's a no-go for me. Fine for a shopping bike. But offroad crashing in mud, that's a no go.
3:08 seems like too firm for me. I wannyloght action, instant release, great ergonomics. Not sure about the ergonomics.
How much has the ergonomics changed? On m8000, M9000 the ergonomics were awful. I hit and rubbed my thumb on the grip clamp, and throw was too long on the fownshift, no matter how I angled it, one trigger had compromised position, if the fownshift was better the up shift was worse, and vise versa. I've not figured out if this will be the case.
SRAM expensive X01 and XX1 allow you to change the position of the lever for downshifts/ easier gears
@@LoveMTB That's not quite what I mean, but yes that's part of the issue. But I suspect most shifters won't fit me. I tried Sram years ago in a shop, I did not like it. I guess if down shift lever could be positioned down and I would tilt the shifter more yes. But still the upshift is too close to the grip I will rub my thumb.
But I've not tried Sram on my bike. But did not look promising in the shop.
The closest thing looking ergonomically good for me seems to be Sram AXS remote.
As ergonomically it seems to be similar to D1x trail, the position and mechanism seems to be similar enough to fit me I think, But I've not tried it.
Love the feel of the xtr
But you pay to play :)
@@LoveMTB soo true but soooo good
Mine broken today 😢 downshift lever stuck 😔
Thanks! By the way, is the XTR 9100 the only one that has 11/12 speed switch? Or can some of the other shifters be configured to use 11 sp?
Do you happen to know the part number for the slx I-spec conversion piece? My LBS is having a hard time finding it
Great video regardless!
It could be downshift lever adjustable (position)?
That's a SRAM feature not Shimano
TRP has it too. But nobody has made a proper video on it.
just a dumb question can i use xt l shifter to a grx/road shimano front derailleur?
Bot really as the pull ratio is different.
You didn't cover the cables that come out of the boxes for all these shifters. This is important to note. I just installed m7100 SLX on my son's S3 Specialized Status (size medium) and the cable was not long enough to even come out of the other end of the housing!! I measured the provided Shimano cable at approx. 78 inches (round up to 2000mm so it's likely 2100mm taut). I had to use a Jagwire cable 2300mm. Why does Shimano give this short of a cable with the SLX shifter? SRAM X01 comes with 2200mm. SHIMANO MTB OPTISLIK SHIFT CABLE SET comes with 3300mm housing and 2100mm and 1800mm cables. Unbelievable. Also Shimano does not make carbon cranks? So bad.
Great comparison good job
I built a road bike with Ultegra 11sp drivetrain but I needed a flat handlebar. The ONLY shifters that worked with that drivetrain was the 'SL-RS700' RapidFire
Is Deore shifter compatible on SLX rd?
100%
Thanks for the detailed comparison.
Question though. Would you be able to use an 11 speed M5100 shifter with any of the 12 speed shimano derailleur with the 11 - 51 m5100 cassette?
@@LoveMTB Looking forward to that video. Thanks!
Hey thanks for the video! I just bought XT shifter, and mechanic set it up, everything is new. However, XT seems *much* harder to press than Deore. Is this normal? I know its a bit harder and clickier, but I am worried this is too much, really need to apply force to it in comparison to Deore. Thanks!
@@LoveMTB Thanks! I'll get used to it, the shifting feels faster and crispier, also I sort of love that the point where the shift happen is simply clearer, still I'd expect slightly less force needed to press but it's still an upgrade. Thank you for the comment again!
I just got a bike with an XT drivetrain. The shifter is M 8100 but with bar clamp. My brakes are XT 8100 i-Spec EV. It looks like the only option I have if I want to go i-Spec EV on the shifter is the XTR cover? It would be nice if there was an XT cover...
LoveMTB Ah, I did check the link, but the bar clamp cover is the first one that popped up. I found the I-Spec version by using the drop down for other options, so that’s 🤦🏻♂️
Worldwide is showing out of stock right now, but now I have the part number. I’ll pick it up from them if possible though, thanks!
My xt 12 sp shifter recently broke like your xtr one. Autopsy shows broken small return spring for a cam that actuates the wheel that pulls the cable. Also worth mentioning that ingress protection is horrible, i take a lot of care of my bikes but found tons of sand inside this shifter. I had a spare slx 12 shifter and i can also confirm it is way smoother to press the levers but i will be putting a gx shifter since i like the feel more(double upshift is nice but i don't use it all that much to make it a deal brraker for me). I am a bit dissapointed since i expected more durability from parts marked xt or xtr....
@@LoveMTB started off with full sram gx setup until i noticed gx rd had very weak clutch...it was working fine but making a lot of noise. Now i currently have gx cassette, xx1 chain, xt rd and slx shifter(soon to be a gx one for personal prefference reasons)
Just wanted to give a small update in regards to hybdrid system: long term i think it's a no go- started getting bad shifting in the middle of the cassette. Things i tried: new ot sp41 housing and cables, new gx shifter(to rule this one out), new jockey wheels, frame hanger tripple checked(it is perfectly straight), new clutch assembly and adjusted as per shimano manual. Sram shifter improves the shifting only abismally, the fix which got it working decently are 14T jockey wheels instead of 13T and lower than recommended b gap(check for collision of cage with 50t when shifting from 10 gear to 11 gear). I will be buying an gx eagle derailleur as soon as it's back in stock since i find annoying this imprecise shifting on my trail bike. Forgot to mention: i have gx casette with aprox 3000km on it and a x01 chain with aprox 500 on it.
@@LoveMTB yes, checked with a proper der hanger tool, not by eye or any other thing. I also do checks and adjustments on new hangers/frames...even though the hanger is new it may not sit exactly square on the frame or the hub may have just a tiny bit of misalignment on the axle/frame interface. 12 sp i would say is indeed sensitive to hanger alignment and b-gap/chain length. Upon further research into using sram casette and shimano der i noticed that shimano ders are not engineering marvels themselves, shimano 12 sp shifting relies heavily on cassete ramps/teeth profiles and the chain chamfers. Upon my investigation more engineering effort went into for example a gx der but due to pattents they couldn't make the clutch serviceable/adjustable. Make no mistake a roller bearing type 3 clutch is superior in regards to smoothness than shimanos one way bearing encased in a metal band...only downfalls are it's not serviceable and not adjustable(a shame becase when new it has decent friction but after the first lets say 700-1000km it gets weak...somewhere along the lines of 3-3,5Nm, a cage that big with jockeys that big should have 4-5Nm to be efficient by my estimates).
And i know i posted my findings into an unrelated video but maybre it still helps someone out. My final solution to running sram casettes with shimano rd is: 1.use 14T jockeys, at least the upper one in order to decrease b gap a little 2.adjust b gap so that the shimano mark on thr cage aligns with the wells of the teeth of 50t and not the tips(be sure to check in a stand that you have no collision between inner rd cage and 50t when shifting from gear 10-11, if so increase b gap by small amount until no collision)->e*thirteen has a manual that shows this for their trs 9-50t casettes. Side note: there is a small downfall that in gears 9-10-11-12(the big ones) you will not be able to multishift since derailleur will make collision with 50t, it doesnt have enough gap to self adjust its position when multi shifts are used-for me not a problem since i never needed to go from gear 9 to 12 in one go, single shifts are enough for me there. After doing this shifting is great.
On a budget I would choose a deore or slx drive train with a xt shifter 98% features by way less money
That‘s what i did last week :)
Shifts awesome! Only had a short ride so far, but feels great, specially upshifting is super quick. I came from (M8000) 11-speed XT and it was still a noticeable change
Get Xtr if can afford it. My last xtr groupset was fit and forget for 12+ years and was still mint when I sold it at a good price holding up well, can't beat that for value probably cost me £200 for 12 years used daily for entire xtr groupset (brakes,cranks etc) usage. Go XT if you tend to mash your bikes of course
@@LoveMTB the tolerances are much finer with xtr over xt (obviously another step down slx or deore) resulting in much slicker, quieter shifting. Less noise, less friction less wear. Yes xt is the 'workhorse' but XTR will outlast xt every time (bar damage) carbon and titanium has much lower wear than even the best steal alu's. Currently using xtr m9000,every bit as good as my old m9650 definitely better built than xt m80000.
@@LoveMTB I have heard some recent xtr (and xt) brakes have had issues to be fair, shame cos that hits the confidence in xtr
Running XT shifter, SLX RD, with Sram PG-1230 on the cassette, so I don't need to change my HG hub to have 12s setup :)
How is sora compared to those ?
Im thinkng about mixing sora shifter with deore RD
@@LoveMTB Yes. But im curious about road/mtb comparison. And where is sora compared to deore/et etc. If it is even comparable. When in comes to derailleurs prob not. But maybe for shifters ? First thing coming to mind is, the road riding isnt that demanding like terrain. But it depends more on derailleur than shifter.
I bought sora shifter for mtb derailleur, not arrived yet, and dont know to what group i can ~ compare it, alivio/deore/xt.
Xt shifter, rd and chainring. Slx m7120 brakes (its literally the same as the xt m8120 brakes without the free stroke adjuster which is useless in shimano and weigh 70grams more) is the way i like.
It would have been better to have an slx m7100 set it has great shifting and better cranks to😁 i only have the alivio m4000 and rd acera 😅 but anywho still get to enjoy a smooth ride 😁
xtr I’m using it on my bike, had alivio, xt and then xtr. Lever action is just so light on my 11spd setup. Not tried 12 yet. Think next time I’ll spend on lever then drop to xt rear mech
Thanks for such useful information!
It’s possible to use a Sram Nx shifter with an SLX derailleur? Obviously in 12s system, I already have an slx cassette working with an NX derailleur and shifter but the common failure in the nx it’s starting to fail down shifting the chain, so because of the price I bought an slx, but I also like the touch of the nx shifter (because of the instant release I suppose), is this a possible combination?
does 12 speed Shimano shifter m8100 would work with 11 speed system: slx cassette 11x46, XT RD M8000, 11 s slx chain? thank you in advance! PS your content is amazing. keep on going
@@LoveMTB thanks. what is that hack? :) Have bought bike frame (Orbea Oiz). Will start new project. Have all parts for 11 speed including 11 speed XTR shifter, but it is I spec II. Just do not have the brakes yet. Probably it will be Deore M6100, which is I spec EV. Thus looking for new shifter (bar clamp type this time), thought it might be 12 speed taking in mind I could make this bike 12 speed one day. But anyways, if it is not working correctly then there is only one opinion - look for 11 speed shifter :)
Can you put an xt shifter with an slx derailleur
Yes
Great comparison! I'm an Eagle guy, but if I were a Shimano drivetrain guy I'd go with XT shifter and RD. That rapid release alone looks so much snappier on the XT. BTW, I got my 501/520 brakes and they blow away my SLX 7000s in every regard, especially in the feel department. So much more linear after pad contact.... Hard to believe that Shimano barley even acknowledges their existence. So far, they are the best brakes I've owned from Shimano.
Rapid release is simply Shimano trying to emulate the 1:1 SRAM cable pull ratio.
Hello. My new bike has the Shimano XT M8100, 12 speed shifter, but I miss the optical gear display. Could I put in SL-M6100-IR instead, since it has the OGD? If so, would I lose much quality? My cassette is Shimano SLX M7100, 10-45T, 12 speed and my derailleur is Shimano XT M8120. Thx so much!
Thx for your quick response and happy 2023!
@@LoveMTB Could I pls ask you another question. I might downgrade to a bike with suspension with the same motor and torque but with Alivio M3100, 9-speed Shifter, Alivio T4000, long cage rear derailleur, and HG200, 11-36, 9-speed cassette. My commute is bumpy (terrible city streets) and very hilly. Would this be a horrendous downgrade? Would I feel the difference in the steepest inclines?
Hi friend. Can I install the SLX 12s shifter to a derailleur 11s?. I need to install the 11s 5100 cassette but couldn't find a shifter 11s in my country due to Covid. :(
maybe it's just me but m6100 is really hard to tune
after 3 clicks it wont jump up in the fourth cassette but it will have some hesitation first, but if i increased the line tensioner then I will have a problem in big cassettes...
Will u be able to use the deore xt m8100 shifter in a slx m7100 rd?
GX Eagle is the best shifter for shimano 12s
Can I put shimano mt-501 levers with slx 4 piston calipers?
I currently have slx shifter/casette and xt deraileur
Is it worth upgrading the shifter?
@@LoveMTB ahh I see, sounds like the slx is thr right one for me
I do want to go down to 10 speed though as I feel 12 is too many gears for emtb
@@LoveMTB I'm thinking because e bike drivetrains get worn out quicker, I can get a deore 10 speed deraileur, a shifter and 2 casettes. All for the price of one 12 speed casette
Do you think its a bad idea?
@@LoveMTB that would be great of you could do that
That way I could understand more the differences, thanks for the help!
I'll always choose XT shifter
I bought 2021 giant Talon 1 and I'm looking to upgrade parts I want all XT parts like the XT M8100 Hydraulic Disc Brake and I like to get a XT shift Lever that it can be integrated together but all I found are 11 speed and my bike is a 10 speed could I use the 11 speed shift ? Thank you
@@LoveMTB I thought so it was a stupid question to ask so I need a 10 speed shift for it unless I go up a gear sprocket. Thank you
@@LoveMTB I can get a Shimano
Deore XT Crank Arms with a 1x11 yes ?
I have sram xo1 drivetrain with shimano xt 11 speed shifter works wonderful.
Yes everything is 11 speed. I love shimano shifter ergonomic and release of gear by pulling or pushing the trigger. And longer lever to upshift than sram. You should try it.
Does the rubber grip on the lever not wear out? I know I wear the downshift lever smooth on all of my shifters.
Of course, just seems like it wouldn’t work for me the way I use my shifters. Thanks the reply.
Deore everything. It's the middle reliable option. Sunrace 12 speed cassette. None of that microspline BS.
I absolutely.love Shimano everything however the one thing I have to say SRAM out matches them on is their shifters I prefer the up shift on SRAM
can i use slx m7110-r to 11 speed shimano RD?
I've been underwhelmed by SRAM NX and considering going SLX mech and XT shifter. Not unusual to damage a mech where I ride so I'd sooner damage an SLX than an XT
maybe xt or xtr on next bike, most because of the uphill shifts?!
Im using 12s Deore shifter on my MTB😊
Compre el xtr hace poco y su funcionamiento es muy bueno y eso que el cassete y la cadena son gama baja y de distinta marca
After watching this I ordered XT for my fatbike. I don't want snow and gunk going up my shifter. Haha
I think you’ve discussed it before, but can you have m8000 brakes mated to a 12 speed shifter?
@@LoveMTB wolftooth makes a mate for them👍
Only the SLX i-Spec comes with 2 way release? cause i have the one with clamp and it does not function like that¡
@@LoveMTB Well i finally changed my slx shifter .. Bought the XT
I've 11speed SLX shifter with 11speed slx rear mech on my foes
3:12 snapping turtle.
Lol.
I have the 11 speed xt (upgraded from SLX) and the instant release fills much better
does the slx shifter feel any crisper than the deore one ?
@@LoveMTB thanks for the quick reply
Hi there, wanna know does shimano m8100 cage plate same as m6100?
@@LoveMTB but do u know can it be used or not? Cause right now is so hard to find sparepart for this m6100, btw Thanks for reply
@@LoveMTB yeah sir im sure not even scratch, only cage plate
May I know if that deore 11s has i spec ev mounting?
@@LoveMTB What if it is M4100 No window type?
My xt 12 speed shifter broke yesterday after 18 months, a return spring broke on the down shift paddle. At the moment looks like there is only slx available, so only now i want to know the difference haha
@@LoveMTB awesome! thats good to know!
@@LoveMTB update: so my XT shifter was covered under warranty and they sent me an XTR shifter as the replacement which is pretty cool since xtr is double the price of xt, probably because they dont have any XT ones left. i was using an SLX shifter for a month while i was waiting. I haven’t felt much difference shifting with the instant release because i click and release it anyways, with the easy gear shifting im scared changing 4 gears at once in case i break the chain which i have done before braking a xtr chain :(
@@LoveMTB Have you heard of this issue again? I'm thinking of upgrading my SLX shifter but recently discovered that it seems to be a recurring problem with XT and XTR
@@GFe11 damn...i makes me didnt want upgrade to xt 12s. Currently im using m8000 shifter
@@Its_me_siti_hannah apparently it doesn’t affect deore or slx shifters so you should be good to go with either of them
Is compatible xt shifter with slx (all the rest)?
Yes
Buen video, muy interesante como siempre.
running XT for the last 25 years now.
I have a 11s XTR (1x11) with 11-50t cassete
Can i use SLX shifter on Deore RD?
Thank you
i would take deore over sram gx 😁