"Apple's 8GB RAM on M3 MacBook Pro is Analogous to 16GB on PCs"
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ย. 2023
- An Apple employee has recently made a comment on the lack of Memory on MacBook Pro, he said in an interview that "8GB RAM on M3 MacBook Pro is Analogous to 16GB on PCs". Yet he failed to mention the fact that it is easy for apple to make 16GB MacBook Pros because it costs Apple only 34$ to produce, in this video I show you different results that prove that MacBook Pro with 8GB of RAM is not in fact faster than having the same 16GB MacBook Pro, let alone compare it to the power of PCs. With how much Apple charges you for an extra 8GB RAM upgrade, you can buy 32GB RAM sticks on PC and Windows Laptops.
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The $200 for each 8GB is insulting
$200 for every 4GB
BUT IT JUST WORKS
Even if your 8GB really is equivalent to 16GB it’s still not the reason you’re selling 16gig of RAM for 200bucks Mr.Cook😅
And your 8gig is not
Meanwhile on PC I can get a 32GB DDR5 kit for less than $100 smh
I added an 8GB stick to a PC recently for $25. Outrageous!
Honestly their loyal customers are the reason why they’re able to do this.
EU should regulate Apple more 😂
>make literally everything proprietary
>charge more for the same thing but slightly better
>use big fancy words to appeal to the uninformed which really mean nothing
>hate reparability despite signing a bill in California
>keep the same cable until its becomes illegal to do so
>be a "status sign" for rich people
Apple ladies and gentlemen... A P P L E
Edit: a month later and I'm still getting comments saying "MACS USE USB-C THOUGH" but like- I know, and I'm talking about phones, not Macs.
they are stuck in their eco and apple is going to milk them
College girls who aren't tech savvy whatsoever still demand a $2000 MacBook pro for them to use exclusively for web browsing and Microsoft Word. That alone sells thousands of macs per year
I knew lots of people who owned $1300 iPhones. They were women who volunteered at a cat rescue, and their heaviest computer task was video calling their kids. Definitely need a new $1300 phone every single year for that.
Apple would piss on their customers and say it's rain, and they'd believe it.
Yes, just like 99,9% of the population when its the government or any other big company pissing on on them.
Thats a great way to put it, they are sheep in a cult throwing money to their masters.
They already do xD
Throw in switch in there too hot garbage
The 999 stand.
For $400 I put 128 GB of RAM into a PC. And it's DDR5 6000MHz. And I even thought that was too much money.
And i thought that was too much memory 🥹
The irony, you have too much memory and iSheep spend that much for 1/8th of that memory
vat ze fuck are you doing with 128GB of RAM
@Ntm2301factually incorrect
@@beepboop6212 Bro is likely running a server
If 8GB is faster than 16GB imagine how fast 4GB would be!
4gb would be ULTRA FAST 0-100% AND -1000000% efficiency 😂😂😂
👍😅💯
It is possible for 8GB to be 'faster' than 16GB. The 'speed' is based on the bandwidth and response time.
However stuffing 16GB of data into 8GB of RAM causes swapping to the SSD. Which is why an 8GB Mac churns its SSD to death and runs slower.
Sometimes 16GB has twice the bandwidth, sometimes it's the same (double sized chips).
I can tell you that under Windows, if you run Microsoft Teams with 4gb, you're not running anything else concurrently.
If there's anything to Apple's claim here for typical office use cases, I'd guess the threshold for MacOS would be like 3gb.
@@armamentarmedarm1699 With the new Teams, it should not be that big of an issue, as they moved on from Electron to WebView2, based on the Edge's version of Chromium, and they moved non-UI code on a separate process which I think it's made with something else
Because it has a unified memory architecture, it would need more RAM, not less
Normally we called it shared video memory.
Just like my 500$ Ryzen laptop which comes with 16gb ram
@@nlhans1990 finally I got its tech, what a shitty term they use to say this simple thing 😂😂
Unified memory basically means it's their proprietary bullshit designed specifically to rip off apple fans
Exactly lmao, the fact that they're selling 8GB RAM isn't the problem, but the BASE CONFIG for a MacBook **Pro** is 8GB of RAM for the entire system (CPU/GPU/whatever else) is HIDEOUS!
I had a family member get the 8GB iMac because they trusted the whole "unified memory" marketing. They found it utterly unusable.
They deserve it...
The copium is strong on this one
If you are prone to believe that unified memory gives you any benefit, you're literally asking to be scammed.
It does... in consoles, that have ten times as fast vram.
The problem is Apple fans are not that tech-savvy and believe whatever they are told to believe.
I got the 8GB M1 MBP too, with just my coding IDE, the database server and a few browser tabs opened, it's already hitting the bottleneck. Most Apple fans try to justify it saying the same unified bs and other shits like 8GB is enough for casual users. Imagine $1300 being a casual user's shit lol.
And oh, they have SSD swap. Shorter lifespan for the so called unified SSD that can't be replaced or upgraded.
What I can't understand is that people say to go for $999 MacBook Air for daily tasks. Like dude what? For $999, I wouldn't want it only for daily tasks.
Especially when you can get a Chromebook for under $200 and a standard laptop for less than half of what Apple offers and do better at that.
@@astroidexadam5976just picked a lenovo laptop for 450, i can do what i need, can upgrade it with ram, ssd and even the screen if i need, for more demanding tasks i have a 1300 dol pc at home, just remote to it and boom, same performance as a 2800 shit macbook without even ethernet on it
@@astroidexadam5976yeah but those laptops are built like toys.
@@yore5 by "built like toys" do you mean that they are actually designed to be water resistant and don't have a big apple logo on the back?
@@yore5 and macs (all apple products in general) are designed for stupid people that know nothing about tech
apple might just be the most anti-consumer company on the planet
Nvidia would like to know your location
@@TheSwayzeTrainNvidia is not as bad as apple though
That what happend when one managed cultivated the equivalent of religion, you don't need to innovate much to rip profit from your dumb but usefull fanbase
@@TheSwayzeTrain At least Nvidia sells you a decent product.
ngreedia is still better than apple though, overpriced macbook pros compared to high end gaming laptop which can run the same load probably faster and still able to be upgraded, oh I also don't care about performance on battery vs plugged as I just plug in even a pd charger when outside if not using the massive brick
thats like saying its better to have stomach parasites just because then you lose your appetite
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Next they will tell their users that they can download more RAM with a monthly subscription lmao
That might actually happen, its entirely possible for apple to cap its ram on say a 32gb system to 8gb and make u pay monthly to use anything above 8gb, it would require a software based limiter but it could happen.
@@CrimsonDaw remember when BMW wanted to charge customers a subscription to enable the heated seats they had installed in the cars? It's only a matter of time
16gb is the new 8gb, and i think we are getting close quite fast to 32gb being the recommended standard.
Thats absurd, 16gb being the standard for heavy gaming and editing yes, but 32gb is just stupid to say now. Maybe 4k max setting gaming and the heaviest form of editing yes, but 32gb being standard wont be a thing even in years to come.
bruther u need to learn the meaning of ram
yes, ram is a scam@@reubenpx1809
@@Burago2kfor heavy gaming its 32GB either DDR4 or DDR5 but for editing it's either 32GB DDR5 or 64GB DDR4
@@destroyer6990 the performance jump from dual channel ddr4 and dual ddr5 is abysmal no need to pay a premium not yet.
What kills me is how stingy and price fixing companies are with ram... When ram, and solid state memory is like the ONE THING we don't have particular shortages of nor is it that expensive to produce, it is ENTIRELY a weird aggressive stifled "No you're only allowed to have THIS much" industry brake pedal slamming.
Apple is simply saying: We don't allow a lot of apps, so we save the 8GB more than someone with 16GB that's free to use more apps.
I remember when 16 mb (not GB) of Apple RAM was £495
Apple don’t want to give anything away, no matter how cheap it is to produce.
It’s the same in the airline industry, they’d rather have empty seats on the aircraft than give you a last minute deal.
because those are the things that can easily future proof devices. we've reached a point where your average processor is enough for most peoples browsing needs but the thing that helps a lot is ram and storage. browsers, programs and games use more ram and storage to keep things snappy and feature rich. so its in apple's best interest to limit ram and storage especially on devices like laptops that most people can't easily upgrade because the sooner they hit that "oh it's slow and needs more storage" the better.
I have a laptop that seemed to be reaching the end of it's life and running out of space but since I figured I was going to throw it out I decided to look up what ram sticks it used and bought an extra stick and a larger newer ssd. It brought back my laptop from the dead and continues to be my main laptop to use. I just avoided buying a new laptop for a literal fraction of the cost and that money didn't even go to the manufacturer. this scares companies like apple
@@victorgadamba5518not sure thats true…😉
Apple checks SW before the developers can upload it to the AppStore. You can also download any apps from literally anywhere by turning off a few things in settings.
Yes, there are more games for PC. For sure!
Also there are way more virus, bloatware and spyware available for Windows.
I used to use Windows between 1993-2009 and I gave up when my genuine copy of Windows XP reported missing and damaged system files after clean install. Literally after the first boot.
Everybody talking about 200$ for extra 8GB RAM. But nobody talks about the +460$ for extra 1TB SSD.
In all fairness almost all "high end" laptops have insane pricing for SSD and RAM. Look at the new surface lineup. SLS2 is just as bad. Not an apple exclusive problem
Still crazy the fact that u can get a PCIE Gen 4 1TB SSD for under $50 but most laptop brands charge you way more
@@juliand3565 It's better to buy stock then upgrade aftermarket.
@@dagamerturtle
yeah of course, they packed it into a small, slim case
it only makes sense that you pay a premium for portable jet engines
@@juliand3565 Thats why you need to buy laptop with access to RAM and SSD. I upgraded RAM in my 2015 Acer laptop for 36€, and 500GB NVME drive for another 40€ and there is slot for 1TB SATA drive. CPU and GPU is still from 2015 but for daily stuff its super sonic...
When you invest in Apple, you're not investing in the company. You're investing in the blind devotion of the idiots who keep buying their products.
bingo
my dad sincerly almost got a mac for gaming. had to give him the proper sit down and talk.
Is your dad ok?
I would assume your dad is old. And some apple fan boy said something like "MAC can do gaming. MAC can do everything. Its SoC is perfect. " Like a Christian trying to get you to join their religion.
I remember when I upgraded from 8 GB to 12 GB... I'd never wanna go back to 8 GB
I literally did that yesterday lol
Same dude, I'm never going back to 8 GB
@@andricode Yep. 12 GB should be the minimum for PCs nowadays. Leave 8 GB for Phones.
I have 2x 32gb ddr5 😅
@@elitepauper7400no one asked 😅
@@ScoreCrow doesn't change a thing. Its 2023 bruh 8gb been out of fashion for ages
And 16GB on your highest end offering would still be underwhelming...
For the majority of users 8 GB is enough as well. Apart from them using their apple device as a glorified safari emulator, what else do they need it for? File sharing in their awesome apple eco system? Streaming or watching videos won't be an issue either with 8 GB.
And that's that. If you use it only as such 8 GB is fine. For professional use 16G + is a no brainer. But then again. 7k LOL
@@romancvijanovic7130so for that PROFESSIONAL USE you need to spend 100 dollar from Apple exclusive?
@@romancvijanovic7130 8gb is okay, for 1,600 dollars? yeah no
@@romancvijanovic7130For the majority of the users, M1 series were more than enough. What do they want M3 for?. Also why Apple release M3 when M1 series is more than enough 😂.
@@romancvijanovic7130 I used both 8GB and 16GB, and no, 8GB is not enough for anyone who uses more than 10% of the M1's performance, let alone M3.
4GB on linux is analogous to 8GB on macbooks.
Yeah, because Linux has no bloat, like mac or windows does. But still, 16 GB of ram is necessary.
nixos pfp :3
@@定义I'd disagree, 8 GiB is enough for daily task and normal usage, including low level gaming. 4 GiB is joke.
@@OkarinHououinKyoumaEnough for watching TH-cam / Consuming Content, E-mail etc like most of apple consumers do which can be done on Smartphones. Too little to do anything that makes sense on Laptop like editing, coding etc
@@clickbaitpro apple users are wannabe techies, they pretend to know the best and the greatest technology out there, fact is they are getting spoonfed and being forced to use old technology by apple...
It's also a feature that the second you spill any kind of liquid on it, the fan directly splashes it onto the main powerrail and shorts it to the cpu. Spares you the repair and you can get a brand new one
No one can gaslight their customers like Apple does
Sunk cost fallacy at it's finest. They bought it and it was exorbitantly fucking expensive, so it HAS to be good right? Surely the manufacturer wouldn't LIE to them, otherwise why did they spend all of this money buying this laptop? That would have to mean that they got duped, and that could never happpen to them. They're too smart for that, surely.
Lo
The brainlets who still buy apple products are part of the problem
*Like apple does
@@Fraggr92you need a sense of reality, apple products are the best value on the market. my 8+ year old macbook air outperforms most gaming laptops
Charging people $200 for 8GB RAM is insane. For that kind of money, you can get 32GB DDR5 RAM and still have some money left!!
lets say 150 dollars decent 32 GB DDR5 and for rest of 50 dollars u can get nice case fans or nice cpu cooler
I was curious about this , went to Amazon and found many decent 64!!!gb(32x2) kit for less than the 200$ price 😮😮
I bought 32 GB kit DDR5 5600 back in June for $115.
8GB of Apple ram, much more effective.
@@remulsive9558 that's what they want you to believe.
The funny thing about soldered memory is it probably costs them around a dollar or less in materials and a negligible amount of labor as the chips are being added onto the boards directly
it’s good so many youtubers are calling them out, they might (low chance) actually do something about it
I'd rather they just go bankrupt
As an Apple stockholder and an Android and PC user i really appreciate what Apple is doing
bruh
We're in the same boat brother. Felt the sting when China banned iPhones for government employees -- announced conveniently around the last earnings report. Also been on the Tesla 'pump and dump' a few times, wouldn't buy one of those for myself either.
Yh they simply says fu%k o%f and go buy from another company😂😂
This isnt good. If Apple gets away with it what do you think Windows and Android will do? Windows already had the colossal failure of Windows 8 tho maybe theyve learned their lesson.
only losers invest in $APPL
Apple makes groundbreaking technology by adding 8GB RAM to Mac Pro.
The world will never be the same again...
They just added usb c to iphones.
@@rnegoro1 And they likely never would have had it not been for the EU
Well M1 is a good addition
@@rnegoro1 It nice not USB-C isn't exactly revolutionary technology, plus you can't even get the improved speeds without buying a pro model
Next year they will announce MBP with 4 GB of RAM! Because meMOrY cOmPReSHHen.
"Unified memory" only makes it worse, as the 8G is shared between the CPU and GPU
The oxygen concentrator sound fading in took my lungs away 💀
Their RAM is about as innovative as their USB C charging cables.
This is just the same farts everyone's been huffing since the original iMac.
XD What about their peak of 60fps? XD
Didn't apple invent RAM? or was it the wheel
"Less is more. Probably more than you deserve." -Apple
" Fxck Apple! " - We, the people!
Can’t wait for the day Tim Crook finally retires
@@DrAnimePhDor some object enters his cranium at high speed
Underated right here
Apart from the fact that 8gb of "unified memory" (biggest apple scam this season) is NOT in fact equivalent to 16gb of memory on a PC, that 8gb of ram is priced HIGHER than 32gb of ddr5 for a regular PC...
u can get like 64gb for the price of 8gb macbook ram
And it's shared with the GPU because it's "Unified memory"
@@macedonianlad Correction, for the "upgrade fee" to 16, you can get a 64 gig kit.
Also, it is worth mentioning that while Apple is not unique in overcharging for RAM and storage upgrades, most other brands that people are comfortable recommending don't lock you out of post-purchase upgrades or repairs on this stuff. Damn near everyone is talking about how these machines can last sooooooo much longer compared to the competition, but the one thing that would help make sure they can achieve that is always ignored.
@@ZeldagigafanMatthew the correction is true
The narration here is actually soothing. Best narrator for a bedtime story.
They got away with the storage/ram upgrades for years. People go into an Apple shop and have no issues paying a premium for an extra 8GB of ram or 1TB storage. The fact Apple still has a 64GB iPad is ridiculous.
My Photos library wouldn’t even fit on a 64Gb iPad
istg bro... it's the sheep's fault, 64GB iPad.. I ain't buying that.
Also 64gb Iphones oooof
@@superoakwood5513 So they are literally using few dollars chip, that is present in every cheap USB stick? Wow.
You used to be able to upgrade it yourself though. Since Apple started making their own chips in a unified solution you can't upgrade the storage or ram. You need to buy a whole new system making the argument about e-waste even worse.
Apple never lets us down with their statements lol
never fails to fail us
Never gonna run around and desert us
And apple product are so great and that’s why I bye a $7000 MacBook instead of a much better $1500 laptop so that’s why I love apple products so much because
It has 8gigs of SMARTER ram that’s so good its better than 16gigs of fast ram 😉
( apple is sh#t and don’t bye it at all get a Samsung or a actual laptop🤬)
Apple attempts to distort reality with their marketing.
Famously known as the Reality Distortion Field.
They use any marketing term to shield their scummy practices Lol
Mad props to Max Tech for actually ponying up for two of those MacBooks.
How calm the voice is
"Efficient use of memory"
Such an interesting way to say "we are using the swap file"
Or if you had a single good faith bone in your body you would say " We are better at swap file than the competition. "
SSD fails. Think different
what is swap file ?
@@octavelapize6657 The file on your ssd/hdd where computer stores the data wich can't fit on your ram.
All systems use it, but only apple tells customers that's better than ram.
@@octavelapize6657 using the hard drive as memory
I managed to find a 64 GB DDR5 kit for under $300. Apple has no excuse.
Well, good luck with Apple’s soldered RAM (since the Intel days)
@@batmanatkinson1188 Not really the point I was going for, but that's another issue.
I think Apple has a perfect excuse of „you don’t have another option so pay up or get fucked“
Do people commenting here actually have a MacBook to come and judge whether what Apple is saying is true or not? I have a MacBook and quite frankly, it runs pretty well. Even after all these years. I bought mine 7 years ago and it’s still faster than any of the 3 laptops I bought in the past. Sure, it’s not a gaming rig, but it’s great for work and programming.
@@esdeath7674We don't need to, we have third-party reviews and benchmarks to test those claims for us. And as shown in this video, 8 GB is enough to get by, but you're leaving a ridiculous amount of performance on the table doing it.
I think it would've been more interesting to compare the macbook 8gb to a different brand laptop with 16gb RAM. It probably performs even better than the 16gb macbook pro lol
I did the math and it does check out.
17$ + 17$ = 200$
I outright refuse to spend a single dime on products like these.
Worst part is that their consumer don't wanna face the truth and are feeling superior just cause they bought a pricy product thus making Apple to create more pricey product for their sheep , these kind of people would by air for atleast 50USD just cause its pricey .
I have never and will never buy an Apple product so long as they make them sealed units that you can't upgrade yourself or choose what OS to run etc.
@@reevus2558 a friend of mine paid something like $4000 for a Mac, I was upgrading my PC at the time, my upgrades gave me 50% higher benchmark scores than his Mac. I wonder if you can guess how much I paid? Half? Quarter? nope. I paid $400 total for a new mobo, CPU and ram which I fit into the case I bought 15 years ago and used the GPU I bought 3 years ago. Convenient, eh?
@@bipolarminddroppingsyeah keep using your Android that crashes when you go to make a phone call half the time lol
@@bipolarminddroppings If you're into coding, hardware assemblies etc., then apple is not the brand for you. Linux etc. suits you better
I paid $200 for 48gb DDR5 for my PC. You can also enable memory compression on Windows and Linux if you wanna trade some CPU for extra RAM space.
Does that work dynamically, or is the compression on at all times? If it were to work in a way it doesn't waste your CPU when extra memory isn't required, think that would be a nice feature to be enabled by default. Unless that has some other downsides besides that, that are significant enough to take into consideration.
I payed around £130 for 64GB DDR5 (2 x 32GB). When I found some on sale. Work amazingly for everything and with how cheap for performance the 13th gen i5s are I see no reason not to get it over a macbook. Something like a Framework can get you nearly identical CPU and Ram performance for a fraction of the price. If you need a GPU you could just get an external 40 series for wayyy cheaper
My main computer is a Linux box with 16 Gb RAM, running Linux Mint _and_ Ubuntu Studio. I could update to 32 Gb but don't see why as it _rarely_ uses more than about 6Gb. Also there is 8 Gb of swap memory, of which it currently uses 0%. Whole thing cost about €400. What would you get from Crapple for that price? 16 Gb of RAM?
@@carltaylor4942 Don't be so generous to apple. You'd probably get just a computer shell without any internals for that price. They'd sell it to you as a super-lightweight titanium chassis that is sleek and aerodynamic and just not tell you it's an added 2000 pounds for a CPU
@@auseawesome9112Don't be too generous to Apple. They sold monitor stands for like 1000 or some shit and wheels for 700... For 400 you would probably get cardboard
Really great ad apple! Thank you so much!
More and more I see a pattern with products that charge upwards of 10x more than others in the same category. It's usually a grift to give you the illusion of luxury quality, but then you look at the guts of it and find subpar materials and features.
Also, don't let Apple marking up RAM to an insane degree distract you from other manufacturers starting to do it too. Dell, Lenovo, HP and all the others aren't as greedy yet, but if left unchecked - they will be.
Dell, Lenovo and HP have always been known rip-offs. Why buy them? I bought Linux computers here is Spain. Made by a company called Vant. The computer, with free mechanical keyboard, cost slightly more than the RAM for an Apple computer. Just over €400. I run Linux Mint _and_ Ubuntu Studio on it. I wanted 3 hard drives, so I installed 3 hard drives. Try that with an Apple!
If it's soldered onto the board they'll do it. So never built a laptop or computer without upgradable RAM and storage.
Lenovo (for the legion slim 5) allows you to upgrade your ram in the ‘Build Your PC’ option for, I believe, $40 (8GB -> 16GB). Also, I’ve done some research and have found that Lenovo laptop to be quite reliable. I haven’t heard many bad things about Lenovo in general, but I could have had a fairly limited search.
They already do, except they have standard RAM and SSD connectors, so we can easily buy 3rd party RAM and SSDs for more affordable prices to upgrade it.
many ultrabooks (laptops made to be portable first with every other feature suffering as a result) already have either half soldered half socketed or fully soldered RAM so unfortunately its already started
Remember, this is the company that sold a 999$ monitor stand.
Yep...monitor not included.
and $700 Apple Wheels
Yeah man, my whole PC cost me about 800 including Keyboard, mouse, Monitor etc. and 16GB RAM and it's still good enough to play most games on high settings, Apple is just ridiculous
Also those wheels 😆
My monitor is not even half as expensive as that one stand... It's fucking ridiculous xD
Yeah, loved the crowd reaction there.
The crazy part is I was actually considering buying an apple computer for the first time ever after the m2 reviews came out. But Apple's refusal to sell ram/storage at a reasonable price and no way to upgrade killed any chance of me buying it.
Lol, it is even funnier with this background song. What is the name of it?
They made the 8gb of ram to kill your SSD faster so you can buy the next model as fast as possible. 🍎
Mother nature would be proud of them 😅
And then they do claim to be green
s fast of possible ? hell yeah our costumer have to buy a new device because of the Ram after 20+ years or so what muhaha we are evil geniuses haha 😂
Finally someone pointed out the correct reason.
Those SSD in MacBooks are also tiny - 256-512 gb 😮😮😮 and they are being toasted by swapping sometimes in a year 😂
Holy smokes 8gb ram is not even enough for phones these days 😭
For iPhones it is. But yeah 8gb on any expensive laptop is complete bs.
I mean, I have a 13 mini and it did not chug so far with only 4 GB…
Very impressive considering 4 GB is nothing these days.
overkill for phones you mean
@@project77977not really. I got a One Plus 9 with 8 gb ram and even it lags due to multiple apps running or hardcore emulation
Not enough for phones?
dude must be from 2030 🤣
To be fair that stock M1 Mac mini with 8gb ram and dual nands was a beast for the money. Like $400? Thing was running circles around everything when it dropped.
My 2011 MBA is still working, on its 3 battery replacement.
Pretty funny how a modern day 1000$+ "Pro" Laptop has as much memory as a 2017 Android phone.
I have more RAM in my phone than my PC... Apple should take notes.
💯 even cheap phones($200) have 8gb of ram 😂 and 256gb SSD - same as 1500$ apple laptop 😂
My 2021 S21 Ultra has 12GB ram 😂
I mean, phone specs are ridiculous nowadays, maybe because mobile devs are too lazy to optimise their weird apps, but I agree. Apple continues with their savage mysticism to this day.
@@TheBcoolGuy apple software is also bloated 😔 gone are the days when MacOS + apps run perfectly on 0.5-1 Gb of ram
Noticed he said "Probably!" LOL, This is classic. I'm sure this was stated because Apple knows 8GB isn't enough. Forcing people to buy another device in a few years.
Because all those words are pure marketing bullshit.
@@APopovsame with nvidia. 8gb vram wont cut it, their neural compression bs served as to justify such low amount. Both companies are equally as bad
@@TheUltraMinebox nVidia isn't nearly as bad.
@@an2thea514 they're quickly approaching Apple levels of nonsense
It’s not that Apple can’t allow for extra RAM for cheap.
It’s because they don’t want to.
Why do you think Apple is apparently the “highest-valued” tech company in the world despite offering products with inferior specs and performance to the competition?
APPLE IS FOOLING EVERYONE
I agree with but he was not saying 8GB on m3 is equal to 16GB on m3 ( which is what is being compared in that video you showed)
You got my subscription
Back in 2013 I bought a laptop with 24GB RAM, which I later upgraded to 32GB - because why not - it was good for gaming, video, 3D and photo editing work that I do.
I'm glad to see that 10 years later the technology is so advanced now that 8GB is all you need in a "premium" product, aimed at the same tasks 🤣
For everything other than gaming and video, that machine ought to still be pretty good.
"Mac is not designed for gaming☝️🤓"
@@armamentarmedarm1699 not really, 2D graphics are pretty demanding aswell
@@ErmaPulayou can play games on Mac, but don't come crying when the overheating is frying your computer parts
@@kingghidorah8106you can play games on Mac, but better to use chair
when phones have more ram than a high-end macbook. you know something aint right
Well Performed!❤❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 5 stars on this one.
It blows my mind that in the year 2024 there are companies releasing laptops with 8gb of Ram, My Dell XPS that i purchased in 2019 comes with 32gb of Ram lol.
Sad thing is that if Apple even goes down to 4 GB there are still enough idiots that will buy their products no matter what.
they will call it 'minimalistic' or 'green footprint' device to feel better about the fact that they got scammed while drinking an iced matcha latte made with oat milk for 10$
@@PyguKjesus christ, the vegan milk industry is horrifying
And they will vote for Biden.
Idiots will be idiots.
I think there was a paperweight model several years back that is now discontinued. Pretty sure it was 4 GB of ram. Taking it for a test spin at the store, it was impossibly fucking slow. 8GB might as well be the new 4 GB several years later, though.
You know it's bad when even Apple Explained calls this behaviour a scam
Bruh.
Other components will die before the SSD…
Or max tech (huge Apple fanboy)
@@fidelisitor8953 Max Tech does that up and down, back and forth clickbait stuff for the views. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they also do it to help increase volatility of Apple’s stock prices.
@@AaronFigFrontbattery will go first and it’s a pain in the butt to replace
oh no mr. cook is just cooking
iSheeps are drooling
Huge reason for this is to make the machine die faster. With 8 gigs it's hitting that swap file so hard often that you're using up writes on the life. Oh and it's non replaceable storage.
And yet it is not.
@@TrevorSachkoapple shill gtfo
@@TrevorSachko ok fanboi
@@TatsuZZmage Not at all. Just that idiots like to use daft words and have no idea what they are talking about.
@@TrevorSachko i've watched tear downs of the new macs the ssd is garbage, poorly designed proprietary crap you can't buy, it holds the system bios so if it dies the machine is a brick, the voltage rails don't have a ground line buffering the data lines so if it has a issue it kills all the memory chips and maybe even the cpu.
Laughs in 64GB of RAM in 7 year old Thinkpad.
What will 64GB Ram give you if you have maybe 15-20% CPU power of this MacBook 😅
I doubt a 7 year old laptop with 64gb ram was sold with a weak cpu when it was new @@jacobglass2951
@@jacobglass2951it will give you more parasitic battery drain.
@@sterlingroberts6240 Battery drain is determined by the ram's clockspeed and not capacity. Some framework users have tested this.
@@jacobglass2951 Obviously a 7 year old thinkpad will be slower, but it shows that if a 7 year old laptop can do it, surely apple's new "pro" models should come with at least 32gb of ram, if not 64.
The only way that makes sense is if they compress everything before it goes into ram, and decompress it when it removes it.
So yeah, it's theoretically possible, but the 45% cpu overhead to do it, makes you macbook slower than a pc from 15 years ago.
"We just happen to be aable to use it much more efficiently."
My potato pc (which is only used as a media pc) for 4 months only had 2GB of RAM. It was perfectly capable to run Windows 10 and play a TH-cam 1080p livestream... in a 2006 CPU.
I have a potato PC from '09, and it runs arch linux. It can smoke a new macbook like a blunt
For a developer, it's actually the other way around when comparing to a PC running Linux. Since MacOS doesn't support running Docker containers natively, we have to run a virtual machine and allocate like 2GB just for that.
So, 8GB on a PC is a bare minimum for software development, 8GB on a mac just doesn't work.
hold on the video compared two macbooks, one with 8gb and 16gb, while the quote compared an 8gb mac to a 16gb pc. So that video does not disprove the quote.
Dude.. "MacOS and it's great hardware" ... Dude, OS are not physical, dude.
@@user-fk2xg8nq6r As someone who uses both macOS and Windows every day, macOS is the clear winner given the worse spec on my MacBook.
But 8 GB RAM is just not great hardware.
@@TheRabbitHole-pf9sq Same here. I use linux-cli, windows and macOS everyday and hands down I'm happiest on the Macintosh. People really seem to hate Mac, and that's totally fine if a person doesn't enjoy OSX, but generally speaking anyone I know that uses it seems to prefer it over windows (I know so few people that use any form of linux that I can't even speculate on that one).
correct. actually I missed that.@@hejalll
Don't forget you will be more efficient with MacBook cuz it's designed aerodynamically so when you walk and carry it in your arm you actually have 0.00001 % more efficient air resistance which will make your walking speed faster and thus over a spawn of your lifetime of being an Apple customer you will save 30-45 seconds of your life !
🤣🤣😂
Lmao
shhhhh
if Tim Cook realizes we've been getting this benefit for free he's going to start charging for it so keep it quiet please
You’re trying to be funny but these MBPs and the M2 air are the best physical designs of any laptop I’ve handled.
awful keyboards though
ill take my thinkpad t480s, as old as it is, over any macbook there is simply for that kb@@byakka
Same reason why 8 GB Windows 10 machine still are a thing in Corp America. Don’t get one or non SSD drives and yet they exist still for purchase.
The best part for me is how they say they use ram more efficiently, even though Mac OS is literally the most resource consuming os you can use.
Even if their claims were true it is still not okay for the price
not ok ? thats literal scam
Less memory is much cheaper cause you would need a new pc soon. @@project77977 😂
The problem is not with Apple, the problem is with the consumers who are accepting these prices and keep buying them. If they would not have people buying these ones they would not have these prices...
@@project77977 dont buy it then
@@project77977 "happily pays for 2k graphics card"
Unified memory architecture means you require more RAM if anything (those 8GB are shared with the GPU, while on a PC the GPU would have its own separate pool of memory unless you're using an iGPU)
Its partially the reason why people with handheld gaming pcs are asking for 32gb ram to become standard
@@flamestoyershadowkill6400 what is a handheld gaming pc??
@@Anonymous-vr6phbasically...Steamdeck.
@@Anonymous-vr6ph steam deck, rog ally, etc
@@Anonymous-vr6phthe steam deck, for example. it runs linux and you can boot up windows on it easily as well.
Yeah, synology also has memory compression on it's NASes. It's supposed to make things faster, somehow IRL it's the other way around
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Makes me want to buy more Apple stock. Making people pay 500% markup on their ram sounds like a good business model to me lmao
Blame the customers for buying this crap, the real sad part is it shows other companies how low they can stoop.
Might as well take advantage of the morons paying out their ass for a computer that runs worse than a PC.
You can only climb higher before you either fall down or uncontrollably lost in the vast space. Both seem miserable to me
For real
It is, until suddenly it isn't.
I love how the Apple rep is like "people should go and see how the "technology" is being used?" Isn't that your damn job Apple Marketing?
It is, and that's the answer.
My brother was insistent on getting a Macbook Air M3. He was gonna get the 8GB and spewing the same "unified memory, efficient ram" bs. 200 dollars enough for 36GB ram on PC, still told him to bite the bullet. He thanked me, Arc with some other daily software were running 10GB of ram
Idk about the newest Mac products but older Macs use the same type of RAM as a Windows computer so if you're willing to void your warranty you can just do that
This is absolutely hilarious because DDR memory isn't even expensive. In terms of power consumption and physical size constraints, it shouldn't really be a major issue, either. So they're absolutely just trolling their customers, seeing how far they can be pushed before they break.
Even more hilarious is when sackmashers like yourself have no idea what they are talking about.
A friend of mine was trying to justify why his insanely expensive iphone purchase was still valid even after Apple crippled the CPU via an OTA patch due to the phones dangerously overheating. These people like him would buy an Apple product even if it came from the factory permanently smelling of dogshit
@@Sgt_Glory You should have told you "friend" not to charge his phone under his pillow... Douches stick together....
Apple consumers don't care. They are brainless rich or pretending to be "rich" that accept anything apple pushes as part of the future and even as an advacement. This is not crazy considering they are the same type of people that feel good getting scammed at places like Starbucks or any other shitty predatory company
Apple saying 8GB is better than 16GB is like Ubisoft saying 24 FPS is better than 60 FPS.
Did people stop pretending it was more cinematic when consoles started to be capable of 1080p at 60 FPS? I kind of tuned out that topic a decade ago.
@@ordinaryhuman5645 consoles have been capable of 60 fps since the 80s lol
Ubisoft devs*. They don’t speak in the behalf of Ubisoft.
this is not the same thing. FPS is a performance measurement and ram is hardware. you can use ram really inefficiently and tank your performance or you can use it really efficiently and outclass inefficient hardware.
@dmer-zy3rb Not at 1080p lol
Every apple costumer needs to see this
1. "Efficient use of memory" is mainly on the user with how many apps are open at a time.
2. Windows also has memory compression.
3. If the 16 GB is significantly faster with everything else being the same, then that tells me memory ISN'T being used efficiently.
You don't get it, it is apple memory
Even Linux does memory compression under the hood.
Also 3. What that should tell you is the swap file is being constantly used, which on a SSD is an easy way to eat into ssd life. Now, swapfiles on SSDs are fine if rarely used, or as a caching mechanism on a NAS. What isn't fine is pretending SSDs are RAM
@Demopans5990 - On 8 gigs of RAM, apple will DESTROY your SSD in terms of mem swapping. People have tested this, the system swaps over 125+ GB of SSD in a day.
I forget if this is 5 or 8 hours though, still...
SSD fails. Apple offers to repair for $5000😊
"If the 16 GB is significantly faster with everything else being the same, then that tells me memory ISN'T being used efficiently"
I think you misunderstood something here and there are a few things making this result as extreme:
- >8GB Ram were NEEDED on a 8GB Ram computer
- It was a base model, the one with super slow SSD, and the SSD is used for the swap memory.
- The tasks was pretty long/hefty to be honest... as soon the SSD lowers its transfer speed which happens after a while... performance just drops.
- Was it that inefficient? Have you any comparison with a Windows Computer running on 8GB Ram and doing those tasks? I guess the Windows Machine would be absolutely unusable at those tasks!
It was even obvious at a comparison between M1 Pro and M2 Pro Base models... the much slower SSD on the M2 Pro basically hurts the performance extremely when you are coming into longer swap usage and so a M2 Pro can be slower than a M1 Pro (but is mostly faster)
Whoever thought of the strategy of selling effectively useless macs with 8 gb of ram so that customers would be forced to buy another model with at least 16gb right away or later got the promotion of his life.
Legend has it he still pays the tequila for everyone at the bar every friday.
8gb was fine on my base model M1 MacBook Air, never had any problems really, even using Photoshop, doing video editing with Final Cut Pro, game dev with Unity, etc… I wasn’t doing anything majorly complex, true, but it wasn’t useless.
But I wouldn’t expect anything less than 16gb on a Pro machine costing $1600
Apple take the piss when it comes to base memory and storage, and their upgrade prices are completely criminal.
$200 to upgrade from 8gb to 16gb?Insane. I paid less than that for 32Gb of high-end DDR5 7200Mhz RAM for my PC. Of course, it’s different sort of RAM, but still. Insane.
@@jernaugurgeh451 Guess what, in my country it's 2000€, which is almost 2200USD.
impossible to replace storage and soldered ram that cost an arm and a leg to upgrade is a deal breaker for me, I need the storage for the emulators and games and still have spare
Apple just cracks me up, they can go so far because their fanbase allows it 😂
This technique is used every where. It's a derivative of the bait and switch. Offer an attractive price for a product. You get the customer in the psychology of the buying mode. They come in to the shop or onto the Web site. They like what they see, then they see the "Gotcha" and they end up buying what they perceived to be the product for a higher price because the product required some other addition to be a good product.
lets make a laptop cpu that dances circles around the existing x64 cpus at a tiny fraction of the energy and give it 8gb it has to share with the video hardware.. i love my m2 but i really wish some other company do high end arm
the voice is everything 😂
This is the memory equivalent of the emissions scandal.
The VW Diesel one?
@DDRWakaLaka tbh I couldn't tell you because there are so many
every year apple always surprises me to show how many stupid people still living in our worlds.
true lol
Exactly lol.
man it's true they charge ridiculously, but truth is, the kind of experience you get on MacBook is unlike any other OS. For software engineering and such stuff, why I still need to buy it.
@thethrill5396 my PC that has 64gigs ram and 12 core processor gives me a great experience what you talking about
Its like nintendo and there overpriced games even after years being out, I remember early this year with Zelda BOTW for 50 dollar haha
I've once got an used MacBook as gift, sold it and got new parts for my desktop PC. I don't even visit social places, I have no use even for their status symbol.
Peel the stickers off and they all say Hynix. 😂
I'm having mental flashbacks to 2003 when Apple claimed 400 MHz on a PowerPC was equivalent to 2 GHz on an Intel- CPU. Back then, Apple was kind of stuck with PowerPC architecture, at least until 2006 when they transitioned to Intel. The difference now is Apple could easily upgrade their entry-level spec to 16GB for almost no added cost, but refuses to do so.
In the early days if Pentium IV (the 1.6-2.0 GHz models), that wasn't far from the truth. Early Pentium IVs were smoked by 1 Ghz Pentium 3s in some tests and even 750 MHz P3s in a few outlier ones. I remember my 33 Mhz NextStation smoking 200 MHz Pentium 2s when compiling.
@@ebe7157 but you do not expect sensible discussion in an "apple bad" video, do you?
@@user-cq5zq4ij6r I don't. I'm used to it. I use all OSes for various things. Apple makes good stuff. Pleasant to use, smooth, tight integration with the rest of their ecosystem.
What other kind of flashback is there other than mental?
@@ebe7157They were ahead of software optimizations that could take advantage of the P4s. Some games ran hot enough you needed to crack a window in December though.
The abusive relationship between Apple and it's consumers is hilarious.
Meanwhile governments :
stockholm intensifies
Hurt me daddy Apple ❤
The thing is that the customers don't realise this and are actually happy with it and promoting their products
"He hurts me because he loves me"
My late 2009 imac had 12 gigs of RAM.
People should look beyond the specifications, more specifically at the price tag.
I don't agree with Apple here, but the comparison video you use make you pretty much much on the same spot as them. They said compare to 16GB "other OS" PC, not 16GB Macbook. Obviously 16GB Macbook gonna be faster than 8GB Macbook.
ive only seen 1 other comment bring this up. apple is obviously lying, but nobody noticed that this video proves nothing😂
also, target demo for Mac Book with 8/256 spec is entry level web-users and basic media/office work. Any of the 2021-2023 models can do that in spades. Most users are not encoding 8k videos. Or exporting 5000 images at once.
@@ebe7157this is cope, have more than 2 applications open nowadays will use more than 8gb of RAM
Planned obsolescence and upsell in all fronts, it's crazy. From their products, to the costumer service. It's really smart actually, it's scary that it works so well, but most people just buy what they see without questions. It's no surprise that there is so much money in marketing, it just works.
I bet their plan was to ladder you up to the 16 gb model and force you to cough up an extra 200 dollars. That 8gb talk is probably all pr so people would hopefully reduce the backlash. And if they did get the 8gb model, Apple would be getting a new customer in a short few years. If you ignore the backlash, they really do win either way because people that know will get an upgrade, but those that don't or can't will suffer and eventually replace it anyways.
Not to mention developers have no choice but to pay the prices, because realistically Mac is their only choice since XCode is exclusive to macOS, so if you want to develop for both iOS and Android (which you do because iOS is where the big money is for app development) then you have no choice but to pay the absurd RAM costs
@@ninsix To make a iOS app it can only be done from a Mac using XCode IDE. There is no other alternative. Apple controls the entire iOS platform with an iron fist and restricts iOS app development to Mac systems only, as another means to lock you into the ecosystem.
So sure you can just use Android Studio on Windows, but that limits you to only being able to develop for Android and not iOS, which means your app misses out on a massive customerbase, a customerbase that spends a lot on in app purchases. For an app developer that's corporate suicide to only develop for Android.
Now sure there's cloud solutions to run macOS in a cloud environment, but developers mainly use that for testing different hardware configurations. For actual coding and general testing, the actual hardware is the only option.
@@ninsix If you want to develop iOS apps, you gotta pay the licensing fees.
@@victorchen9170 not to mention your app will require app signatures in order to be considered for app review, which requires you guessed it, a Mac
And this is just for software development. I haven’t even touched video editors or musicians who rely a lot on macOS’ low audio latency and/or the Media Engines in the M Series chips that make video encode and exporting blazing fast
PC hardware is just several years ahead of each Mac. They are always behind and it's annoying. I had to build a "Hackintosh" with OLD outdated hardware just to perform a task for software I didn't want to buy a new license for to use it on PC and to do that with modern hardware would of caused it to fail to install or boot. What ever Apple is using for it's latest model is already 6 to 10 years old.
Even if 8GB of Mac RAM is equal to 16GB RAM on normal PC, 200$ for normal 16GB RAM is hella expensive.
That $200 for 8GB of RAM comes with extra courage that encourages the macbook to push itself beyond its limits.